1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in his Verdicus Center. Teed Cruz ben Ferguson with you. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: It's nice to have you with us wherever you're listening 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: around the country, and we've got a pack show for you, 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: including one of your best friends, Senator Jimmy Kimmel. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: Get in the boot. 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys gonna have a lot more 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: time to play basketball now? 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: Look, Jimmy Kimmel has been canned. He has been suspended indefinitely. 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: I think that is a fantastic thing. I think Jimmy 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: Kimmel was putting out garbage for a long long time. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: But we're going to break down because they're real questions 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 3: about why ABC suspended Jimmy Kimmel and what the role 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: was of the SCC. The SCC threatened to revoke ABC's licenses. 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: We're going to break down the First Amendment implications of that. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about a hearing that happened 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: this week. Cash Betel, the director of the FBI, testified 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I questioned Cash, and 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: I called on the Trump administration to designate Antifa as 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: a terrorist or it is, yeah, And in particular, what 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: I urge the FBI, and the DOJ to do is 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: follow the money, follow those who are putting money behind 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: violent protests, riots, acts of violence. And we're also going 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: to talk about how the fact that within twenty four 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: hours the Trump administration announced they were doing exactly that, 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: they were going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: It's the right thing to do. It makes America safer. 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: We're going to explain all that to you. 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a lot to discuss, and we're going 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: to talk about all of it coming up in a moment. 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: If you've got a dog, I gotta tell you, and 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: you love your dog, your dog's getting older. I've got 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: a twelve and a half year old dog. 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Jimmy Kimmel went after our 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: dear friend who was assassinated after him and basically implied 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: that he's responsible for his own assassination. And oh, by 79 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: the way, he was a Trump supporter referring to the assassin. 80 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: That is why he got in trouble because he lied. 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: It's not because of free speech, which some people have complicated. 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: In a free speech issue, he can say whatever the 83 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: hell he wants. It doesn't mean you're gonna keep your job. 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: Well, let's break this down to several things. Number one, 85 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel had become profoundly unfunny. That there was a time, 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: I don't't know, fifteen years ago, that he was a 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 3: talented comedian. He could be funny, you know. He started 88 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: hosting The Man Show with Adam Carolla, and they were 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: pretty funny back then, and that's how he got a 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: late night gig. I've been on Jimmy Kimmel. I've done 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: his show, I've done a show a couple of times. 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: He can be funny. But then Donald Trump got elected. 93 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 3: And when Donald Trump got elected, it broke late night comedy. 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: The host of late night comedy, they used to be 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: able to make fun on both sides. And by the way, 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: good comedy it ought to make fun of Republicans and Democrats. 97 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: It ought to just just laugh and have fun. But 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel, just like Stephen Colbert, his brain melted when 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: Donald Trump came into the White House, and it is 100 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: now unwatchable. I've grown up. I've grown up watching S 101 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: and L I've grown up watching late night comedy. I 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: like to laugh, and it is now I don't watch 103 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: it anymore. In fact, and I'm not unique. The vast 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: majority of America doesn't watch it anymore because Jimmy Kimmel 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: would stand up and just basically scream I hate Donald Trump. 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: And after a while it's like, yeah, we know, there's 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: no mystery about it. You're not hiding it. But how 108 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: about being a comedian, how about telling a joke? By 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: the way. You know, when I was first selected to 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: the Senate thirteen years ago, it was a regular part 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: of the job to go on late night comedy. And 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: so I've done Jay Leno, I've done Jimmy Kimmel, I've 113 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: done Stephen Colbert, I've done Fallaned. That was part of 114 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: the job. Today, none of them zero have any Republicans on. 115 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: They will not have them on. They just their entire 116 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: show is essentially an infomercial screaming that they hate Donald Trump. 117 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: On top of that, Kimmel's numbers had plummeted. So here 118 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: are some of the stats. According to Late Nighter in August, 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel lost eleven percent of his audience, down to 120 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: one point one zero four million viewers. To put that 121 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: in perspective, Jimmy Kimmel was getting fewer viewers than we 122 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 3: have Verdict listeners. 