1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Before we begin today show, we have a very special announcement. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Who is that guy? Get him out of here, baby, 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: baby byep Oh, he's a very important person and you 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: should listen to what he's gonna say. I guess if 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: no one else is gonna be serious here, um, I 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: might as well make the announcement myself. What's the alps surprise? Wait, 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: not yet, but coming soon. Stuff they don't want you 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: to know. Not only have we not gotten canceled, We're 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: gonna up the Annie and get at two a week. 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: That is correct. Next week you're gonna get two episodes 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: in your feed. One is gonna be on Friday, the 12 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: way you always get a stuff they don't want you 13 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: to know episode. There's gonna be another one earlier on 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: in the week. That's right, folks. The primary complaint we 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: have received about this show ever since we started it 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: is that we need more episodes coming out, and we're 17 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: finally doing it. We're doubling down, we're doubling up. We're 18 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: doubling something. That's right. Our show, from UFOs to psychic 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. 20 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. M Hello, welcome back to 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Matt, my name is Meet. 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined with our super producer 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Paul Decans as always, but most importantly, you are you, 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: The U. S. Military has cooked up some pretty bizarre 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: ideas over the past few decades, and longtime listeners you 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: know that, Matt Nolan I have covered some of the 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: more nefarious ones in past episodes. Yeah, when you're on 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: the edge and you're the leader of all the military technology, 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: you really just got to test it all, man. You 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: just throwst up at the wall and see if it 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: blows it up. Literally, like the jet copter, Yes, the 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: jet copter where someone finally came together with their friends 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: and said, what if we had a jet that wait 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: for it, guys, has three wings. Wait for it, guys, 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: and each of those wings has a jet engine, and 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: wait for it, and we spin it really really fast 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: and make it go somewhere to what end? Is this 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: is a vehicle or just an agent of chaos? It's 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: both meant to be a vehicle didn't work out though. 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: There's also the idea of a blinding phaser. Yeah, they 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: went Star Trek with that one. It looks really cool. Actually, 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: it looks like one of those heavy duty Star Trek 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: phasers that they only use when they're facing a serious 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: threat like the Borg. Yeah, set your phasers to blind 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: cass you, bog. I wonder how that would affect, you know, 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: because they've got the one human eye usually and then 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: the other eye. Well, they adapt the hive mind on 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: the land of the Borg. The one eyed man is 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: a Borg assimilated, right. They're also they also tried, of course, 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: the one of the more infamous ones was they worked 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: on a plan for a bomb that would turn people 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: into homosexuals. Is that the one that Alex Jones is 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: always talking about turns to all the frogs gay as 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: He's also he's thinking about environmental contaminant too, I think right. Uh, 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: hands down my favorite one was a pigeon guided missile. 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: This one just really quick to get into it. I 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: don't think we've ever talked about it before in the show. Maybe, Okay, No, 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: So this guy b F. Skinner during around the World 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: War two times, I was trying to figure out a 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: way to basically have a missile hone in on somebody, 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: and he thought, oh, you know what I've got honing 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: pigeons honing missile. Let's put these two together. And he 65 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: literally made a warhead that was three pigeons sitting inside 66 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: of warhead, live pigeons that had these rudimentary screens of 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: and it would show what the ground looked like as 68 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: this missile is flying through the air, and the pigeons, 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: if they see the target that they've been trained to attack, 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: they would all, in theory, pick at the screen, and 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: if all three packed at the screen, then detonation would occur. 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Of course, this makes quite a few assumptions. The idea 73 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: that the pigeons would behave normally when they're strapped into 74 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: this contraction, right, uh, the idea that that redundancy would work. 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Members of the National Research Defense Committee did give him 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty five grand to do this again. Throw it at 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the wall, see if it blows up. There were also 78 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: bat bombs, seeking to utilize the echolocative abilities of bats. 79 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: There's actually a really great episode of the lovely podcast 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: of the Memory Palace called Itty Bitty Bombs that talks 81 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: about that very thing, and check it out if you 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: get a chance, of course, this isn't gonna be an 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: episode where we just heap ridicule on Uncle Sam, because 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam is not the only government thinking outside of 85 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: the box when it comes to military hardware and techniques. 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: In the cryptocurrency series that we earlier recorded, we spoke 87 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: with our old friend Jonathan Strickland about a larger trend 88 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: toward what's called asymmetrical warfare. And that's the idea that 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: if you and like, if the three of us are 90 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: the top military minds of China or Russia or something, 91 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: we know that we cannot compete one on one in 92 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: a conventional battle with the United States. But maybe it 93 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: turns out that Noel has a great lead on information warfare. 