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Speaker 2: Patreon Exclusive episode starts now what is up? Happy holidays

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Speaker 2: to all, Happy.

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Speaker 1: Holidays to all, and yeah, saying happy holidays is back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just decided it's radical. It's actually inclusive in a

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Speaker 1: new way. It's not really about like Christmas, Hanukkah, Quantza whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of more like you anyone can celebrate anything.

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Speaker 1: You can celebrate the big promotion. You can celebrate buying

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Speaker 1: a new pair of Lemaire pants, you can celebrate recording

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Speaker 1: your annual holiday episode of your gay podcast. Holiday can

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Speaker 1: look like anything.

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Speaker 2: There's something about holidays saying happy holiday that I like

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Speaker 2: where it feels very like defensive, like I'm like happy holidays,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm just like okay, like can't say anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: That is the right way. I do think that is

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Speaker 1: where the right wing reaction comes from, is that actually

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Speaker 1: the phrase happy holidays doesn't spark joy at all. And

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Speaker 1: it's not because I'm craving someone to say Mary Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I just want something a

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Speaker 1: little more lively than happy holidays. Like tappy holidays is

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Speaker 1: like it's so corporate, it's very hr, it's very well,

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Speaker 1: you're sorry, it's like it's what it's what the HR

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Speaker 1: person says to you before they fire you. Also, they're like,

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Speaker 1: happy holidays, but we do need to talk at three

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Speaker 2: I wish there could be like like I would almost

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Speaker 2: rather like we need to have more conflict in our lives.

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Speaker 2: We need to have like merry Christmas. And someone's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't celebrate that, And then I go, okay, what

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Speaker 2: do you do to Like I'm almost like craving, like

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Speaker 2: would it be so bad to be wrong for one

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Speaker 1: I know? Well, it goes back to like the evolving

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Speaker 1: if no one really is no one is really celebrating

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Speaker 1: the baby Jesus, then why not go wild with it?

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Speaker 1: Like let's like reinvent it completely? Like what then what

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Speaker 2: Well, literally, you should just be like happy winter, like.

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Speaker 1: Happy winter, because winter actually is inherently more festive than

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Speaker 1: the concept of holidays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all want snow. We want like Coco by

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is not quite it because I would hate

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Speaker 1: it if someone said this to me. But I'm almost like,

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Speaker 1: is the issue happy? Like is should you be saying

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to say that to me. But if, if,

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Speaker 1: like happy is so prescriptive. It's like, be happy, be happy?

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Speaker 1: What about have a wistful holiday?

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Speaker 2: You're really sparking something within me. I'm I think you're

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Speaker 2: Basically that's what I want people to say.

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. It's basically like you don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget this is the weekend of the year,

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Speaker 1: So it's basically just TGIF, but for a week.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, we need TGIF.

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Speaker 1: So we need thank God, it's the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Thank non religious God. It's the holidays.

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Speaker 1: It's the holidays. I also think we should bring back,

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Speaker 1: like the concept of saying peace on Earth during the holidays.

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing wish. But unfortunately saying it does like

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Speaker 1: That's like that gonna be a real bummer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you say, like, God, you're beautiful

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the classic. I think this is one of

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Speaker 1: I think this might it's either Jacqueline Novak or caper

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Speaker 2: Damn those girls are smart.

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Speaker 1: Oh smart alert mart joke alert. Who of the best

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Speaker 2: Are you in the holiday spirit? Georgia?

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Speaker 1: You know what I am? I have to say, I

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think I said Georgia. I was like, that's

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Speaker 1: not a sort of a fun joinist. I am actually,

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Speaker 1: I really am in the Hollywood spirit. And Hollywood's fall.

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Speaker 2: What a slip. He's the spirit, He's the Hollywood Spirit, folks.

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Speaker 1: You know what. I honestly, it's actually it really is

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Speaker 2: You said, you're the Hollywood spirit.

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Speaker 1: I am in this sit. I like I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: So I am honestly equally in the Hollywood spirit and

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Speaker 1: the Holiday spirit. But to answer your original question, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the holiday spirit. My tree looks absolutely amaz

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Speaker 1: a really beautiful way. It's very symmetrical. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: ornament shopping and get my twenty twenty five special ornament

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Speaker 1: that I that I can have to commemorate this year.

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Speaker 1: I get this. Probably hosting an intimate Christmas Day dinner.

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Speaker 1: Oh we're talking so fun us maybe two other couples.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've never been more jealous.

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Speaker 1: You better bet your ass. I'm gonna make LAMB. WHOA.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, damn.

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Speaker 1: Are you in the holiday or Hollywood spirit?

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Speaker 2: I'm in the Hollywood spirit. You could say, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: in the Holiday spirit. I'm like very I was thinking

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Speaker 1: Be clear mixed is more difficult than having a normal

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Speaker 2: Well, you're never done to me.

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Speaker 1: If you have a normal full time job, you're unemployed to.

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Speaker 2: Me, of course, Well they don't have to whatever. We

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Speaker 1: The idea of after work drinks, sweetheart, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling, yeah, I'm feeling like I keep wanting to

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Speaker 2: I keep being like, Okay, I'm done, Okay, I'm done. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm so far from being done with emails that I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with me this year. So

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Speaker 1: many things have to happen, like truly within the next

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Speaker 1: things over email, like on December seventeenth.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, I'm I'm excited to go back to the East Coast.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna feel so good just for the holidays.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't I'm trying to. I forgot that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not New York.

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Speaker 1: But no you're not. No, I know. That's why I

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Speaker 1: someone said to me they misspoken. Rather than saying like

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Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, I'm flying on Sunday to gorgeous Virginia

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Speaker 2: and it'll be nice. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys do a big Christmas family date day

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like, it's it's normal. We don't like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you call it? We just do normal.

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Speaker 2: We like wake up kind of like there's cooking, there's

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Speaker 1: Not like is there a big dinner like Thanksgiving style, we.

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Speaker 2: Do a big dinner as well.

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Speaker 1: And who's who's doing the cooking, Well, it's.

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Speaker 2: Shared between you know, my mom Misha, and you know

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Speaker 2: my uncle Cecil's pop gonna pop in a bit as well.

