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Speaker 2: Welcome in, Good morning to you. It's Dan Patrick Show,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app. Do Do Do Do Do, Do,

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Speaker 2: Do Do Do Doot with Dan Byer, Jason Stewart, Chris Proffet.

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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottlieb, the Doug Gottlieb Show crew, sitting in

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Speaker 2: for Dan and the Dan Nuts here as we get

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Speaker 2: ready for football season. While we continue to ride out

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Speaker 2: the wave of the Brewers winning streak. Uh, the Angels

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Speaker 2: winning streak. Huh, you can put a halo on that

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Speaker 2: one as the angel sweep the Dodgers. I'm sure there's

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Speaker 2: other stuff going on in sports, and we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: to this Shador Sanders topic in one second. I do

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Speaker 2: think that there's this is a real thing, Dan, I

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Speaker 2: think this year has been a abject disaster for the

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Speaker 2: w NBA from this standpoint. Well, you can be the

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Speaker 2: most ardent WNBA. I can't stand the women and how

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Speaker 2: they treat Caitlyn Clark, or how the level of play

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Speaker 2: or the promotion of it, or putting them on ads

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Speaker 2: instead of NBA players or whatever. There's plenty of guys

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Speaker 2: out there that feel that way, right, But their main

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Speaker 2: attraction is Caitlyn Clark. She has not played during the

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Speaker 2: meat of summer, and by the time she comes back

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Speaker 2: and plays, football is being played and zero people care

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Speaker 2: about the WNBA. Now there's and there was a there's

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Speaker 2: a growing following. And I'm just telling you, like that

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Speaker 2: last summer, not putting her on the Olympic team was messy.

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Speaker 2: It probably helped her personally as she it was just

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Speaker 2: too much of a whirlwind and she got kind of

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Speaker 2: got her stuff together for the playoff run, but it

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Speaker 2: did not promote the sport. And then the one woman

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Speaker 2: that drives ratings to the sport isn't playing all summer

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Speaker 2: and she'll come back and play. By the time she

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Speaker 2: comes back, some plays, it's the end of August, We're

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Speaker 2: onto football. College football starts in with two weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you want to talk about missing a window, Right's.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that last time. I was like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's missing? Why has there been zero to talk about

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Speaker 2: for like three weeks outside of Chador or whatever. And

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Speaker 2: I know it's usually this way, but I'd landed on Hey,

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Speaker 2: last summer we were talking about Olympics, WNBA Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 2: and she's very much still alive, still playing basketball, but

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Speaker 2: injured right now during the one time of year and

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Speaker 2: nothing else is going on that anybody wants talk about it.

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Speaker 3: And here's the scary thing. College football is a week

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Speaker 3: from Saturday away because of week zero, the full schedule

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Speaker 3: obviously coming up with August twenty eight, two weeks from today,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously on Saturday, August thirtieth, we get a

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Speaker 3: full slate of games. But Doug, to your point point

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Speaker 3: about the WNBA, I don't think any storyline was able

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Speaker 3: to grow. And I thought maybe we were gonna get that.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were maybe going to get more players

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Speaker 3: receptive to Caitlin Clark. We saw Sophie Cunningham make a

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Speaker 3: name for herself, and she made quite a name for

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Speaker 3: herself in sticking up for her. But I thought something

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Speaker 3: was interesting when the Connecticut Sun played the Fever and

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Speaker 3: they moved a game to Boston, and this was after

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Speaker 3: the little melee that they had earlier in the season,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, this could be good for the WNBA

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Speaker 3: to get Connecticut Sun fans, maybe to be a rival

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Speaker 3: of the Indiana Fever that did not happen. There was

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Speaker 3: no ability to make a rivalry with Page Beckers and

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Speaker 3: the Dallas team because Caitlin Clark hasn't been available. Nothing

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Speaker 3: was able to progress this year, and if anything, maybe

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Speaker 4: Don't you think that the contrast has been offered up though?

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Speaker 4: Because Doug's point that it's been a disaster for the WNBA,

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Speaker 4: can you make a case that it's been a net

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Speaker 4: positive for Caitlyn Clark and that she proved in her

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Speaker 4: on the Olympic team. This whole Sophie Cunningham storyline is

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Speaker 4: all about her protecting Kitlin Clark. That's her brand. She's

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Speaker 4: the other part to it, but net positive for Kaitlin Clark.

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Speaker 2: There's another part to the Sophie Cunningham right. She's an

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Speaker 2: I think, but yes, being white and straight too, yeah,

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Speaker 2: all those things, all those things were, all those things were.

