1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Almost Famis podcast today. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 3: Before I get into the Paradise chat, I just want 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 3: to give a shout out to our hotel. We're staying 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: at the Porto Fino Hotel and Marina. At the Portofino 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: Hotel and Marina and Redondo Beach, every moment comes with 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 3: a view from your elegant guest room. 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I am sitting with uh somebody who 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: has been a part of Bachelor in Paradise for how 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: many years? Eight seasons and there's This was season ten, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: so you missed the first two, but you were on 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: one of those seasons. Yeah, so I was on three, 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: and then I was the bartender for four, five, six, seven, eight. 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: Nine and ten. 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: Goodness gracious, uh, I want to just start because eight 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: eight years, eight seasons of anything is a long time. 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: When you show up to paradise, does it feel like 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: home to you? Well, this one didn't because we went 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: to a new location. We went to Costa Rica. I 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: mean we did the first nine seasons in Sallylyta, so 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: that felt like home. I knew that place very well. 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: What was funny is that the audience knows it really 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: well too. And in production we had have all these 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: like code names for things like jungle path or tree 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: house or hobbit hole or boom Boom room, and then 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: it became part of like the lore of Bachelor Nation, 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: like they started picking up on it and using it, 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: which is very funny. So, but this season felt very 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: different because it was in a new location. But like 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: if every season has a theme, the theme of this 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: one was change. Like everything was different, you know. We 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: we moved locations, we brought in the Goldens, and then 42 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, we turn it into a game 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: show with a money element and all these relationship tests, 44 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: and it was just completely different. So to answer your question, no, 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: it felt like doing a completely different show for me. 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: Did you need that? Was that exciting for you? 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, the only constant in life 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 5: is change, and I think that if you're not changing 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 5: and evolving, you're gonna be left behind. The show and 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 5: the ip is and the fans are huge, but I 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 5: think at some point you need to pivot to trying 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 5: different things and seeing what works. And I'll be the 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 5: first to admit, like, some things that we did I 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 5: think were amazing, and like we need to implement going forward, 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 5: and some things I think didn't work as well and 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 5: we need to revert back to like what it was originally. 57 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 5: Like a couple examples, like I knew the audience was 58 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 5: going to be upset with the song being different, and 59 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 5: halfway through the season the song came back. 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: Hell, I want to know because we were I mean, 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: I was very vocal about not liking the song being different. 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: It did feel like Bachelor Nation on at least on 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: social media, was like we we missed the song and 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 3: then it did go back Was that a pivot mid 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: season by production, do you think or was that always 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: the plan? 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: Don't. I have no idea. 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 5: I could be totally wrong, but I assume that's a 69 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 5: note for ABC being like, bring the song back. 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: People are up. I like that they're listening to the audience. 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And that's one thing that I think that a 72 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 5: lot of people in the past have criticized the show 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 5: for is that they don't listen to the audience. It's 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: not the Bachelor we wanted, it's not the Bachelrette we wanted, 75 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 5: And so I think that that was cool. They made 76 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 5: some other tweaks too, Like you know, in the past, 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 5: we would always do credit roll, which is kind of 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 5: like the silly scenes that happened while the credits are rolling, 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 5: and that kind of wasn't there in the beginning, and 80 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: then as season went on, that kind of came back, 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: you know, the intro with like the silly intros kind 82 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: of comes back. And then the things that like veterination 83 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 5: loves were still there, like funny lower thirds, like the chirons, 84 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: you know, like it says someone's name and then it 85 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 5: says like some funny stat or whatever it, you know, 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 5: applies that thing and then I think that you know, 87 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 5: the the challenges, the relationship challenges, albeit like I know 88 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 5: that the cast was annoyed by it and like, this 89 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 5: is not what they signed up for, and that was 90 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 5: kind of like the conversation that was happening during it. 91 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 5: But after going through it and experiencing it and then 92 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 5: seeing how successful the show was, because if the show's 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 5: success is a derivative. 