1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: It's it's like can happen here? It's the podcast sometimes 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: hosted by me and Mia Wong. 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: It is. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I guess this is a combination things falling apart putting 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: things back together. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 3: Episode. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: We are doing some more coverage of the US's the 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: sort of epidemic of mass evictions. But yeah, so with 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: me to talk about this is Max Is, one of 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: the organizers and co founders of Santa Barbara Tendant's Union, 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and Sam Sapiazi, who's another tenant and a member of 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: the union. 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: You two, Yeah, welcome to the show. 14 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 4: Hi, I thank you. 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I guess we should start with talking about 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: the specific mass eviction that is happening, which has been 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: caused by a terrifying and unfortunate product of my hometown Chicago, 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: a very large company called core Spaces, who have incredibly 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: suspicious branded for the fact that they're a giant landlord company. 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: I think guys bought your building and is attempting to 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: evict everyone. 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 5: Is this Yeah, Yeah, So Core Spaces out of Chicago 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 5: and I believe Austin, Texas have purchased r for building 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 5: apartment complex approximately two hundred and forty three units. 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: I believe over a thousand people. 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just immediately. Yeah, So I guess this 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: is one of the other things we should we should 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about first. Is this this thing that landlords do 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: where they either buy buy a property, or they have 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: a property, then they're like, oh, hey, we're doing renovations 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: on it, so we're evicting everyone, and then you don't 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: let anyone ever come back because you're you know, your 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote renovation. You're just a way to do a 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: price hike, which seems to be what's happening here. 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 6: And renoviction it's a nice it's a nice term for that, right, renoviction. 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 6: It's you're renovating to evict, just to if listeners are 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 6: aware of that term. 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if I'm understanding their plan, right, 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to basically turn this into luxury student housing. 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we presume. That's kind of their business model, 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 5: is to buy up housing in college towns and do 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 5: some renovations and then hike up the rent drastically. 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's definitely a thing that happened. 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: There's a lot of colleges in Chicago, which I don't 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: know presumably really people know that on a sort of 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: abstract level, but this is the thing that happens basically 49 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: everywhere there are colleges. 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've actually talked to other. 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Like grad student organizers about this stuff too, because it 52 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: winds up sort of affecting everyone at all sides. Yeah, 53 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: so I guess, Okay, so facing this eviction, I guess 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about how y'all started organizing against it. 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 5: We got our original notices on March sixteenth. We had previously, 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: I want to say it was like December or January, 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 5: we had gotten noticed that some people will be coming 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 5: through our apartments investors to look at it, and I 59 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 5: like took pictures of my bathroom and my kitchen. It 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 5: was superward, and so we kind of, I think a 61 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 5: lot of us knew at that point like, okay, something's 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 5: going on, right obviously. And then March, I want to 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 5: say it was March fifteenth or sixteenth, we got a 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 5: notice that the building was sold from Essex to Core Spaces. 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 5: And then it was the day after that we got 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: a notice that said, oh, hey, you're all getting evicted 67 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: because we got to do renovations. I kind of expected 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: it to be honest, because I've seen what Blackstone has done. Yeah, 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 5: and I had just heard about it from a lot 70 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 5: of properties or also tenants like in LA friends that 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 5: I had. 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: Other college students that had had this happen to them. 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 5: But after that, basically, I mean, I don't want to 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 5: speak for everyone but my own personal Like what I did. 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 5: I just kind of went on Reddit and was like, Hey, 76 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 5: this really awful thing is happening. 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: You know. 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: I went on the u CSB reddit page, this really 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: awful thing is happening. 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: There's like a lot of families that live here. There's 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: so many Section eight disabled people, elderly. 82 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 5: And students, but our complex is a little different and 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 5: that it does have of more of the marginalized groups. 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 5: And I went on Reddit and was like, dude, this 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 5: is this is awful, Like just yeah. So I made 86 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: a post saying this sucks, and from there I was 87 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 5: referenced to contact Santa Barbara Sunion, which I was like 88 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: kind of hesitant at first because I was like, oh, 89 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: what are they going to do? 90 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I thought it. 91 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: You know, it's like one of those resources you get 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: where you're just like, are they actually going to do 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 5: anything or is this just for me to like waste 94 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: my time with. But I reached out and I got, 95 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: you know, a response back within hours and they're like, yes, 96 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 5: here's a flyer for you. We are we have your back, 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: We're going to do this, we will support you. And 98 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 5: so from there, I want to say, it was within 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 5: a day or two, we went flying door to door. 