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Speaker 2: But I think most of it is that the part,

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Speaker 2: whitewash of Caitlin Clark along with you know, being attractive

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Speaker 2: and you know, being completely different from what our images

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Speaker 2: which has allowed us to hyper focus on a fifth

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Speaker 2: have to pay attention to something. And I even think,

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Speaker 2: like the Micah Parsons thing, because because the Cowboys thing

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Speaker 2: happens every single year, right, every single year, it's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: who can we cocorate some sort of salary drama. We

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Speaker 2: know Jerry's ultimately gonna pay him. Let's ask for an

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Speaker 2: obscene amount of money. Maybe it's not the time, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's not the place. And then Mike Parson's really good.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys aren't but they're not terrible. You're gonna pay him.

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Speaker 2: He's doing a hold in. He's really under contract for

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Speaker 2: it's gonna get done. It was kind of agreed to.

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Speaker 2: Then the agent was like, Yo, anyway, I think people

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Speaker 2: are completely over talking about the Cowboys, Like, let me

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Speaker 2: know when the Cowboys lose late in the season and

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Speaker 2: of them. But I've seen this movie. I know how

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Speaker 2: it ends. So instead we're hyper focusing on Shador Sanders,

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Speaker 2: which brings us to Dan Byer. Your thought on Shador.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So earlier in the week, Doug, I just made

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Speaker 3: the point that with the music playing in week one

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Speaker 3: as great as he played on that Friday night against Carolina,

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Speaker 3: the reason or that I felt that he fell in

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Speaker 3: wasn't an opportunity for Shador Sanders to maybe do things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I actually I'll draw a comp to what

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Speaker 2: So APR probation, we can only practice five instead of

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Speaker 2: for your team, right, And it's not because of my team.

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Speaker 2: It's like two years previous team was an academic disaster. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: The point was that when we every player we took,

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody has to be eligible, and then if

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Speaker 2: they leave, they have to go find a school, has

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Speaker 2: to be a four year school. There's all these rules

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Speaker 2: with they have to get a certain GPA in order

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Speaker 2: to transfer to a four year school to a junior college,

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Speaker 2: they're a freshman to another school. They got to get

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Speaker 2: a you know, a two point five, otherwise they hurt

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Speaker 2: you academically. So we had to evaluate who we take

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, yes, And I think that was a

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Speaker 2: real thing for Shador Sanders, which was, you know, he

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Speaker 2: disengaged and frankly rude. Everybody says it. I've heard from

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Speaker 2: just because this was their way of I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be drafted by that team. And you know, coaches

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Speaker 2: So then word got out that Shador Sanders was a

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Speaker 2: factor in, Okay, well I might like him, but Dion's

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Speaker 2: gonna want my job because he wants to coach his kid.

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Speaker 2: And oh yeah, by the way, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: So there's the perception, whether it's real or not, that

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Speaker 2: he's arrogant that he's entitled. Nobody wants entitled on a

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Speaker 2: factor in your mind, Okay, what happens if we cut him?

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Speaker 2: Because that's a big reason Kaepernick. There's lots of reasons

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Speaker 2: Kaepernick was never back in the NFL. Okay, he didn't

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Speaker 2: it was the big part was and I talked to

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Speaker 2: be well received. He's a talented guy. He's probably a

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Speaker 2: to his right. There's a lot of things that but

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Speaker 2: it was what happens if I cut him? If I

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Speaker 2: lose half my locker room. What happens for Shador Sanders

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Speaker 2: if we cut him. You know what what happens? What

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Speaker 2: how are we received? Do we do? We look like

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Speaker 2: do see that. I I completely agreed with your take,

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Speaker 2: which is the the play on the fuel was fine.

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Speaker 2: It was good. It was good. I still don't know

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Speaker 2: how good an army has, right, it's still against but whatever, Like,

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Speaker 2: let's not diminish. It was good. Sure, I agree, But

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Speaker 2: it's the you show up and you're a fifth round

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Speaker 2: got a dude bring in music, hold another guy holding

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Speaker 2: your bag, get like, what what are we doing? That's

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Speaker 2: not how quarterback is played in the NFL. Quarterback it's

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Speaker 2: very much like a political position where you got to

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Speaker 2: they always you know what they always wear. They always

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Speaker 2: wear a blue button noun dress shirt. They don't wear

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Speaker 2: to be like, I'm rich. I'm wearing my stuff. I'm

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Speaker 2: that's the job. You're supposed to look like the everyman. Right,

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Speaker 2: I'm just roll up my sleeves, no tie. Right, I'm

