1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, And for this week's selects, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: I've chosen how Good Samaritan Laws work. We dive into 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: the weird, wacky, wild, extremely patchwork world of good Samaritan laws, 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: laws that are meant to protect people who lend aid 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: or help to other people in need. Sometimes as people 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: in need are not too happy with the help that 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: they get, and it creates all sorts of problems. So 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: check out this really interesting episode and this week's select enjoy. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: and there's Charles w. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you should Know. Just a trio 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: of helpful types who like to go around the world 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: and escort people through crosswalks and get sued for it. 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Escorting someone to a busy intersection against the light right, 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: and then you get to the other side and hold 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: out your hand, say lay some bread on me, sucker. 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: All these are bad ideas, they really are, they really are. 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: But I mean we're full of those, aren't we, Chuck, Yeah, 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean just brimming with them. That's our log line 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: to ten plus years of bad ideas, all right, or 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: oh god, you've been listening to us this whole time? 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Oh boy, So you're feeling pretty good 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: about this one, because I gotta tell you I am. Yeah. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if folks listen to our I think, dare 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: I say it was a good episode on the very 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: sad case of Kitty Genovese in New York. That was 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: a good episode. You can go back and listen to that. 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good setup because in that, just 30 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: to recap very quickly, in the mid sixties, a young 31 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: woman was was raped and killed in a very busy 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: area of New York City, and uh, it was very 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: famous because many many people um supposedly heard the attack, 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: watched the attack, perhaps didn't do anything, made the news, 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: and created something that they study still today. And uh 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: in psychology classes called the bystander effect. Yeah, this this 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: idea of responsibility diffusion where if you have a bunch 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: of people standing around no one, everybody just assumed somebody 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: else will help, and they don't help. Yeah, Joshua Clark 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: or some help. Sure, leave it up to him. And 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, well, obviously Chuck's gonna help. He's 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: a better person than me, and then we're both just 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: staying there and do nothing. Yeah, in the meantime, Jerry's 44 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: just laying there with like a jolly rancher in her throat, right, 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: But everybody knows she can't talk anyway, so she can't 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: call for help. It's very hard to tell sometimes that 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: Jerry's in need of assistance, or if she's just being Jerry, right, 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: or if she even exists. However, article says that, um, 49 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: the bystander effect in this case in particular, led to 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: the first good Samaritan laws in our country. Yeah, that 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: is not true, because two years before that, right here 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: in Georgia, our first laws went into effect. Yeah. The 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: one I found that was the earliest was in nineteen 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: fifty nine, five years before Kitty Geneviz was murdered, and 55 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: that was in California, and that protected doctors who were 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: administering aid in emergency situations. Hippie liberal elitist out there 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: right the left coast. But but it's a weird thing 58 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: to tie together the bystander effect and good Samaritan laws 59 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: because they don't actually go together. They're not that you 60 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: like you want them to fit together, but when you 61 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: lay them side by side, you're like, oh, these are 62 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: these are two different types of sea monkeys. I thought 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: they were husband and wife, but they're not. Oh I 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: see the correlation. I want to. My brain just won't 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: quite make the the connection. Like if someone had race 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: down to help Kitty Genevise and render her aid and 67 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: not been a bystander, then they could You know that 68 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: falls into the good Samaritan laws. It does, but really 69 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: it falls more under like the duty to act laws, 70 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: like you'll get in trouble if you if you are 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: just a bystander if you don't do something, whereas a 72 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: good Samaritan law basically says, if you do do something 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: and you help Kitty Genevise or somebody who's in trouble 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: and you make their situation worse, you can't be sued 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: for for rendering eight because you were acting in good faith. 76 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: So it's kind of there, but it's not quite. It 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: doesn't click. I got you, you know what I'm saying. 78 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: I hear you, all right, Okay, I just really wanted 79 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: to get that off of my chest. Well, uh so, yeah, 80 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: you just kind of said it like those those laws 81 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: are in place now as protections generally, um, for American 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: that they happened all over the world. We'll talk about 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: a few of the laws here and there, but uh, 84 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: all fifty states and Washington, d C. The the District 85 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: of Columbia have some sort of laws on the books, 86 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: uh that that you can basically be protected potentially and 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: not held responsible for your actions even if they cause harm. 88 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: But because it's state law if you're not American, I'm 89 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: not sure how it works in all countries, but they 90 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the laws and from states to state on the same 91 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: thing can vary wildly. Yeah, and certainly in this case, 92 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: it's what they call a patchwork of state laws in 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: need of a federal law for sure. Yeah, for sure. 94 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: So because there's so many different laws in so many 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: different states. Um, you know, if the actions that you 96 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you perform in one state might get you you know, 97 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: you might get your mug on the front page of 98 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: the paper being celebrated, and in another state your mugs 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: on the front page of the paper because you just 100 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: got sued, you know. So we'll we'll dive into that 101 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: a little more. But first let's talk about where the 102 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: name for the laws come from. Chalk. Yeah, I remember 103 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: this story from my church going days as a kid. 104 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: That really stood out to me back then, because uh, 105 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: well it's in Luke and the story is is that 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: a Jewish man was assaulted and robbed on the road 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: and left for dead basically, and some people passed by 108 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: without rendering aid. A Jewish priest and a levite, which 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: is an assistant priest basically assistant to the priest. Do 110 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: you have the impression that the priest and the levite 111 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: were together, or that the priests passed and then at 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: some point later on the levite passed. You know what 113 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: this is going back a lot of years, dude. But 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: if my memory is telling me that they were two 115 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: separate things, Okay, I knew that question would pay you all. 116 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: But I might be wrong, But my my old I 117 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: still have some old church memories rattling around in this 118 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: dusty noggin. He just saw like smoke come out of 119 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: my ears. I thought that was a flower. Oh sure, well, 120 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm gluten free though, Oh are you? No, Emily is so, 121 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: But by default I sometimes I am right, sure, No, 122 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. You know that goes. But finally, 123 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: as the story goes, a Samaritan. Um, that is, a 124 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: person from Samaria who were bitter enemies of the Jews, 125 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: came by, and what did he do? He said, Hey, buddy, 126 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: you look like you're having a pretty rotten day. Let 127 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: me help you out, that's right. And he did. He 128 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: not only said here, let me let me pick you 129 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: up and get you out of this dusty road. Um, 130 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you to an inn. And not only 131 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: am I gonna do that, I'm gonna pay for your 132 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: room at the end. And then I'm gonna say it, 133 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: bid you a good day and good health. Audios enemy. 134 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: And he did. Imagine this chuck this good Samaritan story. 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that the actually took place, That this 136 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: is a real story that happened, right, it's not just 137 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: a parable. Imagine if you were that guy, that Samaritan 138 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: who did this thing, this act of goodwill, and two 139 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: thousand years later, people around the world are still talking 140 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: about it. How great would that happy? You know? Yeah, 141 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes after our show ends, no one's going 142 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: to talk about it, right, you know, just like all 143 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: of this the talk shows, we've been on the kiss 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: of death that we have, Uh, but yeah, for sure. 145 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean every even if you are like the most 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: atheistic agnostic human on earth. You've heard of the story 147 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: of the Good Samaritan. It's just one of those things 148 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: that is is transcended religion into pop culture. Yeah, and 149 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I had never known that at the time. Like you said, 150 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the Jews and the Samaritans hated each other um And 151 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: apparently I looked it up. They really really did not 152 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: like each other. It wasn't just like over religious stuff, 153 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: it was over political stuff too, and how those things intertwined. 154 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: So they really did not get along. So not only 155 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: did this guy help somebody in need, he helped an 156 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: an enemy in need. So I think he does deserve 157 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: to be to be commemorated for eons over that. Sure, 158 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: But that's where the name of the law comes from. 159 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Good Samaritan laws are when you stop and help somebody, 160 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: whether it's your enemy or your friend, um, in an 161 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: emergency situation, typically you are you should not be penalized 162 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: if your good intentions cause further harm, right, which seems 163 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: very much like a no brainer, But it is complicated. 164 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: The more you read into this stuff, the more you're like, man, 165 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of nuance to to the variations of 166 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: these laws. Yeah, the more you read into it, the 167 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: more you're like, I am going to end up second 168 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: guessing myself the next time I'm faced with an emergency situation. 169 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: Like I hadn't thought about it before, but it's like, yeah, 170 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: you could totally get sued for helping somebody out, depending 171 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: on where you are. Yeah, I've never come across this, 172 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: not even close. What an emergency situation I have I have, Yeah, 173 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: it was. I was one of many at an accident. 174 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: I witnessed the accident. It was like one of those 175 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: things where you see it happening, you just see it 176 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: in slow motion and you're just like trying to will 177 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: it to stop with your body and it doesn't work. 178 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: It was a man who got tebowed by another car 179 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: that he didn't see coming. Um and uh. I was 180 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: one of the people on the scene kind of helping out. 181 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: It didn't even occur to me that that that that 182 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: man could be Like these people hurt me, you know, 183 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: in in helping I didn't touch the guy or anything 184 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: like that, but I mean other people were, and um, 185 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, we called for help and all that, so 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: I think we did it about as good as you can, 187 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: but nothing about the situation was like, well I need 188 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: to I need to watch out for my legal exposure here, 189 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: like something real quick, right where what state in my end? 190 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Let me just check out what's going on as this, 191 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: like you know, person is bleeding in the street right exactly, 192 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: But it is nuanced and and after reading some of 193 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: these examples, I I you know, I get both sides 194 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: of the coin for sure. So I mean, for example, 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: like there are a couple of things that all of 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: this patchwork of of um of Good Samaritan laws will 197 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: will have in common basically two as this article states. 198 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: One is that you can't be compensated for helping out. 199 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty literal reading of the law. I 200 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: think it's meant to exempt emergency workers, paramedics, doctors, like 201 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: they they've got their their whole own set of laws 202 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: governing their actions or inactions, right, so to keep them 203 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: from giving preferential treatment. I think it's mostly to say 204 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: this is meant to um. This is this is my 205 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: interpretation of it, UM. But from what I've seen with 206 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: Good Samaritan laws, it's it's totally in the eye of 207 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the beholder. But the the that's to say, like, this 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: covers non medical professionals, is who we're talking about, And 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: to to define that, they're saying this is this covers 210 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: somebody who isn't compensated for their assistance, and that's been 211 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: transmuted into you can't be compensated for your assistance or 212 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: else that that leaves you exposed to legal action later. 