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 5: And remember it's it's two hundred and like I said, 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 5: I think it's roughly two hundred and sixteen. Yeah, it's 102 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 5: it's it's a lot of it's a lot of units 103 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: to knock doors on. I know one of our county representatives, 104 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 5: Laura Capps, called it the largest eviction in California history, 105 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: and I've heard others say at the largest. 106 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 4: Eviction in the United States history. 107 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if that's uh what they're 108 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 5: basing that off of. But it's a gigantic affection. There 109 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 5: are many people here. But yeah, so from there, I 110 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 5: just went like door to door knocking. I knew none 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 5: of my neighbors. I am a hermit. 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 4: I stay in my apartment. 113 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 5: I keep my curtains closed. I'm like, but the only 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: contact other like my neighbors make are with my cats. 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 5: Just chilling in the windows and stuff. 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, to be fair neighbor with cat 117 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: in the windows not the worst rep you can have. 118 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, true. But even even then, I yeah, 119 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 4: I didn't even want my cats in the windows. I was. 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: I was very very antisocial. I still am. 121 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 5: But I have opened my mind quite a bit and 122 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 5: come out of my shell a little bit. But that's irrelevant. 123 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 5: From there. Like I said, we went flying. We went 124 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: door to door. We found other people that were like, oh, yeah, 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 5: this is super messed up, like we need to fight this. 126 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 5: And we by just going door to door telling people, hey, 127 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: we can fight this eviction. These eviction notices aren't super 128 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: valid anyway, we were able to get a gigantic group 129 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 5: of our neighbors together. Yeah yeah, and it kind of 130 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 5: moved from there. I don't know how much further I 131 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 5: should explain. There's such a long timeline of the things 132 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 5: that have happened in. 133 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: The past two months, so I don't know where you 134 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: want me to go. 135 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: From there, But you know, that's at least the beginning 136 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: of it was just you know, us flying, going door 137 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: to door, getting everyone together, getting everyone in a group 138 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 5: chat and then SBTU truly supporting us and telling us, hey, 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 5: here's the next steps that you need to do. This 140 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: is how you become you know, a union, a tennis 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: association for your for yourselves right with their full on support. 142 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: Okay, so there is one thing I wanted to sort 143 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: of talk about a little bit before you move. 144 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: On, which is, Yeah, can you explain what Section eight 145 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: is for listeners who don't know. 146 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 5: I can explain it based off my knowledge. I'm not 147 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: currently on Section eight, but I know that resident many 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 5: residents here are on Section eight, which I probably couldn't 149 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 5: give the best description of it personally, but I know 150 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 5: a lot of times it's people that are very little 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: income or disabled individuals, people that can't work for various reasons, 152 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 5: get low income housing, meaning they pay maybe I know 153 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 5: some of our residents, for example, pay like they get 154 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 5: Section eight vouchers that will pay about twenty five twenty 155 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 5: six hundred dollars for their rent and their utilities, and 156 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: then maybe they pay one hundred or two hundred because 157 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 5: they're unable to get that income otherwise. 158 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 4: But Max might be able to describe it a little 159 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 4: bit better than me. 160 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: Well, that sounds about right. 161 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 6: I grew up on Section eight with like a single 162 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 6: mom and stuff and she yeah, I mean it's just 163 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 6: subsidized housing. It's basically it's what public housing or in 164 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 6: some countries social housing would be. 165 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: But in like the eighties, like the Reagan. 166 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 6: Era like gutted all public housing, and so the concession 167 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 6: was it's a voucher based system for the poor, like 168 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 6: for the over low income people. So yeah, it's just 169 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 6: the government will pay a portion of it. Some said 170 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 6: it pretty big. 171 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: I think yeah, And. 172 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like I guess that this is 173 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: a sort of Yeah, an interesting thing about your building 174 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: is that there's a very there's a very wide range 175 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: of like sort of different backgrounds of people who are involved. 176 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: I was wondering, you know, we can talk a little 177 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: bit about like what that's been like. 178 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so. 179 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 5: I guess I could say we have four buildings, So 180 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: we have so it's CBC and the SWEEPS, so it 181 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 5: stands for Colonial Balboa Cortes Sweeps. The SWEEPS has a 182 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: lot of students because it rents by the bed, but 183 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 5: CBC has a of families and as we mentioned, you know, 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: Section eight and lower income. I want to say I 185 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 5: had heard from another representative like a county representative. 