1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. Welcome 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: back to I Choose Me, where we dive into the 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: choices that shape our lives. Today's guest is someone I've 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: admired for decades and someone I had the chance to 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: work with very early in my own journey here in Hollywood. 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, I starred alongside her in A 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Brand New Life, one of my very first TV shows, 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: and it was an experience I will never forget. Barbara 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: Eden is a Hollywood icon. She starred opposite Elvis Presley, 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: made memorable appearances on I Love Lucy, The Johnny Carson Show, 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Perry Mason, and Gun Smoke, just to name a few. 12 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: I loved her work in How to Marry a Millionaire, 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the TV series It's so good you should watch it, 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: And of course she became a cultural touch stone as 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: Genie An I Dream of Genie. But behind the fame 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: and Sparkle is a woman who's made powerful, quiet choices 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: throughout her life. Choice is about identity, love, resilience, and 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: self respect in an industry that hasn't always made those easy. 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: She's also a New York Times bestselling author and most 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: recently released a beautiful children's book called Barbara and the Gin. Today, 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: we're going behind the curtain talking about what it really 22 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: takes to build a life on your own terms and 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: what Barbara's learned from a career and a life that 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: has been anything but ordinary. Please welcome Barbara Eden to 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. Barbara, Barbara, Barbara, you have no idea how 26 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: excited I am that you are sitting in front of 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: me right now. 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to see you. 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, been a minute, my daughter mom, Oh my gosh. 30 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: We did Brand New Life together in nineteen eighty nine. 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Don Murray. 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: With Don Murray, and I remember thinking, oh my god, 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm playing Barbara Eaton's daughter. And I also remember thinking, 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like two degrees away from Marilyn 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: Monroe because of Don and bus stop. Oh yeah, you know, 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: I was just like in all every day at work. 37 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Marilyn and I had the same stand 38 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: in you did because we were under contract of Fox 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: and Jee's character. That is cool, It is fun. 40 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: You just have no idea how you were the foundation 41 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: of my career because I had just moved to la 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: and I think this was my first acting job. Really, yes, 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: playing your daughter, My goodness, you were wonderful. Oh thanks, 44 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: But I watched everything you did. I don't know if 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: you noticed me stalking you at all times, but I 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: was just glued to you, and I wanted to see 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: how you did everything. And you I always credit you 48 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: as being the one who taught me how to have 49 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: set etiquette. Like you were the gold star in my mind, 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: and I always tried to live up to just being 51 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: like Barbara on set. 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Because there's so feel so good. 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were so warm and welcoming and professional, and 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I just I really look back on that time, so 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: finally I remember watching you. 56 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: I remember watching in the makeup trailer. 57 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Not to be creepy, but I remember just watching you 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: get your makeup done and watching the whole process. And 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: I remember you used to get makeup on your hands. 60 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: And at the time I was sixteen, Yeah, I thought, 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: why are they putting makeup on her hands? 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: And now that I'm fifty three, I know why. Yeah, 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: I get the hand makeup now. Well, I've always had 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: to do that even younger. Really, because my veins are 65 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: very blue. My mother, you're fair. I used to say, why, mommy, 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Why did she say you're a blue blood. 67 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: Okay, that's an answer, But I don't like them. I 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: know it's so true. They are very blue mine too. Yeah, yeah, 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Well nobody knows because we always have our hand makeup on. 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: I know that when you were younger, you've had this 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: incredible career that has spanned decades. I know that when 72 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: you were younger, before Hollywood, you wanted to be a singer, 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: and you studied singing and acting. 74 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: When you study acting, you do everything. You know, a 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: little bit of this, a little bit of that. I've 76 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: seen you dance, So you've got it. Well, thank you, 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: I have done it, but you've done it. But I 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: had very little training. It was really acting. Yeah, theater. 