94 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: Of who leaves the leaves the beach. 95 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 5: In a couple, then I think that we had one 96 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 5: of the most successful shows we've had in a very 97 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 5: long time. And I think that the challenges and the 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 5: relationship exercises that we did helped. I think it showed 99 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 5: people who people really were, and that's like the most 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: important thing, you know, because when you're on when you're 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 5: on a first date, you're kind of just showing your 102 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: best self, right, and if you're on a dating show 103 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 5: that's being filmed, you're probably always trying to show your 104 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 5: best self. Understandable, everyone would do it. But if you 105 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 5: get thrown into like a very competitive situation, like your 106 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 5: true colors are going to come out, Like you know, 107 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: the cat learned that Dale's very competitive, but like not 108 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: in a bad way. Just like a thing that probably 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 5: wouldn't have been broached if we did the show the 110 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 5: way we did. 111 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: So I think that. 112 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 5: Yes, it pushed couples to the limit, but then it 113 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 5: also like kind of fused them and bonded them more 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 5: so than it has in the past, and I like, 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 5: I looking back, I think it was a really cool 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 5: pivot that we implemented this year, and I hope like 117 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 5: that continues going forward. 118 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: You mentioned that. 119 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: Really, I mean from the production side to a fan side, 120 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: for a successful season be done, it's really what couples 121 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 3: come together. The money element this year was a huge 122 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: element to be added in. It wasn't something that you 123 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: just mentioned there, and the change that were made, I 124 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: think from a fans perspective, the concern was, well, then 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: love isn't the point here, But if that still is 126 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: the marker of success for the team putting together the show, 127 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: how do you balance those two things where money is 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: at the end, especially going forward, You got I think 129 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: Paradise got lucky this year with two couples that really 130 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: like each other, but if that doesn't always happen, then 131 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 3: it's going to become just a complete game show. 132 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 5: It's never stated, but the truth is the last relationship 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: challenge is the money. It's what are you going to choose? 134 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 5: And if you chose the money, then you failed that 135 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 5: relationship challenge, right, Yeah, And so. 136 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: That's what happened. 137 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: They both didn't Both couples didn't choose the money. They 138 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 5: chose love. And I'm still winning the money, of course. 139 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, like I get it. I understand. 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: I understand fans bocking at the whole thing, and it 141 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 5: takes away kind of the the magic of paradise. But 142 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 5: if we're asking these people to effectively the mission statement 143 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 5: is is that we hope you leave together in the 144 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 5: in the best world possible. You get engaged. For asking 145 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 5: these people to go do this, I do think. And 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: it's not like these people are making a lot of 147 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: money going on the show. Just so everyone knows, fair enough, 148 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 5: you guys need to know that, like, it's not a 149 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: lot of money. 150 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: You're not retiring, you're. 151 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 5: Not even close. You're actually probably screwed because you're not 152 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 5: working while you're there. I don't think it's a terrible 153 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 5: thing to be, like, have we got a couple of 154 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 5: dollars if we're gonna get if we're engaged, you know, 155 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 5: we've got a couple of dollars too, you know, used 156 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 5: to buy a place together, or like move in together, 157 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 5: or maybe it goes to a wedding or something like. 158 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: I don't think that that's a terrible thing. I can, 159 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 5: you know, hindsight twenty twenty for me, And obviously like 160 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 5: it could have gone tear wrong, but it also would 161 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 5: have been scintillating television if someone chose money over love, right. 162 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: Like heartbreaking television, because I really liked the couples that 163 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: ended up together. Yeah, I think the big question now 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: because the changes were drastic, took it a little bit 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: to use to and then very enjoyable to watch experience 166 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: be a part of. And we were all on the 167 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: edge of our seats when it came down to that 168 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: finale episode. 169 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: How do you move forward? 