213 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: So when you were sort of kidding around at the beginning, though, 214 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: but if you saved, Let's say you perform the Heimli 215 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: at a restaurant and the persons like, man, you just 216 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: save my life. Here's a here's a finsky. Don't take 217 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that five dollar bill and also throw it back in 218 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: their face and say this is what your life is worth, 219 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: right exactly? And they say, yeah, I don't really love myself. Well, 220 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: then then you introduced them to a good analyst and 221 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: go about your day. Analysts. What is that? What do 222 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: I New Yorker in the seventies, You sound like Carrie Green. 223 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Nobody says analyst anymore. It was weird. And I think 224 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: that's what Bob Newhart was, was he? I think I 225 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: think yeah, he did consider himself as an analyst. That 226 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: seems like an antiquated term. Though, yes, now it's therapist, 227 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: right or shrink Yeah yeah, shrink head shrinker, I think 228 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: is the preferred term. Yeah, I don't know, I would 229 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: have been in a while. Oh yeah, years. It's good. 230 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: It's good. Good to go talk to people, you know 231 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, yeah, but I got it all 232 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: figured out now. Oh well, that's good. You're cured is 233 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: what they call that. They cured me. I hope they 234 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: gave your shrinking award. Do you know what the cure is? 235 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: What is not really thinking about things too much? Yeah, 236 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: that's a good, that's good advice. Now, I'm just kidding 237 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: because people have real problems, but I never have had 238 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the real problems. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think like 239 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: even if you don't have like real problems, if you 240 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: don't have like, you know, some sort of chemical imbalance 241 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: or diagnosable condition, just about anybody can benefit from time 242 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: to time to go just talk. It's not even necessarily 243 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: the counselor helping us. Just being in a situation where 244 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: you're talking out loud and walking through your problems to 245 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: find out what you actually think. It's very helpful. Yeah, 246 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: I mean I do that at my doctor and my 247 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: dentist and they're like, dude, we don't want to hear this. 248 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: Go see see an analyst. You're like, well, I know 249 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm knocking out two birds of once time. So uh 250 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: all right, let's go over just a couple of these. 251 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like we said, they're they're different everywhere. But 252 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: there was one other thing, chuck, Okay, So I said 253 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: that there were two things in common, and one of 254 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: them as you can't be competition. The other one, almost 255 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: across the board with any any law you're gonna find 256 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: is that you can't act recklessly, recklessly negligently. Wow, that's 257 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: tough to get out. You would not hold up in court. 258 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I'd be like, give me my five dollars as your lawyer, 259 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: or maybe that's your defense. You're like your honor, I 260 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: can't even says and nigluch um. Yeah, those are two 261 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: important uh factors for these laws for sure. Yeah, Like 262 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what they all have in common generally, right, 263 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: that's right. But from there, like if you go to Oklahoma, 264 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: let's say, you're only um given protection if you are untrained, 265 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: Like you're just a regular person, right, You're not a 266 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: a medic let's say, or a doctor, and only if 267 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: you're giving CPR or trying to stop blood laws. Right, 268 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: that's weirdly specific. I've seen that, like, um, that that's 269 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: that's you could say that that was the third thing 270 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: that they all have in common, Like, if you're administering 271 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: CPR or something really basic that any person would want 272 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: to do or try to do, Um, you're probably protected 273 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: by a good Samaritan law. Yeah, and defribrillators are covered 274 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: in a lot of these laws. Since those have really 275 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: gotten I guess just more common, like the you know, 276 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: the and I looked into buying one of those. They're 277 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: expensive though, Yeah, you looked into buying one. Yeah, just 278 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: carry around with you, No, not to carry around, but 279 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: to to have of like not in my car. I 280 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: got you. Um, so you could yeah, I mean you 281 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: could help somebody stranding on the side of the road 282 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: with a jumper cable or get their ticket going. Again. 283 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: The key I've heard is that when you're when you're 284 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: setting them up to be defibrillated, you have to shout 285 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: hot stuff right before you engage it. I thought they 286 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: would be like three or four hundred bucks. How much 287 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: are they? I don't I mean thousands of dollars. I 288 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: can't remember how many thousands, but it was enough to 289 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: where I just kind of closed the browser and went 290 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: and a coold News or something. Well, you know, God 291 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: bless those malls in America having them every ten feet 292 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: and keeping us all safe. Sure, I'm sure their insurance 293 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: helps pay for that. I guess you, cynic Uh. Here's 294 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: another one in Vermont. You can be fined actually if 295 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: you are a bystander and don't do anything. I kind 296 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: of love this one. Yeah, this is this is what 297 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: I think the law should be. You know, get a 298 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: penalty unless you're jumping in there. Yeah, and I mean 299 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: obviously not putting your own life in jeopardy. Like this 300 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: is not like if you see somebody getting mugged you 301 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: have to go wrestle the gun away from the guy, 302 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: or jumping into the frozen Potomac River. Sure, but that 303 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: if you see someone in need and you just keep 304 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: walking by, you should you should suffer some sort of 305 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: consequence for that. You should act um that. I mean, 306 