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Speaker 2: one of you. Like what. But that's where And there's

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome in Mark Dominic. He joins us on the

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Speaker 2: He's former Gentlemen tre Tampey Buccaneers twenty plus years the

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Speaker 6: and the way he's you know, decisions he's making. I

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Speaker 6: think it's good. You know, do do I think it's like, wow,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have another Jane Daniels. I don't know

431
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Speaker 6: about that, but I certainly feel like, just like Chicago

432
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Speaker 6: should have hope, I think they have hope in Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: It hasn't been you know, all this doom and gloomer

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Speaker 6: like what's wrong with JJ McCarthy. It's more of like

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Speaker 6: we just want to see it. But from what it

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Speaker 6: feels like, I think they're in a good spot to

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Speaker 6: kind of.

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Speaker 3: Take a bird's eye of you. Mark Dominic joining us

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Speaker 3: here on the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: If you look at that whole division, So you got

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Speaker 3: Detroit now with two new coordinators. We just talked Vikings

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Speaker 3: and Bears. Now Jordan Love's got a thumb deal with

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Speaker 3: the Packers as you see it right now, Where do

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Speaker 3: you stand with the four teams in placing as we're

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks away from the start of the

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Speaker 3: regular Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's an amazing division. You know, it feels like Minnesota

448
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Speaker 6: and Chicago are you know, are battling for who's going

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Speaker 6: to end up third or fourth? And it feels to

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Speaker 6: me like Green Bay and Detroit as good as Minnesota

451
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Speaker 6: was last year. I just feel like Detroit depending on,

452
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Speaker 6: you know, the health of that defensive line and if

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Speaker 6: it can come back, is the key to the difference,

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Speaker 6: right And so I like the Packers though. I like

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Speaker 6: Jeff Hafley what he's done on defense. You talk about

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Speaker 6: a coordinator, he's been able to stay there and now

457
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Speaker 6: the guys understand what he's asking to do. You've got consistency.

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Speaker 6: It's a quarterback spot. You've got all these young guys

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Speaker 6: growing up together. I like what the Packers are. I

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Speaker 6: think they're not above Detroit as good as Detroit isn't

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Speaker 6: Either one of those two teams can represent the NFC

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Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl in my opinion. But I'm going

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Speaker 6: to lean towards the Packers because I just love the

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Speaker 6: way they've built this roster and it's all growing up

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Speaker 6: together at the same time, and it feels like a

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Speaker 6: team that's going to be relevant for the next four

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Speaker 6: or five years for sure. And I believe in Jordan

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Speaker 6: Love and I think that he's got a chance to,

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Speaker 6: you know, take his game to another level. And so

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Speaker 6: with Luke Musgrave back, you know now, with you know,

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Speaker 6: Matthew Golden, I just think that the points are going

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Speaker 6: to be very hard to overcome for the Packers because

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Speaker 6: they're going to score enough. I mean, opponents are gonna

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Speaker 6: have hard time putting up the amount of points that

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Speaker 6: I think the Packers can.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Matt Stafford, what's your read on on the Rams quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I think they're just being very cautious, right, They got

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Speaker 6: to get him to week one, so they're just going

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Speaker 6: to like, you know, say what we need to hear,

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Speaker 6: you know, everything but Matt Stafford, to me, will walk

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Speaker 6: out the ton of Week one and play quarterbacks of

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Speaker 6: the Rams. He won't play in the preseason. This is

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Speaker 6: stents Embeddans opportunity to show that he's worth the fourth

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Speaker 6: ront pick and can be the number two. But Stafford,

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Speaker 6: I think will be fine. I don't think this is

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Speaker 6: something that's going to continue to linger out. I think

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Speaker 6: it's just one of those things that they're being overly

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Speaker 6: cautious with them because they understand the whole season that

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Speaker 6: is relying on him.

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Speaker 3: What is their view of this year? Because this has

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Speaker 3: been my thing with the Rams. Doug's heard me say it,

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Speaker 3: Jason's heard me say it. I think they were close

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Speaker 3: last year on the scoreboard in beating Philadelphia. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how close they were, But now in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: it seems like if you have a shot, do it.