186 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: This is I think it might have been more caps. 187 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 5: Don't quote me on this, but that this is like 188 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 5: the lowest one of the lowest income housing apartments in. 189 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: Ila Vista, And so. 190 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 5: There's a ton of like large families. When when this happened, 191 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 5: you just people were just crying everywhere, like they didn't 192 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 5: know what to do. 193 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 6: This building is it's not unlike a lot of buildings 194 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 6: where you have a pretty diverse kind of I guess 195 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 6: just class composition. And I'm just like, so, so you know, 196 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 6: if you think there's disabled people that have caseworkers. 197 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: You have monolingual Spanish speaking immigrants. 198 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 6: You have students, and you have some students who are 199 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 6: sort of like city college students that are working full 200 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 6: time or part time and their full time students, so 201 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 6: they're sort of worker students. There's like full time UCSB 202 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 6: students whose like parents may be totally loaded or whatever. 203 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 6: You have you know, often an immigrant and low income 204 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 6: family families. You have like way more people packed into 205 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 6: like a one or two bedroom than you would want, 206 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 6: but it's the only way for you to make rent 207 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 6: because rent keeps. 208 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: Going up every year. 209 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 6: So uh so there's a lot of that, and so 210 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 6: I guess I'll just speak to I mean, I've only 211 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 6: you know, I've run into it a bit, like I'm 212 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 6: in the group chats and I've been I've been to 213 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 6: the building like a few times, but I'm not like 214 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 6: there every day and I'm not like flying every day 215 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 6: and stuff like Sam is living there. 216 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: But like one common kind of like difficult. 217 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 6: It's like it's it's a beautiful thing, and it's a 218 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 6: difficulty in that like there's so we need interpreters. And 219 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 6: like in sbtwo we have where we're a sort of 220 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 6: self funded autonomous tenets union, which means we don't get 221 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: grants from like wealthy foundations or government, government entities. 222 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: Whatever, so we can kind of more dependently make decisions. 223 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: So but we have like a fair amount of dues 224 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 6: money now just from the mass membership that we have 225 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 6: kind of built, and so we can afford to pay 226 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 6: interpreters to come out basically whenever we need. 227 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: So there's been interpreters. 228 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 6: There at almost every one of the Saturday meetings, and 229 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 6: without that it would it would actually just be impossible, 230 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 6: I mean not like so that's like when there's a 231 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 6: language barrier, right, that makes it hard to organize or 232 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 6: it wouldn't be impossible. There's there's a handful of like 233 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 6: bilingual people, but they're usually super busy. It's if if 234 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 6: one of them doesn't show up, or if the child 235 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 6: of a parent, like a teenager of a parent isn't 236 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 6: there or whatever, right, like, how do. 237 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 2: You actually get the info across? 238 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 6: So I'll just speak to lastly on that that it 239 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 6: is like it's a really kind of frustrating, sad situation 240 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 6: and we could probably elaborate on this in that like. 241 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: The whether it's the lawyers right now. 242 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: Who have been hired by by course Bass, which they're 243 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 6: a snaky, slimy piece of shit, evil firm. They're called 244 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 6: Tyne Taylor, Fox Howard l P. Just if you see 245 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 6: any of them on the street, just give them dry looks, 246 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 6: don't do anything violence use that against me at some 247 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 6: point in the inevitable thing that's probably gonna happen. But 248 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 6: but whether it's them with the landlords directly, there's there's 249 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 6: always a you know, this is happens in labor organizing. 250 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: It's a divide and conquer strategy. 251 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 6: So they want to spread misinformation amongst the Latinos or 252 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 6: amongst you know, amongst the families, amongst the disabled, like 253 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 6: whoever they can sort of get an ear to, they're 254 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 6: going to give them certain kinds of information to make 255 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 6: them really afraid. They're going to tell them lies, and 256 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 6: and they're going to get people to try to self evict. 257 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 6: So I'm i am jumping a little bit ahead, but 258 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 6: like that that definitely has been like a challenge in that, 259 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,479 Speaker 6: you know, if there was like a totally like linguistically 260 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 6: culturally monolithic group of a thousand people, that would probably 261 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 6: be a little bit easier to keep things like totally unified. 262 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 6: But those those demographic different differences do present some challenges 263 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 6: for sure. 264 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes it, That makes sense. 