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Speaker 1: Now that is inclusive.

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty much what we're up to. I'm surprised

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Speaker 2: you're having a dinner, You're not. Yeah, what are you

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Speaker 2: guys up to? And it's like Matthew's family up to.

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Speaker 1: Well, Matthew's family is ultimately Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Which I knew, of course, I just mean more like so.

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Speaker 1: They don't no, I know, no, So okay, So the

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Speaker 1: thing with Matthew's family is love them, would literally die

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Yes. I mean, all I know is that Crave is Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Like I think it's very it's very quintessentially Canadian in

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Speaker 2: accept himself, which I thought was really interesting and nuanced.

432
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: There's kind of that going on wherever character is like

433
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: I can't come out, But then everyone they talked to

434
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: is like, gay guys are totally fine.

435
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: Like I loved when they're literally talking to their teammates

436
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: and the one of the teammates is talking about how

437
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: difficult it must be for a gay figure skater to

438
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: be in so jesha, yeah, and he goes, he goes,

439
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: it's really tough for folks, like that for folks, I don't.

440
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: Think it's so funny. You're doing folks so funny, And

441
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: I can tell your pouncing it with an X at

442
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: the end, Honey, you're saying folks X.

443
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: You're saying folks X. Now here's a question for you.

444
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: What did you think of the bottle episode?

445
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 2: The thing with the battle episode was I actually liked

446
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: it the same. I thought the bottle episode was quite good,

447
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: and I thought that was, like, I mean, the casting

448
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: of that, like little muscle guy in the smoothie shop

449
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: was fucking bonkers, Like that was like.

450
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: To make it a smoothie barista more buff than the

451
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: hockey player is so funny, and the hockey player.

452
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: All of is forty yearsyears old, Yeah, I love the

453
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: hockey player. I thought his performance was really nice. I agree,

454
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: and I but I thought that the smoothie barista was

455
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: so funny and giving, like talk about giving Canadian TV show.

456
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: No was Degrassi.

457
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: Degrassi boots all of his friends, Like that is so Degrassi?

458
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I was, of course, of course, I'm obsessed with his

459
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: coworker going girl girl.

460
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: That part was funny.

461
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: I was like, it's amazing. I have to say, I

462
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: haven't actually watched the latest episode. I will come clean,

463
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: but of the ones I've watched, that might be my favorite.

464
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I really like I like the fun, propulsive,

465
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: you know nature of the regular show, where basically it's

466
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: like sex scene time jump, sex scene time jump, sex

467
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: scene time jump, and that's sort of it. And then

468
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: there's like occasionally one of them will have like a

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: conversation with his mother who's like, don't forget to wear

470
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: your pumas, and then is it pumas or your rolex?

471
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: You're really yeah, she's on a box.

472
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: She's don't forget the rebox.

473
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: He's like, that's the only thing she says to him.

474
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: And then for the Russian guy, the only thing he

475
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: hears is that his brother wants money, yeah, and that

476
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: his father is like abusive.

477
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: It's a very repetitive. I mean, first of all, there's

478
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: something about the way that time moves that I'm like,

479
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: is this groundbreaking? Like am I seeing something new? Like

480
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: the fact that it starts in two thousand and eight.

481
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: By episode four, we're in twenty sixteen.

482
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: They haven't aged at all.

483
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: They haven't aged at all. Nothing has changed in the relationship,

484
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: not a thing, and you're just like, Okay, maybe this

485
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: is genius. And then but I like, I've gotta say

486
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: the repetition is insane. Like it's literally every scene is

487
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 2: just like like live me, suck a cook and then

488
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: he goes, shut up, We're going to beat you, and

489
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: then I'm going to fuck you. Fuck off every scene,

490
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: every scene, dude, date, are you fucking shut up? Don't

491
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: say that to me? And then like two minutes later

492
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: they're having sex, and it's like, okay, like we've got

493
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 2: to figure out a new angle at like how they

494
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: get into it.

495
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: Well, you know it's setting it up because it starts

496
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: out so balls to the wall, no pun intended. I'm like, okay, well,

497
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: we're starting out at kind of like a seven, I'm

498
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: expecting you to crank it up even more, like I'm

499
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: expecting by episode six there's like full on, like you know,

500
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: really depraved kind of BDSM folesome street fair stuff happening.

501
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, why no butt plug during the game. Yeah,

502
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: he's like.

503
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: Hello, exactly, okay, and thank you for saying that, because

504
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: he does wear the socks that the other guy gets him.

505
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, let's take this a step further, like

506
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: let's have let's have him do some sort of signal

507
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: to the TV that the other guy know means thatching.

508
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah what yah, That's.

509
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: What's so degrassi about it. And I think it's like charming,

510
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: Like I do think it's fun that it's essentially a

511
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: teen show, and I I'm not necessarily I have no

512
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: ethical issue with like it should be dirty or it

513
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: should be like more.

514
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: Sex, I mean sex. They are like kind of going

515
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: for it, Like I'm pretty surprised at how extended the

516
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: sex scenes are, Like yeah, you don't see cock, but

517
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: like you see a lot.

518
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that it is very hot and

519
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: something sort of amazing that I have heard from many

520
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: people is this is a show that Okay, this is

521
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: a show that gay couples watch and both of them

522
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: have boners. The way to watch the show is with

523
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: your same sex husband, like sitting side by side and

524
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: both of you have boners. Don't you think?

525
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Well it reminds me of being like a teen in

526
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: a way, like in a like in a homophobic way

527
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: where I'm like watching it, we're both getting boners, and

528
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: then we're going like, this isn't even hot, this is

529
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: this is stupid. I don't even like this.

530
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: No, it's very I know, there's a sort it's funny

531
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: because there's a certain kind of shame that's like, because okay,

532
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: you're ashamed of your sexuality. That's not the kind of

533
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: shame you feel watching this show. The shame you feel

534
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: watching the show is being like, oh no, this got me,

535
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: Like you're giving me two like poor mey conventionally attractive

536
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: guys doing Disney Channel acting and.

537
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: I still got hard.

538
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Fuck. I haven't wrote it all in the last fifteen years.