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Speaker 3: It's why I thought they brought Stafford back. How close

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Speaker 3: are they And for a team that less need has

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Speaker 3: been a mover and shaker, they got two number ones

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. Would there ever be a point

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Speaker 3: where they would be like, all right, Stafford's not healthy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we look in another way at the Rams

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Speaker 3: kind of their big picture.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think they've got to. They're trying

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Speaker 6: to stay in that window with the most difficult position

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Speaker 6: at all. Right, we see teams a lot of times

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Speaker 6: like Josh Allen's going to it now, right, the Bills

507
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Speaker 6: have since spent a fortune of money trying to keep

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Speaker 6: the crew together, and then what's going to happen is

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Speaker 6: those guys are going to come out and now they're

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Speaker 6: going to try to do it again. Patch Mahomes is

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Speaker 6: on the second wave of that right now. Right in

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Speaker 6: terms of like he's coming to the league. They had

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Speaker 6: a shot to go to get Super Bowls and then

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Speaker 6: they had to like readjust their roster and now they're

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Speaker 6: doing that right now in Kansas City and they're still relevant.

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Speaker 6: The Rams are the kind of that they've readjusted the roster,

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Speaker 6: except the quarterback as the aged one instead of the

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Speaker 6: younger guy like the Mahomes or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 6: And so I think the reason why they have two

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Speaker 6: number one is that they know that next year's draft

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Speaker 6: they've got to do something and they know they have

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Speaker 6: to do it at that position, and so they got

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Speaker 6: the extra ammunition to be able to do that. I

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Speaker 6: think they've planned on that this is Stafford's last season

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Speaker 6: and that's why I think they're being safe with them.

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Speaker 6: But I think the building blocks are there. This team

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Speaker 6: does have a very young, explosive defense. It's very exciting,

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Speaker 6: you know. Getting the running back taken care of it

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Speaker 6: a club friendly deal huge for them. So I think

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Speaker 6: that you'll see them change that position out through the draft.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they'll go for the veteran, like take

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Speaker 6: the and go get a veteran or or somebody that's

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Speaker 6: been somewhere else. I think they'll pick their own guy

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Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty sixth draft to be the next

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Speaker 6: starter for the Rams.

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Speaker 2: James cook signds a four year extension, and this is

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Speaker 2: a it's a weird one, right because he's only in

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Speaker 2: He's only in year four of a five year rookie contract.

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Speaker 2: And I thought the is very telling that the agent's name,

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Speaker 2: we're in the tweet and chapter's tweet, right, so hey

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Speaker 2: with us, we went out there, we did this. It's

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Speaker 2: it says thirty million dollars guaranteed when you have that

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Speaker 2: fifth year option out there, right, So he was going

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Speaker 2: to get paid more money next year. Anyway, what do

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Speaker 2: you think the details actually look like in terms of

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Speaker 2: this extension for a guy who was back to back

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Speaker 2: thousand yard seasons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, James actually owners the rookie deal.

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Speaker 6: It's a four year deal, that's what it is. The

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Speaker 6: next year would be the franchise tag for him. You know,

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Speaker 6: first round is obviously get the fifth year option for them.

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Speaker 6: So James was, you know, he's going into his last

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Speaker 6: season and what's in front of him is that franchise tag,

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Speaker 6: which is a significant number. To me, the holding was

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Speaker 6: pointless if they're going to sign four years for eight million.

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Speaker 6: I think that was on the table the whole time.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's any way that wasn't on the table.

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Speaker 6: I think the Bills just put their heels in and say, hey, look,

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Speaker 6: take it or leave it. And I think what really

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Speaker 6: happened behind the scenes was James Cooks was trying to

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Speaker 6: get sixteen to eighteen a year and the Bills were laughing,

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Speaker 6: going we're not giving you that. We're just it's not

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Speaker 6: gonna happen. I mean, think of it this way, Zach Killer,

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Speaker 6: who's the agent for you know, James Cook was Dalvin Cook.

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Speaker 6: So Dalvin Cook's agent. Right when Dalvin Cook did his

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Speaker 6: deal with the Minnesota Vikings five years ago, Dalvin Cook

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Speaker 6: got more money than James Cook got today when the

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Speaker 6: salar caps jumped sixty seventy million. So this is not

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Speaker 6: a great deal. This is nothing to beat your chest on.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's the agents trying to say, hey, well,

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Speaker 6: James always envisioned himself as a Buffalo Bill. That's why

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Speaker 6: we had to do it. Neil Baloney. He took the

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Speaker 6: deal that they put in front of you. You were

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Speaker 6: scared to play it out, which I understand. I'm not

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Speaker 6: gonna be mad at James Cook. It's forty eight million

576
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Speaker 6: potential dollars, but the reality is he left three to

577
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Speaker 6: four million dollars on the field if he goes to

578
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Speaker 6: free agency next year, because I think somebody pays him

579
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Speaker 6: fifteen to sixteen million. But good, good for Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 6: good for James Cook. But it's not one where the