123 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: So this podcast Congratulations by the way, that's like the 124 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: real deal right there. 125 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: Like he's on AB see in every television in America, 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: and Verdict was kicking his ass. Now now, by the way, 127 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: we will continue kicking his ass, and I want to 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: keep continue growing those numbers. But one point one zero 129 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: four million viewers. And by the way, in the eighteen 130 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: to forty nine demographic, which is the critical demographic for 131 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: selling stuff that advertiss care about, Kimmel was down fifteen percent. 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: Do you know how many viewers eighteen to forty ninety had. 133 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to guess under four hundred thousand. 134 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty nine thousand. Wow. 135 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: So with it's sixteen a report, I think it was 136 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar year salary. 137 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: By the way, for him, Yeah, he was getting paid 138 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: a crap ton of money. And to give that in perspective, Colbert, 139 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: who was fired, was losing paramount forty million dollars a year. 140 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 141 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: ABC has not made their numbers public, so we don't 142 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 3: know what the numbers were. But Kimmel had lost even 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: more viewers than Colbert, So you have to assume he 144 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: was losing ABC even more money than Colbert was doing. 145 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: So he was a train wreck. He was a disaster. 146 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: He was unfunny, and he was also bitter and nasty, 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: and he lied about Charlie Kirk. 148 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: All right, Sanata, I want to go back to what 149 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: you were saying a moment ago. And one of the 150 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: interesting things about Kimmel that I do want to break 151 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: down is so many on the left screaming this is 152 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: cancel culture. It is not cancel culture. He said something dumb. 153 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: I also think though, that ABC News was looking for 154 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: a reason to get out for what you just described, 155 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: which is you don't have anybody watching the revenues down. 156 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: The guy's making sixteen million dollars a year, and so 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: this was a perfect opportunity to say, hey, we can 158 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: get out of this with reason. 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Here. 160 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Page six is even saying they even asked him if 161 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: you gave some money and made a donation and apologized, 162 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: and apparently he was saying, I won't do it. That's 163 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: what they're reporting tonight as well, is that they're saying, hey, 164 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, no, I'm not going to apologize 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the Kirk family. So it gave them even an easier 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: ability to get rid of him and can this thing. 167 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: Early look, unquestionably, ABC was hemorrhaging money. This was a 168 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: smart business decision, but also what Jimmy Kimmel said was 169 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: reprehensible and I want you to listen to it. I 170 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: want you to if you're watching online, I want you 171 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: to watch. This is the monologue that got Jimmy Kimmel fired. 172 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: Give a listen. 173 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the 174 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: Magga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered 175 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and 176 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: do everything they can to score political points from and 177 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: in between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, 178 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: the White House flew the flags at half staff, which 179 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: got some criticism, but on a human level, you can 180 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 4: see how hard the president is taking this back. 181 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 5: Adult's got a latting your friend, Charlie Kirk asked sir personally, 182 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: how are you holding up over. 183 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: The last day and a half served, I think very good. 184 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks. 185 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: They just started construction of the new ball room for 186 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: the White House. 187 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: Which is something they've been trying to get. 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: As you know, for about one hundred and fifty years, 189 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: and it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the. 190 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: Fourth stage of grief construction. 191 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: Demolition construction. 192 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: This is not how an adult grief's the murder of 193 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 4: somebody called a friend. 194 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish. 195 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, so people understand context. There the 196 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: reporting out of the White House, and you have talked 197 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: to you have said that the present was gutted over 198 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It was pretty clear he 199 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: did not want to talk about it right then, and 200 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: as he was outside. 201 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: It's not like reporters are a therapists. 