539
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: This is what I was like as a teen.

540
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: It sucks.

541
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: What was hot?

542
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: Tell me a scene that was hot to you? Oh God,

543
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: because I have one in mind.

544
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, it's I mean, it's been a while since

545
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I've watched it now, But isn't there one scene where

546
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: like one of them starts jerking off and the other

547
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: is like watching. Oh yeah, the part where he likes

548
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: like the first chair, yes, takes the chair.

549
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: And sits on. Oh.

550
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean I did enjoy that a lot. And I

551
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: will say the Asian one, you can see in his

552
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: eyes the complicated feelings he's feeling of like both wanting

553
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: to succumb to it completely and being excited about it

554
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: while also being a little scared.

555
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: Suck, come succumb.

556
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Damn, we need to be in the writer's room for

557
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: season two.

558
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: Literally, no. I thought it was really hot when they

559
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: first took up in like F one and he like

560
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: comes really fast. I was like, damn, this is awesome.

561
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: And also that is realistic. Sure, and and my message

562
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: to our dear friend Jordan firstman, that is realistic. Okay,

563
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Now we're sorry Jordan that you're going hours at a

564
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: time without coming your first time having gay sex. I

565
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: have to say that there's the person a gay sex.

566
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I came within twenty minutes twenty seventies.

567
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: The last time I had gay sex, I came within

568
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: twenty seconds.

569
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Guess what Sometimes you come fast and that's okay.

570
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: Oh god, I like that.

571
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: We're being PG. Thirteen. Yeah.

572
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: One time I was here. One time when I was

573
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 2: like twenty three, I hooked up with this guy who

574
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: was like forty, and I came really fast and he

575
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: scolded me. He was like, hey, you can't come that fast,

576
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I'm twenty three.

577
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: This is He was literally being like, this is not

578
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: authentic gay sex. What you just did is not authentic

579
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: gay sex. What are You're a straight woman writing a

580
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: queer romance novel. I actually don't know she's a straight

581
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: or a woman, So don't write it.

582
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: I think I have to be honest. The Internet backslash

583
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: to Jordan Firstman saying that it wasn't authentic. I found

584
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: to be genuinely confusing. Like I was like, this is

585
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: the most normal statement I've ever heard in my life.

586
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: It's like I saw like the craziest, like the mental

587
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: illness jumped out of people, like being like, Hi, I'm

588
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: a lesbian dating a trans woman and people say I

589
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: don't have lesbian sex. And I was like, so he's

590
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: not talking about you, Like let's just start there. He's

591
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: not talking about you, Like, I was like, this is

592
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: so weird, Like I was confused by it, genuinely. I

593
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: was just like, I guess when you get to a

594
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: certain level of famous, you literally can't say anything.

595
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: Well, it's complicated because it's tough with I love Jordan,

596
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: but it's tough with Jordan because he is being he

597
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: As he said himself, he like his being like a

598
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: mouthy gay guy as all of us are. Like, yeah,

599
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: it's like that's catnip for people who like spend their

600
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: entire life commenting on Instagram reels. Like you're gonna talk

601
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: about the authenticity of gay sex on screen, You're gonna

602
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: have a few people coming at you and like suddenly

603
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: telling you their life story.

604
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: I found it so weird. I was like, you know

605
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: what he's talking about? Like it was really was like chill,

606
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: this is I was surprised.

607
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I was surprised at the level of story it because

608
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but you know what I honestly

609
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: think with the Internet is like I really genuinely think

610
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: that all normal people have stopped commenting, and so the

611
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: ones that are left, like there should be some sort

612
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: of German word for this, kind of like paradox it's

613
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: like the ones that are left are only the crazy ones.

614
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: It used to be that, you know, it would be

615
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: sort of like seventy percent normal, thirty percent crazy. Obviously

616
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some contingent of crazy, but like there

617
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: was some kind of balance, and I really think now

618
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: it's just insane people and bots.

619
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's true.

620
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean remember my the comments under my clip with Stavi.

621
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: I mean that was fucking crazy. That was fucking crazy.

622
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Basically for context, folks, he did a clip that was

623
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: about gay guys not being monogamous and how every gay

624
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: guy we know who's monogamous were sort of like, is

625
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: everything okay? And it was a common like aids aids aids.

626
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I at some and at some point, I was just

627
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: getting constant notifications and all of them have the word

628
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: AIDS in them. It was And I was also like, also,

629
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: people kept calling me a circuit gay. They're kept being

630
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: gay guys that were like, do not this circuit gay

631
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: doesn't speak for all of us, and like, sweetheart, I'm

632
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: thirty four married and years I've been to a party

633
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: in years. I'm also the joke, literally, the joke among

634
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: our friend group is that I'm like more prudish, Like

635
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: the idea that I am the voice of slightly gay

636
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: guys is insane, but anyway, it doesn't matter.

637
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, there was. I think it's actually linked to the

638
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: Jordan thing. There's like a new you know, you know,

639
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: five to eight years ago, the whole thing was like

640
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: white gays, white ka's are evil, White kays are evil.

641
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: The new thing is like sceney Gaze, Like and I

642
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: think your thing hit that, and I think Jordan Firstman's

643
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: thing hits that where there's like this thing of like,

644
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 2: I'm not like the sceney gays. The scene gays are

645
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: bitchy and evil.

646
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see it could be seen, it could be

647
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: people kept saying NYC Gaze. People also kept saying like this,

648
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: like people kept saying like terminally online, as though it's

649
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: a thing, as though the idea of being the Jordan archetype,

650
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: let's say, is someone who's super online, which is so

651
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think of Jordan in fact

652
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: as someone who's constantly going to parties. Right, He's like, ow,

653
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: it's actually you're telling on yourself. You're the one who's

654
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: constantly online and constantly hate watching Jordan's content.

655
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, I'm trying to think there's

656
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: anything else like he did rivalry ish Okay, in episode three,

657
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: what was up with the dad? So the art guy

658
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: has a dad who is like so sweet and loving

659
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: and this is also so Canada coded. But I was like,

660
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: is he supposed to be gay? What's going on here?

