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Speaker 2: NFTs talking to town of course, trading cards. We interviewed

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Speaker 2: The best part about that is like sports also talk

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Speaker 2: so our esteemed guest today, Buster Share. Yeah, twenty years old, crazy,

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Speaker 2: if you're on the page. Yeah, that's a fact.

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Speaker 2: He's also the voice commentator of the Cruly to Revolt

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Diddy, shout why. He's a founder of

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Speaker 2: card Nation, which is another Instagram page dedicated to sports

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, so buying a pack is just straight up gambling.

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Speaker 5: exact same thing. You buy a pack. People buy boxes

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Speaker 5: I'd rather take that three thousand and go back Lebron

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Speaker 2: Ticket strategy. Hopefully we find the golden ticket is.

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Speaker 5: Out right right exactly, But you can go out and

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Speaker 5: for people who are investing, and people will buy cards

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Speaker 5: You can make maybe you double your money. I don't

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Speaker 2: So what's your approach?

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Speaker 6: Do you think is better trying to find than Like

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Speaker 6: Lebron obviously is established. But do we have to say,

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Speaker 5: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: So, like anything prospecting, is it has higher returns if

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Speaker 5: you thought that you know Lebron or not Lebron. Let

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Speaker 5: me use a bad example. If you thought that Jannis

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Speaker 5: Anthony Bennett is not Jannis and Tetekumpo. I'm sorry, number

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Speaker 5: one pick, number one pick. There are so many guys

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Speaker 5: So you're better off, you're safer betting on Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. So, all right, limited

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Speaker 5: Pitchmain right, So it really depends on the card. And

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Speaker 2: A population report? What's that?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 5: A population report is your cards are greater on a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the safest way to keep your cards this

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Speaker 2: Finds for cards When I was a kid, that's a

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Speaker 5: So funny enough, The reason that a lot of those

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Speaker 6: So somebody knew where to put them, they saw them

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was I mean, that's I asked that because

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Speaker 2: So my first investment a couple of weeks ago, shout

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Speaker 5: If you go on eBay, type in whatever card you have,

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Speaker 2: And it goes up and down interday like stocks.

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Speaker 6: So if I'm invested in cards, which company is the

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Speaker 5: It all depends on the sport. License is the number

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Speaker 2: I got it, and you should where where should you

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Speaker 5: So the safest way to buy cards is buying graded

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Speaker 5: They have a website.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
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Speaker 5: If you want to buy like a pack or box

440
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: of cards, that's that. But if you're looking at it

441
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 5: from an investment perspective, I would pick out I would

442
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 5: do a ton of research. I wouldn't spend the dollar

443
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 5: before you do weeks and weeks and weeks of due diligence.

444
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 5: And that can be everything from watching interviews with collectors

445
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: to watching people open boxes on YouTube the same way

446
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: that you know they're you know, box breaks, like people

447
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 5: open boxes of like tech products. Right, It's the same

448
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 5: for sports cards, and by watching those and seeing what's

449
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 5: pulled and seeing people talk about the values, you can

450
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 5: learn a lot watch card investment shows I have won,

451
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 5: so you know, things like that are good ways to

452
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 5: get educated before spending a dollar.

453
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: So is it always the potential of the player that

454
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: will dictate if it's going to because like sometimes it's

455
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: cnnomaly where it's like I've heard in the past, like

456
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: with the player might not necessarily be the greatest player,

457
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: but it's just something about that player, like you, I mean,

458
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: like maybe like a I don't know if you have

459
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: an example, but like in my brain, I'm thinking, like

460
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: somebody like spud Web wasn't the greatest of all time.

461
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Speaker 2: I don't know how that was. Card Is, but he's

462
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: one of these people that have just lived in He's

463
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: a coachal even po Jackson. That's probably a better example.

464
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: Paul Jackson is not is he even in the Hall

465
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: of Fame. No, he's not a great No, no, no,

466
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: I'm saying as far as if you look at his

467
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: NFL career, sure because of injury, Well it is what

468
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: it is. He's not a great NFL player. But the

469
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: legend of Bo Jackson is much bigger than his actual

470
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: athletic accomplishments as a professional. Right, so in my brain

471
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: that his card would still be valuable even though somebody

472
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: like Thurman Thomas a way better career. But Thrman Thomas

473
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: is not held in the same regard as Bo Jackson.

474
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you're betting on the person,

475
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: not the player. You know. That's why Day of portino

476
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 5: A cards from twenty fourteen, Alan and Get there are

477
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 5: hundreds of dollars, sometimes thousands. It's why Joe Rogan, who

478
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 5: has a card from when he was from you know,

479
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 5: being a UFC broadcast aster in two thousand and nine,

480
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: I've paid over a thousand dollars for a Joe Rogan

481
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 5: rookie card because.

482
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Speaker 2: A rookie card is an announcement.

483
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 5: Yes, wow, yeah. People only realize that a few months back.

484
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: So who makes those cards?

485
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 5: So that that was the top.

486
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: If you're not an athlete, oh, you have to do

487
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: a deal with Tops UFC. So he was a UFC

488
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: announce So if Alesia wants to have an early a

489
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: leisure rookie card right for our debut podcast, Like, who

490
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: do we talk to about that? Yeah?

491
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 5: So so audience this couple of ways. Usually it's leagues

492
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 5: that create partnerships. So like you mentioned, you know, the UFC,

493
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: they got a partnership with TOPS and they produced that set.

494
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: If you want to do it, you could do it independently,

495
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 5: or you could do it with TOPS or pinning your

496
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: upper deck. The good thing about you know you guys,

497
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 5: you guys own all your own IP and you know

498
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 5: you could just go directly to them and be like, hey,

499
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: we want to do our own set and then have

500
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: it tagged on there would be a car.

501
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Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's a good idea. So let's talk

502
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: about Howard. Let's get into this Jay z oh Man legend. Go,

503
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: this guy just can't can't lose. So he his his

504
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: player card sold for one hundred thousand dollars recently, which

505
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: you said was one hundred x rate of return.

506
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: Just to that, Yeah, talk about that, so funny, funny

507
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 5: story on that front. One sold for about twenty five

508
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 5: hundred dollars was slightly worse, but this was a few

509
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: months ago. That sold caught the attention of some people.

510
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 5: I know Jay personally has seen that sale and thought

511
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 5: that it was funny but didn't know what it was.

512
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 5: And then, you know, with the increase in alternative celebrity cards,

513
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 5: so everything from Bill Gates cards from the nineteen nineties

514
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 5: to Dave Portinoy to Joe Rogan to you know, Oprah,

515
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 5: you got everybody's cards from like these random that's not

516
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: usually not produced by major companies, but especially.

517
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: A random person just makes it.

518
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: Or a company that used to exist and doesn't exist anymore,

519
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 5: and stuff like that have exploded. People realized that this

520
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 5: jay Z card made by Tops, it's called a superfractor.

521
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 5: It's the one of one. There are a few different

522
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: one of ones, but this is one of the best.

523
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 5: One of ones. Was a card to have And all

524
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 5: you need for a card to become really, really valuable

525
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 5: is a couple of rich people getting in a bidding war.

526
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: And I think that that's what happened, and it sold

527
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 5: for over one hundred and five thousand dollars, becoming the

528
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: all time record for a non sports or Pokemon or

529
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 5: magic the Gathering cards sold.

530
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Speaker 2: Ever, how much was it when it originally came out.

531
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Speaker 5: I mean somebody pulled it out of a pack, So

532
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 5: somebody got it out of a ten dollars.

533
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was. It was a one

534
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: on one inside of a pack. Yeah, and that was

535
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: the only one in the world, correct, And they put

536
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: it inside of a pack. Yeah, right, gold is a

537
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: golden ticket.

538
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 6: But what kind of pack is it? Is it a

539
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 6: pack of just random celebrities that have card.

