Speaker 1: Welcome on it into the Command Center podcast. I'm Logan Paulson
Speaker 1: here with the very patriotic Fred Smoot and Santana Moss guys,
Speaker 1: and he plans for the fourth of July.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you a story. I almost went
Speaker 2: to the military.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Fred, You're like the most
Speaker 1: interesting man in the world. I feel like you have
Speaker 1: a And this is the thing about Fred. Listen, listeners,
Speaker 1: just dial this in. Fred knows a lot about everything,
Speaker 1: just to be just enough to be dangerous. And you
Speaker 1: gotta fact check everything, fat Fred says, because he's got
Speaker 1: enough file on stuff that you're like that could be true.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is true.
Speaker 3: I just say to doing his things in time, I
Speaker 3: want some Clint said, yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: I okay, it's true though. So you were in the military. No,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Okay, you wanted to be in
Speaker 1: the military. I think you've actually told me.
Speaker 4: Before football would have failed. I was headed to be
Speaker 4: a marine.
Speaker 1: Really, it'll strike me as a marine though, Why not?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if you've got that grint to you. Brother,
Speaker 1: I never met I never I've never met a marine
Speaker 1: that talks as much as y'all tell you that, I forget.
Speaker 4: What that would have made me private. I would have
Speaker 4: been a different private than they ever had. But if
Speaker 4: you're gonna go do something, why not do it at
Speaker 4: the top. And I got a chance to go to
Speaker 4: Quantico like two weeks ago. A week ago, I thought
Speaker 4: Cortico was one building.
Speaker 2: It's an entire town.
Speaker 1: It's a military base.
Speaker 2: It's beyond a base, but a military city.
Speaker 1: But that's what that's what basis are.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I have been to some of these bases around here,
Speaker 4: and they are they are relatively small.
Speaker 3: Europe bases are much different. I want to Germany and
Speaker 3: those basis was like.
Speaker 2: A time and that's what Cornico was. It was like Ashburn.
Speaker 4: So I think I was just always meant to be
Speaker 4: a part of a team dynamic like I was like.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why I chased the military. But
Speaker 4: what I really want to bring up am I the
Speaker 4: only person that cherished When I go to a good
Speaker 4: grill session, I want a hot dog, a hot dog.
Speaker 4: But now my kids shame me for eating hot dogs.
Speaker 4: They call them glizzies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a weird. That is a thing. Eat
Speaker 1: your hot talks, friend.
Speaker 3: They got a sand they got a saying, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure it's gonna get bleep.
Speaker 2: Kids.
Speaker 3: You can sit there and tell me what you want
Speaker 3: to tell me. But I'm gonna eat that hot dog.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put my ketchup and mouth on it and
Speaker 3: my relish and I'm enjoy it. A crossing my las
Speaker 3: at the same time while I'm doing my kids walk
Speaker 3: past me.
Speaker 2: My kids me laughing. Daddy got a glitzy in it.
Speaker 4: And it took me a long time to figure out
Speaker 4: what I had to call my other old friends keep
Speaker 4: talking about glizzes over that, like yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Like, do you know what that is? I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: do you know what it is?
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound good. Let me just say that, and
Speaker 1: is it podcast? Before you say it is a podcast friendly?
Speaker 2: It's nothing friendly?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm saying this, So let's just say you
Speaker 1: can look this up on your own, yes, and we'll
Speaker 1: figure it out.
Speaker 4: And if your kids talk about glizzes around you while
Speaker 4: you eating a hot dog, you out of one on front.
Speaker 1: Right, Yep, yep, that's exactly right. So so we talked
Speaker 1: about hot dogs. Do you actually have plans for Fourth
Speaker 1: of July? That was my initial question, and we learned
Speaker 1: all about your history with the military and hot dogs.
Speaker 4: The history I didn't help with the Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: going to Esst Festival. That's where I go every year,
Speaker 4: me and my friend. This is our guys trip. We've
Speaker 4: been doing it since college. The Essay Festival is where
Speaker 4: they go in New Orleans. They have all these concerts
Speaker 4: beyond say everybody all day long. It's the party, but
Speaker 4: it's really a drinker's fast. It's really three days.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: I bring an extra kitteny with me. All I'm telling
Speaker 4: you it's none stopping. The one thing I love about
Speaker 4: New Orleans.
Speaker 2: To New Orleans, the food is unbelievable. All the drinks
Speaker 2: are three for one. Like listen, I ain't been so
Speaker 2: being New Orleans since.
Speaker 4: I was born. All I'm saying is this the fourth
Speaker 4: of July. I bring it in only like America should
Speaker 4: in New Order.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like we need to put a tracking
Speaker 1: device on to make sure it.
Speaker 5: Might be and he might be.
Speaker 1: Wake up on the grounds, out of country, missing a
Speaker 1: kidney and a place somewhere.
Speaker 2: I woke up in places you don't know, you don't
Speaker 2: want to know.
Speaker 1: I can imagine.
Speaker 3: How about you, uh, well, you know one of the things, Well,
Speaker 3: my tradition mostly has always been like a pool party
Speaker 3: on the July. Growing up, my aunt, her daughter was
Speaker 3: born on the fifth of July, so she always had
Speaker 3: a birthday on the fourth, and to.
Speaker 2: Be a big pool party.
