1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom who had just landed a fantastic job, 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: a mother of two little girls and expecting her third child, 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: a baby boy. Her loving husband sees the sonogram and says, 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: I love this baby already. She's dead. The two children 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: are dead. The two little girls are dead. The unborn baby, 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: of course is dead. Why I mean, see, Grace, this 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: want you to hear the husband as he begs for help. 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: I just want them back. I just I just want 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: them to come back. And if if they're not safe 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: right now, and that's what's that's what's telling me apart, 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: because if they are safe, they're come back. If they're 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: this this this has got to stop. Like somebody has 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: to come forward. Somebody come forward. The husband begging for 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: help at that point, trying to find his wife. She's gorgeous, 17 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: million dollar smile, long brunette hair. Shannon Watts. I'm looking 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: at a photo of her right now with her two daughters, 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Celeste just three years old, Bella just four. They have 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: just been located. Their remains have been located. That is 21 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: straight out to Ellen colorin joining us with crime online 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: dot Com. Ellen, I want to start at the beginning, 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job. 24 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: I want to start with that. Shannon was having a 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: lot of success selling weight loss patches through multi level 26 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: marketing company. Did sight loss packets or weight loss patches? 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: I believe it's patches, Yeah, because I'm looking at a 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: picture her of her EKA and she's got um, she's 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: sporting a patch. It's like she's kind of almost showing 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: it off or really not trying not. You know when 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: people have those nicotine patches, they'll put them under their 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: sleeve or something. This is a little funny patch she has, 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: like just underneath her collar bone. And when I first 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: thought him, like what is that? Then I figured out 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: that must be one of those weight loss patches. It 36 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: was wildly successful. Ek. She was traveling all over the 37 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: world really uh pushing it. But but that's about all 38 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: I know about is you start at the beginning. Okay, 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, she was. She would have been having a 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: lot of success. Um. And part of what a multi 41 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: level marketing job is recruiting more salespeople. So she was 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: posting on Facebook all the time showing how well she 43 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: was doing. She was getting a car, allowances, she's got 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: a Lexis, she's going on um work, funter vacations all 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: the time. She's working really hard, but she's also having 46 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: the time of her life. Um. And juxtaposed this with 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: what we later learned that the family had been having 48 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: financial trouble and they had filed for bankruptcy and two 49 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: thousand five, and Chris had reportedly told some neighbors pretty 50 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: recently that they were thinking about selling the whole. Oh. Now, 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: here's a mom who has been devoting her entire life 52 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella. And 53 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: then they hit hard times and the dad is no deadbeat. Um, 54 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: he's been working too. So they fall on hard times 55 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and they have to get out from under staggering debt 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: by following bankruptcy. She manages to land a job at 57 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: about eighty thousand dollars a year, but part of that 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: job is having to travel away from her children, which 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: she hated she would leave for work. And I believe 60 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty 61 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: thou dollar job, she had a lot of trips to 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Mexico and Dominican Republic. Her work often took her away 63 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: from home, and that leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: home with the two little girls. During this time, she 65 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: gets pregnant and they are looking forward to the birth 66 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: of the first boy in the family. Also with me 67 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: renowned pathologists and medical examiner Dr. Michelle Duprie and forensics 68 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jackson University and 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet to you, Ellen, Killorin 70 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: have you ever noticed realtors, Okay, realtors always have beautiful cars. 71 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm convinced they're all least by the way, beautiful cars, 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: beautiful close, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's part of 73 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen, if 74 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna go look at an apartment or look at 75 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: a house, you don't want to get in a car 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: are doesn't crank up. It's alritting and disgusting inside, you know, Ellen, 77 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: You know I drive a beat up minivan. Is pretty beat, 78 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: is pretty messed up on the inside. You know. Lucy 79 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: and John David they always want hot chocolate at the 80 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: drive through, and I get it, you know, that's made 81 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: of melk Ellen. So when they spilled the whole thing 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: on the carpet after about two or three days, after 83 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: about a day is pretty rank, right. So so I'm 84 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: not judging people on their cars, but it's a facade 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: that they need to present. This Mom got this job 86 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: and had to present this facade exactly. It's part of 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: the job to make it. It's part of the presentation, 88 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: to make the whole experience seemed like something that you 89 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: want to participate in. Her job isn't just selling the 90 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: weight loss patches, it's also selling other people taking the 91 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of job that she has. She's recruiting as well, 92 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: So she has to project projecting image that makes us 93 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: look very, very entasing. I'm taking a look right now. 94 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: I know it's one of her posts, says um quote. 