170 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: Though the mystery is now revealed true, you're gonna win 171 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: money if you stay together, and you're gonna win money 172 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: if you break up. So how does the show move 173 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: forward and keep this like gripping television that we all 174 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: experienced this year? 175 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously it'll change. You can't have the same thing again. 176 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: And so it's going to be a situation of we're 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 5: going to pivot. You got to know we're gonna pivot, 178 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 5: but we're not gonna tell you how it's gonna go, right, 179 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 5: But gotta give you my pitch for my show that 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 5: I think would be great. Yeah, okay, and I've by 181 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 5: the way, I've pitched this too. I've pitched this to ABC, Jamie. 182 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 5: I pitched this idea to you. So if you make 183 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 5: this show and I don't get a credit where you're 184 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 5: in trouble. 185 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: Now we're on record, it's good. Uh. I think. 186 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 5: It would be so fun if we did Camp Paradise 187 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 5: or Camp Bachelor, whatever you want to call it. We 188 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 5: rent out a camp, right, and you do it during 189 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 5: school season, so like there's not kids there. You bring 190 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 5: the most popular Bachelor Nation people to camp and they 191 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 5: have to do camp stuff. So it's like a dragon 192 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 5: boat race and canoe race and underwater basket weaving and 193 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 5: like archery and stuff, and everyone has to go sleep 194 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: in different bunks, but you can like sneak out and 195 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 5: go to someone else's bunk and you're doing challenges for money. 196 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 5: But then like with love happens, it's fine. And then 197 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 5: here's where I think it gets great. You can bring 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 5: back a bunch of Bachelor Nation favorites who are married 199 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 5: who can't like go and just like canoodle around at 200 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 5: nine o'clock exactly. So like me and you were, we 201 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 5: have counselors and Jesse is like the leader of this 202 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 5: whole thing, and then they'll be like nights where like 203 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 5: the camp counselors are like, we're going into town to 204 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 5: go to the bar, and then someone gets arrested and 205 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 5: Jesse's got to come and bail us out. I can 206 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 5: see it being so fun. And the thing is that 207 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 5: it's hard to convince a bunch of people who are 208 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: beautiful and you know, don't have a whole lot of 209 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 5: problems in their lives to come to Paradise to potentially 210 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 5: look bad. But if you told any adult you want 211 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: to go to camp, yes I do. 212 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. So anyways, Camp Bachelor is my idea, 213 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: and I think we should do it. 214 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: I actually love the idea because I just said on 215 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: our last episode of the Almost Famous podcast, one of 216 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: my favorite scenes this whole season of Paradise is when 217 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: they had to camp, and I like this was it 218 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: was a great mix. We just got done. You just 219 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: hosted the reunion the finale with everybody did a great job. 220 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: But one of the things that were said, Kat said, 221 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: I went to Paradise because there is air conditioning this year. 222 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 4: That's great. I don't. I think that's a bad thing. 223 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: However, I want to see beautiful people in very uncomfortable situations. 224 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 3: I miss that. I missed that about Paradise. I think 225 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: your idea matches that because that's what was going on 226 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: at the camp. 227 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 4: They were breaking down. 228 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: If you would have left them out there for another hour, 229 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 3: you had pure panic happening at Paradise. Yeah, I liked it. 230 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 3: I would love to watch that. I'd love to be 231 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: a part of that. 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But even with that being said, you 272 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 3: play still such a crucial role in Paradise. These we 273 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: just saw it on stage during the reunion podcast. These 274 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: people trust you. You care about them, You get to 275 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: know their relationships, who they are as people. You're giving 276 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: them advice, you're making them drinks, You're around them a ton. 277 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: It isn't just it's not an easy job. And I 278 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: think that's something I always like to bring up, is 279 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: this is not just like an hour out of your 280 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: day every day for a month. This is you're a 281 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: bartender legitimately in Paradise. I want to for the listeners 282 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: when you enter into a season of Paradise knowing that 283 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: you are working for a month straight, digging into love 284 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: and also making drinks. What kind of mindset do you 285 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: bring into that just as the bartender and not kind 286 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: of the host of the show. Yeah, well, thank you 287 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: for saying that. You know, I've. 288 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: Eight seasons. 