265 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean we've talked to a couple of other kinds 266 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: of associations that have had to actually well, i mean 267 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: this one's actually as like you know, and back when 268 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I was doing tennis to organizing too, like I've I've 269 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I've I've seen I've seen worse in terms of like 270 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: like in terms in terms of like the number of languages. 271 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: But it's still like never like an enormously easy thing 272 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: to sort of have to bridge, like just having to 273 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: bridge linguistic divides too. Especially when you're getting information like 274 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: misinformation different languages is a whole thing. I could I 275 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: could talk for like seven hours about the effects this 276 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: has had on like Asian American communities, like Chinese American 277 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: communities particular. Yeah, but instead of doing that, we're gonna 278 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: we have to take an ad break. 279 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: We'll be back after whatever. Incomprehensible ads are playing. 280 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 6: Okay, cool, great ads. Bye by the stuff on the ads, 281 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: and we're back. 282 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: I hope the ads were short. 283 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 6: I don't know, there are some great ads. 284 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy that thing whatever. 285 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: The Raking coins again or like one of the casinos. 286 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so I guess. 287 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well just okay, Having having having done 288 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a thematic jump, I will now go back to chronological jumps, 289 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: which is okay. So you have you're starting this organizing 290 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: what what starts to happen after you're starting to get 291 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: people together and you have the tenants, the center, our 292 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: patency need involved. 293 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 294 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 5: So it started from flying getting everyone just like a 295 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: basic letting them know that they don't have to move, 296 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 5: that this eviction is this eviction is bullshit right. 297 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 6: Oh, by the way, we didn't we were never giving 298 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 6: legal advice that people shouldn't move. It was if you 299 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,479 Speaker 6: don't want to, you don't have to because there's certain illegitimacies, 300 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 6: just because I know that the slimy piece of human 301 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 6: fucking garbage fire trash lawyers are going to be listening 302 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 6: to this and trying to use us again, use it 303 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 6: against us away, Sorry, go. 304 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: Ahead, Yeah, no, thank you for the correction. 305 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: That is entirely Yeah, they don't have to if they 306 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 5: don't do basically. But yeah, So after we did the 307 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 5: flying we Santa our attendants unions set us up with 308 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 5: some group chats and we just worked together. 309 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 4: From there. 310 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: We just started talking to one another, and I think 311 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 5: it was it was a new situation for most of us. 312 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 5: A lot of I mentioned this before, but a lot 313 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: of us didn't talk to each other before. We didn't 314 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: go out of our apartments, which I think is kind 315 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 5: of normal nowadays. It's not like you know the sixties, 316 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 5: where like, oh, everyone has a house and knows the 317 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 5: neighbors and stuff. No, people kind of keep to themselves, 318 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 5: especially in really large apartment complexes. So yeah, we we 319 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 5: just started going in the group chat and then someone 320 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 5: was like, hey, I can do this. Another person was hey, 321 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 5: I can do this, And then eventually we set up 322 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 5: a group meeting where we could all come together and 323 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: basically share our our feelings, our emotions, our pain about this, 324 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 5: but also find a way to fight against it. So 325 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 5: what we learned was, which we fully learned from the 326 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 5: center of our Attendants Union, was oh, if we go 327 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 5: in front of the county board, we can convince them, 328 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 5: we can share our stories, we can share our pain, 329 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 5: and we can tell them, hey, we need the law 330 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 5: to change, we can pass something, we can. 331 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 4: Use our voices to stop this from not. 332 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 5: Only happening to us but future residents. So so from 333 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 5: there it was really in the early stages. We I 334 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 5: don't know if this is jumping ahead. Honestly, my brain 335 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: is a little foggrant. There's so much that's happened so quickly, 336 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 5: But I do know the next biggest step was us 337 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 5: coming in front of the of the Santa Barbara County 338 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 5: Supervisors Board of Supervisors and telling our stories and sharing that. 339 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: I think Max could probably also share a little bit. 340 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have so Like the dates in my head 341 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 6: are like, you know, the March fifteenth they bought the building. 342 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 6: March sixteenth, they issued the notices, and then April sixth, 343 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 6: which is like three weeks from that, they passed the 344 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 6: new law. So that means I mean that's like three yeah, 345 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 6: a three week period from the notices to like having 346 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: I think at least a couple of meetings with like 347 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 6: dozens of people I don't know, thirty to fifty plus 348 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 6: people there, and then like forming you know, deciding to 349 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 6: form the association and voting to call I don't remember 350 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 6: exactly if the vote to call it course basis the 351 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 6: association was before that the county meeting or after. 