95 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: Did you know Lavelle gives an eight hundred dollar a 96 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: month car bonus for hitting only the second rank in 97 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: the company. How amazing is that she just wrote that 98 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: in the last month. Hey, you know what, I think 99 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do it? Eight hundred dollars a month 100 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: for a car bonus? Could I get rid of my 101 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: stinky minivan? Ellen? So I think you could, so I 102 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: want to get back to the mom missing. So she 103 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: starts this job, and even amidst the new job where 104 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: she's really having to work and travel out of town 105 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: away from her two kids, she they still are considering 106 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: selling the house. Ellen, Yeah, that a neighbor told a 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: reporter that just this week that that Chris has kind 108 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: of off handedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house. 109 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: So it's really hard to say what their financial situation 110 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: was like. It seems like obviously there had been some 111 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: trouble in the past, but after they filed for bankers 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: is when Shaddan got this job, and also Chris had 113 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: been working at the petroleum company. So they're both working, 114 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: but it's her. They've got two children, they've got another 115 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: on the way. That's a lot of financial pressure. It's 116 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: hard to know how easily they really were making because, 117 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: like you said, a big part of Shunan's job was 118 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: making the job look really, really attractive to other people. 119 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: All we know is that, well, what was his job? 120 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Hold on, what was his job Christopher Watts's job? You 121 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there since 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: at least two thousands fifteen. It's not clear exactly what 123 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: his job was. I want to get back to her 124 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: going missing, Ellen, When did that happen? Give me the 125 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: timeline she had just got back to her. He had 126 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: another work trip on early in the Monday morning hours. 127 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I want to clear something up. I 128 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: want to clear something up with me. Dr Michelle Duprie, 129 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist Dr Judith Joseph. 130 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you have to travel 131 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: for work, Dr Michelle Duprie, but it sounds so glamorous. 132 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: It is not glamorous, like this woman went to New Orleans, 133 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: Toronto to kind of Dominican Republic Puertro Valerita Vega, San Diego. 134 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: When you travel for work, Dr Michelle Duprey, it is 135 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: not glamorous. I typically get off of a plane, I 136 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: go straight to the work site, dragging my beat up 137 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: suitcase behind me, and I get there. I work. I 138 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: work late because I want to hurry and work as 139 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: late as I can so I can get back earlier. 140 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: End up spending the night in a hotel, grab something 141 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: on the way, and then I get up as quickly 142 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: as I can. Sometimes at three or four in the morning, 143 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: to get to the airport to get back home. That's 144 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: not glamorous. Dr Michelle Dupree're exactly right, Ancy, it is not. 145 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: It's very hiring and you are worn out by the 146 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: time you can hurt. So tell me this. She gets 147 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: back Ellen from one of these trips, and what happens. 148 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: She gets back to the late early in the hours 149 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: of Monday morning, he goes to work at five am. 150 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: Apparently they stay up together for three or four hours 151 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: talking and he had been at the It was an 152 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: emotional conversation. So that's gonna be a really big question 153 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: in this case. What was going on in that quote 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: unquote emotional conversation because she wasn't seen again after that. Well, 155 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, when one partner travels a lot. To Dr 156 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Jude Judith Joseph renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's 157 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: very hard. As a matter of fact, Dr Judith Um, 158 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: when my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday 159 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: night and get back if I if I was lucky 160 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: on Friday night. Our entire relationship. When we had the twins, 161 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I said, listen, son's got to give. I cannot work 162 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: and be on call for crime related stories. And you 163 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: be gone. It's just it's well, you know what, he 164 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: started his own business so he could name his own hours. 165 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: But Dr Judith, not everybody is that fortunate to be 166 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: able to just go run out start your own business. 