289 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 5: I've thought about this a lot, and like, don't get 290 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: me wrong, Yes, I wanted to host Bachelor in Paradise, 291 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 5: but I recognize that I can do something that Jesse 292 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: can't because I'm ingrained in the show, because I'm I'm 293 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: there the entire day, I'm experiencing more of it. The 294 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 5: stakes for me are higher because I'm friends with all 295 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 5: these people. I'm making them drinks. They're you know, they're 296 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 5: they're laying their heart out on the line, and it 297 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 5: allows me to do something that I think Jesse can't do, 298 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 5: which is to be what the audience is thinking, like 299 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: say what the audience is thinking, which they did a 300 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 5: good bit of that this year, where you know, I 301 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: think the audience never wants to feel dumb, and when 302 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 5: it's when it's never vocalized, it gets really frustrating for 303 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 5: Bachelor Nations. So having me there, yes, it's important that 304 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: I make them drinks. And I give them advice. But 305 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: I also think it's important for me, like be in 306 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: the interview chair, like Jesse would never be in the 307 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 5: interview chair, right, but for me to be like, this 308 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: is what's happening. This is crazy and I can't believe it, 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 5: and like I think I'm making crazy bills. Like I 310 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 5: think that's import for the audience because then they're like, Okay, 311 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: he's justifying like what I'm saying now, uh. And I 312 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 5: just don't think that a host can do that. The 313 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 5: host needs to be separated a little bit, you know, 314 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 5: And it sucks. I've seen it every season, and it 315 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 5: happened with Chris and it happens with Jesse. When they 316 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 5: come on the show, the cast knows bad things are 317 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 5: about to happen, right, Like it's oh no, like she's 318 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 5: gonna tell us something that we don't want to do. 319 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: It's but when I come on the show, it's not. 320 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: It's oh yeah, all right, we need some shots, we 321 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: need drinks, you know. 322 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 323 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: So and it's totally two different roles. 324 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 5: And you know, I think you're right, Like it would 325 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 5: be weird to do Paradise, not not me, but someone 326 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 5: like me doing that thing. 327 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: It would be weird to do Paradise without you, and 328 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: you can continue your thought. 329 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: That's my thought. 330 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think other people could do it, but I 331 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: think I think that you can't just do it with 332 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 5: a host. I think you need like someone like me 333 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 5: or Hannah or whatever also being there to like explain 334 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 5: what the hell is going on? 335 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: Now. 336 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 5: When I go to the show, my outset always is 337 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 5: because I always just want everything to be funny, like 338 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 5: that's like my default is like comedy. So my thing 339 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 5: is like, let's just do this as funny as we 340 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 5: humanly possible, right, Like, how can we make this as 341 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 5: funny as humanly possible? And so my thing is always 342 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 5: like to the cast, I'm like, this is a silly show. 343 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: Be silly. 344 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: It's fine. I think the problem is that we get 345 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 5: bogged down in the drama and the serious and you know, 346 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 5: it's the most dramatic season ever. But my favorite parts 347 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 5: of Paradise are always the funny things, right, And so 348 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 5: that's usually what I'm I'm going in being like, I 349 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: hope this is a fun cast. I hope that they 350 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 5: will lean into the comedy because it's you know, it's 351 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: supposed to open. It's a comedy it used to, especially 352 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 5: you know, with the silly intros and stuff, and so 353 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 5: that's usually my mindset going in. And I think this 354 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 5: cast did a good job of like embracing it, and 355 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 5: and I think production did a good job of making 356 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 5: it still funny. So yeah, that's my thought when I 357 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 5: come into the show. 358 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: You think the Goldens helped? 359 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean, that's obviously a big changes season is we 360 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: entered Goldens into the mix. It was teased by you 361 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: and Jesse once that was announced that who knows what's 362 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: going to happen with the Goldens, and everybody's speculating, like 363 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: you know, Youngins and Golden's intermingling and having relationships that 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: really never happened. But the Goldens did come to the 365 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: beach this season. It was a change. What were your thoughts. 