Speaker 5: After the pool party is five ors, we like to
Speaker 5: like to block up.
Speaker 2: So I kind of took that on.
Speaker 3: When I got me some money and I'm made into
Speaker 3: the league, I wanted to be the guy the whole
Speaker 3: show and host those uh, those those outings or whatever.
Speaker 3: And but lately I just been I've been feeling old.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I've been feeling like you didn't get to the point
Speaker 3: where you get tired doing all that hosting.
Speaker 5: And I'm actually tea them now, like, man, you know what,
Speaker 5: if you got a party.
Speaker 2: Invite me to it. I don't want to be the
Speaker 2: ones something next. It's different. Look, I remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember the days when we was playing and I
Speaker 3: wur host these these forty July shen Dicks and I
Speaker 3: remember having like my little cousins sweep up the street
Speaker 3: and it's I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Tons of stuff I'm talking about I used to buy.
Speaker 3: I just spent over five thousand dollars worth of you
Speaker 3: know five, you know, I buy that stuff that they
Speaker 3: say do not.
Speaker 5: I'm not ashamed to say I was one of those guys.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, but the sweep up is crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember paying my little cousins man one hundred dollars apiece,
Speaker 3: and they used that used to be the highlight of
Speaker 3: their year. Like, man, I'm going to that party because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get me a hundred from tene.
Speaker 5: But nowadays, man, look here, I like to keep it
Speaker 5: a little laid back.
Speaker 2: Probably swept up a couple of Jason's Pierre Finger. My god,
Speaker 2: we was. We was careful. We were very careful. Man.
Speaker 3: We look you you would see one dude liking and
Speaker 3: everybody us standing back. So we always had that you
Speaker 3: know that part on lock. But nowadays, man, like my son,
Speaker 3: my youngest boy, he mentioned it one for the July
Speaker 3: I ain't have no fireworks, and I just happened to
Speaker 3: be down there because normally I'm up here, I might
Speaker 3: be going to what that called Middletown when we go
Speaker 3: do the Yeah, I do the parades, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm Marshall or something like that. For their parade,
Speaker 3: my son I come home one year and the first
Speaker 3: thing he said to me was like, this is a
Speaker 3: born for the July. And I'm like, he's like, man,
Speaker 3: we used to have fire and I felt that I hurt.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about as a dad, you always want to
Speaker 3: make your kids happy.
Speaker 2: And I felt so bad that last.
Speaker 3: Year was the most recent for the July. I made
Speaker 3: sure I spent by. I ain't spend five, I spun
Speaker 3: two thousand. I got me some fireworks, and as we
Speaker 3: sitting there part with them, I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there like, yeah, I'm old, I'm getting
Speaker 3: I'm getting to that point the where, yeah, my son
Speaker 3: wanted this, but this might be the.
Speaker 2: Last time I do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But honestly, man, I think it's just all about making
Speaker 3: those kids happy. So I would probably still see myself
Speaker 3: having some kind of gun and whether it's we're gonna
Speaker 3: do a bunch of them, we have some for them
Speaker 3: just to have some fun. You know.
Speaker 5: So what do you do?
Speaker 2: Cheat?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I do cheat. Man. I'm probably just hang out my
Speaker 1: family barbecue, you know, and we're gonna go up to
Speaker 1: Cape Cod.
Speaker 2: Give me on the boat, give me the menu. It
Speaker 2: a Logan pousings By.
Speaker 1: It's like it's normal barbecue Stoll who.
Speaker 2: Makes the potato sad. It doesn't have raised and.
Speaker 1: We're not having potato salad. You're talking about this empty
Speaker 1: carbs there, my guy, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: People are getting.
Speaker 1: Fred Man. I always count carbs Thanksgiving, counting carbs, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Man, you don't look this average not counting carbs.
Speaker 1: I just tell you that right now.
Speaker 4: Your kid gotta be like daddy could be the board
Speaker 4: and his dad about he took us out of America.
Speaker 1: I did take my kids to Disneyland, and they love
Speaker 1: it America, I know, but it's like a big thing.
Speaker 1: That's like our big trip. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We say they rapped the rise when you go, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I can't do that no more. I took my kids
Speaker 4: to Keen to mean they had a new ride. They
Speaker 4: just opened up.
Speaker 2: There was a year. Yes, I literally I got beyond sick.
Speaker 2: I was on the ride.
Speaker 4: I told my kids this is the last time ever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Fred Smooth gets on the ride. I got nothing I got.
Speaker 1: I don't do the big rides. My kids are my kids.
Speaker 1: My son's nine, My daughter's six. So they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like the gold Rush Ride, the Swash Mountain, that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I'm not doing the like the vocal
Speaker 1: raptor of the Universal.
Speaker 4: I've lost that three ye, Like, I don't have that
Speaker 4: adventure seeking anymore.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm gonna tell a quick stird. When we was
Speaker 3: at the Busch Garden event for the team just recently.
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm here. Let me get
Speaker 2: on a couple of year roller coasters. Just I got
Speaker 2: I'm old. I lost my stomach. My stomach ain't the same.
Speaker 5: I used to get on the ride and throw my
Speaker 5: hands up in there.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I was on that thing, grabbing everything I could grab.
Speaker 2: My stomach was up in my mouth somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, this is not for me anymore.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm one of those guys too. Man, I'm
Speaker 2: to the wanting to right now.
