1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Magnorma stake America, You're a great American. Again, the buck 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Sexton Show begins. Analyst, remember the d This is the 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show, and this is Ben Weinegarden in four 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton here on a snowy night in Manhattan. A 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: four four nine zero zero Buck. That's eight four nine 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: zero zero two eight two five. Again, this is Ben Weinegarden, 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: pinch hitting for Buck. And even though it is spring training, 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: I have to admit that that analogy sort of pains 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: me as a Mets fan after what occurred yesterday, which 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: we want to talk about a thirteen year, three hundred 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: and thirty million dollar deal in our division. Well, Ben, 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: you do know that I'm a huge Phillies fan. Well, yeah, 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get into it before this, and 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: now I expect the show to be sabotage. So this 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: should be an interesting few hours here live from New York. 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, this is Ben Winegarden. If you haven't 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: heard me before, I'm a senior contributor at The Federalist, 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 1: a senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research, 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: and you can follow me on Twitter at bh wine Garden, 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: where I do talk about baseball at night. During the 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: day it's all business. Most of the baseball tweets have 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: been as neurotic and upset as you might expect as 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: a New York Mets fan blowing our window, blowing our window. 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: All right, if you're not a baseball fan, I will 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: spare you with my sorrow here as the guys behind 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: the glass laugh at my dismay. I want to open 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: tonight first by thanking Buck because he does a vital 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: job here, and that is to articulate the values and 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: principles that we all share and then are not well represented. 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: And you know they're not well represented when you see 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: what the loyal adversary, the Democratic Party does on a 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: daily basis. And we're going to start tonight by talking 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: about Democrats, and we're gonna close by talking about Republicans 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: and conservatism and what the future holds. So this week, 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: of course, the big story was Cohen Kabuki theater. Michael Cohen, 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: the least credible person, a person who perjured himself in 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: front of Congress. Now the red carpet is rolled out 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: for him in Congress, of course, you know, just happening 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: to coincide with the highest level nuclear negotiations with the 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: North Koreans that you could possibly have. By the way, 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: there were some other big stories as well. Robert Whiteheiser 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: was on Capitol Hill and he dropped some important information 45 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: about the Chinese trade deal that there would actually be 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: an enforcement mechanism, and there was news but the fact 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: that incremental tariffs would not be levied on the Chinese 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: as part of ongoing negotiations. We have the collapse of 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: a socialist regime happening in our own hemisphere. We have 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: India Pakistan squabbles which are highly dangerous and potentially threatened 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: many US national interests in that part of the world. 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: But the media focus was on the least credible person 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: you could possibly have. That was the media's focus. Oh 54 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: and by the way, he was coached, it seems or 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: at least had communications with dubious representative Adam Schiff. Oh yeah, 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: and speaking of Russia, by the way, this week it 57 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: was revealed the Trump administration engaged in a cyber attack 58 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: to completely take offline a Russian troll farm that was 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: attempting another shoddy effort to post some garbage and influenced 60 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: quote unquote the twenty eighteen midterm election worst collusion ever, 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: worst collusion ever, folks. Where Michael Cohen is important is 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: not because of anything Michael Cohen said, although what he 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: did show is that there is no collusion, once again 64 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: for the million of time, after two committees showed it, 65 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: after all the weeks from the Muller Special Council showed it. 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: Not that Cohen has any credibility, but at this point 67 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: he has nothing to lose. He's going to jail. Essentially, 68 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: no collusion, not one iota. This person who is so 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: close to the president, this person who could read his 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: mind based upon his testimony, Cohen isn't what's important. What 71 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Cohen represents is important, and that is that he is 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: a precursor to what's coming for the next two years 73 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: of every of endless coverage of every last iota of 74 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's life being investigated by his worst enemies. So 75 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Axios's lead article this morning, which is sort of a 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: good proxy for where the left establishment sees the world going, 77 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: they write, whether or not Mueller is sitting on a 78 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: grand finale, Democrats are picking up the Baton with a 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: vast probe that already involves a half dozen committees. That's 80 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: great use of taxpayered dollars and will include public hearings 81 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: starring reluctant witnesses. So who are these witnesses they want? 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: The Democrats want to call Trump family members with subpoenas 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: if necessary. The investigation will touch Trump's businesses, his foundation, 84 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: because after all, his businesses and his foundation are so 85 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: relevant into his presidency right now, and then they want 86 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: to talk about his presidency. Oh and it could extend 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty. Top Democrats tell axios by coincidence. Besides Russia, 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: topics include conflicts of interest, money laundering, and Jared Kushner's 89 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: security clearance and other White House clearances. Rep. Jamie Raskin, 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: a Democrat from Maryland who's on the House Oversight Committee, 91 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: says that the committee is zeroing in on the Moscow project. Yes, 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: the famous Moscow building project which never got off the ground, 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: where there were never any high level conversations which had 94 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: no impact whatsoever on anything relating to this presidency, the 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Russia connection and the influence of oh other foreign actors 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: like Saudi Arabia. They've teased that for a while that 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: they're going to look at basically every foreign connection because 98 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: after all, we found so much collusion already, Am I 99 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: wrong again? So many of these actions actually occurred before 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: the presidency, so they're really irrelevant in context of anything 101 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: resembling impeachment, which is what they ultimately want to get to. 102 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: So and let's continue a little bit down that road. 103 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: I'll quote here from a Wall Street Journal article titled 104 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: House Committee's planned to interview Trump organizations, CFO and others. 105 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Congressional investigators don't want to cross wires with mister Muller's 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: probe into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election, 107 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: which is expected to end soon, among other matters. Mister 108 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: Muller's investigative, mister Trump, are members of the campaign concluded 109 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: with the Russians? And if the President has obstructed the 110 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: progress of the inquiry by firing a subordinate By the way, 111 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: they didn't put that in the article, but that's the reality. 112 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: Firing a subordinate somehow, obstruction potentially declassifying documents somehow an 113 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: impeachable offense. The article continues, mister Trump has repeatedly denied 114 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: wrongdoing and call the investigation of which hunt. Some Democrats 115 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: are concerned that not all of the findings from those 116 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: investigations will become public. By the way, if there is 117 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: no indictment, then it should not become public. You're supposed 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: to protect the innocent. Justice Department policy prevents the indictment 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: of a sitting president, most legal experts say, and Democrats 120 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: fear that evidence against that it may not be released 121 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: if it isn't in an indictment. I thought this was 122 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be the party of criminal justice, but apparently 123 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: not so. Then there's a quote from Representative Raja Krishna Morti, 124 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: from a Democrat from Illinois and a member of the 125 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: House Oversight and House Intelligence Committee quote, we should just 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: assume the worst and that we're never going to find 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: out what any of these investigations reveal if they don't 128 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: lead to an indictment. That's the worst. We're talking about 129 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: a member of the House of Representative, someone who is 130 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: supposed to at least feign interest in justice. And what 131 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: is he saying. He's saying we have to assume the worst. Ie, 132 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: We're not going to get information that we can use 133 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: to attack a president if it isn't used to indict someone. 134 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: That's the worst, you know, if they want everything that 135 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: Mueller did exposed. Congressman noonez today during SEPAK said something interesting. 136 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: He said, and I agree with him. If this is 137 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: going to happen, if we're really going to go down 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: this road, Let's see every communication of the Mueller Special Council. 139 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Let's see every last shred of evidence. Let's see it all. 140 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: Let's see all the personnel. Let's see the background checks 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: that were done into the personnel who comprised the special counsel. 142 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Let's have it all hashed out, and then let's declassify 143 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: every last document associated with any investigation or President Trump. 144 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't think the investigators want us to look at 145 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: the information that they use for their investigations. I want 146 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: to go back and take a trip down memory land 147 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: with a quip here. And I'm not going to tell 148 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: you when this clip occurred or who said it, but 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: let's roll clip one. The effective impeachment is to overturn 150 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: the popular will of the voters. We must not overturn 151 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: an election and remove a president from office except to 152 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: defend our system of government or our constitutional liberties against 153 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: the dire threat. And we must not do so without 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: an overwhelming consensus of the American people. There must never 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: be a narrowly voted impeachment, or an impeachment supported by 156 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: one of our major political parties and opposed by the other. 157 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: Such an impeachment will produce the divisiveness and bitterness in 158 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: our politics for years to come, and we'll call into 159 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: question the very legitimacy of our political institutions. You may 160 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: have the votes, you may have the muscle, but you 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: do not have the legitimacy of a national consensus or 162 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: of a constitutional imperative. This partisan coupe data will go 163 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: down in infamy in the history of this nation. I'll 164 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: give you a second to write down on a piece 165 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: of paper who you think it was that made those 166 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: comments and when those comments were made. All right, are 167 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: you listening? That was Gerald Nadwer in nineteen ninety eight. 168 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: You might remember Gerald Nadwer, Democrat from New York. He's 169 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: still in the House today. Back then and today he 170 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: would be the person, as the chair of the House 171 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee who would oversee impeachment proceedings. Back then, he 172 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: was defending Bill Quinton against impeachment. Isn't it amazing how 173 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: that exact argument could be applied today, but you will 174 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: never see the left apply because it doesn't suit them, 175 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't support their political interests, because they aren't actually principled. 176 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: But you know what impeachment itself is actually besides the point. Yes, 177 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: Democrats would love to impeach and remove if they could, 178 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to get to the removal. 179 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: And frankly, they recognize some of them, at least the 180 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: more sober ones, the old guard, if you will, and 181 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the old Guard versus the Young Turks 182 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a bit later. The old Guard recognizes that impeachment is 183 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: a weapon that can lead to self destruction. They saw 184 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: the Republicans do it, and with some of the folks, 185 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: the more progressive folks in the Democratic House right now, 186 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: they could be in big trouble if they actually go 187 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: down that path. But impeachment, again is besides the point. 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: It's not about that act. The goal of these investigations 189 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: is to continue to create the appearance of smoke, but 190 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: there's never any fire. There has never been a smoking gun. 191 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: There is no fire. You've had people who loathe the 192 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: president take unpressed in an action to look into communications 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: private documents, take away boxes and boxes full of the 194 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: most private communicators with lawyers of the president and others. 195 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: There's no there there, But the momentum is such that 196 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: they can't stop. They have to feed their base, and 197 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: they are wedded to this narrative. And so again, it's 198 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: about creating the appearance of smoke for as long as possible, 199 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: and that's going to mean into twenty twenty and through 200 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: the election. Clearly. Now the question is does that actually 201 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: move the needle with you, the American people, And I 202 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: would suggest that it won't. Those who believe this is 203 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: essentially a hoax, we're gonna believe it's a hoax. Those 204 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: who are on the other side and believe it's a 205 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: Russian spy, they're gonna believe what they're gonna believe. The 206 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: people in the middle, those old Reagan Democrats turned Trump Republicans, 207 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that this is gonna play well with them. 208 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I really don't. But that said, you can bet the 209 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: House committees are going to leave no stone unturned because 210 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: they need to create a constant hysteria. This isn't about oversight. 211 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: This is a political conviction in search of the appearance 212 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: at least of crimes. It's an investigation in search of 213 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: a crime, and in a worst case scenario for the investigators, 214 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: the process itself is the punishment. The process is the punishment. 215 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: The whole purpose of this, this whole effort that started 216 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: well before Donald Trump was elected president and we're talking 217 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: June and maybe even earlier in twenty sixteen, the whole 218 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: purpose was to sabotage and paralyze a presidency. And that's 219 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: why we have four years of quote unquote investigation. This 220 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: is Ben Winegarden in four buck Sexton. Lines are open. 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: Eight four four nine zero zero buck. That's eight four 222 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: four two eight two five. Will be right back. Welcome 223 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: back to the buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weinarten 224 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: in four buck Sexton. Thanks for joining us on this 225 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: Friday night. Eight four four nine zero zero buck. That's 226 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: eight four four nine zero zero two eight two five. 227 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: Before the break, I was talking about process as punishment 228 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to all of the investigations, first in 229 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: both the Senate and House Intelligence committees, the Molar Special 230 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: Council investigations that preceded them. I want to kind of 231 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: summarize what has transpired because I continue to believe that 232 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: this is probably the biggest scandal in American history, and 233 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: only a small fraction of so called journalists are the 234 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: ones covering this. And that's a travesty. It's a travesty 235 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: not because we care about media, but because we care 236 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 1: about truth. And thank god we have the Internet. We 237 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: would not have an informed citizenry without the ability of 238 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: anyone potentially to be a journalist. So the intent, first 239 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: of all, when it comes to every step back, when 240 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, when the President talks about while Jim Comey 241 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: assured him he's not a target, the president was always 242 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: the target from probably even before or investigations or dossiers 243 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: or anything else started. We're talking in earlier in twenty sixteen, 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: when he was popular and it actually looked like, wow, 245 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: this guy is going to be competitive. So the first 246 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: attempt was, let's destroy him during the press in the 247 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: run up to in the elections in the primary season 248 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: even but then as it advanced, let's start investigations as 249 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: an insurance policy, you know, just in case the point 250 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: zero zero one percent chance this guy actually triumphs over 251 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, then what's spy on his associates? And let's 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: use informants to try and entrap them in Russian collusion 253 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: premised on a selacious and unverified dossier paid for by 254 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Hillary in the DNC and collected from shady Russian sources. 