366 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 5: I was skeptical coming in one. I'm like, I don't know, 367 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 5: I'm not sure how safe it is to have a 368 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: bunch of elderly people in like three hundred degree heat 369 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 5: and I'm serving them my ties kill somebody. But I 370 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 5: gotta be honest with you, they brought so much energy. 371 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 5: I said it during the finale reunion show that we 372 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 5: just did like, thank God, they were there. They injected 373 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 5: that place with so much energy, and it's because they 374 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 5: don't give a like they've lived their life like they're 375 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 5: not trying to impress anyone on TV. Their parents are 376 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 5: gone and you know grandparents. No one's judging what they 377 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: do on the show. So it gave them this ability 378 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 5: to be very, very free, which I think a lot 379 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 5: of the cast wished they could be more like the Goldens, 380 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 5: you know, and I wish they could be too, because 381 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 5: they just came in there being like, this is the 382 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: greatest thing in the world. 383 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 4: I'm on vacation. Drinks are free, you know. 384 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 5: Like they weren't like, oh I'm gonna look bad or 385 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 5: like the drama. They were just having the best time. 386 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 5: And so they raised the vibes of that place so 387 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 5: many decibels that was. It was insane. And now I 388 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 5: can't imagine doing the show without them. I wonder if 389 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 5: they should get their own show. I don't hate that 390 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 5: we run into a problem with like logistics of like 391 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 5: how many things can we shoot in one year? But 392 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 5: I think it would be fun to do the show 393 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 5: and then for all the audiences. I was like, this, 394 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 5: we gross if like an old a Golden Dates a 395 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 5: young or whatever. If this whole thing is supposed to 396 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 5: be a microcos of the real world, this is basically 397 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: a singles retreat. I don't think that there are rules 398 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 5: for how old you have to be to go to 399 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: a singles retreat and it happens every day. Of course, 400 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 5: it wasn't going to happen on TV, but like we 401 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 5: had to tease it that way, right, like we're out 402 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 5: here making a TV show. 403 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I have a thought it could be completely 404 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: irrelevant and not true. One of the other things I 405 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: liked about the Goldens being there was when the money 406 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: was announced. In my mind, I'm thinking most of these 407 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: people at this point are retired, and they're retired for 408 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 3: a reason because they've you know, secured their egg. I 409 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: don't know if five hundred thousand as good as that 410 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: would be to be handed five hundred thousand dollars at 411 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: seventy five years old, I don't know if that's that 412 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: intriguing to them. They've kind of already kind of counted 413 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: what they're going to spend for the rest of their life, 414 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: so it did take that out of it too. In 415 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: my mind, Like, I don't know if Keith is up there, like, goodness, gracious, 416 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: I need that five hundred thousand, and he knows what 417 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: his situation is in Yeah, but I'm expecting that he's 418 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: he's not really counting on it. 419 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 420 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 5: They also worked in a romantic relationship Keith and Cathy, So, 421 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 5: you know, I think I wonder what would would have 422 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 5: happened if there was a really really strong connection with 423 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 5: Golden's at the end, Because if the barometer was like 424 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 5: who's really here for love and who isn't, which is 425 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 5: kind of what everyone was kind of getting at, then 426 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: you couldn't say that they don't deserve it just because 427 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 5: they're retired and they have a nest egg and they've 428 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 5: you know, got Medicare and Medicaid and everything. They've also 429 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 5: got kids too that probably, you know, could use a 430 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 5: couple extra dollars. 431 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think you could make the argument. 432 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 5: I think it'd also be cool if you get all 433 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 5: the way to the end and then you don't take it, 434 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: or you give it to another company. There's a million 435 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 5: ways that it could be a cool ending. So I 436 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 5: don't know, we'll see, we'll see what happens. I think 437 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 5: it would be cool. The problem that we ran into 438 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: is there isn't enough pool of Golden yet to really 439 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 5: get a lot of people there for it to work. 440 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 5: A lot of people were like, why are they coming 441 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: in later? Wise the lesson there's just not a lot 442 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 5: of them the show. That show's only going on for 443 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: a couple of seasons. I think as that show continues 444 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 5: to grow and that part of Bachelor Nation grows, then 445 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 5: it'll be much easier for us to pair people up 446 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 5: and for there to be like really good lasting relationships there. 