WEBVTT - Brandel Chamblee 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.840 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:04.960 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.000 And when I find my ball in a frid Egg 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.160 Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday, Frida Frida Egg 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.360 Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.120 golf course. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.960 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.680 Frida Egg Podcast. Today, I'm joined by Kyle Nathan and 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.600 we'd like to welcome on Golf Channel personality former PGA 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.680 Tour winner and author of The Anatomy of Greatness, Brandal 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.400 Chamblie Brandle. How's it going today, I'm fabulous. Nice to 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.560 join you guys, Kyle Andy. I follow you guys on Twitter. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.480 I enjoy your work, So it's nice sit down and 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:06.640 talk a little golf with you guys. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:08.640 Absolutely, thanks for stopping by. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.800 Yeah, real pleasure. I'm sure you're happy to get out 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.640 of Chicago and come up here to the PGA Merchandise 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.360 Show this week. It's like the whole world of golf 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.520 is descended upon this spot. So it's a it's a 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.760 it's an entertaining and vibrant week. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.040 Yeah, it's there's an eclectic group of people out on 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:24.600 that floor. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.040 Yes, there is everybody from last year when I went. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:32.320 You know, you run into every sort of entrepreneur you 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.320 you could you could imagine, you know, and they'd all 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.280 have some gadget that they'd spent ten years on, and 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.080 you know, you try it and you're like, yeah, there's 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.160 absolutely validity to this. You know, you know a way 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:43.800 to go and you know, next thing, you know, ten 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.760 of a merchant house, and the next thing ten just like, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.400 oh my gosh, I wouldn't have time to try all 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.560 these things out. But it's there's so much energy there 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.279 and you realize that, you know, the world of golf, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.280 you know, there's so much invested in it, time, resources, money, passion, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.160 and everybody with any sort of pass is here this week. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.800 It's there's two places where the world of golf really congregates, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.680 maybe three here this week, PGA Merchandise Show, Augusta and 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.919 the Open Championship. Seems like everybody in the world goes 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.840 to those three events. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.520 I think something that is often overlooked with golf, and 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.440 it is shown here through all like these gadgets, is 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.440 that golf's unlike any other sport where you have an 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.840 inverse relationship between like PGA Tour fans. So you figure 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.280 there's probably like three million, four million people that regularly 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.240 watch the PGA Tour, but twenty five million golfers. But 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.760 if you look at the NBA, you have hundreds of 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.160 millions of fans and there's probably only about a million 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.560 people that actually play basketball regularly. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.519 Yeah, that's a good point. You know, same thing is 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.639 probably true with football. I mean, who plays football once 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.240 you get out of high school? And yet you know 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.680 it's you know, as they said in the movie, that 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 they've got a day of the week. You know, golf 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.360 is different. You know, to play it is is wonderful 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.880 because you get to get outdoors and you get to 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.000 know people, even your own family, in a way you 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.880 don't befoor. But to watch it on TV, well it's 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.360 it's not loud, nobody's running into each other, it's not violent. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.840 You know, when I've fallen asleep more times than you know, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.280 watching golf telecast is what I do not anymore because 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.720 I have to pay attention to it and to talk 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.920 specifically about it. But you go home, you put the 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.440 golf on, you'd fall asleep somewhere in the front nine. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.760 You'd wake up when they're on fourteen or fifteen, you 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.520 go get a play to nachos, and you come back 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:23.840 and watch the end of it. It was like, what was 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.000 better than that? You know, you can't fall asleep to 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:26.800 a football game. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.720 That's something I always say. It's one of my favorite 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.480 things is how you can just fall asleep on the 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.040 couch and wake back up and you're. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.800 Like, are they're still make three birdies? Exactly? But now 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.160 now I can go back and see how they made it. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.360 Before I go, I have no idea. I've been asleep 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:43.840 for an hour and a half. How the hell that 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.920 guy make three birdies in a row? Now you know, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.960 I have shot link on my computer, So I go back. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.440 I'm like, oh god, he did, so where is that shot? 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.240 I got to see it? Then of course you can 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.240 go to Twitter and find it because somebody will post it. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.200 Yeah. So to kick things off, we had a big 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.480 week on professional golf with three big name Euros winning 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.960 and would love to if the Ryder Cup was played today, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.560 who would you pick to win? 