255 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: That's an interesting way to try to and affect frame 256 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: someone that's very It doesn't get any more Clintonian, really, 257 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: it really doesn't get any more Quintonian than that. So 258 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: he gets elected before he's even elected. There are approaches, 259 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: there's recordings of conversations, and does the intent of this 260 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: to take out two people who were vital to the president? 261 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: Number one, the Attorney General Jeff Sessions has to recuse 262 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: himself because of Russia from the very start. So, in 263 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: other words, the law enforcement bodies, FBI, Department of Justice, 264 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: the person at the top who might be able to 265 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: control them, taken off the board. The national security advisor, 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: who actually agrees with overturning what the foreign policy and 267 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: national security establishment have done for decades, taken off the board. 268 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: So two vital cogs pulled out immediately, taken off the 269 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: playing field. Later on, as they're continuing these investigations, they 270 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: use a firing letter that's drafted by one of their own, 271 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: dag Rosenstein, to try to create a case of obstruction. 272 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: See Rosenstein wrote the letter on behalf of the President. 273 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: The President fires Jim Comey. But isn't that interesting? It 274 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: was sort of a trap in some way. It's kind 275 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: of it'd be interesting to actually it will. Of course, 276 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Congress can interview Rosens because he's running out the clock. 277 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: He's talking to favorable media offline, getting them to write 278 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: favorable things about him in a war that he is 279 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: having with McCabe. But Congress doesn't get to have any 280 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: oversight over something that really matters Dad Rosenstein. All of 281 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: this is happening while Congress is throwing the president's agenda, 282 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: and that's on a bipartisan basis. Courts are holding up 283 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: policies under assinine universal injunctions. And then you have a 284 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: molar Special Council which is not only squeezing anyone close 285 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: to Trump but toxifying anyone around him, trying to get 286 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: them to cough up something anything that will stick. So 287 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: that's part of it. But then the other purposes to 288 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: cover up the needed investigation of the investigators. How do 289 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: you have a team and not just their political inclinations 290 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: of the fact that they were all pretty much pro 291 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: Hillary people, but how do you have people who are 292 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: the establishment of the establishment as the ones who are 293 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be independent. If you are a part of 294 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: the deep state, quote unquote, you can't be dependent. If 295 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: your career was made, if you spent decades in these bureaucracies, 296 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: in these institutions, your independent special counsel in name only. 297 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: Many of the folks involved with wrongdoing which was never 298 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: investigated the investigators probably very closely. No Robert Mueller. They 299 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: might have gotten promotions from him at certain points during 300 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: their career. He was the FBI director. How can it 301 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: possibly be independent? Oh yeah. And then in the middle 302 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: of all this we find out about you know, perspective 303 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: Kuda taz twenty fifth Amendment, literally deposing a president that 304 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: is the stuff of police states. So who are the 305 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: ones destroying the institutions? Who were the ones acting in 306 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: true Russian if not Soviet fashion. You know, Vladimir Putin 307 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: is probably smirking about this whole thing. I have to say, 308 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: And what is going on in Congress right now is 309 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: merely the extension of one big, never ending effort to 310 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: create the appearance of illegitimacy of crime. Tis said, even 311 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: if President Trump isn't taken out by Congress, the voters 312 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: will do their bidding, or very worst, he'll be a 313 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: president not even able to stand on one leg, but 314 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: maybe standing on a pinky toe. You know, the gravest 315 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: national emergency of all has been the rolling effort to 316 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: fram the president as a national emergency that requires regime change, 317 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: or maybe there never was truly a regime change in practice, 318 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: the first peaceful non transfer of power in American history. 319 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: This has been one garden in for Buck Sexton on 320 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: The Buck Sexton Show eight four four nine zero zero 321 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: Buck A four four zero two eight two five. 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That's am AC 338 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: dot us slash buck. AMAC is better, better for you, 339 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: Better for America. This is the Buck Sexton Show, and 340 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: this is Ben Weinegarden in for Buck Sexton. Phone lines 341 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: are open eight four four nine zero zero. Buck. That's 342 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: eight four four nine zero zero to eight two five, 343 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: and let's go to the phones, and let's go to 344 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: first to Charlie in Maryland earlier on the Box Sex 345 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: and Show. This is Ben Weingarten. Hey, thanks for thaying McCall. Ben. 346 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: I've been following this Mueller thing for some time now, 347 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: and I am mad at the politicians for only one reason. 348 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: They don't run this country. The bureaucrats run it, and 349 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: they are openly about it. They are committing treason against 350 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: this president and nobody is really saying much. I just 351 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: find it absolutely amazing that we let just go. Charlie, 352 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: thank you so much for the call and you know, 353 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: I agree with you. This really comes down to the 354 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: administrative state. At the end of the day, regimes change, 355 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: our administrations change, control of the House, control of the 356 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Senate fluctuates, but the bureaucrats are forever. They are always there, 357 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: and many of them are almost possible to fire. In fact, 358 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: if you actually look at the government's internal ratings of 359 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: government employees, everyone gets like an A plus plus. It's 360 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: almost impossible to get downgraded. Probably the more corrupt or 361 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: political acts that you make, you probably rank higher sad 362 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: way in many agencies. And this has been reported and documented, 363 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: though obviously not bandied about frequently by the political class. 364 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Not to say, of course that there aren't rank and 365 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: file folks who do a great job. But if you're 366 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: in a political bureaucracy and you are not political, it's 367 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: very tough to rise in advance. That's why someone like 368 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: a Mike Flint, incidentally, was so amazing that he rose 369 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: to the position as the head of the DA under 370 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: President Obama. Amazing that he ended up at that point, 371 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: given how impolitic he was. But it really does come 372 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: down to the bureaucracy, the administrative state, and incidentally, Congress, 373 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: Congress has seeded power to these agencies. These agencies technically 374 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: fall under the executive branch, but it's clear they are 375 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: a fourth branch of government. I wrote a lengthy piece 376 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: about this actually, and I just tweeted it out where 377 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: I talk about the fact that we have created a 378 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: fourth branch of government that is unelected, unaccountable, and it 379 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: molds the powers of all three branches. So actually, if 380 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: you look at how a federal agency works, literally, federal 381 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: agencies play judge, jury, prosecutor executioner. So if you are 382 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: involved in some sort of legal action when it comes 383 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: to an agency, you have a business, Your business is 384 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: regulated by an agency. You flatter regulation. You want to 385 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: litigate against that agency, you have to go in front 386 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: of an administrative judge. So it's a government judge. You 387 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: couldn't have a more rigged playing field. There's a great quote. 388 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I urge you to look it up. Look up Gary Lawson. 389 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: He's a law professor who's written about the administrative state 390 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and shows you that the administrative state is tyranny. If 391 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: you have all three branches of government in one subset 392 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: action of the executive branch, that's tyranny. The whole purpose 393 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: of separation of powers was that you didn't have executive, legislative, 394 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: and judicial functions all under one roof. That's why this 395 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: is much bigger than any one particular president. It's much 396 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: bigger than these last two years and maybe the six 397 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: years succumb It's fundamentally about who rules. We the people rule, 398 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: or de bureaucrats rule. Congress has ceded its power to 399 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: these agencies. They've delegated their own powers away. Sham on 400 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: Congress for doing it. And it also allows Congress to 401 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: never take responsibility for anything. And we wonder why does 402 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: every pivotal decision end up at the Supreme Court. Well, 403 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: it's because Congress is completely derelict in its duty. It's 404 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: out to lunch. There's no courage among Congress to actually 405 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: do its job, which is to legislate. One other quote 406 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: that I would urge you to look up and i'll 407 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: paraphrase it here is from Harry Truman. Harry Truman talks 408 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: about the fact and again here we're talking now seventy 409 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: years ago, almost sixty seventy years ago, Harry Truman talked 410 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: about the fact he thought he had power as president 411 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: until he met the bureaucrats. He says something like, except 412 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: for those damn bureaucrats, they run the show. That's a president. 413 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: So imagine, now you know, we're almost seventy years on 414 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: from Truman, how much more entrenched and powerful government is, 415 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: which is already so big and already has literally stacks. 416 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: If you look at the Federal Register, we're talking hundreds 417 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: of thousands of pages. And then when you look at 418 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: the rules and the regulations, which is really where laws 419 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: are written, it's not written by a congresshman. A congressman says, 420 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: here's sort of the broad policy, and it might be 421 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: a thousand or three thousand page bill, but then every 422 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: single part of that bill, all of the rules and 423 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: regulations are then delegated out to these agencies. So the 424 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 1: real laws come down to a bureaucrat. And by the way, 425 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: if you're one of those bureaucrats and you want to 426 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: go to the private sector, you might you might yourself 427 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: take it upon yourself to draft the rules. That they're 428 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: really complicated and only you, as a regulator, know how 429 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: to interpret them. So what do you do. You go 430 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: work then in the industry that you were regulating, and 431 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: what do you do there? You consult on the most 432 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: complex regulations ever that you yourself drafted because you're the 433 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: only one who can help that company avoid getting in 434 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: trouble with a particular agency. And you make x times 435 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: as much as you made while you were working in 436 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: the public sector. So it's a really perverse incentive system, 437 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: and it's a perversion of limited government consent of the governed. 438 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: They run the show, You don't run the show. All right, 439 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: let's go to another call. Let's go to Bill in 440 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: West Virginia. Bill, you are on the Buck Sexton Show. 441 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking McCall. Hey, I believe in fighting fire 442 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: with fireing at and they've been hounding Trump with over 443 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen East election and he's had no, no 444 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: proven collusion and buy him with the Russians in it. 445 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: I think the twenty eighteen election should be investigated because 446 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats seem to want to keep the border open, 447 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: and Trump and Republicans should call for an investigation of 448 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: the Democrats and in any possible collusion that they're using 449 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: to aid the Mexican drug cartels by wanting to keep 450 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: the borders open. Thanks for the call, Bell, And you 451 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: know it's interesting they never want to talk about foreign 452 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: influence when the foreign influence might actually help democrats. But 453 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: let's look at the facts. I've talked about this on 454 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: a prior episode where we went really deep into the 455 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: weeds on the census citizenship question. What's that all about. Well, 456 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: non citizens, including illegal aliens, get counted in the census. 457 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: The census, the population numbers count everyone citizens and non citizens. 458 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: So that includes the you know, the kind of range 459 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: of ten to twenty million illegal aliens or maybe more 460 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: in America as households are counted in the census. And 461 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: what are those census numbers used for? Total population is 462 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: used to determine the apportionment of seats in Congress and 463 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: local seats as well. In other words, those places that 464 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: have more illegal aliens, they get more political power than 465 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: those places that don't have a lot of illegal aliens. 466 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: And naturally, the places that are magnets for illegal aliens, well, 467 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: of course they're naturally blue places, sanctuary jurisdictions. And then 468 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars of federal funds are dulled 469 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: out based upon population numbers from the census, population numbers 470 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: inflated by illegal aliens. So you want to talk about 471 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: foreign influence in Meadowing. It's right there. Democrats encourage it, 472 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: they incentivize it, they protect illegal aliens. They probably give 473 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: illegal aliens in some ways more rights than you have 474 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: as a US citizen. That's foreign influence in Meadowing. And 475 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: that's not even to mention, by the way, a little 476 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: tidbit that Democrats are loath to talk about. And we'll 477 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: get to this a little bit later tonight. Chinese foreign influence. 478 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: According to Vice President Pence in a landmark speech that 479 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: he gave at the Hudson Institute last year, the Chinese 480 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: were running ads, for example, in Midwestern states that were 481 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: impacted by the tariffs the Trump administration put on them 482 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: to essentially try and lobby against those tariffs and also 483 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: use them against the Republican Party for their own political interest. 484 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: That's foreign influence. And it's not just then. If you 485 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: look in the papers today, Huawei, massive Chinese tech company 486 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: which the US government has been clamping down on, telling 487 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: our allies in Europe and elsewhere, don't use Huawei technology 488 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: for five G because it's going to create a backdoor 489 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: and allow the Chinese to spy on you. Guess what 490 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: they are running marketing literature lobbying American citizens in our 491 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: newspapers today telling you how great a company Huawei is, 492 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: and they don't pose a threat and they come in peace. 493 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: So you want to talk about foreign influence, that's foreign influence. 