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Speaker 6: agent should beating his chess. Then I did a good job,

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Speaker 6: because it's just it's just kind of a deal at

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Speaker 6: the ramback spot where it's good money. Again to the

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Speaker 6: average American, it's like huge money, but to the running

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Speaker 6: back market. By these last extensions you know, Karen Williams

586
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Speaker 6: obviously in the Rams and now James Cook, they continue

587
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Speaker 6: to push that market's going down. It's only eleven twelve

588
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Speaker 6: million a year. That's kind of what the market is.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, no, that was more My point, Mark

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Speaker 2: is that I think because of the success of Saquon

591
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Speaker 2: Barkley and Josh Jacobs and and guys that had come

592
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Speaker 2: to contract impasses Derrick Henry, there's this thought, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: going to change the running back market, and then Saquon

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Speaker 2: gets you know, they tear up his deal and reup it. Like, No,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty much the same. The evaluation is the same,

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Speaker 2: and if anything, it's actually lower because, as you point out,

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Speaker 2: the salary cap as jumped substantially.

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Speaker 6: You just have to dog you have as a running back.

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Speaker 6: I know it's hard as an agent. It's easy for

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Speaker 6: us to sit here and talk about it. You have

601
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Speaker 6: to get to free agency, have thirty one other clubs

602
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Speaker 6: bit on you, or you're going to take the eleven

603
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Speaker 6: to twelve million dollars deal because that's what CLSE are

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Speaker 6: going to offer. So you've got to just decide what

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Speaker 6: do you want to do. Do you want to get

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Speaker 6: paid or do you want to see what your value is?

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Speaker 6: Two different things. Running backs, if they really want to

608
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Speaker 6: get paid, they've got to get to free agency at

609
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Speaker 6: a young age like they are, Like James Cooker Williams

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Speaker 6: would be would have been No again, No, they got

611
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Speaker 6: to secure their bag. They want to get their money.

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Speaker 6: I can get it, No big deal. But we're not

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Speaker 6: going to see a market change until somebody pushes John

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Speaker 6: Flipon says I'm going to free agency.

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Speaker 2: That's Mark Domini, former Gentlem manager Tampay Buccaneers. You can

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Speaker 2: hear them weekly in the Doug Gottlib Show. Mark you

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Speaker 2: the best man. Appreciate you getting up for us.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you. I hope you're having a great summer.

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Speaker 2: For many people like my son Hayes, can't be listened

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Speaker 2: to the show because he's got his first day of

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Speaker 2: dropped off at their universities. We discussed this like last week, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe i'm maybe my parents were old school,

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Speaker 2: bye bye. Felt like that old Saturday Night Live skit,

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Speaker 2: bye bye bye, bye byebye. But this is the Dan

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Speaker 2: Patrick Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay, uh, Taylor Shrip

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Speaker 2: was on with the Kelsey's On podcast, So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot to it. Dan, I thought you brought up a

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Speaker 2: bunch of interesting points, but maybe the most interesting was

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Speaker 2: who does this serve? Right? Like, who does it serve?

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Speaker 2: What's the what is the point? Why is she doing this?

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Speaker 2: And what do you think that the answer is? I was.

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Speaker 3: I watched the almost entirety of the two minute after

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Speaker 3: the two hour episode, I towards the end, I just

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Speaker 3: kind of fast forward a little bit. But it was

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643
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Speaker 3: end of that, Doug I wondered, all, right, did Taylor

644
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: do this to bring her fans into the football world?

645
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: Was it to get football fans to appreciate Taylor Swift?

646
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: Where?

647
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: What was the reason behind this? Ultimately, I think it

648
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: shook down to as we talked it out, I think

649
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: it was probably a safe space for Taylor to say

650
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: what she wanted to say and to reveal her album

651
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: and to do it in a neat way with the

652
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: person that she loves. So ultimately maybe it was just

653
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: to serve themselves. But record numbers watching it and millions

654
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: of people when it went live yesterday afternoon or I

655
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: think evening in some parts of the country. But I

656
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: had wondered of what was the reason for it, even

657
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: after watching the two hours, and ultimately I think it

658
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: was just good for Travis and Taylor.