202 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean it was obvious he didn't want 203 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: to go there at that moment, and so he. 204 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: And let me say, Ben, the thing to understand about 205 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel what he just said there, there's a technical 206 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: term for that. It's called a lie. So he stood 207 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: up and said, the murderer of Charlie Kirk was a 208 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 3: Maga Republican. 209 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: YEP. 210 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: That is flat out false. That is a brazen lie. 211 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: And we talked about this our last podcast. If you 212 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: didn't listen to our last podcast, you should go back 213 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: and listen to it. I went on CNN with Caitlin 214 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: Collins and she fought me like crazy. We don't know 215 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: what the motive of this guy is. This murderer, this 216 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: assassin was a left wing radical. He was an Antifa activist. 217 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: He was a transgender activist. He was living with a 218 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: transgender man transitioning to be a woman. That transgender man 219 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: was his boyfriend. He wrote on the bullets Antifa and 220 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: transgender slogans. He hated Charlie Kirk. He admitted all of this. 221 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: It is unequivocal. This is a hardcore leftist and I 222 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 3: got to say it is amazing. The vast majority of 223 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 3: Democrats today believe Charlie Kirk's murderer was a maga Republican 224 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 3: because the media is corrupt and they are lying. When 225 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: I was on CNN with Caitlyn Collins, she refused to 226 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: acknowledge that because CNN is lying to their viewers, MSNBC 227 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: is lying to their viewers. And Jimmy Kimmel stood up 228 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: with his measley one point one million viewers and lied 229 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: to them. They said this murderer was a maga Republican. Now, ABC, 230 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: theoretically ABC News is a news organization. They should not 231 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: be in the business of lying to Americans, and Jimmy 232 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: Kimmel shamelessly lied to them because he has a political agenda. 233 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Truth be damned, and I think it's top to bottom. 234 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: So people understand this, And I'll give you example. The 235 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: view on ABC is actually, I'm pretty sure if I 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: remember correctly, under the news division, Kimmel is under like 237 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: that in general, I think entertainment, but under their news. 238 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: If you want to know how much is he entertained? Yeah, 239 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: right exactly. 240 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: But if you want to know how much propaganda machine 241 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: ABC News is, this is just example. It's a small example, 242 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: but it's a powerful one. In twenty twenty five, the 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: viewers had one hundred and two liberal guests on and 244 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: not one single Republican guest. 245 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: But by the way, to be clear, Ben, I've been 246 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: on the View multiple times, so I've written to date 247 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: four books. For my second book, they had me on. 248 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 3: For my third book, they had me on now, particularly 249 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: for the third book. We got into it. It was 250 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: a hell of a scrape. Whoopy Goldberg and the other 251 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: cackling hosts of the View insist. 252 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: The nicest way it's ever been put. 253 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: By the way, did I refrained myself. Look, i gotta 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 3: say I'm on good behavior because I went through like 255 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: nine different nouns, and I just went with hosts. 256 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: I like it well done. 257 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: But but Whoopy insisted, She said, violence is only a 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: right wing phenomenon. I said, well, what about the Antifa 259 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 3: and the Black Lives Matter riots all over the country 260 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: that burned cities across America. And she looked at me 261 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 3: befuddled and said, I don't know what a Antifa Black 262 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: Lives Matter riot is. You think about the millions of 263 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: housewives that watch that show, that are lied to every 264 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: single day. It went so badly for them that my 265 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: fourth book, Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, 266 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: available on Amazon, by the way, when when it came out, 267 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: I reached out and said, hey, I'd like to go 268 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: in the view again, and they said no, thank you, 269 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: like like you picked her now, we cannot have. We 270 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: are in the business of lying to our viewers, and 271 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: when you come on, you make it really hard to 272 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: lie to our viewers because you actually bring up facts 273 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: and substance and and and we're just not good enough 274 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: to lie in the face of facts and substance. So 275 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: that's who they are. 276 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: That's who they are. 277 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Kaylen Collins in your interview just 278 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: just if you miss did it's up on social media. 