661
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? The the dad thing, I am a little bit like, well, okay,

662
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: let's not to be completely you know, uh, not to

663
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: be completely close reading in order to problematize things. But

664
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: it must be said that the Russian dad is abusive,

665
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: the Asian mom is a tiger mom, and the white

666
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: dad is the most accepting person you've ever met in

667
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: your entire life. And that's just fact, Like that is

668
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: just how these characters are portrayed. And like, I'm not

669
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: out to cancel anyone.

670
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't.

671
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: I think everyone involved is like doing this with a

672
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of love in their hearts, and I'm not trying

673
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: to There are a lot.

674
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Of abusive Russian dads and.

675
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: That's just like I was kind of like, huh, it's amazing.

676
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: It's amazing that these.

677
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Things that you know, when we were in our twenties

678
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: would be like the topics of like five million essays.

679
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: Now people are like, you know what, like, there's bigger

680
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: problems in the world. You can't be talking about representation.

681
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: I was honestly thinking about this with Rachel's show, where

682
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so Rachel's show has two NEPO babies,

683
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: one of them is quite literally cosplaying as Latina. I'm sorry,

684
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: put it through.

685
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: It has like.

686
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: It has like quote unquote unlikable characters. It has quote

687
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: unquote vapid white girls, like all these things that used

688
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: to be such triggers. And I'm you know, I'm loving

689
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: the show. For the record. I think it's like really

690
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: great and really funny. But it is funny that now

691
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: everyone has like given up on doing these sort of

692
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: like fake critiques.

693
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, okay enough. One of the weirder

694
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: things is like seeing that when you do see it,

695
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: like a five year old critique come out, You're like,

696
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: WHOA hold.

697
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: On, Yeah, you're like, wait, I thought we weren't doing that.

698
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: The most recent episode of I Love I'm like, this

699
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: show is so good.

700
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: I love it, and I think Rachel is a true

701
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: talent and shout out. I really am very like, I'm

702
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: really so impressed with her, and I always have been.

703
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: And I just think if you don't get the vision,

704
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: like if you don't get if you're if you think

705
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: that the character she's playing is Shushi's in real life,

706
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: you need to check yourself into Malibu Promises because you

707
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: have been diagnosed with the case of not getting it.

708
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: The like Tim Bolts playing the French designer stylist guy

709
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: was so funny and I was like, God, this.

710
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: Is perfectly Oh, it's great, silly and it's a true comedy.

711
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm laughing my ass laugh every episode. The Elijah Wood.

712
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: Stuff, the Elijah Wood stuff was amazing.

713
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: And huge. Oh my god. True Whittaker makes me laugh, laugh, laugh,

714
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: It's one of her. She's the Lucille ball.

715
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: She is like, it's giving like a Manda in mean

716
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: being Girls.

717
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, completely, No, she's doing amazing stuff. You know

718
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: I heard that. They're something I heard today. Sometimes I'll

719
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: get like little snippets of film Twitter in my feed

720
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: and something people are saying is that Searchlight is bungling

721
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: Amanda Seyfried's Oscar chances. Oh have you seen she's in Well,

722
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: there you go. Clearly they're bungling. Then, because you don't

723
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: even know. She's in this movie called The Testament of

724
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Anne Lee where she plays the founder of the Shaker movement,

725
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: and apparently she's incredible in it, but apparently they're not

726
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: doing a good job promoting her.

727
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Wow. I guess I've seen this poster.

728
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: You know it's directed by it's written and directed by

729
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Brady Corbey's wife. Oh interesting, and I think he also

730
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: co wrote it and produced it or whatever.

731
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

732
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to watch. And I support Amanda Seyfried.

733
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but too. And I'm now learning how to say

734
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: her name, right, Cifried? No, I think you're right.

735
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: I was saying Sefred or something sea Freed. Maybe it's Sefred,

736
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Listen, I don't know how to

737
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: pronounce these ethnic names like Odessa a Zion.

738
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

739
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: So and speaking of Amanda Sea Fried or however you

740
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: pronounce her name. I'm also kind of excited for the

741
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Paul Figue movie with her and Sidney Sweeney.

742
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: I know people are saying it's kind of good.

743
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's very good. I don't know what is

744
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: going on with Sidney Sweeney where she forgot to act

745
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: sometime after Euphoria season two. I'm like, you used to

746
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: be like one of the best actresses and then you forgot.

747
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: It's actually weird.

748
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: It's like they do surgery, Like did they do brain

749
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: surgery on you? You were so good?

750
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: She was so good. She like became self aware, like

751
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, like, I'm a person I shouldn't like

752
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: She's like, it's silly to act, but exactly. Yeah, it's weird.

753
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm like worried.

754
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Well, it's that thing that happens sometimes when actors become

755
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: more involved in the business side of things. I'm sorry

756
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: to say, but it happened with one of my favorite actresses,

757
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon. Her performance in The Morning Show is like

758
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: the worst performance of her career, and it's because she's

759
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: more involved in like producing and where she like gets

760
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: on set and she's just sort of like, Okay, this

761
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: is like one of the sixteen things I have to

762
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: do today. I'm not like passionate about this character.

763
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: So my lines are roughly this. So I'll just say

764
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: that into the camera and you got it. Okay, let's

765
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: go moving. Yeah that's tough. That's tough.

766
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: Well, so that's it in terms of heated rivalry.

767
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it.

768
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: I just want to support it.

769
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: Was sexy three, was sexy two, like maybe even more sexy,

770
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: Like that's more like my fantasy is like a straight

771
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: guy is like, I'm actually in love with you?

772
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I was. There was something about

773
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: the main show. The main storyline is almost like breadth

774
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: over depth. It's like it's more about the timeline and

775
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: it's more about following them, whereas the bottle episode was

776
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: like a genuinely affecting love story. Yeah. No, it was good,

777
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: and I really thought both of the actors were so

778
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: good and that guy is so hot, well he.

779
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: Gets like comedically hot him, like walking around in his

780
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: little underwear. I was like, how did you do this?

781
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: How do you even do this? Yeah, that's pretty much

782
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: it with HUD Rivalry.