447 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: I think Nancy would come back to the show for 448 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: the next ten years if she was asked, yes, she 449 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: would love to be in Paradise. 450 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 6: Sude. 451 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: Nancy was awesome. 452 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: I know, you guys are both from Warsaw so, like 453 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 5: we talked a lot about Indiana. Kathy also, Kathy's great, 454 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 5: Like she needed you need a good narrator every season, 455 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 5: and she's fantastic. You know, Faith was fantastic, Leslie is 456 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 5: super sweet. And then all the guys like, I mean, 457 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 5: I've said it. I said it the open of the 458 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 5: of the finale reunion show. I think Keith should be 459 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 5: the Golden Batch. I mean, and it's like I love 460 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: that guy. I love being around him and the other 461 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 5: thing I was saying I was saying it to a producer. 462 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 5: I was like, if my mom met him, yeah, I'd 463 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 5: be so pumped. 464 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just like he is that guy. 465 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the most lovely dude in the world. And like, 466 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 5: as kids, all you want is for like your parents 467 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 5: to find someone that's like awesome and fun pun to 468 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 5: be around. So anyways, that's my pitch for Keith. I 469 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: think that he would be the best Golden Bachelor in 470 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 5: the world. 471 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 3: It's actually kind of shocking he isn't the Golden Bachelor 472 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: coming up. 473 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be talked about. 474 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: I think actually we're going to see people as this 475 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: next season airs and Keith kind of has his moment, 476 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: especially with who he was even during this reunion show 477 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: with you, and they're gonna. 478 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 4: Go, that's that's my guy. 479 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: Well, to be fair, though, it was an impossibility they 480 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 5: had to cast that show before we even did Paradise, 481 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: so like you can't say, like sure, but it still. 482 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: Was a wish that I think all of us. I 483 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 4: do too. But also, there's always next season. There's always 484 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 4: next season. 485 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: With Pinkberry, it is love at first swirl big thanks 486 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: to Pinkberry, who has been serving up some delicious frozen 487 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: yogurt treats today where every flavor, whether it's original Tart, pomegranate, 488 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 3: or their new white mocha is truly is a front runner, 489 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: and the only drama is choosing between your favorite premium toppings, 490 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: whether you're here for love or let's be real, just 491 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: the froyo. Pinkberry's got your happily ever after. Find a 492 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: location near you, or order online at pinkberry dot com. 493 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: A couple of the situation that happened that you did 494 00:24:53,280 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: speak truth into. We'll start with the Jeremy Brian Parisa 495 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: Bailey situation. You have a moment where you come on 496 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: and you say, I feel like I've been taking crazy 497 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: pills because everybody's mad at Brian, and I'm seeing this. 498 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: Situation as. 499 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: Not that clear, Like I think maybe Jeremy could have 500 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: been more in the wrong than what people are leading on. 501 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: How did you get that read? How close were you 502 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 3: to the situation? And then how do you formulate your 503 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: thoughts without being like ingrained in because it felt like 504 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: the whole cast was on one side and you are 505 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: the person speaking into the viewership being like if you're 506 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: thinking this way, You're not wrong. 507 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: A lot of people that moment like resonated with a 508 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: lot of Bache Nation fans and for the most part 509 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: overwhelmingly agreed with what I had to say. And one 510 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 5: of the big like kind of hits on me was like, 511 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 5: why didn't you tell the cast this is how you felt? 512 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 5: And if for being fair I did, I told, And 513 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 5: I won't name cast names, but I I was like, 514 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 5: this is gonna look so bad, it's gonna look really 515 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 5: messed up. And if I'm hearing about this, I can't 516 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 5: say anything because that would be I would be overstepping 517 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 5: my bounds. But like, if I've heard about this, that 518 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 5: means everyone knows about it except for the one person 519 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: that it's about. Like, that's messed up. You need to 520 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 5: do something. You're gonna look like the girls like not 521 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 5: girls girls, And for the guys, you're gonna look like 522 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 5: guys who are defending someone who did. 523 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: Something kind of shady. Yeah. 524 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I stand by what I said. 525 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 5: And for me, like at the end of the day, 526 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 5: like I'm just out there trying to call balls and strikes, right, 527 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 5: and like that was. 528 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: A huge, huge ball. 529 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, I like Jeremy a lot. I can't 530 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 5: believe that that man thought it was a good idea 531 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 5: in an interview on camera to call her like, that's 532 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 5: wild to me. But listen, it was early the girl 533 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 5: he was dating on a date with, not someone else, Like, 534 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that like, there's context to it, 535 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 5: but that was a wild situation. 