279 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: I actually think that you should do more of these 280 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: because the number of viral clips. So now that came 281 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: out of you going on with caateon Collins and people 282 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: seeing your grand debate with her, which is an important one, 283 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: and calling her out for saying we don't know the 284 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: motive in the death of the assassination of Charlie Kirk 285 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: is one that now has just exploded. And afterwards, I'm like, 286 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: you know what, it may be worth it for you 287 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: to do this like every week because then you get 288 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: to call them out every week and they are held 289 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: accountable because otherwise they just go on TV and they 290 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: just lie. 291 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: Well, understand, Jimmy Kimmel was fired because number one, he's 292 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: not funny. Number two, he was losing ABC massive amounts 293 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: of money, and number three, he flat out lied an 294 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: incredibly important issue, which is who the murder of Charlie 295 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: Kirk was. 296 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: But first I want to talk to you about something 297 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: that probably nine nine point nine percent of you have. 298 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: It is a cell phone. 299 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: You may not realize it, but if you're with Big Mobile, 300 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: you're giving big donations by default to liberal causes and organizations. 301 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about organizations that are actually fighting for abortions 302 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: to take place at record numbers. 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I don't like people tipping the 345 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: scales and pushing too hard, and let me explain why, 346 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: because if we do it, they're gonna do it when 347 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: they get back in power. And we know the ebbs 348 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: and flows of politics. This is something I don't like it. 349 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone getting censored. I do not want 350 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: it because it will happen to conservatives. Yes, and it 351 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: will happen ten times harder than what we're talking about 352 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: right now. And that's just my hot take on it. 353 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: But I think it's an important when this is literally 354 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: what I do for a living, I don't want one 355 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: cutting me down and what I do for a living 356 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: or free speech. 357 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I have not talked about this before 358 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: doing the podcast, but I'm not surprised that we're on 359 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: the same page. I want to play because a lot 360 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: of the media is very much focused on this, particularly 361 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: the left wing media. But Brendan Carr is the chairman 362 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: of the Federal Communications Commission. He did an interview with 363 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: Benny Johnson. Benny's a friend of ours. He's a great guy, 364 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: but he leaned in hard on Jimmy Kimmel, and he 365 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: threatened government retaliation for what Kimmel said. So I want 366 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: you to give a listen to this interview and then 367 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it. 368 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 6: I think this is an isolated incident. 369 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 5: I mean, you go back to Representative Swallwell, he had 370 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 5: a tweet out last week where he was saying that, 371 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 5: you know, emphasizing that Charlie Kirks killer was a straight 372 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 5: white male from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump. 373 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 6: In some quarters, there's a very concerted. 374 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 5: Effort to try to lie to the American people about 375 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 5: the nature, as you indicate it, one of the most 376 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: significant newsworthy public interest acts that. 377 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 6: We've seen in a long time. 378 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 5: In what appears to be an action, appears to be 379 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 5: an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into that narrative 380 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 5: that this was somehow a maga or Republican motivated person. 381 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: If that's what happened here with his conduct, that is 382 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 5: really really sick. And I've been very clear from the 383 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 5: moment that I have become chairman of the FCC, I 384 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 5: want to reinvigorate the public interest and what people don't 385 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 5: understand is that the broadcasters, and you've gotten this right, 386 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: are entirely different than people that use other forms of communication. 387 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 5: They have a license granted by us at the FCC, 388 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 5: and that comes with it an obligation to operate in 389 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 5: the public interest. And we can get into some ways 390 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 5: that we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest and 391 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 5: some changes that we've seen. But frankly, when you see 392 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 5: stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this 393 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: the easy way or the hard way. 394 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 6: These companies can. 395 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 5: Find ways to change conduct, to take action frankly on 396 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 5: Kimmel or you know there's gonna be additional work for 397 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 5: the FCC ahead. 