783
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm loving it. I mean I'm like very supportive

784
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: of it, and I think that it's great that it's

785
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: having a moment.

786
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: I think it would be an amazing choice for season

787
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: two to have to introduce plot into the.

788
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: Show definitely and maybe even kind of get into what

789
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: the whole hockey thing is.

790
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: I was like, why are half the scenes them in tuxas? Yeah?

791
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, I do think it is sort of because they

792
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: at some point they made the decision they don't want

793
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: to show too much hockey, like the hockey is kind

794
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: of like a theoretical you know, it's sort of just

795
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: like that's the foundation upon which a story that is

796
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: fully not about hockey is built. And so then they

797
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: still have to find and spaces in which to run

798
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: into each other. So they're like, I guess they'll just

799
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: go to galas.

800
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: There's a scene in the that you haven't seen yet

801
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: where he meets like a famous actress at a bar,

802
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: the Asian one. I don't know either of their names.

803
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: And well one of them is Hollander.

804
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Hallander meets a famous actress and he's like, oh, I'm

805
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: a big fan, and she's like, I'm a big fan too,

806
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know who I am and she's like, yeah,

807
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: I'm the only girl and with four brothers who grew

808
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: up in Michigan, so yeah, I know who you are.

809
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: And that I was like, this is so funny, like

810
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: writing like that.

811
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: I love No, I love I also love the fact

812
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: that these galas somehow everyone's invited. So there's a gala

813
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: and literally the barista from the smoothie shop is also

814
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: part of it. She's like, I have to go to

815
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: this gala. Can you be my plus one? It's a

816
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: hockey gala, Like, don't want to go, but obviously, like

817
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of Smoothie Briistas were invited because they're trying

818
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: to invite more Smoothie Bristas, so you could just come

819
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: with me. It's like, so it's amazing, it's amazing, Like, oh,

820
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: that is such a funny coincidence. I'm actually fucking the

821
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: most famous hockey player of all time, and so I

822
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: would love to go because this is like perfect for me.

823
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: I can run into him.

824
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: There's no conflict. No one has ever found out that

825
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: they're fucking each other over eight years, and like it's fine.

826
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: There's no conflicts at all. Neither one of them is

827
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: like I actually love you. They're just like they're vibarly. Well.

828
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I do love also that they're sort of communicating with

829
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: one another via press interviews. Yeah, so anyway, I uh,

830
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: I have to say in closing today. In fact, the

831
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: New York magazine published interviews with each of them, and

832
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: so one of them was with the Russian guy, who,

833
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: by the way, is American, and he really says yes,

834
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: he says he's involved in the clowning community, one of

835
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: our favorite topics.

836
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he's like I is he LA based?

837
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I think he's LA based, and I think in passing

838
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm just like really involved in the

839
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: clowning community. And it's very like, uh, sort of inspired

840
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: by European clowning. So I've always been I've always like

841
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: wished I was European.

842
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: Lol.

843
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: And then Hollander did a thing for the Cut where

844
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: he goes through his beauty routine and when I tell you,

845
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: it's like one of the most like American psychoass like

846
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: he uses upwards of like thirty seven products every day.

847
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: It is being very articulate, just like and this is

848
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: what I do. If I accidentally have a drink, then

849
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I wake up the next morning and I have to

850
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: deal with puffiness around five am, if I have an

851
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: event at six am, and it's very It honestly feels

852
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of like life imitating art. It feels like what

853
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: the Reebok mom would like make him do before or

854
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: a media appearance.

855
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: That is tough.

856
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes he looks like Pete Boo to me. Really, yeah,

857
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: I will say this, I find him He's not your type.

858
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I find him to be really hot.

859
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

860
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: Something in the right light, he can kind of be

861
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: my type, like because he's got that good boy thing,

862
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: which kind of works for me sometimes but not always.

863
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about the Actually whatever I

864
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: was gonna tell me, you tell me, just like I guess.

865
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: Initially there was like another news cycle about whether they're

866
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: gay or.

867
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: Not, like, oh yeah, who cares? Who cares? Grow up? Yeah,

868
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: we need to have a new cycle about whether they're

869
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: hung or not.

870
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would love to know whether they're hung.

871
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: I I don't think they are. Also if they are

872
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: that and I don't care either way.

873
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: And shout out to Intimacy Coordinators. They are doing the

874
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: work on that show.

875
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: And also I just want to say, you know, you

876
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: can have like a degrassy into misty Coordinators show coexist

877
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: with like a super like with Pillions starring Alexander Scar's Guard.

878
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: You can have both. And that's the amazing world we

879
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: live in.

880
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: Everyone is seen or something like. It doesn't come out

881
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: for two more years, and yet everyone has seen it

882
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: and it's like already old news. I'm like, wow, So

883
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, what.

884
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: The reason I haven't seen it is because I was

885
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: in LA recording Straighter lab when I was supposed to

886
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: go see it in New York and now that was

887
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: my one chance and now I have to see it

888
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: in five years when it comes.

889
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: Out this world.

890
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: It's cruel, it's cool. I have heard it's amazing, though

891
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: I know I'm really excited. While that's it in terms

892
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: of gay media.

893
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Now we're going on to straight media, except in theory

894
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: that Daniel Craig is getting the film, but oh yeah,

895
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: I forgot about it. Only don't you get that from

896
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: his pants?

897
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: And he don't?

898
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Don't you think that Knives Out is like

899
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: really is just like straight culture? Yes?

900
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: I think we need to. So we're now going to

901
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: talk about Wake Up dead Man, the new Knives Out

902
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: movie that's right now streaming on Netflix. Is this for

903
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: Is this essential straight culture? Yes? To me, we need

904
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: to talk about. First of all, I want to say

905
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: I liked it. I thought this movie was sure funny, charming.

906
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Thoughtful, great acting and Mila Kunis I thought.

907
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: I thought the mystery worked really well where I was like,

908
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: how are they doing this? What's going on? And joshua'connor

909
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: is to die for.

910
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: So fun In the beginning, I was like, uh oh,

911
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: what is he going to do with this accent? But

912
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: then I just got used to it and it was

913
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: fine and it was very charming.