659
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it

660
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: was it gives America a look at sort of America's couple,

661
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: right and Jay stu It took him probably six to

662
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: nine months to go to come off of the it's

663
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: a fake relationship argument. And to anybody who thought it was,

664
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: then you watch you watch yesterday, You can watch now

665
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: online and be like, not, okay, that works. You know

666
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: that there, that's a real thing. I do think that

667
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: oftentimes we think there's a strategy involved. It's a lot

668
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: like here's the parallel I'm gonna drive. I have a

669
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 2: really good friend who worked with the president in his

670
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: first term, and his thing was anybody who thinks that

671
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: when he comes out with some new plan that there's

672
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: that they've they've workshopped it or whatever, that there's a

673
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: whole plan in place, Like that's not how he operates.

674
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: It's just not, oh, there's this master plan with the economy,

675
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: like no, not really just has an idea. Somebody proposes

676
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: an idea, thinks it's a good idea, It gets committed to,

677
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: it goes and does it, even if it may contradict

678
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: an idea he had a couple weeks ago. And I

679
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: think that's what's at play here with the Kelseys is

680
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: she probably always wanted to do it right, and everybody's

681
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: always why don't ever do that podcast? Why don't you

682
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: ever do a podcast? Like we only see you guys

683
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: taking pictures in a club or a concert or a

684
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: football game like a podcast. It's just a conversation. It's

685
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: super like you've talked people into being a podcast, Like

686
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, And then you get the dates arrive, Hey,

687
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: let's do it now for the season to get out

688
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: of the way, and we'll just talk and we'll you know,

689
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: talk music, talk some football, let people know who we are,

690
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: and that's it. Is there a benefit to the Kelsey's Yes,

691
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: is there a benefit to her? Yes? But I I

692
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: and I could be wrong, And maybe it's because I

693
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: believe in the good and people first and foremost that

694
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't think everybody has some master plan on how

695
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: to manipulate likes and how to manipulate downloads and what

696
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: it means for your music career. Like she's a billionaire,

697
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: She's the most popular female artist in the country, period stop.

698
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: He is a multi time super Bowl champion, a Pro

699
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Famer. Like, they don't need much more,

700
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: they don't need even attention, but it's just their way

701
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: of Like people probably don't think she likes her as

702
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: into football. You watch that, you listen to that, and

703
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: you understand that she's doing what every great partner should do,

704
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: which is she's fallen in love with what her partner does.

705
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: What it comes down to, So that I.

706
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 7: Became like a person who was running through the halls

707
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 7: of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier or Worthy And

708
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 7: my ords are like, what is who body snatched you this?

709
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 7: What do you mean we drafted Worthy or Worthy?

710
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: I forget where it was, but you were the first

711
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: person to tell me.

712
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 7: That I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was

713
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 7: freaking out.

714
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: We're talking about like, I'm like, wait, does she she right?

715
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 6: I had to look this up.

716
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, she, does she get the wrong information here?

717
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 6: We trade it up?

718
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I will. I'm gonna just top in

719
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: one thing. This is where you're like a real person.

720
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: I like when you when you superstars are real people.

721
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: She said it's Xavier, but she says Exavier, it's like

722
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: a personal pet peeve. But forever reason it's charming because

723
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: it makes her seem like a real person that she

724
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: has there are things about her that aren't perfect and

725
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: that she's learning.

726
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like like so it's a mistake, that's okay,

727
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: not a big deal. And yes, I thought that was

728
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: I thought it was. I thought it was great as well.

729
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: And it wasn't a pick that was or a news

730
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: item that was so obvious. There was a little bit

731
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: of of nuance in it, or a little bit of

732
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: inside that you'd have to be a Chiefs fan to

733
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: really get excited about.

734
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 7: We're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man

735
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 7: cover We're talking we're learning I continue to learn.

736
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.

737
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now,

738
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 7: but give me sixteen months.

739
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's He's been on his iPad and they've

740
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: been sitting there at home and he's watching and she

741
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: wants to know. I think it's awesome.

742
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 4: Something something tells me that he has been doing the

743
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: same thing like I. I reached Taylor Swift and Kelsey

744
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: fatigue way early into this, and I've almost come around.

745
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: I was very interested to watch last night. I'm very

746
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 4: I was very impressed or startled surprised by how genuine

747
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: they are. They're like two giddy teenagers. I love Love.

748
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: I like watching Love. But I also think that he

749
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: reciprocates that because he's had us fooled this whole time

750
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: into thinking that he loves her Mutuo. I thought he

751
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: was just saying it to be a good boyfriend. But

752
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: I think he also likes her music, which goes a

753
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 4: long way with me, because I don't like her music

754
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: at all. It does nothing for me. It's not for me.

755
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 4: It's for teenage girls. But he seems to just as

756
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: she has dived into the football, I think he's actually

757
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 4: embracing her music. Too, which is a surprise to me.