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.960 Well, it was played today in Paris, I'd probably pick Europe. Ye. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.400 I was driving around the other day and you know, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.760 something came on the radio about the US was going 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.880 to dominate, and look, I mean, they've got an unprecedented 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.320 number of young players. But you start to think about Europe, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.599 John Rahm and Tommy Fleetwood and Roy mackerel and Sergio Garcia, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:40.560 John Peters, mean Rose, justin Rose. It looks like Paul 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.480 Casey's going to play on that, you know, I mean, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.520 nobody would be surprised if Paul Casey made the team. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.279 And I mean those are just off the top of 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.120 our head, you know. If you start to go down 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.320 a little further, like, oh gosh, she's the hell of 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.559 a player, and you think they're going to be in Paris, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.280 they haven't won there since. They have won on four 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.520 and solo of the US since nineteen ninety three. So 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.240 I'd pick Europe, you know, I would, you know, I 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.960 you know, I don't think it's a borgone conclusion that 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.360 the competition is over. I don't even know where those 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.159 thoughts come from. I think they're preposterous. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.600 I tend to agree with you. I would think I 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.119 give him the choice. Personally, I would take Europe today, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.120 and you know, one of their leaders is obviously going 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.719 to be John Rahm, who Andy has been a personal 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.680 fan favorite of for about a year now. How long 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.279 until we start talking about John Rahm as the best 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.040 player in the world. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:33.279 Well, it's it's coming. You know, I can't imagine that 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.400 he's going to topple Dustin Johnson off at the top 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.400 spot for a while. But John Rom's in his early twenties. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.760 Dustin Johnson is sneaking up to his mid thirties, so 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.960 you know, he has a sort of a shelf life there. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.640 His skills will start to deteriorate soon. You know, within 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.440 a year or two, he'll he'll lose a little something 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.600 off his fastball, and you know, it's just happens. And 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.279 John ram is, you know, he's got another decade in 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.160 his prime and he's got everything. You know, he really does. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.200 He's got everything. He's got the sort of savoy fair 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:11.760 he's got the the arrogance which is so important, and 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.520 the moment doesn't freeze him. You know, he didn't need 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.520 an apprenticeship in the game of golf, which is so rare. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.920 It seems like we're getting more and more of that though. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.960 You know, Jordan Speth didn't need an apprenticeship. Roy McRoy 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.640 didn't need an apprenticeship. Those are you know, that's three 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.360 in the last seven years that have just come out 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.279 of nowhere and immediately looked like they were world class players. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.280 You know, that's that's rare. Those players don't come along 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.680 very often. That's why we were blown away at Tiger 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.000 and Phil. So John Romill be the number one player 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.400 in the world at some point would surprise nobody. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.840 Andy and I talked about yesterday about the level of 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.279 consistency he's played with, which I mean he's in the 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.200 top ten fifteen literally every single week, and who the 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.640 last player to be as consistent as he has been, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.760 And the only name we really could come up with 0:06:58.800 --> 0:06:59.280 was Tiger. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.800 Well that's about right. Yeah, I mean if you look 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.920 at if you look at his ascendency to where he's 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.000 at in the world rankings. It's of course when you 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.080 start out, you don't have points falling off because you 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.760 haven't played any so you're just gaining them in the 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.480 world rankings. But yeah, you're right, I mean, not like Tiger, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.960 nobody like Tiger, but more like Tiger than Justin Thomas, 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.000 you know, I mean, even just Thomas was a heck 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.679 of a player, but nobody. You just don't see someone 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.920 come along like a John Rahm. Yeah, you know. I 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.120 always look at what intrigues me is where these players 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:36.000 come from and how they play. It's not so much 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.280 what they do, it's how they do it. And so 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.400 when I look at Saya John Rahm and you think, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.160 how did he get here? How did he arrive on 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:48.720 the on the scene with such it's not unprecedented. It's 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.680 precocious really, because you're just not supposed to do those things. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.560 We saw it come up with Tiger, but generally you're 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.080 just not supposed to do those things. There's been thirty 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.600 one players that have ascended to the number one spot 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.680 in the world. I am in the rankings, every one 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.240 of them. You'd look at them and you go wow. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.040 You know. I go back and I've read about every 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.200 one of those players, every single one of them. The 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.520 very first one was Richie Ramsey back in two thousand 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.600 and seven. And you go back and you read and there, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.320 can't miss, can't miss, He's number one of the world. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.240 Can't miss, no way he's going to miss. But of 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.920 those thirty one, there are only nine that have managed 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.800 to win PGA Tour events. Roy McRoy, Jordan Speth, Ricky Fowler, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:35.840 Danny Willett, Michael Thompson, Danny Lee, Hadeki Matsiyama, Patrick Cantley, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:41.840 and John Rumm. Now, of those nine, most of them, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.559 with the exception of Danny Willett, well, all of them, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.480 with the exception of Danny Willett, were either taught themselves 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.560 to play, or they learned to play with just some 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.520 local teacher around their area, and they never deviated from that. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.960 So and I'm not saying, and here's the fine point 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.960 of it, I'm not saying that the information that everybody 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.960 else is getting is bad at all. It's good information. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.120 I go back and I look at it, and I 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.840 read it. It's good information. But we're in an age 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.200 where there is so much information that it blows the 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.760 circuits of players. I was involved in the very very 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.960 same thing. I see it. I see a player, he 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.240 comes out, he's the best player in the world, and 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.760 he's got all this information, he got all this access. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.280 He changes coaches, he changes coaches, he changes coaches, he 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.280 changes coaches, and the next thing you know, they're nowhere 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.040 near the player that they were. So here's John Rohm. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.640 No one would teach that golf swing. No one just 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.640 came out of nowhere, and he doesn't play with the 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.760 sort of timidity that somebody does who's constantly looking at 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:53.000 a screen and feeling like he needs to change something. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.440 So there is you know that I pay attention to that. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.400 That matters to me because how do you get the 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.960 best out of an athlete? How do they play their best? 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.480 Is it with information or is it with freedom? More 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.199 times than not, it's with freedom. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.600 That's really interesting. It sounds like feel and I think 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.000 maybe the ability to adapt because you know your own 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.960 swing so well sounds so important. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.280 Well that's true, but you know, if you're think about it, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.320 it doesn't matter. You pick the player. We go look 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.400 at a video screen. With the exception of Adam Scott, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.240 you can find a fault in their golf swing very quickly. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.240 It doesn't matter wherever they're at. You'll find a fault 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.080 with their grip, their takeaway, some point in their backswing, 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.760 their transition. I can pick it apart, so can every 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.720 other teacher. Okay, we can pick it apart. We can 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:43.120 find fault with it. Now, if you're looking for perfection, swing, perfection, everything, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.560 perf we're gonna get perfect. There's this, there's this, there's this, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.040 and you sit there and you're like, well, you're not 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.000 quite there yet. You're not quite there yet. And every 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.480 time you look at that video, you're reminded of something 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:59.760 that's inadequate about your move. In time, that timidity grows, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.760 you lose your confidence and you're seeking, you know, perfection. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.960 If when you see perfection, you're literally seeking something that 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.120 does not exist. You're chasing something that doesn't exist. John 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.600 Ram is not chasing perfection. He's chasing wins. He's going 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.120 somewhere with his game. A lot of people are trying 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.200 to go somewhere with their golf swing. And that's the 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:20.720 fine point of it. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.600 So in your own golf game, I know you're, you know, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.600 about as knowledgeable about the swing as anybody. Did you 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.320 find yourself trying to perfect the swing too much? 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.400 I did? You know? I was a great player in college, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.800 one of the two or three best players in the country. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.480 You know, I was extraordinary. I could hit it far, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.720 I could hit it long, high, straight, curve it any direction. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.040 I was amazing. But when I, for whatever reason, when 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.520 I got out onto where, all of a sudden, you're 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:59.080 surrounded by people that have great knowledge of the golf swing, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.920 and and they're just there, They're around you constantly, and 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.040 inevitably you start talking to them, and then what they 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:10.040 say makes sense. You know, that makes sense, So you 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.240 try it, and then you try it and it doesn't work, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:13.679 or it does work, and then you try it and 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.160 the next thing, you know, the golf swing I played 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.840 on the tour with for a better part of fifteen 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.800 years looked nothing like the swing I had in college. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.040 You know, I didn't even I go back now. I 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.400 look at my swing in college, and I look at 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:27.760 the swing I was playing on the tour with them, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.360 like they're not even the same person. I'm I now 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.480 swing like I did in college, and I swing that 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.800 way only because I know now that that is the 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.480 way to swing a golf club. That all the things 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.160 that I was being taught were wrong. I mean, if 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.440 they were doctors, they should be sued from malpractice. They 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:54.079 were just wrong, out of their minds wrong. So I 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.560 I you know, I lived it. You know, I went 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.960 to many of the top one hundred teachers, there's many 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.240 of them, studied their ideas and then took them out 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:06.720 and tried to make them work. And I'm I was 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.520 an athlete. I could do anything. I could make anything work. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.600 And that's what I see. If you get out on tour, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.439 if you're good enough to get out on tour, you're extraordinary. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.640 You're an extraordinary athlete. You can do anything. You take 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.319 me to a fair, we walk away with all the 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.000 big toys, you know, and every tour players that way. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.920 They can throw balls, they can catch balls, they can 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.880 move any So I can make anything work, and so 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.960 can tour players. So you know, you're convinced through your 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.240 own athleticism and your ability to do things, that there 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.960 might be merit to whatever it is you're trying. You know, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.120 with me, it was rotate the face, keep the club 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.160 head outside your hands, resist with the turn, squat down 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.440 in the right leg, feel the tension in the right leg, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.040 you know, snap, drag the club on the way back, 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.320 and then quickly change direction. All these things. Next thing, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.120 you know, I'd go play with my buddies and they'd say, well, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.319 you're a change of direction is quick. Your backswing's not 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.240 as long. Slow it down, And You're like, well, yeah, yeah, 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.560 I guess it is because I'm not turning, because I'm 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.080 being told time and time again that I can hit 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.880 it further without a turn because I build tension, you 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.959 know that. And that's why I wrote and continue to 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:18.080 write about that topic, is because it still pervades in 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.080 the game of golf. It's still everywhere in the game 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.479 of golf. I watched TV and I just see players 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.920 restricting their turns, and I think it's just at some 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.920 point they'll figure it out in their lives. It's wrong, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:31.800 but the thought still pervades the game of golf. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.840 It's funny. I'm not really I don't think about my 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.600 golf swing that much. But since I started going to 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.080 an instructor like eight years ago. He's a young guy, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.000 he's a buddy of a buddy, and I go there. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.920 I see him like a couple times a year. But 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.360 we've got just a few things we work on. I 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.440 never look at my swing on video and I'm playing 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:53.560 the best golf of my life. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.080 Well that I mean that. That is a great teacher, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.680 you know, and they're don't get me wrong. There are 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.400 a lot of great teachers out there, a lot and 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.280 the genius of a great teachers that they can take 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.600 everything they know and boil it down to something very simple, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.520 like you go get a lesson. They're not trying to 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.360 show you how smart they are. They're just trying to 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.720 help you become a better golfer. And you know, it 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.480 can be as simple as you know, fill your hands 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.680 on your right shoulder going back and on your left 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.520 shoulder going to That could do it. You know, it's 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.520 just as simple as that. Anything. You know, they don't 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.160 they don't need to elaborate anymore. And then they certainly 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.240 don't need to put your golf swing on video. Hank 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.200 Haney told me the entire time he worked with Tiger Woods, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.560 I was had from two thousand and four to six 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.000 seven years, six years, he only put his golf swing 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.680 on the video. A handful of times they didn't. They 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.240 didn't use video as a general rule. They would just 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.560 talk about shots, you know, and and having a fluency 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.600 of what Hank calls the nine shots. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:56.240 It's uh, do you think that track man has you know, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.680 diminished the naturalness of golf? 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.840 Well, you know, track Man is is interesting. I have 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:08.520 it in the past, called it a toy, and you know, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.840 the more accurate word is a luxury. It was a luxury. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.040 I would say it came about. You know, it started 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.600 being pervasive on the PGA Tour in two thousand and six, 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.720 and it's gone from being a luxury to being a necessity, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.720 you know, like your computer and your cell phone in 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.880 a microwave and a TV. Initially they were luxuries, luxuries 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.840 and now they're necessities. And I get it. If you're 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.120 building equipment, there's a need for precision, the precision that 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.880 you get from track Man, and I get it from 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.320 a scientific standpoint of trying to understand exactly what's going on. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.080 That precision is needed. You need that, okay, and track 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.400 Man gives you that. But the disconnect starts to happen 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.960 when what is what a teacher needs it for precision 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:59.040 in understanding what's happening in the golf swing, but it's 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.440 not essential to a player. It has not been demonstrated 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.040 to me that it has improved play on the PGA 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.760 Tour if you go back and look in two thousand 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.800 and six, when track Man first arrived on the PGA 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:16.240 Tour twenty seventeen, so over a decade, players are more 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.119 inaccurate off of the tee. They hit it further away 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:25.399 from the hull. You know, scoring average has improved point 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.240 two percent of a shot, so two tents of a shot. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.080 But most of that improvement, almost all of it is 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.879 from their improvement on the greens. It's not from what 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:39.560 the agronomy exactly. You're breeding my mind and better strokes agronomy. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.160 But what they're doing tee to green is not better, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.880 it's worse. They are hitting it further, no question about that. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.280 And maybe that's due to the observation that launch angle, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.760 optimizing launch angle and spin rate, and the idea that 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.399 when you get on track man, people will talk about 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.399 maximizing your length. Say to maximize your link, you have 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.359 to hit up on it. Okay, that's in any video 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.040 you'll watch on track Man, they'll talk to They'll say, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.119 in order to maximize your link, you need to hit 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.840 on it. And I think that's important to amateur golfers, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.199 no question about it. You know most of them can 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.320 hit up on it and pick up ten twenty thirty 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:20.040 yards just like that. But in professional golf, you won't 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:25.479 hear anybody say to maximize accuracy, you need to hit 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.320 down on it slightly with your driver. Nobody will say that. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.320 They won't go there. But if one is true, shouldn't 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.200 the opposite hold true. So, and the reason they won't 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.080 is because there's no doubt on that they don't know. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.639 They don't know if hitting one degree down on or 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.760 two degrees down on it actually does make you hit 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.199 it straighter. But in my mind it does. So I 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.200 think across the board you have people trying to hit 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:50.960 it as far as they can by hitting it high 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.360 with little spin. So they're three yards longer over a decade, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.800 but they hit it more in the rough, a fair 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.159 amount rough, and they're further away from the hole, so 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.040 they're not It's not essential that a player use it 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.800 to get better because it hasn't made them better. Yeah, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.840 and we're talking we're not talking about one or two years. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.719 Here were over a decade. Four hundred professionals are carrying 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.240 track man's with them right now. Four hundred carried around 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.640 with them, and you know, it's not clear that it's 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:21.359 made them better. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.840 Matt Fitzpatrick was on the No Laying Up podcast last 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.040 week and he actually talked about how in the middle 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.840 of last year he was chasing, trying to really get 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.879 the most out of his distance, and the performance like 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.919 he had a string of bad, really bad performances and 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.560 he went back to, you know, hitting fairways. He realized 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.320 how important it was for him to hit faaraways. And 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.840 I think that's something that gets overlooked with guys that 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.280 aren't mega long, is it's so important for them to 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:56.480 hit fairaways because that's they get there's such a disadvantage 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.120 in the rough they missed the fairway. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.320 So true, and you know, a fine point there for 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.240 everybody is that when you get on track man inevitably 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.800 the video goes, well you could hit it further if 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.320 you hit it higher, Well, how do you hit it higher? 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.720 You can just move the ball up a little bit. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.080 But inevitably it goes with either leaning your hips towards 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.600 you know, moving your hips towards the target and changing 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.200 your acess tilt where your you know, your your upper 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.600 body leans backwards, or you change your release pattern. Either 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:31.679 way you're changing something for a few extra yards. And 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.520 if you don't have the power to hit it three ten, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:38.560 three twenty, it's very important. And Matthew Fitzpatrick doesn't need 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.959 you need to find fairways. Again, you don't hear I 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.000 don't hear many people and I go online and I 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.560 watch them all. I watch their lessons. All these teachers, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:49.960 I just click on their lessons and I watch them 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.960