94 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it turns out that Matt is super good at 95 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: delivering poison and unexpected ways. It's all about innovation, and 96 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: you're right, unexpectedness, right, the element of surprise, And this 97 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: is where we see things like Soviet attack dolphins, or 98 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: like the United Kingdom's ill fated attempt to build an 99 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier that was also an iceberg because no one 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: would ever see it coming because it moves so slowly 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: it's almost imperceptible that it's coming at you. Yeah, and 102 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: sure it's that I could be doing much damage around 103 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: the equator, but man, but they wanted to try it. 104 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: And there are there numerous other silly examples. We've looked 105 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: at the assassination attempts for Fidel Castro in a different show, 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Noel and I looked at uh an attempt to kill 107 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill via an evil chocolate bars bloating chocolate where 108 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: and when you broke that delightful little line of demarcation 109 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: to get that perfect chocolate square, it would blow your 110 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: fingers and face off. Jeez. And there was also a 111 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: halitosis bomb, which is super interesting because halitosis was primarily 112 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: condition made up by advertisers. So it's a bad breath bomb, right, 113 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: and halitosis as a condition is not real. That sounds 114 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: like more of a prank. Yeah, I think you just 115 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: get that by eating regular cho clip and then not 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: brushing your teeth because you Americans full ruining. How a 117 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: great evil limbio without terrible breath so minty freshness aside, 118 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these techniques and these weapons and this 119 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: hardware the various governments dream up never make it past 120 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: the brainstorming. Wouldn't it be cool if phase or the 121 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: research and development phase. Somebody somewhere along the line thankfully says, guys, 122 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: I think jet copter is kind of a dumb idea, 123 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: or someone says, would ever say that it sounds amazing, 124 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: sounds of aazing I guess depends on what you wanted 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: for as an agent of chaos, it would be one 126 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: of the coolest fireworks ever. That's true. But the problem 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: is this, it can be very difficult for us, the 128 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: general public, even members of other militaries, even in the 129 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: top levels of intelligence, it can be very difficult to 130 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: tell what has actually been deployed, what was kicked around 131 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: and then scrapped, what's active working is under wraps, or 132 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: as we saw offt in the Cold War, what's been 133 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: just sort of marketed as something to be scared of, 134 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: as an attempt to drain the other side's resources. Right, 135 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of propaganda around, you know, a lot 136 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: of these things do come into the public eye, but 137 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: only after something goes really, really wrong, as we saw 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: in the case with that stealth helicopter. Yeah, in the 139 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: US raid on the bin laden compound in Islamabad, most 140 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: of the taxpayer public learned that stealth helicopters were a 141 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: thing when one of them crashed, and you guys remember that, right, Well, 142 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you would hope that you wouldn't know about a stealth 143 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: helicopter unless it's stealth abilities failed drastically, yeah, or or 144 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know about it until you heard the sound 145 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: of whatever you know, weaponry it's got on it. Yeah. 146 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: So this is interesting because ethically, there's a little bit 147 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: of a pickle. You know, most people pay taxes on 148 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: some level, right, whether it's sales or property or income 149 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: or just something. Most people pay taxes and often don't 150 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: know where that money is going. So these weapons, this 151 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: suppressed technology, of this classified technology definitely does exist. It's 152 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theory to say that, it's conspiracy realism. 153 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: And there are a number of compelling arguments for why 154 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: that should be kept secret, why we should be paying 155 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: for things that we don't know about, and even when 156 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: they might adversely affect US national security. And let's move 157 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: on the Great Boogeyman, right, And now we're at a 158 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: point where it turns out that just last year we 159 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: may have learned of another type of weapons something we 160 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: knew could exist in theory, but hadn't seen an action 161 00:09:53,679 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: this way. Here's where it gets crazy already already. Yeah, So, 162 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: over the course of two years, two thousands sixteen and 163 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: two thousands seventeen, there were some weird stuff going on 164 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: in Cuba. Specifically, there were U. S. Citizens who were 165 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: serving at the embassy there. They were complaining of these 166 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: various strange ailments. A lot of it had to do 167 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: with things affecting their ears and their ability to hear, 168 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: like they were they were experiencing hearing loss, they were 169 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: experiencing vertigo, feeling like they were going to fall or 170 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: were falling, they were having headaches. They were even complaining 171 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: about cognitive cognitive deficiencies like having problems remembering something. Uh, 172 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: you know, more than just when you walk through a 173 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: door and you forget something, which is something we all experienced. 174 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: They were talking about much more severe versions of this 175 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: um and just just so everybody knows, severe hearing loss 176 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: was the most common complaint, like I cannot hear right 177 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: now and I've never had a problem with this before 178 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: in my life. And the injuries were thankfully not found 179 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: to be life threatening, but all of the victims had 180 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: a primary complaint that preceded their experience of this vertigo, 181 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: this hearing loss, this difficulty with recollection, and it's this 182 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: They heard a distinct, loud, pitched, incredibly annoying and painful 183 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: sound and unusual places, including their homes. Shall we punish 184 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: our listeners with the clip, yes, and ourselves. So the 185 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: caveat that there are a few limiting factors here. Um, 186 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: this is multiple frequencies stacked together, but they're not just 187 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: the ones that the human ear can perceive or that 188 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: can be recreated with phones or speakers or any other 189 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: method of reproducing sound. That's a really good point exactly 190 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that that sound comes from the Associated Press. They actually 191 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: went in they got this sound while they were in Cuba, 192 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: and they were just mentioning that there's a lot of 193 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: lower much lower frequency and much higher frequency stuff going on. Sure. Yeah, 194 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: And eventually the State Department did go public with this. 195 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: Keep in mind first reports or from sien soeen. The 196 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: State Department goes public, they pull all the non essential 197 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: staff from the embassy there in Havana and the capital 198 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: of Cuba, and they allow others to return to the 199 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: US for treatment. On May twenty three, the State Department 200 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: also began expelling Cuban diplomats. They started with two. Eventually 201 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: they would expel fifteen in total from the United States. 202 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: And it should be noted here that the Cuban the 203 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Cuban government vehemently denies than anything is going on here 204 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: like there they had any involvement in these health incidents. 