540
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: Like right, so that I believe that was a baseball

541
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: set that they had just shoved it in. Sometimes they'll

542
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 5: do that. It's like in two thousand and eight TOPS

543
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: put presidents. They put Barack Obama's rookie card, which is

544
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: now thousands of dollars as well, But they put that

545
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 5: in a baseball set in Series one of two thousand

546
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 5: and eight TOPS Baseball and people just randomly got them.

547
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 5: That's that's that's that's sort of the betting side of it.

548
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 5: So yes, in theory, you can have incredible returns just

549
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 5: like you can you know, buying a lottery ticket, there's

550
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 5: no there's no difference. You're not going to win. That's crazy,

551
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: except for when you do find it from the settlement. Correct,

552
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: it's not like an NFT where you get perpetual.

553
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: What hell was this? Well, we're going to have this

554
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: NFT conversation. Well before we go to well, let's transition

555
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: at FCS in the perfect transition. I think is NBA

556
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: top shot h something I've been handing about a lot recently.

557
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: What is NBA top Shot.

558
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 5: NBA top Shot is a licensed blockchain platform where they

559
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: take highlights and turn them into NFTs. But it's not decentralized.

560
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: It's super centralized on NBA top shot dot com. It's

561
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: not like other NFTs you can transfer it from platform

562
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 5: to platform. Top Shot is confined to this one. So

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: they created a centralized, licensed platform to sell NBA highlights

564
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 5: as NFTs, and some have gone from thousands to hundreds

565
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 5: of thousands.

566
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 6: I'm still like baffled by some of them. I watched

567
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 6: a Kyrie Irving layup.

568
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: From the Celtics that were selling for ninety five thousand dollars.

569
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm just how how do we determine to value these things?

570
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 5: The value of anything is what somebody's willing. But for

571
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 5: top Shot, so a lot of the ones that are

572
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: selling for a lot are from Series one, so they

573
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: put it out in series. Series one for top Shot

574
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: is more limited quantity. It was before it was popular,

575
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 5: and that's all. A lot of these things are the

576
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 5: second something that's popular. It's now a new market value.

577
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 5: It coin is super popular. That's why it's sixty thousand

578
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: dollars a coin. Top Shot is now super popular. That's

579
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: why some of those Series ones are selling for ninety

580
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: five one hundred two hund three hundred thousand dollars. Series

581
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 5: two is less expensive. Series three will be less expensive

582
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: than that. Series four less than that unless the demand

583
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: increases at the same proportional rate.

584
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: And when they do buy series they're changing something specific

585
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: inside of the NFT itself.

586
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: So it's just the highlight. So Series one was last

587
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: year's NBA season, but also the rookie NFT for a

588
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 5: lot of these guys, and in all collectibles, rookie is king.

589
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 5: You want the Rookie of everything you buy, and.

590
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: That doesn't even matter, not even the player's status as

591
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: a ruse, just incollectible collectible.

592
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: It's a rookie collectible.

593
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 5: So if you're buying art, you want the person's first thing,

594
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: or you want the best, or you know, in Pokemon

595
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 5: you want the first edition. In Magic Gathering, you want

596
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: the first edition. You go ohs. The same when you're

597
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: buying like toys like Seth Donad's Beanie Baby whatever, you

598
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: want the first thing.

599
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, all right, So let's

600
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: get into this conversation because people don't and fully understand it.

601
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Like the Lebron James dunk, right, I think it's sold

602
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: for how much?

603
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: Did it so for one of the best A couple

604
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: of hundred thousand. A couple of my buddies bought bought those.

605
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have some rich a lot of your friends,

606
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: all right, So I want to paint this visual picture

607
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 2: for people that might not fully understand what's going on here.

608
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 2: So this is the world of sports collectibles and NFTs collide,

609
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have a conversation about NFTs. But Lebron James,

610
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: he's going up and he's dumb. It's like a highlight

611
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: that you can see on Sports Center, YouTube, Instagram, whatever.

612
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: So a lot of people don't fully understand it because

613
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, why would I pay for something that

614
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: I could already see on YouTube for free? Right? But

615
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. And my understanding of it

616
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: is like now you own it, and it's no different

617
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: from the Mona Lisa, where, yeah, you can see the

618
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Mona Lisa on YouTube, you can see the Mona Lisa

619
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: on Google Images, but you don't own the Mona Lisa.

620
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: The lover in Paris does. If you want to see

621
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: the real, authentic Mona Lisa, you have to go to Paris.

622
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: So now that highlight is all over, it can be

623
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: seen all over, but you own the highlight. Is this correct?

624
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: You're paying for the rights to sell it, so you

625
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: own the highlight, So even though other people can see

626
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: it for free, you don't.

627
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 5: You don't own the IP. Like if it's the NBA

628
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: owns it, the NBA gives up no intellectual property to

629
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: top shot. The only thing that you're paying for is

630
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: a legal way to be able to sell said highlight,

631
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 5: sell the blockchain of said highlight, so you know, if

632
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 5: somebody wants to use that clip in a movie or

633
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: in a commercial. You're not getting paid dividends by the NBA,

634
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 5: but you know, similar to the Mona Lisa. The person

635
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: who owns the Mona Lisa or the museum that owns

636
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: the Mona Lisa, has the ability to sell it, has

637
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 5: the ability to do other things with it. The same

638
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 5: is true with a top shot. So yes, I've watched

639
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 5: that Lebron dunk tons of times, but I don't have

640
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: the ability to sell it because I don't own that

641
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: top shot.

642
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 6: How does that work with the NBA since they own

643
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 6: the intellectual property for it. When I take the Highlight

644
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: and now try to sell it, could there be a lawsuit?

645
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: Don a rule, So there's definitely not gonna be lossuit

646
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: because it's it's licensed, so they paid the NBA to

647
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: be able to do this. But I do think it

648
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 5: will be a very interesting situation when their licensing agreement

649
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: comes to an end because it has grown so much

650
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: faster than I thought I was going to. From the

651
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: NBA's standpoint, it is. I mean, they've done like three

652
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: hundred million year a day. These numbers are ridiculous.

653
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: So you own it, which you really don't own it

654
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Speaker 2: because the NBA still owns the highlight, right, okay.

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Speaker 5: But you own the digital collectible of that highlight, so.

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Speaker 2: You own Where is this digital? Is this digital?

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Speaker 5: Is it a hologram? Let me explain it this way.

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Speaker 5: Let's say you buy that mic Trout card. You don't

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Speaker 5: own the photo of the mic Trout card, but.

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Speaker 2: You own the mic Trout card card. Yeah, okay, I

661
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Speaker 2: got it. So the NFT of that Lebron James Dunk

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Speaker 2: is this? How have I seen this? Is it like

663
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Speaker 2: inside of a cube? That's like a hologram? Rot Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that's what happening.

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Speaker 5: But the cool thing about n f T is are

666
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Speaker 5: they go with you wherever you go. So I have, like,

667
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Speaker 5: I have too many sports cards to be able to handle.

668
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 5: I just do all sports card collectors, so I can't

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Speaker 5: physically have them with me at all times. I wish

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Speaker 5: I could have brought them all here, but I can't.

671
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Speaker 5: But my NFT collection comes with me wherever I go.

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Speaker 5: It's my phone, it's on my computer, it's on anybody

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Speaker 5: else's phone if I log in.

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Speaker 2: So all right, But but how though? How is it

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Speaker 2: like a website? Is it a USB chord? Where is

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Speaker 2: that like?

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Speaker 5: Is it ap?

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Speaker 2: How do you access your NFT collection?

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Speaker 5: So for top Shot, it's on NBA top shot dot com.

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Speaker 5: For other collectibles. Some are on you know, other platforms.