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: this is a this is a very slippery slope right here, 307 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: because compelling people to act, that's that's a big that's 308 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: a big infringement on personal liberty. But at the same time, 309 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, come on, you know, if you 310 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: have to invigorate somebody's humanity with a little bit of 311 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: law here there, I'm kind of in favor of the UM. 312 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories that I can ever see 313 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: on any news program is when you see a group 314 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: of people coming together to like, and saving people is 315 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: great too, but like to pull a goat out of 316 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: a river or something, and there's like the guy with 317 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: the truck and another guy's like, I got rope, and 318 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: this lady comes up and it's like I'm a goat whisperer. Uh, 319 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: and they all like you see like six or eight 320 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: strangers come together to to rescue like an animal. Yeah, 321 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: but they tied the best, they tied the not too 322 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 1: tight and accidentally pull the goat in two and then 323 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: they got susy. That's how it goes. Uh. And then 324 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: Michigan just forget about it, like it is so convoluted 325 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: and weird. In Michigan, UM, they protect people who declined 326 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: to offer assistance, but then they also protect like what 327 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: is it ski patrol um? What else? There's like three 328 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: very weirdly specific If you're a block parent, which means 329 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: you your house is designated as a safe place. You know, 330 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: the safe place signs that you see on seven elevens 331 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: and stuff. I never noticed. It's if you're a little 332 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: kid and you some some stranger, danger guy in a 333 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: trench coat is following you, you can run into a 334 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: thing that has a safe ace and they will protect 335 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: you and all the cops and call your parents. In Michigan, 336 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I guess you can volunteer as a person whose house 337 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: is a safe place and you're you're exempted through Good 338 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: Samaritan laws, right, but you show up and they're like, 339 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: you're in a house state fan, right, you can't come 340 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: in uh so potential as sisters, medical personnel block parent 341 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: volunteers and National Ski Patrol in Michigan, or if you're 342 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: giving CPR or using an emergency defibrillator. Again, I think 343 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: that's pretty well. That's like covered almost across the board. 344 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: That's like the one area that they just want to 345 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: make sure that everyone once you know, we would jump 346 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: in on. Yeah, I think so. And I think that's 347 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they make them so prominent 348 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: in in public. I mean, it's not like you have 349 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: to break glass and there's like a fire hose that 350 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: you have to know how to get off and turn 351 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: the thing on, like it's meant for the public to 352 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: go grab and use, not just for emergency personnel, because 353 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: using a defibrillator in a in a timely manner has 354 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: such an impact on on the survival rate from a 355 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: heart attack that you want people walking around knowing how 356 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: to use one and ready to use one in in 357 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: an emergency situation. Argentina, this is tricky. Yeah, you could 358 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: uh face jail time for either putting a person in 359 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: jeopardy or abandoning a person to their fate. It's a 360 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: real fine line, it is, for sure. Like I think 361 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: if you yeah, it is a tricky one. I went 362 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: back and rewad it too, and I'm like, nope, that's 363 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. But I'd like the idea of 364 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: abandoning to them to their fate if they need help, 365 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: like somebody on a mountain or something like that, and 366 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: just being like sorry, chump and walking along. I like 367 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: that idea that you you have to do something for them, 368 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: you're saying, right, You like the idea of just saying, well, 369 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of in God's hands. Now. That's Michigan, Michigan 370 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: protects that. Right. Should we take a break, Yeah, it's 371 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: all right. Let's take a break, and we're gonna talk 372 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: about a very interesting case from California about fifteen years 373 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: ago right after this. All right, dude, we're back and 374 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: we're in California And during the ad break we got 375 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: in the way back machine and it's two thousand four. Yeah, 376 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: oh wait, I was still living there. Oh yeah, we're 377 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna run into you. I've arranged it. I just didn't 378 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: know you. I'm like, who's that guy? I got in 379 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: touch with past Chuck and I said, you're gonna want 380 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: to meet somebody special. You're like, just wait for that beard. 381 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna have one day a right, Like what, I 382 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: don't know, I can't grow beard. Yeah, and he'll be like, 383 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: well at least I got all my teeth. That checks out. 384 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh the salad days. Um. All right, So this case 385 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: is really interesting. Uh. Lisa Torti and Alexandra Van Horne 386 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: were makeup artists that worked together. Um, friendly acquaintances as 387 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: co workers, but I didn't get the picture that they 388 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: were like best buddies or anything. Yeah, we guess the 389 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: lawsuit implies that they wanted so they went out as 390 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: a as a group of not just those two, but 391 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of people from work went out for some 392 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: drinks in the l A area. One of them, Alexandra 393 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Van Horn, was headed back and crashed her car pretty 394 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: bad crash. I think it's like fort into a telephone bowl. Yeah. Yeah, 395 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: she's like all the air bags deployed. Uh. Lisa Torti 396 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: was I saw this, got out of her car, saw smoke, 397 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: saw liquid and was like, I think this, this car 398 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: might explode. I need to do something quick, and pulled 399 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: Alexandra Van Horn from the car, which seems like it 400 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: had a hand in in paralyzing her. Yeah. I mean 401 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: that's one thing you want to really be careful doing 402 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: is moving somebody and you probably don't want to move 403 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: them at all. But again, Lisa Torty thought that Alexandra 404 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Van Horne's car was about to blow up, so she 405 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: decided that she was better off trying to get her 406 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: out of the car, and in court, Van Horne