758
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Stan Patrick Schelle here on Fox Sports Training, I heard

759
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Ready w Apple ahead.

760
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: And I don't I do think her music is for everyone,

761
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: not just for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not

762
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: like it. I will say that I thought Travis. Travis

763
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: felt like the third wheel at times because I think

764
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: he's used to him, him and his brother going back

765
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: and forth, but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity that he,

766
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, was gonna let her shine and would sprinkle

767
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: in things. But it wasn't a back and forth. It

768
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: was a back and forth between really Jason and Taylor.

769
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: And I thought Jason did a really good job. And

770
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: I know that there's some editing that's done, but it's

771
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: not it's not sneaky editing at all. You know where

772
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: the cuts are, you know where the places where they've

773
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: they've stopped and started again. But Jason asked this question

774
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: to her, which I thought was great, and I give

775
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: them credit. Jason just asked, how did it work when

776
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: you were trying to get your masters back? Like, can

777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: you tell me the difference between what you know our

778
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: publishing rights and what aren't? And she laid it out

779
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: for him, and it was like a real music interview,

780
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: and she explained of like what she could do and

781
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: what she couldn't do, and why it was important for

782
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: her to get those master recordings, and why it may

783
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: not be for every single artist. And I actually thought

784
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: that that part of it, aside from them promoting and

785
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: talking about their relationship, was actually an informative part of

786
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: the podcast.

787
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand,

788
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: to have people understand business that they never understood before. Right,

789
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about

790
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: masters and about selling him and about holding on to him.

791
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: And so when I heard that part was I was intrigued.

792
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: But I did know a lot of it. Again, I

793
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: just thought I thought it was a win. But it

794
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: wasn't set out. They didn't set out to win, right,

795
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: They didn't set out to win. They just set out

796
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: that I want to do a podcast, let's do it.

797
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: That's how it felt. It felt very natural.

798
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: There is something that I do think is I don't

799
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on

800
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 3: the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason

801
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we

802
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: told you where we were going to be back August

803
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to

804
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: do this August thirteenth. Obviously, that dropping helps Taylor, maybe

805
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article,

806
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: talked about how his play over the last couple of

807
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: years slipped, and he says that he let his media responsibilities,

808
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,

809
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: he let those things get in the way of his play. Now, yesterday, Doug,

810
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: after your show, I was in with Carrie Rhodes on

811
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: Cavino and Ridge, and Carrie was an all pro and

812
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: spend eight years in the league, says I just think

813
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: he's lost a step. I don't think he has it

814
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: anymore like he once did. And I think this is

815
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: all cover up and hearing what Carry said, and I

816
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast that aired

817
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling the world

818
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: and said that in Taylor brought up the point that

819
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: Travis had talked about going to different countries and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello,

820
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: I am going on a tour we can go to

821
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: all of those countries, and so that's what they did

822
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: in the summer of twenty twenty four. Travis was with

823
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: her in Europe during those spots or going to different places.

824
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: That wasn't mentioned in the GQ article of the focusing

825
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: on football. And by the way, it would be okay,

826
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey's accomplished enough in his NFL career. He doesn't

827
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: need to play another down. He's going into the Hall

828
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: of Fame. But it was interesting to me to hear

829
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: him say that his TV stuff took him away, But

830
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: the relationship stuff with Taylor and being in Europe and

831
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: doing these different things were not a reason on why

832
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: maybe his play slip last year, which you disagree with.

833
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I just don't know how it helps, you know, Like

834
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: I was when he went to Argentina two years ago, Yes,

835
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: during the bye week, I just thought, that's crazy. The

836
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: big joke is the NFL is now like we'll just

837
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: go to South America once a year. We'll just we'll

838
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: go there too, So maybe it looks a little bit normal,

839
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: But I didn't think that that was the great move

840
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: for Travis and preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go

841
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: on and win the Super Bowl, so it didn't have

842
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: an effect. But again, none of this has an effect,

843
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: and it's okay if it did. He's at the end

844
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: of his career. But it's just it's never brought up

845
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: as maybe a reason, no, why not the relationship, but

846
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: just the stuff that comes with the relationship. You're in

847
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: a different phase of your life, a different part of

848
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: your life. But he's pointed out single about the TV shows,

849
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: but nothing in terms of the travel that he may

850
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: have done with his girlfriend.

851
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: I would say this that inevitably, inevitably, there will be

852
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: some form of negativity towards it. Right. There always is,

853
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: And here's how I would take that negativity right, because

854
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: it's it's not good. I don't think it's going to

855
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: be anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the

856
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: bots or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay,

857
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: But remember, in order to watch this or listen to this,

858
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: you have to seek it out, right, you have to

859
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: seek it out. So you can say I don't care

860
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: about them, Okay, well then don't listen and don't watch.

