1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Twenty nine year old Maria 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Jamenez Rodriguez was last seen on Texarcanas Street in Northeast 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Houston Thursday morning, and today Cruz from Texas Equi Search 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: started their efforts to find her until she dropped her 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: three year old off of the babysitter's house across the 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: street and then disappeared. Her family says that's out of character, 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the same with her not showing up for work on Thursday. 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: The only clue so far is Maria's vehicle that was 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: found early Friday morning. Texas Equis Search volunteers began their 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: frantic search on foots and on wheels. We've gathered here 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: to search from my sister wish and I'm hoping that 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: she is found alive and well and just to come home. 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: A beautiful young, twenty nine year old mom seemingly drops 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. Where is Maria? I'm 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: with us. The search is going on right now for 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: the twenty nine year old mom and joining me her 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: sister Gloria leading the search, a man who has dedicated 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: his life to finding the missing Tim Miller with Equa 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: sarch forensics expert Karen Smith, forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober, 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: renowned criminal defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions. Jason Oceans and 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com reporter Lee Egan as always with 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: me and Jackie Howard here in the studio, straight out. 24 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: First to Tim Miller, the leader of EQUA Search. Tim, 25 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: how did you get called in on the case of 26 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: missing Maria Imenez? Well, actually, Houston Police Department called me, 27 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: except please feel has always been a case. Sure it 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: would like you to kind of take a look at. 29 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: And I went up and I actually called Gloria, went 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: up and met whether he got all the details of 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: the of the disappearance, her sister's disappearance, and it was 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: pretty obvious early on that something has happened. Hold on, 33 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on that with you, Tim Miller. 34 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Tim Miller, leader of Equasearch, saying it was very obvious 35 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: something was wrong, and I agree. Three. Maria last seen 36 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: early in the morning at eight am, when, like so 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: many of us, she leaves home for the law firm 38 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: where she works as a pair illegal. On her way 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: to the law firm, she drops off her three year 40 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: old little girl at the next door neighbor's house, then 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: came home to get her gem bag and a purse. 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: You know, she sounds very orderly and methodical to me. 43 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Joining me. Also in addition to Equasearch leader Tim Miller, 44 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: is Maria's sister, Glory. Gloria, thank you for being with us. 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: It's my understanding. Your sister has never disappeared before. She 46 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: has never disappeared before. This is the first time this 47 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: has happened. You know, I'm thinking through Gloria. I'm thinking 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: through her being such an organized person when you're juggling 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: a demanding job like working at a law firm, and 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: you're taking care of your three year old little girl 51 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: at the same time, dropping her off on time, circling 52 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: back to the house to get a gem bag and 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: all of her things to take to work. Let me 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: ask you this, Gloria, do we know that she ever 55 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: made it out of the house. Yeah, she did. Why 56 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: do you know that? Because the vehicle was not here, 57 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: she left, She got on her vehicle, she closed her 58 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: gates from her house, and she left. How do you 59 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: know it was her riding the car driving the vehicle. 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: I am not one hundred percent sure that that was her, 61 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: But is there anybody in the home Gloria that saw 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: her leave that morning with her gem bag? And yeah, okay, great, 63 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: ye who saw her? My brother? Okay, your brother is there? Okay, 64 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I understand, So Maria definitely was spotted. I mean, I'm 65 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: just trying to create a timeline. That's where I'm going 66 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: with this with me, Maria's sister, Gloria, Tim Miller, Karen Smith, 67 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: Daniel Boberg, Jason Oceans, and Lee Egan Gloria back to 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: you again. I'm trying to just establish that timeline so 69 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: we know their eyes on Maria when she comes back 70 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: to the home to get her gem bag and her pocketbook, 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: she leaves for work. That's around eight am. Is that correct? 