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Speaker 5: I'm an advisor for a platform called Authornity where we're

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Speaker 5: producing authentic n f T collectibles for celebrities, partnering big

683
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Speaker 5: celebrities with with big artists. So we announced our Muhammad

684
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Speaker 5: Ali collection with his foundation and part of that goes

685
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Speaker 5: to their charity, Fernando Tatist Junior the other day, Tony

686
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Speaker 5: Hawk last week. It's super exciting and that that's all

687
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Speaker 5: on you know, the Authnity platform. Whereas you know, you

688
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Speaker 5: have other platforms where different things can live on and

689
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Speaker 5: you can transfer them from one platform to another if

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Speaker 5: they're decentralized. That's the key differentiator between n f D platforms.

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Speaker 5: Top shot is centralized, so you.

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Speaker 2: Can't transfer the top shot from one place take it

693
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Speaker 2: off to another place.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 2: So what all right, let's get into this what is

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Speaker 2: an n f T and like a third grade explanation

697
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Speaker 2: because I think most people haven't they've heard of it. No,

698
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Speaker 2: people are making a bunch of money, but they still

699
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Speaker 2: fully understand what an NFT is.

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Speaker 5: Right, So I'll preface this with everything is super new

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Speaker 5: if you had asked most of the experts. And that's

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Speaker 5: why I say like, I don't like me call it

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Speaker 5: expert because I didn't know what an NFT was a

704
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Speaker 5: year ago, So how could I possibly be an expert now? Right?

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Speaker 5: So if you ask most people who are the biggest

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Speaker 5: in the space what an NFT was two years ago,

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't have an answer. So it's totally understandable as

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Speaker 5: a preface that people don't know what it is because

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Speaker 5: most people didn't. NFT is an acronym for non fungible token,

710
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Speaker 5: and all that means in short, is it's the ability

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Speaker 5: to sell a digital collectible. That's really what it is.

712
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Speaker 5: There are all of these different platforms that sell you know,

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Speaker 5: whether it be a photo or video or art that

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Speaker 5: is only available in this digital form unless it has

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Speaker 5: a corresponding physical aspect. But most only have this digital form,

716
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Speaker 5: and you buy it, you are the either sole owner

717
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Speaker 5: of it or if there's a set quantity, you are

718
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Speaker 5: one of that many owners of it, and then you

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Speaker 5: have the ability to resell that. Let's say I drew

720
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Speaker 5: something on this table here, took a photo of it,

721
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Speaker 5: then we destroyed the table so there's no physical, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, component of it, and then I made that

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Speaker 5: an NFT and somebody could go out and buy the

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Speaker 5: NFT of my drawing on this table, and then they

725
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Speaker 5: would own that. I wouldn't own it, they would. And

726
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Speaker 5: the cool thing about NFTs from an artist standpoint is

727
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Speaker 5: you get twenty percent royalty or ten percent royalty whatever

728
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Speaker 5: you set it as in advance. So it's different from

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Speaker 5: any card or any physical asset. Whereas you know, Banksy

730
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Speaker 5: can sell a work of art for a million dollars,

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Speaker 5: but that's the last million dollars you see, is half

732
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Speaker 5: million after taxes. And you know, whereas somebody could sell

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Speaker 5: an NFT today for a million dollars, you could sell

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Speaker 5: that same artwork for a million and then it gets

735
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Speaker 5: sold for two million, but he gets four hundred thousand

736
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Speaker 5: of that because he had a twenty percent royalty on

737
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 5: it and it's tracked all within blockchain, and it's passive

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Speaker 5: because you're not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: So can we go back to two seconds?

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Speaker 6: Because when you said that centralized like top shot, if

741
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Speaker 6: you've had your car collection, are some of.

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Speaker 2: Those NFTs also on the Ethereum network?

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Speaker 6: So I'm thinking like if I have an NFT and

744
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Speaker 6: I'm putting it on the etherm Nework, now can that

745
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Speaker 6: live inside my ethereum wallet.

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Speaker 5: No, so top shot runs on something called dapper or

747
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 5: their own coin, their own currency. It's not on ethereum

748
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Speaker 5: at all. It's crypto over right, it's their own token.

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Speaker 2: So you have to buy NFTs with cryptocurrency correct, most

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Speaker 2: platforms platform.

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Speaker 5: Some platforms allow you to pay via credit card to

752
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Speaker 5: turn that into crypto, but most of the end to

753
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Speaker 5: end exchanges run on crypto.

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Speaker 6: If I have a VISA massive card, it does a

755
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Speaker 6: conversion or do I have to transfer it to whatever

756
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Speaker 6: the token of choices.

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Speaker 5: It all depends on the platform, but most require you

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Speaker 5: to just have the ethereum or the ability to turn

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Speaker 5: it into their own currency.

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Speaker 2: So ethereum is a coin of choice for NFTs, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it really has shaped out that way. The utility

762
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Speaker 5: of ethereum beats the utility of Bitcoin and light cooin

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Speaker 5: or without doage coin. You know, a piece of utility

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Speaker 5: for a lot of those other tokens that that has

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Speaker 5: been And although I will say ethereum, it's wort of

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Speaker 5: knowing that it is an inflationary token whereas bitcoin is not.

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Speaker 5: There are more ethereum produced to match the natural inflation,

768
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Speaker 5: whereas bitcoin is a set quantity. So all those same

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Speaker 5: things again apply back over to sports cards and collectibles.

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Speaker 5: You want to know the quantity, you want to know

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Speaker 5: how many are out there.

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Speaker 6: That was one of the things we was studying was

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Speaker 6: the circulating and supply of the coin, right because we

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Speaker 6: know if there's going to be eliminated I think it

775
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Speaker 6: was like nineteen or eighteen point two million bitcoin, then

776
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Speaker 6: at some point there will be no more there are

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Speaker 6: than to be produced. And so when we saw etherum,

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Speaker 6: before we even understood like, okay, that's why they have

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Speaker 6: to keep making coins, it was like, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, well what can the value be? Well, the functionality

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Speaker 2: will be determined on how many people build on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's just being aware of that. Like you know,

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Speaker 5: Incredible things underneath Ethereum and so many cool platforms built

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Speaker 5: on it that have you know, thousands of daily exchanges.

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Speaker 5: It's it's really incredible. And Ethereum two point zero hasn't

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Speaker 5: even launched yet. It's like, you know, you know, transparently. Also,

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Speaker 5: I'm invested in Ethereum, so obviously I believe in it,

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Speaker 5: but but it does have a lot of utility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all this stuff is stuff that you know,

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Speaker 2: it's changed in the world, and it's all kind of

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Speaker 2: combining together. I just put more I was always invested

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Speaker 2: in Ethereum. I invested more money Ethereum. A couple of

843
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. I bought my first trading card as let's go, dude,

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Speaker 2: you're on fire. I know right now, I just need

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Speaker 2: the n FT. But I feel like as NFTs go up,

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Speaker 2: Ethereum I'm going to go up as well. Kind of

847
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Speaker 2: tied to each other.

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Speaker 5: I for a moment, I and in some ways I

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Speaker 5: look at Ethereum as the ETF for n f T

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Speaker 5: s from the sense of there's nothing more broad that

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Speaker 5: you can get unless you're investing in a platform that

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Speaker 5: does it or an individual you know, something like that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good comparison the ETF n f t s,

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Speaker 2: meaning it's a safe way to kind of indirectly invest

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Speaker 2: in n f t s because they kind of tied loosely,

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Speaker 2: tied to each other.

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Speaker 5: Very loosely, because n f t s right now are

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Speaker 5: a very very small percentage of what Ethereum's use cases

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Speaker 5: are and most people are just holding their ethereum so

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Speaker 5: a lot if it's not getting transacted anyways, but in

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Speaker 5: a way way it is, you know, the most broad

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Speaker 5: way too.

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Speaker 2: Because that's that's my nice question. Have some in how

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Speaker 2: do you invest in n f t s, That's the

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Speaker 2: question people ask all.

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Speaker 5: It's all so you can go to individual platforms like

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Speaker 5: euthentity or you know, all these other platfors.

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Speaker 2: Authornity, Yeah, Authornity, what is it Thornity. That's like so

869
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: you can just buy anything or anything.

870
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 5: Like so on on authornity. Once the platform is fully launched.