398 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 7: What kind of action would you see? At the very least, 399 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 7: would like to have an on air apology from Jimmy Kimmel, 400 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 7: to the Kirk family, to all of those who he 401 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 7: slandered because he did say that Charlie Kirk. He is 402 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 7: effectively saying that our movement did this, our movement killed Charlie, 403 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 7: that Charlie was deserving of this effectively, and we've seen 404 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 7: that rear its head. This happens quite regularly actually on 405 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 7: MSNBC and on other networks where they're trying to victim blame. 406 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 7: And what that does, mister Chairman, respectfully, is continues the 407 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 7: lie and continues the threat level to say effectively that 408 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 7: we have no share in this problem at all. On 409 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 7: the left. This is a clear cut case. What would 410 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 7: you like to see done at ABC? 411 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: Well, look, I think what you said there strikes me 412 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 5: as a very reasonable minimal step that can be taken. 413 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, look, there's calls for kim will be fired. 414 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 5: I think you know, you could certainly see a path 415 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 5: forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the 416 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at. 417 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 6: And again you know we may ultimately be called to 418 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 6: be a judge on that. 419 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. Look, look, I like Brendan Carr. 420 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: He's a good guy. He's the chairman of the FCC. 421 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: I work closely with him. But what he said there 422 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 3: is dangerous as hell uh on. 423 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: For people that are listening, because this is going to 424 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: be quote controversial. So I want to make sure we 425 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: explain it clearly. When you say no and it's dangerous, 426 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: explain and run this out the slippery slope that this 427 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: can open, so that people understand why we're saying it. 428 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: So the Federal Communication Commission is in charge of granting 429 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 3: broadcast licenses, So ABC, NBCCBS they have licenses from the FCC. 430 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 3: It is true that understatute they're required to be in 431 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: the public interest. What he is saying is Jimmy Kimmel 432 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: was lying. That's true. He was lying, and he is 433 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 3: lying to the American people. Is not in the public interest. 434 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: And so he threatens explicitly, We're gonna cancel ABC's license. 435 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: We're gonna take him off the air, so ABC cannot 436 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: broadcast anymore. And I gotta say, he threatens it. He says, 437 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: we can do this the easy way, Oh, we can 438 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: do this the hard way. 439 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 440 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 3: And I got to say, that's right out of Good Fellows. 441 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: That that that that that's right out of a mafioso 442 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: coming into a bar going nice bye, you have here. 443 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: It'd be a shame of something happened to it. And 444 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: I got to say, look, I understand, Jimmy Kimmel has 445 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: mocked me so many times I cannot count. The corporate media. 446 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: They are dishonest, they are liars. I hate what Jimmy 447 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: Kimmel said. I am thrilled that he was fired but 448 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: let me tell you, if the government gets in the 449 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: business of saying say what you the media have said, 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: We're going to ban you from the airwaves if you 451 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: don't say what we like. That will end up bad 452 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: for conservatives. It reminds me of you and I are 453 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: both fans of the Lord of the Rings Jarr R. Tolkien. 454 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: It reminds me of like the Ring of Power, and 455 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: it is so attractive. It's sort of like conservatives saying, wait, wait, 456 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: if we have government, we have power, we can ban 457 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: the media. Let me tell you what will happen going 458 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: down this road. There will come a time when a 459 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 3: Democrat wins again, wins the White House. 460 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: They will get rid of every Democrats see me speak 461 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: it's a conservative. They'll get rid of every podcast so 462 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: get rid of it. 463 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: They will silence us. They will use this power and 464 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 3: they will use it ruthlessly, and that is dangerous. And 465 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 3: by the way, in the Biden administration, they tried to 466 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: go after and revoke Fox license because they didn't like 467 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: and they say everything they say on Fox's hate speech. 468 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 3: I'm sure they say everything you and I say it's 469 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: hate speech, is misinformation. They've defined anything counter to the 470 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 3: leftist narrative as misinformation. Now, we just talked about Jimmy 471 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 3: Kimmel was lying. But you know what, it's interesting Brendan said, well, gosh, 472 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: they slandered They slandered Charlie Kirk and his family. You 473 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 3: know what, if they slandered him, there's already a remedy. 474 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 3: There's a remedy of defamation. ABC could be sued and 475 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: by the way, you get a defamation lawsuit, you could 476 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: pay millions of dollars. Let that process play out. I 477 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: think it is unbelievably dangerous for government to put itself 478 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: in the position of saying, we're going to decide what 479 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: speech we like and what we don't, and we're gonna 480 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: threaten to take you off air if we don't like 481 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: what you're saying. And it might feel good right now 482 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: to threaten Jimmy Kimmel, Yeah, but when it is used 483 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: to silence every conservative in America, we will regret it. 484 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 3: And so again, I like Brendan Carr, but we should 485 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: not be in this business. We should denounce it. It's fine 486 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: to say what Jimmy Kimmel said was deplorable, it was disgraceful, 487 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: and he should be off air. But we shouldn't be 488 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: threatening government power to force him off air. That's a 489 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 3: real mistake. 490 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: Senator. 491 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: I want to get to something else that happened earlier 492 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: this week, and that was the questioning of the FBI Director, 493 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: Cash Battel. You had the opportunity to talk with Cash 494 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: on a number of different issues. Obviously one of them 495 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: that was in front of mine was the assassination of 496 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: our friend Charlie kirk Well. 497 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely so this week Cash Battel, the Director of the FBI, 498 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I 499 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: took the opportunity to question on a number of topics, 500 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: but front and center to urge Cash Battel to follow 501 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: the money, and in particular to go after Antifa and 502 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Here's the exchange 503 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: Cash that I had. Give a listen. I want to 504 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 3: encourage you, in the course of this investigation. Absolutely go 505 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 3: after anyone who ate it and abedded, but I want 506 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: to more broadly encourage you follow the money. The violence 507 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: we are seeing is not purely organic. There is I believe, 508 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: significant money that is spreading dissension, that is spreading violence. Antifa. 509 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: Do you believe Antifa is a terrorist organization. 510 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 8: I believe Antifa is associated with a lot of violence 511 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 8: in this country. As to its designation, I'll leave that 512 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 8: to the appropriate authorities. 513 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: So I would encourage the administration to designate Antifa as 514 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: a terrorist organization to go systematically after Antifa. They committed 515 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: acts of violence all over the country, and the shell 516 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: casings have multiple references to slogans that Antifa has popularized. 517 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: I believe there is considerable money funding it. I would 518 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 3: note that I've introduced legislation called the Stop Funders Act. 519 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: Stop Funders Act would add rioting to the list of 520 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 3: predicate offenses under RICO. I believe the money should be 521 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: fuck should be tracked and prosecuted under RICO. And both 522 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots of a couple 523 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 3: of years ago and the pro open border riots in 524 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: Los Angeles and other cities of this past year, I 525 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: believe there was significant money behind those riots. I'm not 526 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: the only person who noticed at the anti Semitic protest 527 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: and violent protests on college campuses that many of the 528 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: tents all matched, and so I would ask, would it 529 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: aid your ability to prosecute these matters? If Congress passed 530 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: into law the Stop Funders Act, and if rioting was 531 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: added to the list of predicate offenses for Rico. Yes, 532 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: talk to me about the efforts of the FBI to 533 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: go after the funders of the anti Semitic protests on 534 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: college campuses, the pro open border protests in cities, and 535 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: potential LGBT violence. Talk to me about the efforts to 536 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: go after the money of those who are funding and 537 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: promoting violence. 538 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 8: As I've always said, Senator, money doesn't lie, and we've 539 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 8: been following the money. And so that's what we're doing, 540 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 8: issuing lawful process to organizations involved with criminal activity because 541 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 8: the money's got to come from somewhere and it has 542 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 8: to be funded somehow. So we have extensive investigations ongoing 543 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 8: into numerous organizations that are related to violent criminal activity. 544 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 3: Cutting off the money will make America much safer, and 545 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 3: that is the core job of the FBI. And I 546 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: thank you for doing your job. 547 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: Now you look at what you just said there in 548 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: the back and forth, Cenator, and this turned very quickly 549 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: into a new policy from the Trump administration as well. 550 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: That is the best news coming out of this. 551 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 552 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 5: So. 553 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: This testimony was on Tuesday, The very next day, President 554 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: Trump announced he was doing what I was calling for, 555 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: which is designating Antifa as a terrorist organization. I'm going 556 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: to read to you from Fox News. President Donald Trump 557 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: on Wednesday announced he will designate Antifa, a left wing 558 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: activist group, a major terrorist organization. Trump described the group 559 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: as quote a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster in a 560 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: truth social announcement, The president added that he will be 561 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be thoroughly investigated incordance 562 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: with the highest legal standards and practices. The announcement comes 563 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: just days after Trump said he would one hundred percent 564 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: consider the designation. Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office Monday, 565 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 3: Trump accused Antiva participants of being quote professional agitators in 566 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 3: response to the administration's recent crackdown on illegal immigration. Quote 567 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 3: Antifa is terrible, the President said, these aren't protests. These 568 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: are crimes that they're doing. They're throwing bricks at cars 569 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: of the Ice and Border Patrol. They're professional agitators. They 570 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: should be put in jail. What they're doing in this 571 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 3: country is really subversive. And I will say this goes 572 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: right to the heart of a distinction that I've tried 573 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: to lay it out layout repeatedly, which is free speech 574 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: is protected. You can say things that are vile, that 575 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: are hateful, that are horrible, that we hate, and the 576 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: First Amendment protects it. Conduct is not protected when you 577 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: engage in violence, it is not protected. What Antifa is doing, 578 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: engaging in violence, engaging in harassment, engaging in threats. That 579 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: is not protected. And so what I urge cash betel, 580 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: follow the money, go after the money. And look, I 581 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: believe there's money that is coming from foreign nations. There's 582 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 3: money that's coming from Cutter, there's money that's coming from Iran, 583 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: there may be money coming from communist China. And there's 584 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: also money coming from the gazillionaire left wing funders of 585 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: the Democrat Party, people like George Soros at his entire organization, 586 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: that are funding these radical organizations. And it's one thing 587 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: to go and prosecute the individual criminals. We should do that, sure, 588 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: but if you want to solve the problem, it's why 589 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: I've introduced the legislation, the Stop Funders Act, because RICO 590 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: is an incredibly powerful tool to prosecute not just an 591 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: individual defendant, but a criminal organization, and criminal organizations are 592 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: usually structured with a hub and spokes, and so following 593 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: the money is how you get the people writing checks 594 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: that are sitting in their Manhattan penthouses funding the anti American, 595 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: anti Israel, communist jihadist agitators that are destroying this country. 596 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 3: And so I got to say I was really encouraged. 597 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: I've been pressing in the first Trump administration. I pressed 598 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 3: for years for the first Trump administration to designate Antifa 599 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: as a terrorist organization. There was a lot of openness 600 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: to that argument, but it never succeeded. They never did 601 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: it this time. When I pressed on Tuesday, the next day, 602 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: the President came out and said, We're going to do that. 603 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: That's exactly the right thing to do. 604 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is big, it's going to be really important. 605 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: It's going to have a huge impact going forward. That 606 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: may be the best part of all. And of course, 607 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: you know you're doing something right when the left is 608 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: leasing their mind. They're saying, oh, this is the president 609 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: trying to silence political organizations. I'm sorry, they're not a 610 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: political organization terrorist organization. There's a big difference between a 611 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: political organization and a terrorist organization, and Antifa has all 612 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: the markings. 613 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: As you described to. 614 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: Have a terrorist organization going all the way back to 615 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when your first we're calling for this. 616 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: If you engage in violence, it is not speech. 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