167 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: And it's hard when one that's very stressful on a 168 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: family with two taughts and another all the way for 169 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: one parent to be gone all the time. I guess 170 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: they did have an emotional conversation. I agree with you, Nancy. Uh. 171 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: You know, traveling is hard on anyone, to even people 172 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: who don't have children, stuff us on depression, anxiety, sweep 173 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: disorders related to extensive traveling. And so then when you 174 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: put that stress into the mix with two young children, 175 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: a husband who's staring the brunt of things, and you know, 176 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: traditionally in our society, some parts of this country is 177 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: still very very traditional. It's not common for the mother 178 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: leaves a home, and so there's a lot there probably 179 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: were a lot of feelings there, and you know, sometimes 180 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: people becomes a community about about this, and so I'm 181 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: not sure what was happening with this band in particular. However, 182 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Travel is stressful and when one parent 183 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: has to stay behind, one partner has to be behind. 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes the imagination goes wild, and their accusations of jealousy, 185 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: of infidelity in and we don't know what was happening 186 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: in this family. 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She was still here and like 222 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed 223 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: up at the door, Like I had texted a two 224 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: times that day, called her say, you know, but she 225 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: never got back to me. But she wasn't get back 226 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: to any of her people as well, and that's what 227 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: really concerned a lot of people's like she's not getting 228 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: back to her, but like she doesn't get back to me, 229 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: that's fine, Like she gets based during the day, like 230 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: she get back through people, which was very concerning. And 231 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: Nicole called me when she was at the door, and 232 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: that's when I came home and then walked in the 233 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: house and nothing, It's vanished. Nothing was here. I mean, 234 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, nobody 235 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: was here. We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. 236 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: We want justice. Shannon goes missing along with her two children, 237 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste little Taughts. And to top it all off, 238 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: Shannon is pregnant. I recall covering a case and I 239 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: learned a startling statistics. I believe it was from the 240 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: New England Journal of Medicine that the number one cause 241 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide. 242 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: The number one cause of death it's not heart failure, 243 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: it's not stroke. It's not anything you may imagine. It 244 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: is homicide. Very disturbing, joining me Dr Michelle Dupre, Joseph s. 245 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Gott Morgan, Dr Judith Joseph, and Ellen Colauren. So Ellen, 246 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: she he goes missing. We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, 247 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: begging for help to try to find her. I'm thinking this, 248 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: so it's not like she would run away with another 249 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: man and bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste 250 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: with her. Also, she came home that night, she got 251 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: home from out of town. She has this discussion, probably 252 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: related to the out of town trip she had to take, 253 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: and then the husband leaves for work at five am. 254 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: She's alive and well then, so how does she turn 255 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: up dead? And where? Ellen? Mm hmmm. I have a 256 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of questions about that segment of the interview that 257 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: we just heard. I'm curious why that friend went to 258 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the home in the first place. Why would she just 259 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: go over there. I'm wondering if maybe there was a 260 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: sense among a friend some of her friends that Shannon 261 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Shannon was in distress, and as far as I know, 262 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: there were not any accusations of infidelity on her part, 263 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: but apparently she did venture to a friend. At one 264 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: point she was wondering if maybe her husband was being unfaithful. Well, 265 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: according to and yes, yes, uh Mark Garrigos, my colleague, 266 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: defense attorney for Michael Jackson Scott Peterson. When on a ride, right, 267 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: he'll tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make 268 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: and he's absolutely right. But I can tell you this, 269 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: when you have a happy family and a happy marriage, 270 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the 271 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: wife over a cliff. I know that much. I also 272 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: know this problems allegedly servicing just in the past two 273 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: months because a coworker of Shannon's mom said they may 274 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: have been headed for divorce. Right when they're turning the corner. 275 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Dr Judith Joseph, New York Psychiatrists joining us. Uh. They yes, 276 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: they went bankrupt in two thousand fifteen, but they recently 277 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: had enjoyed these lavish trip ups. And alexis automobile thanks 278 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: to her new job. It took her out a town 279 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot, and then problems making in to surface at 280 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: home and looks like they're turning the corner on all 281 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith m Well, yeah, 282 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I think that that's statistics. The statistics that you mentioned 283 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: about pregnant woman and homicide being anyone called it death 284 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: is so significant and people don't realize this, that that 285 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: partners people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experienced 286 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: postpartent depression and stress. And it's not the same cause 287 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: it's not hormonal. Uh, it's there's a lot of transitions 288 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: that people have to face when they're having multiple children, 289 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: and you add the stress of finances, you add nartal 290 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: pressure and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging 291 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: in in adultery, and and then people explode and and 292 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't know the family empathic. I haven't treated any 293 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: of them. However, it sounds like they're they were trying 294 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: to create this facade disappearance that things were okay, and 295 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: clearly things were not okay. Well, another thing, Joe, as 296 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: Jude to Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is 297 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: married with the family will have children, to take care of, jobs, 298 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: financial pressures. Uh. And she certainly was never accused of 299 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: having uh sex relationship with anybody else. So why does 300 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: she go missing and what does all of that have 301 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: to do with her body being discovered, and I can 302 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: tell you this much to Joseph Scott, Morgan and Alan 303 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: Duke in l A Jackie Howard here in the studio, 304 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: Jackie's shaking her head. Yes to this, Alan, Joseph, I'll 305 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: though to you. Joe Scott, I'm sorry, but I just 306 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: don't think men do as well as good a job 307 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: as women do raising children. Because every time I have 308 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: to go out of town, I start getting emails from 309 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: the children's teachers. They don't have their gym clothes, this 310 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: and that. They didn't bring this, they didn't bring that. 311 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: I find out they go to school with nothing but 312 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: mini muffs in their stomach. You know where those come from, 313 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. They come off the shelf, out of a 314 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: plastic package. True, they're good, they're intimates. I didn't get 315 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: paid for that. Those little bitty chocolate chips, and those 316 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: are treats they have after dinner if they're awesome. That's 317 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: what John David might get if if I can drag 318 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: them off fortnight or as we call it, fortnight. Okay, anyway, 319 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: long story short, that's such a treat that's not breakfast. 320 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: And I find out I come home their toothbrushes are 321 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: bone dry. They have even put them in a different 322 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: places in the bathroom so I can tell if they 323 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: have been used one time since I have been gone. 324 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: The cats starving, crying, the dogs laid in the driveway starved, 325 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: the guinea pigs are beat beat, beep, and everybody starved. 326 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: The place as a wreck. No, just Scott, I'm sorry. 327 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: I just don't think men do as well a good 328 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: at his job as women. And here he is taking 329 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: care of these two children. Hey, I gotta I gotta 330 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: stand in proxy. Your wife is listening, just so you know. 331 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I gotta. I gotta stand in 332 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: proxy for your husband here. Uh, take it easy on us. 333 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: We bruise. Really, you know what he's saying. You know 334 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: what he's said when I confront him with two starving, 335 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: screaming guinea pigs. You know what he says about the children. 336 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: I say, why didn't the children have their gym clothes? 337 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: He goes, They're alive, They're alive, they got in school 338 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: and they're alive. I'm like, that's all you've got to say, 339 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and he goes, yes, And I go, you should have exercised. 340 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: You're right to remain silent. You should have just stayed 341 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: quiet on that. Okay. Anyway, My point is he's got 342 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: these two children. So Ellen, how does it go from 343 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: him taking care of the children and now she's dead 344 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: goes missing? Allen, Come on fast forward, Allen. We don't 345 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: know exactly what happened. Police aren't revealing anything about the 346 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: presumed causes of death. All we know is that this 347 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: is a husband who had financially struggled in the past. 348 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is 349 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: having a lot of success. They have another baby on 350 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: the way. He could have been under a lot of stress, 351 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: and he may have felt that his role had been 352 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: diminished in the family. Like and I'm asking you and 353 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: don't I'm not concerned about his male ego. Ellen, She's 354 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: dead and now let me just Q and A with 355 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: myself here. Isn't it true? Cops believe she was killed 356 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: in her home and then her body moved to Anna 357 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: Darko Oil and Gas Drilling properties. Who worked there? May 358 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: I ask you that, Allen, Who do we know work 359 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: at Anna Darko Oil and Gas Drilling? Name one person? Chris? What? 360 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Thank you? That's what I'm talking about. Dr Michelle Duprie 361 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: helped me out here pathologists, medical examiner, Doctor Dupree, You 362 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: know what you and I talk about. When somebody kills, 363 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: they very often will do it or dispose of the 364 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: body in a place that they are familiar. And I 365 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: always point to Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes 366 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: fishing in San Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, 367 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: He golfs and he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and 368 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: he cheats. It's like rents and repeat on the back 369 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: of your shampoo. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. 370 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: Where is lazy his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor 371 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: in San Francisco Bay because he's comfy there, he goes 372 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: and dumps the bodies there. Dr Michelle, you see it 373 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: over and over exactly, you really do. We love it 374 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: when they're dumb. Yeah. And here we've got in a 375 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: dark CoA oil and gas rilling, one of those properties 376 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: where the husband, Christopher Watts works. And when I come 377 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: and Joe Scott Morgan, I need expertise from you regarding 378 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: how they might know the mom and the two little 379 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: girls were murdered in their own home. This is crime 380 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Stories Tipline nine nine two crime nine nine two seven 381 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: four six three. I called her three, just texted her 382 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: about their times, just to say, you know, what's going on, 383 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: Like I didn't god that for that for the after 384 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: I called her and texted her once, It's like, right, 385 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: maybe she was just busy, like she had just gotten back, 386 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, like everybody's probably calling her from her trip. 387 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: She just got back from Arizona, and I figured just 388 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: she just busy. But when her friends showed up, that's 389 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: what it was like, it registered like, all right, this 390 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: isn't right right now. I don't even want to just 391 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: like throw anything out there, like I hope that she's 392 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: somewhere safe right now and with the kids. But I mean, 393 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: because she event because she's just taken off, I don't know. 394 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like 395 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: I want them back now like that that that's what 396 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: in my head, Like if they're safe right now, they're 397 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: going to come back. But if they're not safe right now, 398 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: that's what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're 399 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: not safe. Last night, I was had every light in 400 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: the house on. I was hoping that I would just 401 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: get just ran over by the kids running in the 402 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: door and just like barrel rushing me. But it didn't happen, 403 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: and it was just a traumatic night trying to be here. Okay, 404 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: there you're hearing the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for the 405 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: public's help. I gotta tell you something to forensics expert, 406 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author 407 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet. You know the title like that, 408 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: I just want to read it right now, Joe Scott Morgan. Anyway, 409 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how do they where do you believe they're 410 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: getting the evidence to support the theory that mommy and 411 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: the two little girls were killed in the home and 412 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: then their bodies moved to this obscure drilling location. Two 413 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: the things that we look for Nancy are going to be, 414 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: and this is generally blanket statements that you'll see in 415 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: a death investigation report, evidence of forced entry, struggle. And 416 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: also is there any evidence of of physical evidence that's 417 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: left behind relative of things like blood evidence. The police 418 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: are keeping a very tight little on this as far 419 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: as what they're releasing to this point, and I applauded 420 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: them for that. But if you were if I were 421 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: to speculate at this point, it would be something like 422 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: blood evidence and the point of origin of this How 423 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: how did we come to this point where blood would 424 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: be distributed, for instance in a house? Uh? Was there 425 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: was it evidence that that they were killed in one 426 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: spot and then the bodies? Perhaps just Scott Morgan, it 427 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: could be cybers hold on, hold on getting a call 428 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: from Atlanta. Uh, let's go straight out to the lines 429 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: crime ray in Atlanta. What's your tip question or theory? Hey, listen, Nancy, 430 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: you have got to stop immediately blaming the husband on 431 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: these things. Now. You look, we've debated this for years. 432 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: First of all, you need to be at work and 433 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: not listening to the radio number one. But but go ahead, 434 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: because you you get me and I'm aggravated and that's 435 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: why I'm I'm doing this. Now listen. One thing that 436 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: it does do, and I think you will agree with 437 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: this in your many years of experience, when the focus 438 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: is on whom almost everybody assumes, it harms law enforcement. 439 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Let me tell you why law enforcement in some of 440 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: these cases just wants to sit back and lift the 441 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: In some cases, the husband or the partner at the fool, 442 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: go to the funeral, make the statements try to cover 443 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: up evidence, and it just makes a better case for 444 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Additionally, for US criminal defense lawyers, if the 445 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: immediate and full focus is on this number one suspect, 446 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: it gives us some play in the defense, like, hey, enforcement, 447 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: you never even looked at the gardener or the guy 448 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: that you had an argument with last week, or this 449 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: guy that's been flirting with her online. You went right 450 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: to my client, no, no holds barred. So again, the 451 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: initial focus on someone who has presumed innocent until proven 452 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: guilty has some flaws in the prosecution of the case. 453 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, Ray, don't you need to be somewhere right now, 454 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: like in court or at your office, or with your 455 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: feet kicked up, smoking your cigar, cashing that fat paycheck 456 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: you get from that law firm. You know, Ray, it's 457 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: not just me claiming the husband did it? What? What 458 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: didn't you used to be a long time ago before 459 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: you went to the dark side. Didn't you used to 460 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: be a prosecutor? And do I have that wrong? But 461 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: then I saw the light. Then you saw the paycheck. 