494 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: And this is not even to get into if we 495 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: applied the same logic applied to Donald Trump, to Barack Obama, 496 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: and Victor Davis Hanson has written a great piece on this, 497 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I urge you to read, well, would we start looking 498 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: at Iranian influence? How could a president ever make those 499 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: sorts of decisions towards the Iranians? The appeasement of all appeasement, 500 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Neville Chamberlain. Peace in our time? What if we started 501 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: looking into that? If we're going to make decisions, investigatory 502 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: decisions on the basis of hunt, these policies are kind 503 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: of sketchy, and maybe they're helping our adversaries or not, 504 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: as the case may be. In this case. Actually, when 505 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: it comes to Trump, the foreign policy establishment has scuttled 506 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: an attempt to reach out to Russia, to split off 507 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Russia from China. And oh, by the way, our own 508 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: intelligence services have now said Russia and China are closer 509 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: than they've been in decades to our great detriment. But 510 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: what if we applied that foreign collusion meadowing standard to 511 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: anyone else. I don't think it's a road we want 512 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to go down, but the genie is out of the bottle. 513 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. This is Ben wine Garden 514 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: in four buck sexton eight four four nine ers or 515 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: a buck eight four four zero zero two eight two five. 516 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. This is Ben 517 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: Weingarten in four buck Sexton eight four four nine zero 518 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: zero buck. That's eight four four nine zero zero two 519 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: eight two five. We were just talking a bit before 520 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: the break about foreign influence meadowing, the broader scope of 521 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: all this, and the broader context for all of this, 522 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: which comes down to legitimacy of our government, whether there's 523 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: consent of the governed, whether the investigators themselves need to 524 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: be the ones who are investigated. And this is in 525 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: some sense and elaborate cover up of a plan that 526 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: they never expected would be revealed because they never thought 527 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Trump would win. But let's look ahead to twenty twenty 528 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: and I noticed an article. It didn't get a lot 529 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: of press, but I think it's gonna be the first 530 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: data point that we may be able to point to 531 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: in terms of trying to delegitimize at the very beginning 532 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: a potential Trump win in twenty twenty. So Politico had 533 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: an article came out on the twentieth titled sustaind an 534 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: ongoing disinformation assault targets dem presidential candidates. A coordinated barrage 535 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: of social media attacks suggests the involvement of foreign state actors. 536 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: And I want to read a little bit from this 537 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: because it's critical to note that they are getting this 538 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: information out now, that foreign powers are using social media 539 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: to try and destroy democratic candidates. So it starts A wide, 540 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: raging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic twenty twenty candidates is 541 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: already underway on social media, with signs that foreign state 542 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: actors are driving at least some of the activity. The 543 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: main targets Senators Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders, 544 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: and former Representative Beto Cultural Appropriation O'Rourke, four of the 545 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: most prominent announced or prospective candidates for presidents. A political 546 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: review of recent data extracted from Twitter and from other platforms, 547 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: as well as interviews with data scientists and digital campaign strategists, 548 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: suggests that the goal of The coordinated barrage appears to 549 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: be undermining the nascent candidacies through the dissemination of memes, hashtags, misinformation, 550 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: and distortions of their positions, But the divisive nature of 551 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: many of the posts also hints at a broader effort 552 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: to sew discord and chaos within the Democratic presidential primary. 553 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: Where have we heard this narrative before, dissemination of memes, hashtags, misinformation, 554 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: and distortions of their positions. Well, if that's going to 555 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: swing the election, why didn't we lose the Cold War 556 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: like sixty years ago? I mean, if it was just 557 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: literally let's put out some memes, hashtags, misinformation and distortions. 558 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't the Soviet Union of one? They could 559 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: have flooded Aerican news with all sorts of memes and hashtags. 560 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: This isn't to discount the fact that foreign adversaries use 561 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: misinformation and disinformation for their ends. They absolutely do. If 562 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: you want to see that, look no further than the 563 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: Kashogi caper. Look at how they created this narrative about 564 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: Jamal Kashogi that actually has completely influenced US foreign policy, 565 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: pushing us away from the Saudi is trying to attempt 566 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: to undermine a block against Iran, the number one threat 567 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: in that region of the world. Foreign influence is real. 568 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: Misinformation and disinformations are a fact of life, and they 569 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: are massively powerful because when you change people's minds, you 570 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: ultimately change their activities. And in politics it's obviously paramount. 571 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: But let's put in context what Russia did last election. 572 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: If you look at the they spend a few hundred 573 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars on some crappy social media ads that, yeah, 574 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: there may have been several million impressions, But do you 575 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: think that anyone changed their mind based upon any of 576 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: the garbage that was put out by the Russians? You 577 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: think that that caused discord and influence the election and 578 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: swung votes. There was never any proof that anything that 579 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: the Russians did swung votes. In fact, if you look back, 580 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: if you even look back at the DNC emails that 581 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: were leaked, the poll numbers didn't really shift after that leak. 582 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: So when we talk about influence, swinging elections, leaking emails, 583 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: that could be devastating, obviously, But memes, hashtags, misinformation and distortions. 584 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: If you have people that are making videos where they're 585 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: making it seem like candidates are saying things and they're 586 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: fake videos, and the technology is there to do that 587 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: sort of thing. Yes, that could certainly swing things. It 588 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: could certainly cause discord. And if you're an evil actor 589 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: that wants to do America harm, you can come up 590 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: with some pretty substantive ways to cause a lot of 591 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: casks in our system, especially with the media that we have, 592 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: which is willing to run with this stuff and rarely 593 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: does their homework, but memes, hashtags, misinformation, and distortions. And 594 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: it's only the Democratic Party that's been subject to this. 595 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: So it continues. The cyberpropaganda, which frequently picks at the 596 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: ross most sensitive issues in public discourse, is being pushed 597 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: across a variety of platforms and with a more insidious 598 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: approach than the twenty sixteen presidential election, when online attacks 599 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: designed to polarize and mislead voters first surfaced on massive scale. 600 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: Recent posts of widespread dissemination include racially inflammatory memes and 601 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: messaging involving Harris Arooric and Warren and Warren's case, and 602 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: it goes on and on, and they say not all 603 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: of the activities organized. Much of it appears to be 604 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: organic or reflection of the politically polarizing nature of some 605 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: of the candidates. And on, guess what, the candidates are 606 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: going to destroy themselves by themselves. It doesn't take social 607 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: media memes and hashtags. You know, only Democrats think that 608 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: hashtags can defeat evil adversaries. I mean, come on, come on, 609 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: a kid in their basement could do this again. But 610 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: when real influence operations actually impact us, the media hoaxes, 611 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: the Kashogie caper, the Jesse Smollette story, Russia Gate, confucious institutes, 612 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: as we'll talk about a little bit later. What is 613 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: this really about again? Number one, delegitimizing a potential Donald 614 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: Trump victory in advance and propagating the narrative the meme 615 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: of foreign influence boogeyman. But two, ultimately, this is about 616 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: hyperregulating political speech, which means killing conservative speech on social media. 617 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: The left wants to have a monopoly on political thought, 618 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: and that's traditional media, social media, academia, the whole bureaucracy. 619 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: That's the reality. This is ultimately going to be about 620 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: regulating political speech, and regulating political speech is not going 621 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: to be to the benefit of protecting all First Amendment speech. 622 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: Political speech of which is the most important and conservative speech, 623 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: of course, which is quite valuable. This has been onegar 624 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: in for Buck sex in eight four four two eight 625 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: two five will be right back, And I read it 626 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I don't care anymore. 627 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't care anymore because again, I'm at least trying 628 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: and they're not. So the power isn't the person who's trying, 629 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: regardless of the success. If you're trying, you've got all 630 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: the power. You're driving the agenda, you're doing all this 631 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: stuff like I just introduced Green New Deal two weeks ago, 632 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: and it's creating all of this conversation. Why because no 633 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: one else has even tried. Because no one else has 634 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: even tried. So people are like, oh it's unrealistic. Oh 635 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: it's vague, Oh it doesn't address this little minute thing. 636 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you try, you do it right, because 637 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: you're not because you're not. So until you do it, 638 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm the boss. How about without in respect to miss Ocasio, qute, 639 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: she's not the boss on this program. This has Ben 640 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Weingerten in four Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexon program, 641 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: and that was Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez saying that she 642 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: is the boss, although I think Nancy Pelosi would beg 643 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: to differ. But it brings up an important point, and 644 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: that is that when Democrats aren't warring to try to 645 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: bring down Donald Trump, there's a war going on, a 646 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Democrat civil war. You know, we've heard for years Republican 647 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: civil war. There is a Democrat civil civil war for 648 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: the soul of their party. It's the old Guard versus 649 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: the young Turks, because now we live in a world 650 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: where the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and 651 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: Diane Feinstein they aren't sufficiently radical. And that video of 652 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: Finstein with the kids, I don't even know where to 653 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: start with that, except to say that it is scary 654 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: that progressives start that young. And we've talked about this before. 655 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: Their whole idea is to indoctrinate from day one so 656 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: that everyone is woke. I think you're going to see 657 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: though the Dems. The Dems cannot get out of their 658 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: own way, whether it's the Green New Deal, fake fake rollout, 659 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: actually the Rio rollouts where we're talking about slaughtering cows 660 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: and no more air travel and transcontinental railroads and the like, 661 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: a cross oceans, railroads, high speed fout in California, or 662 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,959 Speaker 1: we're talking about Congresswoman Omar's anti semitism, where basically every 663 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: single week she racks up another point on the anti semiboard, 664 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: or Rashida tayeb insinuating Mark Meadows as a racist. It 665 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: was pretty blatent by the way she was calling him 666 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: a racist. Mark Meadows is a better man than I 667 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: because he apparently went up to her and hugged her 668 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: after the fact and forgave her. But while the left 669 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 1: is going to overreach, and I think you're gonna see 670 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: in these hearings that they're gonna be clown themselves. They're 671 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: not going to be able to help themselves. Because for 672 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: the younger ones, the more impressionable ones, the more naive ones, 673 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: the ones you don't know about how Washington works, they 674 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: are so energized and animated. Their trumped arrangement syndrome is 675 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: so deep it's gonna shine through and people aren't gonna 676 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: like what they're gonna see. And then for the others, 677 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: you kind of have to tag along because if all 678 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: the energy is with the progressives, you need to take 679 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: up the most progressive causes possible because that's votes, that's fundraising, 680 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: that's media airtime. I mean, look Acasio Cortez and media darling. 681 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: They like her not just because she says insane things, 682 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: but because the media actually agrees with a lot of 683 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: those things. Democrats right now, if you look at the 684 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: presidential candidates, and we're going to go through a little 685 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: bit of the horse race and just a bit, it's 686 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: a party of infanticide. It's a party of socialism, including 687 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: socialized medicine. It's a party of the mass slaughter of 688 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: cows and the grounding of all plans. As I mentioned, 689 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a party of abolish ice. It's a party of 690 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: border walls are immoral. It's a party of anti Israel, 691 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: pro Iran deal. Orange man Bad is one of the 692 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: only things that unites all of them. I would suggest 693 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: that they've failed to learn something from Barack Obama, who 694 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: I think agrees with all of these progressives, and he's 695 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: sort of their leader, even though he's been very quiet 696 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: because he's making millions of dollars at Netflix and elsewhere, 697 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: but I guarantee you he's playing a role in this election. 698 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: The Democrats, the progressives have regressive progressives. I like to 699 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: call him regressives, We'll see if that catches on. They 700 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: failed to learn from Barack Obama that, to paraphrase Van Jones, 701 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: you have to drop the radical pose to achieve the 702 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: radical ends. What does that mean. It means you need 703 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: to wrap your radicalism in a non threatening, non offensive, 704 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: non left wing, tinfoil hat wearing sort of robe garb. 705 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: And this is why if you look back to the 706 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,959 Speaker 1: original regressive progressives, the Angela davis Is of the world, 707 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: or the Bill Airs of the or the radicals of 708 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: the sixties, they stopped throwing bombs and they started fighting 709 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: wars for the minds of young people. They put on suits, 710 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: some of them, at least most of them, shaved and showered, 711 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: and they went into the institutions. They became teachers, they 712 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: became bureaucrats. They needed to drop the radical pose to 713 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: achieve the radical ends. And Barack Obama did the exact 714 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: same thing. He covered the radical leftism in a seemingly 715 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: non threatening, common sense, every American, every man kind of way. 716 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: It did shine through at times, but not enough to 717 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: imperil his eight years. Although Democrats did lose at every 718 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: level because people actually hated the policies they liked the person. 719 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: So while on the one hand, Democrats are being shifted 720 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: to the left, far to the left, and the Overton 721 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: window perhaps itself is shifting as they stake out the 722 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: most radical positions, and those positions over time become more 723 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: mainstream because political shifts happened faster over a wider birth 724 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: than they ever have. If you look at what was 725 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: considered radical five or ten years ago, that becomes routine 726 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: now in a lot of respects, unthinkable things become the norm. 727 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: In fact, hundreds of years of human history and teaching 728 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: and practice have become overturned in recent years. But there's 729 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: a whipsaw effect that's occurring because while on the one 730 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: hand there's the impeach and remove at any costs caucus, 731 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: they're also so called moderates in hotly contested seats going 732 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty, folks in purple district districts that you know, 733 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: we're probably suburban, middle upper middle class. You might even 734 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: have Republican majorities, but they don't like Trump, and Republicans, 735 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: to their credit for once, are actually playing political hardball. 