205 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: H And there's a quote right here. Cuba has never 206 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: nor would it ever allow that the Cuban territory be 207 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: used for any action against accredited diplomatic agents or their 208 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: families without exception, full stop, pretty categorical there, you know. 209 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: And although the US officially states they're still investigating the 210 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: cause of these conditions, government officials from the U S side, 211 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: from Uncle Sam, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have 212 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: said that they believe someone in Cuba was operating a 213 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: quote sonic weapon. So what could the sonic weapon be, 214 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsors. So 215 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: sonic weapons. You might also hear these called ultrasonic weapons 216 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: or us WUS do what it says on the tin, 217 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: they use sound to incapacitate, injure or potentially in theory 218 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: kill they're victims, believe it or not, through the use 219 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: of sound alone and perhaps you've heard of these web 220 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: and being deployed by police and for the purposes of 221 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: crowd disposal or crawlling. One of the most well known 222 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: examples of this, at least in the world of policing, 223 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: is something called the long range Acoustic device or l RAD. Yeah, 224 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: this thing produces noises fifty times above the human threshold 225 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: for pain, So that moment when you're listening to music 226 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: at a concert and you start to go, oh wait, 227 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: this actually hurts a little bit. It's it's fifty times 228 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: above that. It's about around one and twenty to one 229 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: and forty decibels at high power. This sort of stuff 230 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: can cause nausea, vomiting, and so on. However, it is 231 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: considered a non lethal weapon. It's literally just so loud 232 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: that it hurts to be there. So crowds that, you know, 233 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street or um the ferguson Um protests, sure, yeah, 234 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: for any protests or something. The idea is that they go, ah, 235 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: my ears, I'm leaving. I'm more of a fan of 236 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: non lethal weapon two, which one is that the one 237 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: with jo I wonder why they never did a non 238 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: lethal weapon. That's actually a good idea, And I think 239 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: I think it'd be kind of dull, right, nothing would happen. 240 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: What was the what was the parody of the lethal 241 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: weapon series was naked gun, Naked Gun, Well Weapon, police 242 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: squad Leslie Nielsen. Wasn't there one called legal weapon or 243 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: something like that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't think one 244 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: of those Hollywood knockoffs. So we'll get back to that. 245 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: We've got top men on the research here. In the meantime, 246 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: you'll hear a lot of variations on this basic idea 247 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: of sound as a weapon, loaded weapon, loaded weapon there, 248 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: and it was called loaded weapon one, and there wasn't 249 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: a sequel that. It's important that we have that solved. 250 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: So the variations you'll hear, much like the variations of 251 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: lethal versus loaded weapon, we're all gonna be new takes 252 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: on the same concept. You'll hear about grenade, something you 253 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: could throw that emits a powerful, dangerous sound, sonic cannons, 254 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: sonic guns, and so on, and this hardware can produce 255 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: different effects. The majority that we know about right now 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: are designed to be non lethal, painful, slap on the wrist, 257 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: don't do it. We're not minimizing the effects of these 258 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: because non lethal weapons that terms sometimes gets a better 259 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: rep than it deserves. Technically, people who shoot rock salt 260 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: at you out of a shotgun are exercising a non 261 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: lethal weapon. But I can tell you that is a 262 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: very painful experience. And I mean it could you know, 263 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: injure you such that you could die from your wound 264 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: if there'sn't get an infection or something like that. Totally 265 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: you would bleed from getting shot with rock salid I 266 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: think right, yes, depend on distance, yeah, well, and things 267 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: like tasers too that are considered less than lethal do 268 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: have You can be killed by that because you're dealing 269 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: with your heart, and everybody has a different leaf functioning 270 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: heart and circulatory system and everything, so much in the 271 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: same way you can imagine, there are there are dangers, yeah, 272 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: especially you might have a pre existing heart condition or something, 273 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: and then it's boom, game over. So some are designed. 274 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Some of these weapons are designed to shoot what's called 275 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: a focus point or focused area of sound, like a 276 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: bullet from a gun or maybe a laser is a 277 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: better a better description, while others create a sustained field 278 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: of effect. Despite their names, not all these weapons are gigantic, 279 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: big booming, oversized nighties, golden era of hip hop boom boxes. 280 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: They're operating, some of them are operating outside of the 281 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: range of human hearing, like Nolan, Matt we're talking about 282 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: with the clip that they played and what what's happening there. 283 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: It's similar to that so called brown note. Do you 284 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: guys remember the story of the brown note? I think 285 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: South part made it famous. Yeah, yeah, it's the one 286 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: you can't hear but makes you poop, which we we've 287 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: examined in the past. At this point, there is no 288 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: universally accepted proof of the brown note, And who knows. 289 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's not real. Maybe it's because everybody 290 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: who proved it was too embarrassed, you know, nobody wanted 291 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: to soil themselves for the sake of scientific research. But 292 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: we're pretty sure it's at this point, Yeah, there's no 293 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: there's no real solid proof. So what this means if 294 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: something is outside the range of conscious human hearing, is 295 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: that victims can feel the effects of one of these 296 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: pieces of technology without necessarily associating those effects with an 297 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: actual sound. And through part of this, I have to 298 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: defer to my colleagues Matt and Null here because you 299 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: all are audio experts and you have. I think you 300 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: can give a good explanation at times with what sound is, 301 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: how it works, how the perception of sound works, what 302 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: we mean when we say a frequency, and all that. 303 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: So I just want to set that up that I 304 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: may ask some questions that relatively elementary to you. All, Okay, 305 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: no problem, and I will probably defer to Noel. So 306 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna set him up with a question right now, 307 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: and I will defer and turn back to Matt, and 308 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: then I will then defer to Paul, and and then 309 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: he will defer to you, ben Um, and then we'll 310 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: defer to you specifically, you listener. So here we go. 311 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: Here's the round robin. So when you're dealing with sounds, 312 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about waves. You're talking about energy being moved 313 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: through the air with these waves, So you've got amplitudes, 314 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: you've got frequencies, so like how close together, uh, the 315 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: sound wave is happening, how large that wave actually is, 316 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: which translates to volume. So there are all kinds of 317 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: things that we're gonna be discussing as we get into this, 318 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: and we're talking about hurts, killer hurts and mega hurts. 