79 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: How did you know? How did you know you wanted 80 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: to be a performer? Well, it wasn't It wasn't something 81 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: I thought about a lot. We had a lot of 82 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: music in our house. My grandfather had been with the 83 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: opera company in San Francisco at the turn of the century, 84 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: and he always had well classical music in the house. 85 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: My mother sang a lot, and we'd sing together doing 86 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: the dishes, and it just sort of evolved. I was 87 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: in the choir church and one of my mother's friends 88 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: said she should study. And we didn't have a lot 89 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: of money at that time, but she gave me one 90 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: hundred dollars billow and said go. At that time that 91 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: was a lot of money. Yeah, And that started me. 92 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: And then I got a job and I could pay 93 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: for my own lessons at the Conservatory of Music and 94 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: San Francisco wonderful. And one day I was singing at 95 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: home and my mom came in and said, Barbara, you're 96 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: singing every note perfectly, but you don't mean a word 97 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: just singing. I think you should study acting. Oh that's 98 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: so I was. I think I was fourteen or fifteen 99 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: at that time. So I did, and it was so helpful, 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: so helpful for the singing and for the everything. You know, 101 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: theft I'm sure you have you studied. I have studied. Yes, 102 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: I studied dance and acting. Ever singing, yeah, see me, 103 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: never dancing. What was it that you broke through? Like, 104 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: what was it you said, I want to be in 105 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: the business. How did that happen? How did you come 106 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: to be? Oh? I just wanted to make a living. Okay, 107 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: good reason it was, this is what I was going 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: to do to make my living right away? I mean, 109 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: that's there was no question about it. My tea shirt. 110 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: Miss Holloway in San Francisco, after I'd been with her 111 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: for about oh, I don't know, through high school and 112 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: and one year of college, and she's in fact, she 113 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: was the one that said stop, you don't need college. 114 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: She said she she gave credit anyway, you know, and 115 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: said stop, come full time and study because I was 116 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: in there at night after school. So I did. I 117 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: did that for a couple of years, and then again 118 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: she had me in her office in Barbara. You have 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: to get out of the nest. I said, oh really, 120 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 2: She said yes, she said, you're you're too safe. You're 121 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: you're At that time, I was singing with dance bands 122 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: around the Bay Area, and I was a member of 123 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: Actors Equity. I had done a lot of theater and 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: she said, I either go to New York or LA 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: but there's nothing more for you here. And I didn't 126 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: know anyone in New York. I had an aunt and 127 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: uncle in San Marino, right down the hill from you, 128 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: and that's where I went. So I went from one 129 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: nest to another. Yes, but you got a taste of 130 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: that independence, and I did. When another friend or new 131 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: person I met here said, you have to move to 132 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: the Studio Club. San Marino isn't going to get you anywhere. 133 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: Where was the studio Club. The Studio Club was in Hollywood. 134 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 2: Haven't you heard about it? No? Oh, it was wonderful. 135 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: It was wonderful. It was. It had been started by 136 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: oh God, I can't think of her name now, an 137 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: actor in the thirties, actress, and she said, young women 138 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: need a place to stay were It isn't expensive and 139 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: they can get started. Anyone in the industry, Writers, secretaries, 140 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: actresses could live in this place. But it was pretty 141 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: tough to get in. It was difficult. No men were 142 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: allowed above the first floor, which is a big change 143 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: for today. Yeah, but you were with your contemporaries. You're 144 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: with people who were in the field. And I know 145 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: when there was an audition, we all raced out an 146 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: audition for it. 147 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: What was that like living in a home with women 148 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: that were young actresses, all wanting the same thing. 149 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: It was wonderful, it was. It was wonderful. Yeah. In fact, 150 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: my roommate Barbara Wilson, and I would go on the 151 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: She'd get an audition and I'd go with her. I'd 152 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: get one she'd go with me, the two of us, 153 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: and at one time that she was a brunette, beautiful, 154 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: beautiful young lady. We went on the interview and they said, well, 155 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: of course these are very small parts. I'm talking about, 156 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: not talking about starring in the room. And the director 157 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: who was interviewing us said, well, I guess I just 158 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: have to take both of you. You know that hat off. Yeah, 159 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: two of us. We had a good time. It was wonderful. 