871
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 5: There have been a few drops, but it's individual artists

872
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 5: and celebrities so on. On Authornity. There are a couple

873
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 5: different types of platforms. There are platforms that allow anybody

874
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 5: to post anything. That's an example of that is a

875
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: platform called open ce Open Seed, open c see Sea

876
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 5: yeah Sea.

877
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: Like the open.

878
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 5: And anybody can upload anything on there. There's a bunch

879
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 5: of crap like it is not good. You will lose

880
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 5: your money. You'll only buy things that you know or

881
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: buy things of you know, things where it's blatantly obvious

882
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 5: that there will be lots of demand. Then there are

883
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 5: other platforms like Authornity, the one that I'm an advisor for,

884
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 5: where it's only celebrity. So every NFT drop on that

885
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: platform is associated with somebody like Muhammad Ali or Tony

886
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 5: Hawk or Fernando Tatis or other celebrities in the future, right,

887
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: so you know that you know it's it's somebody.

888
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 6: So this is when social equity now plays a huge

889
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 6: part because so big. The more you have social equity,

890
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: you can go onto this platform and now it becomes

891
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 6: a rare thing separation from.

892
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 5: The Simultaneously, I will say that where a lot of

893
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 5: people are missing the mark is by either valuing things

894
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: too high not properly quantifying for what the demand is

895
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 5: going to be. Because trust is the number one thing

896
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 5: in everything, right, whether it be from business to personal

897
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: relationships whatever. Trust is everything, and especially between a celebrity

898
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: and their fans, or an influencer and their fans, or

899
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 5: a person and the people that follow them. And at

900
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: where a lot of people are missing the mark on

901
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 5: NFTs is they value things so high. People invest because

902
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: they're really excited about this opportunity and then it goes

903
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: down in value because they miss properly estimated what the

904
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: demand would be. And then you're in a situation where

905
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 5: people start saying, oh, I lost money on said persons drop,

906
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 5: and that destroys consumer trust.

907
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: So in your role as an advisor, you the person

908
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 6: are saying like, this is this is the amount that

909
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 6: we should have the quantity, this is the price target

910
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 6: we should have.

911
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: And this is the commission you should put on this.

912
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's one of the things that I help

913
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 5: with and I've helped you get other people on the

914
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 5: team who are even better at that than I am.

915
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 5: But but yeah, that's a super important component of it

916
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: because if you put something out, you should always put

917
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 5: something out for significantly less than what the demand is

918
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 5: going to be, right, because then that's the room of appreciation.

919
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: You want everybody to make money when you do anything

920
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: if I put out if Virgil Ablo puts out a

921
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 5: shoe for five thousand dollars, I don't know if it's

922
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 5: going to be worth more than five thousand, and then

923
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: it's tricky to get people to buy it. And even

924
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 5: if they buy it, then it's like there's no good

925
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 5: vibes there. Whereas if you put the shoe out for

926
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: four hundred and then people go buy it. It's a

927
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: race to go buy. Kanye is the goat of doing

928
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: this with easy right, but just using Virgil as an example, here,

929
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: people go out and five x their money on his

930
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: sneakers and then everybody loves Virgil, Like this dude stands

931
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 5: for appreciation on investment. You want to be that guy?

932
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 5: You don't want to.

933
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you think that people are looking at

934
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: like you think that Virgil and Kanye thinking about that

935
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: when they are dropping products, or even like Adidas or

936
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 2: you know these type of brands where they're like thinking

937
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: about the resale. They're thinking about the resale when they

938
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: drop the.

939
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 5: Retail because resale is what drives future buys. Resale is

940
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 5: the reason that people buy the next product. Everybody's in it,

941
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 5: everybody's in life to make money for obvious reasons, for

942
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 5: better or worse in different aspects. Sometimes they are sometimes

943
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 5: or not. When they're buying easy's either they're buying it

944
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: to wear it and then they get that social status

945
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 5: kick or bonus or ego flow or whatever, or they're

946
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: in to make money or they just love that.

947
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: Those people are so the retail. The retail is being

948
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: dictated by the resale. Yeah.

949
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it's like when he puts out value one, right,

950
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 6: if you miss out on volume one, you got it.

951
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 6: Like now you're making sure that you don't miss value

952
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: two because.

953
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: It's a bitcoin, it's all the stuff, nobody behind it.

954
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean that part, but I'm just saying as far

955
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: as like because like you said, they could probably charge more,

956
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: but then it's like by charging more, you're actually hurting

957
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: the resale, and the resale is actually hurting is actually

958
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: helping the retail because the demand is that I'm going

959
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: to buy this out the first day so I can

960
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 2: resell it. So even though you're not you're not getting

961
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: profit on the resale, it's actually helping the retail because

962
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: all the resale sellers are rushing. If you raise the prices,

963
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: then that's going to lower the demand for retail sell sellers.

964
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

965
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 5: Everybody's got to make money.

966
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Virgils is probably even better. I mean

967
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 6: the same as well, one hundred and sixty dollars right now,

968
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 6: the five thousand.

969
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: Doesn't that establish so much trust for you?

970
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: And he doesn't.

971
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 6: His thing was like that, the ten drop that's ne

972
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 6: ever happening again where it's easy. His goal from the

973
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 6: start was everybody who ever wants a pair of easies

974
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 6: will have a pair of easies.

975
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't happened yet.

976
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 5: But he's working towards simultaneously. The stuff like the very

977
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 5: early stuff like the Nike that's easy is so valuable

978
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 5: because of the limited quantity. The early Adida is easy

979
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 5: is so valuable because it wasn't yet made for everybody.

980
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 5: And for Kanye, obviously, he's at a different point where

981
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 5: I think his goals have shifted, particularly with his gap

982
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: partnership and other things. And only Kanye can speak for

983
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 5: this himself, but yeah, we'll ask him please.

984
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: That's actually pretty dope, Okay, So at what point do

985
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: you see all of this colliding? We spoke to Gary

986
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: V about this with the World of because this is

987
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: how I envisioned NFTs where it's like an NFT.

988
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 5: Art.

989
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, I can actually instead of buying artwork, I

990
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: can go on a website, see a dope artist that

991
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: I like, buy their painting, have a hologram of it

992
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: in my house, where now it's like I can move

993
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: it to different rooms and now I'm actually living that

994
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: art and I can take that art anywhere, and now

995
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: it's like virtual reality. I buy it with cryptocurrency, so

996
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: it's cryptocurrency and it's NFT all blended together and even

997
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: moving even forward in my brain, like I buy I

998
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: buy the Lebron James dunking over Jason Terry, Right, I

999
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: buy that, So I buy it with crypto. It's an NFT,

1000
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: but now I actually can play it as a virtual

1001
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: moment like a little thing that sits here on the table,

1002
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: and I can just watch Lebron James dunking and just

1003
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: running back and just stop it. Am I going too

1004
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 2: far with this in my brain?

1005
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: Or is this no?

1006
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: Not at all?

1007
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 5: I think they're like everything you're thinking as one hundred

1008
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 5: percent right times a thousand right, Because once widespread adaptation

1009
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: of virtual reality and things like products like Oculus are

1010
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: made accessible by everybody, you're no longer living in the

1011
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 5: real world, So which is more important? I think there's

1012
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: a place for both. Obviously, I believe in NFTs. I

1013
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 5: also believe equally in sports cards and historical artifacts and

1014
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 5: things like that. You know an example of that, I

1015
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 5: recently bought an Abraham Lincoln signed document from eighteen sixty

1016
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 5: five where he was appointing the then Postmaster general. How

1017
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 5: what you paid for fifteen thousand, which I think is

1018
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 5: a steal because it's also great at a PSA ten.

1019
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: But what does something like that go and sell it?

1020
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 5: Like?

1021
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: Is that like at an auction or where you find.

1022
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, usually just private collectors. It'll be private deals, but

1023
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 5: you'll find some of them an auction. Auctions can be

1024
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 5: tricky though, because sometimes they're unauthenticated, so you really have

1025
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 5: to know what you're doing. The best thing is always

1026
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 5: buying things in a PSA slab because it's previously authenticated.

1027
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 5: But to answer your question, I think that the farther

1028
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 5: and farther we get down the road of it of

1029
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 5: spending more time in digital spending more time in virtual reality.

1030
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 5: Like we think our screen times are high now, I

1031
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 5: think it's just the beginning Oculus is Facebook's virtual reality product.

1032
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: It's a headset that you put on and you're in

1033
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 5: virtual That's how I actually shop eBay, I look at

1034
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: easy in VR. Yeah, I do a few things in VR.

1035
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 5: But I think when you're in that sort of a

1036
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 5: landscape widespread for a lot of people, and you're able

1037
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 5: to go to go to your friend's house virtually and

1038
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 5: look at all of their collectibles. And some platforms like

1039
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 5: that exist now, like one's called VV I believe, where

1040
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 5: you have things where you can do They do that now,

1041
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 5: but that as well as companies like Infinite Objects, where

1042
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 5: they're making screens that you can buy now and have

1043
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 5: in your house and display all of your NFTs on

1044
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 5: a loop, like in your studio. I don't know if

1045
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 5: they've seen people probably see it in your social but

1046
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 5: you have a ton of album covers, right, Imagine if

1047
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 5: each one was a screen that rotated every album ever.

1048
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: The middle piece. Yeah, yeah, this is pretty crazy.

1049
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 6: My brother was Actually, he's been trying to put me

1050
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 6: onto this because of the exercise on it.

1051
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 5: It's amazing.

1052
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 6: He loves that, And so I think it'll be widespread

1053
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 6: when they can figure out to just make it a

1054
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 6: little bit smaller right now, it's like this big thing

1055
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 6: on your face and you kind.

1056
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 5: Of lose totally because it's expensive, exactly.

1057
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: And so I think definitely in the future, because that

1058
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: virtual world is something that you have touch. How I

1059
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: envision I have a very creative brain. I go too

1060
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: far sometimes, but how I envision it. There's no glasses

1061
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: at all. It's actually contact lenses. Right.

1062
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 6: That's smoking talk in the content, and you just go

1063
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: to Paris, you know, like who's that was my minority

1064
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 6: report with Tom Cruise. It was like you had the

1065
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 6: little lens and it was like it became the computer

1066
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 6: and everything was in front of him.

1067
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 5: It seems inevitable, right, It was like it was felt

1068
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 5: for telling it. You know, I'm young, right, but even

1069
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 5: in the last ten to fifteen years. Look at how

1070
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 5: far pros like the iPhone didn't exist fifteen years ago.

1071
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a.

1072
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 5: Crazy thing to wrap ahead around.

1073
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: If you're watching this, imagine for us. I can only

1074
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: if you're watching this or you listen to this screenshot

1075
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: it take a picture to take a mental note. This

1076
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: is documented in history, so when it actually happens ten

1077
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: years from now, you can say that we were on

1078
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: the cutting edge of providing this this insight, because I

1079
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 2: feel like there's no way that the world doesn't move

1080
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: into this direction fully because it's already headed in the direction.

1081
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 5: The rate of progress in society is only going faster

1082
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 5: and faster because of the ability to learn things. You

1083
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 5: have two year olds that are using iPads with fluidity,

1084
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: when eighty to ninety year olds can't. The compounded the

1085
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 5: compounded version of that is people advancing everything at rates

1086
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: that have never been done before and increasing every year.

1087
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: So year over year, the rate of technology improving is

1088
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 5: only going to get faster and higher. So I'm with you, guys,

1089
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 5: it's inevitable.

1090
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 6: I just thought about that in your life, Like the

1091
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 6: iPhone didn't exist when you were born with TNL Yeah,

1092
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 6: like that's crazy.

1093
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: iPads didn't exist, but they now. That's the crazy twenty is.

1094
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk Let's talk some sports and your page. So

1095
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: you have an NBA page, Quohook's Nation. We've built it

1096
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: over a million followers. You had an interesting take on

1097
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: what the NBA versus other sports leagues. So if the

1098
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: NBA is more friendly with their content for content crea,

1099
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that like you have page

1100
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: what's to do for a It's a bunch of people

1101
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: to have curated content around sports, but especially around NBA

1102
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: and have become like celebrities on social media. So what

1103
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: is the NBA doing that other sports leagues are not doing?

1104
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 5: So funny enough, it's actually what they're not doing. The

1105
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 5: NFL will strike down people's content if they use NFL footage.

1106
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 5: The MLB will have pages deleted and wiped out because

1107
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 5: they're violating intellectual property. The NHL is the same way

1108
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 5: all pretty much all soccer leagues are the same way worldwide.

1109
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 5: Whereas the NBA realized something really early. They realized, you know,

1110
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 5: the same thing that maybe Kanye with Adidas realized, which

1111
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: was people talking about my thing is actually good for

1112
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 5: my thing. Why would I stop people from talking about

1113
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 5: it if it's not directly conflicting with our bottom line

1114
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: and our live TV viewership. So the NBA allowed micro

1115
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 5: commune it is to exist from the very beginning of

1116
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 5: the Internet, and that has led to the NBA having

1117
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 5: ten times as many followers as pretty much any other

1118
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 5: professional sports league themselves, not counting all the micro communities

1119
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 5: like Hoops Nation, you know, has five million on TikTok

1120
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 5: and a million on Instagram and you know, half a

1121
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 5: million on Facebook and all these that could have never

1122
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: existed without the NBA's IP policies. Whereas their view is

1123
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 5: if it doesn't directly conflict with our live TV viewership

1124
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 5: or you know, our digital viewership on full games, it helps.

1125
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 5: So AKA, if you're not live streaming our games or

1126
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 5: playing full game highlights, you're helping us problem.

1127
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: When people I shaved from shout out to them, they

1128
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: hit us up today and they wanted to post the

1129
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: clip that we did with Jim Jim Jong, and I'm like, sure,

1130
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, and we give you credit.

1131
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: Mind not bad, because that only leads to us becoming

1132
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: bigger because they have a huge twenty six million people

1133
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: on Instagram page exactly, people are going to see. Why

1134
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: would you not want them to show? You said along

1135
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: with they're not taking the entire podcast and repurposing it

1136
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: and running ads against it. I mean, the NBA content

1137
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: is more viewable.

1138
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: You can just tell if you look at all the

1139
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 6: sports and you look at the views for NBA Highlights,

1140
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 6: its passes any other sport.

1141
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 5: But I think that's why. I think because of the policy.

1142
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 5: That's why there's also more programmed for it. Maybe maybe football,

1143
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 5: but NBA I can't see them. Well, you can still

1144
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 5: have highlights, but baseball, I mean you hit a home run, okay,

1145
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: defensive play, something might trout, climb in the wall is

1146
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 5: pretty loud, but.

1147
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: It's not as likes jumping on you see somebody gett

1148
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: dunked on. So it doesn't matter who it is, it's better.

1149
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: It's better visually to watch NBA highlights to other sports.

1150
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 5: The uniqueness of the NBA and contrast other sports. You

1151
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 5: look at the NBA versus the NFL. NFL, you forty players,

1152
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 5: fifty sixty players on the field at the same time.

1153
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 5: They're all wearing helmets. You can't see their faces. MLB

1154
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 5: they're wearing hats and there are twelve players, thirteen players

1155
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: on the field at the same time. Hockey is a

1156
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 5: you can't even you don't even know if a person

1157
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 5: there could be a robot on the clue.

1158
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: I can't.

1159
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 5: Whereas with the NBA, you have five guys on a team,

1160
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 5: yeah uh, you know, ten guys on a court at

1161
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 5: the same time. You see their faces, You see Lebron's face.

1162
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 5: That's why NBA player is so much more famous than

1163
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 5: any other athletes. Soccer is actually similar, and the reason

1164
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 5: that soccer is so big is just because the amount

1165
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 5: of viewers is crazy. Even though they're smaller on the field,

1166
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 5: but you get more close ups and they're not wearing

1167
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: a mask or a hat or anything, so you can

1168
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 5: see their faces. The facial recognition of NBA players is

1169
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 5: unparalleled to other sports. So that's why they're twenty thirty

1170
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 5: guys with five ten million followers on Instagram as opposed

1171
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 5: to the NFL, where it's Odell Beckham Junior, case.

1172
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: Closes and you guys.

1173
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 6: And the important thing about what you guys can do

1174
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: is you can make a start, right, Yeah, that high

1175
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 6: Like I'll.

1176
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: Give you a perfect example.

1177
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 6: Right, most people have no idea who Tyler Haliburn is,

1178
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 6: but if they watch the highlight that he just dropped

1179
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 6: his guy on the floor, now I'm a fan because

1180
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 6: I got to see if he can do that again.

1181
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: Right, So it makes it like a unique thing where

1182
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: it's like you didn't know him before, but now you do.

1183
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 5: Because the highlight in the NFL for you to be

1184
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: big time used to be Tom Braidy. You have to

1185
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 5: win seven super you have to be the greatest of

1186
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 5: all time, and even then he has won seventh followers

1187
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 5: Lebron Champions.

1188
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: And I feel like sports in general has their popularity

1189
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: as far as players, has decreased drastically, Like when I

1190
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: was a kid growing up nineties even two thousands, like

1191
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: sports was everything like you really now not so much.

1192
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: Like NFL players don't mean anything. They don't anything this

1193
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: cultural relevance at all. Unless you, like you said, you're

1194
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: Odell Beckham or Tom Brady, you don't really You're not

1195
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: important at all. Social media influencers are way more important

1196
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: than NFL players, And only a couple of NBA players

1197
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: really mean that, like a couple like the All Stars.

1198
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: That's it. The average NBA players struggling to get into

1199
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 2: a club in self beach.

1200
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: But that's a funny visual. I can't.

1201
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: Well, he probably has more. You've heard about it. I'm

1202
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: sure he has more social pull than a lot of

1203
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: NBA players. It definitely does not even question. I mean,

1204
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: we've seen it with our platform, like for sure, I

1205
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 2: guarantee more people recognize us than a lot of NBA

1206
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: players at this point. So I say, I have to say,

1207
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm going away with this. It used to be a

1208
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: thing where you where people say you are the sum

1209
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: of your friends that you hang out with. But I

1210
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: heard you say something that you are the sum of

1211
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: the Instagram pages that you follow. Yeah, talk about that.

1212
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 5: So in a year like twenty twenty or twenty twenty one,

1213
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 5: where our screen times are higher than the time that

1214
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 5: we spend around our friends and family, which is just

1215
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 5: the reality, you know, not to like sugar coat anything.

1216
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 5: The time you spend it is extremely important and impactful

1217
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 5: on you no matter what you do, whether you're hang

1218
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: out with friends in life or family, but for the

1219
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 5: phone's sake, it's so important what you see. You have

1220
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 5: to be consuming the right stuff. You have to be

1221
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 5: consuming stuff that helps you. You have to be consuming

1222
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 5: stuff that uplifts you, but not inorganically, not like cheesy

1223
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 5: or tacky like stuff that is actual beneficial, actually beneficial

1224
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 5: to you in your life. So that is why you

1225
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 5: know in the same way that you are the sum

1226
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 5: in real life of those whom you are closest to,

1227
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 5: those whom you talk to the phone on the most,

1228
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 5: even those who you snapchat whatever, they're all adding to

1229
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 5: who you are as a person, and that changes and

1230
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 5: ebbs and flows the same way like you know a

1231
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 5: body shape or something like that could when you work

1232
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 5: out right. But for Instagram it is so underrated. How

1233
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 5: important is who you follow? Unfollow everybody that isn't good

1234
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 5: to you because it's negative energy, and it's just it compounds.

1235
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 5: It compounds like crazy. You don't even notice it happening.

1236
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 5: You see a story of that bugs, you mute them forever.

1237
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm serious.

1238
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 5: One strike policy. I have a one strike policy on

1239
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 5: my feed if I if I see something I don't like, gone, you.

1240
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: Do dumb shit? One time? You're done yet?

1241
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 5: And I thought that, unfollowless and I'll just mute them.

1242
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: Mute on Instagram is the most underrated tool.

1243
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: Instagram youtu yourself because it's like the algorithm. There's so

1244
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: many people that I don't even follow, and I actually

1245
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: want to see their content and I just never see

1246
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: it until i actually see them more on my Explore

1247
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: page randomly and I'm like, oh, I need to follow this.

1248
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: Oh I'm already following them. I haven't seen a post

1249
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: for forty two weeks.

1250
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 5: So one thing I'll say, when you follow somebody on Instagram,

1251
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 5: what they do is they immediately test to see if

1252
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 5: you're actually going to engage that account. I like it.

1253
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 5: They put the post at the top of your feet originally,

1254
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 5: So if you really want to see somebody's content, go

1255
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 5: and like those posts immediately, because then they'll keep feeding

1256
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 5: it to you.

1257
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 6: Oh okay, then can we talk about the importance of

1258
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 6: Hoops Nation because not only was it as a sports

1259
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 6: basketball outlet, but you have.

1260
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: Artists reaching out to you too.

1261
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 6: Meek Milk decided that, you know what, this is a

1262
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 6: basketball site, but it's an interesting reason why he pulls

1263
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 6: on you'll.

1264
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: Talk about that.

1265
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, So for a bunch of different labels. Since I

1266
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 5: was like sixteen, well, I realized a couple of things.

1267
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 5: A you know, I had this platform all of my

1268
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 5: friends because you know, in any business, you're going to

1269
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 5: become friends with people are doing similar things. So all

1270
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I had this huge network of all

1271
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 5: the basketball pages. You know, when I realized that, hey,

1272
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 5: these these uh you know, these rappers want to be

1273
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 5: NBA players. The NBA players want to be rappers. I

1274
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 5: am sort of a weird media intermediary here. Why don't

1275
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 5: we put a lot of these songs over the tops

1276
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 5: of the stuff We're already posting. So I started reaching

1277
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 5: out to labels like Atlantic and Interscope, and it was

1278
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 5: a very easy, you know, symbiotic relationship from the beginning

1279
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 5: where I could use my pages and all of my

1280
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 5: friend's pages. Everybody wins, and you know, the artist stuff

1281
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 5: gets featured. So Meek's been somebody who have done a

1282
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 5: campaign for through the label and not Meek's not out

1283
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 5: here like personally handling his digital campaigns.

1284
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 6: But that's how you're putting the music to the highlight.

1285
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 6: And now because I'm watching the highlight, I hear the song,

1286
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 6: I need to know what song this is?

1287
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes highlights, sometimes memes, sometimes like street videos that

1288
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: will get you know, from and and IP for and yeah.

1289
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: I've fallen victims to that a bunch of times, Like

1290
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: what song is this? So Meek Mill reached out to

1291
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: you through the label. You never spoken to him before.

1292
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 5: I haven't spoken to him personally, Okay, when you just

1293
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 5: used his music.

1294
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: They asked me to, yeah put the championship.

1295
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's dope because and like I said, it

1296
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 6: breaks records like that just happened.

1297
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: I think swisted a video and he was dancing in

1298
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: the video. What song is this, and then it was

1299
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: like designer, So I go to Designer's page. Design is

1300
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: a new song. I like this song, this song, and

1301
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: they pay you for that obviously. So that's interesting because

1302
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: he's talking to influencers out to talk to pops. He

1303
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: got an Instagram page, and I got he was explaining

1304
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: to us how, uh well, first he explained to us

1305
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: how that page got brought for sixty million dollars. What's

1306
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: what's the page?

1307
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 5: The kwan and the networking pages underneath it?