319 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Do you want to walk us through any of that? 320 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean only that it's a spectrum in the same 321 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: way that color is a spectrum. And you know, sound 322 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: is measured from the lowest uh to the highest in 323 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: terms of and then you know as something goes from 324 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: low frequency to high frequency, they get closer together, so 325 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: you can see it like on a wave form, a 326 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: lower sound is going to be is going to have 327 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: more space in between them than the higher sound is 328 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: going to have less space in between. And just to 329 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: jump in, when I say low, I mean low and 330 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: pitch and high end pitch when I'm talking about volumes. 331 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: So a lower sound could have a wavelength up to 332 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: seventeen meters, which would be twenty hurts, and then a 333 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: high frequency could have something that you would measure in centimeters, 334 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: which would be twenty thousand hurts. Wow. And it's also 335 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: important to remember that when you're hearing sounds, it's not 336 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: just your ears. Your entire body is being embarded by 337 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: these waves that are coming from a source. So you know, 338 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: when you imagine as a weapon, it's it's not like 339 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: they're attacking your ears, They're attacking your entire corporeal form. 340 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: And in the case of the brown note, your bowels. 341 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: That would be a very low sound that would move 342 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: you and your bowels and make you And that's that's 343 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: an incredibly important point. You know, the brown note may 344 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: sound humorous, but Matt, you're absolutely correct in that this does. 345 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: It's a body wide affect. Your drums and the auditory 346 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: system are going to be the most sensitive and the 347 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: thing we notice the most, but that doesn't mean the 348 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: rest of the body is immune to it. And if 349 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: you hear a low sound, like a real bassi sound 350 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: at a concert, you can feel it in your guts 351 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: and your sternum and stuff, you know, And that's what 352 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: sound is, right, vibration. So this idea of taking taking 353 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: a phenomenon is responsible for some of the most beautiful 354 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: moments of human existence. Listening to music, communicating, saying I 355 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: love you to a relative or you know, someone you're 356 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: hitting on a romantic partner, hearing your son's voice for 357 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: the first time. There we go, There we go. The 358 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: idea of turning that into a weapon sounds like some 359 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: old school sci fi comic book stuff from the Golden 360 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: age of comics, But the truth is this technology is 361 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: not theoretical. It's already being deployed in the field on 362 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: an experimental marginal basis, and research on it continues. And 363 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: this is not just a thing that is the domain 364 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: of DARPA. Multiple government agencies across the world have conducted 365 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: research with this, along with quite a few private entities. 366 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: And they're doing that because science backs up the claim 367 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: that sound can be used as a weapon. Earlier, we 368 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: had explored the use of sound as a psychological or 369 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: even a supernatural weapon shout out to us, See you 370 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: next time, But the weapons were exploring now are meant 371 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: to physically injure people. We know that high powered sound 372 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: way waves can easily disrupt or even destroy ear drums, 373 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: and this creates intense disorientation because our inner ear is 374 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: a primary method of determining balance for an individual body. 375 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: It's making me think back to those side effects he 376 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: talked about at the top of the show, that it 377 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: could cause you to get a little caddy wamp us 378 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: and start to kind of get that vertigo makes me 379 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: think of the character on Arrested Development played by Liza Manelli, 380 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: who's always got that she's got a case of the disease, 381 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: and she'll be walking around normal and then all of 382 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: a sudden kind of like well, stubble and then kind 383 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: of have to pick herself back up. You know, it's 384 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: a it's a legitimate thing that people suffer from, just 385 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, without being afflicted by weird secret government sound cannons. Yes, yeah, 386 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: and high intensity ultrasound of frequencies from seven kill it 387 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: hurts to three point six mega hurts can cause lung 388 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and intestinal damage in mice. So it's beyond the year. 389 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: We luckily don't have hard data about that in the 390 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: realm of human experimentation, at least not that is publicly available. Right, 391 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: heart rate patterns following vibroacoustic simulation can create serious negative consequences, uh, 392 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: such as Brady cardia atrial flutter. Sonic weapons are used 393 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: in non military applications too. Yes, there is a ship 394 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: called the s Born Spirit that at one point used 395 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: a long range acoustic device and l RAD to deter 396 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: some pirates that were attempting to board the ship and 397 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: and take things from it and perhaps even take the ship. 398 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: And they successfully used it, Yeah, they did. There's there's 399 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: another example that I find pretty funny, and I hope 400 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: that no one was seriously injured with this. But in 401 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, some stores began using sonic devices to 402 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: prevent teenagers from loitering. Because as as you age, as 403 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: the human body ages, you're hearing aggains to decay, and 404 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: there are certain sounds that you will not be able 405 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: to hear later in life. It's generally the higher frequencies 406 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: right right spot on. And so these store owners were 407 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: taking mobile devices and setting them up to admit a 408 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: sound at a pitch only younger ears were capable of hearing. 