160 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: You always knew what was going on. You see, you 161 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: were at the hub. 162 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: You were right in the middle of them. Oh yeah, 163 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: that sounds so fun. 164 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: Well it was. It was. Also they also gave you 165 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: breakfast and dinner. I rarely ate there because I was 166 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: out in the street looking for work, but yeah, it was. 167 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: It was a wonderful place. I'm so sorry it's the 168 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: building is still but I guess no one wanted. Well 169 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: everything's changes, doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah, everyone wants their own 170 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: little apartment. I would rather have all the women around. 171 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, that sounds really fun. I can imagine how 172 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: fun that must have been. You came up in a 173 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: time when women in Hollywood were often cast as symbols. 174 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: They were beautiful or they were charming, but they were 175 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: rarely taken seriously as equals. 176 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: Did you feel that? No, no, I didn't. When I 177 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: first came down and I was still staying with my 178 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: aunt and uncle, there's a man at Warner Brothers I 179 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: was sent to meet. He was head of casting and 180 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: I talked to him. He talked to me. He knew 181 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: my background. I told her everything. You know, where I studied, 182 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: what I did, how many plays I'd done, and I 183 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: was a member of actor's equity. Okay. And he looked 184 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: at me and he said, you're just not Hollywood. I said, 185 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a very young girl, holding my gloves 186 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: and I just listened, and he said, this is what 187 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: they want. He showed me a picture of his daughter, 188 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: big tits. Well, I want to tell you right now, 189 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like much. But then I mean my father, 190 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: my uncle's never said that word. No, I never heard 191 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: that word in my life. But he said, but you're 192 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: just not pretty enough. You're just not what they want. 193 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: So I went out to the car my uncle had 194 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: driven me. I didn't know how to drive when I 195 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: came down here either, and holding back the tears, and 196 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: told my uncle what was said he was ready to 197 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: go back in have words. Yeah, but uh. Interestingly enough, 198 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: like eight months later, I was going to the coach 199 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: at Warner Brothers. He had seen me somewhere and said 200 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: work with me, and I said okay, and so I 201 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: would go on the lot. And one day I was 202 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: walking to where I was going to study and I 203 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: heard hey, hey, you hey, And I couldn't pay attention 204 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: because first of all, I was an under contract there, 205 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: and I thought he's gonna throw me. Somebody's gonna throw 206 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: me out, you know. He said, you with the yellow pants, 207 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: I had yellow pants. That was you. And I turned 208 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: around and it was that man. You should be nameless. 209 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: I know his name. It's somebody forever. Yeah. He said, 210 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: are you going up to so and so's room, you know, 211 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: for the class? I said, yes, I am. He said, 212 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: we're going to test you. The same man that told 213 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: me I wasn't pretty enough, I didn't have big tits. 214 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: You know what blows me away about that story is 215 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: not that he said big tits. 216 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: It's that he showed you a picture of his daughter. Yeah. 217 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: Well that just there's no way I can't wrap my 218 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: head around that. Yeah yeah, yeah, well wow and look 219 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: at you. So now he's ready to test you. Yeah, 220 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: just the same person. It's uh interesting. 221 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you were so young and so fresh 222 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: to the biz, the Hollywood biz. 223 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean that must have been pretty devastating. It must 225 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: have gotten in your head. 226 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: Oh it did. I went back to my aunt uncle's 227 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: home and then I cried. Yeah, and then I thought, 228 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: not everyone looks alike. You need different characters for every play. 229 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: What is going on here? I don't care. I'll be 230 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: a character actress. I don't care if I'm not pretty enough. 231 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is just crazy that. I've heard 232 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: some stories, but I think that one tops it. 233 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: Summer is this season of love. Sum are loveing. Here 234 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: we come. If you're old enough to remember Summer Loven, 235 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: you're old enough to find and I do Part two. 236 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: Listen each week as our hosts make it their goal 237 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: to find you the next true love of your life. 238 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: Jenny Garth, Jana Kramer, Alexia Napola, Cheryl Burke, Jen Fessler, 239 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: Kelly Ben Simone, Amy Robot, and TJ. Holmes are dedicated 240 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: to helping you fall in love again. It's time to 241 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: make it hot, hot hot this summer. 