said 407 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: that Torty yanked her from the car like a rag 408 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: doll um. Torty said, the smoke, the smoke, and and 409 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: I mean, looking back on it, it's probably it was 410 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: Annie Freeze on a hot hot motor. But even still 411 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: she acted in good faith and so California's Good Samaritan laws, 412 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: she said, you can't sue me. I was trying to 413 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: help you, UM, in an emergency situation. Sorry, the Good 414 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: Samaritan laws cover this. And by the way, I'm no 415 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: longer speaking to you. Yeah, probably so. Uh. It went 416 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: all the way to the California Supreme Court, where they 417 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: ruled that UM she could sue her for end and 418 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: co worker because protection at that time, at least for 419 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: the Good Samaritan law was only for those administering medical care, 420 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: not rescue care. Well, so the law said that it 421 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: was emergency care, and the court interpreted that to me 422 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: medical care, which was like what in the legislature even 423 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: said like, no, that's not at all how we meant it. Interesting. Yeah, 424 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they amended the law the next year to 425 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: say specifically medical or non medical emergency care. But that 426 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: vagueness got UM got least a tority suit. Yeah, and 427 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: I was. It's hard to find out sometimes final results 428 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: of legal cases. We've had that problem, I feel like 429 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot over the years. Yeah. The media they have 430 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: a short attention span. Well, it's that and I think 431 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: sometimes these things are just still dragging out. Oh really, 432 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: you think it's still going on? I think so because 433 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: I found an article from like three years ago, because 434 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: I was just trying to find out what happened with 435 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: the lawsuit, and apparently, um, the woman who pulled the 436 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: woman being sued TORTI had two different insurance companies, one 437 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: of which said I'm not getting involved in this, the 438 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: other of which said, you know what I'm gonna We're 439 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: gonna agree to defend you against the lawsuit. It was 440 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: settled for four million dollars, and then the one insurance 441 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: company that agreed to help defender sued. The other insurance 442 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: company said, you got a pony up half of this, 443 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: and um, the last thing I saw was a district 444 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: court judge ruled for the defendants insurance company, in other words, 445 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: the one that said I don't want any part of this. 446 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: You don't have to pay. But then it said, uh, 447 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: an appellate panel reversed that decision on Wednesday. And that's 448 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: literally the last thing I could find. Wow. Wow, that 449 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: is still dragon on Holy Couch Chuck Research. Yeah, I mean, 450 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. There may be something newer 451 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: out there. But uh, there are probably tricks that legal 452 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: scholars know that I don't know about researching this stuff. 453 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what does that say, Chuck, that that like 454 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: an insurance company can just be like where your insurance company, 455 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: but we're not, we're not touching this one. Well, it 456 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: was complicated though, because it was it was insurance. It 457 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: wasn't like just insurance for me walking around if I 458 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: want to help someone. It was car insurance. So it 459 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: was it all came down to whether or not it 460 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: was considered a use of a car by her opening 461 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: that door and unbuckling her seatbelt and pulling her out, 462 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: whether that was using the car. I got very complicated, 463 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: a little more sense though. It's just you know how 464 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: like convoluted that stuff gets though. It does for sure, 465 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: but that whole like so the whole legality of this 466 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: whole thing um that that made that whole lesa torty 467 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: in Alexandro van Horn case, I mean I heard about 468 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: that when that was going on. Everybody heard about that 469 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: case because it was like, well, wait a minute, she 470 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: was trying to help and now she's getting sued and 471 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: fire her friends fighting that whole kind of thing. That 472 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: was two thousand four, and then two years later China 473 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: started to rise as a great power of anti good 474 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: samaritanism UM in a lot of different cases, and all 475 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: of it started in two thousand six in the case 476 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: of Pang You, who was a man who got off 477 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: of a bus in China and saw that an older 478 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: woman had fallen and um broken her hip, and so 479 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: she had been trying to get on the bus. Paying 480 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: You was coming off of the bus, and um he 481 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: went to go help the lady. Well, the lady later 482 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: said that he was the one who caused her to 483 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: fall and sued him, and he was like, I'm just 484 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: an innocent by stander. He was being a good samaritan 485 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: helping this lady. Well, the the court said, no, Pang You. 486 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: We we've decided that um you probably did cause the fall. Otherwise, 487 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: why else would you have helped the lady. That's era 488 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: and there's more nuance to it. There were there were 489 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Paying You said he was the 490 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: first one off the bus. In the court said, well, 491 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: then you were probably the person to bump into the 492 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: lady and knock her down, and also why did you 493 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: give her twenty you on um, which is about thirty 494 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: bucks if if you didn't feel responsible, and then thirdly, 495 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: if you were acting heroically, why didn't you go apprehend 496 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the person who knocked her down? Why would you go help? 497 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: So there's a little more to it than just like 498 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: nobody would possibly help someone out of the goodness of 499 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: their hearts, so you're guilty. But that's kind of how 500 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: I got played up in the popular media, both in 501 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: China and in the rest of the world, and so 502 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: paying you became this cautionary tale like if you see 503 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: somebody hurt in the street, don't help them because they 504 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: will sue you. And people started to do that, and 505 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: so people in China until in a few really big cases, 506 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: sensational cases, did just that. They stopped helping people who 507 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: clearly needed help, and people were dying as a result. Yeah, 508 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean they were. I mean, there's just one case 509 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: I can't even talk about. Uh, but it was just awful, 510 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: you know. People not helping people clearly in need became 511 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: sort of an epidemic in China, uh, until they finally 512 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: changed some law in what just last year, I think 513 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: a national Good Samaritan law in two thousand and seventeen 514 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: that does offer protections. But he's in that one article 515 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: that uh, it was like it's out of hand in China. 516 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: Now in the other way because this this one. Uh. 517 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: Donald Clark, a law professor who actually specializes in Chinese 518 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: law at g W said that in China you can 519 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: like see someone choking in a restaurant and attempt a 520 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: tracheotomy with a butter knife with no training and be 521 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: covered and you won't can't be sued, which is I 522 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: think everyone would agree that's that's a little too far. Yeah, 523 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you cannot be held liable 524 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: for acting as a good samaritan, even if it's the 525 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: most reckless, negligent thing you can imagine, trying something you're 526 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: not familiar with at all, you can't be sued. And 527 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: so some people said, well, not only does this article 528 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: on this new law um cover it goes too far 529 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: and covering people protecting people, It doesn't address the problem, 530 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: which is this culture of distrust that's been kind of 531 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: fostered by these judges who are ruling in favor of 532 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: people who are accusing the good Samaritans that have helped 533 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: them of actually causing their injury and creating this chilling 534 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: effect and helping people. I mean people literally elderly people 535 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: getting hit by cars and being left in the street 536 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: as people walk around them, and then being hit by 537 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: another car and killed later on, like a half hour later, 538 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: Like this was happening, This is going on, and people 539 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't go anywhere near these people because they were afraid 540 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: that they were going to get sued and and and 541 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: it was mostly because judges um in in the court system, 542 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: we're saying they were siding with people with zero evidence whatsoever, 543 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: just basically on a suspicion of someone's good intentions. Yeah, 544 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean that original case when they said, uh, what 545 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: was the man's name again? Paying you, paying you? They 546 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: had no evidence whatsoever. It's not like it was on 547 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: uh close caption television or anything like that. It was 548 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: just like you said, the judge going, it seems to 549 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 1: me like it's pretty weird that you would have helped 550 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: had you not been the one that actually not dropped 551 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: to begin with, right exactly. So, I mean it's good 552 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: that China has this good Samaritan law, and it's it's 553 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: a very broad law and it probably needs to be 554 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: walked back a little bit. But um, they also need 555 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: to go after the judges or the I guess kind 556 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: of the sentiment or thought process of judges that kind 557 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: of just says, why would you help somebody out if 558 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: you weren't, if you weren't the one that caused the accident. 559 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Until they do that, and until they go after the 560 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: the group um pengshi, which are basically crooks people who 561 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: like lay down in front of cars and pretend they 562 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: got hit um and then sue the people and are 563 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: frequently found like they're ruled in favor of their case. 564 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: Until that is rooted out, that people are still going 565 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: to be distrustful of helping people who are in need. Yeah, 566 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: and that even the van Horn case. I mean, I 567 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: know she's trying to help, but like you're not supposed 568 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: to move people, you know, like everyone kind of knows that, 569 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: and this woman ended up paralyzed and if it was 570 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: a direct result of that, then I don't know. It's 571 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: it's a that's a tough one, you know. Well they 572 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. 573 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: That's kind of like where that that lies. Yeah, I 574 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: mean I feel bad for both parties for sure. For 575 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: sure because this the uh twrty it was legitimately trying 576 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: to help. She wasn't like, well, let me do something 577 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: that might really hurt my coworker further, She thought that 578 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: car was going to blow up, you know, so let's 579 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: get her out of there, right exactly. It wasn't like, 580 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: you know, she'd always harbored some deep resentment of her, 581 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: So this is their chance to paralyze her. Yeah, you know, 582 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: not funny at all for the way that you said it. 583 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: So there's another big push in good Samaritan laws in 584 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: the United States. It's interesting how they're kind of like 585 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: refined as as things go on, but there's this thread, 586 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: the sentiment that runs through them that's like, Okay, we 587 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: need to make sure that people aren't don't hesitate in 588 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: helping their fellow, their fellow human in need. Yeah, a 589 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: lot of these, uh, I mean it's labeled as special 590 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: interest good Samaritan laws, but these these are great, Like 591 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense, especially well they all do. 592 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: But this one about the food donation um. In the 593 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: mid ninety nineties, there was a realization that a lot 594 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: of food was going to waste fourteen billion pounds specifically 595 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: of food going to landfills when people in America needed 596 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: that food, and uh, you know you've heard stories about 597 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: grocery stores or can't be held liabel, so they just 598 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: have to throw that stuff away. So they passed the 599 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Food Donation Act, which is to 600 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: provide some protections in case you donate food and someone 601 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: gets sick from eating that food, right exactly. So I 602 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: remember back when when grocery stores did have to throw 603 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: that away before that law, and it was just so 604 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: wasteful and so just morally wrong. So they passed that 605 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: one good year for passing laws, I guess. Uh. And 606 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: then