352 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: But and then they're also because there's there's also. 353 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 6: Two like pretty crazy facts here too, where like about 354 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 6: so six weeks before, of course BACES announced a new ownership, 355 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 6: all of us in SBTU had sort of we heard 356 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 6: so many stories on the Santa Barbara City level, and 357 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 6: Santa Barbara City is not the county, right, the county 358 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 6: is like this larger geographical entity, and Santa Barbara City 359 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 6: is within the county. 360 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: On the city level, we've been hearing so many. 361 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 6: Really terrible stories about people being renevicted, and we just 362 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 6: decided to kind of like throw people at like yo, 363 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 6: go to go to public comment tell the city about 364 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 6: what they're doing, tell them they need to pass a 365 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 6: ban on renovictions. We had like a big rally in 366 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 6: front of city council, and we were just going week 367 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 6: after week, and after about six weeks of this, like 368 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 6: four to six weeks, I forget the exact timeline we 369 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 6: got the city to pass. It wasn't a ban on renovictions, 370 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: but it was an amendment to their what's called their 371 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 6: Just Cause Ordinance, which makes it a lot harder for 372 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 6: landlords to renevict and that now that they have to 373 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 6: get permits first, they have to have to put the 374 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 6: permits in the renoviction notices when they're to do it, 375 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 6: they need to there's some language that says that it 376 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 6: needs to be done in good faith, which which is 377 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 6: like really subtle but potentially really important because if your 378 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 6: reason is that you just want to trigger what's called 379 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 6: vacancy de control, which is like kicking people out so 380 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 6: you can jack the rent over the ten percent limit 381 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 6: in California, like like right now, a landlord can raise 382 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 6: the rent about ten percent every year if just just 383 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 6: because they want to. But if you can get people 384 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 6: out of the unit, you can raise it to whatever 385 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 6: you want so on the city level, it was just 386 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 6: it was a really big deal. 387 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: We had just won it, and we were like pretty 388 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: exhausted from it. 389 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 6: We're like, shit, that was a lot of work and 390 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 6: we won really quickly, and everybody around us that's been 391 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 6: doing stuff for a while was like, we don't know 392 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 6: how you guys. 393 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: Did that shit so fast. That was really amazing. 394 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 6: And then like I think it was like the week, 395 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 6: like within a couple of days of us like celebrating 396 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 6: that win. Course spaces the core spaces thing, Yeah this 397 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 6: is but this is county jurisdiction. So we were like, okay, 398 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: I guess we got to go from city to county. 399 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: We got to get to the county to do the 400 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 6: same fucking thing. So we were already really fucking exhausted, 401 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 6: like we were. There was like a sprint sprint, sprint 402 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 6: sprint like every week. So the reason I'm bringing this 403 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 6: up is it just felt like natural for us to 404 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 6: just like and we don't like tell people what to do, 405 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 6: like not to not like correcting you, Sam, but when 406 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 6: it's like okay, do this, do this, do this, it's 407 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 6: sort of like we ourselves are just tenants. 408 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: We're not paid staff. 409 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 6: We're not like highly trained like nonprofit staffers or something 410 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 6: like that that I think we know everything. We're just 411 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: tenants ourselves that are in the struggle just like everyone else, 412 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 6: and we're trying to gain information, share information, and become 413 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 6: collectively smarter and more experience and better at handling. 414 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: This shit together. 415 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 6: And so we were like, hey, we just won some 416 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 6: shit on the city level. If you guys, throw all 417 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 6: of all of you, which is like a lot of 418 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 6: you straight to those county meetings. And the county meetings 419 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 6: are every Tuesday at nine am and they go back 420 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 6: and forth every week between Santa Barbara and Santa Maria. 421 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 2: Santa Maria is like an hour to hour and. 422 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 6: A half drive from where they live, so that's like 423 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 6: pretty unrealistic for most people to not only get work 424 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 6: off and stuff like that. 425 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: But like that upcoming Tuesday from that meeting. 426 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 6: We had that Saturday, they just happened to be in 427 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 6: Santa Barbla, which is more like a ten to fifteen 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: minute drive like down the streets. So we're like, okay, 429 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 6: there's the fucking meeting, Like we want to try to 430 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 6: get people there, and so the you know, the news 431 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 6: there it was like hot off the presses for a 432 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 6: week or two, there was all these articles on on 433 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 6: the crisis, and then so that Tuesday morning, all of 434 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 6: them going and hitting the public comment, hitting the mic, 435 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 6: and and I should say, like public comment is typically 436 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 6: anybody who's like gone to the public comment at a 437 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 6: city or count like a government meeting. 