242 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: Listen to I do part two on the iHeartRadio app, 243 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, So, 244 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: how did you choose to hold onto your identity when 245 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: in the face of that story and when everybody was 246 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: trying to define you by your looks. 247 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I noticed it, you know. I began 248 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: to get small roles, and then the real breakthrough for 249 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: me was the Laguna Theater. I did a play there 250 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: with John Drury. I don't know if you remember John Drury. 251 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: He was very popular and it's a two person play. 252 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: So if they came to see John, they came to 253 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: see me. And by the way, I found out about 254 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: it through the Hollywood Studio Club because several of the 255 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: girls said, you know, John's looking for someone to do 256 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: this with him, and nobody wants. No one wanted to 257 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: do a play. Well, you know, I was raised on 258 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: them and that was equity, and so I said, I'll 259 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: do it, I'll do it. And because I did that, 260 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 2: they found me a twentieth century Fox. Because I was shocked. 261 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: I was so surprised. I got really good reviews, which 262 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: is lovely. I don't think I've had any of that 263 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: good sense. But yeah, they brought me in and tested 264 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: me and put me under contract, under contract, And I've 265 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: always said it was my finishing school, you know, for acting. 266 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: It was taught me the camera taught me lights things 267 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: i'd never think about. How old were you? Oh god, 268 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: I don't remember now. Were you in your teen twenty? No? No, no, 269 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: I was but young form my age, very wet behind 270 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: my ears. You know, we all start there, we all 271 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: start there. What are some of the hard. 272 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: Lessons that you have faced when you look back and 273 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: you were trying to find your way in Hollywood. 274 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you don't pay any attention to 275 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: anything anyone says, because you will get so much criticism, negativity, 276 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: or too much you know, a puff thing. So just 277 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: be true to yourself. Block all that out. You must 278 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 2: be true to your in life. You have to be 279 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: true to yourself. But when you're if you recognize the 280 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: fact that you're being judged, get rid of it. Leave 281 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: it in the wings. Don't be judged. How do you 282 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: do that? How do you leave it in the wings? 283 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. You just do you just do this? 284 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: Do it's gone, That's all right. But because I've had 285 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: too many experiences where they've been proven wrong. You know. 286 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: I love that you've proved them wrong all these years. 287 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: That's so good. Well, thank you. Yes, you are such 288 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: a knockout. Can I say that you're a babe? You're 289 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: a hottie? Hey, you think so? You are gorgeous. 290 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: But when Hollywood was new and shiny, like we talked about, 291 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: did you find it difficult in the face of what 292 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: that man told you? Did you find it difficult to 293 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: be taken seriously in the Hollywood world? 294 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: That No, The most difficult thing for me was getting 295 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: an SAG card. And because I would go on an 296 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: interview for small parts, you know things, and they'd asked 297 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: me if I belonged to the Union, I belonged to Actors' Equity, 298 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: not screen actors killed, you know, And I wouldn't say. 299 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell them that I did belong to actors Equity, 300 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: and they didn't tell me either. If you know the 301 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: union thing, because if you belong to equity, you automatically 302 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: could be an SAG At that time, I didn't know. 303 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: It took me a while before I had a part 304 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: in a film where they were willing to do all 305 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: the paperwork to get me my sag card. That was 306 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 2: the most difficult thing for me, dealing with the negativity 307 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: or the I didn't have a problem with that really. 308 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: I know people have talked a lot about the casting couch. Yeah, 309 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: but I didn't. You never had that problem? No, Oh, 310 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: I love that. Ever, did you know? 311 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: And I feel as if we are a very narrow 312 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: category of women that didn't have to deal with that. 313 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: I guess so I just never did unless they chose 314 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: to do that. I knew a lot of girls that 315 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: got jobs because of it, but they didn't get the 316 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: important work, you know, they didn't they get the one 317 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: line or the two lines or whatever. 