72 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: That is correct? Did she speak to anybody from the 73 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: car en route to work? I don't know. The only 74 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: thing I do know is at eight thirty is my 75 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: brother text her to tell her regarding the package there 76 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: were It's just a random of texts that they would 77 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: speak to each other. I think he needed to pick 78 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: up a package from the postal or he needed to 79 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: drop off I'm not sure which one, but he did 80 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: text her and she texts back seeing I think the 81 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: postal off wasn't open at that time yet. Okay, So, 82 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: but I don't I'm not concerned right now. I'm out 83 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: the intricacies of that text. And I'll tell you why 84 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: the reason I'm not concerned about it. To Jason Ocean's 85 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, you know the deal. I know who's 86 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: texting back and forth. I know she's getting a text 87 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: from her brother and she's riding back because she understands 88 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: Jason Ocean the context of what he's saying. If somebody 89 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: had her phone Jason at that time, they wouldn't be 90 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: able to respond coherently. They would either not respond or 91 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: just put okay or something like that. So I know 92 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: she's alive at that time, right because she's texting coherently 93 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: in the conversation back to the cope coherently, and she's 94 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: saying the ups isn't open yet, all right? Fine. So 95 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: I also believe she gets to work Gloria with me, 96 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: Maria's sister, Gloria. Are their eyes on her at work? 97 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: Is she's seen at work that day? No? Oh, there 98 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: you go, because listen to this, listen to this. I 99 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: know this. I know she leaves the house to drive 100 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: to the office. Then she texts a coworker saying she 101 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: would be late. That didn't raise any flags at first, Okay. 102 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: Then later the same coworker receives a text saying that 103 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Maria was headed back to the neighbor to pick up 104 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: her daughter because the daughter wasn't feeling well. Did that 105 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: really come from Maria? Gloria? Is the three Was the 106 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: three year old girl really sick? No? Not that day? 107 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: There it is right there to Karen Smith, forensics expert, 108 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Karen right there, that is the beginning of the timeline 109 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: in my mind, and it also tells me, Karen Smith, 110 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: that whoever did this may very well know her because 111 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: they knew a co worker to contact to say I'm 112 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: going to be late, and then a coworker to contact 113 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: to say I gotta go pick up my daughter. Somebody 114 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: that knows she has a daughter, or body just looking 115 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: at her cell phone, Karen Smith, like my screensavers the twins, 116 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: somebody would probably know those are my children if they 117 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: looked at the pictures that say, all the pictures that 118 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I take, all the time of us together. So what 119 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: can you tell me, you're the forensics expert about what 120 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: we know so far. For those of you just joining us, 121 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old woman is missing with me, 122 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: her sister, Gloria, and Tim Miller with equisearch Karen Smith, 123 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: forensics expert. Way in that cell phone is it's such 124 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: a critical piece of evidence and your right if this 125 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: does turn out to be some type of foul play, 126 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: it's going to be someone she knows and knows her well, 127 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: knows her habits. This does not feel like a crime 128 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: of opportunity. This reads like a planned thing. And you know, 129 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: maybe she was possibly followed her stalks. Police are going 130 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: to have to dig into her personal history to find 131 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: out who Maria was associating with or possibly dating or 132 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: meeting her co workers, her acquaintances. Was she using a 133 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: dating site, had she revealed details about herself online? Possibly? 134 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: These are things that are going to be critical. And 135 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: on the thing about the cell phone, I want to 136 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: talk about these mobile positioning systems triangulation in other ways, 137 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: they can find out where that cellphone was at a 138 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: point in time, at least down to a small area, 139 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: and that is going to be critical in this case. 140 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: And does it follow her pattern to work. We're creatures 141 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: of habit, we follow pathways and stop at the same 142 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: place as all the time. Was the location of where 143 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: her truck was found on her routine path to work. 144 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: If it wasn't, now there may be, okay, So there 145 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: may be some forensic importance to that truck, maybe some 146 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: fingerprints or for in DNA, some trace evidence such as 147 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: hairs or fibers, if a person got in it or 148 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: touched the doors, or touched any of the components inside, 149 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: those are going to be critical forensic pieces of evidence 150 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace, I got a couple of 151 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: questions following up on Karen Smith, forensics expert joining me. 152 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: Let's go to Maria's sister, Gloria. Gloria again, thank you 153 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: for being with us. Gloria, I want to circle back 154 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: to your brother. Did anyone beside your brother see her 155 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: or talk to her after she left the house? No? 156 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: And the text to him regarding the package. What was 157 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: her text back to him when he asked about her 158 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: picking up the package? It was just saying that they 159 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: didn't open early. Well, is that true? Is the ups 160 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: they're open at eight am? Yes, but not that early. 161 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: I think that would be a response of her. Okay, 162 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: but you've confirmed the ups was not open at that time, 163 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: That is correct. Has the home been searched, Gloria for 164 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: any foul play within the home? Yes, okay. Was anything 165 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: found in her truck, anything like her pocketbook, her cell phone, 166 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: her jem bag, anything like that jim bag is in 167 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: the truck. The things that are missing are her purse, 168 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: her cell phone, and the actual Keith to Tim Miller, 169 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: the founder of Equisearch, Tim, do you know whether or 170 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: not the police have tried to ping the phone to 171 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: find out it's whereabouts? Unfortunately, sure courts have stated even 172 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: a far more difficult to go ahead and ping the 173 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: phones under these privacy To Jason Ocean's veteran criminal defense attorney, Jason, 174 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: this is a big deal because a lot of people 175 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: don't know that you can get your track or information 176 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: by subpoena. And you know, subpoena sounds so difficult and 177 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: legally sophisticated. It's not. I carried with me in my 178 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: car a stack of fifty subpoena at all times, and 179 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: I would reader, I would put right in the name, 180 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: I would write in the date and the time that 181 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: I needed them in court, and I would sign it 182 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: and write the short location and that's what you filled in, 183 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: so it's not that hard. This would require subpoena ducas 184 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: teakam i a a subpoena four documents for your on Star. 185 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: Um you're any tracking device, cell phone, serious, all of that. 186 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: But if you can't get the cell phone, you your 187 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: car is full of tracking devices. So another thing is 188 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: there's nobody to argue it like that. We don't know 189 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: who has taken her, so nobody is fighting this. But 190 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: still the cell phone company and the for instance on Star, 191 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: they've got to go through channels and that takes time. 192 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: Jason oceans it too. Yeah, and an extra layer of request, right, 193 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: an extra layer that that in this case, clearly there's 194 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: nothing adverse about getting it. We all want to get it, 195 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: but now they are for our tections based on a 196 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: five four Supreme Court decision. I'm with you, Nancy. I 197 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Daniel Bobare joining me, well 198 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: known forensic psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bobra not only a mental 199 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: medical degree, but a psychiatric specialty and now a subspecialty 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: of forensic psychiatry. Doctor bober Right, now all we have 201 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: is her truck, her gem bag in there. What can 202 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: you tell us please go into the mental and emotional 203 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: aspect of this. What evidence can we gLing to try 204 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: to find Maria? This is really the pain that keeps giving, 205 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: is the pain of the unknown. It's excruciating for the family. 206 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: But in terms of the victim, as you said before, 207 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: I think any departure from the normal routine is a 208 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: red flag. And all we can do is hope and 209 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: pray that she's still alive and that maybe she can 210 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: get a message out to get some assistance. What can 211 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: we learn from the text? Can we divulge any can 212 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: we discern anything from the texts? Not? At this point 213 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: doesn't really seem like we have enough information. But I 214 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: was interested in that text about the ups store. To me, 215 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: that's also a red flag. But at this point it 216 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: seems like we need more information. Well, to me, you 217 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: can tell by a text, of course, I'm just the JD, 218 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: you're the MD. But to Maria's sister Gloria, by reading 219 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: the text, responses, did it sound like her talking? I mean, 220 