438 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 2: There's usually one or two people that are just like 439 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: really weird, like they are they're like human on, they're. 440 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 6: Like human on people, or they are like or like 441 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 6: they're like the next door Karen person that's complaining about 442 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 6: like I don't know, some stupid, stupid shit that nobody 443 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 6: gives a fuck about. But like sometimes that person actually 444 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 6: gets something change because they actually complained over and over again. 445 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 6: And then there's actual agenda items in these government meetings, 446 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 6: and having this many people like totally flood of public 447 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: comment just for one issue as if it's on the 448 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 6: agenda is like it's kind of jaw dropping, right, So 449 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 6: people just went so. 450 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: Crazy with it. People got off of work, they. 451 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 6: Were monolingual Spanish speakers, they just spoke in Spanish, and 452 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: there's a live interpreter that they legally have to have 453 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 6: at the county meeting. So on Wednesday, the county Supervisors 454 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 6: called an emergency meeting for Thursday, and on Thursday they 455 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 6: passed the Emergency just Caused Ordinance, which was just basically 456 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 6: copy pasting the city ordinance that we'd just won after 457 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: the six week like marathon. 458 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: So I don't know if you if you caught all that, 459 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: but like that's how from our perspectives, like we don't 460 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: live in the building. We just like we just try 461 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: to make shit happen. 462 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 6: Like it was insane of like how quickly, because it 463 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 6: took us about six weeks for the city thing, which 464 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 6: was still like everyone told us, like that's rapid fire. 465 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 6: Laws don't get changed that quickly, and this was like 466 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 6: two weeks or some shit. 467 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was I was stunned by this when I 468 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: was reading about this, like this is one of the fastest, 469 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: Like this is one of the fastest campaigns I've ever seen, 470 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like I we've we've run into 471 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: like Chicago City Council before, for example, and they, oh boy, 472 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: those people are yeah yeah, so yeah, it was a 473 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: really impressive campaign that you all were able to pull off. 474 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 6: Like yeah, but and this narrative is if we wanted 475 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 6: to like really make this in a curated way. We 476 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: could probably have like hopeful, we could have inspirational background music. 477 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 6: Then we could have like horror music we could have 478 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 6: because I mean, I don't know, Sam, if you want 479 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: to take it from that. 480 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: But there's also been some very dark turns since that. 481 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, like very dark, depressing, scary turns because the minute 482 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 6: well all this, I guess I'll just say it. If 483 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 6: we want to go deeper into it, we can, or 484 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 6: we can skip it. But like as soon as we 485 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 6: were really excited, like, okay, they can't like what we 486 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 6: just did makes it illegal for them to evict everyone 487 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 6: like for now because they don't have permits. 488 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: And oh oh and this is this is actually really 489 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: like important kind of legal. 490 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 6: Fact is that that what the law said was that 491 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 6: this notice applies to any current notices posted to tenant 492 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 6: stores like after this date, as well as unlawful detainers. 493 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 6: Unlawful detainer is a fancy term for an eviction lawsuit. 494 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 6: So so basically like any eviction lawsuit that Course Spaces 495 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 6: would try to file against any of the two hundred 496 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 6: and fifty plus people would be they would just be 497 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 6: tossed out in court because they're just like you know, 498 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 6: an eviction defense attorney would just point to the law 499 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 6: and be like, the new law says you have to 500 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 6: do X, Y and Z, and they didn't. 501 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: They be like, yeah, you're right. 502 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 6: It's just very there's nothing ambiguous. It's not it's not 503 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 6: a great area. It's not like you can interpret it 504 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 6: this or that way. It's just not you can't. 505 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: You can't. 506 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 6: There's no like, there's no like the other side we 507 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 6: say like, well what about this and this, there's no, 508 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 6: well there's no other thing. But immediately, like almost immediately, 509 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 6: within like a week or something, the other side started 510 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 6: countering with like insane propaganda, like like disinformation, which I 511 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 6: guess I'm kind of taking up a lot of space now, 512 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 6: but Sam, I don't know if you want to, because 513 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 6: you're actually there with all the people having being foresped 514 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 6: the disinformation but by by Tyne Taylor Fox, Howard Lop 515 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 6: and course spaces vertically integrated private equity. 516 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: Piece of shit firm. 517 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the emergency ordinance passed and we all are like, yay, 518 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 5: this is great, we have protections. But then yeah, that 519 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 5: law firm decided to well that end management. Actually, I 520 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 5: think prior to the law firm's notices on our door. 521 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 5: Management went around. 522 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: Being like like, come pick up your checks. 523 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: These aren't you know, like you need to go take 524 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 5: your checks, you need to sign that you're leaving, et cetera. 