318 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: It really sounds like you had your eye on the 319 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: prize and you were very focused about what you wanted 320 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: and like you said, just continue to be true to yourself. 321 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's all you're here for. Yeah. I mean, 322 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: we're all individuals and different individuals, and like I should 323 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: have told that man at Warner Brothers. You know, there 324 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: are a lot of different kinds of people and they 325 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: and they have to be in a movie or whatever 326 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: you're doing and play the part. Yeah, they were looking 327 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: for something very specific at that time. It sounds like 328 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: I had another time. This is after I did have 329 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: my SAH card and I finally had an agent. And 330 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: the reason I had an agent is because the studio club, 331 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: I heard about an actor who wanted who is being interviewed, 332 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: but he needed a girl to do a scene with him, 333 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: and none, none of the girls at the club wanted 334 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: to do it. And I said, okay, I'll do it. 335 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: You know, I do anything at that point, and because 336 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: I worked with him. As I was walking out, the 337 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: agent came over to me and said you're pretty good, 338 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: and I said thank you, and he said who's your agent. 339 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: I said I don't have one, and he said, oh 340 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: you do. Now that's how I got an agent. 341 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: Wow, And that's how it happens. Yeah, the right place, 342 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: at the right time. 343 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: That's true. And he at one time. Then I started 344 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: acting in small parts and things and there was an 345 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: interview at CBS and they wanted a blonde, sexy blonde 346 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. So I had one dress that was sexy, 347 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: one dreading the spaghetti straps and he said wear the 348 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: dress on the interview. I said okay. So I went 349 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: to CBS. By then I could drive. I didn't drive 350 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: a car. I did it and it was cold, and 351 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: I had a white fluffy coat, and I went up 352 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: and got up into the room. Oh well, outside it 353 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: was cold. Inside it was colder. CBS went in and 354 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: had an interview with the director. Told him, you know 355 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: what i'd done where I'd studied, blah blah blah. You know. 356 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: He said, thank you very much. I went back and oh, 357 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: I didn't take the coat off. You kept the coat off. 358 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: I kept. 359 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: I will tell you. Yeah, I was cold. And when 360 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: I got back to the studio club, my agent called 361 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: and said what happened. I said, well, I didn't get it. 362 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: I know I didn't get it. He said, they told 363 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: me you didn't get it. Tell me what you did. 364 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I think part of the reason 365 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: maybe I didn't take my coat off. So but in 366 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks they this was the Johnny Carson Show. 367 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: He was not the nighttime show. He had a daytime thing. 368 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: And he said, Barbara, they want to see you again. 369 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: Take off your coat. Oh boy, So I said, okay, 370 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: I did. I was freezing cold, and lake can be cold, 371 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 2: you know. I took the coat off in my car 372 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: and walked in had the interview with the same director. 373 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, and I know again I could tell, you 374 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: can tell, you can tell. And I was walking down 375 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: the hallway and there were some men at the water 376 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: stand and as I walked by, they made lesser remarks, 377 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, kept walking, and then one of them detached 378 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: himself and took my arm. Said you don't mine, do you? 379 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: And I said, no, I don't mind. What's to mind. 380 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: You know, we're here in a hallway and I'm going 381 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: to the elevator, that's okay. And we were talking back 382 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: and forth, joking, and I got into the elevator and 383 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: he stopped it and he said, were you in saying 384 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: seeing the director? I can't remember the director's name at 385 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: this time, I said. He said, did you get the job? 386 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: I said I don't think so, and he said like that, 387 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: and that's how I got started in the elevator. Well 388 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: that's how really I did fourteen or fifteen of those shows, 389 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: I think mainly because I was used to live audiences, 390 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: you know, and I've done a lot of theater. But yeah, 391 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: and he apologized to me, the director, he said, I'm 392 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. He said, I fell into that habit 393 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: that directors are casting people do, of thinking that they're 394 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: not actors, but they can't be something else other than 395 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: what they are. I wanted a dumb blonde who could 396 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 2: sing off key. You studied at conservatory. You were extremely intelligent. 