736 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: So you have Republicans in the House that are making 737 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: amendments to legislation and forcing Democrats to actually take hard votes. 738 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: So here's the latest one. There was gun legislation that 739 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: came out in the House. And what did Republicans do. Well. 740 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: It was a bill to expand federal background checks for 741 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: gun purchases. This is out, It's described in the Washington Post. 742 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: So I'm going with the left interpretation of what happened here, 743 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: and they write, twenty six moderate Democrats join Republicans in 744 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: amending the legislation, adding a provision requiring that ICE be 745 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: notified if an illegal immigrant seeks to purchase a gun. 746 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 1: Talk about a poison pill. Democrats can't vote for that. Well, actually, 747 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: twenty six so called moderates did. This not only incensed 748 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: the Occasio Cortezes of the world, it actually incensed Nancy 749 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: Pelosi too, because her job is to keep order within 750 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: her party and make sure they all stick together. So again, 751 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 1: I give Republicans credit. They actually played hardball once. Amazing. 752 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: They should do it more often. They should do one 753 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: of the things that we care about. So what is 754 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: the reaction of Speaker Pelosi and the Occasi zero Cortezes 755 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: of the world. When we come back from this break, 756 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to go through the sort of gulag politics 757 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: that you're about to see from the left. This is 758 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show. 759 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: I'll explain what I mean by gulag politics in just 760 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: a minute. Eight four four nine zero zero Buck. That's 761 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: eight four four nine zero zero two eight two five. 762 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben 763 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: Weinegarden in four Buck Sexton. Phone lines are open eight 764 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: four four nine zero zero Buck. That's eight four four 765 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 1: nine zero zero two eight two five. During the break, 766 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: I was scanning my Twitter feed and came across this 767 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: great tidbit that sort of exemplifies exactly what we were 768 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: talking about earlier when it comes to bureaucrats. This is 769 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: exhibit a of bureaucrats cashing in. And I believe this 770 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: is from Politico Annals of Speculation. I'll quote from this 771 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: one on't note. How much could Robert mull Or make 772 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: if he decides to head to a law firm as 773 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: he wraps up his investigation as special counsel washington Ians 774 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: Marissa Kashino asked around quote as high a number as 775 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: the market has available, says Jeffrey Lowe. The Washington managing 776 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: partner of legal recruiting firm Major Lindsay in Africa, quote 777 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: firms that can pay five million dollars while for five 778 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: million dollars. If they can pay between five million dollars 779 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: and ten million dollars, that can be the number two unquote. 780 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: To be clear, this is Politico writing. We're talking about 781 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: annual compensation, so five to ten million bucks a year. 782 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: Another quote five million. I think that's the starting point, 783 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: says the McCormick Group's Stephen Nelson. At least several millions, 784 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: says Garrison and Sissons Dan Binstock, though he adds it 785 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: could be significantly higher at certain firms exhibit A of 786 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: bureaucrats cashing in. But let's actually look at the more 787 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: substantive point, which is if Politico is writing right now, 788 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: and I believe it's Poetico about how much Mueller stands 789 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: to make in the private sector before the report is 790 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: even delivered, this really must be a nothing burger of 791 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: a report. I mean, you're talking about compensation for Robert 792 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: Mueller before this report that we've been waiting for with 793 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: these breathless bombshow report after bombshow report, day in, day out, 794 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: every news cycle. Now the story that they want to 795 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: focus on is how much Robert Moore is going to 796 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: make when the Special Council concludes. Let's go back to 797 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: what I was talking about before, which is the Democratic 798 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: civil war and the sort of AOC versus Speaker Pelosi, 799 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: old guard versus young Turk split. Well, in this case, 800 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: AOC and Pelosi are standing together against their so called 801 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: moderates in their party, who of course are a minority 802 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: within their party. So the Washington Post headline is House 803 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: Democrats explode in recriminations as liberal as lash out at moderates. 804 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that the article didn't read Republicans 805 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: pounce on House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out. Well, 806 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: they'll probably do it now. So that article says, and 807 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: remember this is dealing with legislation that twenty six moderate 808 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: Democrats in the House went along with Republicans on where 809 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: in expanding federal background checks for gun purchases, Republicans added 810 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: a provision requiring that ice be notified if an illegal 811 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: immigrant seeks to purchase a gun. Democrats hate that. Now, 812 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: it's absurd that they hate that, But Democrats hate that 813 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: so the article reads in part and I quote in 814 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: a closed door session, a frustrated speaker Nancy Pelosi lashed 815 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: out at about two dozen moderates and pressured them to 816 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: get on board. Quote, we are either a team or 817 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: we're not, and we have to make that decision unquote, 818 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: Pelosi said, according to people present but not authorized to 819 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: discuss the remarks publicly. But Ocasio Cortez, the unquestioned media 820 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: superstar of the freshman class. That's aw. Let's see when 821 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: a Republican is described as an unquestioned media superstar in 822 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: a supposed we straight news article on the Washington Post, 823 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: the unquestioned media superstar of the freshman class up the 824 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: anti admonishing the moderates and indicating she would help liberal 825 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: activists unseat them in the twenty twenty election. So Kazio Cortes, 826 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: this twenty nine year old with no power in Congress whatsoever, 827 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: but a massive social media following and a press that 828 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: loves her. Clearly self evidently she's talking about primarying moderates. 829 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: Corbyn Trent, a spokesman for a Kazio Cortez, said she 830 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: told her colleagues that Democrats who side with Republicans quote 831 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: unquote are putting themselves on a list. You're on a 832 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: list if you cross Alexandra Kazio Cortes. So now we're 833 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: talking about blacklisting within the Democratic Party. Isn't that fascinating? 834 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,839 Speaker 1: Who are the ones acting like authoritarians? So Corbyn Trent, 835 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: this spokesman goes on. She said that when activists ask 836 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: her why she had to vote for a gun safety 837 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 1: bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects 838 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: kids with psychotropic drugs. You seriously can't make this stuff up. 839 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,399 Speaker 1: They're going to want a list of names, and she's 840 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: going to give it to them, Trent said, referring to 841 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: US Immigration and custom Enforcement. You're on a list, you're 842 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: a moderate, you vote your conscience, you vote probably in 843 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: line with what you're moderate. Supposedly constituency says, you're on 844 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: a list, and you'll get primaried. Now, I encourage Acazio 845 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: Quartz to try to primary these people, because if they 846 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: get primaried and they're quote unquote moderate districts, that means 847 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: Republicans are going to sweep those districts. Queen I'll be 848 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: back in a majority in the House. But seriously, that 849 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: takes some nerve. First of all, again, who is Alexandro 850 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: Acazio Quartz to be the one coming up with these 851 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: litmus tests? But then, even more importantly, Democrats are drawing lists. 852 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just I'm reminded of the Seine Fight 853 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: episode where a land Venice. You know, she's on the list. 854 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: She can't get the Chinese food. She's been blacklisted by 855 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: the Communist Party. So when I talk about Gulag politics, 856 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: that's where I'm going. You're on a list, You're out. 857 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: It's a Kazio Quarte as his way or the highway. 858 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,399 Speaker 1: Is that where the Democrats want to be. They want 859 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: to systematically pick off anyone who dares dissent from what 860 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: progressivism demands. Again, please do that, Representative Acazio Quartz, Please, 861 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: I beg of you, name and shame every single moderate 862 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: who votes along with the Republican on something rational. Illegal 863 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: aliens going to buy a gun? H Maybe that should 864 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: concern us a little bit. In fact, it's an issue 865 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: in her home state. MS thirteen runs rampant here. Acazio 866 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,359 Speaker 1: Cortes knows full well who they are. What if you're 867 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: a law abiding citizen in one of these places, What 868 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: does a Kazio Quartes say to you when a kid 869 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,839 Speaker 1: is out playing in the street and illegal alien buys 870 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: a gun, kid gets shot, accidentally buy a gang member, 871 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,399 Speaker 1: What does she say to those parents? You know, being 872 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: a leftist means never having to grapple with the consequences 873 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,720 Speaker 1: of your policies, Republicans. When the policies work out, Democrats 874 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: will say, well they didn't work out well enough, or 875 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: they'll try to find the anti silver lining, the fool's 876 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: goal of lining in it. Democrats, it's all about feelings, 877 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: what feels good, what seems compassionate. It's never about getting 878 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: thrown off your healthcare plan. It's never about never being 879 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: able to see the doctor that you liked for your 880 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: entire life. It's never about being freed from joblock quote unquote, ie, 881 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,320 Speaker 1: let's celebrate people getting fired because now you can go 882 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: find better benefits somewhere else. AOC never has to grapple 883 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: with the reality of anything that she says, because the 884 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 1: media will never Where are the fact checkers going line 885 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: by line, word by word through every last thing that 886 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: Alexandrea Kazio Cortez says. And I hate to harp on 887 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: her because on the one hand, she's a side show. 888 00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: It's sort of embarrassing. On the other hand, though she 889 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: is a representative of where her party is going at 890 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: the very least ideologically. I'm sure there are going to 891 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: be more seasoned people that are going to follow in 892 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: her footsteps, although of course Democrats might not like someone 893 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 1: who's more season They think that she's authentic quote unquote, 894 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: she's a bartender quote unquote. In fact, I would say 895 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: that AOC is just the new age version of Bernie Sanders. 896 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,919 Speaker 1: And look where Bernie Sanders is. Bernie Sanders would would 897 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: have been dismissed as a total kuk socialist, goes on 898 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,919 Speaker 1: his honeymoon to the Soviet Union, and if you haven't 899 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: seen those videos, you have to see the videos of 900 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: him celebrating, looking like the useful idiot that he is, 901 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: taking shots of vodka in the Soviet Union in the 902 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: Cold War, celebrating with these folks. But that guy would 903 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,320 Speaker 1: have been competitive in a general election last time around, 904 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: and he's one of the favorites in the Democratic primary 905 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 1: this time around. In fact, if it hadn't really been 906 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 1: rigged on the Democratic side with the super teligates last 907 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: time around, he probably beats Hillary Clinton. Acazio Cortez is 908 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: just an inexperienced version of Bernie Sanders. So we can 909 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: dismiss her, we can mock her, we can ride her. 910 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: But the reality is she has built up a following 911 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: in the public, and not only that, she has shifted 912 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,359 Speaker 1: the Overton window. I said it before. These policies they 913 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: may seem nuts, and they are nuts, and they are disastrous, 914 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: and you can look at world experience, example after example, 915 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 1: but the lesson has to be constantly retaught. That's what 916 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: Reagan taught us, freedom never being more than one generation away. 917 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: What democrats are talking about right now are the worst 918 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: possible ideas, the most regressive ideas you could ever have. 919 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: They've been tried over and over again. Look at East 920 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: and West Germany, look at North Korea and South Korea. 921 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: Examples are plentiful. They need to be taken seriously, and 922 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 1: they need to be fought day in and day out. 923 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little about that democratic field and 924 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: what is to come. This has Ben Wagaran in for 925 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: Buck Sex and on the Buck Sexton Show. A four 926 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: four zero two eight two five. That's a four four 927 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: nine zero zero two A two five we'll be right 928 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: back talking the horse race, democratic radicalism, Overton Window and 929 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: much more. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. This 930 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 1: is ben Wine Garden in four buck Sexton. In just 931 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: a short while, we're going to pivot to what's going 932 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 1: on in international affairs and we'll talk a little bit 933 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: about China and North Korea. And you know, in some 934 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: ways it's funny to talk about the left and then 935 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about China and North Korea and these other 936 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: places where that's where the socialist dream is. And you know, 937 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: maybe the best depiction of it is you look at 938 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 1: a world map of different places at night, and then 939 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: during the day, North Korea is just dark. There's no activity, 940 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: there's no commerce. It's a very telling thing when there 941 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,720 Speaker 1: is no light, and literally you have a gulag nation. 942 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: And I go back to again East Germany and West Germany. 943 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: If you ever look, that is maybe the greatest controlled 944 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,600 Speaker 1: experiment of all time in terms of here you have 945 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: the same people they started out, the same infrastructure, the 946 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: same level of talent, the same traditions, values, principles, literally 947 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,799 Speaker 1: the same families. Look at where East Germany and West 948 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: Germany were at the end of the Cold War, and 949 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 1: even today if you look at many measures, East Germany 950 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: is still behind West Germany in a lot of economic 951 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,720 Speaker 1: measures and other measures as well. That is the human 952 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: toll of terrible ideas, terrible ideas that there may be 953 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: claims of good intentions behind, but imposing your view of 954 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: what's moral and just, which requires mass wealth redistribution and 955 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 1: dramatically altering the way that you conduct your lives. That's tyranny, 956 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 1: even if it ended up with good outcomes, quote unquote, 957 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: it's tyranny. And none of the socialistens in anyway will 958 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: ever explain how it is that the stuff will be 959 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: created that they then redistribute. Under a system where there's 960 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: only reading distribution, who's going to create in that system? 