462 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: You saw the paycheck, rayed you to chay, That's what 463 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: happened with you. You're always laving that little pocket copy 464 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: of the Constitution around the differences I read it. Okay, 465 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: these folks are entitled to the presumption of innocence. Oh, now, 466 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: I know you're in trouble when you start dragging the 467 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: presumption of innocence out of the moth balls. Listen, I'm 468 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: not just blaming him because he's the husband. I'm blaming 469 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: him because he's the last one with her at t 470 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: a m. When she gets out of town, because she 471 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: has to go out of town to work and make 472 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: a living to support the family. She's got two little 473 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: babies at home too, little girl's Belt and Celeste, and 474 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: she's pregnant. This woman is not just gonna run out 475 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: to meet some other man. Plus, it's two o'clock in 476 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: the morning. He's there until five am when he goes 477 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: to work at some oil and a dark oil and 478 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: drilling company. And guess where her body has just been 479 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: found raised due to chay guess. And I've been following 480 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: the story, and so I agree with you. On a 481 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: property where the husband's business does drilling, it's certainly would 482 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: make him a person of interest. It would certainly make 483 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: him a person at law enforce. It wants to speak 484 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: with thoroughly do. His timeline may lead to it may, 485 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: but but that information. Listen, you remember Richard Jewel, the 486 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: alleged Olympics bomber cover of Time magazine as the the 487 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, the evil guy, wrong, wrong man. You had 488 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: to dig deep, didn't You had to go all the 489 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: way back to what was that the Olympics to find 490 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: an example of somebody that was charged. It was in 491 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: that's digging deep, right While I was, I was trying 492 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: to find something from your elementary school days that you 493 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: would remember back in back in school, and I believe 494 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: that was about the second grade when that happened. So 495 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: bottom line, what's your advice? And the large jet So 496 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: you're arguing against he's the last person with her. I 497 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: guess you want to drag out his last statement that 498 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: he made his public statement, I love the baby already 499 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: looking at the little baby boys sonogram. Now you know, Ray, 500 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: there's an unborn baby. There's Celeste Aella. Now you know 501 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: what if you if he was my client, he would 502 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: be duct tapes and in a closet in my law 503 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: office and not making these kind of statements. Look, I 504 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: agree with you. Uh, this is a guy that law 505 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: enforcement should absolutely focus on but build their case slowly 506 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: and steadily. You know, there there's a timeline, there's physical events, 507 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: and you know also nowadays there are so many cameras, uh, 508 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: so many ways to track vehicles. I mean, I just 509 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: was involved in a case where we're able to clear 510 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: my client through an alibi that he wasn't at the 511 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: scene of a crime from an A t M camera 512 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: on the other side of town where he actually was 513 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: using the A t M to withdraw some money, and 514 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: so we had a time stamp. We had video of 515 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: him putting in his card and getting his two at 516 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: the same time. It was alleged he was cross town 517 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: and if you know, Atlanta, getting cross towny and easy. 518 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: So there are so many ways to track this the murderer, 519 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: whoever it may be. I would bet you there's security 520 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: cameras around this oil refinery. Those are places nowadays that 521 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: are high security because of terrorist risks and other things. 522 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: Cell phones can be tracked to the cell towers. I 523 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: think I just saw something on the news the other 524 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: day that Google has a tracking system that they haven't 525 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: told us about that we all have in our phones. 526 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm so not concerned about Google tracking me. Uh, 527 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: they'll track me from one crime scene to the next, 528 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: to the elementary school, to the grocery store, to a 529 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: crime scene to the house. You know, blah blah blah, 530 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: track me go ahead. I'd be mad if you didn't. 531 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: You know what right you were talking about? How do 532 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: you want this guy duct tape and hidden under your 533 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: desk at your office? Will take a listen to this 534 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: perfect I got the lady from Arizona because like other 535 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: storms around the nation, so she's supposed to get home 536 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: like eleven. She got home at She came home from 537 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: the airport two am, and I left around five fifteen. 