397 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: Little did he know at the level, but you could. 398 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: But he said, I just realize you were an actor. 399 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 2: You could act and do those things be stupid. 400 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the best story ever. 401 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting? 402 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and if you hadn't been open to that 403 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: gentleman in the hallway, I wouldn't have had the job. 404 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: And weren't you know, so easy going and delightful to 405 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: just on a human level, you wouldn't have gotten it. 406 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. Who was this guy at the water cooler? You 407 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: know something? Later years he was one of the producers 408 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: on he was the producer. Okay, but he was one 409 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: of my films. I've forgotten his name. I'm sorry. That's okay, 410 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: so long ago. Well that he was the producer, that's enough. Yeah, 411 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: I love that story. Oh my gosh. 412 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: I think as women, there's that line between being admired 413 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: and being respected. I feel like I'm gonna I know 414 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: what you're going to say to this. We're often misunderstood, 415 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: such as that story did you find yourself having to 416 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: push back to prove yourself in that regard that you 417 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: deserved respect. No, no, I just expected it. No, I 418 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: don't think there was ever. 419 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: There might have been in said Francisco when I was 420 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: very young, when I was a teenager, but not not 421 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: in Hollywood at I didn't have that. I think I 422 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: was very lucky. You might have had an angel on 423 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: my shoulder, but maybe you had a genie or perhaps 424 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't accept it. I don't know. I 425 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: didn't pay a lot of attention to what a lot 426 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: of people were talking about. I'd been to that guy 427 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: at Warner Brothers, and I had CBS, so I just 428 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: didn't allow that negativity to come near me. I think 429 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: that's I think that's what it is. You're making me think. Now, 430 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: hold on home, me give you some time just because 431 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: you think you're my daughter. 432 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: Why is that though, Because this business can breed insecurity, 433 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: and as a I definitely battled with a lot of 434 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: things regarding that. But you sound like you came in 435 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: with a true knowledge of who you were and what 436 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: you were worth. Do you think that was instilled in 437 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: you by your family, by your mom, by your dad? 438 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, definitely, And I was raised more by women. 439 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: My dad was there, but my grandmother was there. My aunt, 440 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: the one who lived in San Marino, would always come 441 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: through San Francisco, and my mother, my mother's sister. Oh definitely. Yeah. 442 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: But I think we all have insecurities. We all have 443 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: a little spot in our psyche that oh my god, George, 444 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: look all right? Am I doing this all right? 445 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: And absolutely that little voice, yeah, yeah, it's always there. 446 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: What advice would you give women today who are feeling 447 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: box in by expectations or stereotypes. Are you talking about 448 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: actors or just generally speaking. 449 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: I think just women, just as a woman. Yeah, well, 450 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: I would say get out of the box. You know, 451 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: you can't let other people affect you or it just 452 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: can't be done, you can't do it. I don't know 453 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: what else to say. First of all, I think you 454 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: have to do your job well. Whether it's a wife 455 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: or a mother, or an actor or a scientist, a teacher, 456 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: whatever you're doing, do it well or be interested enough 457 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: to do it, and then you'll feel good about yourself 458 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: and also recognize that we're all connected. I believe this. 459 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: I think all humans on earth are all connected by one. 460 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to get into religions and things, but 461 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: I do feel that it is we're all a manifestation 462 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: of a greater power. And realize that when you're working. 463 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: For instance, since I'm an actor, that's my job, but 464 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: when you're working with someone who might be a little different, 465 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: I think you have to just keep recognizing what connects 466 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: the two of you. Just know it, and when you 467 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: know it, it makes it so much better, makes everything 468 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: work out well. Then you feel better about yourself. 469 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: And when you feel good about yourself, you're unstoppable. 470 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're productive. You're productive. Yes, this year, you're not 471 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: in the box. You're not in the box because there 472 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: is no box, there is none. That's great. No, don't 473 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: recognize it. 474 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: You're so strong, Barbara sometime. Okay, let's go to nineteen sixty. 