525 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: And when that notice from. 526 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 5: The the Tyne Law Firm came signed by Lacy. 527 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: Taylor, it Taylor reported to the bar. 528 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 5: It basically said, this doesn't apply to you, and if you, 529 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 5: I mean, okay, this is my interpretation of it. When 530 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: I read it as a just you know, random human being, 531 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: not a law major or anything, it sounded like they 532 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: would take our relocation checks and or charge us more 533 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 5: money if we bought back. That's the way it was phrased. Granted, 534 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 5: I know it was like law jargon, but it was 535 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 5: made to almost like, in my opinion, harass us. 536 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: Like it felt like, oh. 537 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: Everything the core basis tennessization and SBT is saying is 538 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: a lie. 539 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 4: This is the truth. 540 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 5: If you want to join them and be with them, 541 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 5: well you might not get your relocation assistance check and 542 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 5: or we might charge you more from that. 543 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: At least with that specific notice. It was super confusing. 544 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 5: And you know, most people here don't have law degrees. 545 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: They don't they don't know the law. On top of that, you. 546 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: Know, the the law firm intentionally left out the last 547 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 5: part of the ordinance. They said, hey, this doesn't apply 548 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 5: to you because the eviction notices were issued before this, but. 549 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: It left out the unlawful detainer part. 550 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: Yes, so it was it's lying by omission. 551 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 552 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: It's like I. 553 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 6: Wish I had a good like movie example or something, 554 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 6: but like we've all seen this kind of thing, right, 555 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 6: It's like you tell the person everything and then you 556 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 6: kind of black out the last part of the sentence 557 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 6: so that I don't know, I wish, I wish there 558 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 6: was like an obvious movie thing to be like, look 559 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 6: at what the villain did, so the person would like 560 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 6: make the wrong choice like go down the wrong path 561 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 6: in the forest or some shit, right like, so they'd 562 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 6: get attacked, Like like that's what it did. 563 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: That's what they did. 564 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: That was that was exactly what they did. 565 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 5: They literally quoted the new ordinance and then cut off 566 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: the second half and put dot dot dot, which was. 567 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 6: Implying something else was there, right, I mean maybe some 568 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 6: maybe some English major was like, oh, I wonder what's 569 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 6: in the dot dot dot, Like what's the rest of 570 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 6: the quote. 571 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: But that's the thing. 572 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 6: That's the thing about like using abusing their power as lawyers, 573 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 6: fancy letterhead and all this shit of knowing. And this 574 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 6: goes back to like this this kind of diversity of 575 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 6: class composition. 576 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 4: Right. 577 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 6: If this is a bunch of like super highly educated 578 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 6: uh professionals, like either with law degrees or or whatever, 579 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 6: they'd be like, Oh, I'm just going to jump onto 580 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 6: the county, you know, I'm going to like look up 581 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 6: the ordinance and be like, oh, it's Ordnance. 582 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 2: Five to one whatever, and I'm going to read through 583 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: it and be like, ah, they left out the unlawful detainer. 584 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 6: But like how my guess is almost zero of the 585 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 6: tenants to receive those notices did that. And that was 586 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 6: that was the law firm that was That was Tyne 587 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 6: and Taylor and Fox and Howard and whoever the fuck 588 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 6: Ellis's is involved in their in their you know, fraudulent 589 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 6: joke of a firm there. Their whole thing was they 590 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 6: wanted to scare people to get to get them the 591 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 6: self evict Right. So if you think about like the 592 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 6: logistics of like like okay, let's say you're a you're 593 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 6: a landlord firm, that works for landlords, and you you 594 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 6: evict people, and you get paid a lot of. 595 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: Money to do so. 596 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 6: Right, So you get paid some retainer amount that's like 597 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 6: I don't know, tens of thousands or more just for 598 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 6: just for like being on a call to do stuff 599 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 6: for them. 600 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: And then and then maybe you get paid of other amounts. 601 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 6: You you're looking at you're looking at a situation like this, 602 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: and you're like, Okay, two hundred and fifty units and 603 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 6: then there's somewhere between five hundred one thousand people and like, 604 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 6: you know, you don't need to evict the little kids, 605 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 6: but like you need to evict like every person on 606 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 6: the lease. Like that's a lot of unlawful detainers. Like 607 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 6: that's a lot of filing that we're going to have 608 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 6: to do. Yeah, we're going to have to like get 609 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 6: every single name and every single lease, and we're going 610 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 6: to have to like every individual person on every lease. 