536 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: It was wells again, you made Paradise better this year. 537 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: You always have you and I can and I believe 538 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: that you always will. 539 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: Again. 540 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: No hit on Jesse, I just I don't want to 541 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: watch Paradise without you being there. I think you bring 542 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: so much depth and comedy and humor and wisdom to 543 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: the show, switching gears completely here in the last couple 544 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: of minutes I have with you, obviously we did just 545 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: get done. You just finished the reunion episode that will 546 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: be airing on Bachelor Happy Hour, a friendly podcast to 547 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: us here at the Almost Famous Podcast. You did a 548 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: great job, so tune in to get all the drama. 549 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna be breaking down kind of getting into more 550 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: details with each couple here at the Almost Famous Podcast 551 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: in just a few minutes. But I wanted to grab 552 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: you to talk about a few things that you have 553 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: going on. You have a new podcast, in addition to 554 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: the Vanity Index podcast, which I'm a subscriber and listener 555 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: to thank you, You have a new podcast with iHeart 556 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: called by Order of the Faithfuls. Yep, so rewatch and 557 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: break down podcasts of the Traders. You were on the 558 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 3: Traders for not as long as we wanted to see 559 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 3: you on the Traders, but you got a podcast out 560 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: of this, so goodness, gracious, you're winning wells tell us 561 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 3: about it. 562 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically we're watching the first couple seasons. It's 563 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 5: myself and Dolores, who was the winner of season three 564 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 5: of Traders, and Tamra who was on season two of Traders. 565 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 5: So it's two housewives and then this idiot and it's 566 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 5: us watching the first three seasons of Traders back with 567 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 5: the audience breaking it down, having people who are on 568 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 5: the show on the show talking about. 569 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 2: You know, everyone's. 570 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 5: How they're going about doing the show and whether or 571 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 5: not they're doing a good job as being a Faithful 572 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 5: or a Trader and all that kind of stuff, and 573 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 5: then you know, obviously a vent truly. I think early 574 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 5: next year season four will be airing, and then we'll 575 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 5: be watching it in real time with the audience, having 576 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: cast members on the show and continuing that. So, yeah, 577 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: if you're a fan of The Traders, which it seems 578 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 5: like the entire world is, it's a huge show on 579 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 5: Peacock and NBC, that you should listen. 580 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 4: To that show. 581 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: It's obviously a massive show. And I just wish you 582 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: would have been there longer because I was watching it 583 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: for I was prepared to watch it for a full season. 584 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: I watched it for I think one episode. Another thing 585 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: you have going on is it was just announced that 586 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: The Bachelor is hosting a crazy cool event that you're 587 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: going to be hosting or co hosting. It's called the 588 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: Bachelor Nation Vacation. At C it was announcing the finale. 589 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: There's going to be some great Bacheloration alum there, Why 590 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: would a listener to the podcast, a fan of Bacheloration 591 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: want to. 592 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: Come on this ship? What are you going to be 593 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: do doing there? Tell us more? 594 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 5: Well, I just gotta say I'm impressed that ABC or 595 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 5: Warner or whoever's putting this on was able to get 596 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 5: all these names, because like the fact that Jesse's come 597 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: on a cruise ship is blowing my mind. So I mean, 598 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 5: it's all the big thing. 