409 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: It's like only teenagers could hear this kind of thing. 410 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: It's like the millennial yelp, yeah, I think so in 411 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: every song and every song it's that like I think 412 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: it's well, yeah, only millennials can hear that. Oh man, 413 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: it does remind me of the sonic anti pest devices 414 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: that exists. You can find them in any hardware store 415 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: for you know, rodents and insects that admit a high 416 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: pitch sound. But if you turn those things on, I 417 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: swear to you you can. You can. You can hear it, 418 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: there's air moving and you can tell. Do you think 419 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: those actually work? Have you seen evidence that they that 420 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: they work? I've not. I've never wanted to have one 421 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: in my home. Wait, but you can actually real clean home. Yeah, 422 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: and you can actually hear them, you said, so maybe 423 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: they work on you. Not, it's not so much hearing 424 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: as sensing there's a disturbance. Does that compute at all? Yeah, totally, 425 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: and there's probably an obvious one. But like things like sonar, 426 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: where you know, you use sonic waves to detect objects 427 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: and map distances underwater, but it can really mess with 428 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: underwater creatures who encounter it. It can jack with their equilibrium, 429 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: like things we're talking about whales exactly. Yeah, whales will 430 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: have migration roots disrupted, and there's a dearth of very 431 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: significant or substantial research on that because I'm gonna argue, 432 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe this is this a topic for a different show, 433 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: but because various governments operating submarines don't want to admit 434 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: that they're destroying this wildlife. And of course I'm sure 435 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who say, oh, you're 436 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: gonna put the price of wales life over national security. 437 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah you're jerk, to which I say, oh, national security. 438 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: But overall, this is fascinating but pretty spooky stuff, right, Yeah, 439 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: actual humans being affected somehow by some sound. So what 440 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: happened next? Well, we'll tell you after a quick word 441 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. As the US Cuba joint investigation into 442 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: this incident continued, with the U S staff leaving or 443 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: leaving specifically for treatment, and Cuban staff being expelled from 444 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: the US and so on, more theories cropped up. For example, 445 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: what if this was a weapon operating in the infrasound ranges. 446 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: Anyone who's stuck with us for a while will pyric 447 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: their ears when they hear infrasound. It's because we've covered 448 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: this before. We we talked about it. With regards to 449 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: Vic Tandy. It's the man that thought he'd encountered some 450 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: kind of actual ghost, like for real, before discovering that 451 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: there was a fan, literally a fan, an oscillating fan 452 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: nearby that was emitting a sound below the range that 453 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: he could hear, and it was triggering all kinds of 454 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: things in his body, hallucinations, headaches, just weird feelings. And 455 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: eventually what Vic Tandy learned was that there actually was 456 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: something like a ghost. It was this frequency. So the 457 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: effects he was encountering were not just his mind playing 458 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: tricks on him. They where his body responding to an 459 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: external stimulus. And what's fascinating about this, at least to 460 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: me is that if it's true, if somebody weaponized this 461 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: infrasound idea, then and if it works the way that 462 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: this worked in vict Handy's experience, then someone literally invented 463 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: a ghost gun. Yeah. And can you imagine if you 464 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: had a large enough whatever you would need set of speakers. 465 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how large you would have to 466 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: be to omit that kind of low frequency sound that 467 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: far or that loud, but what you could do to 468 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: a population in a building or in maybe an entire city. 469 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm just picturing like a giant, massive subwaffer, just a 470 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: single one. You carry it around like on a ham truck. No, no, 471 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: you'd you would put it on a jet copter. You 472 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: just go around the city. So you're always thinking one 473 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: step ahead. However, there are some issues with the idea 474 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: of infrasound. If infrasound is the culprit here or the 475 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: means of transmission, then why did Handy not experienced severe 476 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: hearing loss? Is that is that you know two mats 477 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: point is that because the source of Tandy's experience was 478 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: just not as large or perhaps not as optimized for damage, 479 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: and maybe the frequencies were a little different, or maybe 480 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: we're what we're dealing with in the in the Cuban 481 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: embassy case, Is this in infrasound mixed with the high 482 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: pitched shone we heard? Oh yeah, that's right. Because multiple frequencies, 483 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: we have an audio potpourri. That's a very important point. Additionally, 484 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: according to New York Times, are reported by the National 485 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: Institute of Environmental Health Sciences that came out in two 486 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: thousand two noted that the U. S Military tried to 487 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: weaponize in for sound, but had not succeeded because it 488 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: was so hard to focus the wavelengths. The primary effective 489 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: infrasound they found appears to be annoyance. That's a quote 490 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: that just it's just like silly. It goes through what 491 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Noel was saying about pranks. You know, is this just 492 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: a is is this just equivalent of incessantly Facebook poking people? 