961 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,320 Speaker 1: You're just going to be sharing a shrinking, shriveling, dying 962 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: pie with everyone because there's no incentive to create, to 963 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 1: be dynamic, to pursue your dreams. If you look at 964 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: what the Soviet Union was like, and you wonder in 965 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: part today, why is the Soviet Union? If you look 966 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: at the alcoholism rates, they're just off the charts. I 967 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: would pause it that one of the reasons probably is 968 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 1: human capital was destroyed by socialism and you're still seeing 969 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: the effects of it today, Which brings me to the 970 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 1: Democrats twenty twenty. Field. I see a major challenge for 971 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: the Democrats in twenty twenty. And it isn't just that 972 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: I think Trump is going to have a great agenda 973 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: to run on, or perhaps that the economy is going 974 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 1: to be continue to be rip roaring, and financial markets 975 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 1: and all the other things that all the pundits always 976 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: say or what people vote on. To be the Democrat 977 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 1: that wins your nomination, you have to be sufficiently woke. 978 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: You have to demonstrate social justice, warriordom to the death. 979 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: You also have to check the identity politics boxes. And 980 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: then you still have to attempt to win a state 981 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: like a Florida, arn Ohio, or a Pennsylvania or a Michigan. Now, 982 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 1: while they won't make the same mistake as Hillary Clinton 983 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 1: of not campaigning in a place like a Michigan, it 984 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,040 Speaker 1: is very tough to try to sweep out in a 985 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: primary where everyone is so far left and everyone is 986 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: trying to outdo each other on the left, and then 987 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 1: seem reasonable enough to win in those places where that 988 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 1: are completely intolerable of that insane leftism. So I just 989 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: want to take off the names. These were kind of 990 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: my initial thoughts on a handful of names today. Okay, 991 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, what has Joe Biden been running on? Well, 992 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 1: he took back a nice comment that he had for 993 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: Vice President Mike Pence on social media because he got 994 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 1: attacked by social justice warrior and failed candidate in New York, 995 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,919 Speaker 1: Cynthia Nixon. Took back his nice words for Mike Pence 996 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: because god forbid, you're actually ennuy towards someone of the 997 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: other party. Oh yeah, and Uncle Joe went overseas in 998 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: front of a European audience in the last couple of 999 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,840 Speaker 1: weeks and badmouth America. One of the first rules of 1000 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: one of the seminal rules of politics that a quote 1001 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: unquote elder statesman like a Joe Biden would acknowledge always 1002 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: is you don't go overseas and attack America. You just 1003 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: don't do that, period full stop. Okay, we have Spartacus. 1004 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: Spartacus kicked off his campaign by violating rules in Congress 1005 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,440 Speaker 1: while grand standing during the shameful Kavanaugh hearings, and go 1006 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: look up his friend t Bone. That's a laugher. Elizabeth warned, 1007 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: what Folcahontas is the defining aspect of her career. Kamala Harris, 1008 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: her own paramour, admitted how she made her way to 1009 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,240 Speaker 1: the top in San Francisco politics. Hint it wasn't based 1010 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: on merit. She called for abolishing private insurance compared eyes 1011 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: to the KKK, lied about her drug usage and attempting 1012 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: to quense the fact that she's now pro drug after 1013 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: being anti drug as a prosecutor. Lied about the music 1014 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: she was listening to while smoking pots. So was she 1015 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: lying about the pot usage? Was she lying about the 1016 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: music she was listening to? Was she lying about her 1017 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: position altogether? Beto is the Robert Francis O'Rourke, I should say, 1018 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,240 Speaker 1: is the cultural appropriation candidate and sort of the EMO candidate. 1019 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,880 Speaker 1: He's also a white male and tries, he might to 1020 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: call himself Beto. White male is a dangerous thing to 1021 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 1: be in the Democratic Party, doesn't check off the identity 1022 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: politics box, try as he might, and of course frames 1023 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 1: himself as Beto when he's running against somewhat of actual 1024 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Cuban descent. But let's leave that aside. Amy Quobachar I 1025 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: thought that Amy Quobachar could potentially be competitive because she 1026 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: kind of comes off as you know, reasonable. She had 1027 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: all these moderate Republicans fawning over her in articles, but 1028 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,920 Speaker 1: you cross Amy Quobachar and she'll throw a stapore at 1029 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: your head. I mean literally, it's like a character and 1030 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: office space, like a violent Milton or you know, her 1031 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 1: ridge is more than Hillary Clinton's rage at Bill Clinton 1032 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,440 Speaker 1: based upon the descriptions that we've seen. And then today 1033 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: we had the announcement that Washington Governor Jay Insley would 1034 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,240 Speaker 1: be running, and he is running as the climate change candidate, 1035 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: fighting the climate. So his platform when we talk about 1036 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: fighting climate change is let's massively reorganize our daily lives 1037 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: over a hypothetical issue where the scientists have been persistently wrong. 1038 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,959 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, their funding is generally tied 1039 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: to proving the consensus is what they claim the consensus 1040 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: is about global warming that justifies all manner of wealth redistribution. 1041 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,880 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the worst offenders in the 1042 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: world won't go along with whatever their scheme is anyway, 1043 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 1: So we're going to sacrifice our position as the pre 1044 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 1: eminent capitalist world power. But China and all the rest 1045 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: of the countries are going to keep trucking along. I 1046 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 1: would say the field is set tremendously for Donald Trump 1047 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But long term, the Woke 1048 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 1: crew is going to triumph over the Democratic Party again. 1049 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I think the Overton window is shifting. The most radical 1050 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: positions have now been put out there by multiple candidates. 1051 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 1: They're all signed off on the Green New Deal. I'm 1052 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about that in a second. They are 1053 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: directionally where the party is going. They may have staked 1054 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 1: out the positions too orally. Those positions may be losers 1055 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, they might even be losers in twenty 1056 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: twenty four. But where's the country going? Well, their view, 1057 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the progressive view, is the view that dominates in popular culture, 1058 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: in our schools, everywhere in the bureaucracy itself in a 1059 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of ways, and worth noting. Incidentally, Democrats are out 1060 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: there working to kill the electoral college right now. Colorado 1061 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: was the most recent state to enter an interstate compact 1062 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,400 Speaker 1: that needs a majority. It needs I think two hundred 1063 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: and seventy electoral votes for this legislation to pass, where 1064 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: essentially you would have a national popular vote that determines 1065 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,000 Speaker 1: where all the electoral votes in a given state go 1066 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: so a state might vote Republican, but if the country 1067 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,640 Speaker 1: majority votes Democrat, all those states electors go Democrat. And 1068 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,200 Speaker 1: it appears, at least right now that it's constitutional. You 1069 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,160 Speaker 1: have twelve states and the District of Columbia. I forget 1070 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,080 Speaker 1: if they're included in the twelve over they're incremento to 1071 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the twelve states one hundred and seventy two electoral votes 1072 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: by the latest count covered here. See, they want to 1073 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 1: actually have direct democracy, which is tyranny. All of these 1074 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: politicians love to talk about democracy the greatest thing ever. 1075 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: The Founders hated democracy. The Founders talk about democracy as 1076 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,680 Speaker 1: tyranny of the majority, where fifty percent plus one vote 1077 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,920 Speaker 1: can vote away the rights of everyone else. Just because 1078 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 1: you have free voting doesn't mean you'll end it up 1079 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: in tyranny. And let me just say why the Greens, 1080 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 1: why are they going with green Jay Insley the most 1081 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,439 Speaker 1: recent one, and the Green New Deal and the rest 1082 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: of it. I would suggest that it's because science is 1083 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,200 Speaker 1: the only way that they can justify socialism. The Green 1084 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 1: movement is socialism masquerading as science. They have to create 1085 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: a crisis they can justify by something that is unimpeachable, 1086 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 1: that you cannot argue against or your anti science. So 1087 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: if the science demands the totalitarian response, only a Neanderthal 1088 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,080 Speaker 1: could oppose it. Worst case, if the green agenda fails, 1089 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 1: they get their friends rich through chronyism. We have cylindras 1090 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: add infinitum, in perpetuity forever. That's what the green thing 1091 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,080 Speaker 1: is really about. It's about they can't win based upon 1092 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,760 Speaker 1: the actual evidence, so they need to go science. Aha. 1093 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 1: This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexton on the 1094 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. A four four nine zero zero two 1095 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: eight two five A four four nine zero zero two 1096 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,040 Speaker 1: eight two five. Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. 1097 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: This is Ben Weinegarden in four Buck Sexton eight four 1098 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,840 Speaker 1: four nine zero zero Buck. That's eight four four nine 1099 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,040 Speaker 1: zero zero two eight two five. All right. In a 1100 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: past episode of this program, I went into great detail 1101 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:02,320 Speaker 1: into what I think is the most vital, underestimated, underappreciate it, 1102 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: and potentially most significant of all policies that the Trump 1103 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: administration has undertaken, and of course not gotten nearly the 1104 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,480 Speaker 1: credit it deserves for it, in part because it is 1105 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: in some way as a rebuke of everything the experts 1106 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote have told us for almost fifty years, and 1107 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,840 Speaker 1: that is the fact that China is a competitor more 1108 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: than that it's an adversary. And while the administration may 1109 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: catch its terms somewhat diplomatically at times, it's very clear 1110 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: that there has been a market change. Now, why should 1111 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,320 Speaker 1: we care about China as a major geopolitical competitor beyond 1112 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,360 Speaker 1: the fact that it's a world's second biggest economy, it 1113 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: has nuclear weapons, it's a massive population and landmass, massive 1114 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,480 Speaker 1: natural resources, and all the other knock on effects of 1115 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: having this behemoth that's adversarial with the communist run government 1116 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 1: facing US in a vitally important strategic region of the world. 1117 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: I always go back to the question why should we care? 1118 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,240 Speaker 1: How does this actually our daily life? And the first 1119 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,480 Speaker 1: thing right off the bat is, besides trade that we 1120 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,040 Speaker 1: have with China, there's also the fact that literally trillions 1121 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: of dollars worth of goods traffic through areas seas that 1122 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: are in China's sort of near abroad. And if that 1123 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,360 Speaker 1: were to change, if that relationship were to somehow fundamentally change, 1124 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,280 Speaker 1: or those seas were not to be able to be 1125 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 1: patrolled freely by the US, you can imagine the economic 1126 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: calamity that would occur if China actually took aggressive measures there. 1127 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, the Chinese military has threatened US 1128 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: ships in this region. So this is a real threat 1129 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: and it really does impact actually the day to day 1130 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: and we're not just talking stock prices, but we're talking 1131 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,960 Speaker 1: about costs of goods when you go down to your 1132 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,240 Speaker 1: local Walmart or any other store in America for that matter, 1133 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: overshadowed in what I've termed sort of the kabuki theater 1134 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,560 Speaker 1: of the Cohen hearing and all the rest that we're 1135 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,400 Speaker 1: about to see over the next couple of years. Over 1136 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,720 Speaker 1: the last two weeks, there were three major development, three 1137 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,320 Speaker 1: major stories relating to China that have nothing to do 1138 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: with the trade deal that may or may not ultimately 1139 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,680 Speaker 1: end up being negotiated. What are those three stories. Well, 1140 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,720 Speaker 1: one of them starts in all places in Cincinnati, Ohio. 1141 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 1: I doubt that you saw this story. A local news 1142 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,480 Speaker 1: source there, WCPO nine Cincinnati, a local television station I believe, 1143 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,480 Speaker 1: wrote an article the titled Chinese spies covet Cincinnati's corporate 1144 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,280 Speaker 1: secrets was October arrest an isolated incident. And here's how 1145 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: that article starts. It says, to anyone who has startled 1146 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: when an alleged Chinese spy who targeted ge aviation was 1147 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: arrested in October twenty eighteen, here's an even more alarming fact. 1148 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't an isolated incident. Cincinnati companies are regular targets 1149 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,360 Speaker 1: of Chinese spies, hackers, counterfeiters, and business partners. This news 1150 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,240 Speaker 1: source has learned from court documents, government records, and interviews 1151 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,960 Speaker 1: with business and federal law enforcement officials. And then they 1152 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,080 Speaker 1: go on to quote a US attorney for the Southern 1153 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,919 Speaker 1: District of Ohio, quote, economic espionage is a very significant threat, 1154 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,440 Speaker 1: said Benjamin Glassman. It could cost people their jobs, It 1155 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 1: could destroy companies. With the destruction of companies comes the 1156 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: destruction of communities and really a radically different place for 1157 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the United States in the world. And the article goes 1158 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: on to talk about all the sorts of economic espionage 1159 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,560 Speaker 1: that has involved companies just in Cincinnati, Ohio alone, and 1160 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 1: you can bet that their investigations into this sort of 1161 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,080 Speaker 1: espionage everywhere, because, as the article laighs out, there have 1162 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,519 Speaker 1: been indictments, numerous indictments that the Trump administration under this 1163 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,800 Speaker 1: FBI and Department of Justice have ramped up to bring 1164 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Chinese nationals to justice, and in the particular case when 1165 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: it comes to ge aviation and involved what's termed the 1166 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,360 Speaker 1: first Chinese intelligence officer to be extradited to the US 1167 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: for prosecution. And by the way, he's not the only one. 1168 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,920 Speaker 1: News broke just before we came on tonight that Canada 1169 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 1: is set to begin proceeding as the will allow Huawei 1170 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,920 Speaker 1: CFO Manguanzo to be extradited to the US per an 1171 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,920 Speaker 1: announcement from the Canadian Department of Justice on Friday. So 1172 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,479 Speaker 1: this is ramping up. We are starting to ring Chinese 1173 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:06,919 Speaker 1: actors who violate sanctions, potentially allegedly or engage in economic espionage. 1174 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,599 Speaker 1: We're actually taking the fight to them. We are applying justice. 1175 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,000 Speaker 1: We are not acting fearful in our response and proving 1176 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 1: that we're a paper tiger, as the Chinese may have 1177 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: assumed for say the last eight years, and really probably 1178 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,160 Speaker 1: the last twenty eight or thirty eight or forty eight years. 1179 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 1: It's one story Cincinnati. Another story. A report out from 1180 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the US Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship that's 1181 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,760 Speaker 1: chaired by Senator Marco Rubio, who has come out as 1182 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: one of these staunchest China Hawks joining the Trump administration 1183 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,400 Speaker 1: and encouraging the Trump administration's actions against the Chinese. His 1184 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,439 Speaker 1: committee put out a report called MAIDE in China twenty 1185 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 1: twenty five and the Future of American Industry. A MAIDE 1186 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,040 Speaker 1: in China twenty twenty five is all about Chinese dominance 1187 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,439 Speaker 1: in manufacturing and industry. And of course the way they 1188 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,360 Speaker 1: do that is, in part is by cheating when it 1189 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: comes to trade, is by economic espionage, is by enforcing terms. 1190 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,719 Speaker 1: When it comes to our dealings with them, they're completely 1191 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,400 Speaker 1: one sided and go in their direction. And what this 1192 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,479 Speaker 1: report lays out, and I'll quote in part from it, 1193 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: is the MAIDE in China twenty twenty five Industrial Plan 1194 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,440 Speaker 1: targets ten high value industrial sectors for global dominance, demonstrates 1195 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,559 Speaker 1: that the Chinese government is doing more than merely breaking 1196 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the rules. It is seeking to set new terms for 1197 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:23,000 Speaker 1: international economic competition. Evaluating the MAIDE in China twenty twenty 1198 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,680 Speaker 1: five Plans should contribute to the American policy framework in 1199 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: two ways. First, assessing the plan's particular goals and progress 1200 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: toward them can identify areas for defensive action. Second, comparing 1201 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,000 Speaker 1: areas of China success to America's relative decline can help 1202 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,439 Speaker 1: identify areas for creative reform. China has a direction that 1203 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,240 Speaker 1: they're going when it comes to manufacturing and industry. We're 1204 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,560 Speaker 1: playing defense right now. We're just starting to identify the 1205 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: scale of these Chinese efforts and their intent, which is 1206 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,679 Speaker 1: ultimately to undermine us. Last point I'll point out, Senate 1207 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations just released a report that I 1208 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,160 Speaker 1: urge you to look at. It's called China's Impact on 1209 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,559 Speaker 1: the US Education System and represents perhaps the most extensive 1210 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,040 Speaker 1: investigation to date of confucious institutes. What are confucious institutes? 1211 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 1: Will their Communist Party backed educational so called cross cultural 1212 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,519 Speaker 1: exchange programs, backed with Chinese money, oftentimes with Chinese Communist 1213 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,679 Speaker 1: Party approved professors who go to US universities and they teach, 1214 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 1: and of course, naturally, when you look at what they teach, 1215 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,200 Speaker 1: it's a completely one sided pro Chinese Communist curriculum. And 1216 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 1: actually FBI Director Ray has indicated that there may be 1217 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: espionage associated with these so called educational programs, including spying 1218 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,360 Speaker 1: on Chinese nationals who are here. So it's not just 1219 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,360 Speaker 1: necessarily collecting information that might be useful from US universities, 1220 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,960 Speaker 1: but it's even inspiring on what they consider their own 1221 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,080 Speaker 1: people and threatening them. And this report goes into great 1222 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,799 Speaker 1: detail about the size, scope and sale of these activities. 1223 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 1: And we're talking hundreds of these across the US. We're 1224 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: also talking hundreds of millions of dollars that China has 1225 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,880 Speaker 1: put into this. This is real foreign influence. This is 1226 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: foreign meadowing in US society when you have a foreign path, 1227 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 1: our adversarial putting millions of hours into our academic institutions 1228 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:08,080 Speaker 1: to advocate for literally the party line, the Chinese Communist 1229 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,240 Speaker 1: party line. When we come back, we'll talk with Stephen 1230 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Yates about China, North Korea, and a whole bunch of 1231 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,639 Speaker 1: other goings on in the region. This has been weangarten 1232 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: in four Buck Sex and eight four four nine zero 1233 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 1: zero Buck. That's eight four zero zero two eight two five. 1234 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,800 Speaker 1: They wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety, and we 1235 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,920 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. They were willing to denuke a large 1236 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 1: portion of the errors that we wanted, but we couldn't 1237 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,160 Speaker 1: give up all of the sanctions for that. So we 1238 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,200 Speaker 1: continue to work and we'll see, but we had to 1239 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,040 Speaker 1: walk away from that. I think we'll end up being 1240 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,479 Speaker 1: very good friends with Chairman Kim and with North Korea. 1241 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 1: And I think they have tremendous potential. I've been telling 1242 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: everybody they have tremendous potential, unbelievable potential. But we're going 1243 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: to see. But it was about sanctions. I mean, they 1244 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 1: wanted sanctions lifted, but they weren't willing to do an 1245 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 1: area that we want. That was President Trump talking about 1246 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,600 Speaker 1: his negotiations with North Korean leader Kim Jong un, and 1247 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,320 Speaker 1: clearly to the disappointment of many in the media who 1248 01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,640 Speaker 1: wanted to say that Trump made a horrendous deal, as 1249 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: sad as it is to say, but you could see 1250 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 1: that in their reactions. Trump, in my view, rightly walked 1251 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,200 Speaker 1: away from the table from a horrible deal when it 1252 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 1: comes to the US national interest. Today, we're going to 1253 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,600 Speaker 1: speak with Steve Yates about both North Korea trade negotiations 1254 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,960 Speaker 1: and more broadly, the Trump administration's China policy. And Steve 1255 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: joins US now. He's an expert on Asian politics, geopolitics, 1256 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,639 Speaker 1: and perhaps most notably, the former deputy National Security advisor 1257 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,080 Speaker 1: to Vice President Dick Cheney from two thousand and one 1258 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,560 Speaker 1: to two thousand and five. You can follow him on 1259 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,640 Speaker 1: Twitter at Yates d CIA. Steve, thanks so much for 1260 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: joining us. A pleasure to be with you. Well, let's 1261 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,479 Speaker 1: start in North Korea. And the vital question when it 1262 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,960 Speaker 1: comes to all of these negotiations is what does Kim 1263 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Jong un actually want to achieve? So I asked that 1264 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: question to you, what does he want? It's a fair question, 1265 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: but I think before you even get to that, I 1266 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,559 Speaker 1: think there's a couple of things that are long term 1267 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,320 Speaker 1: issues where people are experts, pundits and sometimes foreign leader's mistake, 1268 01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,360 Speaker 1: where our president thinks he wants to go and how 1269 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 1: he's going to get there. And I think we've seen 1270 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,439 Speaker 1: in this instance another example of people making long term 1271 01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 1: assumptions based on short term tactics by our president, and 1272 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 1: just as they have been in for several years now, 1273 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,280 Speaker 1: they're likely to be wrong. And so the on again, 1274 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: off again summits and walking away from the table. It's 1275 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,600 Speaker 1: part of what this president does in his negotiations, and 1276 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,040 Speaker 1: sooner or later people will figure it out. North Korea, 1277 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: the best we can tell, this is one of the 1278 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,719 Speaker 1: most isolated parts of the planet. It wants some sense 1279 01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,640 Speaker 1: of connection with the outside world, but too much in 1280 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,800 Speaker 1: its own country, still has total control, and it wants 1281 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,639 Speaker 1: easing of sanctions which affect its ruling class more than 1282 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,080 Speaker 1: its people. And it wants the US to remove its 1283 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,479 Speaker 1: forces from the Korean Peninsula, somewhat lessening the security threat 1284 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: it perceives. So those have been basic elements that they've 1285 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:26,280 Speaker 1: been talking about for three two term US presidents of Clinton, 1286 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 1: Bush and Obama in different ways, and all of those 1287 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:35,840 Speaker 1: conventional approaches to diplomacy, and those administrations failed to change 1288 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,519 Speaker 1: the direction North Korea was going. Hence we have it 1289 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and a different approach to these talks. Kim 1290 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Jong UN's predecessor, his father, Kim Jong il, left a 1291 01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,400 Speaker 1: last will and testament, at least parts of which have 1292 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,360 Speaker 1: been disseminated publicly. And in that last will and testament, 1293 01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,240 Speaker 1: he laid out a strategy to essentially use nuclear weapons 1294 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,599 Speaker 1: as in some sense a bargaining chip, with the ultimate 1295 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: goal of reunification of the Korean Peninsula, presumably under communist role, 1296 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,400 Speaker 1: So a Korean peninsula where North Korea is the dominant 1297 01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,000 Speaker 1: power there. Obviously, in South Korea we have an administration 1298 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,040 Speaker 1: which is somewhat more favorably disposed towards the North Koreans 1299 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,559 Speaker 1: than those in the past. Do you think that Kim 1300 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Jong un ultimately wants reunification as his number one goal? 1301 01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I think that is their dream, and I think in 1302 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:28,200 Speaker 1: the North Korean propaganda world, they believe their dream, but 1303 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,320 Speaker 1: it only takes a few seconds of awareness of what 1304 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: reality is in North Korea. Even some skeptical journalists have 1305 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,280 Speaker 1: been able to go from time to time, and some 1306 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,760 Speaker 1: health ministries like the Graham Ministries have been able to 1307 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,960 Speaker 1: go to hospitals get a glimpse, and it's so different. 1308 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,760 Speaker 1: It's the most pulverized polity on the planet. There's no 1309 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,439 Speaker 1: way there's going to be any meaningful unification like East 1310 01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,479 Speaker 1: and West Germany at the end of the Cold War 1311 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,320 Speaker 1: anytime soon. And so they do have that dream. They 1312 01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: do see themselves as on the winning side of this, 1313 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,559 Speaker 1: and South Koreans, for the most part, they for many 1314 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,920 Speaker 1: decades had the same dream, but with them on top 1315 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,880 Speaker 1: of it, and in recent decades they've kind of come 1316 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:19,400 Speaker 1: to the conclusion of this would be extremely costly, extremely risky, 1317 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,840 Speaker 1: and just because we're technically all Koreans were totally different 1318 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,840 Speaker 1: than these people now. And so I think there's been 1319 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,559 Speaker 1: this desire to give piece a chance on the South, 1320 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,240 Speaker 1: but not necessarily wanting unification and having to deal with 1321 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 1: the cultural and economic deadweight that North Korea would be 1322 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,759 Speaker 1: for them. Absent the credible threat of a real imminent 1323 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,759 Speaker 1: attack to Kim Jong Gun's regime or a sanctions regime 1324 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,400 Speaker 1: that is so airtight that it is literally completely starved 1325 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 1: for capital, how are we not to assume that Kim 1326 01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Jong gun will continue to try to play us off 1327 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,439 Speaker 1: with negotiations and bite his time because he knows the 1328 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: reality that at most Donald Trump has six years left, 1329 01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,960 Speaker 1: whereas Kim Jong gun is leader for life absent some 1330 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,960 Speaker 1: sort of coup. Well, I think there's a heavy, heavy 1331 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,800 Speaker 1: reality in what you described, and you know, sort of. 1332 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,640 Speaker 1: When I first went into government, I was told that 1333 01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,519 Speaker 1: the easiest answer for a government lawyer to give when 1334 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,200 Speaker 1: asked the question is no, and the easiest assumption when 1335 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,720 Speaker 1: wondering about changes in fundamental policy or direction of the 1336 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: countries is also know that these regimes linger longer than 1337 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,080 Speaker 1: anyone would like, and sometimes are even forecast. In the 1338 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,920 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, I was on the receiving end of some 1339 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,560 Speaker 1: public but also some internal government reports that forecast the 1340 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:55,880 Speaker 1: imminent collapse of North Korea. Tons of evidence, very high confidence, 1341 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,280 Speaker 1: and obviously we're two decades later and they're still there. 1342 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,280 Speaker 1: So I think the odds are he stays in this, 1343 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:07,439 Speaker 1: and so I think somewhat rationally, the president's strategy is 1344 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 1: to do what is necessary to mitigate the threats that 1345 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: get beyond the peninsula. So his approach to this, whether 1346 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,040 Speaker 1: by coincidence, dumb luck, designed, whatever it is, have resulted 1347 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,120 Speaker 1: in many viewers. In other words, none of the provocations 1348 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,600 Speaker 1: that occurred during the Obama administration when they were not 1349 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,960 Speaker 1: engaging in talks, and he's still avoided the major concessions 1350 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,479 Speaker 1: with a lot of money and other kinds of changes 1351 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,640 Speaker 1: that were put forward under the Clinton and Bush administrations. 1352 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,240 Speaker 1: So for now I think he's been threading that needle. 1353 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it's been a mistake to try to 1354 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,360 Speaker 1: hold out the Vietnam economic development model as something for 1355 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,640 Speaker 1: a North Korean to possibly understand and maybe aspire to, 1356 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,960 Speaker 1: because they're not going to become sole They could march 1357 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: in the direction of a reformed communist economy, and that's 1358 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,240 Speaker 1: what Vietnam has been. If you accept the premise that 1359 01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,599 Speaker 1: North Korea is in some sense a proxy of China 1360 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,559 Speaker 1: and probably does not make any major decision without serious 1361 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:16,479 Speaker 1: consultation with Shia's regime. Given that background, do we believe 1362 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,160 Speaker 1: that stepping away from the table impacts talks with China 1363 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 1: and She? I believe it does. But I also believe 1364 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,760 Speaker 1: that was the president's intent. It was conspicuous that he 1365 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,360 Speaker 1: made direct mention of the trade talks and the fact 1366 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,880 Speaker 1: that what he was doing and annoy by getting together 1367 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,599 Speaker 1: and meeting and putting cards space up on the table, 1368 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,120 Speaker 1: saying publicly how much positive rapport there are is between 1369 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 1: the two leaders, and yet they had demands that we 1370 01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,920 Speaker 1: couldn't accept and so it's a bad deal. I'm going 1371 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,120 Speaker 1: to walk away. And he made a direct reference to 1372 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,000 Speaker 1: the coming conversation with Shijingping that is supposed to be 1373 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,559 Speaker 1: at Mara Lago soon and that he would be prepared 1374 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,720 Speaker 1: to take this same approach. She's got fabulous rapport, was 1375 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,240 Speaker 1: she temping? Supposedly something that I find hard to understand, 1376 01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,760 Speaker 1: given that I don't believe that communist leaders have a 1377 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,120 Speaker 1: soul with which to have rapport, But the President is 1378 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,240 Speaker 1: playing that part, and I think it was a strong 1379 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,320 Speaker 1: positive signal. Now we have to see what he does. 1380 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,760 Speaker 1: But best I can tell, the administration is looking for 1381 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:27,440 Speaker 1: a framework for long term negotiations on trade, not believing 1382 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: that they're going to get a quick hit on China 1383 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,519 Speaker 1: trade that's going to solve the problem. And in that regard, 1384 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: it's the same as North Korea goes without saying how 1385 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,920 Speaker 1: vital trade is between the US, the number one economic 1386 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,840 Speaker 1: power in the world, and China at number two. Do 1387 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,639 Speaker 1: you see the trade negotiations as I do, as one part, 1388 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,479 Speaker 1: one facet, albeit a very big one, of a much 1389 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,360 Speaker 1: more comprehensive pushback in some sense, overturning almost fifty years 1390 01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:58,439 Speaker 1: of US policy visa each China pushing back on both 1391 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to law enforcement, and that is indictments 1392 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,400 Speaker 1: over espionage and other malign acts of the Chinese in 1393 01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,960 Speaker 1: the US, a military build up, rhetorical and then also 1394 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,560 Speaker 1: substantive policy issues where we are comprehensively pushing back. Is 1395 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,479 Speaker 1: trade just one facet of a comprehensive plan in your view? 1396 01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: So I deeply hold that view that the trade negotiations 1397 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,479 Speaker 1: are very important. They're fundamentally much much more important to 1398 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,920 Speaker 1: China than the art of the United States, And I 1399 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,879 Speaker 1: think we might have the first administration in my lifetime 1400 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,320 Speaker 1: that fully understands that, or at least partially understands that. 1401 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,360 Speaker 1: But China's economic dependence on the United States is a 1402 01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:42,599 Speaker 1: sizable proportion of its total GDP. For the United States, 1403 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:47,280 Speaker 1: our interaction with China is like half a percent of GDP, 1404 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,000 Speaker 1: and you know, we don't want to lose that. Willy nilly, 1405 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that kind of a change matters. It will be felt, 1406 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: but it's far from fundamental. And so we have a 1407 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,760 Speaker 1: negotiating position of strength, and it's good that we have 1408 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,760 Speaker 1: some sense of that and engage in the conversation. But 1409 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,880 Speaker 1: whether it's beginning with Vice President Pence's speech at the 1410 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,440 Speaker 1: Hudson Institute last October, but I've had interactions with Australian 1411 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,000 Speaker 1: senior leaders and Japanese senior leaders, and even some European 1412 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 1: senior leaders, and now even our friends in the Great 1413 01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,800 Speaker 1: White North in Canada. There's a fundamentally different conversation about 1414 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,759 Speaker 1: China today because we don't just look at the threats 1415 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:30,439 Speaker 1: that are happening inside their country or international relations, but they, 1416 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 1: under the Communist Party's rule, are interfering with the fundamental 1417 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:39,479 Speaker 1: institutions of our nations. Our education, systems, our media, and 1418 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,800 Speaker 1: our political systems, and I think for the first time 1419 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 1: in most of my career, they're not getting a complete pass. 1420 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,479 Speaker 1: Nothing big has really been done to change it. Yet 1421 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:54,000 Speaker 1: they've been called out on the Huawei technology issues and 1422 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,400 Speaker 1: five G and sanctions busting when it comes to Iran. 1423 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,360 Speaker 1: So we're at the beginning of this law conversation, and 1424 01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm very very heartened that the conversation is taking place 1425 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,759 Speaker 1: beyond just the usual lobbying halls about trade or no trade. 