599 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: He is a week freeze. I know that man needs 600 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: to chill out. 601 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I love Jesse so much, so yeah, you know, 602 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: Jesse's going to be there. I'm going to be there, 603 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 5: Hannah's going to be there, and then like Tyler Cameron 604 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 5: and like a lot Joey and Kelsey and Kelsey and yeah, 605 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 5: like it's amazing how many people they've got to come 606 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: on this boat. And then I think more names are 607 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 5: going to be released later. So if you're a fan 608 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 5: of veter Nation, like this is gonna be your opportunity 609 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: to like literally be stuck on a boat with all 610 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: these people. 611 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 4: So you're gonna get sick. 612 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I assume my job is they're going to 613 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 5: make me bartend one night. I don't know, but I'll 614 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 5: sling some drinks on a cruise of Alito deck and 615 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 5: hang out with all the bachel Nation stands. 616 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 4: Again, It's Bachelor Nation vacation. 617 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: At c dot com, we have a podcast out with 618 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: a representative from the cruise ship talking about all the details, 619 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: all the fun activities, all the things going to be 620 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: going on that you can listen on the almost famous 621 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: thread too well as in closing. It's been a big week, 622 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: a week and a half for you. That's almost famous podcasts. 623 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: You want to say congratulations not only to another successful 624 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: season of Paradise. You crushed it and it's just such 625 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: a pleasure to be a fan of you and watch that, 626 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: but also congratulations to you and Sarah on three years together. 627 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: You celebrated your three year anniversary. I'll give you the mic. 628 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 3: We just had two very successful couples come out of Paradise, 629 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: Spencer and Jess and Alex and Andrew. Any advice for 630 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: them after being married for three years? 631 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: Oh, Elope, I loved your wedding. I know my accountant 632 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 5: didn't love that. Yeah, go to France with ten of 633 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 5: your best friends. Save all that money you're going to 634 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 5: use for the wedding and put it towards the house. 635 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 5: My father in law gave me the best piece of advice, 636 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 5: and all you need for a successful marriage is to 637 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 5: remember two words, and that's yes, dear, so yes, dear. 638 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 639 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 5: And I will say that a little behind the scenes. 640 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 5: I'm not there at the end of Paradise and the 641 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 5: reason why I'm not well, I am, but here's the 642 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 5: behind the scenes. I had to leave early because I 643 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: went on a golf trip with Ben Higgins and I 644 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 5: really hard to tell production, Hey, I gotta leave early 645 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 5: go play golf. So I left a day early, so 646 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 5: I wasn't there for like the end of the show. 647 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 4: But I'm appreciative of that. 648 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I was nervous that I was I 649 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 5: get paid episodically, and I was nervous I wasn't even 650 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 5: get paid for that episode. 651 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 4: But it was worth it. 652 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 5: But then lo and behold, I'm watching the last episode 653 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 5: and if you watch, the cast is at the bar, 654 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: and then it'll show like clips of me. I am 655 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 5: not there, but they wanted to make it seem like 656 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 5: I was there, you know. So then all of a 657 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 5: sudden you'll see like a background shot and it's like 658 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 5: the other guy who's like been barred to I felt. 659 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: Guilty about this for about four months that I but 660 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: we're good. 661 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: Were totally good. I want I'm in this show on 662 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: the front end. 663 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 5: But at the end I think they were like, it'd 664 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 5: be weird if Welles isn't there anymore for like this 665 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 5: last thing. So like they just had shots with me, 666 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 5: like cleaning a glass. 667 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 4: There we go. We made it. Yeah, Wells was nice 668 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: enough to be a good friend. Oh that was the. 669 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 3: Best trip, and we got a we got one coming up. 670 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: We got a good trip in two weeks coming up. 671 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: Wasn't I play a lot of golf together? Wells, thanks 672 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: for joining us today, Thanks for sitting down. I know 673 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: it's been a big day for you. You just literally 674 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 3: herded sixteen cats and pocket on a podcast, and you 675 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: did a successful I was sitting in the back with 676 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: some of the bosses and they were just like beaming. 677 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 3: You crushed it. You did it. It's worth to listen again. 678 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 3: It's going to be coming out there on the Bachelor 679 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 3: Happy Hour podcast, but don't listen to it too long 680 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: because we have all the couple sitting down with us 681 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: here at the Almost Famous podcast coming up. So until 682 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 3: next time, I've Been Been, I've Been Ashley. 683 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 684 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.