914
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: It came out very charming. The thing with Ryan Johnson

915
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: is I'm like, you are funny, you are good at

916
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: this the liberal stuff. Oh my god, I'm a little like,

917
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: do we need to be so contemporary? Like I get it,

918
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: you don't like Trump, Like it's sort of like no conservative,

919
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: but like this is this is very straightforward in a

920
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: way where I'm like, I can't tell this is helpful

921
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: or not.

922
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Well, you're also it's he's dealing with social issues in

923
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: the most mediated way possible. It is just so clear

924
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: that he has like fifteen alts on Twitter and is

925
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: consuming just so much news content and online content, and

926
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: he thinks it's like if you were to be like,

927
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: what are the main factors of America? He would be like, okay,

928
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: so in cells thought leaders that are lying feminist women

929
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: with podcasts and Donald Trump, Like it's almost like put

930
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: the laptop away, we have a dinner.

931
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very put the laptop away. I like

932
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: in the there's like the politician, the aspiring politician character

933
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: who is like I liked him at the beginning as

934
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: like the avatar for all the Internet language and all

935
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: the like insane conservativeness. But then it was like, okay,

936
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: so everyone has this exactly, everyone has this. No, it's straight.

937
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: It's like the thing that connects all of them is

938
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: that they are online all the time and into conspiracy

939
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: theories somehow.

940
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: It's like, so the Josh Berlin character is Trump, and

941
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: they're all but also they're all Trump, but they're all Trump,

942
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: and then like, yeah, I found that some of that

943
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: to be confusing, Like I would rather him do like

944
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: an almost like Eddington style mystery next time, where it's

945
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: like a really politically torn town and like you don't

946
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: know who is right and who is wrong.

947
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: Well, I think speaking of a town. One big way

948
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: he tells on himself for like not for making such

949
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: an Internet movie is like I'm sorry, where does this

950
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: town exist? What sort of town has a church community

951
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: that is made up of like a black Republican, failed

952
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: political candidate, an exiled sci fi writer, like but also

953
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: they go to like a right wing church and they're

954
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: all wealthy, but sort of like weird wealthy. I just

955
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: don't think that town exists. But anyway, it's fiction, so

956
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: it's fine and I'm not And also you have to

957
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: like enter this world and in this world, that's what

958
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: we're dealing with, so you can't, you know, spend the

959
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: entire movie being like that's whatn't happened.

960
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: And again I mostly liked it. It's also just like

961
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: they gave Carrie Washington nothing.

962
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: They sort of, I mean, they certainly gave Kerry Washington nothing,

963
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: but they also sort of barely gave Jeremy Renner much.

964
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: And the Cellist Girl. Also Kaylee Spainey famously from that

965
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: Kristen Kirsten Dunst movie, like she also didn't get much. Yeah,

966
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: there were a lot of like red herrings.

967
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I was sort of like it felt

968
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: that's the other issue with making an Internet movie, where

969
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: I was like, none of these people are like defined,

970
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: they're like flat, flat values or something, and you could

971
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: like make them have a personality.

972
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: Well, Carrie Washington's arc is that she starts smoking.

973
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: But that means that I'm being so negative because I

974
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: actually did.

975
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Love I enjoyed it. It was it was like it's funny.

976
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: We both watched last night without planning to. We didn't

977
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: plan to talk about it, but we both independently were like, Oh,

978
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: this would be a fun thing to put on. And

979
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: I think it's fun that we have this new franchise

980
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: that has like it's almost white Lotus esque, and that

981
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: it just like gives a bunch of fun actors, you know,

982
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: really campy roles to do, and you know there's one

983
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: that comes out every couple of years and we all

984
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: watch and then we move on. I think it's fun.

985
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: I think it's nice that it's not based on existing

986
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: ip I think, you know, Craig is great. I honestly,

987
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: I mean I thought gun Close was so good.

988
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: She was really good. She was to die for. Actually,

989
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: I really have.

990
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: Very little patience when like people make fun of her

991
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: for like wanting it too much. I'm like, she's one

992
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: of the great actresses. It's I'm you know how we

993
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: always talk about how people talk about FK Twigs as

994
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: though she has done something wrong, when in fact she's

995
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: never done anything wrong. That's how I feel about gun Clothes.

996
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, leave her alone. She's a legend, like, and

997
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: she's also working so much and doing such different, like

998
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: interesting things in her late career.

999
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: Well, she almost in a positive way, like doesn't have

1000
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: vanity in the same way that other actresses of her

1001
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: age did completely. She's like, no, I'll look fucking stupid. Yeah,

1002
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: because I'm an actor, Like my role is to like

1003
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: fill the character. And I think she looks bad.

1004
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: I look bad, And I think she finds real joy

1005
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: in it and is really like in it for the work.

1006
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I know she also wants to win an Oscar,

1007
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: but that's she's also she loves the work.

1008
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 2: I mean, she's not doing this to an an oscar.

1009
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: No one's been in an oscar for fucking nights.

1010
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: No one's winning an oscar for a knights, But.

1011
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: Like she's not doing like oscar bait necessarily.

1012
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin's great, He's great.

1013
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: So sexy, I know, so sexy I was like talking

1014
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: about I was like, come on, oh.

1015
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Here was a loose end, not to spoil, but I'm like,

1016
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: don't you think they should have maybe circled back to

1017
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: why he got whatever surgery where he couldn't get a

1018
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: boner Like I.

1019
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: Thought, I thought you had like cancer or something, But.

1020
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: Then does that become part of the plot at all.

1021
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: M you know what I mean, Like I I thought

1022
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: it was just like a random fact.

1023
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is a random fact. Yeah.

1024
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: How do you feel about how completely catholic the movie was, Well,

1025
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: explain what do you mean? I just feel like it

1026
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: was so.

1027
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 2: Like pro church in general.

1028
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was it really. I mean I think

1029
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: that I think it is the you know, moral infrastructure

1030
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: that like undergirds the movie. I'm not I don't think

1031
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: it is like a pro Catholicism movie. I just think

1032
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: it's like the world you have to buy into. But

1033
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I was a little bit like, wow, this really is

1034
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: like a like almost like a Christian movie. Like it

1035
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: is like the good Priest who is truly pure and

1036
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: good in every way, he has no flaughts, He's like

1037
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: a Jesus figure. It's like the good Priest saves the

1038
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: church from basically the Antichrist. Yeah. I just thought it

1039
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: was interesting.

1040
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: It was a very like it was.

1041
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: An incredibly moralistic story about internet archetypes, and in that

1042
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: way it felt so like almost twenty twenty or like

1043
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen MSNBC Trump era art.

1044
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: I kind of liked the religiousness and sort of being

1045
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: like like, I know it's hack and I know it's

1046
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: like obvious to be like, this is actually what the

1047
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: church is for when when used correctly, Like I thought

1048
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: it was nice to be like, the church can be

1049
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: a place of good if you believe, if you as

1050
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: long as it's not rotted from the inside, and like

1051
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: it's like I liked the balance of like Ben wil

1052
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: Blanc being like I fucking hate it here and Josh

1053
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: O'Connor being like, it's beautiful. I thought that was almost

1054
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: the more nuanced part than like the characters themselves, was

1055
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: like Josh O'Connor verse Daniel Craig, and I liked that

1056
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: push and pull. Yeah I think, and yeah, I don't know.

1057
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: It's like working on me these days to be like

1058
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: you can't just like kick everybody out who's religious. You

1059
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: have to be like, oh, are you religious good? Or

1060
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: are you religious bad?

1061
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: So here's maybe what I'm okay. Here's maybe what my

1062
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: main critique again of a movie I generally liked boils

1063
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: down to it is a very insular community. You don't

1064
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: see the outside world at all, and yet they're all

1065
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: via the internet only constantly talking about the outside world.

1066
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a COVID movie, Like they could

1067
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: only shoot in one space, and so they have to

1068
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: like find a way to talk about the outside world

1069
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: without going into it. Like I would almost have wanted

1070
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: like even just one scene where Josh O'Connor goes back

1071
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: to his home church from the beginning, or one scene

1072
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: where he like goes into the town. It is such

1073
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: a chamber piece.

1074
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It is confusing in that way. Yeah,

1075
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like any moments in particular

1076
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: that I I don't know, the part where Daniel Craig

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: is jiggling Josh Brolin's body and saying it's just flesh

1078
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: and blood, and I was like, that is I was

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00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: laugh laugh laughing.

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Speaker 1: No, it's fun. It's fun. If anything, I like, I

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00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: agree with you. They didn't give Kerry Washington anything. And

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00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: if anything, I'm like The Second Knives that movie, which

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00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: I liked less, gave more to the actors, Like it

1084
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: was more campy and it was more like cartoonish over

1085
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: the top, which I actually enjoyed. I think it was

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00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: in service of a story that was I'm sorry, moronic,

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: but I think it was fun to see all the

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: actors like Gentleman Nay was so good in it, Like

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00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: it was fun to see all the actors do like

1090
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: really go balls to the wall like kid Hudson or whatever.

1091
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: And I do think in this one, many of them

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do.

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00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised, Like I was surprised how little

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00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: they had to do. And even like Carrie Washington's whole

1095
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: arc was sort of like you know, in theory, quite tragic,

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00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: and it was like played very like yeah, that happened,

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00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: so we did a thing and I'm like.

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: That whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah, but let's it's sela vie.

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: And it is ultimately fun for the whole family, like

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00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: literally to be in like a fun movie that does

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00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: sort of harken BacT with simpler era.

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00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes it's as we all go into our

1103
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: sort of what's the word, it's not anti woke, but

1104
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 2: like everyone's being like a little like, yeah, words don't

1105
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: matter anymore, fuck everything, nihilistic almost Yeah, it's nice to

1106
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: be like, well maybe maybe caring in a big way

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: is kind of nice.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I like that all the movies, all

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: the Knives Out movies ultimately have like a really earnest

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: pro social message, like even from the first one with

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00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: an ad armis, which I think they did really well. Yeah,

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: and you know, it's okay to have some kind of

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00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: slightly preachy mythology for our times.

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? Why not?

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: Why not be a little Catholic.

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00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: As a tree?

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: You can be a little Catholic as a treat on Christmas?

1118
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: Why not?

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Oh yeah. Josh O'Connor scrunched up his

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: face in a crazy way. How does he do that?

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: He is obviously so hot, but he does really look

1122
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: like a little rat. Yeah, he really looks like ratitui.

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00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: He really got on that ear trend. Yeah, just the

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00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: right time because people were really there was like a

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00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: turn where people were like, actually, those ears are hot,

1127
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: and then boom, there he was, and I was like, damn,

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00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: you got there quick. No, I'm.

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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: So into him. And I'm also I just want to say,

1130
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm tired of this thing people love to say where

1131
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: they're like there are no movie stars anymore, there are

1132
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: no leading men anymore. It's like, let everyone cook. There

1133
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: are leading men.

1134
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's leading men like Josha Connor is like doing it.

1135
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: Everyone's in love with him. It's he's doing. And don't

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: fucking come to me and talk about Glenn Powell as

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: a leading man. This bitch is too goofy. That smile

1138
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: is annoying.

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01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: And you know that's where I'm gonna have to disagree

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01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: with you. What I love. I think Glenn Powell is

1141
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: one of the best we got. Oh have you seen Hitman? No,

1142
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: I will come on. He is absolute to die for

1143
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: in Hitman. I think he's like, honestly really does his

1144
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: best with that Sydney Sweetey movie. I think he's good

1145
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: in uh Top Gun. What else is he in?

1146
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh?

1147
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: You know, I sort I was curious about Running Man,

1148
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: even though I heard it was kind of stupid. Yeah, well, no,

1149
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean I get that he's goofy. Obviously he looks

1150
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: like a he looks like a parody of a frap

1151
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: bro or something. Yeah, which is of course his origin

1152
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: story is playing a parody of a frap bro on

1153
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: Scream Queens. Huh Glenn Powell? Michelle Randolph outing amid romance?

1154
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: The hell is Michelle Randolph? And why wasn't I insulted?

1155
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: Well?