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: was it full of misspellings she wouldn't normally do? Was 221 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: there slang in the text she would normally use? Has 222 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: she ever on left work and just texted somebody or 223 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: texted when she was late? Is this the coworker she 224 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: would normally have picked out to write and say, Hey, 225 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be late. Is there anything unusual you 226 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: can identify in the text as not having been from her? 227 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: I can the text to my brother give that is her, 228 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: But the rest of the texts are not herd do 229 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: that the that she does not say, she doesn't say 230 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: what she doesn't say deaf as the baby's name. The 231 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: baby's name is Destiny. Her name is not deaf, and 232 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: that those texts are saying des d e s. That's 233 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: not the way she and she relates to the baby. 234 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: She always I've already looked all over my Texas and 235 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: they're always saying Destiny. Okay, And that is significant. That's 236 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: very significant. I know it's small, it's like sounds like 237 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: a small thing. To Karen Smith, forensics expert, that is 238 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: a big thing. Everybody knows. I do not call John 239 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: David JD. So if I wrote somebody and referred to JAD, 240 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: that would be I've never done that. If I'm abbreviating, 241 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: I might text Jay David just to make it shorter, 242 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: So Karen Smith, that would be let me suddenly calling 243 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: you k. I've never done that my life. You would 244 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: know Amy, right, that's not Nancy or somebody, which I 245 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: don't want that either. Jumping thing is that go ahead, Gloria. 246 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: And another thing is that she does not write slang words. 247 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: She does not. She's even though it's let's say, well 248 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: she's speaking to her co worker, her supervisor, So she 249 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: would not um write slang words. And they're they're different 250 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: words there I cannot remember right now, but on the 251 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: text there's words that she wouldn't write. Who does call 252 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: the baby dies? Who would know her that calls the 253 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: baby does? We don't call her death, We call her destiny. 254 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: I have my personal words for her, um, but it's 255 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: usually destiny destiny. You know, it's interesting that you said 256 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: you have your personal words for her. That's really striking me. 257 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: You know, Tim Miller are joining me the leader of 258 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: the equisearch army. You know Tim. For instance, if I 259 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: refer to John David, I might call him big Boy. 260 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: That's his nickname ever since he was born, or a 261 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: name my dad gave him. Nobody else would know it, 262 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: but somebody in her immediate family took tic. That's a nickname. 263 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: For John David, for Lucy, nickname little girl, and I 264 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: mean there's several nicknames that only somebody within our family 265 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: would know. Tim Miller, tell me how this is striking? 266 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: You did Maria high for instance, an angry boyfriend or 267 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: an X or what do we know? Tim, Well, we 268 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: got our suspicions on somebody. Law enforcement does too. But 269 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: there was another extremely disturbing texts that came in at 270 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: six seventeen that afternoon. Or She texted a co worker 271 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: and actually says, I am being followed by a red 272 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: musical with two Hispanics and when I find a safe place, 273 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: I will call you. We know that text did not 274 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: come from her. We steel as though the person that 275 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: Ray possibly did something to. Maria was texting as though 276 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: she was still okay out there Crime Stories with Nancy 277 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: Grace Keim Miller, did you mind telling me that again? 278 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: Six seventeen pm, Miss Street checks and stated that I 279 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: am being followed by a red pickup truck with two 280 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: Hispanics in it. I will contact you when I find 281 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: a safe place. So val use the word to hispanics? Yes, no, 282 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: she she used first to white white or yeah white 283 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: art Hispanic? Would she ever say the word no too. 284 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, she is Hispanic, So why was that? Okay? 285 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Right there? That tells me that he took her? I mean, wow, 286 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: my problem, what is if you're being followed by someone 287 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: and you're trying to drive away, why are you going 288 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: to write a big old paragraph and explain Hispanic Latino, white, black, yellow? 289 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: If you're being followed, you don't have time to write 290 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: all that unless you're using um, your sirie where you 291 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: just dictate into the phone. But even then, why that's 292 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: what I'm about to say to him? Why aren't exactly 293 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: that's what I was just about to say. If you're 294 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: dictating into sirie, you should be calling nine one one, 295 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: go ahead, Glauria. Another thing is another thing? Is it's nine? 296 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's six, um nineteen six um? Why is 297 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: she not calling a family member? She is calling she 298 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: is texting the co worker at this time. She is 299 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: not in business hours, she is out of work. That 300 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: says to me, maybe they didn't know who. They didn't 301 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: know the family. Okay, that is telling me that they 302 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: can look at her phone, but they don't know who. 303 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: I wonder how she had you guys listed in the phone. 304 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, You have a lot on 305 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: her phone? Like I meancause, yes, yes, was it easy 306 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: to figure out like one one one one or something 307 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: like that, Yes, because the baby knew it. So could 308 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: somebody figure it out? Or did they make her give 309 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: them the lot number? The baby would know how to 310 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: get in the phone. But I'm thinking that it's not 311 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: easy for someone that doesn't know the pattern. So how 312 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: would I'm trying to figure out, how would they have 313 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: gotten into her phone? To have to be somebody that's 314 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: that's familiar with her, and she is a she's a 315 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: person that's not trustful, not she doesn't trust anybody, yet 316 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: she is somebody. Where is the baby girl's dad in 317 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: this scenario? He well, he's not with her, Yeah, but 318 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: he's always calling and he's always coming to the home 319 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: to see the baby. Um, they had a communication for 320 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: the baby. Um, not a relationship, but it was all 321 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: for the baby. So the character anger or acrimony, any 322 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: problems with the ex. No, does he have an alibi? 323 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: He's he was at work, okay, that's what he says. Okay, 324 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't know him if he bit me 325 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: on the neck. That's the first place you look because 326 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: that is some one that would know, might know her code, 327 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: might know her her travel routine. Um, let me ask 328 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: you this, Tim Miller or EQUI Search leader, where in 329 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: relation to the home in the office was her truck found. 330 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: Was it on the way or was it out somewhere 331 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: where she wouldn't have been? Well, it was in a 332 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: direction that she wouldn't have been in. Again, it was 333 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: on a few blocks from her house. And we actually 334 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: talked to people there at the house, and I talked 335 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: to a guy there Sunday morning and he said the 336 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: first time he seen the truck there was about seven 337 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: o'clock in the evening and he didn't see anybody around 338 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: the truck. And then he went back out there about 339 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: time to see if the truck was still there. When 340 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: he was going to take a picture of the truck, 341 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: but it was too dark. And then from what I understand, 342 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: the All Star actually located that vehicle at three o'clock 343 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: in the morning. Okay, let me understand that it was 344 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: only maybe six six eight blocks away from the house, 345 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: so it was it was definitely somebody that NW Maria 346 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: and Nu Maria. Well, let me ask you this, Tim, 347 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: are you telling me her truck didn't appear the six 348 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: or eight blocks in the home until later in the 349 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: eight about seven o'clocks. And so what is strange about that, 350 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: Nancy is when the text came in at six seventeen, 351 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: six eighteen, then it's like that was kind of a 352 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: setup that Hey, I've been followed by somebody and now 353 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: a truck is scene around seven o'clock, so you know 354 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: somebody was her phone to kind of Okay, this is significant. 355 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: This is very significant to Miller because this says it's 356 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: not random like a man and trust me, this is 357 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: a man that did this. Okay, So a man sees her, 358 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: he attacks or robs her or maybe molester or kills 359 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: her bam and leaves her. No, this is someone that 360 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: staged it. If I'm correct that the vehicle was not 361 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: there before say, six pm. Are we sure that it 362 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: wasn't there or that nobody noticed it? Nobody noticed that. First, 363 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: you're saying it could have been there. It could have 364 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: been there, but the male man was actually going around 365 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: he did not see the vehicle there. We talked to 366 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: several of the neighbors. They didn't see the vehicle. Uh, 367 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: they didn't see the vehicle there. We actually looked at 368 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras for hours. If we could see a vehicle coming, 369 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: that vehicle coming by their h and we didn't see it, 370 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: like of course, it could have came from the other directions. 371 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: So okay, let me think this. Yeah, something happened to 372 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: her before that text came in at nine thirty in 373 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: the morning, state she was going to be late in 374 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: certain maybe four U She texted and sent she had 375 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: to go back home because the baby was sick too. 376 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert. This is a big, big evidentiary clue. 377 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: If this were random, her body would have been left 378 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: where she was killed or abducted. That that's where the 379 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: car would be. Okay, this is not where she was 380 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: abducted because this is not her usual route to work. 381 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: If the car was not there before six pm, that 382 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: means someone made off with her and took the trouble 383 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: to come back, leave the vehicle, stage the scene and 384 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: send fake text. Karen Smith. That's a lot different from 385 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: a random assailant. Karen explain, absolutely. That was my first question. 386 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Was the truck found on her normal route to work. 387 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: If it was not, that means that either she was 388 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: forced to drive it or somebody else drove it and 389 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: placed it there on purpose. And I've seen this before. 390 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: That truck is a forensic gold mine. You know, you 391 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: need one fingerprint, one sample of DNA, one hair, one 392 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: of these pieces of evidence can link to whoever was 393 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: driving that car, and then we can find out possibly 394 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: what happened to Maria Jimenez Rodriguez at this point, where 395 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: the truck was parked, the direction it was facing, any 396 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: cell phone dative And actually her purse is also going 397 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: to be key, because you know as well as I do, 398 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: that person didn't keep the purse. They tossed it. They 399 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: tossed it, they tossed the keys. So if they can 400 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: triangulate or get the mobile positioning of that cell phone, 401 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go dumpster diving. They're gonna have 402 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: to go trash diving to see if they can find 403 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: the purse in any of those areas as well. Crime 404 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Right now, the search is on 405 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: a beautiful mom of a girl named Destiny. Where is 406 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Maria joining me right now? Her sister, Gloria, I want 407 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: to talk about this text and it proves to me, 408 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: Gloria that her truck was staged to be near her 409 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: home because this text that she sends out, which I 410 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: believe was around six seventeen PM, says that quote Hispanic 411 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: males two are following her in a vehicle number one. 412 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: She is Hispanic, So why would she say in those terms? 413 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Why would she use that phraseology? But also she's just 414 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: six blocks away from her home. I don't think she 415 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: would have even termed it somebody's following me when you've 416 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: just left your house. How do you know somebody's following you? 417 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: You haven't given him a chance to follow you yet. 418 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: And that tells me that's all a big light Gloria. 419 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: That didn't happen that way. When I read the text, 420 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: I immediately said, this is her. That's not the way 421 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: she she would m phrase that. And being her, she 422 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have text. She would have called somebody. She would 423 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: have called me her brother, or she would have called 424 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: her father. She would have not text, and especially the 425 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: co worker at that time, she would not have done that, 426 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: says to me, and at that ever was doing it. 427 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: Nineteen Who to text? What did you say about six nineteen? 428 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: At that time, at that time frame, she should be 429 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: at the gym. She wouldn't she would leave the gym, 430 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: like at six thirty ish, she would call me, and 431 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: like before she would have called, she would call me 432 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: and told me, oh, I'm heavy tone. Well, this is 433 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: because she the baby wasn't sick that day, she didn't 434 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: go get the baby, and she never reported for work. 435 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: So all of this is a lie which puts my 436 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: timeline back, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensic psychiatrists. Someone 437 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: not only has made off with her, they have taken 438 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: great pains to try to throw us off the track. 