1308
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was crazy. Yeah, and he was

1309
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: saying that had the Record Labels was spending there, but

1310
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: is on social media influencer pages now because like that's like,

1311
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, the way to market. That's like the Street

1312
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: Team where it's like, all right, this page has a

1313
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: million followers, like let's, you know, give this guy twenty

1314
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: thirty thousand whatever the budget is to promote the artists

1315
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: as opposed to just doing the traditional route, which is

1316
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: kind of outdated. So all of that is kind of

1317
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: merging together and now it's a new way that record

1318
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: labels are using to reach the masses through social media

1319
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: influencer pages.

1320
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: The simplest way to put it is they realize that

1321
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 5: the CPM, so the cost per you know, thousand and

1322
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 5: million views on platforms like TikTok and Instagram are a

1323
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 5: tenth of the cost of what they are on YouTube

1324
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 5: or a hundredth of the cost of what they are

1325
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 5: on linear TV. And it just made too much sense.

1326
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 6: How many pages do you have because at one point

1327
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 6: I read that you had up to twenty yourself.

1328
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. So so essentially one of the things that I'm

1329
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 5: doing with the Hoops Nation brand is either from acquiring

1330
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 5: other brands and other niches, like just acquired one called

1331
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 5: Ocean Nation. We have travel Nation. Cards Nation is a

1332
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 5: sports card subsidiary, and I have an alternative investment show

1333
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 5: underneath that Hoops Nation on all platforms. So and eventually

1334
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 5: we'll get into like Beauty Nation and things like that.

1335
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 5: I mean went out right, it's a franchise it but

1336
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 5: but yeah, that's sort of have.

1337
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: That is how people helping your team.

1338
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 5: So on the Hoops Nation team, it's five people who

1339
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 5: manage all the digital. On the Buster show, it's like

1340
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 5: five people, five or six people. Yeah, So that's that.

1341
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 5: And then depending on each project, all individual people who

1342
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 5: I trust who are doing that. And the reason I

1343
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 5: say that I trust is I really only do work

1344
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 5: with people who have known for years and trust Eli,

1345
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 5: who's yours produce. Eli and I have known each other

1346
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 5: for like two years before we started working together, and

1347
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 5: I think that having that trust beforehand for anything is

1348
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 5: the secret.

1349
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: You got to pick their albums with the shout out

1350
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 2: that you shout out good choices, choices, shout out to Drake,

1351
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: shout out to Jay. So okay, how does influencer determine

1352
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: the price that they should be charging if they get

1353
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: an approach with you have a million followers, you get

1354
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: an approached by Columbia Records or whatever, how do you

1355
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: know a lot of time, I think influencers don't know

1356
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,919
Speaker 2: how to fully engage their worth. Is there a formula?

1357
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 5: So more important than followers is engagement. Engagement is the

1358
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 5: number one thing that people who know what they're doing

1359
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 5: look at. So if you have a million followers and

1360
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 5: you have a ten percent engagement, or you're getting one

1361
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 5: hundred thousand likes per post, I you know to put

1362
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 5: a ballpark number I think you could charge if you're

1363
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 5: a person, I think you could charge all the way

1364
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 5: up to like fifty or one hundred thousand dollars for

1365
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 5: the post, but if you're a brand, it's like a

1366
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 5: tenth of that. Why you can just charge more for

1367
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 5: personal brands because you're posting less a So like on

1368
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 5: hoops Nation they are twenty seven thousand posts on my

1369
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 5: personal account. At Buster there are four hundred posts. You know,

1370
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 5: I can post thirty times on a basketb account, but

1371
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 5: if you posted fifty times on your personal brand, people

1372
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 5: are like, what the hell, man, you post too much,

1373
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 5: And that's just the fact of the matter.

1374
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: So the space becomes rare, your post space becomes rare.

1375
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's all digital real estate, right, the same

1376
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 5: way that people buy digital real estate in the form

1377
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 5: of NFTs on platforms like the Central Land. Me buying

1378
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 5: an Instagram post from somebody else is buying digital real

1379
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 5: estate on their page. So how much real estate is there?

1380
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: So it's really whatever you want to charge. There's no

1381
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: set formula for it, whatever you think is worth and

1382
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: then it's a person to pay it or not or negotiate.

1383
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 5: Totally, and you'll, you know, obviously, like any negotiation, always

1384
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 5: want to start a little bit higher, understand the market,

1385
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 5: understand what other people are getting paid for. Don't charge

1386
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 5: significantly less than what other people are because that undercuts

1387
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 5: the whole market. You know, just a lot of things.

1388
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: So what's your vision and taking the brand forward? Like

1389
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: what's your what's your goal to expand it?

1390
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 5: You know, I on a few different fronts. My personal

1391
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 5: goals are just to you know, gain more perspective and

1392
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 5: you know, key things like that that I just put

1393
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 5: on a pedestal in terms of like my own life importance.

1394
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 5: But from a business perspective, you know, Poop's nation to

1395
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 5: scale it out into every industry and that'll be fun

1396
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 5: and great. But on the podcast front, to be able

1397
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 5: to talk to you know, awesome people like yourselves and

1398
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 5: have cool conversations and build a catalog of fun IP

1399
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 5: that is passive and something that I enjoy. Right, So

1400
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 5: I even looked at it from the very beginning, Like

1401
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 5: when I was seventeen and decided I wasn't going to

1402
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 5: go to college. I decided that when I realized that,

1403
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 5: you know, a, it wouldn't have done that much for

1404
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 5: me personally. It would have been a disservice because I

1405
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 5: was much better off getting experience and sort of doing

1406
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 5: my own thing. Since I sort of started doing that

1407
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 5: by then, But b you know that if there was

1408
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 5: anybody that I wanted to talk to or that was

1409
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 5: really accomplished in an industry, they weren't going to be

1410
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 5: teaching the class in college. They were going to be

1411
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 5: doing their thing in the real world. But if I

1412
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 5: had a podcast, I could get a one on one

1413
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 5: lesson where they think, me, how the hell does that work?

1414
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 5: That's the most insane free education ever where other people,

1415
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 5: other people benefit from it. This expert thanks me, and

1416
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 5: I'm just sitting here thanking them. It's the most symbiotic

1417
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 5: thing ever. And that's what made me realize how fun

1418
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 5: podcasts are.

1419
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: You've been at this for lot.

1420
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 6: I don't think we even mentioned it, but you were

1421
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 6: like the best broadcaster in the country at fifteen years old.

1422
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1423
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, it's like one of the fun things that

1424
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 5: I still do, like obviously do for the Crew League

1425
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 5: and I've done NBA games before, but yeah, that's like

1426
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 5: a side fun thing really. But but yeah, personally, just

1427
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 5: keep building and growing and learning and helping as many

1428
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 5: people as I can.

1429
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 6: So in the Crew League, yeah, you've seen a lot

1430
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 6: of athletes and a lot of entertainers, good and bad.

1431
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: Who's the best that you've seen play.

1432
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 5: Little Dirt crossed me up pretty hard one time.

1433
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 2: Highlights.

1434
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 5: We played together one time at Chris Brickley's gym and

1435
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 5: I had to guard him. I will say, though, and

1436
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 5: I will hold him to this. That on a check ball,

1437
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 5: he pulled some some bush league plays on me. I'll

1438
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 5: break this down for you. He asked for the check.

1439
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 5: I asked for the check. He gave it to me.

1440
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: Then he know this was five on five. Then he

1441
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 5: said check again. Check West in the game and a

1442
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 5: few other people he said check again. I took it

1443
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 5: ran down the other way. Never forgive him, I know.

1444
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, he's really really good.

1445
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 5: Cross me up bad.

1446
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw him. He's good. Who's on the other end? Oh,

1447
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 2: I mean if you watch, if you've seen it, I'm.

1448
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 5: Like, if you watched the Crew League Season one, you

1449
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 5: will see that it's pretty evident that kidd le Roy

1450
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 5: and low keyd are noth very capable of asking.