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01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: You know, I have to say, as we wrap up,

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm excited for Oscar season there's so many good movies

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: I want to watch. Yeah, what's on the top of

1159
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: your list. I definitely want to watch that Amanda Seafreed movie.

1160
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: I want to still see Blue Moon, which I haven't

1161
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: seen yet.

1162
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want to see Blue Moon.

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: I want to see Speaking of Josh O'Connor. I want

1164
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: to see The Mastermind.

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: Me too.

1166
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking up movies twenty twenty five.

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 3: I want to.

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: See m Oh my god, I told you I saw.

1169
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: If I had legs, i'd kick you.

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01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh, and you loved it.

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01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: It was really good. I'm sort of curious about Jake Kelly,

1172
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling it's gonna piss me.

1173
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: The fuck off. This is what Sometimes the movie's ability

1174
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: to you know, inspire wonder, enjoy, also can inspire anger.

1175
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: And I'm worried whenever there's a movie where I'm like, like,

1176
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: if it makes me mad, I'm mad forever. Like, yeah,

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: it's and I'm worried Jake Kelly's gonna make me mad.

1178
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: Listening to the Culture Gabfest about it, they were sort

1179
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: of like, we liked it, but then we hated it,

1180
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: but then we liked And I was like, I can't

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: tell where I stand.

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01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: I want No a Bombback. I against all odds, I

1183
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: want No a Bomback to succeed me too, and yet

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01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: it's not quite doing it for me. I actually recently

1185
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: rewatched the Myrowitz Stories and I thought I would love it,

1186
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: and I I didn't. Quite It didn't get me there.

1187
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, make Francis.

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: Hap, make Fransis How, make Francis Hall.

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: Just make Francis Hall. Make Margaret at the Margaret at

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01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: the wind Yeah, make Margaret at the wedding like you've

1191
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: done it before. Because, by the way, talk about a

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: leading man, Channing Tatum one of the best leading men.

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01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 2: He's good, He's always good.

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01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: I guess you're it's like he's who Glenn Powell like

1195
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: wants to be kind of yeah, like he's both goofy

1196
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: rat looking but also can like turn it.

1197
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: Out, can be serious.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts on uh pop culture as a whole, I.

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Speaker 2: Think better luck next year, y'all. I think we got

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: this in the bag. I thought, I don't know. I

1201
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: thought movies this year were fine, but nothing like I

1202
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: guess I'm thinking about. Like I liked everything. I liked

1203
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: sentimental value a lot, but I'm craving like the way

1204
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: that like Anatomy of a Fall had me. I know,

1205
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,479
Speaker 2: by the throat, I'm craving something, just like really really

1206
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: smashing me.

1207
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: I know, anatomy of befall. It's like or tar you

1208
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: don't you don't get one. We didn't get one of those.

1209
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: And even like like knives out this wake up for another.

1210
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: That's true. I liked it, but it didn't like I

1211
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: didn't feel wrecked. I wanted to feel like destroyed and

1212
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: being like, wow, you got to like an essential truth.

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01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: I really did like it, and I thought everything was

1214
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: really well done and cool and smart and whatever inventive.

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, now, remind me, have you still

1216
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: not watched Adaptation?

1217
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: I've not watched Adaptation?

1218
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: Sam, please watch over the holidays.

1219
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: Okay, just watch it, watch it with me, Sha, Okay,

1220
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch Adaptation.

1221
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: I think that'll I think that'll give you something you're desiring.

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01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: Do you want coffee? Folks? It's ten thirty am over here.

1223
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: And it's one thirty pm over here, and honey, I'm

1224
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: ready for bed.

1225
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm surprised I slept plenty last night.

1226
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: But I've actually been sleeping amazingly well.

1227
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: I slept so well last night. I was like, whoa,

1228
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: that was crazy. Okay, Well, I like.

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Speaker 1: To say to everyone, happy, joyful holidays. Have happy Hollywood.

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: I hope you get into either the Hollywood spirit or

1231
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: the holiday spirit. I hope you celebrate however you wish,

1232
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: and I hope everyone has let's say it, a lovely

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01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: December twenty third.

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I hope you celebrate or sell a script huh ah.

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: Je I heard the other day speaking of wordplay. I

1236
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: was on vacation with Matthew's family. His brother turns to

1237
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: me and goes, Manchester Hair United.

1238
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love you.

1239
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: I believe that. I was like, oh, so you you

1240
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: deserve literally like a Pulitzer, Manches Hair United.

1241
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: Manchest Hair United. Jesus wow.

1242
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, how is Vaca?

1243
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: We should wrap up?

1244
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: Oh it was lovely. You know, I'm really niece pilled

1245
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: in a huge in a huge way. It's just like

1246
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: it has really made me soft. Like all I wanted

1247
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: to do was was hanging out without a little niece,

1248
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: and she was being like so cute throughout. And you know,

1249
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: it's boring when you talk about children that are you know,

1250
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: people haven't met and I get that, but you know,

1251
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: get yourself a niece is what I'll say. It's really

1252
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: like an antidepressant.

1253
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: That's good.

1254
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: I kind of thought you were talking about the location.

1255
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: I was like, you didn't go to nice Oh no,

1256
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: not nice Frands, just like my having my human niece.

1257
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: But the location was nice.

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I got to say, you know, if you

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: are able to go on a beach vacation in the

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: middle of the winter, you absolutely should. Yeah, talk about

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01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: never I had never done it before. It's something that

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: I you know, it's something I thought of as tragically American.

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: I've done it once in my life, and I the

1264
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: way that I think about it's still I'm like, yeah,

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01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: I like wish I were in New York so that

1266
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: I could go on vacation in the middle of the winter.

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: No, it's completely amazing, amazing, and the beach is like

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: the greatest gift God has ever given us. Say that,

1269
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: shout out to God, literally shout out to God. Uh,

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: you know now that we're being athol Yeah, all right,

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01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: we went our red scare Have a Catholic Christmas.

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: Have a Catholic Christmas, folks.

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01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: Goodbye bye podcast and now want more Subscribe to our

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01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,960
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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,800
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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,200
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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,240
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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,280
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01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,120
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01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,480
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