Speaker 5: I just want to enjoy.
Speaker 2: Life is over. I don't have so much fun. It's
Speaker 2: fun to me is just being alive years old. He's
Speaker 2: not lying, man, Look I'm happy. I'm done.
Speaker 4: Knew I wasn't supposed to do. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: sky die. Last year we got up there in the plane.
Speaker 4: I'm tied to the dude. I'm like, nah, you said no,
Speaker 4: the plane go down, drop me off. They were like, well,
Speaker 4: we already charge you for it, so be it. I am.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: When I got up there and looked down, then I
Speaker 4: was already worried because this dude is scrapped.
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, this ain't gonna work. No.
Speaker 4: They were like all right, and they took me right
Speaker 4: back down, And that's when I knew you Brench moved
Speaker 4: the three year seeker.
Speaker 2: He's done.
Speaker 1: Let's kind of let's kind of get this back, you know,
Speaker 1: like those are good football or or fourth of the
Speaker 1: life stories. Let's get this back to some football stuff,
Speaker 1: right right, So like, let's imagine, you know, paint this picture.
Speaker 1: They got the hamburgers on the grill, the hot dogs
Speaker 1: are getting ready, potato salads gotten raisins in it.
Speaker 2: Whatever we got we don't do raisins.
Speaker 1: We got fireworks getting ready. Kids are going nuts in
Speaker 1: the background. Let's talk some football man. Maybe maybe we're
Speaker 1: on the cornhole table. Whatever we got, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So let's just let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Let's see if you can say the power of it
Speaker 1: are we too hyped about Sam Howe.
Speaker 2: No, no, because we need to be hyping if we
Speaker 2: don't believe in them who that's our quarterback.
Speaker 3: We have to be hyped by the guys that you
Speaker 3: have that's coming into this season that's going to leave
Speaker 3: your team, regardless who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get that, But I'm saying, like everyone
Speaker 1: right now, are fans too hyped about him? Like our
Speaker 1: expectations realist?
Speaker 4: He lived for tasting our mouth the last game he
Speaker 4: left for tasting our mouth, and we want more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you know what when you go to Costco,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure your wife do not. You go to Costco,
Speaker 2: you know how they give you them they live food. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how many times have you ate this saus like you
Speaker 2: know for that went back?
Speaker 4: Give me another, give me another list that taste in
Speaker 4: our mouth? They Costco taste and we want more. And
Speaker 4: let's just be honest. It can't get no worse than
Speaker 4: what we had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't get no worse. I love so be
Speaker 2: can't get any where. We can only go forward.
Speaker 1: That's my that's my favorite argument you made so far
Speaker 1: is that it can't get much worse than it was
Speaker 1: last year. I think he's more talented than Heinike. Obviously
Speaker 1: he likes the experience, but the release the ball, velos,
Speaker 1: see the movement skills right, it's there for him. It's
Speaker 1: just but I think a lot of people I don't
Speaker 1: know what I talked.
Speaker 3: I think we get his league too much credit for
Speaker 3: for kind of like killing quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: And when I want to because it's a lot of
Speaker 3: quarterbacks come through these doors from the collegiate stage and
Speaker 3: perform well in the college get to the NFL.
Speaker 2: They're not prototypical, no more. They not.
Speaker 3: They can't they can't read or can't do this. They
Speaker 3: can't read a defense, they can't be a pocket passer.
Speaker 2: It has changed.
Speaker 3: The offenses these days have changed and more college like that,
Speaker 3: more cottage like.
Speaker 2: They're more with the spread.
Speaker 5: Now you see four or five receivers starting.
Speaker 3: I never saw Monday night game where I'm seeing five
Speaker 3: receivers saying they're starting or wide receiver receive five wide.
Speaker 2: Receivers that's on the Monday night. You know, you know,
Speaker 2: start lineup.
Speaker 3: So the offense are now more open up to these
Speaker 3: guys that played well in the cottage level. They they've
Speaker 3: created their environment for the quarterbacks to come in and
Speaker 3: feel that they're not having to be different from what
Speaker 3: they was when they played in the collegiate level.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of folks that still stuck.
Speaker 3: On the Peyton Manny, the Drew Breeses, the Tom Brady's,
Speaker 3: they stuck in that era that this is who the
Speaker 3: quarterback is supposed to look like, where they don't look like.
Speaker 3: Sam Hoow is not none of those guys. But I
Speaker 3: can tell you it's a lot of guys in the
Speaker 3: league right.
Speaker 2: Now he looks like.
Speaker 1: And have an example, who does he look like right now?
Speaker 3: Well, I just spoken one to me if we had
Speaker 3: the bank on anything. And I'm not talking about Tony
Speaker 3: romocause he's not the only game in the league. If
Speaker 3: I had to pick one guy in the league.
Speaker 5: That he shows me the same caliber of style of play.
Speaker 3: And this is not a guy that I'm saying that
Speaker 3: out there and play phenomenal, but he beats us every time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Daniel Jones, I love that compact because I look
Speaker 5: at it like, I'm like.
Speaker 2: When things break down, what can we count on Sam
Speaker 2: to do? And he does well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, be elusive and can you maximize that rushing ability.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things. Like look at
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts two years ago, right, like he elevated that
Speaker 1: offense through a designed quarterback running seam. Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying Jalen Hurts or Sam Hollis, Jalen Hurts is a runner.
Speaker 1: But like with Daniel Jones, for example, they run two
Speaker 1: quarterback draws a game, they run one quarterback counter and
Speaker 1: then they run a lot of keepers and stuff to
Speaker 1: get him on the perimeter and he can get and
Speaker 1: they steal first down. And Daniel Jones does not have
Speaker 1: to be perfect. And that's the thing that's that's awesome
Speaker 1: is can you find a wrinkle as a coordinator to
Speaker 1: put your quarterback in that stock.
Speaker 3: It's the threat of being to now have to say,
Speaker 3: now only can this guy pass the ball on us
Speaker 3: when he needs to, but he can run having that
Speaker 3: threat that see Barkley like.
Speaker 2: Hold on, y'all tried me.
Speaker 3: I don't want this little easily this ten million dollars
Speaker 3: because I feel like I made Daniel Jones better. Yes,
Speaker 3: so just put now Sam Howard in that situation. The
Speaker 3: threat of having those two backs that we have and
Speaker 3: him that can run on you. Yeah, if it's gotta be,
Speaker 3: they gotta.
Speaker 2: Play so sound.
Speaker 3: They can't sit there and turn their backs at no
Speaker 3: time when he drops back and show that past, they
Speaker 3: can't turn their backs because guess what if he sees
Speaker 3: no one open, I'm getting four or five.
Speaker 2: Yards on it every time.
Speaker 3: That's why, that's why everybody should feel the way Fred
Speaker 3: is feeling about Sam Howard, because I feel I have
Speaker 3: that same optimism that.
Speaker 5: He can be deadly in a new scheme offense that
Speaker 5: no one has seen us run.
Speaker 2: They go to dead with so many different.
Speaker 1: Weapons that but I think that's I'm glad you've made
Speaker 1: that comp to Daniel Jones. He's Daniel Jones is a
Speaker 1: what is he like? A top sixteen quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to get better. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I I think that's gotta be what fans and what
Speaker 1: people are thinking about. It's not it's not a top
Speaker 1: five quarterback, not a top ten quarterback. Probably a top
Speaker 1: twenty quarterback can win your game. That can win your games.
Speaker 1: That's exactly if you can.
Speaker 2: Win the super Bowl with that.
Speaker 4: Think about this, If you're a top thirty two quarterback,
Speaker 4: you're a starring quarterback.
Speaker 2: Eight billion people on this planet. We ain't found you
Speaker 2: love this one?
Speaker 1: You love you love this one?
Speaker 2: Man, SyRI that oh it is to play quarter.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: So when you got one that just okay, you better
Speaker 4: put him on the pede. Like so at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, to have a guy in the top twenty,
Speaker 4: you win it.
Speaker 1: You're feeling good, right, you're feeling good, especially with this
Speaker 1: defense playing well. But he's not. I guess what I
Speaker 1: want want to just make clear. He's not gonna lead
Speaker 1: the ship. He's gonna be elevated by We don't know
Speaker 1: that but Fred and we're just playing percentages. Man. And
Speaker 1: I know you like craps and blackjack and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and you like to put it like the lottery. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you're, if you're, if you're gonna bet
Speaker 1: your house on him leading the team.
Speaker 4: Right now, Manti, it is Sam high with hell four
Speaker 4: thousand yards, thirty touchdowns.
Speaker 1: How many interceptions?
Speaker 2: Ten?
Speaker 1: Whoa my guy?
Speaker 4: That's damn four thousand yards just for thirty touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Just just for some context, Shalon Hurts had thirty seven
Speaker 1: hundred yards last year.
Speaker 2: Got nothing to do me.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that is a big number.
Speaker 4: Four thousand yards, thirty touchdowns brow Yeah, how many did
Speaker 4: we had last year?
Speaker 2: They can't wins?
Speaker 1: We got Jason our research expert on it.
Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is, if you look at YEA,
Speaker 4: what you're saying, he played in North Carolina, you put
Speaker 4: E B with it.
Speaker 1: But North Carolina? Which which year in North Carolina? That's
Speaker 1: the question everybody.
Speaker 2: Left from his senior. He was by saying why he
Speaker 2: risks now? But yeah, So I'm just.
Speaker 3: Saying his senior shows you what you really can get
Speaker 3: from a guy that. I mean, his junior was phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Dammy Brown played like a first round wires you know,
Speaker 3: and that's why you kind of like you think about it.
Speaker 5: We got weapons in front of Diami Brown like.
Speaker 2: He can't get on the field once played with this dude.
Speaker 3: So just the thing if you had to look at
Speaker 3: this as a six man basketball team, Jommy Brown being
Speaker 3: the six man, yeah, and a lot you get him
Speaker 3: coming in the game with Sam and Sam knows this guy, Well, yeah.
Speaker 5: We poping man we have. That's why.
Speaker 3: I'm hanging my hat on this offensive line being the
Speaker 3: officer line that we expect him to be much improved
Speaker 3: officer line man.
Speaker 2: We should be daily offensively man, all right.
Speaker 1: So we just got this in Jason. Great job. Twenty
Speaker 1: three touchdowns last year for quarterbacks combined.
Speaker 2: I think Sam is gonna play a lot freer.
Speaker 4: I know for a fact he got a better office
Speaker 4: coordinator y and I just think he had better pass
Speaker 4: than both of them. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I'm giving him thirty touchdowns four thousand yards.
Speaker 1: You're worried about him being like a rookie at all,
Speaker 1: like like kind of his first time seeing NFL, Like
Speaker 1: NFL defenses.
Speaker 2: Not look too big to him.
Speaker 4: I just watching them player against Michael Parsons and Teyvon Diggs,
Speaker 4: Like I watched him player against the top ten defense already.
Speaker 4: It didn't look like it was too big for me.
Speaker 2: And that's all I want to see.
Speaker 3: And one of the and I ain't mean to cut
Speaker 3: off one of the things that I'm always you know,
Speaker 3: hold my hat on. It's just like I said, it's
Speaker 3: not all on him defensively too. If you watch that
Speaker 3: game when they played against the Cowboys, our defense put
Speaker 3: him in situations where he couldn't do nothing.
Speaker 1: But I was about to say, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: punch it in.
Speaker 3: So when you look at what we're doing defensively and
Speaker 3: then collectively as a team, that's what makes these quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: A lot of these quarterbacks have went the championships.
Speaker 3: We watched a quarterback when I was coming out of
Speaker 3: the college in two thousand, the Baltimore Ravens went went
Speaker 3: to the championship. Different with Trent Death. What was the
Speaker 3: what was the key component to them going to the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl that year?
Speaker 2: Running defense?
Speaker 1: And he rushed for two thousand yards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lewis, But if you just take the two thousand
Speaker 3: yards out of it, the defense alone. When I watched
Speaker 3: those guys played the Super Bowl, the defense won the
Speaker 3: game alone.
Speaker 2: It was a punk return for a touchdown and.
Speaker 5: All, and the defense still showed these guys just what
Speaker 5: got us here?
Speaker 3: So, and I'm not saying that we the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 3: defense from two thousand, but if you have a defense
Speaker 3: that can get after the quarterback, that can cause confusion,
Speaker 3: that can play the way we trying to play in
Speaker 3: the secondary.
Speaker 5: Sure, Samuel hasn't He doesn't have to be great.
Speaker 2: It's be good, just be good.
Speaker 1: You had a talent around you know, That's why I
Speaker 1: think the Daniel Jones compa is excellent. The other one
Speaker 1: that came to me while we were talking was Jake
Speaker 1: Clumber from Uh Yeah, The Snake Man.
Speaker 2: Jake Snake was very elusive.
Speaker 4: He used to do a lot of bootlegs with the snake,
Speaker 4: and the snake had a cannon for the really pushed
Speaker 4: the ball down field of Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say, listen, I just don't.
Speaker 4: I think everybody sleeps on how great of an athlete
Speaker 4: Tony Romo was, Like I think.
Speaker 2: People forget how elusive After the back surgery, of course,
Speaker 2: he wasn't elusive no more. Before then, Tony was man.
Speaker 4: I had to match my receiver all the time with
Speaker 4: him because he would get out of the pocket and
Speaker 4: make things happen.
Speaker 2: So I just I see a lot of in him.
Speaker 2: He was quiet with it, man, Like he didn't really
Speaker 2: you didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't come in the game saying like how we
Speaker 3: do with Daniel Jones, Like, man, this guy is gonna
Speaker 3: break one on us on third down, so watch him.
Speaker 2: He just did it. Bro.
Speaker 3: He was just so smart and educated on what was
Speaker 3: going on. Like he didn't make a he did not
Speaker 3: allow us to have them. You know, uh in a
Speaker 3: situation where it was a bad play when we locked
Speaker 3: there because you know there's white and I give that
Speaker 3: with this white one of the win. He was a
Speaker 3: great receiver, but he didn't separate a lot from games.
Speaker 3: I mean, my bad de Brian, my bad. Yeah, not
Speaker 3: that white. Dez Bryan's white played the Chicago he was.
Speaker 3: But Daz Bryan is one of those receivers where he
Speaker 3: was dominant at just catching. He had, he had hands
Speaker 3: that he caught everything that was in his the point
Speaker 3: of attack. But Tony Romo made a lot of that possible.
Speaker 3: And when he wasn't open to Romo ran right behind
Speaker 3: y'all as you as Davis Bryan running up the Fiell
Speaker 3: on a go route and he's blanketing to Romo behind
Speaker 3: your running and you look back like that.
Speaker 4: This man took twenty And don't forget about Jason Witton
Speaker 4: wasn't getting no separation. He put he just putting the
Speaker 4: balls where it needs to be in Sam hasht But
Speaker 4: Nakolo when it comes to where am I throwing the
Speaker 4: ball to?
Speaker 3: Sam showed me a lot in college, you know, and
Speaker 3: I and I say this a lot I also know
Speaker 3: the universe of Miami teams that he was playing against
Speaker 3: was not the universe of Miami of old. But when
Speaker 3: I watched him play, I'm like, what the hell is
Speaker 3: this quarterback from North Carolina dominating like this? And he
Speaker 3: did some of the same things I saw him doing
Speaker 3: the preseason, and in that last game when things wasn't there,
Speaker 3: he took off. And so you know, when I'm watching
Speaker 3: him last year in the preseason, like, if you had
Speaker 3: to ask me, who was the better quarterback in.
Speaker 5: The preseason before the season started, was Sam House?
Speaker 2: Sam House?
Speaker 3: He came in that last game when we expected our
Speaker 3: offense to be clicking a little bit. That third game,
Speaker 3: we didn't see nothing to Sam Howe got in the game,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So to see this guy
Speaker 3: sit out the entire season and just get better being
Speaker 3: a scout team one defense, yeah it wasn't a surprise,
Speaker 3: But it was that he played the way he played
Speaker 3: that last game of the season because he finally got
Speaker 3: his chance to say, Hey, this is what I want
Speaker 3: to leave them, This is a taste I want to
Speaker 3: leave him out.
Speaker 5: Going to the offseason knowing that I'm ready to play.
Speaker 2: I watch everybody else do it. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2: Does it bother you that he don't he read me?
Speaker 1: I don't care about his kiddy throw a football when
Speaker 1: he does that pretty good, So I'm that is a
Speaker 1: little weird.
Speaker 2: We need him to grow up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, grow up a little bit, get married, go to
Speaker 1: nice steakhouse and put some ketchup on it. You said
Speaker 1: something earlier, and I want to get your thoughts on
Speaker 1: this because we've had this conversation off there a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and I've never seen you get so heated
Speaker 1: about anything in my wholeuse already know. So you were
Speaker 1: talking about punt returns in the super Bowl with the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Who is going to return punts for this team?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 3: We need a game change and not even a game chair.
Speaker 3: We need a guy that's gonna move the change. Like
Speaker 3: one of the things that I was I learned as
Speaker 3: a pump returning. I wasn't a pump returner all my life.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't play pump returning. I didn't try to
Speaker 3: be a pump returned until I got into college.
Speaker 1: Well, you also like a freak, though, bro, and and
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: Say that I almost athletically gifted because it was nothing
Speaker 3: that I couldn't do.
Speaker 2: I tell folks to this day. You know, my daughters
Speaker 2: called it. They call it.
Speaker 3: I forgot what they call it nowadays when you do
Speaker 3: a no handcott will and you know, they all in
Speaker 3: ballet and they do these things and they're like, daddy,
Speaker 3: you can do that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I was doing that outside.
Speaker 3: I go to the circus every year with my brother
Speaker 3: on his birthday and the first thing they say, don't
Speaker 3: try this at home, and Santana's on.
Speaker 2: The roof trying it. That's why I broke my mom.
Speaker 1: Get out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried everything. I was that guy in my head.
Speaker 2: It was nothing I could do.
Speaker 3: So getting back to the question, as a pump returner,
Speaker 3: you need a guy that's gonna give us the first down.
Speaker 1: You need to.
Speaker 2: Explaining that is at least ten yards.
Speaker 3: Our special team coach Mike Westoff used to tell me,
Speaker 3: and I could go farst back and in college, don
Speaker 3: Solomon just just say I need you.
Speaker 2: He was a running back coach.
Speaker 5: He taught Clint Porters, Edwin James, all those guys.
Speaker 2: He was. He should be a Hall of Fame high
Speaker 2: school football coach.
Speaker 3: He taught Troy Davis and Darren Davis at South Ridge
Speaker 3: one on national championships and state championships. Don Salom just say,
Speaker 3: I need you to get the offense there first, first down,
Speaker 3: and what he's to tell me is that I need
Speaker 3: you to get ten yards, and if you don't get
Speaker 3: ten yards, I need you to make the first man
Speaker 3: miss because normally, if you make that first man missed,
Speaker 3: everybody else not in line to get you, you're gonna
Speaker 3: You're gonna sneaky.
Speaker 5: You're gonna sneak out and get about eight to ten yards.
Speaker 3: Like I say, if something special has to come out
Speaker 3: of what you do, you have to be the elite
Speaker 3: of guys back there.
Speaker 5: And the guy that fits that mold to us is
Speaker 5: Curtis Sammy.
Speaker 3: I've been begging and him and I'm taking this from
Speaker 3: I'm taking this from Smooth because he was right last
Speaker 3: year when I watched Curtis say, I'm like, this guy's
Speaker 3: a he can get missing in the phone book. Why
Speaker 3: are we not trying him at punt return? Like ca
Speaker 3: to this league and say this is what the guy
Speaker 3: can do and cannot do. No, just like what was
Speaker 3: done to the college but Butch Davis told me, Hey, Ten,
Speaker 3: I need to go out there and catch punts.
Speaker 2: I said, Noah, coach, I'm straight.
Speaker 3: And then the second time he asked me, say Ten,
Speaker 3: I needed to go out there and catch punts, he said,
Speaker 3: I'm not accident. So that told me a lot, like
Speaker 3: the whole team needs you to do what I thought
Speaker 3: about while I was back there catching it.
Speaker 5: This is a chance for me to do something more.
Speaker 5: This is a chance to give me on the field more,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So when you have a guy like Curtis Salmon and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he ever caught him, if you
Speaker 3: can catch the caiss, you can catch him.
Speaker 1: Apparently apparently he's only caught nine in his whole career.
Speaker 2: We're gonna practice this thing and the off season and
Speaker 2: get you ready.
Speaker 3: I truly believe that Curtis Samuel is the missing gym
Speaker 3: that we have on this team that we're not even
Speaker 3: trying to put out there to be the dynamic player
Speaker 3: that he can be.
Speaker 2: If you're not give him the ball.
Speaker 1: I need you to do that. But you've you've played
Speaker 1: with guys who are crazy athletic, they just can't.
Speaker 2: It's a different case. Not saying we're going to force
Speaker 2: him to do something he can't do.
Speaker 3: We gonna seem saying we got to put him back
Speaker 3: there enough free season so we could be comfortable with
Speaker 3: him doing it now. Also, it was it was moments
Speaker 3: when we put two punt returners back there. You put
Speaker 3: one back that that can catch it, one that can
Speaker 3: run with the boa you can catch it, catch.
Speaker 2: It, and we gonna run. We're gonna do something. I'm
Speaker 2: being real though, man like, like what.
Speaker 1: You're saying, though, I think that's a really healthy, healthy perspective. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like the standard Danny Smith, every special teams coach
Speaker 1: I ever played for him, it was like, we, as
Speaker 1: the part return team, need to get you ten yards.
Speaker 1: That's the goal, right, So it's making good decisions is
Speaker 1: number one. That's the number one thing. And Dax does that.
Speaker 1: We all agree he makes good decisions. It's just can
Speaker 1: you get that ten yards? So of the of the
Speaker 1: other guys, you know, Curtis Samuel was the guy that
Speaker 1: I think is very popular. Yeah, Kashmir Al, I just
Speaker 1: about to ask you about that, right he did? So,
Speaker 1: he didn't really, that's the thing. He didn't return punts
Speaker 1: in college. But he's gonna have to do that here.
Speaker 3: I want to know this will I will also even
Speaker 3: put my man Ag back there. Think he Jesus phenomenal talent.
Speaker 2: Man like the dude.
Speaker 3: Now you talking about my up of the cability. I
Speaker 3: haven't seen nothing that Ag couldn't do. He returned, and
Speaker 3: if they gonna be short, I mean, we don't know
Speaker 3: this offense and how they're gonna use him. But last
Speaker 3: year we were talking about this. I'm like, man, I
Speaker 3: would pay Ag back there because if he's gonna be
Speaker 3: pissed off about not getting carries, they carried.
Speaker 1: But don't you find that running backs have a hard
Speaker 1: time catching punch running.
Speaker 3: He's an ex Robb Receix quarterback, quarterback punts back if
Speaker 3: you could play quarterback, not even being a starter.
Speaker 2: He ran three punts for touchdown back.
Speaker 5: You can catch the ball, and he showed that he
Speaker 5: can do that in college already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting to get him back there. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he caught punchs before. He would be to
Speaker 1: get down so hard, so hard, because he's a big man,
Speaker 1: he's fast. Yeah, I didn't know he caught punch because
Speaker 1: he usually running back kickoffs.
Speaker 2: No, he ran kickoffs back and he ran them for
Speaker 2: touchdown and he ran punchs back.
Speaker 4: Don't forgetting games. Will from Philadelphia was in his back Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 4: Pollard from the Cowboys with in his backfield, so he
Speaker 4: had to find other ways to get the ball while
Speaker 4: receiver plunt return kickoff return is how he did.
Speaker 1: The other guy that's interesting to bring up is Tinsley,
Speaker 1: the kid from Penn State who's also kind of showing
Speaker 1: that polish as a receiver, but maybe he sneaks in
Speaker 1: as your.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a guy too that
Speaker 3: we're not even talking about right now that's going to probably,
Speaker 3: you know, be in the runnings for that position come
Speaker 3: some preseason plump returnament.
Speaker 5: It's just something about pump returners.
Speaker 2: You have to be special. You have to be special, bro.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 5: It's not saying that you have to run back punts.
Speaker 3: No, when I say special, you have to be able
Speaker 3: to see that ball, Go locate it, go run it down,
Speaker 3: go catch it and then get back up, peel and
Speaker 3: make something happen.
Speaker 4: And James Rash was not the fastest dude, but thres
Speaker 4: gonna get your team now.
Speaker 2: James Draft was fast. If you go back to James
Speaker 2: Dras in the league. But I'm saying he was a
Speaker 2: guy on the track. James Draft was pretty fast and
Speaker 2: he gonna get up the field.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to the port I'm trying to make
Speaker 3: is there's guys that play the position and they're not
Speaker 3: the twisted up the speedster, the sixty meter champ, hundred
Speaker 3: meters champ, but they know how to be a dynamic
Speaker 3: pump returner because one of the things I learned about
Speaker 3: the position. And it's crazy because I look at things
Speaker 3: like this to this day, like I have them. They
Speaker 3: in my wheelhouse. You're coming down out of control.
Speaker 2: Being blocked.
Speaker 3: I can set you up and make you go somewhere
Speaker 3: and you call and you can't stop on the down
Speaker 3: like me. Now, that's one of the same things I use,
Speaker 3: the same tactics I use as a receiver. Like I
Speaker 3: could get the top gear faster than you going backwards.
Speaker 3: Now you have to turn your hips and run at
Speaker 3: my top. Now I can stop faster than you when
Speaker 3: you're just starting to get to your top gear, so
Speaker 3: I can play with you because you're in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing as most dynamic great pump returners.