493 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: You know, you use it on the enemy and it 494 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: keeps them from getting any work done. See. I but 495 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't know if I really believe this. 496 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say I don't believe a 497 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: report by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, but 498 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: I think it's fine. Well, you it feels like you 499 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: could definitely weaponize this thing. I can understand the biggest 500 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: problem being not being able to focus the wavelengths because 501 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're affecting the people who are also supposed to 502 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: be operating whatever you're deploying, something like like those giant 503 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: guns like the Babylon gun and rockets where they had 504 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: to the where the gun was so large that the 505 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: operators had to go three hundred yards away, cover their eyes, nose, ears, 506 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: and I think basically all their other orifices with cotton, 507 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: and then would still be bleeding when they launched it. 508 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: She So maybe it's maybe it's a situation where they 509 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: said they couldn't effectively weaponize it because they couldn't weaponize 510 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: it in a way they conformed to the operational constraints 511 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: like if it needs to affect somebody with an x 512 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: amount of yards and making everyone's anus bleed without making 513 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: everyone's anus bleed, and and if you know, like those 514 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: are considerations, and right now we don't know what those 515 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: exact constraints would be. But this leads us to another 516 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: possible culprit. So if infrasound, if we are taking the 517 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: word of the National Institute of environmental health sciences and 518 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: their second hand report when it is second hands that 519 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: primary source. If we're taking their word for an infrasound 520 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: for some reason doesn't work out, then what about ultrasound? Okay, 521 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: So with infrasound, we're talking about the lowest end of 522 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: the spectrum as far as wavelengths go. What about that 523 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: high end stuff? So at those really high frequencies they 524 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: were talking about, with the really small wavelengths that are 525 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: measured in centimeters rather than meters um higher than twenty 526 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: thou hurts, which is beyond the range of human hearing, 527 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: ultrasound can totally do serious tissue damage if produced with 528 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: enough juice. That's key, right, that's why. Okay, So for 529 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: anybody in the audience who had kidney stones or knows 530 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: somebody in your family who had kidney stones, that's why 531 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: one of the treatments that doctors use for kidney stones 532 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: is ultrasound. They'll use focus blast of this very high 533 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: frequency sound to break kidney stones apart and do small 534 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: enough pieces that they can pass through your body. But 535 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: luckily it does not affect your boys. You're right, yeah, luckily, Yeah, 536 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: we're sure about that, because I still haven't had one. Well, 537 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's my question. I mean it. I 538 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: guess it's the focused nature of it. Like if they 539 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: shot you directly in the testes with that, maybe it 540 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: could have impact. I imagine, Well, yeah, that's that's good. 541 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: It just turns it from kidney stones into kidney shards. 542 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: Balls aren't built for ultrasound. But yeah, without without being 543 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: frightening about it or alarmist, it is, it is absolutely 544 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: true that this stuff can do physical damage in this 545 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: focus form of damaging kidney stones is only one application. 546 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: You know, you also hear about lower versions of this 547 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: when someone has an ultrasound during your pregnancy. Right, So, 548 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: why again can't they focus it more and and and 549 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: raise the power If we're talking about doing you know, 550 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: tissue damage, if it's produced with enough energy, why can't 551 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: they just use a really really by day, I mean, 552 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: the the ultimate evil that's out to destroy us all, 553 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: whoever that may be. Why can't they just use a 554 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: giant power source and do the same technology and have 555 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: it be focused enough to shoot over long distances and 556 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, use it to like assassinate somebody for example, 557 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: and it would be undetectable, like like like aut invisible bullet. 558 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: This you know, this reminds me of Illumination Global Unlimited 559 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: and their fantastic products. Would like to thank them sponsoring 560 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: the show. Uh and we assure you that we are 561 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: required to say they are in no way related to 562 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: the Shadowy Cabal NOL just mentioned it is. It is 563 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: a question though, it's a great question. Why can't we 564 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: Why can't they use it as a bullet and their 565 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: advantages to this invisible bullet. First off, there wouldn't be 566 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: a physical artifact in the dead body of the victim, right, 567 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: it would look as though their body were shattered. But 568 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: the issue is even though they found researchers found that 569 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: they could create beams that were powerful enough in a 570 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: laboratory so maybe not mobile to kill a mouse at 571 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: close range a fatal sonic weapon. But despite the fact 572 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: that you could take the same technology that's used in 573 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: medical scans and so on and up up its power 574 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: level to the point of causing death, the problem is 575 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: that it's almost like DC power. So direct current power 576 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: had one primary one big disadvantage was that it dissipated 577 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: quickly over distances. So in Edison's original plan for an 578 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: energy infrastructure, there would have to be these stations and 579 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: a relatively small distance apart from one another repeater pretty much. Yeah, yeah, 580 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: And what's happening with this idea with ultrasound is that 581 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: it's also losing power pretty quickly over long distances. And 582 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, the reality is that if you have a 583 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: gun that you could go and you know, point at someone, 584 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: say Paul finally gets tired of us and decides to 585 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: kill us with a sonic weapon, because it's like, I 586 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: don't know, you got time on your hands or something, 587 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: and window right, then, how close do you have to be? 588 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: The other problem with it, specifically in the case of 589 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: Havana is that humidity really really messes with the effect. 590 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: Well that's a dampener no pun intended, but I mean 591 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: it is. It's like another material that it has to 592 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: pass through that dissipates the sound in the same way 593 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: we have crap up on the walls here in this 594 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: here room that soaks up sound waves and and keeps 595 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: the room from sounding echo e. That's because it's dissipating 596 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: those sound waves in a way. And you could use 597 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: the same stuff to break up a sound wave or 598 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: damping it like and keep it from transmitting from one 599 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: room to another, because it's literally stopping it, or at 600 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: least slowing it down or breaking it up to the 601 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: point where it's not going to be as powerful. So 602 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: for a second, let's imagine that something like this weapon 603 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: exists out there and it's in the hands of somebody 604 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: in Cuba and it was being deployed in Who would 605 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: be doing it the Cuban government. That's a really interesting 606 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: question because naturally the Cuban government is going to deny 607 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: this stuff, but some people from the U. S side 608 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: would be tempted to agree with them. Former officials from 609 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: the Obama administration believe that if there were a weapon 610 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: in play, Cuba would definitely not be the person or 611 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: the organization pulling the trigger. Really, yeah, you're setting me up, 612 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Well, well, no, I'm I'm. I 613 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: think it's just because it's the US embassy inside Cuba. 614 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: There have been tensions there for a long time between 615 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: the United States and Cuba, and it seems like if 616 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: you're attacking them, as if that's your target, then it 617 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: would be motivated for some reason because of those tensions. 