there's even newer kind of push of Good Samaritan 607 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: laws that are protecting college kids who drink too much 608 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: even though they're under age. They might be worried, oh man, 609 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get expelled or kicked out of college if 610 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: I call for help. And so apparently that some of 611 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: them weren't calling for help, and so some universities, I 612 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: think it's up to thirty two universities in thirty five 613 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: states now have something called Lifeline or one Good Samaritan law, 614 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: where if you call for help for yourself or for 615 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: somebody else who's had too much to drink and it's 616 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: like a medical emergency. You won't get in trouble for 617 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: having been drinking under age. But it's laid the groundwork 618 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: for um uh, like a larger law about opioid abuse 619 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: that we really kind of need. That's a good Samaritan 620 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: law for UM that that protects people who are calling 621 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: for somebody who's overdosing on heroin. UM where under normal 622 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: circumstances they might hesitate because they're on heroin themselves and 623 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: they don't want to get busted for it. Yeah, what's uh. 624 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,720 Speaker 1: It's called an alex O one and this is uh 625 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: basically it comes alast like an EpiPen now, and it's 626 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: something that cops have in their emergency kits. And just 627 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: like an EpiPen is something that a civilian can use. 628 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: You don't have to have medical training. If someone is 629 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: overdosed on an on heroin or some other kind of opioid, 630 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: you just inject this thing and that can save their life. 631 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: And so junkies don't want to call the ambulance or 632 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: the cops or whatever, just the same as an underage 633 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: college kid doesn't want to call the cops. So they're 634 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: often described as medical amnesty laws. Uh and and it's great, 635 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, this is exactly and it's making a difference. 636 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: So was one study in two thousand two at Cornell 637 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: about the alcohol one and they said there was a 638 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: rise from toft of um counseling sessions attended by students 639 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand four because students weren't afraid. You know, 640 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm nineteen years old or whatever and I need help, 641 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: so they you know, it's it's shown that it's working. 642 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: And I think the same as is going on with 643 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: this uh uh an alexon drug. Right. Yeah, So like 644 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: the anallexon, it kind of has its own protection where 645 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: whether you're somebody who's on heroin or not, if you 646 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: administer that you could be a medical professional. It's like 647 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: such a new thing um that that they've they've realized 648 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: they need a specific good Samaritan law for that to 649 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: cover anybody who's administering um analex oone, like if they 650 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: do some damage or whatever, they were still trying to help. 651 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: But then also if you're like on heroin yourself just 652 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: calling nine one one, you can have immunity in some 653 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: states from getting busted for heroin for being on it yourself. 654 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: So like Hey, we're gonna save you and you're under arrest, right, 655 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: which I guess is is still in some states it's 656 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: still a possibility, and you don't like, you don't want 657 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: people worrying about whether they're going to get popped themselves 658 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: and then saying, well, I can't really call for you know, 659 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: shorty juju over here, which is I guess the heroin 660 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: users name, you know, so that the heroin user who's overdosing, 661 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: who would otherwise live, dies because they're the person they're 662 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: shot up with, like, is too worried about getting busted themselves. 663 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: Because the last thing a heroin addict or drug addict 664 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: might do in the throes of that drug is thinking, 665 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: let me call a cop or right, you know what, 666 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: I need a police officer. They might help, right. Uh, 667 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: they'd say, like as far as advice goes for good samaritans, Um, 668 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: this article, you know counsels people to think sensibly. Uh. 669 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: Most states do have laws to protect people that if 670 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: you're doing something reasonable to try and help, which all 671 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: goes back to you know, the split second is kind 672 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: of tough, but that all goes back to what you're saying, like, 673 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: reasonable maneuvers to help somebody you know, Yeah, like, I mean, 674 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily like, um, like, don't try the tricky otomy, 675 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: right right, right? So yeah, so that kind of ties 676 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: into a second point, like don't try things you're not 677 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: trained to do, and it just kind of ties into 678 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: reasonable Like, is is trying to administer CPR a reasonable 679 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: thing if you come upon somebody who's not breathing, Yes, 680 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: totally reasonable? Um is it? Is it, you know, unreasonable 681 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: to try to like get their heart going by by 682 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: pumping their arms up and down and accidentally dislocating the shoulder. 683 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: It's probably not going to be protected by a good 684 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,479 Speaker 1: Samaritan law. Yeah, but how much can you get suited 685 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: for for a broken collar bone? Probably a lot, especially 686 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: if the person is like a ping pong player or 687 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: a professional illustrator. Yeah, right, exactly. You like ping pong? 688 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: I love it. We need to do an episode on 689 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: ping pong. I love ping pong two. I'm surprised we 690 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: never squared squared off. I am as well, Chuck, Well, 691 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: we've never been in the same room as a ping 692 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: pong table. That's that's that's what I was thinking. I 693 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: was going to make a camp joke, but you beat me. 694 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: To the truth. Uh, you got anything else? Oh, yes, 695 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: I do. There's one thing that came up if you 696 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: don't mind talking about it, The sign felt. Do you 697 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: remember how that final the final episode right right, yeah, 698 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: which is like the least funny episode of Seinfeld ever, 699 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: but it had like a weird message when when the 700 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: gang gets gets put in jail for watching a guy 701 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 1: I think it was Jonathan Pinnett get carjacked by somebody 702 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: with a gun and just sitting there making fun of 703 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: them while they're videotaping it, right, And that kind of 704 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: raised the site of this It kind of ties into 705 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: good Samaritan laws. A lot of people are like, can 706 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: you actually is there any place in the country where 707 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: you can get get in trouble for that kind of thing? 