Speaker 3: Do they know that I can set you if I
Speaker 3: can put you in the spot, think I'm going somewhere
Speaker 3: and then I get a block of the blocker you
Speaker 3: or get to shield you. Now I could put one
Speaker 3: foot in the ground and get up fiel.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that. And I could talk returners
Speaker 1: with you all day. But there's one more question I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask. Are we good at linebacker for the Commanders?
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so.
Speaker 1: I just I think so.
Speaker 4: Everybody don't got a dab in white. Everybody don't have
Speaker 4: certain guys. But I think the linebacker position because of
Speaker 4: the receivers.
Speaker 2: Receivers, the receivers.
Speaker 4: Again the linebackers off the field, and we're bringing in safeties.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get this hybrid.
Speaker 4: So I think the secondary is leaned on more than
Speaker 4: the linebackers. Are we not a three four defense? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so we're not a defense that's predicated on our linebackers.
Speaker 4: We're predicated on our front linebackers.
Speaker 5: Is starting to look like fullbacks these days in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very rare.
Speaker 3: That line's more second. Like he's talking about safeties and
Speaker 3: nickel guys, big safeties.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what you know. We did that like
Speaker 1: breakdown of Cam Curl and one of the things that
Speaker 1: stuck out to me is like they are using safeties
Speaker 1: forrest Cam as linebackers essentially based on defensive structure. Obviously
Speaker 1: they're not linebackers. But how you would target those runs,
Speaker 1: how you would target those protections, you gotta count from
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 5: I want to stay championship in high school when and
Speaker 5: this is crazy, how.
Speaker 2: How advanced my coach was.
Speaker 3: We had this big linebacker, Bradley Jennings. He went to
Speaker 3: Florida State in the forty four. He came out with us.
Speaker 5: He got shot leading up to our draft, so he
Speaker 5: ended up being drafted. But he was our middle linebacker.
Speaker 2: He was a force, but our will and Sam.
Speaker 3: We didn't really have a willing Sam. We had two
Speaker 3: dynamic d ns, but we didn't have a willing Sam.
Speaker 3: You know, when our coach didn't play nickel, we brought
Speaker 3: in two corners that lost their position at corner. My
Speaker 3: homeboy Bowl came in late, played corner and took somebody position.
Speaker 3: He was the starting corner and the other corner could
Speaker 3: have easy played on the other side. But Boosey Samuews,
Speaker 3: who played at Florida State. Also, he was so dynamic
Speaker 3: as a young guy. We left him at one side
Speaker 3: and he was like a sophomore. We put in two
Speaker 3: corners at Sam and Nickel, and we were so fast
Speaker 3: that linebacker. So we had as that one middle guy.
Speaker 3: That guy was gonna clog up everything, gonna run you down.
Speaker 3: But our guys on the SAM when they was in coverage,
Speaker 3: they was corners and they sticking your tight ends, your
Speaker 3: you know, your fullbacks, your running bus at the backfield.
Speaker 3: And as a young guy back then, I didn't see
Speaker 3: what we was doing until now look and see the defenses,
Speaker 3: especially our defense.
Speaker 2: Were playing those positions, were playing that.
Speaker 3: Now we have guys that can run with people, because
Speaker 3: I feel like that's where our offense is going. Now.
Speaker 4: There's less fieldicality in the run game right now. Well,
Speaker 4: they spread you out to pass and they spread you
Speaker 4: out to run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not even like there's less physicality. I
Speaker 1: think you're just playing odds right, Like, like sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the time teams run through out receiver sets spread
Speaker 1: Last year this team only ran the ball thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Right Like, defenses are adjusting to that.
Speaker 1: You need to find ways to get better coverage players
Speaker 1: on the field, because as much as you know, having
Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty pound middle linebackers the thing
Speaker 1: that helps you in the run game, that guy's a
Speaker 1: liability in the past game. You need guys that have
Speaker 1: a better feel for space, better feel for zones. The
Speaker 1: other thing I want to ask you about is with
Speaker 1: that linebacker group, I think one thing that could really
Speaker 1: tip the scales is Jami and Davis continuing to develop.
Speaker 4: Ye after our I thought he took it. I thought
Speaker 4: he really bowled out last year. Maybe I was looking
Speaker 4: at the film wrong. I thought he played fast last year.
Speaker 4: I thought he showed that he was comfortable, and I
Speaker 4: can only expect that he gonna get even better, especially
Speaker 4: with Chase Young coming back in and having a D
Speaker 4: line in front of him to keep the blockers off
Speaker 4: of him. I think Jamie, I think the best of
Speaker 4: Jamie Davis we have yet to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean too. I'm really excited. And you know,
Speaker 1: PFF said that he's like one of the breakout players
Speaker 1: for this year, and you can see why. He was
Speaker 1: playing better as year went on, really good against the run,
Speaker 1: and you see his athleticism in coverage against receivers. You
Speaker 1: see it, it's there.
Speaker 2: It's just year.
Speaker 1: It's like, can his instincts start matching that? So I
Speaker 1: think that group's good. And obviously Cody Barton coming in
Speaker 1: converted safety kind of that tweeter Cleek Hutson again the
Speaker 1: guy that kind of is that converted stafty linebacker. So
Speaker 1: I do think that they are kind of maybe a
Speaker 1: more modern understanding of the NFL in terms of what's
Speaker 1: required of the position. I think we're going to be okay.
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to do it for our
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