618 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: At least that's me coming from a complete Novice of 619 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: International Affairs side. You know, I think that's completely reasonable too. 620 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem a far leap to make. According to 621 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: a foreign policy advisor for the Obama administration, a guy 622 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: named Ben Rhodes, go Ben's this is it's sort of 623 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: counterintuitive to blame Cuba for this. Rhodes says, I don't 624 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: think the Cuban government is behind it. He was also 625 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: involved in negotiating the opening or the approachment between Havana 626 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: and d C. Well, that is true. In around this time, 627 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: we're like human the United States are going through kind 628 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: of a reconnecting, right, Yeah, huh first, says Rhodes. These 629 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: things apparently started in December. At the same time attacks 630 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: were starting, the Cuban government was frantically concluding agreements with US, 631 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: US being the Obama administration signing business deals, in other words, 632 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: trying to preserve the relationships. So the notion that at 633 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: the same time as doing that, they would initiate something 634 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: that's so obviously designed to blow up the relationship doesn't 635 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: make sense. But you know it does make sense. What's 636 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: that a splinter group within the government or within the 637 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: some intelligence agency that's functioning in the Cuban government or 638 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: the United States government or yeah, an agent of chaos 639 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: who doesn't want the relationship to go a jet copter 640 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: of sorts. I could totally see that happening somebody, even 641 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: from the U S side. This is complete speculation. UM, 642 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: someone from the U S side that didn't want the relationship, 643 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: relationship to be rekindled, and so they do an attack 644 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: on the U. S. Embassy to make it look as 645 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: though relations are souring. So this takes us to another 646 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: question then, which would be um, Who then would be 647 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: the hand that moves the sonic weapon. It could be, 648 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: as you've proposed, Matt, a splinter group on the U 649 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: S side or on the Cuban side who doesn't want 650 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: to see the relationship open or wants to at least 651 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: maintain his status quo of isolation on Cuba's end. Other 652 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: people will point the finger at some of the US 653 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: is long time recurring boogeman. A similar case was reported 654 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: in Uzbekistan. A U S. A I D officer and 655 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: his wife had symptoms that closely matched what was happening 656 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: what the what the employees in Cuba said was happening 657 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: to them, and this led some media sources to blame 658 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: Russia and say that Russia was deploying this. They did 659 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: it in Uzbekistan, they're doing it in Cuba. Interesting because 660 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: they're bad. It's like, that's like the assumption. Well yeah, 661 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: but there is another angle though, I guess because q 662 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: and Russia again have a longstanding relationship, and I wonder 663 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: if there was anything there. Oh man, I love I 664 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: love pondering these things without knowing all the information because 665 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: it leaves so many different avenues open to think about. 666 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: So the other twist there is Cuba went a step further. 667 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: They said there's absolutely no proof that any weapon exists 668 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: or was deployed, not just by them, but by anyone. 669 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: They're saying, look at what happens, look at what people 670 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: are reporting. There's no gun. Yeah, you know what I mean, 671 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: at least no large gun. Right into Knowl's earlier point, 672 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: how large would have to be. Now we have to 673 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: ask ourselves, what if there's no weapon, What if there's 674 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: no spoon to quote the matrix? What if what if 675 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: no actual weapon exists? What does that even mean? I mean, 676 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, skeptics will say that allegations of this kind 677 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: of sonic weaponry just don't add up and kind of 678 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: defy the laws of nature of science. Yeah, right, like 679 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: just the everything we know about how sound works, how 680 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: it travels, like the points you brought up earlier in 681 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: a like humidity, which I now feel like a fool. 682 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: We were well, well, I don't know about the long 683 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: distance about don't think that. Why can't we have a 684 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: sonic sniper gun that just uses the technology they used 685 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: to break up your kidney stones to assassinate someone from far, 686 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: far away? And um, I realized now that that is 687 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: a pipe dream. Maybe not. It just really were arguing 688 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: the size of the gun. I guess it's true. And 689 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: like you know, and when I say a long distance, 690 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying miles. I just mean far enough away 691 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: that it could be focused and used unseen. But maybe 692 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: there is a way. I don't know. Yeah, I keep backpedaling. 693 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I'm going out there on the limb. 694 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, it's it's possible. Well, so far we've 695 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: kind of been imagining that it's one large weapon that 696 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: a military someone would deploy. What if we're talking more 697 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: about very tiny maybe not maybe not so tiny, but 698 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: small versions that are maybe littered throughout an embassy where 699 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: they're able to produce that kind of sound and have 700 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: that frequency response. But they're just in the walls somewhere, 701 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: or in the ducting system or somewhere where they can 702 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: where it's audible, and you can still get hit with 703 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: the sound waves, but you wouldn't see it. Similar preps 704 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: to the way that the hotel room would be bugged 705 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: with many cameras, or to get really dark and disturbing 706 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: about it, the way in that show ODZ. A lot 707 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: of times folks were killed by slowly being fed ground 708 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: up glass and their food. Right, So if you have 709 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: these sonic devices that are in your office and you 710 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: go in there every day and you're constantly getting doses 711 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,959 Speaker 1: of this stuff, maybe it wouldn't hit you all at once, 712 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: but it would slowly weaken you over time. Maybe there's 713 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: an aggregate effect, especially in your sleep. M Yeah, but 714 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: if the noise was audible to them, how could they sleep? 