1426 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:14,200 Speaker 1: It's a bigger strategic issue, and it's kind of bothered 1427 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,320 Speaker 1: me that people have talked about the Cold War being 1428 01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,040 Speaker 1: over in the early nineteen nineties when a very large 1429 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,040 Speaker 1: communist party plays a furious role in global strategy. Today, 1430 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,280 Speaker 1: there's a substantial challenge for the administration, which is that 1431 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,840 Speaker 1: long term, China, I think clearly does represent the biggest 1432 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,080 Speaker 1: geopolitical threat to America, But in the short term, financial 1433 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,360 Speaker 1: markets and many in the business community hit the sort 1434 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,200 Speaker 1: of punitive policy that the Trump administration has taken to 1435 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,840 Speaker 1: develop the leverage to actually have hopefully beneficial negotiations. If 1436 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,680 Speaker 1: you were counseling the president, how would you suggest that 1437 01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,479 Speaker 1: he deals with the competing tensions of needing to keep 1438 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,920 Speaker 1: the pressure on China, which has had real impact internally 1439 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,599 Speaker 1: in China, but also dealing with the fact that financial 1440 01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,840 Speaker 1: markets don't necessarily like it, and he's going to be 1441 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,560 Speaker 1: the ballot in two years, you know. I think that 1442 01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,040 Speaker 1: the administration's team at the at the highest levels are 1443 01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,240 Speaker 1: very sensitive to this and very aware of it. Now. 1444 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't mislead to say that I have been brought 1445 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,160 Speaker 1: into multiple inside conversations and this is what I hear 1446 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,479 Speaker 1: firsthand in those multiple conversations. But but my dealings with them, 1447 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,519 Speaker 1: uh indicate that they that they basically have somewhat of 1448 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,400 Speaker 1: a divide and conquer communications strategy, which is hard in 1449 01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,759 Speaker 1: this day and age that everything goes out into different 1450 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,479 Speaker 1: medium and blurs together. But they've been They've been messaging 1451 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,080 Speaker 1: to Wall Street their intent, which they mean to try 1452 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,040 Speaker 1: to make some real progress and rebalancing the US China 1453 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: economic relationship. And I think that they have worked into 1454 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: their communications somewhat an element that I believe strongly in 1455 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,320 Speaker 1: that I have a great respect for the history of 1456 01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,600 Speaker 1: China and for the people of China. Don't think that 1457 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,880 Speaker 1: the policies we stand for, our anti China. That's what 1458 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,479 Speaker 1: the Communist Party wants to parlay out there to keep 1459 01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,240 Speaker 1: us from being able to do anything to protect our 1460 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,680 Speaker 1: own interests. It's the Communist Party that's the problem. That's 1461 01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,639 Speaker 1: the one percent of China that dominates the ninety nine 1462 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,640 Speaker 1: percent of the rest of the Chinese. And that one 1463 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,840 Speaker 1: percent is the one that has denied their culture and 1464 01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,000 Speaker 1: their heritage and broken their fundamental institutions of family and 1465 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,439 Speaker 1: faith and other things that were valuable parts of the 1466 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,519 Speaker 1: historical Chinese experience. And so well, that's a big nugget 1467 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,160 Speaker 1: to get out there in the public. There are elements, 1468 01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,760 Speaker 1: I think of the administrations. They understand this. So they 1469 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,240 Speaker 1: speak to the Wall Street which they're familiar with, and 1470 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240 Speaker 1: they have people on the team that talk every day 1471 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,040 Speaker 1: with leading influencers up there to try to make sure 1472 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,439 Speaker 1: that they understand we are going to try for outcomes. 1473 01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,200 Speaker 1: This isn't just an all out war for the sake 1474 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,320 Speaker 1: of war. When it comes to talk of trade, it's 1475 01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,200 Speaker 1: a rebalancing with a purpose, and we should benefit from it, 1476 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,840 Speaker 1: and so should the Chinese people. It's done right. And secondarily, 1477 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,080 Speaker 1: they so far have remained committed to keeping elements of 1478 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,719 Speaker 1: pressure in place. There's some of you know, they've delayed 1479 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the escalation of earths from from ten and fifteen percent 1480 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,960 Speaker 1: up to twenty five. But that's for a time and 1481 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,880 Speaker 1: I think if as the President has to walk away 1482 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,599 Speaker 1: from the next round of talks about meaningful progress, those 1483 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,679 Speaker 1: things will come into play and he'll keep the leverage 1484 01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,880 Speaker 1: going into the election cycle. He can't afford to go 1485 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,080 Speaker 1: soft on this, in my estimation, and hold the electoral 1486 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,160 Speaker 1: college coalition he had in the rust belt states. That 1487 01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,760 Speaker 1: was a big change in twenty sixteen and it made 1488 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,360 Speaker 1: a strategic difference politically. Steve, we're gonna have to leave 1489 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,200 Speaker 1: it right there. Thank you so much for coming on. 1490 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,240 Speaker 1: We've been speaking with Steve Yates. You can follow on 1491 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,320 Speaker 1: Twitter at Yates DCIA. Thanks so much for coming on, 1492 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:54,840 Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you. This is Ben Weingarten in for 1493 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton on the Buck Sexton Show. Eight four four 1494 01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,559 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. Buck, that's eight four four nine zero 1495 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,640 Speaker 1: zero to eight to five. Lines are open, all right. 1496 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,559 Speaker 1: We just spoke with Steve Yates, former deputy National Security 1497 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,120 Speaker 1: advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney and someone who I 1498 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:16,360 Speaker 1: would say has a tremendous grasp on the situation in Asia, 1499 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,320 Speaker 1: this battle that's going on right now between the Chinese 1500 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,400 Speaker 1: and their proxies, namely North Korea and then all of 1501 01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the other nations, and the US has been working to 1502 01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,680 Speaker 1: align itself with these other nations and start to comprehensively 1503 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,160 Speaker 1: counter China. And you know, for years, for decades and decades, 1504 01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,040 Speaker 1: we were told about China's peaceful rise. This relationship was 1505 01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,519 Speaker 1: open with Richard Nixon back in the seventies, and the 1506 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,120 Speaker 1: idea was that China would get rich alongside the US. 1507 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,280 Speaker 1: This would be in both of our interest. Economic liberalization 1508 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:57,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote would lead to political liberalization. Well, everything that 1509 01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,360 Speaker 1: we've seen since Tianamen Square in nineteen eighty nine proves 1510 01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,360 Speaker 1: that that was pure folly. And guess what, the Chinese 1511 01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,839 Speaker 1: Communist Party doesn't necessarily want to be a peaceful trade partner. Essentially, 1512 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,920 Speaker 1: what we have helped to do is build China's economy. 1513 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,760 Speaker 1: And it's not just through anything resembling free trade or 1514 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,080 Speaker 1: fair trade. It's through stolen intellectual property and the parts 1515 01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:22,799 Speaker 1: of the Chinese. It's your economic espionage, it's unfair trade dealings, 1516 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,120 Speaker 1: it's your cyber attacks, it's through them killing out our 1517 01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:30,840 Speaker 1: intelligence officers, literally, it's through the biggest attack in US history, 1518 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: cyber attack in US history, the Office of Personnel and Management, 1519 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,519 Speaker 1: where essentially China stole the files of more than twenty 1520 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:45,879 Speaker 1: million supposedly government employees, the most sensitive information, the documents 1521 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,800 Speaker 1: they fill out to try to get a government job 1522 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,000 Speaker 1: when there's a national security implication, there's an investigation, a 1523 01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,400 Speaker 1: substantial background check, and we're talking hundred plus pages background check. 1524 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,759 Speaker 1: China hack that information and it gave them a tremendous advantage. 1525 01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Trump has challenged this notion of China's peaceful rise. It's 1526 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,879 Speaker 1: said in his National Security Strategy in twenty seventeen economic 1527 01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,200 Speaker 1: liberalization has not led to political liberalization. We're actually a 1528 01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,400 Speaker 1: strategic competitor of China, and it's maybe even more ramped 1529 01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,240 Speaker 1: up than that. And we've seen a comprehensive effort by 1530 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,760 Speaker 1: the Trump administration to start to push back on this. 1531 01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,559 Speaker 1: And with my next guest, we'll talk about some more 1532 01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,479 Speaker 1: things that the Trump administration has pointed out about the 1533 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,800 Speaker 1: failure of our elites and how detrimental it's been to 1534 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,479 Speaker 1: our national interest. This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck 1535 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,519 Speaker 1: Sexon on The Buck Sexton Show eight four four nine 1536 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,599 Speaker 1: zero zero Buck. That's eight four four nine zero zero 1537 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:44,599 Speaker 1: two eight two five Back in just a moment, Welcome 1538 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 1: back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Weinegarten 1539 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,960 Speaker 1: in four buck Sexton lines are open eight four four 1540 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,559 Speaker 1: nine zero zero Buck. That's eight four four nine zero 1541 01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,680 Speaker 1: zero two eight two five. Or We've talked a lot 1542 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,560 Speaker 1: this evening, in particular an hour one about the deficiencies 1543 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:05,240 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, both ideologically and tactically, but at 1544 01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,519 Speaker 1: the same time the world is in some ways also 1545 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:12,000 Speaker 1: going their way now. In January, Tucker Carlson set the 1546 01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Republican intellectual world ablaze by articulating in a sense why 1547 01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,599 Speaker 1: Trump won, namely that he called out a failed intellectual elite, 1548 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,000 Speaker 1: a failed ruling class, starting with Mitt Romney, and this 1549 01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,920 Speaker 1: was in response in part to Mitt Romney's anti Trump 1550 01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,240 Speaker 1: editorial in the Washington Post, and what Tucker rays were 1551 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,240 Speaker 1: many failings of the elite, starting with the fact that 1552 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,680 Speaker 1: they're not really ruling for the common good anymore so 1553 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,840 Speaker 1: much as the good of third world nations or feel 1554 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:43,280 Speaker 1: good policies that make them feel as if they're virtuous 1555 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,559 Speaker 1: and compassionate people, regardless of the outcomes for their supposed 1556 01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,920 Speaker 1: beneficiaries while they continue to enrich themselves and a crew 1557 01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 1: more power. Doctor Matt Peterson has written extensively about this. 1558 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,679 Speaker 1: He's the vice president of Education at the Claremont Institute 1559 01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,040 Speaker 1: and editor of the American Mind, and he wrote the 1560 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,720 Speaker 1: piece at that new website, The American Mind, where he 1561 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,280 Speaker 1: argues Tucker Carlson is right now. Full disclosure before we 1562 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,920 Speaker 1: jump in. I'm a publious fellow at the Cremin Institute, 1563 01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,760 Speaker 1: and I continue to do work with them because I 1564 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,640 Speaker 1: think they're a great institution that's doing God's work and 1565 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,360 Speaker 1: trying to restore America's founding principles. Doctor Peterson, thanks so 1566 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,680 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thank you so much for that introduction. 1567 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,800 Speaker 1: Then thanks well, it's my pleasure and thank you for 1568 01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,120 Speaker 1: writing this piece. Let's start at the highest level, which 1569 01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,320 Speaker 1: is how, in your view, have our elites found us? 1570 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,439 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, so there's so many ways. I mean, I 1571 01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,759 Speaker 1: would start, though, with a misunderstanding of American principles and purpose. 1572 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,200 Speaker 1: The first failing you'd have to talk about is that 1573 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,840 Speaker 1: the education of our elites fails to understand and distinguish 1574 01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,799 Speaker 1: what is distinctive about America and what American the American 1575 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,120 Speaker 1: principles of government aren't therefore what we ought to be 1576 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,160 Speaker 1: aiming at. What's the purpose? And so what you have 1577 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,800 Speaker 1: what you see in elite society is an unwillingness or 1578 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,840 Speaker 1: an aura culture that is very reluctant to embrace something 1579 01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,280 Speaker 1: distinctly American. And it's much more apt to say what's 1580 01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:14,680 Speaker 1: wrong with America? Right, And it's the suspicious of patriotism. 1581 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,760 Speaker 1: I would start there. And then the problem is that 1582 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,160 Speaker 1: outside of that, if you don't have a way to 1583 01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,960 Speaker 1: be a patriotic elite, or you're not taught what the 1584 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 1: principles and purposes of your government are, you then descend 1585 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,880 Speaker 1: to self interest. Right. The only other thing you have 1586 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,080 Speaker 1: in the academy is self interest or some form of 1587 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:37,760 Speaker 1: then social justice woke doctrine. Right. So this is an 1588 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,720 Speaker 1: enormous problem. It's been going on for a long time. 1589 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,960 Speaker 1: It's been building for a long time. But what you 1590 01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,440 Speaker 1: see now are people like Tucker talking about it explicitly 1591 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,720 Speaker 1: on the right in ways that really no one has 1592 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,720 Speaker 1: for some time. There's a political element, of course, but 1593 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,040 Speaker 1: if you believe that politics is downstream from the culture, 1594 01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,720 Speaker 1: part of what comes out of our elites are sort 1595 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,639 Speaker 1: of norms governing practices for how to live your life, 1596 01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:06,639 Speaker 1: and that comes well before we talk about policies. Charles Murray, 1597 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,360 Speaker 1: whose work I'm sure you're very well familiar with, talks 1598 01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,200 Speaker 1: about in one of his books the idea that the 1599 01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,439 Speaker 1: elites don't preach what they practice. In other words, they 1600 01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,960 Speaker 1: sort of promote and anything goes progressive utopic sort of 1601 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,439 Speaker 1: worldview where they reject the traditional values and principles on 1602 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,439 Speaker 1: which our entire civilization is based. But then in their 1603 01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,560 Speaker 1: own wives they live very conventionally and they really do 1604 01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:35,000 Speaker 1: a disservice when they exhibit certain behavior in their rhetoric 1605 01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,200 Speaker 1: and other behavior in their private life. Do you think 1606 01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,519 Speaker 1: that factors into the sort of Tucker thesis and your 1607 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,240 Speaker 1: view as well. Oh? Absolutely, I think Tucker is one 1608 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,960 Speaker 1: hundred percent writer about this, And obviously Charles Murray has 1609 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,200 Speaker 1: spearheaded that the proof of this in very real and 1610 01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,240 Speaker 1: damning social science. So what you see is that when 1611 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,720 Speaker 1: you are a member of the elite, you're reluctant to 1612 01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,880 Speaker 1: adopt any policy that actively promotes the health of the family. 1613 01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:07,320 Speaker 1: At the same time that you know, because of your station, 1614 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,080 Speaker 1: you know that getting married is a good idea of 1615 01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,799 Speaker 1: staying married is a good idea. Marriage is much healthier 1616 01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,839 Speaker 1: among elites than it is among the rest of society. 