475 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: Okay, you're ready. That was a very good year for you. 476 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: By the way. 477 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: You were working all the time, all the time in 478 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. I mean you were doing two, three four 479 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: films a year, pretty much every year. But I noticed 480 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty you had a lot of credits. You 481 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: were doing a movie opposite Elvis Presley, Yes's Flaming Star yeah, 482 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: so good. 483 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: What was it like working with someone on that global 484 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: level of stardom? It was just like working with any 485 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: other actor. And he was lovely, just the sweetest, really wonderful. 486 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: You know. When I would come on the set, he'd 487 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: run and get me a chair. Actors don't do that. Well, 488 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: no they don't. It's a gentleman. No, they're all we're 489 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: all working in our little thing. But he was. He 490 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: was a gentleman. Was his Mama brought him up right, 491 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: and he was fun to talk to. We would talk 492 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: for a long time when the lights are being set up, 493 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: because you know, it takes wow. And he told me 494 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: about his mother. And then he asked me because at 495 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: the time I was married to Michael and Sarah, who 496 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: was very well known at that time. I don't think 497 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: anyone knows him now, but at that time he was. 498 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: And Elvis was a huge fan of Mike's and he 499 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: asked me, how how can you be married and still 500 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: be in the light like you are? And what I 501 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: told you, it's a job. The two of us work. 502 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: He works, I work, but but it's not you know, 503 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 2: it's not. It's just like any other job. It's like 504 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: going to the office for us really, so nothing gets 505 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: in the way. And he said, well, he said, you know, 506 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: I've met somebody I really like a lot, but I 507 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: don't know how I can bring her into this. Well, 508 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 2: what is this? This is nothing. This is how we work, 509 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: This is how we make our living. And I said, no, 510 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, I told her this. Actually, are we talking 511 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: about Priscilla. Priscilla, Yes, lovely, lovely woman, just a sweetheart. Yeah, 512 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: and I I said, just know that it's your work, 513 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: of course, you know, I think his work was a 514 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: little different than with the camera that you know, I've 515 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: done my stint in Las Vegas, and yeah, it's a 516 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: different that is a different world. But in my ignorance, 517 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: I said, it's just a job. Yeah. I mean, when 518 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: you look at that career and the pain that Elvis 519 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: seemed to go through because of his personal life, do 520 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: you ever think that there can be just too much 521 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 2: fame for one person. No, I don't think it's the fame, 522 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: I really don't. I think it's being a steer in 523 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: the wrong direction by people around you. You know, as 524 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: I said, true to yourself. 525 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 3: He was. 526 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: It broke my heart to hear about him, And actually 527 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 2: I followed him on it because as I was doing Genie, 528 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: I was also working in Vegas singing. I don't know 529 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: if you knew that at the same time. Yeah, wow, 530 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: well in between, you know. In fact, I think I 531 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: did a movie a year, and then I'd do three 532 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: weeks in Vegas doing my act. And I was in 533 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: Reno and singing there and I got a cold, like 534 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: kind of I have right now, and they took me 535 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: to a doctor in Reno and gave me a shot. 536 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but they did, and 537 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: it cleared up the congestion and everything. It was a miracle. 538 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: And the man who took me to the doctor said, 539 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: I don't want you to ever see this doctor again. 540 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: And I said why, he just don't do it. He 541 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: said he's Elvis's doctor, and he said he travels with him. 542 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: But he said, I have seen Elvis's bottom, you know, 543 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 2: And he said it's like a pincushion. So it's very destructive. 544 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 2: He loved to sing, he loved to perform, but I 545 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: think I think the people around him expected too much 546 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: out of him, too much, and he was willing to 547 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: do it because he loved it so much. Beautiful, beautiful 548 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: human being. It's just so sad. 549 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, Barbara, I have so many more things 550 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about. 551 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: I just can't stop. I think we're going to have 552 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 2: to make this a two 553 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: Parter, so everybody keep an eye out for the second 554 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: part of this incredible conversation with Barbara Eden.