715 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: You know what? There are questions they wouldn't it not 716 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: be audible though, because I mean, surely when you get 717 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: that treatment done, you know, for kidney stones, you're not 718 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: hearing a horrible, shrill, high pitched sound. That's true. You're 719 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: not but in this case, we have an example of 720 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: what it did sound like that, and they were they 721 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: did report an audible shrill sounds, so oh yeah, I 722 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: don't know, but that's what they heard. Also, so they 723 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: may have had other times where they only you know, 724 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: maybe an iceberg of sorts like the audible stuff is 725 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: what they can see. That's the iceberg above the water. 726 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: Audible dot Com is the leading provider of audiobooks and yeah, 727 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: if you enter our promotion code um sonic Death Ray, yep, 728 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: you can get ten percent off a cookie at my house. 729 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: Really yep. How's your cookie business going so far? We're 730 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: just hemorrhaging money. They're just giving them away. Oh man, well, 731 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: I am a little bit offended. Or maybe no cookies exist, 732 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: just like maybe no sonic weapons exist in this situation. 733 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: In fact, some neurologists have argued that the real source 734 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: of the problem is not a weapon and not a 735 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: sound at all. Instead, they think it's a sort of 736 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: mass hysteria. Yeah, this is according to Mark Hollett, the 737 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: head of a human motor control section of the u 738 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: S National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Would you 739 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: love to see that in your email? Every time you 740 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 1: have to send something out the head of human motor control. 741 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: That's very That's yeah, that's important. It does. And he says, 742 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: from an objective point of view, it's more like mass 743 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: hysteria than anything else. Mass hysteria is something we've mentioned before, 744 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: what maybe when we talk about Salem which trials, which 745 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 1: was the source of my ou By the way, I'm 746 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: not dismissing mass hysteria, and of course can absolutely be 747 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: a thing. I was just trying to play the game. Yeah, 748 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: and I think it works. So we know massysteria is real. 749 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: We know it's dangerous. It's resulted in deaths throughout history, right, 750 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: oftentimes the deaths of completely innocent people. It describes an 751 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: outbreak among groups of people that are partially or holy 752 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: psycho somatic. And the that means without deriving these victims 753 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: or placing any blame upon them, that means that their 754 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,280 Speaker 1: perceptions or their beliefs of what are happening, their internal 755 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: narratives are determining these symptoms that they are encountering, and 756 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: they're attributing that to an external source. Yeah, and I 757 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: wonder throughout the investigation that's being conducted, if they're focusing 758 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: on everything like the water supply for that building, because 759 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about a lot of people who are drinking 760 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: the same water, who are using the same facilities, who 761 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: are breathing the same air. You know, that's all in 762 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: a closed system. So I wonder if you know there 763 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: are other extenuating circumstances there. That's a good that's a 764 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: good question. We don't know how far the investigation has 765 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: gone because they're not completely public about much else other 766 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: than the investigation is ongoing, phrase we hear often. Well. 767 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: Alett says this is more commonly a thing that affects 768 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: smaller groups of people, often in families, but he does 769 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: say it's feasible for a larger group to be affected 770 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: if they're working together closely, especially in in tents and 771 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: hostile environment. There you go, and it's probably true they 772 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: are seeing the same people every day. They're probably living 773 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: in somewhat of a bubble. So that's that's a neurologist 774 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: take on it, and it leads us to some conclusions 775 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: where we at now. Well. The Cuban Ministry of Foreign 776 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: Affairs claimed that it learned of these health issues on 777 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: February seventeenth, and opened a quote comprehensive priority and urgent 778 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: investigation and quote, and they formed a committee to carry 779 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: out set investigation. And so that's uh February seventeen, seventeen, 780 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: and we know what's been happening since before that. In 781 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: sen that's just when they heard about it. And they 782 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: also said the ministry had increased security around the American 783 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: embassy and all of the diplomatic residences where people working 784 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: at the embassy reside. And they additionally said, as as 785 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: we have mentioned earlier, there's not a weapon. If there was, 786 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,359 Speaker 1: Cuba had nothing to do with it. Why on earth 787 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,760 Speaker 1: will we do that? Stop accusings of stuff? And according 788 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: to a spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Western 789 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: Hemisphere Affairs, since September, the Department of State has been 790 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: contacted by nineteen US citizens who are reported experiencing symptoms 791 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: similar to those listed in the travel warning after visiting Cuba. 792 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: So these are extra other people right who are reporting 793 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: these symptoms. At this point, we do not have a 794 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: conclusive cause. It's up in the air as to whether 795 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: we will ever find a conclusive cause. Two of the 796 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: big front runners for this event are going to be 797 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: mass hysteria. If you listen to some neurologists sonic weapon, 798 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: if you listen to some again enough aonymous government officials. 799 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: You have to wonder about the timing of this, as 800 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: Matt said, you have to wonder about the specifics and 801 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: how much happened behind the curtain. But as we know now, 802 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: something happened, something happened. Is there is there a cover up? 803 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: Is it just a case of people being misinformed? Do 804 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: you have some insider info that you would like to 805 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: share with us? 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