708 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: And it turns out no, it's that kind of falls 709 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: into that duty to act law, um where you are 710 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: in some places like Vermont or I think in California, 711 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: under some circumstances, you are required to report a crime, 712 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: but you're not required to actually intervene. And that was 713 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: like kind of that big point I made earlier at 714 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: the beginning of the episode. That's a big distinction, right, 715 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: and not only are you Um, you know, I'm not 716 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: required to interview. You're not even required to report the 717 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: crime during the commission of their the crime. For most 718 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: duty to act laws, you just can't walk away and 719 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: pretend you never saw anything. That's the key. Um, that's 720 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: where you will get prosecuted. So the Seinfeld gang probably 721 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: would not have gone to jail. And this article that 722 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: I read quotes a guy who is an attorney in 723 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: San Diego. Um named somebody lists me, and I wish 724 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: I could remember the guy's name. No, not Franz List, 725 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: who is a great, great composer, but a l I 726 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: s s. Yeah, his name was Peter List. He's a 727 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: criminal lawyer from San Diego. Ended up in this article. 728 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: He basically says, not only should they not have gone 729 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: to jail, they provided very valuable evidence by recording the 730 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: entire crime, So let him off the hook. Has there 731 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: ever been a tougher show to end than sign Field. 732 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, probably not, but they really chose 733 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: as a very specific, unsatisfying way to do it. What 734 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: about Sopranos? Everybody hated how that ended? Yeah I didn't. Uh. 735 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: I loved the Sopranos, but then moved to l a 736 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: during its run and didn't have TV, so I quit 737 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: watching it. But I do remember all the hoopla. But 738 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: SEINFELDT is just one of those I mean that the 739 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: last episode stunk, but it's just a hard show to 740 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: end because you can't. It was the most un sentimental 741 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: show probably in TV history. Sure, and most shows have 742 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: a finale that is highly sentimental, and you just you 743 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: couldn't do that on Seinfeld. It would not have been 744 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: true to the show. So I don't know what I 745 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: would have done. It's a tough one. It is a 746 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: tough one. Maybe it was a perfect ending and it 747 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: just wasn't a great episode. You could make that case 748 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: for sure. You know, I'd like to hear maybe if 749 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: someone had a better idea. Okay, right, rewrite the Seinfeld finale. Yeah, 750 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: in a hundreds and sixty characters are less twoot it 751 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: to us or to forty? Now? What is that? It's 752 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: weird anyway? Uh? I think that's the end of this episode. 753 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: We kind of let this peter out to huh yep. Okay, 754 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about good Samaritan laws, 755 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: that's actually a tip. Go learn your state and or 756 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: country's Good Samaritan laws, so you know what to do 757 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,479 Speaker 1: in your ever face with an emergency situation. And since 758 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: I said that, it's time for listener mail. Uh, this 759 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: one's great. I'm just gonna call it great email. Uh. Guys, 760 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: in the spirit of Thanksgiving, in this glass of wine 761 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: I'm drinking, I want to reach out and tell you 762 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: I'll thankful. I am for you. I've been listening to 763 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: the show for a few years, and your comforting voices, 764 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 1: light dad, humor, and interesting topics have become increasingly important 765 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: to me. My brother passed away almost two years ago 766 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: at the age of us, an incredible soul and would 767 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: have loved your show. I had trouble falling asleep for 768 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: a while and began playing your podcast when my mind 769 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: was racing and I needed the distroy action. I fell 770 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: asleep to many interesting topics for months, and I greatly 771 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: appreciate your help through the sad times. Last year, I 772 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: sailed from Seattle to San Diego with my uncle and father. 773 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: This was the scariest and most exhilarating trip I've ever taken. Ever. 774 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: We kept a watch system two hours on and four 775 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: hours off. During my first two hour night watch alone, 776 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: I was scared poop las with no land in sight 777 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: in my life that's secured to the boat. I plugged 778 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: in my headphones and listened to the Stuff you Should 779 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: Know Selects Fecal Transplants episode. Midway through my watch, a 780 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: pot of porpoises started following and playing with the boat. 781 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: I could only spot their phosphorescence, but I was so 782 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: darn happy sitting there in the cold and dark listening 783 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: to you both talk about poop while watching the porpoises 784 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: create tubes of glitter in the Pacific. Uh. Can you 785 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: imagine that? Dude? That's amazing, and our voices didn't ruin it. 786 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: I know. Uh, this brought me so much comfort in 787 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: a time I'm of such great discomfort. Now you've heard 788 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: it before, and at the risk of sounding sappy, your 789 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: podcast brings comfort and joy to your listeners, and we 790 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: appreciate you. My brother's birthdays tomorrow and I have been 791 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: catching up on your latest episodes thinking about the time 792 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: you help me get through, and I wanted to say 793 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks for being there for me in a 794 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: weird way, and thank you for your friendship and your 795 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 1: jokes and your comfort. And that is Jane from Seattle. Awesome. 796 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: Jane Thank you so much for letting us know that story. 797 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: That's like the deer on the Tracks story that Will 798 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: Wheaton hadn't stand by me. That's right. That's a pretty 799 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: cool story. Yeah, it's a good one. If you want 800 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, like Jane did to 801 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: let us know one of your coolest stories, you can 802 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: tweet to us. You can join us on Instagram, you 803 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: can hang out with us on Facebook. 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