611 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 6: We're going to have to file an eviction lawsuit in 612 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 6: the court that we know is going to get tossed out. 613 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 6: Like that's so much fucking work for us to do. 614 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 6: We don't want to do all that work. That's insane, right, 615 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 6: Like we we want to kind of just keep this 616 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 6: retainer money and do like minimal work, like because we 617 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 6: also don't have it's a four person law firm, and 618 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 6: they probably have some legal assistance, but like, do they 619 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 6: really have the capacity to do something of that scale 620 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 6: like this little slimy garbage trash fire of a fucking firm. 621 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: Of course not. 622 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 6: But their strategy was was to was to scare people 623 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 6: through lying with abusing their power as much as possible 624 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 6: to empty out that building so there'd be no need 625 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 6: to file eviction lawsuits and and do the bidding of 626 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 6: their of course spaces without going to court knowing they 627 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 6: would lose. Right, So that's anybody listening, by the way, 628 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 6: this is not like this actually isn't about course spaces 629 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 6: or the time law firm. Like this is just a 630 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 6: strategic set of like a methodology for an industry that 631 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 6: views human beings as obstacles to profit and in a 632 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 6: hyper commodified real estate you know, capitalist market. 633 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: Like that's all this is. 634 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 6: We're just describing like like a normal process that's happening 635 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 6: at this point. 636 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And something something we've talked about in other like 637 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: tenant struggles is that, I mean one of the things 638 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: that yeah, I'm not going to I'm not going to 639 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: use a specific law firm of doing this, but it's 640 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: something we've seen in other places. Is like, you know, 641 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: you'll get landlords who will just fire just file like 642 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: mass file just illegal evictions. And they do it because 643 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, so if they get caught, like nothing 644 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: happens to them, right Like, but if they don't gay 645 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: cut you know this, this is an enormous number of 646 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: people who you could just throw and not have to 647 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: go through any kind of legal process with and so yeah, 648 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: these like you know, it's like it's like this goes 649 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: back to the old, the old sort of capitalism problem, right, 650 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: which is like the easiest way to make money just 651 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: by taking it from someone, and the second easiest way 652 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: is by is in you know, Like it's like the 653 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: one that's even easier than that is you is you 654 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: lie to them and trick them into getting either trick 655 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: them or intimidate them, and she's giving you the money 656 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: without having to like actually fight them. H And yeah, 657 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: it's you know what they're doing here, it is legal terrorism. 658 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I I reported Lacey Taylor to the bar. 659 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 6: I don't know, Lacey. I'm sure you're listening to this, 660 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 6: if you if they even notified you, but it was 661 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 6: it was a bit frustrating because they were just like, yeah, 662 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 6: this isn't really like we can't really do anything about this. 663 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 6: It has to be a matter that's settled in civil court. 664 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 6: And so it's definitely frustrating. So it's like, no, like 665 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 6: this is just straight up lying. This is not like 666 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 6: an interpretation of the law. But I do think like 667 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 6: this is as a side note, like this is the 668 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 6: issue with you can have like evil ass people who 669 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 6: are trying to make people homeless in order to retenant. 670 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: That's the kind of language of the these firms us. 671 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: The word is retenant in the building. 672 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 6: We're just retenanting, right Like that's that's the sort of 673 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 6: real estate capitalist law firm or that's the industry like language, 674 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 6: right that, Like there's just there. 675 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: We got lawyers for that, right. 676 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 6: Like we have a thing we want to do and 677 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 6: this is just the wild West, and we just want 678 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 6: to make a lot of money, and we just have 679 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 6: like stacks of lawyers just on deck that we'll just 680 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 6: pay to do this. And then you even have like 681 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 6: these state bar associations that are like well Yeah, that's 682 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 6: just how it is. 683 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: Man. 684 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 6: Probably most likely because like on the side of real estate, 685 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 6: I my guess I'm making up this number. The eighty 686 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 6: percent of the lawyers working in real estate are on 687 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 6: the side of landlords. And then maybe twenty percent, probably 688 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 6: way less than twenty two yeah, high on the side 689 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 6: of tenants, right. And then some of the landlord tenants 690 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 6: sometimes will help tenants, right, so they can like brag 691 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 6: it at their little wine and cheese things like, oh, 692 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 6: I help the people or whatever, and I donate to 693 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 6: charities or some garbage. But they at the end of 694 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 6: the day, they're just they're happy to make people die 695 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 6: starvation on the street so that somebody else can make 696 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 6: a shit ton of money. 697 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been nic Could Happen Here? 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