1617 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,360 Speaker 1: And so this is where Tucker really made his mark. 1618 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:25,519 Speaker 1: This is why Tucker's monologue resignated throughout the country. What 1619 01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,880 Speaker 1: he said was this is quote, culture and economics are 1620 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:34,040 Speaker 1: inseparably intertwined. Certain economic systems allow families to thrive, and 1621 01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,360 Speaker 1: thriving families make market economies possible. That's what he said. 1622 01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,560 Speaker 1: And so what he did is do something different. He said, no, no, no, 1623 01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,639 Speaker 1: you can't just treat policy is is it's separate from 1624 01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,840 Speaker 1: the promotion or the denigration of the family. Economics is 1625 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,440 Speaker 1: it used to be called used called political economy. Economics 1626 01:35:53,560 --> 01:36:00,880 Speaker 1: is necessarily tied to morality and to promote certain kinds 1627 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,519 Speaker 1: of behavior and rewarding it and punishing other kinds of 1628 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,920 Speaker 1: behavior or discouraging it. And I don't really think that 1629 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,880 Speaker 1: this should be controversial, but unfortunately a lot of rhetoric 1630 01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,559 Speaker 1: on the right that we're just used to, that we've 1631 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,840 Speaker 1: adopted over the last few decades, makes it controversial to 1632 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,560 Speaker 1: say these things. I think it's kind of a truism 1633 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:24,720 Speaker 1: that an economy derives from a culture and Embedded in that, 1634 01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,080 Speaker 1: to your point, is the idea that morality matters, and 1635 01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:31,240 Speaker 1: it clearly functions in a free market, and a capitalist 1636 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,320 Speaker 1: system doesn't just arise out of nowhere otherwise, you know, 1637 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,880 Speaker 1: the people who had claimed that China, for example, would 1638 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,679 Speaker 1: become economic would become politically liberal and socially liberal because 1639 01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,120 Speaker 1: it's economically liberal, they would have been proven right if 1640 01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,439 Speaker 1: it was that economics decided. But actually it's the other 1641 01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,880 Speaker 1: way around, and it starts with people and their own 1642 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,760 Speaker 1: voluntary actions. Now, the criticism of Tucker's piece, and you 1643 01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,760 Speaker 1: deal with this in your piece as well, is that 1644 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,160 Speaker 1: if the free market leads to certain disasters in society, 1645 01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,560 Speaker 1: creative destruction implies both not only creation but also destruction, 1646 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,920 Speaker 1: and there's real societal costs to that. Then is Tucker arguing, 1647 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,280 Speaker 1: and are folks like you who support his argument then 1648 01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,920 Speaker 1: arguing that we should sort of rebel against the free 1649 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,120 Speaker 1: market in some ways because there are societal losses in 1650 01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:19,960 Speaker 1: free market systems as well. I think it's a matter 1651 01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,640 Speaker 1: of priority. I think I think the best way to 1652 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:29,240 Speaker 1: understand it is that even make sure it does desire 1653 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,400 Speaker 1: a free market in a sense that we do have 1654 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,599 Speaker 1: a drive within us right to be creative, to take 1655 01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:40,160 Speaker 1: initiative to buy and sell things amongst ourselves, the fourth 1656 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,479 Speaker 1: and so on. But in order to do that, we 1657 01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,320 Speaker 1: need a governmental structure around it some way, but that 1658 01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:50,400 Speaker 1: the establishes kind of rules of the game and points 1659 01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,680 Speaker 1: us in certain directions as opposed to others. So let 1660 01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,280 Speaker 1: me give an example, because I understand absolutely why many 1661 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,200 Speaker 1: people might be listening saying I'm not sure what this 1662 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,200 Speaker 1: guy's talking about, or I don't know if I quite 1663 01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,320 Speaker 1: agree with Tucker. This sounds like, you know, some kind 1664 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,880 Speaker 1: of socialism kind of you know, great society typed out, 1665 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,600 Speaker 1: And this is not what we're talking about. It's not 1666 01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:13,439 Speaker 1: what Tucker's got talking about. Carlson said that our leaders 1667 01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:16,080 Speaker 1: should speak out against the ugliest parts of our financial 1668 01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,960 Speaker 1: system because not all commerce is good. Uh, some commerce 1669 01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,719 Speaker 1: is in fact harmful. And so what are the questions 1670 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,160 Speaker 1: he asked, was why is it why is it defensible 1671 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,360 Speaker 1: to loan people money, poor people money that they can't 1672 01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:33,840 Speaker 1: possibly repay, So take payday loan outlets and poor neighborhoods, right, 1673 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,960 Speaker 1: four hundred percent annual interests. This is this is this 1674 01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,720 Speaker 1: is a practice where you might raise a question mark 1675 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,000 Speaker 1: might I say, why is this commerce good? And in fact, 1676 01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:47,360 Speaker 1: in American history, Abraham Lincoln, when he first ran for office, said, 1677 01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, loaning money to poor people at exorbitant rates 1678 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:56,040 Speaker 1: of interest. In that idea, Noah Webster during the ratification debate, said, look, 1679 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,000 Speaker 1: you can't separate the morals of the people from the 1680 01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,640 Speaker 1: influence of money on men's sense of justice and moral obligation. 1681 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,960 Speaker 1: The law, you know, influences our habit, and we should 1682 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,559 Speaker 1: restrict credit to people who won't be able to pay 1683 01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,559 Speaker 1: money back in order really to encourage them to save 1684 01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,240 Speaker 1: and to be responsible. Now, I think that's a matter 1685 01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,880 Speaker 1: of common sense. But when you when you have a 1686 01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:25,280 Speaker 1: kind of a brittle conservative rhetoric, it really is libertarian 1687 01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,360 Speaker 1: in a way, right, that says, well, there's no connection. 1688 01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why people were upset with what 1689 01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,840 Speaker 1: Tucker was saying. But I think no Webster was right. 1690 01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,439 Speaker 1: Right laws to credit the poor people, they help encourage 1691 01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,599 Speaker 1: good behavior. So that that leads to a fundamental question, 1692 01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,880 Speaker 1: which is is it government's job in some way to 1693 01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,280 Speaker 1: promote virtue. People instantly sort of recoil when you talk 1694 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,439 Speaker 1: about should government be promoting certain moral as values and 1695 01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,320 Speaker 1: principles and not others. Do you believe that it is 1696 01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the fundamental job of government to do so well? I 1697 01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:06,080 Speaker 1: think that the first instinctual reaction of many older conservatives 1698 01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,640 Speaker 1: would be to say, what are you talking about? The 1699 01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,280 Speaker 1: Taliban had a department of virtue and vice, and the 1700 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,680 Speaker 1: last thing we do is last thing we want is 1701 01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:18,120 Speaker 1: to increase the power of the administrative state. And there 1702 01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,680 Speaker 1: are certainly a lot of truth to that. In a way, 1703 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,040 Speaker 1: I agree with that one hundred percent. At the same time, 1704 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:27,759 Speaker 1: we can't neglect what law is. And here the American 1705 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,519 Speaker 1: founders can help us out because they did not promote 1706 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,639 Speaker 1: a kind of great society where government interfered in every 1707 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,240 Speaker 1: part of people's lives. On the other hand, they did 1708 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,920 Speaker 1: not lie to themselves and think that law and policy 1709 01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,439 Speaker 1: on matters of numbers, right on matters of economic policy, 1710 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,720 Speaker 1: we're just kind of morally neutral. They knew that law 1711 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:52,200 Speaker 1: either encourages or discourages certain kinds of habit and certain 1712 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,400 Speaker 1: kind of kinds of behavior, and they didn't pretend otherwise. 1713 01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,719 Speaker 1: So the way I put it is, of course government 1714 01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:02,040 Speaker 1: and law can't reach inside people and make them virtuous. 1715 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,320 Speaker 1: That certainly is not something that law him do directly. 1716 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,599 Speaker 1: In fact, other institutions to be doing that much more 1717 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:15,679 Speaker 1: directly than government. On hand, I mean to reward certain 1718 01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,519 Speaker 1: kinds of behavior and encourage it right, certain kinds of 1719 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,280 Speaker 1: habits and ways of life, And it is to discourage 1720 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,920 Speaker 1: other kinds of habits and ways of life, and to 1721 01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:29,400 Speaker 1: pretend otherwise, I think is very dangerous. Where does Trump 1722 01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:34,320 Speaker 1: factor in in this thesis? I mentioned in my open 1723 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,200 Speaker 1: that in some sense what Tucker was explaining as why 1724 01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,840 Speaker 1: Trump won while the elites failed, he called them out 1725 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,280 Speaker 1: on it. What is the takeaway in terms of what 1726 01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,800 Speaker 1: the future of conservatism looks like? Is there something within 1727 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,120 Speaker 1: Trump that recognizes the problem and you can say, here 1728 01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,280 Speaker 1: are the sorts of policies that we might want to 1729 01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,879 Speaker 1: push for based upon what he saw in the electorate. 1730 01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,040 Speaker 1: So I guess one question, what does the future of 1731 01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,320 Speaker 1: conservatism look like? Too? Well, the Republican rank and file 1732 01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,880 Speaker 1: simply reject this out of hand and take the sort 1733 01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,080 Speaker 1: of view that, well, look, this was a blip in 1734 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:10,519 Speaker 1: US history. This president actually rejected everything that we show 1735 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,400 Speaker 1: it in our twenty twelve autopsy of why Mitt Romney 1736 01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:18,479 Speaker 1: lost and the status quo will ultimately prevail again, well, 1737 01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,040 Speaker 1: I certainly have the view that even though there are 1738 01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:29,000 Speaker 1: many people in Washington and elsewhere in power, you President Trump. 1739 01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:33,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they think that once President Trump leaves the scene, 1740 01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,680 Speaker 1: and of course they hope to force him out off 1741 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,400 Speaker 1: the scene, force him off the stage, they hope that 1742 01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,040 Speaker 1: things will go back to the way they were. And 1743 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,600 Speaker 1: I think this is a dangerous delusion as well. I 1744 01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,080 Speaker 1: don't think things are going to go back to the 1745 01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,880 Speaker 1: way they were. I think that what we're having is, 1746 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,920 Speaker 1: or what we should be having, is a very serious 1747 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,040 Speaker 1: debate about what is a matter of principle and what's 1748 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,000 Speaker 1: a matter of policy. So principles should be the things 1749 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,320 Speaker 1: that don't change, right, that that dictate what kind of 1750 01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:05,559 Speaker 1: policy we should propose given the circumstances. But policy changes 1751 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,479 Speaker 1: over time because we find ourselves in different circumstances. So, 1752 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, to give an example of I think what 1753 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:18,280 Speaker 1: Trump understands and what Trump can actually teach us, the 1754 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,160 Speaker 1: federalis papers. Let's go all the way back to the 1755 01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, the ratification of the US Constitution. Our founders 1756 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,599 Speaker 1: are very clear about this. Justice is the end of government. 1757 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,920 Speaker 1: And Charles Kessler, the editor of the Claremont Review Books 1758 01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,200 Speaker 1: warned of this twenty years ago. He said, conservatives avoid 1759 01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,960 Speaker 1: arguing about questions of justice whenever possible, And by then 1760 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:38,360 Speaker 1: I think he meant, you know, they like to argue 1761 01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:43,240 Speaker 1: about numbers in GDP and utilitarian kind of arguments of efficiency, 1762 01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:45,400 Speaker 1: and they don't want to argue about justice. In the meantime, 1763 01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,880 Speaker 1: the last talked about justice all the time, right, Social 1764 01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,519 Speaker 1: justice is their mantra. And so if we avoid arguing 1765 01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:56,120 Speaker 1: about questions, of arguing about political questions and talking about justice, 1766 01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,439 Speaker 1: we really are are essuing politics. Kessler said, a central 1767 01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,160 Speaker 1: issue is justice, and that's the problem. So the example 1768 01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:05,800 Speaker 1: I would give is a matter of rhetoric when it 1769 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:09,280 Speaker 1: comes to economic policy. Whatever the policy should be, we 1770 01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,879 Speaker 1: can debate about. We can debate about right with evidence 1771 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:15,000 Speaker 1: if we if we know Paris as an example, will 1772 01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:19,040 Speaker 1: this lead to the ends that we will think about 1773 01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,160 Speaker 1: the arguments that are going to win that resonate with people. 1774 01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:26,519 Speaker 1: Trump's argument economically, over and over again is I care 1775 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:31,240 Speaker 1: about our people. My purpose is to make their lives better. 1776 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,439 Speaker 1: And he's very clear about that. He's very very simple 1777 01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,120 Speaker 1: and stark language. Whereas conservatives are still in a way 1778 01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,479 Speaker 1: fighting the Cold War in their Mind. You know they're 1779 01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:42,880 Speaker 1: fighting is the Soviet Union, and they'll say things like, well, 1780 01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,640 Speaker 1: you know this is good because it's it's free, it 1781 01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,760 Speaker 1: leads to freedom and it's part of the free market. Well, 1782 01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:52,200 Speaker 1: freedom is good, right, but freedom needs to be justified 1783 01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:57,760 Speaker 1: because ultimately justice is the end of government. The name 1784 01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,880 Speaker 1: of the piece is Tucker Carlson is right. You can 1785 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,360 Speaker 1: find it at the American Mind and we've been speaking 1786 01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:06,240 Speaker 1: with its author, my friend, doctor Matt Peterson, vice president 1787 01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,360 Speaker 1: at the Clermont Institute and also the editor of the 1788 01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,080 Speaker 1: new website, The American Mind. Doctor Peterson, thanks so much 1789 01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,920 Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you so much for having me, 1790 01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,280 Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. This is Ben Winegarden in 1791 01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,280 Speaker 1: for Buck Sex and on the Buck sexon Show eight 1792 01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:21,599 Speaker 1: four four nine zero zero buck. That's eight four four 1793 01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:27,519 Speaker 1: nine zero zero two eight two five. All right, So 1794 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,640 Speaker 1: we're about to round out our three here on the 1795 01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,040 Speaker 1: Buck Sex and Show. And this has been Ben Winegarden 1796 01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,160 Speaker 1: in four Buck Sex and follow me on Twitter at 1797 01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,200 Speaker 1: bh Winegarden. Check on my website at ben Winegarden dot com. 1798 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,240 Speaker 1: In our last interview, we spoke about one thing that 1799 01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:44,600 Speaker 1: was very fundamental and it extends beyond any single presidency. 1800 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,800 Speaker 1: It's bigger than Donald Trump. It's bigger than Democrats and Republicans. Really, 1801 01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,439 Speaker 1: we talked about the fact that our elites have failed us, 1802 01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:55,719 Speaker 1: our ruling class has failed us, and that extends beyond 1803 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,960 Speaker 1: any one party. This outrage, this resistance, it extends beyond 1804 01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,280 Speaker 1: any one party, because really, what Donald Trump represents is 1805 01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,760 Speaker 1: a threat to the power of that failed, largely progressive, 1806 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,200 Speaker 1: bipartisan elite and a representation of what the American people 1807 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,800 Speaker 1: want and the American people being fed up with a 1808 01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:16,000 Speaker 1: so called group of representatives that don't actually represent them. 1809 01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:19,280 Speaker 1: So Trump, in my view, is a living, breathing symbol 1810 01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:23,000 Speaker 1: that they've failed. He's constructed a massive Trump Tower in 1811 01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,800 Speaker 1: their collective heads. Again, this goes beyond any one presidency, 1812 01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,519 Speaker 1: and it goes to the core of what our nation 1813 01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:32,360 Speaker 1: is built on, and that is the idea of consent 1814 01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,800 Speaker 1: of the governed. That is how our republic works. The resistance, 1815 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,760 Speaker 1: the outrage, the intransigence of our political class is in 1816 01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:45,920 Speaker 1: direct proportion to how strong his punchback has been against them. 1817 01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,560 Speaker 1: They hate him, they hate what he represents, because he 1818 01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:53,880 Speaker 1: represents their failure, and he represents you, you, deplorable Americans, 1819 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,719 Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't agree, anyone who dissents from the prevailing 1820 01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,680 Speaker 1: progressive orthodoxy. Finally, I just want to thank Buck sex 1821 01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,800 Speaker 1: and for having me on tonight. It's been a real 1822 01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,479 Speaker 1: honor and privilege. Hope you have a great weekend. Again, 1823 01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,440 Speaker 1: this is Ben Weegarten. Follow me on Twitter at Bhwinegarden 1824 01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,000 Speaker 1: and online at Benwegarden dot com. Thank you so much 1825 01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:12,880 Speaker 1: and have a great weekend.