439 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Bober, I agree, Nancy. Everything points to this being 440 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: something that's completely targeted. This was not random, and not 441 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: only was it targeted, but as you said, everything is 442 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: being done to throw us off the tracks. I totally 443 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: agree with you, and you know, think about it. Jason 444 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: Ocean's criminal defense attorney. You and I have covered and 445 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: analyzed so many criminal cases. Typically, in a random attack, 446 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: the victim is attacked, they're robbed, they're assaulted, their carjacked, 447 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: and bam, it's over, and you want to get as 448 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: far away from that vehicle as possible. You don't take 449 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the time to circle back almost twelve hours later to 450 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: plant the truck and lay down a lot of fake texts. 451 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: You skedaddle, you're gone. So this tells me a lot 452 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: about who the purp is Jason Oceans. Yeah, it shows 453 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: us that it's someone in an inner circle, close enough 454 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: to have a lot of information, and someone who's worried 455 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: that the net could be cast on them in some way. 456 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: So they're using their quote unquote intelligence in planning this, 457 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: and as a result of that that gives us even 458 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: more and more clues. But the circle is close and tight, 459 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: not far Jason Liston. I agree with you and disagree 460 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: with you at the same time. It's somebody that knows 461 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: enough they know about the baby. They know to say 462 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: they're going to be late to work. They figure out 463 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: who detects. But gloriamen as this is Maria's sister, they 464 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: don't know enough to know that she would be at 465 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: the gym. They don't know enough that they don't call. 466 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: They call. The baby is not destiny. A lot of 467 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: clues is that they may know her, but they don't 468 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: know her well enough to know those significant factors. Gloria, 469 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: that is correct. So what they don't know that she 470 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: has a family, or or that at that time she 471 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: would text the family. Gloria, tell me what's going on 472 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: in your mind right now? I think it's somebody that 473 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: knows her, somebody that clanned is it's somebody that she knows. Gloria, 474 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: tell me what your theory is, your working theory right now? 475 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I just I'm just hoping that she comes home. I'm 476 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: hoping that probably whoever Startist is whoever, I just have 477 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of I really don't know. I can't even think. 478 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm just praying to God that she is will and 479 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: she comes back home. Guys, this Houston woman, this young mom, 480 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: has not been seen since she dropped her baby, Destiny 481 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: off at the babysitters and headed to work. Maria was 482 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: last saying wearing a dressy shirt, possibly green in color, 483 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: pastel colored slacks. She had on brown ballet slipper type shoes, 484 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: a pink apple watch. She was carrying a tan purse. 485 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: What we know now She has not been seen since 486 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: she dropped off Destiny with the babysitter, her truck turning 487 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: up near Wallaceville and Wayside. She is very responsible, never 488 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: missed his work and a disappearance. This nature is not 489 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: like her. Guys, where is this young mom? All we 490 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: have now are a series of seemingly fake texts. Tell me, Gloria, 491 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: how is Destiny without mommy? She just asked me, Dida, 492 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: can you please come pick me up? I want to 493 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: see you. Do y'all really miss me? I mean I 494 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: feel that she knows something's going on. She is a 495 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: sick baby, so we're just trying that. What is her? 496 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: What is the baby's ailments? She has UM. It's a 497 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: rare condition. Uh. It attacks her muscles. It's a muscle 498 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: disorder and she gets seizures. She has UM. You're in problem. 499 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: They have to be Catherine guys in her and she 500 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: had to take a lot of medication and only she 501 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: goes to therapy physical and it's for her muscles. It's 502 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: all for the muscles. You know what you can do 503 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: right now is follow these leads and pray for this 504 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: little girl Destiny with so many physical and medical elements, 505 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: that needs her mom so desperately. We are on the 506 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: search for Maria Imenez Rodriguez. Please help us bring her home. 507 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: Tipline is seven one three eight eight four three one 508 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: three one also eight three two three nine four eighteen 509 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: forty Where is Maria? Nancy Gray's crime story signing off 510 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: good bye, said