538 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: She was still here and like about twelve ten in 539 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up at the door. 540 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Like I had texted a few times that day, I 541 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: called her, say, you know, but she never got back 542 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: to me. But she doesn't get back to any of 543 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: her people as well. And that's what really concerned a 544 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: lot of people. It's like she's not getting back to 545 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: her but like she doesn't get back to me, that's fine, 546 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: Like she gets based during the day, but she get 547 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: back through people, which was very concerning. And Nicole called 548 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: me when she was at the door, and that's when 549 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: they came home and then walked in the house and 550 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: nothing has vanished. Nothing was here. I mean she wasn't 551 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, No nobody was here. 552 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: I just want them back. I just I just want 553 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: them to come. And if if they're not safe right now, 554 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: that's what's that's what's tearing me apart, because if they 555 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: are safe, they're come back. But if they're not, this 556 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: is this has got to stop, Like somebody has to 557 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: come forward. You are hearing the sound of husband and father, 558 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: thirty three year old Christopher Watts, begging for the return 559 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: of his wife, Shannon Is, two little children, Bella and Celeste, 560 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: and his unborn baby boy. And just before that, he 561 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: had posted loving messages to wife Shannon when she sends 562 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: him an ultrasound showing the progress of their third baby. 563 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Quote little peanut, exclamation, exclamation, love her slash him already, 564 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: he wrote in response to seeing that ultrasound image. Now 565 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: she the loving wife shares the exchange on Facebook the 566 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: very same day, quote I love Chris. He's the best 567 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: dad us girls could ask for. Right now that husband 568 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: Christopher Watts under suspicion and the disappearance and death of 569 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: his wife and two children. The police remaining tight lip 570 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: regarding the cause of death, but we are hearing from 571 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: police sources they do believe Shannon and the two baby 572 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: girls were murdered in the home. Their bodies disposed of 573 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: at an obscure drilling location with the oil company. The 574 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: dad worked with Anna Darko. Listen to this. At this point, 575 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: we have been able to recover a body that we're 576 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: quite certain is Shannan Wat's body. We have strong reason 577 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: to believe that we know where the bodies of the 578 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: children are and recovery efforts are in process on that 579 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: and in the last hours a stunning development in the 580 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: search and the discovery of those bodies. Take a listen 581 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: to the police Sergeant Ian Albert there in Frederick, Colorado, 582 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: to give you some background. The Frederic Police Department received 583 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: a missing person call it just be excuse me just 584 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: before two pm on Monday, Augusten. Our agency launched an investigation, 585 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: conducting interviews neighborhood canvases in an effort to locate Shenan 586 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: and the two girls, Bella and celest We also contacted 587 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: the FBI and the CBI to assist in this case, 588 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: in addition to providing investigative agents and crime scene responders. 589 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: Missing excuse me, A missing danger alert was announced on 590 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Frederic P. D conducted additional canvases were flyers 591 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: featuring Shenan, Celestie and Bella were distributed to Revy. Finally, 592 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband, Chris Watts, 593 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: was taken into custody and was transported to the well 594 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: Kenny Jail just after the PM last night. He is 595 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: currently scheduled for a volunteering later today. And there you 596 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: have it. The husband has just been for arrested. There 597 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: will be a bond hearing regarding this case. The wife 598 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: and the two little girls. Dad, I've got a theory, 599 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, and I'm gonna think about, uh what 600 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: you and Dr Michelle Dupre medical examiner I have to 601 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: say on this. He's alone with the girls for several 602 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: days while mommy's out of town working bringing in all 603 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: the money she comes home. Has he already killed the girls? 604 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: Because um, if you're having an argument with the mom, 605 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: why why killed the children too? How would we be 606 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: able to tell that from the crime scene Joseph Scott Morgan. 