861
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: It's fine. There'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.

862
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: So if you say, hey, I watched I listened to One,

863
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really hard to come away and

864
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: think it's not a real relationship. It's pretty much impossible.

865
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: And two they both seem really likable because Travis does

866
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.

867
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind

868
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: of cool to have a girls set of attention, Like

869
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can

870
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: just gotta be the arm candy. And then three, like again,

871
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: the most important thing when somebody says like, dude, I

872
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,

873
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: downloaded it, listen to it, and then you're like, yeah,

874
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you

875
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: want the attention that you think they're trying to get.

876
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: Here's why I don't think it's going to uh backfire

877
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: on him or in any way or it's going to

878
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: matter is if he plays well this year, then he's right.

879
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: And all the work that he's done with the speed

880
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it

881
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: was the TV shows Travis identified the problem and addressed it.

882
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: And if it doesn't work, and if he has another

883
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: down season, he's just old and his better days are

884
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: behind him. I don't think that this is going to

885
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: come up, and again, I don't think it matters. I

886
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny

887
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say

888
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: it was the TV shows and my attention to that

889
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: as opposed to being away for a month and traveling

890
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: throughout Europe.

891
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,

892
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't

893
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: like a sports mag per se or a sports article

894
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think

895
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: that only a guy who's had his career already could

896
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: say I was distracted last season as my team was

897
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 4: trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you

898
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 4: talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I

899
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: think a Chief Saan would have an actual grievance to

900
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 4: be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted

901
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: as we were trying to set history last year. What's

902
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: going on here? And I think Kerry Rhades is probably right.

903
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: I think that's his way of not admitting that he's

904
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: lost a step, but I think it takes balls and

905
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I

906
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 4: was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,

907
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.

908
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I

909
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 4: think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't

910
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: you think, Doug.

911
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: I do Again, I didn't hear the entire podcast. So

912
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: were the TV shows he's talking about last year or

913
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: he's talking about in previous years? Because he did the

914
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: big reality show he did was like, yes, ten years

915
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: ago meant more than that. I was about ten years ago.

916
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: I was the CBS at the time, and where he

917
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 2: dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's

918
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: what he was referring to, not to last year.

919
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 3: No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff

920
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New

921
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it

922
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: was pointed out the FX show and the show that

923
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because

924
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and

925
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those

926
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 3: were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.

927
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey?

928
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which

929
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: was pretty good.

930
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: And this is a different Amazon it was. This was

931
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: a different This was like a game show that he

932
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: hosted that he ended up being the host. But the

933
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't

934
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: alluding to that that was a decade or are.

935
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: You smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?

936
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: Okay?

937
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: And I wanted to say his dating show is he

938
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 4: didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it

939
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?

940
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,

941
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: so when was the when was the game show?

942
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: Was Chasing Kelsey? I think that the game show was

943
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: last the last offseason twenty twenty four.

944
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: Okay, so fifty women from fifty states vibe for the

945
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.

946
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine years ago. I was I was close close

947
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: my ears. I remember I interviewed him like he was

948
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, you talk about you talk about a guy

949
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: who you had I had no idea would reach superstar

950
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: status nine years ago. Think about how his life changed

951
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: when Pat Mahomes became his quarterback.

952
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: We were at the super Bowl, maybe it was Los Angeles,

953
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 4: I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are

954
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 4: prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I hear, hey, Doug, Doug.

955
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 4: Somebody trying to get Doug's attention. Who's being walked by

956
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: a publicist the other way? And I look over. It's

957
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey trying to get Doug Gottlieb's attention as he

958
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 4: used He used.

959
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: To come out all the time. And we talked basketball

960
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: because he played basketball Cincinnati, and we have some like

961
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: mutual mutual friends. And you know, I likeain to go

962
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: from that, like I have his number, I've never haven't

963
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: texted him in years. I have no idea if he

964
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: has the same number, if he'd even know who you know,

965
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: new phone, who dish? But yeah, I mean media like ridiculous,

966
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: ridiculous went from hey, yeah, I know yea to these

967
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: in the names you know in the NFL non quarterbacks,

968
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: he's top five in any conversation correct, yes, and then

969
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: after this podcast and after you know, now obviously a

970
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: long standing relationship with Taylor Swift, the most don't by proxy.

971
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: So so that's that's an unbelievable rise, unbelievablerise