1451
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1452
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 5: He just put out a song with Bieber and Bieber's

1453
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 5: new album today. He's wildly talented, and he's young. He's

1454
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 5: younger than me. He's like seventeen or eighteen. That's what's

1455
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: honest thing. He recruited heavy too. I don't know if

1456
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 5: you watched the episode.

1457
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: I really thought you were gonna say sweetly because there's

1458
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:47,839
Speaker 2: a jump shot.

1459
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 5: But dude, sweetly hit threes.

1460
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: I still know how it goes in When I watch,

1461
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, what neither neither did we? Neither did we?

1462
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: Our follows on Instagram shooter but the shooter, Yeah, he's

1463
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: awesome shot to him and Chris Briny and yeah, but

1464
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: to shoot it, that's tally. He trains these guys. It's

1465
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: weird because like he has these guys training, Like why

1466
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: are they training? Is there something I'm missing? But like no,

1467
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: they just like they like suicide, like they want to play.

1468
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: You see little like little Yachty like working on his

1469
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: form to all of these guys. So it's like, are

1470
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: they getting paid to do this?

1471
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 5: Well? I think they know that health is wealth, and

1472
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 5: you want to find whatever beneficial way that is to

1473
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 5: you that's conducive to you.

1474
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: Also having fun like workouts.

1475
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 5: I think it's more on the workout side, but it's

1476
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 5: also social status in cloud, Like you don't want to

1477
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 5: be the worst basketball playing rapper. You want to be

1478
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 5: the best.

1479
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: You know who I saw the other day.

1480
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 7: I was rowdy roady, no, brody rich, roddy rebel. He

1481
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 7: was in Brickley, Yeah, getting busy. I'm like, he's from Brooklyn,

1482
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 7: pop smoke, rest in Peace. He was pretty good too.

1483
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw him play a little bit Davies. He's

1484
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: actually played he wasn't. He actually played d one and talent,

1485
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming he's you know, he's talented. He's really Yeah,

1486
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: he's like six five right, yeah? What what did you

1487
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: think about a little baby? Uh oh, and he's the worst.

1488
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 2: Shout out the baby. He's my favorite rabbit. But that

1489
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: was embarrassing what he did. Shout out to the baby

1490
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 2: that wasn't in the ces. I didn't see that. No,

1491
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 2: con Man, I guess that was crazy. Shout out to

1492
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: the shots good is good every time. He's an athlete

1493
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: though baseball, football. He does everything.

1494
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 5: Jack Harlow is not bad either.

1495
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: Jack carl knows his road.

1496
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 6: He's big.

1497
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I look, I watched what he was doing, like,

1498
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 2: I like it. He's not trying to score. You're gonna

1499
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: set the screen. That would be like me and Shotty

1500
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: playing too. I'm gonna let him take every shot because

1501
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 2: he's a better shooter.

1502
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 5: I just give.

1503
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: I always get these ideas when i'm in what I'm in. No,

1504
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 2: we have to do something with dykeman e y L

1505
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: Summer League. We in three on three situation. You're gonna play.

1506
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: Maybe they asked me to play. They asked me to

1507
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 2: play an all star game two years ago. Yeah, they

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: gonna have like a while run celebrity all star games.

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: They asked me to play. I used to play D

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01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: one way. Yeah, so anything. The only thing that can

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: happen now is you get injured. You gotta you got

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: a light style of protect.

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: I think the E y O.

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 5: I thought about wearing mouthpieces. Now I'm not. There's no

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01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 5: risks to be had anymore. It's not worth it.

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,879
Speaker 8: You guys are on podcast. You guys think TV inside.

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 8: It's not it's not worth that chip w B Yeah,

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 8: bragging rights. Oh man, what's it's been. It's been a pleasure, bro,

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01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 8: I appreciate it. This is a very enjoyable conversation for us.

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01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 5: One last thing, you guys said you buy your first cards.

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 5: I got each of you your second card.

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 6: Wow, this is I got the Abraham Lincoln joint from

1524
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 6: what's this?

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: What's this? Break this down?

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01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 5: Nineteen fifty two?

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01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 2: See this? Check this, Yeah, that's the fact. Check it out.

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 5: So in nineteen fifty two Top, it says it on

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 5: the back is what it says. In nineteen fifty two,

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 5: Tops put out a set that had one hundred and

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 5: thirty of the most important people in the world. It

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 5: had everybody from nine presidents including Lincoln, to the biggest

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 5: most famous artists like da Vinci and Michaelangelo and Rembrandt.

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01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 5: So this is actually their Tops rookie card from nineteen

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 5: fifty two, so the same year as the Mantle.

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01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: How much does this work?

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01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 5: So that and PSA ten condition is thousands, but obviously

1538
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 5: that's ungraded, so it's less. But those are very cool

1539
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: cards that I think are also underrated because people don't

1540
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 5: even know they exist.

1541
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: Would you get Leonardo da Vinci? I appreciate it.

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 5: And the art style is the same as the fifty

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 5: two Tops baseball set. If you notice, look very.

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: Slilar What condition would this be considered?

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 5: So this is a little bit off center to see

1546
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 5: how there's more weight on this side as opposed to

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01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 5: the edge on this side.

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Speaker 2: The collectives well that's just how it was made.

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01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 5: And but that's also how it's great. But this is

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01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 5: probably halfways, probably like a PSA five to six.

1551
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, so they're looking when they agree, they're looking for imperfections,

1552
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 6: gotcha all times.

1553
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the differentiator.

1554
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to find a holidize man telling before we

1555
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 2: leave one one last day, so that one that that

1556
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 2: ten year that life thing that you had broke down,

1557
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: let's talk about that with the one ten years old,

1558
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: talk about that. What's the science behind that? Yeah?

1559
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 5: I sometimes I'll get caught in thoughts and I thought

1560
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 5: that I had that I wrote down in a journal

1561
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 5: and then posted on LinkedIn and I went a little viral.

1562
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 5: There was that the reason that time seems to move

1563
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 5: faster as you get older is because each year makes

1564
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 5: up a smaller and smaller percentage of your life, So

1565
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 5: the perspective is larger, whereas three hundred and sixty five

1566
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 5: days means less and less. So when you're ten, every

1567
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 5: year feels like it's so long because it's ten percent

1568
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 5: of your entire life, whereas when you're one hundred, it's

1569
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 5: just one percent. So the proportional scale of how fast

1570
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 5: that time is moving feels ten times faster. So the

1571
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 5: older you get, the faster time moves. For that reason,

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 5: it makes a lot of sense.

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 2: There you have it. There, You have spent a quarter

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01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: of your life doing this. You have how can the

1575
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,839
Speaker 2: people follow you out? What? Tell them all? Information? Website, podcasts, Instagram,

1576
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: all of that.

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, finally at Buster. But make sure to keep following

1578
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 5: these guys closely and turn on their post notifications and

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Speaker 5: subscribe to find me at Buster or the Buster Show podcast.

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01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: There you have it, Troy house keeping eye.

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Speaker 6: I thought you said a hologram, let's look ahead in

1582
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 6: my head, and I got to find my Holograyeh.

1583
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 2: Shout everybody on jon dot com. That is our profit

1584
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: paid program.

1585
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 6: Smote to all the earners that are on there that

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 6: have access to E y L University, the number one

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Speaker 6: space for everything financial, entrepreneurship and business. So we appreciate

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Speaker 6: everybody that's on it and everybody that's supporting merged. Shotty

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Speaker 6: got a vintage. We don't call Thatt the ventures strevet.

1590
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: It's not really a throw I mean it has a

1591
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: feel of it as that dope voice feel.

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Speaker 6: So shout everybody supporting the merch out and the merch team, Ben, Uh,

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01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 6: Smitty out in Atlanta, and Mike.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate everything that y'all do and Uh again, thank

1595
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: you for all the support. Yeah, thank you guys for

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Speaker 2: rock orders. We'll see you next week. Peace.

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