607 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: What what's going to happen, Nancy, is You're gonna couple 608 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: the findings at the crime scene relative to UH if 609 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: these if these children had been down for several days, 610 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: there might be evidence of the fact that, as hard 611 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: as it is to say, that these kids may have 612 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,959 Speaker 1: begun to decompose in the house at some point in time. 613 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,479 Speaker 1: And then you couple that, you couple that with any 614 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of what are referred to as postmortum changes that 615 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 1: have taken place in the bodies, and they find them 616 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: out at the scene at this Anta Darko UH refinery 617 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: or I think that it's probably natural gas wellheads. This 618 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: is a vast area that he would have knowledge of, Nancy, 619 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be very important to this case. UH. 620 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: And so this this is all going to tie back 621 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: together with what happened in that period of time when 622 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: she when these kids were last seen and when they 623 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: were found, coupled with the findings on her body, because 624 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: the two times the timelines are not going to be 625 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: the same, all right, Because if she comes home and 626 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: these kids are missing, an argument ensues, maybe he's already 627 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: gotten rid of the kids. Maybe he's already killed the kids. 628 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: At this point, her body, for lack of a better term, 629 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: will be fresher than these poor little angels. Dude. Dr 630 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: Michelle do Free pathologist and medical examiner. Specifically, how would 631 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: I be able to prove if Watts murdered the two 632 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: children first? And then the wife comes home from out 633 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: of town and he how would I be able to 634 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: prove that? Or could I? Yes? And we should be 635 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: able to prove that. And again, as what was just said, 636 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: we look at the state of the body and by 637 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: comparison we can tell um who died earlier than the 638 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: other by the postmortem changes. We also look at the 639 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: totality of circumstances, and we look at the crime scene itself. 640 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: There may be clues there. Um. We can look at 641 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: blood pooling, we can look at different forensic evidence um 642 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: to to help us determine those things. And then we 643 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: put it all together. But mostly the key is going 644 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: to be looking at both bodies and compare them. Christopher Once, 645 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: the husband, says the last time he saw his wife 646 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: was at five fift a m. When he leaves for work. 647 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: He also says the two stayed up late, having an 648 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: emotional conversation after she got home from out of town 649 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: at one a m. Late night, sounds like a red 650 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: eye flight back home. He says he got worried when 651 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: she did not reply to a text messages that morning, 652 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: and then he began to panic after a friend came 653 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: to the home around noontime and there was no answer. 654 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: Shannan was fifteen weeks pregnant, carrying a baby boy who 655 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: she planned to name Nico. At this hour, Christopher Watt's, 656 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: a husband, is being held without bill in the World 657 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: County Jail. He's due in court for a bond hearing. 658 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: No formal charges have been filed. He was arrested our 659 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: accounts of murder and three counts of tampering with evidence. 660 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: Ellen Colaura, an investigative journalist with Crime online dot Com. 661 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: I assume the three tampering cases deal with moving the bodies. 662 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: That would certainly be the implication. And I'm also seeing, 663 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 1: and this is really horrible, but I'm also seeing that 664 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: the bodies of the girls, presumably the two little girls, 665 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: were found inside an oil container or an oil fat 666 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,959 Speaker 1: and I've seen speculation that that could have been done 667 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: intentionally to conceal any smell. Oh Ellen Ellen, that's a 668 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: new fact for me. And you know, I was trying 669 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: to put together a photo album uh late last night 670 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: because I'm so so far behind, and then I got 671 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: to looking at photos, Ellen, and then I ended up 672 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: with the children at ages two and three. You know, 673 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,959 Speaker 1: that's a long time ago, and they're so tiny. They're 674 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: so tiny, And to think of those little children down 675 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: in oil vat. Is that what you said, some type 676 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: of a vat, Yeah, an oil container on oil that yeah, 677 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: but whatever he gets filled with oil. The CBI Colorado 678 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation saith Arties found the body of Shennan 679 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: Watts three days after she was reported missing on property 680 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: owned by Anna Darko Petroleum, where the husband worked. He 681 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: has since been released from his job. At the time 682 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: they found her body, I recall e K that they 683 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: mentioned something about having strong reason to believe they know 684 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: where the bodies of the two daughters, Bella and Celeste are. 685 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: They didn't find them in the same place as the mom. Ellen, 686 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: mm hmm. That's great, Um, And we don't know what 687 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: that means in terms of the timeline, but I think 688 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: that a couple that that coupled with the fact that 689 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: he reportedly gave a confession. That's less of them. How 690 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: they found the bodies, It seems to me that that's 691 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: that he led them. And interesting. She didn't show up 692 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: for a daughter's appointment, didn't answer her phone, and it 693 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: was a friend who called police after the friend finds 694 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: a cellphone, person keys in the home. Right now we 695 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: are waiting for justice to her fould. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, 696 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend.