WEBVTT - Criminal w/ Doug E. Doug 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.200 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.240 Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:32.080 I am Lisa. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.120 Hello, Hello, and I am Kara, And it is so 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.760 great to be here on our podcast. So where we 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.840 talk about an episode of SVU the true crimeate's based 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.360 on and we interview an amazing guest and I'm I'm 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.519 pumped you. I have to tell you. Lisa Rosie is 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:53.520 in these swim lessons right now that are intensive swim lessons, 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.400 Like every day she goes for thirty minutes for eight 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.000 days and the man that is teaching them is a 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:04.679 full i'ld whisper Svengali. In four days, she is jumping 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.320 into the pool and swimming to this man breathing under 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.759 like holding her breath underwater. It is beyond Like I'm 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.800 so proud of her, Like I'm just like I will 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.120 talk to anybody that wants to talk about it. I'm like, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.759 oh my god, my daughter's in these swim glasses and 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.720 it's just been really cute and we I was so 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.840 happy we found this guy because I guess this is 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.840 a certain technique and a lot of people. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.680 And our friends is it both the other daughters are 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.839 just one just okay, it's older. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.759 You know, almost every kid in this in this group, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.200 there's a few of you. Oh my god, they do 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.440 two groups of three. They only go three at a time, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.640 and you know all like you know, all the kids 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:42.640 except for maybe one. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:44.520 I did realize it. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.880 So you all get this pool and then he comes 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.800 to you, guys and revolutionizes your children's life. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.960 Yes, and the first three go for thirty minutes and 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.520 then they leave, and then the next thirt three go 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.160 and he like, yeah, but apparently this technique that he 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.000 teaches is like a lot of people teach it, but 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.560 for some reason in the swim world in La, a 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.920 bunch of the people that teach it will not get vaccinated. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.800 And it's like you're going to be up close with 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.240 a child in a pool during a pandemic, like you 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.840 have to get vaccinated. So we found like the one 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.359 guy who gets vaccinated, and so it was so hard 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.160 to book him and worth every fucking penny. He's so 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.440 hard In advanced did you book him, Like, I honestly 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.120 could look at my emails. I think I started in 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.520 January emailing him and we solidified it by February because 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:34.440 he books up. Wow. Yeah, and it was amazing. Yeah, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.200 and it was a lot of money. It was for 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.480 what you would say, eight days, thirty minutes a day, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.680 that's four hours total. It's quite a bit of money, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:48.200 but honestly worth every penny. He is so good like 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.160 and he's probably doing a bunch of I mean this 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.840 that guy is Oh no, he's zooming around town. He 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:58.600 drives a tesla. He literally get like Rosie. The first 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.400 couple of days, she cried. Obviously she's nervous, and she 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.920 still did everything, Like while crying, she did everything he 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.640 told her to do, you know what I mean, Like 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.840 it wasn't like a like with me. She'll just cry 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.040 and stop and shut down. This guy has a way 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.200 of like talking to these kids. It's really there should 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.639 be a documentary about him. He's like my octopus teacher 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:22.480 for fucking kids. Like he's so amazing. Yeah, I mean, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:23.640 I am getting competitive. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.000 I I did stop teaching swim lessons I think my 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:29.440 senior year of high school. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.040 But I was good it also is impossible to book you. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.400 That is true, really too hard. I don't have these skills. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.920 I don't think they would respect me. The kids that 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.560 I know, there's a predetermined relationship where they're like Liza, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.480 like she Rosie would just be talking about all your tattoos. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.920 Yeah, like it when we're Oh I did book a 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:49.880 tattoo appointment. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.760 So you have been near someone. I just got one 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.360 of those COVID things. You've been near someone with COVID, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.240 go like yourself. How are we still getting those? Yeah, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:01.200 we all have it. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.840 Leave us alone. We're onto the next monkey pox. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.240 Oh no, yeah, by the way, if you can get 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.840 I don't know. I was listening to another podcast with 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.720 Alaska and Wilhelm, and Alaska was like, went to get 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.760 the monkey pox's vaccine and was like, I am a 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.840 gay man, I am a entertainer. I am in the population, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.320 hugging people traveling to different countries. I qualify. And they 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.440 were like, you need a doctor's note saying that you qualify. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.080 Like they're making it annoying for people to get monkey 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:28.839 pox's vaccines. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.159 Yeah, well because it's like they think it's a gay 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.039 thing or something. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.559 Yeah, and it's just sad that we haven't learned anything 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.560 from COVID, Like I thought the next RESI we. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.200 Learned nothing from anything. We're burning books. 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.800 I just like they're taking Judy Bloom out of the libraries. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.160 I mean, we are living in fucking a Ray Bradberry 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 short story. Like, I don't know what to say but 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.640 the good news. And I know we're in the time 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.839 machine and this is very old news by now, but 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.120 I was really happy to see that Kansas News this 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.120 morning when I woke up the in Kansas they voted 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:06.719 overwhelmingly to keep abortion protections in their in their constitution, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.680 their state constitution. And I just think that's seventy five 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.640 percent of this country is pro abortion. Stop it. Everyone 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.599 needs to stop Christian NICs. Yeah, but the problem is 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.560 the twenty five percent that are pro abortion. That's what 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.040 they vote on, Like, they'll vote on that over anything else. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.120 Jared's grandmother votes on abortion only. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.480 I mean, in the words of your husband, they're soft headed. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:36.159 Yeah, I don't know they're true to true, But what 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.320 of that? What else is going on summer fune, I. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.320 Don't even know. I'm just you know, trying to. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.720 Get through things going things when this airs, I think 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.880 they'll be in upstate New York or in Manhattan and 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.640 Brooklyn vibes. So I don't know. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.760 Yes, I don't know what to say. Yeah, I just 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.159 don't know if I can pack again. Like my my 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.880 mental well being is truly hinged unpacking, and it's I can't. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.120 I wonder if there's someone you could pay to help 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.279 you or like do a task gravity person, like who's 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:09.840 like an organ? 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.800 Suitcases are so heavy and I'm just lugging it miserable, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.359 and then the every Uber driver's upset with me, and 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.360 it's like I don't like this either, sir, Like this 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.040 isn't exciting for me, but. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:21.760 At least I met. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.719 When you travel to New York, it's better because you 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.599 drop off laundry everywhere. It may like drop off laundry 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.840 being the standard in New York is like have it's 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:32.479 just the best. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.479 Yeah, I love drop off laundry. I used to love. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.359 Oh my gosh, I really love that I have my 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.200 own laundry now and I have to do it myself, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.800 and you know, it's not my favorite, but I guess 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:43.560 it is convenient. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.120 No, the house is fine too, but like having these 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.520 people that are incredible, they fold it. It's in a vat. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.560 It's like it's heaven. It was heaven, and I like 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.719 picked my apartments to make sure there was one close. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.760 Oh yeah, Oh my god. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.240 I was like always with a Santa sac going down 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.440 the street every couple of weeks. Yeah. I don't want 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.479 to do that, but yeah, summer fun. I mean, my 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.160 birthday is August thirty first. Oh, this episode comes out 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.880 the day before your birthday. So my birthday is August 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:17.360 thirty first, so am tomorrow. Yeah. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.760 So I already made reservations like about two months ago 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.800 for a lunch at laburnaden a little three course action, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.080 not the full tasting menu. But it's been a dream 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.880 to go to La Bernadette. And I'm going with two 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.320 like foody top chef fans. So they know who Eric 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:38.600 Repair is, so that's nice. That's gonna bet. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:39.640 I don't actually know that. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.720 You know, Repair, he's the king of seafood. He looks 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.960 like King Triton, like white hair, blue eyes, French accent, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.440 and he he is just the king of seafood really 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.880 and just the standard in the world. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.920 And that's what Laburnadonne is. Yeah, that's his restaurant. Oh, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.000 I didn't know it was seafood. I assumed it was 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.000 just like fancy French. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:04.120 No, and he sadly was best friends with Bourdain. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.320 They are best buds. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.280 Oh so he'll he like cried like they were best buddies. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.160 But yeah, just like a New York King, French legend 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.800 and a great you know, Top Chef. There's lots of 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.640 cooking shows, but Top Chef does get the highest caliber 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.480 of chefs in the world come on that show and 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.600 so you get to learn. I got to learn about 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.239 all the best chefs through Top Chef. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.360 Yeah, and you know I have I have met Padma, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.160 Tom Calichio, and Gail in different ways throughout my life, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.360 so I have had some action with each of them, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.120 which makes me thrilled. Tadma came to my stand up 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.240 show in New York one time that I ran every week, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.360 but I wasn't there. She was at the cellar and 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.480 she was in all light and I saw her and 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.520 it was an angel, an angel and white Gail. I 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.240 saw Molly at the Lizzo concert. Oh, yes, I was 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:56.800 with you, but I didn't see Gail. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.920 Yeah, and she just like came at me like an angel. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.760 And then Tom Colikio, I did an MSNBC News. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.600 I remember that. I do recall that you got to 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.200 do that with Tom Klicks. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.360 Yeah, it was huge, went to Strip House before then 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.439 got carbon monoxide poisoned in the night. I mean, life 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.320 is really an up and down journey. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.880 I really like, I don't I just gave up on 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.240 Top Chef even though I loved it. I really liked 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.480 that here, like I just don't have time and it's 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.319 the same thing every season. Even though I loved it, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.240 I loved seeing what they did and I was like, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.880 this is there's so much talent, you know. But yeah, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:35.240 I just. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:36.680 Dip in and out. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.840 But I did watch The Master like The Masters all Winners, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.760 or like the best of the Best like Battle of 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.640 Champions and then the Hottest Person Ever Melissa One. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.080 And yeah, and I do love going to one of 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.000 their restaurants if I'm in a place where there's like 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.120 a When I hear about a Top Chef person's restaurant, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.240 I'm like, oh, that will be good, you know, as 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.559 opposed to like, I don't know a lot of other 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.760 shows I wouldn't miss. I would never really like hunt 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.680 down the winners to go do something. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.000 No, because Chops is trying to fuck you, Like all 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.000 the others are trying to fuck you in weird ways. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.080 But Top I mean, Top Ship's trying to fuck you. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.080 But it's in. It's just classier. It's just Bravo is classier. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.760 Like I don't know what to say. Bravo is a 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.600 caliber of reality competition television that not many outside of 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.760 Drag Race have been able to emulate. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:28.160 Yeah, yeah, can you imagine you to hear? First, drag 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.000 Race moved to Bravo. Can you imagine? 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:30.760 No? 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.040 But I'm you know, I'm listening. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.800 I listened to Brian Moylan's book and like Bravo, I mean, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.440 Project Runway moving to Lifetime was like sad and wild. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.920 It did decrease the brand and like, okay, yeah, Carley 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.040 Kloss's dumb ass. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.280 So I stopped watching when they moved to Lifetime. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.480 I was still pretty hooked, but once Carl Closs came 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.800 clamping her way in, I said, no, thank you, no 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.320 thank you. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:11:00.679 I mean it was disgusting to me. Oh god, but yeah. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.600 Just high class, like the high class people were on 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.200 Project Runway, you know, like real everybody. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.439 Those are like good reality shows too, because everyone's very 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.680 talented it's not make Yeah. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.120 Sometimes I watch compilations of Michael Corer's giving criticism on 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.000 Project Runway. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.599 Frankly I was underwhelmed. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.840 Well also his architectural digests I love because there's like 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.640 vases everywhere and finally goes, I mean, we just love 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:33.520 a vessel in this house. But he has a fucking 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.480 penthouse in the West Village and I think that's like 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.480 the ultimate dream, Like I can't think of anything more 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:39.440 somebody who. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.600 I really think he is so funny and I know 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.920 he's talented, but I do not like his stuff when 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.920 I see it in stores. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.080 In stores he's like ready to wear. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.199 Not as much, but his red carpet shit is amazing, Like, oh, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.760 Okate Hudson always looks amazing in it. His Michael Core's 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.280 red carpet dresses I think are always yea, his. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.120 Picture stuff is probably really nice and his his his 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.280 his red well Lauren Taylor stuff's not doing it for me. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.680 But I think his red carpet looks like if you 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.280 just google, I think you would be into them, to 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.520 be honest, because you like a chikh simple vibe. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.560 Yes, yes, so I think you would like him. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.800 But even sap Posen like like touching the fabric, the 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.760 way they talk about smooth stitching. It's just like I 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.240 just love people that love what they do and watching 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.720 them like care about the contestants. I mean, I think 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.679 that's why RuPaul wins Emmy after Emmy, because he is 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.600 like whatever you hear if he's like about how personal 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.720 he is outside or like while he's working, but like 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.280 you could see, he cares about these queens and he 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.440 cries and he has moved, and he wants them to 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.920 succeed and live good lives and he is on their side. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.000 And that's what makes it so good when like the 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.280 fucking judge's care. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.120 Yeah yeah, and he yeh ru has launched the careers 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.360 of a thousand ships, you know, like but. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.840 He changed every like dry like it became it's mainstream. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.240 Kids are going to DragCon, Like who would have thought 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:04.240 that thirty years ago? 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.199 Yeah, oh my god, that's so funny. I just we'd 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.760 have Rosie and Oscars. Kid badges from DragCon are like 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.559 part of the toys they play with. And I was 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.480 just picking them up and like hanging them up earlier. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.720 I was like thinking to myself, Wow, I bet conservatives 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.199 would hate that I have like two badges to draggon 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.880 hanging in my kids rooms, just the worst. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.360 It's like, why don't you start with the Catholic Church. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.680 It's just like they're just bonkers, just hateful, bonkers people. 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.280 How do we always end up. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:36.360 We always enraging, like yes, against the Christian right, we 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.160 try it. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.560 I guess it's oppressive. I mean that's the whole point. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.560 It's like it's overbearing and nuts and it feels but 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.400 not really, we're not near it. I don't know. It's 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.200 all very strange. Yeah, all right, I'm sorry. I just 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:54.480 went on a weird speech about reality TV show judges, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.439 and I might I'm ashamed, But I don't think you 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.000 should feel passionate. And I think you are that person 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.160 and who is passionate about things, and television is one 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.640 of the things you are passionate about. Yes, yes, yes, 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.720 all right, let's get started speaking of passion for television. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.439 Hungary, let's get this going. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.120 Today's episode. I'm excited. This is a fucking banger of 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:13.920 an up, so let's get into it. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:14.560 Bang or no. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.720 Cara text to me being like, oh my god, I 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.920 forget this episode's fucking incredible. So oh Before we start, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.960 we have to mention if you have not seen our 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.800 posts on Instagram and social media, we are going on tour, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.880 so check out all of the cities that we're going 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.240 to buy some tickets. Let's sell out, we'll meet all 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.680 of you, We'll get drunk. I can't wait. We'll be 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.440 in the Midwest, the East Coast, southeast, South Texas, everywhere 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.760 that you live, we will be there. Except the Dakotas. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.520 No one wants to go there, so you got to 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.800 start traveling. But we can't wait to be everywhere. And 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.200 I can't wait to meet you guys. So check out 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.080 all of our tour info, visit our website, and we'll 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.200 be promoting the shit out of it. So get ready 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.440 to hear about this tour for the next six months. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.640 All right, let's get into today's episode Criminal, Season five, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.640 episode twenty one. Oh this aired on four to twenty. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.760 Lisa in two thousand way, hell yeah, it's a four 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.480 twenty episode, baby, And. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.240 Should I spark a bowl, I would do it two 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.880 thousand and four. Yeah, Well, I wouldn't smoke a joint 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.080 because I respect you, but. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.200 Maybe a baby boy. I wouldn't care. So up in 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.120 season five, is a banger of a season like we've done. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.800 When I was going through the Hulu, I was like, wait, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.040 we've done that one, that one that we've done a 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.040 lot of Season five episodes. I think they were really 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.640 hitting their stride and it was a hot season. So 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.360 we open on a cold New York day and a 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.040 marigold salesman. There's like a man pulling a pushcart with 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.600 of marigolds, like we're in the old world. I've never 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.160 literally never seen someone selling flowers out of the back 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.880 of a pushcart like that in Central Park. But this 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.120 man's like he's arguing with a cop who's on horseback 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.240 and he's like, come on, like, you gotta get this 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.560 crime scene out of my way. It's rude in my business. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.640 Or they made him move because of a crime scene. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.160 You can't really tell what's going on here, but this 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.920 flower man is mad. And then the cop radio's in 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.160 and is like, hey, uh who which cop is working 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.680 the crime scene in the Rambles And that's a part 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.040 of Central Park, a famous part of Central Park called 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.200 the Ramble, And they're woman on the radio is like, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.800 no crime scene there, and the cop who has dismounted 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.040 at this point is like confused. He goes under the 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.240 tape and he's like, no, it's still taped off. It's 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.200 got to be something, and she's like, nothing is reported there, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.680 and then just at that moment, he brushes back some 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.440 leaves and uncovers the bare legs of a dead body. Done. Done. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.760 So now we are with CSU Captain Judith Ciper, who 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.680 is filling in Stabler, saying the killer went out of 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.640 his way to screw us on this one because the 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.040 body's been out there for a few days. The crime 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.120 scene is quite literally cold, and Stabler says, well, points 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.400 for creativity. I've never seen a perp cordon off their 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.120 own crime scene. And Cyper's like, you can kind of 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.600 get police tape anywhere, so it's throwing up that hard 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.680 and I was like, yeah, I actually have some right here. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.640 I can like see police tape where I am right 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.720 now from when we did a photo shoot. Yeah. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.359 Like if you're a true sociopath, that's like a prank 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.000 you can pull on someone, Yeah, and in crime tape 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.680 around their house exactly. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.840 And in this show we've done, we've had people buy 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:22.760 full cop uniforms like impersonate myriad professions, so easy to 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.480 get police tape, you can get uniforms and shit too, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.679 So the woman has no idea she died a strangulation. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.560 Melinda said she was probably sexually assaulted as well, but 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.240 she's been out here for a long time, so we 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.880 won't really know until the autopsy. And they point out 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.959 that her fingernails were clipped post mortem, and Stabler's like, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.600 how do you guys know that? And then Benson, who 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.560 is now here and she's with the body. She's like 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.760 a real curly girl. Yeah, her and Melinda just use 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.280 their girl power knowledge together and they're like, lady, shit, 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.359 she has a fresh many petty. No one cuts their 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.840 nails down after a fresh manny, like, get with it. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.840 So they know what has happened. This person knows forensics, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.440 they put up this crime scene tape. They're like, maybe 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.720 we're looking for a cop. And that's how this cold 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.919 open ends. And I really love that this show. Benson 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.720 is Stabler will a lot of times be like maybe 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.000 it's a cop, you know, like and so many other 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.199 like whenever it is a cop that did it, you 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.360 don't find out for forever because no one will ever 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.600 even think of that, you know, like and in other 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.560 shows that's always a huge twist, like it was one 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.800 of us, because no one ever suspects that it's cops. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.879 But Benson and Stable are like, oh, we're very well 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.960 aware that cops are trash sometimes, so they're always like, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.320 could be one of us. So now we're at the 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.520 morgue and Melinda and Benson are gazing at the dead 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.280 body through a window, and Melinda is convinced that this 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.760 is like an inside job. This guy just did everything right. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.960 There's no fluids, there's no hair, there's no prints. And 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.440 then he must have choked her while holding something over 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.359 her mouth, because Melinda did find one thing which was 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.480 a fiber in the victim's mouth or throat, and it 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.280 is oil skin cotton, and she must have aspirated the 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.960 fiber during the attack, like it's from whatever he held 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.880 over her mouth, and she says it could be from 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.800 a raincoat gloves, and the bruce pattern means the person 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.080 that strangled her did it with their left hand, so 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:12.119 it's a left handed person. And then after he killed 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.800 this woman, he and we say he, it's nine times 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.240 out of ten it's a man. After this person killed her, 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.159 he rubbed her down with rubbing alcohol and gave her 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:27.240 a douche and I was like, yikes, yikes, I just 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.399 I don't like the word. I don't like to think 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.520 about it happening with rubbing alcohol just all over. Not 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.520 fun for me. I calling people douche lords though oh 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.960 yeah yeah yeah as an infault. I like it fine 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.040 as a process to clean out your vagina. I don't 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.840 like the idea of it, especially because I think douching 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.080 is like completely unnecessary and like created. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.960 Yeah, but then like porn stars do do that, sure, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.640 it depends like what your trade is, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.439 I don't think it's encouraged. 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.280 I feel like just like vagicill like created, like you've 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.360 got to be doing this, ladies. If you're not, you're 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.639 not fresh down there. And it's everything is marketing. Yeah, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.520 like Razor, like women didn't shave before. Advertising execs said, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.600 you guys are gross come out with that. And that's 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:14.240 why it's. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.760 So silly that people who think they're like they're just 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.840 such marks for companies and government. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.760 It's so weird, you know, like you're so you hold 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.080 like these people hold these. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.480 Beliefs so strong, but it's not they're not even real, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.320 Like you're just simping for advertising execs. 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.600 Like your whole frame of mind is built on people 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.080 tricking you to make money, and you think that you're 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:44.119 like this clever person. Right yeah, it's against like women 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:48.160 having hairy arms. But really you just love advertising, well 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.320 you love money? Yeah? 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:52.679 Do that make sense? Should? 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.440 I didn't even smoke a bowl. If you guys are. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.639 Wondering, people, wow, something switch, keep it in, keep it in. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.240 So uh. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.679 Melinda says that also she found a small piece of 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.320 latex and you can tell, like from a condom, and 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.480 you can tell that it's like that the condom broke 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.359 from the tear pattern on this small piece and the brand. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.040 She was able to match it to the brand, which 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.159 is called Twisted Desire. Now, I know in a former 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.040 episode rough Rider condoms ended up being real. We thought 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.800 they were fake and they were real, So of course 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.480 I googled Twisted Desire to see if they were real. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.560 They're not real, but Trojan does have something called Twisted Pleasure, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.800 so check it out. What is now emit heat? 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:34.960 Yeah? 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:39.359 No, I think it's like the the contouring of the 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.480 condom is like, you know, ribbed in like a twist 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.280 because ooh, that's gonna feel better. It's like it's probably 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.159 not anyway. They also get a match on the victim 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.520 Prince and they finally identify this poor dead woman as 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.960 Rebeccah Wheeler. She lives at Claremont one hundred and seventh 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.159 and her time of death was sometime last week and 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.760 she ate right before she was killed because Melinda found 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.960 a bunch of undigested sushi in her stomach. So find 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:03.920 out what time she ate, you'll get her time of death. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.880 So now we're at Rebecca's apartment and. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.120 That's straight from a forensic files. Like that shit's real. Yeah, 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.880 Like they do contents of stomach to solve christ. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.040 I remember Michael Baden doing that all the time, like 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.800 figuring out the stomach stuff, yeah, or like where the 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:19.159 maggots are in their growth. 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.240 Really cool love forensic times. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.880 At Rebecca's apartment, they do find the sushi receipts Friday night, 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.199 eight oh five. She got a bunch of sushi obviously 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.159 enough for two, so she was eating with another person. 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.919 Craigan is there and he thinks it could still be 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.880 a cop. Rebecca has all this stuff up on her wall, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.399 like stop police brutality free Paedro Sanchez, so she's somehow 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.439 involved in you know, the justice system, and Huang is 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.440 there ready to profile. He says, this killer is organized, intelligent, 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.840 and has a good knowledge of forensics. Their postcrime behavior 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.800 was meticulous, like the way he sanitized the body. And 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.800 then Benson finds a turkey baster in the bathtub. That's 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:58.240 the most SBU line I've ever take. 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.200 But you know what else? It could be the housewives. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.440 What do you mean, Well, there was a vibrator in 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.240 the chicken that one time, So I'm just saying, like, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.640 turkey baster in the bathtub is the most ASIV line, 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.200 But it could very easily be. 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:15.400 A house easily easily. These women are shitting all over 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.480 the place on luxury vacations. Trusts, it could be anything. 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.760 So Benson thinks the pert probably filled that with rubbing 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.719 alcohol and that was used for like the douche, and 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.000 it's like we connected it with the turkey baster. But 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.159 she's hammering the point home and Stabler's like, why not 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:30.920 just dump the body in the river and like let 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.080 all the evidence just you know, wash away, And Huang's like, 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.119 because he cared about her, he laid her gently in 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.320 the park, he posed her, he covered her with leaves. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.160 This person cared about her. So the crime scene tape 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.520 was a message to the cops that he's smarter than them. 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:45.879 And then we find out that Rebecca was taking grad 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.800 courses in criminal justice at Wallace University, which is a 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.320 university on the show we have not heard of before, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.240 and maybe maybe we hear again, never again, I mean 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:56.800 have to I'll have to keep my eyes open for 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.840 Wallace as we keep going with our podcast. But it 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.560 doesn't ring any bells. So they go to Wallace. They 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.920 speak to her professor. His name is Javi or Vega 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.760 and he is played by James McDaniel. This man has 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.880 an extensive IMDb. I know that he's very famous for 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.320 being a regular on NYPD Blue back in the day. 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.560 He was one of the regular people on that so 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:20.119 famous working actor. And he says everyone loved Rebecca and 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.239 stablers are like, yeah, but she did go missing for 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.600 a week, like and no one reported it, like what 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.160 And he's like, she was taking time off to finish 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.480 her thesis and then they were asking like did she 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.000 have a boyfriend? Blah blah blah. He's like, I don't 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.720 think she dates that much. And what about her police record. 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:35.640 She has a charge for obstruction, that's how they got 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.359 her prints, and he explains, like that was dropped. She 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.199 was interviewing an X con and she got caught in 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.120 a drug sweep. So and they're like, okay, well how 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:44.600 did she hang out with a lot of X cons? 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.600 And Vega's like, I don't like your tone. It sounds 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.479 like you're referring to X cons as lepers and Benson's like, no, no, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.760 we just like want to know what's up. Like he 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.400 tells her that Rebecca's thesis is on convict re entry 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.840 and how the system sets up ex convicts to fail 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.840 when they come back out of incarceration. And smug Stabler 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:04.800 like he's got that look on his face and he goes, 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.560 how so like because he believes every criminal is a 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.360 horrible person because he's got that angel devil shit from 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.919 his Catholic upbringing, and that there's no nuance and no 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.639 one can be rehabilitated. So the guy goes, well, they 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.560 get dropped off from Rikers with five dollars and then 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.000 he says, quote and all the horrors and dealers lined 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.680 up to take it from them, so they don't exactly 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:28.919 get a head start when they head out of prison. 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.920 And Rebecca was trying to help them, and they're like, well, 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.280 did she see any sex offenders and he says, well, 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.199 rapists almost impossible to rehabilitate. She wanted uneducated screw ups 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:39.800 and junkies, and she wanted to help them get their 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.960 lives together. And he doesn't really know about any specific 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.080 inmates she was working with. She just gives them the 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.000 name Kyle Lherman and says that's her research partner. He'll 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.359 know what you're looking for. So we go talk to 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.800 Kyle Lherman and he's like crackheads, speed freaks, and muggers. 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:58.520 She interviewed every inmate it sing sing within six months 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.880 of their release, and he seems like he's like her 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.960 job was, like she's a bleeding heart, Like I didn't 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.800 really care about her stuff, like I care about the 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.240 numbers and like the you know, the math of it 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.520 all because he's a dork. And then he gives vents 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.440 and all the records and his alibi for Friday night 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.639 is that he got so wasted and his friends had 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.520 to pour him into bed, and it's like you seem 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.440 like you'd be like a really whiny drunk, you know 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:20.880 what I mean. He seems like a guy who would 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.720 just get drunk and be like, no one wants to 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.080 kiss me, you know. He just seems like that. And 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:30.280 so he says what I just said, He's like, I 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.199 crunch the numbers, Rebecca does the people work. And he 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.400 tells the story about how Rebecca helped a guy who 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.879 relapsed because he found out his kid had cancer, like 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:39.840 right as he got out of jail, and she even 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.320 got in bed with him to help him with like 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.440 the withdrawal symptoms. But then they're like, well, where's he 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.399 and he's like dead, he died. He owed it a 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.320 week later. So it's like, why are you telling them 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.480 this story? Like he's not the killer. I don't know 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.960 why this story is like relevant. So then there's another 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.400 guy who he sensitively calls a crackhead. 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.919 Well, it's to set up their perception of Rebecca that 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:02.119 she's just like, you know, opening up for all these 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.359 for Alex con Yeah, that she that she's too trusting, 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:09.560 too into them or whatnot. 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.920 Too willing to do anything to help. Yeah. So then 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.320 Kyle starts telling them the story about this crackhead. They 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.840 say crackhead in this episode a thousand times. I'm not 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.520 using that word. I'm like repeating what's being said in 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:25.119 the episode. I don't know. I feel like it seems insensitive, 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.160 but I yeah, all the there's so many bad words 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.520 where it's like, can they just mean something different so 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.480 we can use them. That's how I feel sometimes. But 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.439 well also because you say crackhead about people and then 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.520 it's like what they do Heroin that's not crack So like, 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.320 I don't know, there's all these different it feels like 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.000 crackhead encompasses a lot of people on this show. Anyway. 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.359 This guy was trying to get clean and he was 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.840 obsessed with Rebecca. Whenever she walked into Sing Sing, he'd 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.399 give her a big hug, tell her how much he 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.560 loved her, and that creeped Kyle out. And Rebecca was 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.440 actually fine with him until he tried to kiss her 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.080 and then she walked out. But then two days later 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.359 she was back helping this guy. Who is this guy 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:12.520 his name is Rudy something. Okay, So in the next scene, uh, 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.480 we find out that the guy's name is Rudy lem Key. 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.200 He's got a long rap sheet of crimes, mostly like 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.480 you know, mostly sort of petty crimes, drugs, theft, stuff 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.720 like where he's in jail for. He's in prison for 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.800 a year to eighteen months or something, and she gave 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.360 Rudy her phone number so that he could like call 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.280 her at any time, so they were in touch. And 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.600 Craigan goes, quote sounds like she got off talking to 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.880 bad boys, and I'm like, or she just wants to 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.640 help people. Everyone is just shitting on this woman who 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.840 wants to help people. I wouldn't call like like people 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.960 with serious drug problems bad ooh a bad boy ooh. 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:50.600 Like I don't think that's what was going on with 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.560 this woman. So he got paroled two weeks ago and 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.880 he's at his wife's it turns out and they go 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.120 to the apartment and the wife obviously has like I've 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:01.640 barely seen him since he got out of prison. He 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.560 came around here trying to have sex and I was like, 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.080 I'm with Dre now and I like her. She's got 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.720 a fun attitude. And Benson's like, well, the parole board 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:10.720 thinks he's here, and she's like, what am I supposed 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.160 to do? Just like let him Roten jail if he 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.200 has nowhere else to go, and Benson's like, yeah, but 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.520 lying about his place of residence is like a big no. No, 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.560 He's going to have to go back to prison now 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.440 because he violated his parole. And Stabler's like, and also 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.160 if he committed a crime while he was out, you're 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.720 an accessory. And I don't know if I think that's Stabler. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.360 I think that's Stabler pushing it. And she goes, are 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.720 you playing me? And Stabler's like, why don't you fuck 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.720 around and find out? And so she tells them when 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.520 I kicked him out, I said, go sleep at Saint 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.280 AM's with like the homeless people. So now they're at 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:39.640 Satam's homeless shelter. 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.320 Which is something I learned recently that like getting into 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.520 shelters and all the rules and all of that is 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.479 actually very hard. Yeah, and that a lot of people 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.720 that are on house preferred to be on the streets 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.680 then within the shelters because people steal from them. 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:56.800 Yeah, there's a lot of crime. 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.040 Sometimes you have to pay for a bed to get 0:29:59.080 --> 0:29:59.440 in there. 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:00.480 Really. 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.520 Yeah, there's just like it's just not as I mean, 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.520 it's like most things when people are dismissive of people's 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.160 struggles and it's like, why don't you just go do 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.360 that and it's like yeah, actually it's really hard to 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.640 do that, or yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to follow 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.600 these rules, or you can't be gay if it's in 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.960 a church or whatever it is. Yeah, there's just like 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.120 barriers to a shelter, even though they make it seem 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.600 like it's this easy thing to do, yeah yeah, and 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.400 or a pleasant thing too, Yeah, because I remember I 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:34.560 volunteered at like a shelter once for domestic violence, and 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.719 it's like a lot of the women didn't like the rules. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.920 It's like they got come from the as like abusive places, 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.560 and then they have to follow all these rules and 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.600 sometimes it's too oppressive and it's like there's just I 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:44.680 don't know, sh it's tough. 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.120 Yeah, because at the same time, without rules, you know, 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.160 isn't she gonna like just run them up? 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.840 Like I just think it makes people it's like easier 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.640 than for people to blame these people for individual flaws 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.320 and like see it as a system. Because even when 0:30:58.360 --> 0:30:59.960 you talk about women, it's like why didn't you leave 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.040 you go to a shelter, And it's like because you 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:03.560 have to be in by nine o'clock and I work 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.360 a night job, and I don't like whatever it is totally. 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:09.080 I just I only learned. 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.520 That recently about the homeless shelters, that they're actually like 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.160 not as simple. I mean the Pursuit of Happiness kind 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:16.960 of cover like showed that a little bit. 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.840 Oh, I never remember saw that movie with Will Smith. No, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.040 I didn't like the way that happiness was spelled in 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.920 the title, and I wouldn't see it. I knew it well. Also, 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.280 Curly Sue, remember her little ring gets stolen? 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:28.800 You know? 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.360 Yeah, Okay, it always goes back to Curly Sue always. 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.200 I love Little Curly. This is not the first time 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.600 I've brought up Curly Sue on the top. There's no 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.760 fucking way, all right, I interrupted again in a weird 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.320 stone moment. I don't know what's happening to me talk about. 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.320 I think it's very appropriate for this very special four 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.160 twenty episode. 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:49.440 I also love. 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.000 The name Rudy. Rudy. We have a friend who has 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.040 a little girl named Rudy. It's a cute ass name. 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.200 So at the Saint Ann's Homeless Shelter, Benson and Stabler 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.880 are there kind of helping their their bff, Sister Peg. 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.800 Stabler's like moving a huge pot or something, and he's like, oh, 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.040 what did you get tired of handing out condoms to 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.640 the hookers? And it's like stay, but why is everyone 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.360 being so rude to people who help people in this episode? 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.160 Like everyone's just like trying to help people, and they're like, yeah, 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:20.160 these people kind it's about law and order and punishment. Yeah, 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.520 crime and punishment. And Sister Peg just gives out condoms. 0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.880 She doesn't do anything else of value anyway. She goes, 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.280 I go where my girls go. We love we love 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.840 Sister Peg, and they show her a pick of Rudy 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.960 and Stabler kind of manipulates her and is like, well, 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.160 we think he killed and raped a sister Peg type, 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.280 like someone like you who was just out here trying 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.200 to help out X convexx and like because of that, 0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:47.200 Sister PEG's like, okay, fine, he there he is. He's 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.680 over there. He's the guy with the shopping cart, So 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.320 they go try to talk to him. He obviously freaks 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.680 pushes a shopping cart at Stabler, but then tries to escape. 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.920 Benson slams his ass against the wall. It's rivaling wweo 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.880 here at the homeless shelter and then we see Rudy 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.800 is played by Dougie Doug an actor who is from 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.480 Cool Runnings, a very well known actor and that was 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.200 like one of his big movies. So they grab Rudy 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.000 and they're like, oh, is this like what you used 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.120 to cut your bodies around? And he's like, what bodies? 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.360 I didn't do anything. Like he's immediately like what did 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.760 I do? Like what's going on? And then they find 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.680 in his shopping cart they find Vega's book about criminal 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.400 justice and like you know, of forensics and stuff like that, 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.280 and they're like, oh, you're trying to learn some tricks 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.640 and he's like, I'm just trying to educate myself and 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.720 they're like, more like trying to cover up your crimes. 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.040 And so now we're at the precinct. 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:39.160 But this is also like when it's like aren't you detectives? 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:40.920 Can't you tell this dude is high and not? 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.040 It like not smart enough to start like rubbing alcohol, 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.160 clipping nail Like I just so sometimes I'm like, how 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.520 did you become detectives? 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.560 Yeah? You know this guy, Yeah, this guy did not 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.320 do all this like wrap the crime scene. This guy 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.440 does not think he's smarter than the cops. You know 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:03.200 what I mean, Like, while that Huang gave you, it 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.000 ain't Rudy, like love Rudy. I want Rudy to get 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.200 back on his feet. It's not Rudy. Rudy's not the 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.719 one not to get I feel like that gives away 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.959 for people that don't even watch the episode. But there's 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.759 only a few of you. So Benson walks into the 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.160 fish bowl as Lisa calls it and says, she's like, 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.600 I got the cherry. On the Sunday, the sushi delivery 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.520 drivers remembers Rudy being at Rebecca's place. So then Benson 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.799 goes in to interrogate Rudy and he's like, what she 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.759 bought me dinner? She's my friend, Like, yes, we ate 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.760 sushi together. And they're pushing this whole story that Rudy 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.160 just wanted to have sex, Rebecca resisted, he killed her 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.359 by accident, and then he used the book to cover 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.640 everything up. And he says, he's just like they're doing 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.120 the bullying thing, screaming in his face. He's high, he 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.319 doesn't know what's going on, and he goes, I didn't 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:49.960 mean to hurt anyone, And then they give up his 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.480 piece of paper and they're like, just start writing your confession, 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.600 and so, you know, they think they've got it right. 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.600 But then Craigan busts in and he goes, let me 0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.319 get a look at that book. So now we're in 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.560 the next Rooman's like, you guys talk to Javier Vega 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.840 and they're like, yeah, he's the law professor. What's the 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.800 big deal. Kragan's like, I collared him in nineteen seventy 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.840 six for killing a woman named Joanna Lewis while he 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.719 was on a three day heroin bender and he strangled 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:18.200 her with his left hand. They realize also that Rudy 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.480 is right handed. Didn't check any of that before. They 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.680 just got in Rudy's face screaming at him about how 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.960 he murdered someone, and he's very high, so it's probably 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.280 not him, and Kragan's like, it's Vega, it's Vega, it's Vega. 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.400 And he's like he tried to cover his ass with 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.839 that crime scene gag, like he would know exactly how 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.080 to do this, He's this professor of criminology. So they 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.200 go to Vega's house and when he doesn't answer the door, 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.160 they break down, the door, closets are empty, dressers are 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.000 cleared out. This guy got out of there in a 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.520 hurry and boom the cherry on the Sunday. As Benson says, 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:50.040 the condoms are twisted desire. 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:54.560 Which is so circumstantial, like you can't fucking use that core. 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.840 The brand of condoms is crazy circumstantial. They are sold 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:04.680 every Dwayne read. So Stabler is now downloading Craigan in 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.160 a walk and talk coming from the elevator. He's like 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.000 a neighbor remembers a two thousand and three LEXUSRX parked 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.480 outside of Rebecca's apartment the night of the murder. That's Vegas, 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.520 same model of car, and he's like, how did the 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.480 guy remember all that? And he's like, the guy's a mechanic. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.520 He talked about the car like it was Paris Hilton. 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.640 Love this reference, very two thousand and four. Perfect. Same 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.000 guy thought, I you know what. 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.200 I bet no one fucking thought that she would still 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.560 be relevant to this day and here she is. 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.640 Yeah, well, you know what, she had a dip in relevance. 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.439 I would say she had a dip and she's back 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.839 no up, just to us. 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.880 But she was DJing the world selling products in Tokyo, 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.960 fucking twenty five perfumes making bill, you know what I mean. 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.600 She's making so much money and she's successful. She's an entrepreneur, 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.840 she has an entrepreneurial spirit. I'm just saying she wasn't 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.640 like the blog fodder like I when I was working 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.120 in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, two 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.880 thousand and six. I mean, I was on Perez Hilton. 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.800 I was on fucking de listed every day reading everything 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.720 about this woman. And I'm saying, like, in the last 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:07.879 decade that's waned a little bit. But now she's kind 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:09.680 of back in with her mom's on the Housewives, she 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.600 got married on Peacock. You know, she's back. She's kind 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.640 of back in the public eye more, I would say. 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.640 And her documentary, I think, and. 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.919 That document I think it's got a lot of yes see, 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.040 a different side. I still have to watch it, but yes. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.279 So this same guy, this witness said he saw a 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.360 man in a black coat and a red scarf putting 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:29.920 a big bundle in the back of the car. And 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.160 the witness said it looked like, quote, a big ass 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.240 bag of crap. And then Cragan goes, did this poet 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.319 make a positive ID and I just I like the 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.880 dialogue there and they say, you know, they're like, Vega 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.000 has been clean since eighty eight, do you really think 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.920 he's going to relapse now? And Craigan's like, he's just 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.759 going back to who he really is, a thug and 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.319 a junkie. And Benson wants to know did he rape 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.040 the original victim and Craigan's like, well, we don't know 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:55.799 because he stuffed her in a steel drum and by 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.960 the time we found her she was partially decomposed, and 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.120 that we were they couldn't find evidence of that. So 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.600 they're like, he's come a long way though, like he's 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.680 a professor now, and Craigan's like, well, maybe Rebecca dug 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:08.319 up the truth about his past and he killed her 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.919 to keep quiet. Go back to Rebecca's files, go back 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.000 there and you know, find more. So back with the 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.960 dor Kyle at the office. He points them to the 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.279 files but says, you know, she never mentioned anything about 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.680 vegas past to me, and Vega never mentioned anything about 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.320 his past to me, and Kyle's like putting it all together. 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.320 He's like, oh, no, wonder he was such a good teacher. 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.239 He knew so much about prison life. I should have 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.640 guessed he was in prison. And he says that the 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.920 three of them, him and Rebecca and Professor Vega used 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.080 to go to Vega's house all the time for drinks 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.760 and to talk about their research. But last month Rebecca 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.200 started making excuses not to go, and once she said 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.640 she had concert tickets. But when he like later that night, 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.000 he found her in the office crying and she wouldn't 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.640 say why, and he told her, if you have a 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.680 problem with Vega, you better deal with it because he's 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.080 a really cool, supportive partner in grad school. And she 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.960 got really upset and cool Avice Kyle and so he 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.160 told her, like, if you if you're really that upset, 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.239 you should go talk to the dean. And now we're 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.520 at the dean's office at Wallace University and we find 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:12.040 out that this dean hired Vega because of his past. 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.879 He liked that. He was like, who would be better 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:16.880 to teach criminology than someone who's been part of the 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.200 justice system, part of you know, being has been incarcerated 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.279 and then has like you know, worked their way to 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.800 this level. So they kept it a secret because he 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.920 thought parents and donors wouldn't be so open minded, And 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.400 Stabler's like, I would want my kids being taught by 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.080 a murderer. And the Dean's like, well, he's a changed man. 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.480 Remember that prison is supposed to be for rehabilitation, not 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.800 just like punishment and slave labor. And the dean cannot 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.600 believe that Javier would have killed Rebecca, but he does 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.719 admit that Rebecca had an appointment next week to talk 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.320 to him about changing advisors. And the Dean believes Vega 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.560 and says, but also, I did get an anonymous letter 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.160 last week that demanded I fire Vega for covering up 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.719 his past. How exactly did he cover it up? I 0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.200 don't really know. He didn't change his name, like it's 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.279 all probably public record, like he just didn't mention it. 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.520 I don't think that's a cover up, you know what 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:08.920 I mean? I agree? Yeah. Benson and Stabler discuss the 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.239 possibility of rehabilitating killers, and she wonders if it's like 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.319 actually possible, and then Stabler goes, who knows? But then 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.399 he makes his opinion very clear, and he goes, once 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.160 a killer, always a killer. So it's like, well, it 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.120 sounds like, you know, you know your opinion about that, 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.320 and Benson's like, what about all that Catholic forgiveness? Remember 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.000 the Catholic forgiveness that all those pedophile priests keep getting. 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.279 And He's like, well, Jesus was perfect, I'm not. And 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:34.160 a Stabler quote for the Ages. Really suddenly I'm surprised 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.279 that he doesn't have that body that tattooed on his 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:40.280 body somewhere. Suddenly Stabler sees in the file that Javier 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.480 has a daughter named Gabrielle. We didn't know about this, 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.640 And guess what, she's a grad student right here at 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.960 Wallace University where her dad teaches. So now we're walking 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.600 and talking with her and it's Zoe Sell Donna, and 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.719 she is so pretty. I don't know what I know 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.759 her from. What do you know her from? She's just famous, 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:02.120 well Crossroads, cross Roads, But I think her big thing 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.239 was Avatar, and she's in Guardians of the Galaxy because 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.200 there's like a meme about how like she's in two 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:14.000 like billion dollar grossing mood like Franchisayalaxy and Avatar. But 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.800 I don't know, there must be something between this Sbu 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.840 and Crossroads and Avatar. She's done a ton of stuff. 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:21.759 She's done a ton of stuff. 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.239 Well, I know people were mad at her because she 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.920 was playing someone. She was playing Nina Simone, and people 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.000 were like really mad because they had to color her darker. 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.840 You know what I mean, Oh, because she's light. She's like, yeah, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.520 she was in the TV show Six Degrees. I guess. 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.920 I like, honestly, this is a blind spot actor for me. 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.080 I remember her from Center Stage. I do remember that. 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.640 That's one of her first moviesanter Exic, Right, yes, I 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.719 think so, I'm and the rest of her the rest 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.080 of her IMDb is just really not my stuff, Like 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.360 it's just not stuff I've watched. But yeah, my Avatar 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:59.360 is gorgeous. And I saw her on Cordon when I 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.000 went to be in the audience one time when my 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.360 husband worked on that show. So I've seen her up 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.160 close and she's pretty dude. 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.040 So in post production is Avatar, The Way of the Water, 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.239 Avatar three, four and five, and then also in post 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.920 production is Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three, and an 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:22.000 untitled Star Trek is in pre production. Truly could quit 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.040 working right now, never have to lift a finger the 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:24.719 rest of her life. 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.680 Crazy, Oh my god. 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.480 Yeah, I've never seen so many post production credits like 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.680 or pre production credit, like so many things in the works. 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.959 Did you see the Jamie Lee Curtis quote recently where 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.960 she they were like, would you do Marvel or Superhero? 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.279 She's like, I mean sure, but I'm scared they would 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.000 just have me in a warehouse covered in dots, acting 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:45.040 in a green screen. 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:50.319 And I just thought that was funny. I did tell 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.080 them it's amazing. Oh my god. Okay, so you've probably 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.160 seen it. It went viral, but it was so funny. She 0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.520 had like she had Leah Michelle, a hated person on 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:02.680 her podcast, and she goes and. 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.279 With James Groff he was there too. Oh yeah, three 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:06.200 of them, and did. 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.600 You guys win any Tony's And she goes, we won 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.640 eight Tony Awards and Jamielle Curtis goes, but you didn't, Leah. 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.359 And it's one of the funniest things. 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:19.040 Well, because Shade, I'm wondering if it's like, you know, 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.200 joyful Shade, or if it's like, oh, we worked on 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.160 Scream Queens and you're a dumb bitch, and I want 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.719 to make sure you know it, Like that's my curiosity. 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.799 I would love to know. It'll be the first thing 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:34.800 I ask when I meet Jamie Lee Curtis one day. 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.520 So people in the Housewives does make her more attainable. 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.120 We just have to go to a child hospital charity event. 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.560 Let's just get a table at an event. We'll find her. Yeah, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.719 we'll get to her. Lindsay Lohan really loves her. I 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.760 think Jamie Lee Curtis is like a beloved figure. 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.600 And oh yeah, she's married to Christopher Guest, who's one 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.000 of my favorite people of all time. I did know 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.320 that they were married. That's fun, crazy, right, power couple. 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:58.879 I don't think people knew that. 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:00.680 You really, I can't. 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.239 Believe she's never been in any of his movies. I 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.439 think she'd be fun and like in like those poes 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.320 that don't want to work to imprav movies. Yeah, that's true. 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.279 Maybe they okay to keep their marriage fresh and not 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:11.600 go to work together. 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:16.480 Yeah, another huge aside for me and Lisa Back. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.719 I know, but I'm happy to know about this Christopher Guest, 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.799 I know this Iss mcdorman's married to one of the 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:23.600 Cohen brothers. 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.359 Yeah, I like too. I like these but that makes 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.399 it like, I mean, that's not crazy because you see 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.160 her in all of their movies. You know what I mean, 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.800 Like you're kind of like, ah, she got to marry 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.960 one of them, you know. So Zoe Saldana is playing 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.000 his daughter and they're doing a very fast walk and 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.560 talk with her and she's like, I don't know where 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.640 he is, but I know he didn't kill anyone. And 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:45.279 they're like, okay, well, then why did she run? And 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:47.799 she says, because he knew that. When you found out 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.600 about his record, you would all you would see is 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.279 an ex khan and you would suspect him. And they're like, well, 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:56.080 he did murder someone thirty years ago, and she's like, 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.280 I don't know that person. My father found out about 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:00.480 me after my mom died. She he went to see 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.880 him in prison. That's why he got clean and started 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.600 going to school, wrote her every day, worked really hard 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.399 to make a good life for her. And she says 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:09.160 that was a stupid mistake he made when he was 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.440 a kid, and Benson's like, well, it's like murder, not 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.560 turnstile jumping, but okay, And then Zoe was like, well, 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:16.120 he was a different person when he was high. He's 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:17.960 been clean for sixteen years, but you guys do not 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:22.120 give a shit about that. And Benson's like, well, either way, 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.000 we need to find him so we can clear him. 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.239 And Zoe's like, well, I'm actually a law student and 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.359 I know you bitches lie all the time, so even 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.040 if I knew where he was, I wouldn't tell you. 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.799 And then Sabler goes right for the humiliation factor because 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.520 we're at her place of business right now. We're like 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.400 at her were at law firm or wherever she's working, 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.719 and he starts screaming does anyone know this man? Has 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.000 anyone seen this man? And like showing a photo of 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.640 her dad, and she's like, you guys are assholes, and 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.040 then she goes search all you want. He left the country, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.279 And so now we're filling Cragan and again at the 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.000 precinct and they're like, we don't think he left the country. 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.880 There's nothing on flights, nothing at the borders, like, we 0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.880 don't think this guy left or maybe hasn't left yet, 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.200 and Stabler is like, I think he's still in New 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:03.440 York because I think he doesn't want to leave his 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.799 daughter behind, and they like, oh, do you think she's 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.080 dumb enough to be hiding him? I think she would 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.400 do anything for him, And Craigan's like, bring her in 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.359 I'll talk to her. And Stabler's like, are you sure, bro, 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:17.399 you seem a little quote unquote involved, and Craigan's like, yeah, 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.279 he raped and murdered an innocent young girl. Of course 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.360 I'm involved. And then they're like, boom, a car and 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.040 Queen's just spotted his car. Craigan runs for the door, 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:26.959 even though Stabler says he can handle it, so stay. 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.400 You can tell that there's something personal about this for Cregan. 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:33.920 This is a Craigan heavy episode, Daddy Craigs. So in Queens, 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.560 they are inspecting Vegas car. Benson gets in and sniffs 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.080 around and insists that he's been traveling with an older 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.400 woman because her little bloodhound nose smells Lilli's and roses, 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.400 and that no one over sixty wear's that kind of perfume. 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.000 And Stabler's kind of like, you don't think his daughter 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.000 could have worn that perfume, and Benson's like, Gabrielle wears 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.240 sandalwood and Bergamott, and then she goes, women notice these things, 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.000 and I'm like, I do not. I actually have a 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.759 very good nose for perfumes. If it's a perfume, I know, 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:02.640 I'll be like, are you wearing Michael Cors Are you 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.480 wearing Ralph Lauren? Are you wearing I can smell perfumes 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.319 very well, but I don't know notes. I don't know 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.799 what they're made out of, Like, oh, is that Guardina? Like, 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:10.279 I don't know. 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.240 I can say I can always sense like a rose action. 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:17.320 I feel like roses. Oh really, I'm kind of and Lily's. 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.520 Do you have a very distinct But I would not 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.560 know sandalwood and Bergamont not me. 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.680 But you know, yeah, and then I can smell vanilla. 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:30.080 Yeah, the food ones so they spot a bus stop 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:30.760 near whatever. 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.440 Have the sprays from the drug stores that like smelled 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.440 like cotton candy or I had a gummy bear one. 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.279 I had a cotton candy hair hair spray that I 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.160 used to use when I smoked when I was like 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.640 a teen, not like a teen, but like in my 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.160 late twenteens and early twenties, I would spray to my 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.759 hair because my hair soaks up so much smell that 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.920 I didn't want my mom to like smell cigarettes on me. 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.600 And I always had like cotton candy hair perfume or whatever. Yeah, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.720 so funny. We were just a bunch of little sweet 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:03.880 sugar babies. Okay, So they spot on bus stop nearby. 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.239 They go talk to the driver, who tells them that 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.880 her root goes by a ton of cemeteries. Stablers like, 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.640 give me your newspaper. They look up Rebecca's funeral was 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:13.760 that morning, so boom, boom, boom, they're putting it together. 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.479 He must have been carrying flowers. She was wrong about 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:20.440 the perfume. He was going, that's crazy. To me, perfume 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.200 and fresh flowers smell so different. And I don't even 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.799 think fresh flowers linger No, Like that to me is bad. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.479 It's the s fail. 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.520 It's like silly, and it's like trying to I think 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.520 they're trying to do a bunch of moments where like 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.600 Benson is smarter than Stabler because she's a woman, Like 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:42.600 the nail polish, the flower perfume stuff like, it's like 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.160 women have a lot more observant powers than men do 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.920 in a lot of ways. You know, my husband notices 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:52.239 fucking nothing, you know. So I think they're trying to 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.560 make that point. I guess. Anyway, they're like, he's at 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.160 Rebecca's grape site. So they go there. They find the 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.719 Vegas standing by the grave site with flowers in his hand, 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.680 he's got his passport on him. They arrest him. He 0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.560 doesn't recognize Cragan right away, but Craigan goes, it'll come 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:08.799 back to you, and then they mirandize Vega and take 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:12.480 him away. In interrogation, it's come back to Vega and 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.560 he's like, Cragan, I should have known you were behind this, 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.440 which is like a such a comic book line. I 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:20.799 should have known it was you behind this. And Vega 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:22.799 said he had no choice put to run. You guys 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:24.360 were going to decide I was guilty as soon as 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.200 you heard that I was an ex con. And he 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.239 says he didn't do this and someone is setting him 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:32.160 up Rebecca, and Craigan points out Rebecca was strangled by 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.399 a lefty, she was raped by someone using your brand 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.880 of condoms, and dumped by someone driving your car. So 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:38.560 it's a lot. 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:40.759 But if he's so smart, why would he repeat all 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.319 those patterns? Like he's smart enough to set all that up, 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.239 but he would do it the exact, same, exact. 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.120 Way, And Vega says that he goes, I've spent the 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.480 last twenty years studying crime when I have covered my 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:51.560 tracks better, Like it's true if he would have wanted 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.120 to kill someone, he'd be like, the first thing he 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:54.520 would have said is I'm going to change my mom 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.359 I'm going to shoot them. I'm going to stab them, 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.120 like I'm gonna not do the same exact thing I 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.359 did to this woman, you know, years ago. But he's like, well, 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.520 you tried to cover your tracks, and he I mean 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.200 he did the person did so. So he's like, what 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.680 about the motive. Why would I kill Rebecca? I loved her, 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:10.600 she loved me, and we were going to get married. 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.080 So this is the first time we find out that 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.879 they were, like, you know, involved, but no one has 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:18.239 even suggested this yet. And then Craigan is like, well, 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.480 well then why was she changing advisors and megas like 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.520 I told her to a student sleeping with her professor, 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:24.879 just like looks bad. It would be better for both 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.200 of us. And then they say, but her prints were 0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.000 lifted off this letter that was sent to the dean 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.360 outing you as a murderer. And he looks at the 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.120 letter and he's like, there's no way she wrote that. 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:35.440 He's like, I had no reason to kill her, She 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:37.640 had no reason to write that letter. And he told 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.600 her everything about his past months ago, and then Craigan 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.120 gets real close, like Stabler level close, and goes, I 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:46.600 remember when we collared you for murdering Joanna Lewis and 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.040 you cried like a baby. You lied about it, but 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.359 your prints were all over the drum where you stuffed her. 0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:54.359 And he's like, that was my past. I'm a different man, 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.120 just like you, and then he goes, I remember you. 0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:00.239 You were a drunk. You changed, didn't you, Captain you 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.800 think you're the only one who can. And then Craigan 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:07.240 is like, all right, noted, I'm listening, and Vega's like, listen, 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.520 I was at Rebecca's the night she died, but when 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:12.319 I left, she was alive. And then Vega goes, ask 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.239 Rudy Lemke, he was at Rebecca's house that night. I 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.239 dropped him off at the Lydia Hotel to crash for 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.480 the night, and he'll tell you she was alive when 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:24.240 we left. What I don't understand, though, is why didn't 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.160 Vega report her missing. All of her friends thought that 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.319 she was like working on her thesis, but he would 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.080 have spoken to her while she was working on her 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.400 thesis for a week, right, his girlfriend? 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.400 Yeah, But if someone was like, I'm going to go 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.279 right at a cabin for three days, Like I don't 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.200 know if I would be suspicious if I didn't. 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:46.800 Hear from them for three days. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, anyway, 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.080 it's just something that popped into my head. So at 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.200 the precinct, Stabler says that Vega's lying because no one 0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:55.680 at the Lydio wrote hotel remembers him but or Rudy. 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.440 But it's like, first of all, he dropped off Rudy, 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.200 so he wouldn't have even gone inside. Second of all, 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.359 the Lydia hotel gone to before and is like a 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.359 full roach motel where like the people behind it are 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.040 not like paying attention to people coming and going, Like 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:09.840 I don't think that's like a smoking gun that he's lying. 0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.880 But anyway, Craigan can't believe he allowed himself to believe 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:15.400 Vega for a second. And now Casey Novak's on the 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.640 scene and she's like, you guys gotta find Rudy, and 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.680 they're like, well, Finn put the word out on the street. 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:22.399 Every crackhead and dealer knows we're looking for him. Like again, 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:26.000 so much crackhead. And anyway, as usual, Casey is there 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:27.920 to like fully blow up their lives, and she says, 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.480 everything you have a circumstantial his past murder can't really 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.880 be used unless Petrovski allows me to bring up prior 0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:35.640 bad acts. And I don't know if she's gonna do that. 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.239 And Novak is like, I'm not saying I can't win it. 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.560 I'm just saying I really want Rudy and they're like, 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.719 we'll get him. And then Novak's like, Craigs, can I 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:44.359 talk to you for a second and now we kind 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.240 of find out why this has been so personal. Novak 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.719 wants to know why in nineteen seventy five, Vega got 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.920 a grand theft auto charge but the prosecutor like dropped 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:57.520 the charges because the arresting officer recommended leniency. And the 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.840 arresting officer was Captain Craig and when he was a 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.880 little baby boy, and he says he was a kid. 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.120 He seems serious about cleaning up his act. And then 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.200 Novak's like, but then he didn't clean up his act 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.600 and he killed Joanna Lewis, And she's like, I just 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.600 want to make sure that there's not like a personal 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.600 vendetta going on here where you want to like make 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:17.120 up for this mistake you made. In the past, and 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:18.759 he's like, I just want him to go to jail 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:20.279 because he did it and he did the wrong thing. 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.239 So now we're in court. Vega's on the stand. He 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:26.080 fully admits he killed Joanna Lewis. He was nineteen, high 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:27.680 on heroin and he didn't know what he was doing. 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:31.239 He served his time, and his lawyer points out that 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.640 for the last seven months he's donated five hundred dollars 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:35.799 a month to the Joanna Lewis Memorial Fund, which the 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:37.480 court did not ask him to do. He just does 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.560 it because it's right, and he hopes he can use 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.719 his mistakes to teach others, and that's why he became 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.840 a professor. And he said Rebecca was smart and generous 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:46.279 and he was in love with her and could never 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:49.399 have killed her. And then Novak approaches in some knee 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.600 high boots and a knee length skirt. Did you clock 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:53.080 this look? 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.520 I didn't clock it, but it made me smile as 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:56.359 soon as you said it. 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.040 Yeah, it was like a little It was very fall 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.279 two thousand and four. I can tell remember when she 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:02.759 told us that her outfits were always bad, and then 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.719 they tried to make her a little bit hipper I 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:06.319 can tell this is them trying to go into the 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.879 like the away from like the just gray skirt suit look. 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.279 And anyway, she immediately starts showing photos of Joanna's neck 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:17.600 versus Rebecca's neck. They look the same. Then she shows 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.760 the condom fragment and says, this is your brand. Shows 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:22.400 the fiber that's the same material as his coat, and 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.480 it's very smug. Here, she's very smug. Yeah, this is 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:30.520 the peak Novak. Yeah, and now peak Novak is in. Mean, 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:38.680 let's be honest, what's your birth Yeah, that is good Novak. 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.560 But that season four that's behind her. I can't believe 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:46.400 Casey's peaked. I cannot believe Casey's peaked by five. So 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:51.200 and then she shows the letter and that Rebecca looks 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.120 like she wrote it because her fingerprints are all over it. 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:55.279 And if she didn't write it, who did? And he goes, 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.520 why don't you ask the cops? So he implies that 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.359 he's being framed by the cops, and then Casey goes, 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.799 so the police knew year brand of condom, put the 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.719 piece of it inside of Rebecca, jammed a fiber down 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.080 her throat, and like you know, she is being a 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.120 good lawyer, like that is a that is a far 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.120 walk for a lot of jurors to go on that 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:17.560 that police were that conspiratorial, and he screams, I did 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:19.520 not kill her, like he screams at twice and then 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:22.480 he stares daggers at Novak and his daughter Zoe Saldana 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.120 is in the courtroom looking not happy. And in the 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.040 next scene, we're at the precinct and Craigan comes in 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.160 and says, Jerry came back in an hour and convicted 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.160 on all accounts. So we think we're done, but we 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.279 know we're not because we're not even halfway through the show. 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.400 Or we are, but we're not done. Sister Peg walks 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.600 in and goes, is it true you're looking for Rudy? 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:40.399 And it's like the amount of time that they would 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.720 have been looking for Rudy, And when a court case happens, 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.560 it's like they act like it happened in two days. 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:48.440 And Bens's like the trail's over and she knows where 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.600 he is, Sister Peg, but she wants to make sure 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.120 he's protected. He was innocent. You pushed him over the edge. 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.200 You spread his name around town. Now all the dealers 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.719 think he's a rat and Benson's like, well, straighten things 0:55:57.719 --> 0:55:59.200 out on the street, and I would love to know 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.600 how they plan to do that, and she's like, after 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.799 we talked to Rudy. And then sister PEG's like fine, 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:06.160 and she takes them to Rudy and we are talking 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.880 to Rudy and he goes, the Professor is telling the truth. 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.759 He did drop me off at the hotel. Obviously he's 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.279 been using drugs and his spotty on the time, and 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.080 he goes, maybe it was right after nine, after the 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:19.279 Professor and Rebecca were done duking it out. And so 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.160 we find out they were fighting that night about letting 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.840 Rudy stay on the couch. He didn't want a crackhead 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.759 sleeping on his girlfriend's couch. Again crackhead, and he said, yeah, 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.000 they were all lovey dovey, they were getting married. Rebecca 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.600 told him that. So now we know that he wasn't, 0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:35.319 you know, creating this romantic relationship. 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:37.840 And so my brain as you were talking went to 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.440 Making of a Murderer, you know, like it's kind of 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:43.120 connected in a way. And then it reminded me that 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.440 in Edinburgh this past year there's a Making of a 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:46.560 Murderer musical. 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:51.520 The musical. Oh my god, Wow, that is fun. I 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:55.560 would love to see that. So they're begging Rudy. They're like, 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.640 you gotta think we need to know the time he 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.680 dropped you off. Rudy does not remember, but he does 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:03.399 remember that it stopped raining on their way over there, 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.240 so okay, they check the Weather service. The rain stopped 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.920 at nine twenty two, but the witness puts the Lexus 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.560 at the house at eleven thirty, so he must have 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.000 gone back to Killer, So go talk to this witness 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.040 again and just double check. So they go back and 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.400 they talk to this witness and he's like, I'm positive 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.960 it was eleven thirty and the Simpsons had just ended, 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:22.840 and I got up to close my window and I 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:24.400 saw a guy in a cold put a big ass 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.680 bundle into the Lexus and then he shows him he 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.400 was parked right there. And then right as that happens, 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:31.400 a guy blows the light and they realize that there's 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.120 a red light camera there. So they're like, all right, 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.120 let's go check this red light camera and see if 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.160 it maybe caught Vegas car or whatever. So they go there. 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:41.600 They see that Alexis was gone at nine ish. Like 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.520 that backs up Vegas story. But then it's back at 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.440 eleven ish, so he must have come back to Killer 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:50.160 as they said. And then Benson is like, let's just 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.480 check the license plate really quick, which I don't even 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:56.080 think that they that's extra due diligence. I feel like 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.680 because it's the same exact making model of the car 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:02.760 color everything, Benson goes, can you blow that up? And 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:06.480 the guy goes enhancing, which reminds me of this episode 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:09.080 of Adam Ruins Everything where I first learned that all 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.760 the shit is bullshit like that you cannot enhance images 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.040 like that. It's just like, is impossible. And do you 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:20.960 know Shavn Thompson, she's like a comedian and more of 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:24.080 like a sketch comedian, but she is like British and 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:27.240 she played the like edgycsu tech with like you know, 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:32.080 asymmetrical haircut and she's like and haunts and because she's British, 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.240 so she goes in hunts and hunts like and it 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:38.320 reminded me the exact scene and it's just bullshit. You 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:41.640 cannot like just enhance, you cannot just blow up a 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:43.760 picture of a license plate, and then all the pixels 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.480 fade away and it's a clear picture, but anyway, I 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.560 love it for the show. They double check the plates 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:52.720 and they realize done, done twist. These are two different cars. 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.640 They have different license plates, and one of them is 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.000 Vegas car obviously, and the other one is from a 0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:01.080 rental car agency. So they go to the agency. The 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.439 guy gives them the rental agreement. The license is fake. 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.240 You can't even see the picture of who rented it. 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:06.840 And they're like, you don't want us to bust you 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:09.480 for renting to unlacense people, do you? And the guy's like, 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.920 let's play, Let's make a deal. He's like, we put 0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:14.280 GPS trackers into the more expensive cars. I can tell 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.400 you where this car was at all times. So they 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:17.919 look at the record of the car and they see 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.720 that whoever drove it drove it to Rebecca's house and 0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:23.440 probably straight into Central Park, and so that is the killer. 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.080 Now they have to find this car, so like, where 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.200 is it? Craigan back with Craigan. He feels really bad 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.480 that he bought into this whole frame job, and he 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.800 tells them tear apart the rental car. I'll go talk 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:39.160 to Vega And the next scene, Vega is obviously very unhappy. 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:42.800 He is screaming at Craig and he's like, amstake a mistake? 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:46.120 And Craigan is apologetic, but Vega is still very, very pissed, 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:47.920 and he's like, are you going to bring Rebecca back? 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:49.440 Are you going to get my career back for me? 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.280 And then Craigan can tell from the way that he's 0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:56.520 acting that he's using again, and Vega doesn't deny it. 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.560 He's like it just makes the time go quicker in here, 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.640 and Craigan's like, you need to get clean. I can 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:02.960 get you help, and Vega's like your help put me 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:07.200 in here, and he asks who killed Rebecca and Craigan's like, 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:08.760 probably someone who wanted to hurt you. Do you have 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:12.200 any any ideas and he's like not aside from the NYPD. 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.360 So then Craigan goes to Novak and is like, we 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:17.360 got to get Vega out right now. She's like, yeah, 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:20.040 I'm getting him out tomorrow morning and he's like, no, 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:21.880 not soon enough. It's got to be now. And Rikers 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:23.520 can't get him to court till the morning, and he's like, 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:25.360 I'll call it a favor. I'll get Vega to court 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.400 if you can get the motion on the calendar, and 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:30.000 Craigan is like very much beating himself up over this, 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:32.439 and Novak is like, you were just doing your job. 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.000 Everyone's trying to tell him it's not his fault, but 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:37.160 he obviously is pissed at himself. So they dismissed the 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:41.800 charges against Vega. Zoe Seldona's stink eyeing Captain Craigan very aggressively, 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:45.640 Petrowski sets aside the verdict with the court's apologies. Zoe 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:48.440 sidles up to Craigan and goes, do you own a home, Captain, 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:52.400 because they are suing him baby twelve million dollars in damages. 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.760 They're suing him, the department, the whole, the whole gang. 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.160 So then Craigan goes outside and he's not scared to 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:00.120 face the press. He just like walks out into what 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:03.400 looks like a barrage of flashing light bulbs and you know, 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:07.200 screaming reporters. So then at the garage where they found 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.400 the rental car, they're dismantling this car and O'Halloran is 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.680 there and they're like, we've really found nothing, like there's 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:16.439 nothing here. Then they find nail clippers with the nail 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.880 clipping in it of the same nail polish color that 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:23.120 she was wearing with her brand new manicure, and he 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:26.520 doest sit and boom, there's a fingerprint on the nail clippers. 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:28.360 I don't know how this guy wasn't wearing gloves the 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.280 whole time. He literally douched someone with rubbing alcohol. But okay, 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:35.240 now Cyper is running the print. Nothing, nothing, nothing, and 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:37.520 Craigan's like, expand the search and then they get a 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:40.760 hit on the print and it belongs to Done Done, 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:45.400 the dorky research partner Kyle. At this point, Hi you Kyle. 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:48.440 At this point, I honestly was almost thinking that it 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:50.720 was Zoe Saldana and she was like, get away from 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:53.240 my dad, like he's mine. I didn't have enough time 1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:54.960 with him, and like, you know, I think that that's 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:56.920 happened before on the show. But in my mind, I 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:58.640 was like, oh, it's gonna be Zoe Selton. 1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:01.360 Another little dork helper. So it's been other dork helpers 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.640 before too. There's like a Church episode where that's coming 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:08.920 to mind. Yes, so, and I'm sir Kile wanted a 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:11.760 fuck Rebecca too, I mean, yeah, that was it, like 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:13.080 fucking of course. 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:15.880 So they go to his place and he's gone. There 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:19.240 are tons of picks of Vega and Rebecca together, so 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.800 he was obviously stalking Vega and or Rebecca, and he 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:24.880 must have grabbed the condoms when he was at Vega's 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:26.720 house for drinks one of these times, because he goes 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:28.960 there all the time. Then Zoey sell Donnah shows up 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:30.760 at the precinct and she's like, please help my dad, 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:33.000 and Craigan's like, I really can't talk to you, ma'am, 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.520 like you're suing me, so good day. And then she's like, no, wait, look, 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:38.560 he left this note. I'm worried he might be taking 1:02:38.600 --> 1:02:41.320 his own life. And then they read the letter and 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.200 it says something like I hope you can forgive me 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:46.840 one final sin for justice. So now they're realizing, uh, 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:50.560 oh Lerman did not leave town. Vega kidnapped him, so 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:53.760 he must have taken him somewhere emotionally significant, and they're like, 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:56.600 what about Central Park where he left Rebecca's body. So 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:59.320 now they head over to that area and there's already 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:01.640 a standoff. We get there between Vega and the cops 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:04.600 and the Vega has Lerman held hostage and he's holding 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:07.160 a teeny tiny gun up to him and like you know, 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.920 holding him hostage, and Leerman's begging for help, and Vega 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.080 forces Lerman to confess like he has got but he 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:14.680 does have a gun on him. So I don't feel 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:17.040 like it's like you're a criminology professor, you know that 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:19.919 that's not how you get a confession. So this guy 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.400 is saying that he went over there to give her 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:25.600 one more chance and then he killed her spontaneously with 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:28.320 this whole fucking plan. He had rubbing alcohol, he had 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.720 the rental car that looked like Vega's. I mean, this 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.760 guy went over there to kill her, right, Like this 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.760 is a full plan that's been hatched. 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:39.120 You're one hundred percent right, But maybe he would be 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.760 okay not doing the plan if she had sex with him, 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:43.920 Like I don't, I don't really know, but he gdly 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:45.680 he planned for the rejection. 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:47.680 Yes, yeah, the. 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:49.320 Car if he went and killed her that night and 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.040 then he runted the car the next day because she 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:52.640 was she could have been dead in her apartment for 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:54.320 a while. Obviously no one was looking for her for 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:58.360 some reason. So like it's just weird. Yeah, Like I 1:03:58.360 --> 1:03:59.840 don't know, that doesn't really click for me. This guy 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:01.800 over there to kill her. It wasn't like, well we 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:06.640 you know, she didn't want this nerd dick. So Cragan 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.200 is trying to talk Vega off the ledge, like come on, 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.160 don't do this. Vega finally drops the weapon. He's crying, 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:17.080 it's emotional. Then this idiot Lureman grabs the gun like 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:19.480 what are you doing? And then the cops just kill 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.520 him so fast. So he's boom boom boom dead. And 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:25.400 then Craigan takes Vega to go see his daughter, and 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:28.840 that is dick wolf Baby. I love that. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.600 Do you think boom boom boom dead is March or what? 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:36.680 I don't know. We'll see if it resonates let us 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:37.520 know in the comments. 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:42.160 Enjoy our commercials and we'll be back. 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:56.520 Okay, welcome back. 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:03.360 So this is going to be a non traditional true 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:06.320 crime portion of our podcast. We really wanted to do 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:09.840 this episode, and the crimes that the wiki gives that 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:12.800 sometimes we use as a reference is fucking wrong, and 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:13.560 I'm pissed. 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:14.080 No I'm not. 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:17.240 We'll learn some fun, interesting things, but I went on 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:20.080 some tangents and we're just gonna go with the flow. 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:23.880 First of all, the wiki suggested Frank Abagnel who is 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:26.000 What is Catch Me If you Can? Is based on 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:28.080 what does that have to do with this episode? 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:28.560 What? 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:31.959 No one is pretending to be a pilot. No one's 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.680 running around with Tom Hanks like nothing makes sense. There's 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:39.240 no financial crimes, there's no forgery. I'm pissed. So I 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:41.560 did no research. Go watch Catch Me if you Can 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:43.960 if you want to know about this guy. So the 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:48.040 next case that the wiki suggests is Kevin Tanell. And 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.520 this is interesting because I think it's just like under 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:51.680 the influence murder. 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:55.520 Can you change what happens? What punishment's fair? Ya Yadam? 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:57.440 So this happened. 1:05:57.480 --> 1:06:00.200 The Kevin tunnel case started in the last they have 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:03.560 nineteen eighty one. It was New Year's Eve and Kevin 1:06:03.640 --> 1:06:06.000 is underage and he got he was seventeen, and so 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.720 he took his older brother's ID and he was just 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:11.440 planning to drive to the market near his house in Fairfax, 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.760 Virginia and score a couple of bottles of champagne okay 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:18.160 for New Year's doesn't seem too crazy. And then he 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:20.919 went out partying for the night and decided to drive home. 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:23.520 The Washington Post reported that he had four or five 1:06:23.520 --> 1:06:26.520 glasses of champagne, which is actually not that much or 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:27.560 is it? Is that a bottle? 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:30.919 That depends on how big the glasses are. I don't know. Yeah, 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.560 that's almost a bottle of champagne, but you don't with champagne, 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:35.400 you don't really drink as much as a wine glass. 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.160 But then when you're young, you drink crazy. So who knows, Like, 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:40.800 is that four or five solo cups of champagne? Like, 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.920 you know, it's it really could be, but it's probably 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:45.800 not a great number. Four or five of any drink 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:48.640 is probably not a great number to drive on. But yeah, 1:06:48.680 --> 1:06:49.920 you're right, you're right. I don't know why. 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:51.520 I'm fine. 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:55.800 But also small town drunk driving is like scary because 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:01.960 I think it's just kind of expected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:04.400 So his friends did try to stop him, but like 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:07.439 anyone that's dronk, he insisted, like, oh, nothing ever bad 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:08.240 happens to me. 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:13.600 And that's quoted in the La Times famous last words, Jesus, Yeah, 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:14.600 something did happen. 1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:18.360 He had a giant like gray Dodge and it rounded 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.439 a blind curve and it swerved across the double yellow 1:07:21.520 --> 1:07:24.720 lines and into a compact Volkswagen car which was being 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:26.640 driven by Susan Marie Herzog. 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:29.160 Now she died. 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:33.160 Instantly, which is good because the impact fractured her skull, 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:35.760 broke her neck, both of her arms, both of her legs. 1:07:35.480 --> 1:07:38.840 Like she was fully kind of broken. So in like 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.840 a sad way, it's good that she died instantly. Seemed 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:44.680 like the injuries were a lot and tunnel. He walked 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:46.280 away with just a bump on his head and a 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:50.600 few cuts. So he pled guilty in a Virginia juvenile 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:54.400 court to d WI manslaughter and had to publicly confess 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:56.720 his crimes, and he cried and was very emotional on 1:07:56.760 --> 1:08:02.840 the stand. He was not old, Oh okay, yeah, which 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:04.560 in some places I think you would be charged as 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:06.520 an adult. I mean we know cases where you're thirteen 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:09.360 in charge adults, So like, yeah, I guess. 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.360 We never really know. He was not charged for murder, 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:14.080 but that's obviously all people look at him like, you 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:17.599 can't really get away from that. Now, this is kind 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:23.719 of crazy. So the parents of Susan, they wanted Kevin 1:08:24.160 --> 1:08:27.720 to pay them every Friday for eighteen years, since she 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:29.839 was eighteen years old and it happened on a Friday, 1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:34.680 it's and the court approved this punishment so basically, he 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.080 agreed that he would write a one dollar check in 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:39.879 Susan's name and send it to her family every Friday 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:42.479 of every week of every month until the year two thousand. 1:08:43.600 --> 1:08:44.000 Wow. 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:45.640 It's kind of like a sick call. 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:47.680 It's like the Seinfelds that come where it's like, oh, 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:49.960 you can't pay your fines, so then you get a butler, 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:53.840 Like it is like such a weird punishment at the court. 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:56.479 I've seen this in something else. I've seen it in 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:59.160 something else. It was like in the magazine covered there 1:08:59.200 --> 1:09:01.639 was Yeah, this was yeah, just but just this idea 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:04.080 of doing something every week that people are like, you 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:05.599 don't need the money, and it's like, I want him 1:09:05.640 --> 1:09:07.880 to think about my daughter every week when he writes 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:10.000 that check. I've seen that play out like on a 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:13.320 TV show somewhere. So probably based on this, yeah, yeah, 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:13.759 for sure. 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:17.840 So after six years of writing the checks, he said 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:20.400 that it hurt too much to continue, and so then 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:23.920 he decided to send them twelve years of checks at once, 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:26.040 and they go, nah, bitch, that's not the point. 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:28.519 The point you will never forget you killed her daughter. 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:30.840 And it only adds up to nine hundred and thirty 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:34.519 six dollars total, but that wasn't the point of this. 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:37.800 He multiple times did stop or like didn't have time 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:39.920 or were just too upset, and the parents took him 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:44.439 to court multiple times on principle. So and when he 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:46.759 was twenty six, he was found in contempt of court 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:49.559 and their persistence cost them a lot of money. Like 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:52.400 they spent thousands in legal fees to force Tunnels to 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:53.400 send the checks weekly. 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:55.800 So it was not about the money at all. You know, 1:09:55.840 --> 1:09:56.599 we've put that together. 1:09:56.680 --> 1:10:00.400 Yeah, the Herzog said they were not at all touched 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:03.160 by Tunnel's tears on the stand or whatever pain writing 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:06.320 the checks has caused him. People judge them and are 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:08.880 like he was seventeen, but they don't care, and it's 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:10.200 about vengeance and they don't care. 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:11.640 Wow. 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:18.839 He then, part of his punishment, spent a year speaking 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.960 to groups about the evils of drunk driving, and then 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:24.519 he continued to speak to groups for the next six years. 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:27.439 And then he became like the most famous adolescent drunk 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:29.280 driver in the land. I don't know if that's what 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:31.120 you really want to be known for, but he did 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:36.120 become a very famous drunk driver. And well, and then 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:38.400 there's like a little twist in the writing of the article, 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:41.320 and they're like, actually, the most famous repentant drunk driver. 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:45.360 So yeah, he traveled to auditoriums, talked to high school students, 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:48.000 adult audiences, and just like talked about the worst night 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.439 of his life and how you know, how to prevent 1:10:51.120 --> 1:10:53.080 being in his shoes because no one would want to 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:57.240 live as him. He talks about how his friends really 1:10:57.240 --> 1:10:59.920 disappeared and no one wanted to know him anymore. He 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.479 doesn't dwell on it, but he does not make any 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:04.640 plans on New Year's and he uses that day to 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:08.479 like reflect and chill. He lives in Arizona as of 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:12.200 nineteen ninety five. I haven't found any current stuff, but 1:11:12.360 --> 1:11:15.120 he works in pr The parents said they have no 1:11:15.160 --> 1:11:19.599 intention of forgiving him the Herzog's second daughter was also 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:21.000 hit by a drunk driver. 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:23.439 In nineteen eighty seven. 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.559 It was a crash in Florida that crushed her legs 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:28.600 and left her with a permanent limp. So they have 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:32.519 no sympathy for drunk drivers. Gosh, yeah, they don't give 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:38.680 a fuck. Patricia Herzog became the chairman chairwoman of Mad's 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:42.120 you know Mother's agoin drunk Drivings Virginia chapter and then 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:47.679 the dad is an administrator of the National Organization's Eastern region. 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:48.760 Wow. 1:11:49.160 --> 1:11:52.439 So for some reason, that's what the fan wiki thinks 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:53.920 this episode is based. 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:58.960 Which is I mean a stretch. I'm glad you told 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.679 us about it, like I ever heard the story, but like, yeah, 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:04.760 it's kind of stressed. That's interesting. Yeah, today is just 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:05.439 more story tanging. 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:07.400 So then I was thinking kind of for the Christmas 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:10.200 Catholic abuse episode, like maybe I can compile some things 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:13.960 or find things that didn't inspire the episode but are connected. 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:17.920 So I was looking for like former professors, crime stories, 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:21.640 like rehabilitation whatever. I found one juicy, juicy story and 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:22.040 we're going to. 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:22.479 Go through it. 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:25.040 But I also just found some professors I can highlight, 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:29.880 and there's a few out there. But Jason sol He 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:32.840 was once a felon and now a Minnesota criminal justice 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:36.360 professor at Hamlin University in Saint Paul. He believes that 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:39.479 policing in and of itself is bad for our health 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:41.639 and the main fucked up problem of the world. 1:12:41.680 --> 1:12:43.760 He grew up in Chicago. He was young during the 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:45.040 War on Drugs, He. 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:47.679 Got involved in gangs, he got shot, he got arrested, 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:49.960 got sent to jail, got out, and got a PhD. 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:54.559 His focus is to have students imagine what it feels 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:55.320 like to like. 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:56.840 So his story is basically, he. 1:12:56.840 --> 1:13:01.000 Got a gun pulled on him, and then he got 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.519 a gun to protect himself, and then he got caught 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:05.760 with that gun, and at nineteen years of age, he 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:08.400 got sent away and now is a felon forever, and 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:10.599 your whole world shrinks when you're a felon. And now 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:13.479 he's forty three, is a college professor, but he still 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:15.840 lives in the shadow of a criminal record that's almost 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.800 two decades long. And even though his troubles with the 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:21.360 law long passed. In Minnesota, they don't really make it 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:25.640 easy to move past your offenses. Soul has three nonviolent 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:28.280 felonies on his record, two for drug possession and one 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.960 for the handgun when he was nineteen, and he wants 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:33.280 his record clear, so he's begging for a pardon. He's 1:13:33.280 --> 1:13:37.559 applied to the Minnesota Board of Pardons that requires this 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:40.759 is interesting. The governor, the Attorney General, and the Chief 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:43.280 Justice of the Supreme Court all have to agree on 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:46.400 the pardon, and then your pardoned. And this happens one 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:47.080 third of the time. 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:48.519 Wow. 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:53.360 But then I read a bunch of comments, and some 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:56.919 people don't love him being a professor. Was The comments 1:13:56.920 --> 1:14:00.640 were that he's too indoctrinating, and it's stuff and he 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.160 doesn't really teach and he just wants his story. But 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:08.680 it could also be people that I don't know. Yeah, controversial. 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:11.960 Jose Boo is another man who went from sitting in 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.280 a prison cell to standing in front of a classroom. 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:19.000 Jose served twelve years in Massachusetts for drug trafficking, and 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:21.439 while serving his time, he got an English degree from 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:26.000 Boston University. Oh yeah, they have a thing and I 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.200 learned something here that will be interesting, I think to 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.000 our listeners. But after his release in twenty eleven, he 1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:33.400 got a master's degree in criminal justice from BU. 1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:35.080 Now he's in his forties. 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:37.920 He was an instructor at Holyoak Community College for a 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:40.760 long time and now he works at Holyoak Public Schools. 1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:43.360 And I didn't know this at all, But Bill Clinton 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.439 signed a crime bill. I didn't know about that. So 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:47.719 Bill Clinton signed a crime bill that we all know about, 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:49.840 but I didn't know this part that it made people 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:54.559 in prison ineligible for pelgramts and so by cutting funding 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:57.800 the laws squatched a ton of existing college prison programs. 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:03.559 Oh yeah, so fucked up. I've heard about this crime bill. 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:05.800 People really hate him for it, and I know he 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:07.880 took away a lot of like free lunch programs and 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:08.639 a lot of stuff. 1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:10.799 But this sucks. 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:14.160 Yeah, it really fucking sucks. 1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:16.360 And Jose's like, I wasn't a bad kid. I just 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:18.200 wanted to smoke weed with my friends. I didn't go 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:20.200 to school, so then I dropped out in tenth grade, 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.800 and then you know, shoplifting turned into drug trafficking, and 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:27.120 then he was spent twelve years in federal lockup, and 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.280 he remembers thinking, you're not going to do this to me. 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:31.240 I'm not going to let you turn me into an animal. 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:33.760 I'm going to be normal when I get out. And 1:15:33.840 --> 1:15:36.480 that path became possible for him when he was transferred 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:40.040 to a medium security prison in eastern Massachusetts, which had 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.400 this college program through Boston University. 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:43.680 That's amazing. 1:15:43.960 --> 1:15:44.719 It is amazing. 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:47.680 And so I found a couple other stories, someone in 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:51.559 New York who's a professor, and yeah, there are people 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:53.559 that are able to do it. It just sucks that 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:55.960 our system makes it super hard. But when you have 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:58.120 people that are stabler like that don't believe that you 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:01.679 can change. It's fucked. But so many of these people, 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:05.920 it's like they're products of their upbringing in there like environment, 1:16:06.439 --> 1:16:08.680 and it does seem fucked to be seventeen and put 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:12.920 away for like, you know, twelve years. But yeah, also 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.280 in the episode, Vega did kill someone. So okay, now 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:17.280 we're going to do another crime that has nothing to 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:20.919 do with anything. Ready, guys, Okay, this is super interesting 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.280 and it's current. It's between twenty nineteen and twenty Like, 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:26.240 this guy is still in jail awaiting trial, Like this 1:16:26.439 --> 1:16:28.960 is an ongoing case, so I this is going to 1:16:29.000 --> 1:16:29.559 be interesting. 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:32.320 So this guy's name is Gary Maynard. 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:38.400 He is a criminology professor who specializes in deviancy and 1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:40.640 he taught in a lot of different places. He was 1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:43.760 like an adjunct professor. And we'll learn more about it 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:46.920 as I go on. But you being an adjunct and 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:47.719 I guess sucks. 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.080 Yeah. I don't think you get like any benefits. Like 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:52.639 my mom is an adjunct professor at Columbia. She doesn't 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:54.680 do anything at Columbia. She just like they have her 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:56.599 on their list, like they could bring her in if 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:58.479 they wanted to my brother in law. 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:00.840 Is he likes it, but it's not as full time gig, 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:03.880 Like he just enjoys teaching and the class he does 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:08.360 it to Paul, Yeah, shout out. But so anyway, So 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:12.200 he taught at Santa Clara, Chapman and Sonoma State University. 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.000 We know a bunch of people who went to Chapman, 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:18.559 do we really? Yeah? Who? Emily Tayler's husband and Haynah 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:21.479 Einbinder went there, and I feel like someone else, but yeah, 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:26.280 oh yeah, because they're both California kids. Yeah, CALLI kids. 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:29.639 So he drove out of the Lumberjacks restaurant parking lot 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.960 on Tuesday in August of twenty twenty one, and he 1:17:33.040 --> 1:17:36.519 drove past the town and then left the small city 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:39.559 of Susanville in the northeastern corner of California, according to 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:41.680 the New York Times, and then he headed up a 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:45.080 steep highway into the Sierra Nevada, where he set the 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:48.680 forest ablaze going back. So they say that he was 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:52.400 super obsessed with like, he was super obsessed with Jonestown, 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:55.080 the nineteen seventy eight massacre, and he wrote tons of 1:17:55.120 --> 1:17:57.320 articles about Jim Jones and he was just very into 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:01.720 like narcissists, cults, divia like control, and he just got 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:06.880 very into jonestown. Former students describe him as anxious, troubled, 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:07.880 and inappropriate. 1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:09.719 Okay, so not good. 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.680 One student said he appeared vaguely psychotic in her evaluation 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:16.800 at the end of class and that he mostly ranted 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:22.479 about celebrities and tech company founders. Oh, he's a classic case. 1:18:22.640 --> 1:18:24.880 He just straight up lost it during the pandemic. I 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:27.759 think he suffered through mental illness and like some fucked 1:18:27.800 --> 1:18:30.040 up shit, and then the pandemic truly broke him. 1:18:31.200 --> 1:18:33.120 He would teach on Zoom in a dark. 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:35.680 Bedroom and revealed he had a sick father, he had 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.800 a lawsuit against him from a former landlord. He was 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:41.360 struggling with his mental health. He was very open with that. 1:18:41.520 --> 1:18:44.960 He ended up living in his car, and according to 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:48.280 former roommate turned lover Kate, who did not want to 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:50.679 use her last name at all, said that he would 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:52.439 beat the shit out of his room with a hammer 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:54.559 and there were dimples in the floor and gashes in 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:57.719 the walls and he was just like kind of violent 1:18:57.800 --> 1:19:00.120 and unhinged, but she loved him. 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:00.360 Now. 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:02.000 I don't know if it was loved, but they were fucking. 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:04.320 I think they were both lonely and fucking during the pandemic. 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:06.800 But they were roommates and she owned this house and 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:09.600 she was doing well, and it started as a friendship 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:13.200 and then I don't know, shit happened. So she couldn't 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.599 understand how he had a PhD and three master's degrees 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.640 but then would be in and out of homelessness and 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:21.800 sleep in offices and shower at the university jym locker room. 1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:23.840 So it didn't really make sense to her. 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:29.600 So then during the pandemic, he started sending unhinged rantings 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:32.919 and YouTube video links to his students, who then notified 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:35.559 the school that he seemed not well, and then his 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:39.880 contract was not renewed. It wasn't just the pandemic that 1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:41.960 caused his life to become hard. He had a hard 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:45.280 upbringing in Ohio, where he said to New York Magazine 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:48.040 that he grew up in the midst of a rampant, 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:53.000 soulless abuse and was molested by two different people, and 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:55.960 learning in school acted as a reprieve from the empty, 1:19:56.160 --> 1:20:01.040 loveless environment of abuse that he faced. He does seem 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.599 smart when you read this quote, like those are big words. 1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:05.880 I don't know, sure smart, he's just like was not 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:07.040 getting the help he needed. 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:11.599 Correct, Yeah, but he also committed this is like twisted. 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:15.840 So basically his car was found near another fire. There 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:18.320 was like the Dixie Blaze. Do you remember this? Yeah, 1:20:18.360 --> 1:20:20.519 it was like the biggest fire. So that kind of 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:27.320 like he was starting fires around this Dixie Blaze. So 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:30.559 the Dixie Blaze was like stuper and that's why that 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.280 and because he's a criminology professor, like that's why this 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:35.759 became such a big news story, like the interests behind 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:38.640 it all. But this Dixie fire, why did you call 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:40.680 it Dixie? Didn't we decide that's not a word to use, 1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:42.479 even the chicks change. I thought the chicks had to 1:20:42.600 --> 1:20:44.360 drop it. I don't know why they called it that. 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:46.200 And it was like in California. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:49.479 There's not anything really dixieish about California, but I don't know. 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.240 No, So the Dixie Blaze was like it's the second 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.040 biggest fire in California's history, and it burnt over a 1:20:56.080 --> 1:21:00.280 million acres and it cost over five hundred four already 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:02.439 million dollars in government like. 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.040 Costs to put down, Like, so it was a big fire. 1:21:07.160 --> 1:21:11.080 So his car was found near this fire, and then 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:15.040 later they found the same car tracks near this other fire. 1:21:15.640 --> 1:21:17.280 So they assumed it was this guy. 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:22.080 So Verizon, which isn't this illegal, but sent coordinates for 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:25.600 their phone's location every fifteen minutes to the agents so 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:30.080 they could track his movements. The investigators tracked Maynard's movements 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:34.559 using other stuff too, like his food stamp transactions, phone records, 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.000 and they put a device. They attached a device to 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.599 his car in the Lumberjacks parking lot. And I just 1:21:40.840 --> 1:21:42.120 want to eat at Lumberjacks. 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.920 I want a fucking Mountain Diner pancake meal right now. 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:48.920 Oh and that there was like a full like TV 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.840 moment of like someone walking out, like looking both ways 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:54.559 and then sticking a little tracker underneath his car. 1:21:54.960 --> 1:21:58.720 Interesting, it is very interesting. So local police worked with them. 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:01.799 So the local police pulled him over for a traffic violation, 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.639 and then a forest service agent sneaked up and stuck 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:08.639 an electronic beacon under his car. Oh okay, so very 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:12.240 TV like you said. So they followed him into the 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:16.800 lastin National Forest where he set three additional fires off 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:21.160 and then he was arrested. During the time he was 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:24.480 driving into this giant Dixie fire and was starting fires 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:28.280 and like breathe like he loved trees, and he was 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:31.000 texting Kate a bunch and he wrote to her, I 1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:33.639 am with the trees as they go, I will go. 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:37.519 It is wrong and existentially wrong that they burn and 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:38.719 die because of people. 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:40.679 So he did love trees. 1:22:40.760 --> 1:22:42.840 He had like a love affair of trees, but then 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:43.519 did burn that. 1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:45.840 I think he truly needed help. 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:49.400 Yeah, because like you're saying, it's like wrong that they're 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.360 being burned because the people, and then you're burning them. 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:56.760 It's yeah, not making a ton of sense. Yeah. Yeah. 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.920 So when he was arrested and brought in on August, 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:03.040 Heaven prosecutors alleged that he was super violent, kicking his 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.640 cell door shouting at a sheriff deputy, I'm going to 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:09.120 kill you, you fucking pig, and then I just wanted 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:09.639 to say. 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:12.759 That, But Maynard said, I never said kill. 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:16.960 I just said I would sue them, So that's what, Okay, 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:20.719 he just but not denying that he called them pigs, 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:24.799 which is fun. Whatever you say, Gary, whatever you say. 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:28.440 He says that he is not dumb or a criminal, 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:31.240 and definitely not dumb enough to start a fire where 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:33.880 his car was stuck, because when his car was first 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:36.400 found at this Dixie fire, it was like wedged, and 1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:39.120 so he was just like, why would I start fires 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:40.280 where my car was wedged? 1:23:40.320 --> 1:23:42.040 And it's like, I don't know. You also are in 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:45.200 love with the trees. Now what's interesting? So this giant 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:49.920 Dixie fire was accidentally started by PG and E, which 1:23:50.000 --> 1:23:55.040 is the company from Aaron Brockovich. With all the water poisoning, Yeah, 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:57.280 why is PG and he still in business? 1:23:57.800 --> 1:24:01.360 I think that's like big We're fucking I think that's 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:04.120 California's like, that's like con d Man. That's like a 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:06.799 big ass company that like controls our power grid. 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:09.559 They started the biggest fire ever. 1:24:11.920 --> 1:24:14.719 It was. It's like what the fuck is this company 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:15.080 up to? 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:20.680 But yeah, like I said, so the like because the 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:23.120 fire was so big and his like job as a 1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:26.960 criminology professor. The New York Times put it on the 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:30.240 front page and the headline was expert on criminal minds 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:32.519 is accused of wildlife arson. 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.599 Spree so fun. 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:40.600 He rejects any psychological interpretation of his interests in social deviance. 1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:44.080 He also self diagnosed himself with aspergers, but says that 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.760 non Asperger. People live in a world dumbed down, with 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:51.080 dumb down delusions and lies covered in formal conventions where 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:53.760 they don't speak their mind. And he said that to 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:58.160 New York magazine Unhinged. That's kind of a smart point. 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:01.680 We are all lying to each other and ourselves constantly 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:04.559 fully delusional, and people with Aspergers are just like I 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:12.320 don't like you AnyWho, but most like most criminals, he 1:25:12.400 --> 1:25:14.840 had a past of crimes against women. He was let 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:18.200 go from a university in Tennessee after allegations from a student, 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:20.800 and later was accused of strangling that student in the 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:24.080 streets of Ohio in the middle of the day in 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:27.640 May seventh, twenty fifteen. He was arrested after five witnesses 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:30.400 reported the choking, and he pled down to a misdemeanor 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:33.240 and was given a sentence of sixty days in jail. 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:36.439 But these things were not checked by all his places 1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:38.959 of employment because he was mostly hired as an adjunct 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:41.759 to teach one class a semester for like five grand, 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.800 so his past fell through the cracks, so no one 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:50.360 really checked on his crimes. But and then contingent faculty 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:54.479 members are known as quotes freeway flyers because they move 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:57.000 around and often work at several schools at once to 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:57.800 make ends meet. 1:25:57.880 --> 1:25:59.240 Even though Maynard said he. 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:02.000 Was poor, but he was happy he was free, and 1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:05.479 he believes he is innocent of any crime. He stands 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:08.360 by that he loves trees and is one with the 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:12.120 trees and would never hurt the trees. As of an 1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:16.600 article from July twenty twenty two, right very current, he 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:19.280 has been sitting in jail as he awaits trial, and 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:22.720 he has pleaded not guilty and that he has been miscast. 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.479 Each charge of arson to federal property carries a potential 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:29.000 sentence of five to twenty years, and he said to 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.880 a reporter in New York magazine that incarceration, if I 1:26:31.960 --> 1:26:34.360 wasn't in the middle of it, would be very fascinating, 1:26:35.160 --> 1:26:38.120 because you know of his sociology. He does like that 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:40.599 he sees trees out the window of his Nevada cell. 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:45.760 He's in a cell in Nevada City, and he's sociology 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:51.080 for life. So his prison sociology, he's focusing on gang's 1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:55.120 ethnic clicks and its hierarchies, and its petty injustices and 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:58.680 methods of control. And he also talks about the spirits 1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:00.840 that are in the prison with him, one of which 1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:06.080 is River Phoenix. Huh, and he believes he will be exonerated. 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:09.719 Exoneration is going to be tough, though, because the FBI 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:12.280 were able to crack into his locked iPhone and there's 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:16.799 a lot of video evidence and just some overall facts. 1:27:17.600 --> 1:27:20.240 I guess ten percent of wildfires every year are set 1:27:20.240 --> 1:27:23.920 on purpose, according to the California CalFire, which is the 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:26.880 state's largest fire agency. 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:29.040 And when arsen is for. 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:33.280 Insurance money or revenge, we can recognize a criminal impulse. 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:35.479 But when a fire is set just like to nature, 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:38.160 just to watch the world burn, that's, in quotes, a 1:27:38.200 --> 1:27:43.080 stranger kind of animal, more confusing to study. I guess 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:48.000 a classic arsenist general profile is a lone white male, 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:52.200 eighteen to thirty four, poorly educated, angry, disenfranchised, fascinated with 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:57.920 police and military, sexually dysfunctional, heavy drinker, and lol ed. 1:27:58.000 --> 1:28:03.840 Nord Skog, former Sheriff Department detective and arson investigators, said 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:07.120 to New York Magazine that it also describes everyone he's 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:08.800 ever worked with in law enforcement. 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:12.680 And he's from the inside. 1:28:12.760 --> 1:28:16.639 Okay, yeah, and then but nine out of ten fires 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:21.360 are straight up accidents. But from human activity, and then yeah, 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:25.240 like cigarettes and like campfires and yeah so and then 1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:27.280 ten percent are like true. Arson. 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.679 Arson and Maynard's final quote in New York Magazine profile 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:33.799 is I wish the trees were on the jury because 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.320 they would equit me. Now did they find I wondered, 1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:39.040 did they find any like accelerant or like anything? 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:41.040 Did he just like go and drop a match? I mean, 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:43.040 did they find anything that he used to like set 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:44.400 the fires, because. 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:46.439 Like, so fuck, I'm sure they did. I didn't care, 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:47.639 but I'm sure. 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:49.360 No, no, no, I'm not trying to say like you 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:51.920 didn't find something. I'm just kind of like, you know, 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:54.840 I guess he can argue in court wrong place, wrong 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:56.920 time a bunch of times or not really because like 1:28:56.960 --> 1:29:01.720 they had to have found what he'd used. I feel bad. 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:03.600 This man needs to go. He needs to plead not 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.720 guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. So yeah, 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:09.719 the fires he's been charged with is the Cascade fire, 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:13.680 which just reminds me of every time we okay, we 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:15.040 can't sing, but do you know that song? 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:15.320 Right? 1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:18.360 Yeah, but I think that that singer's name is Cascata. 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:23.439 Shut up. And then so that was July twentieth. 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:26.160 July twenty first was the Everett fire, and then August 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:30.120 seventh was this ranch fire, and then the Conrad fire 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:31.680 was August seventh. 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:33.080 Let's see how he did it. 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:36.800 My confusion is, I wonder why none of the resources 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:38.679 I found said how he started the fire. 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:41.160 Do you think it's to not give people ideas or something? 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:46.280 Maybe, yeah, because it's like he set like successful fires, right, 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:48.240 there must have been some kind of like accelerate or 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:49.160 maybe not. I don't know. 1:29:49.800 --> 1:29:54.679 Yeah, but there's one super super famous forensic files where 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:59.439 like after this guy was arrested, fires went down from 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:02.240 like one hundred to three a year, Like he was 1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:05.000 legit setting hundreds of fires a year and he was 1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:09.880 like part of the fire department. But arsenists, like they 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:12.120 don't they don't get caught so easy. Like it seems 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.800 like for every three someone gets caught with they've set 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:19.759 like dozens of fires. Yeah, Like arsenists just like love 1:30:20.520 --> 1:30:24.479 love it and yeah, and besides weird men, I think 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:28.920 the next big cause of big level fires are gender 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:35.040 reveal parties. Yeah, yes, but those people are facing jail 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:36.360 charges and in charge. 1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:38.600 Yeah, and I hope they fucking rotten jail for a 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:39.040 little bit. 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:41.080 Yeah, so weird. 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.280 That's another thing that's like what I've was talking about 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:45.240 earlier in the episode, where it's like people cling to 1:30:45.280 --> 1:30:48.040 these things that are not even traditions, Like why is 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:51.000 everyone doing gender reveals? Where did that come from? And 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:53.320 why are people so glued to it? It's not real. 1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:56.680 It's not definitely tied to social media. I mean, it's 1:30:56.720 --> 1:30:59.439 like another party people want to have around having a kid. 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:02.360 Like it's social media is showing off like different creative 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:05.280 ways you can do something. It's TikTok, you know, like 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:09.120 that's it. I mean this didn't exist like five years, 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:11.719 like ten years ago. There we're like not gender reveal parties. 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:12.439 I know. 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:14.400 It's just weird that we just accept it. 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:16.599 I always say I think about bachelorette parties too, where 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:18.200 it's like it used to be like oh, one fun 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:21.400 night out, and now it's like we're going to Brazil 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:26.520 get a matching hat. Okay, listen, we're going to our interview. 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:29.479 We could talk forever that information. 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:29.920 Liza. 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:32.200 I'm glad you got to interview. I mean I appreciate 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.400 you researching like five cases, so thank you. Well, I 1:31:35.439 --> 1:31:36.639 had to mismatch something. 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:38.639 It would be weird if I just talked about one 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:41.840 teen drunk driver, like I just I don't understand how 1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:44.760 that even got into the wiki. But I'm glad I 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:47.040 learned about Gary Maynard because this is also a case 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.000 that we could all follow it together since the trial 1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:52.520 has not even happened, and we'll see what happens to him. 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:54.679 But but he has a public defender. 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:58.559 He's poor, Yeah, so I don't know if he's gonna 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:00.800 even be able to like have a great defense of 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:01.400 like this man. 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:03.400 Let him get on the stand and he goes. I 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:05.240 love the trees. The trees are with me. I mean, 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:07.600 how are we not doing mental disease or defect? Like 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:08.120 you know what I mean? 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:11.320 And along's in an institute not in approval like and 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:15.760 God from starting fires is bad And obviously he has 1:32:16.080 --> 1:32:19.360 done violence before in the past, but no one physically 1:32:19.439 --> 1:32:23.599 was harmed, and so I don't feel that bad saying 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:27.760 that he deserves some sort of support, right, But the 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:31.400 New York Magazine profile was very very good if you 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:33.720 want like an in depth thing, and there's more information 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:37.759 from Kate and about all of his weird behaviors. 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:41.760 Awesome, Well, thank you, Stay tuned everyone, We'll be back 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:52.400 with a great interview. This week's guest is a comedian, 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:55.679 an actor, a writer who many of you have seen 1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:58.720 in a slew of Fantastic Disney live action movies in 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:02.439 the nineties, Operation Dumbo, Drop that Darn Cat. Maybe you've 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:05.240 heard of a little movie called Cool Runnings. And you 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:07.320 may also recognize him as the voice of Bernie in 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:11.679 Shark Tale. But today you know him as Rudy lem Key. Guys, 1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:15.400 check out our really amazing talk with Dougie Doug. 1:33:15.720 --> 1:33:16.599 We're so excited. 1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:19.280 I'm actually at a festival in Montreal right now, and 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:22.320 at breakfast I told everyone we were interviewing you, and 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:24.120 they got jealous and excited. 1:33:24.439 --> 1:33:25.880 The Canadians, come on. 1:33:27.840 --> 1:33:28.599 They were pumped. 1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:29.639 That's great. 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:31.400 Are you in New York right now? 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.160 I am, yes, And. 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:35.120 You've lived there your whole life? 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:38.240 Well, you know, I lived other places, but I'm born 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:39.400 and raised in New York. 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:39.679 Yes. 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:43.000 So was SVU a big deal since you were a 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:45.519 New York guy to get into the Dick Wolf universe? 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:50.040 Oh my god, yes, because you know, as a New 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:53.200 York actor, the whole idea is. 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:55.920 To get in the Dick universe. 1:33:56.920 --> 1:33:59.120 And hopefully you can stay in the Dick Wolves universe, 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:01.920 but as long as you can so. But that was 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:03.760 during a period where it was just kind of like, 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:06.479 you know, had a lot of downtime, and I was like, man, 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:09.160 I'd like to work locally because you know, I had 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:12.840 small children and so forth. So it was perfect too, 1:34:13.000 --> 1:34:17.759 and that began obviously a lot of different wolf stuff. 1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:20.360 Absolutely, yeah, he's got a lot of things going on. 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:24.559 So it's like very much. But so you got you, 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:27.040 we saw like doing some research on you that you 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:31.439 got started like doing stand up. Yes at seventeen, Yes, 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:33.679 that's exacting. We're both stand ups. 1:34:33.920 --> 1:34:34.439 Oh cool. 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:42.520 Yeah, And I was being at the Apollo as a teen, ticnic, treacherous. 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:46.840 You said, yes, well, you know there's certain you know, 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:49.599 like every room has its tricks, as you as I'm 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:51.400 sure you all know it's. 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:54.160 Dudes, and don't you know. And so there's a. 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:57.760 Particular you know ethic associating with the Apollo. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:34:57.880 Has to do it. 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:03.639 Hit them hard, hit them fast, or you will go 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:10.320 down the dark path of humiliation. Wow. 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:14.840 As a New York person, you know, usually everyone it's 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:17.160 always the negatives of like, well this has changed, and 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:18.880 that's changed and it used to be like this, and 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:21.200 I liked it better there. What are things that you 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:23.519 that have changed that you're like, I like this, this 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:24.120 is nice. 1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:29.479 Well, you know, neighborhoods that used to be completely filled 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:33.360 with the destruction and criminality only have less of it. 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:39.240 And yeah, so New York is scrubbed up. Well, let's 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:43.280 just face it compared to the eighties. Yeah, so I 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:47.479 welcome even you know some of the things that people 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:50.160 complain about that has come as a result of cleaning 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:53.120 it up. I'm like, just clean it up, please, And 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:54.280 so I'm happy about that. 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:56.760 And was it cool to shoot in New York, like 1:35:56.800 --> 1:35:58.040 on the streets and stuff? 1:35:58.080 --> 1:35:59.960 They rested? Yeah? Was that fun? 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:04.040 Yeah? They I think they arrested me in a homeless shelter. 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:07.080 Yeah, in this episode, but that is your other, your 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:10.280 other episode where you're driving Richard kind around. Oh yeah, 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:13.200 you got you're you're on the streets and that one. 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:13.759 That's true. 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:17.760 Yeah, And we and we shot at the airport. I 1:36:17.760 --> 1:36:20.320 had to pick them up from the airport as an attach. 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.360 That was cool. I didn't even know people were allowed 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:24.479 to do that in New York. 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:25.360 I didn't either. 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:28.679 Yeah, it's well, that's a Dick wolf Power. I guess 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:33.639 he's like Oports. So I was like, wow, this is cool. 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:36.840 And so yeah, it's always great shooting on the streets 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:38.440 of New York, you know, because people. 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:41.360 Are nonplussed or or they're you know. 1:36:41.400 --> 1:36:44.519 They're really like, you know, uh in your face either 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:46.640 or like. 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:49.160 And how was that interrogation scene intense? 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:52.640 The thing the scene I liked the most about the 1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:55.600 interrogation scene was cool because because I. 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:58.000 See it was in the scene. I see it was 1:36:58.040 --> 1:36:58.599 just kind of. 1:36:58.520 --> 1:37:02.920 Like in between takes, was just like talking about in 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:03.880 jail and. 1:37:05.880 --> 1:37:07.479 You know, see in jail culture. 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:10.439 He's like I guess he's like a guru of the 1:37:10.520 --> 1:37:13.519 underground or some kind. So he was telling us about 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:16.519 the nuances of jail culture and the dudes and don't 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:19.200 and I said wow, and then they were like okay. 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:21.040 Actually they started grilling. 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:25.720 So it was really fascinating, you know, being in a 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:27.160 scene with him. 1:37:27.520 --> 1:37:30.639 Yeah, I see it had an amazing podcast for a while, 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:33.959 and he was very in He is a pursuer of knowledge, 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:36.479 like he really does, like want to know about news 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:38.680 and like he I remember he had an author on 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:41.559 who had written all these best selling books from prison 1:37:41.840 --> 1:37:44.559 and like, so, I think he definitely tries to like 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:47.880 know about that culture and like you know, amplify those 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:51.080 voices and stuff. But he's he's definitely a smart dude. 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:52.679 He is brilliant guy. 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:55.679 Yeah, one day we'll meet him. 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:58.360 How did you get into character? I mean it's like 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:01.800 kind of a tough role to play someone kind of 1:38:01.840 --> 1:38:03.400 shaken about and being bullied. 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:07.400 You know, I'm accustomed to that. 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:16.680 My whole childhood had information that I could draw from. 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:17.320 Growing up in New York being bullied. Yes, that was. 1:38:19.439 --> 1:38:23.720 Like totally Uh, I guess that that was my entire 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:25.280 adolescent shaken up. 1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:26.439 Yes, that was it. 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:30.400 Yeah. I really like the way you played this character though, 1:38:30.400 --> 1:38:32.080 because you could tell the guys like down On is 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:35.160 lucky struggling with addiction. But you're not playing it like crazy, 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.840 Like you're not you're not Overwrow, You're not like scratching 1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:41.439 and going nuts, you know, like you're just kind of like, 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:44.840 you know, you were like I remember when I was 1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:46.240 watching it, I was like, wait, did this guy have 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:48.080 anything to do with it? But I feel bad for him, 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:50.240 you know, you're really kind of Yeah, I. 1:38:50.240 --> 1:38:54.360 Was trying to mask symptoms, which is I think is 1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:58.599 what people really do as opposed to expose it. All right, 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.320 It's kind of like acting from the inside out. You know, 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:05.360 when people are gesticulating, they are acting from the outside in. 1:39:06.320 --> 1:39:08.720 So it's more about what's going on inside. 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:11.360 And what your behavior su yest. 1:39:11.680 --> 1:39:14.880 So yeah, I hate to be you know, I don't 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:16.439 want to be too intellectual about it, but you. 1:39:16.400 --> 1:39:17.639 Know what I mean, or too processing. 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.400 That makes a lot of sense. 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:22.920 And what I love about SVU is like it is 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.320 cop Ganda at a certain degree, but then they do 1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:28.479 show that cops do bad things. And I feel like 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:31.759 that scene was very much like, yeah, this shit happens, 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.400 and it's messed up that they are putting like trying 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:35.880 to pin you on a crime that you didn't do, 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:37.400 and they didn't care that if you did or didn't 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:37.640 do it. 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:38.040 You know. 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:41.519 Yeah, I said a lot small scene but said so much. 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:44.640 Yeah. I think all the episodes that I've done in 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:48.320 this particular universe, I'm feel grateful to have been a 1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:52.680 part of because they did they were nuanced portrayals and 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:54.559 new and nuanced stories. 1:39:54.560 --> 1:39:57.120 They weren't just sort of like you know, that shitty 1:39:57.160 --> 1:39:57.719 Blue Blood. 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:11.400 So I'm sorry, it's like, you know, like. 1:40:13.200 --> 1:40:16.400 Oh my my people, we need so much help help us. 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:20.960 Do you remember anything like about working with like Marisco 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:22.280 or christ. 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:30.640 Is unforgettable? Uh. 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:34.320 She is probably one of the most spiritually attractive women 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:36.920 that I've ever met in my life outside. 1:40:36.520 --> 1:40:37.080 Of my wife. 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:43.519 And what spiritually spiritually attractive? I love definition not. 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:46.320 Somebody just has a vibe where it's just like, damn, 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.599 she's She makes me want to walk a lady across 1:40:50.640 --> 1:40:51.720 the street or some ship. 1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:56.400 I want to be decent, a. 1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:02.640 Profound decency that the woman and I actually actually in 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:06.679 that in the scene where we were, uh where where 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:11.280 I get where I get assaulted or whatever or caught 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:13.519 by the police, She's the one who wrestles me to 1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:15.760 the ground, And that was very hard to me to 1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:16.960 like play like. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:22.599 I was disturbed by this. I was like, We're gonna 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:24.320 have to do another take because I don't think that 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:32.920 was gonna take en up. Please. But yeah, I enjoyed 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:36.160 working with her, to say the least. But uh yeah, 1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:38.000 Chris was good too. He was good too. 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:42.960 That's actually how most of these go people are, Like 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:45.400 Marishka light of my life. 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:48.799 The most gorgeous in and out funny the set is hers. 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:55.759 He was stretching in the corner exactly, professional, great actor 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:58.000 doing deep squats, like that's all we hear. 1:41:59.120 --> 1:42:00.680 Exactly. 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:02.120 It doesn't move fast. 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:04.519 Sorry, oh no, but like it moved fast, Like how 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.880 many takes did you do of the like the stunt. 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:10.080 Might have been too and they were like good enough, 1:42:10.160 --> 1:42:10.559 let's go. 1:42:11.280 --> 1:42:15.000 Wow, But that makes sense, you know in our procedural drama, 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:17.080 you know they gotta move. 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:18.960 Yeah, we hear it's fast. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:22.439 Yeah, so it's not. You know, there's a lot of 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:25.880 frustration if you're if you're not even missed your lot, 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:28.599 it's a lot of like you feel like your life 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:29.559 is going to be threatened. 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:34.559 It's like, I'm sorry, we'll do it again. You know. 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:39.400 They don't have the luxury, which I understand like sitcoms 1:42:39.479 --> 1:42:39.880 or something. 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:43.400 We have another take, it's. 1:42:43.240 --> 1:42:46.800 A live audience or whatever, right, right, So you guys 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:48.240 are really into this show. 1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:51.200 Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I was like, oh you 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:53.879 were outside, Like we're probably watching like five six episodes 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:58.920 at a time where we're doing full analysis, researching the crimes. Prep. 1:42:59.120 --> 1:43:01.360 Yeah, a lot of a lot of crimes. 1:43:01.120 --> 1:43:04.880 Full confession. My daughter who was a child at the time. 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:08.840 I mean maybe when she's about nine or ten. She 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:13.519 found this show and ended up being watching this show. 1:43:14.040 --> 1:43:18.600 I thought that we needed therapy seriously, and come to 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:21.640 find out, she was really interested in the rights of 1:43:22.439 --> 1:43:27.200 people who needed to be defended, who were voiceless, and 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:31.559 she ended up being a very very compassionate person and 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:36.080 a crusader for rights, and she really really wanted to 1:43:36.120 --> 1:43:37.240 meet Mariska. 1:43:37.360 --> 1:43:40.080 She was she's that's her favorite actress, by the way, 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:42.720 So it might be one day I could arrange it. 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:45.839 But yeah, yeah, you got to get back on SVU. 1:43:46.080 --> 1:43:47.599 If you came back, who would you play? 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:49.000 I don't know. 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:54.040 I'd play anything on that show definitely, but would I 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:58.000 would definitely do it simply to make Mariska say hello 1:43:58.080 --> 1:43:58.759 to my daughter. 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:02.479 Motivation would Yeah. 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:04.360 You know, it's funny we hear that a lot people 1:44:04.400 --> 1:44:07.120 are like, this show made me become a forensic scientist. 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:09.680 This show got me into the law. Like, you know, 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:14.479 it's interesting that you know she felt that way because 1:44:14.800 --> 1:44:17.240 the show a lot of times makes defense attorneys look 1:44:17.360 --> 1:44:21.960 really bad and makes like the prosecutors look like the heroes. 1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:26.720 And but it's like people, he's not basic. Yeah, she 1:44:26.840 --> 1:44:28.439 saw past that. She saw past that. 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:31.960 Yes, and also and also I think that riscus passion 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:38.320 to defend vulnerable yes, girls and so forth is very 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:42.760 resonant among young women. You know, yeah, like somebody needs 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.960 to get in the middle of this crap, so. 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:48.799 She'll do it, like you know, yeah, and always always 1:44:48.840 --> 1:44:52.360 believing victims and stuff. Yeah, she's definitely. Yeah. 1:44:52.400 --> 1:44:56.120 Are your kids interested in like acting in artistic pursuits 1:44:56.360 --> 1:44:57.200 or not at all? 1:44:57.520 --> 1:45:02.120 Oh god, no, well my daughter, my son is definitely. 1:45:02.240 --> 1:45:05.080 So that's we're gonna we're gonna work that out of 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:06.120 him shortly. 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:12.000 Now, I do have to ask, how often are people 1:45:12.040 --> 1:45:15.200 coming up to you yelling cool runnings. 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:18.599 Every day of my life? 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:21.080 What I thought? 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:26.639 Yes, that and an assortment of other film related quotes 1:45:26.840 --> 1:45:30.880 in that movie you know You're dead, you know, all 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:32.760 sorts of different things, Yes, ye. 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:34.800 More And then is that more than cause like, so 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:37.639 cool running is number one? That's like what people approach 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:38.000 you for. 1:45:39.080 --> 1:45:41.280 Yes, and one of approached me for a lot of 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:45.080 different things, but mostly cool Runnings. Yes, definitely, that is. 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:48.360 That's obviously enduring, you know for generally we. 1:45:48.320 --> 1:45:51.040 Watched it in school, Yes, that was the first time 1:45:51.080 --> 1:45:52.880 I saw it. Was like in school, a. 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:54.479 Lot of people tell me that that and. 1:45:54.640 --> 1:45:56.799 Wow, like it's educational viewing. 1:45:57.479 --> 1:46:01.640 Yeah, I've heard shown in a lot of places, like 1:46:01.720 --> 1:46:02.080 it was. 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:05.519 A big favorite in jail. Apparently it was one of 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:06.920 the things they could agree on. 1:46:07.880 --> 1:46:09.960 To watch because you know, there's you know, there's a 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:12.160 lot of people fighting over one television. 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:13.639 So I've heard that a lot. 1:46:13.960 --> 1:46:17.960 You know, did you how did you make your jump 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:20.599 from like stand up as a teen into acting? Were 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:22.400 you always gonna did you always know you wanted to 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:24.679 do that? Or were you like, did stand up lead 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:27.439 to that? Or were you a theater kid? Yeah? 1:46:27.640 --> 1:46:31.040 No, I was not as well. I didn't perform in theater, 1:46:31.080 --> 1:46:32.599 but I wouldn't call myself a theater kid. 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:35.760 I would uh in high school productions and stuff. 1:46:35.760 --> 1:46:37.880 I got kicked out of the drama club. 1:46:37.800 --> 1:46:44.960 For foolishness bad boy basically, but I but I. 1:46:45.200 --> 1:46:48.599 But the principal of my school recognized that a pension 1:46:48.760 --> 1:46:51.160 for for being. 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:54.479 Comically disruptive, and he said, okay, well, he set aside 1:46:54.520 --> 1:46:58.280 assemblings for me to just have minutes basically minutes, you know, 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:01.639 and that I started developing that by by going getting 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:04.560 on stage during assemblies and entertaining my So he was 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:07.840 a genius by Paul James Bonnilla. 1:47:07.800 --> 1:47:10.280 God rest his sol That is cool. 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:13.040 So that's where I got my taste for the stage. 1:47:13.560 --> 1:47:19.559 But I ended up being seen at the Apollo. I 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:20.040 did this. 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:22.920 They had a television show show Tomic Paulow at that time, 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:25.519 I was on a front of pit and so I 1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:27.120 got sow by a lot of seen by a lot 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:29.320 of people there. I did a spike saw me at 1:47:29.320 --> 1:47:31.040 the Apollo and put me in a couple of movies. 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:34.519 And Russell Simmons at the time was doing a show 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:39.120 that was produced after the Apollo Show, and it's called 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:41.599 New Music Report that I wrote and hosted and so forth, 1:47:42.000 --> 1:47:45.519 so and and so most of my work that came 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:47.679 from there, initially my acting work. 1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:52.080 Wow. Wow, that's awesome. That's so cool that you had 1:47:52.080 --> 1:47:55.000 a principle that didn't just say like shut up, stop 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:59.880 being a clown and like actually like fostered your soal 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:01.320 and send your strengths you. 1:48:01.280 --> 1:48:02.880 Know, yes, yes. 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:05.960 And I actually had a conversation with some of the 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:10.640 other Christian brothers years later and they're like, he always. 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:15.040 Had a had a had an understanding of kids, you know, literally, 1:48:15.120 --> 1:48:18.479 you know, I'm like, yeah, that's the point when you're 1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:23.600 around kids, you should be trying to understand. So, yeah, 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:24.760 gifted like that. 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:28.640 Can you tell us about In the Weeds? Writing, directing, 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:31.000 producing in it? Tell us about it? 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:33.559 Oh, I'm so excited about this movie. 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:37.559 Myself and a good friend of mine, Clayton Alice, we uh, 1:48:37.640 --> 1:48:40.519 you know, the high of the pandemic happened and we were. 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.440 Sitting around the industry was shut. 1:48:42.200 --> 1:48:45.759 Down, and we said, okay, you know, okay, Mickey, Okay, Judy, 1:48:45.960 --> 1:48:49.120 let's do a movie. So we got all of our 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:53.280 various friends together, dps, lighting people, actors, actresses and so so, 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:56.639 and we decided to just kind of like begin just shooting. 1:48:56.680 --> 1:48:57.960 You didn't have a completed script. 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:01.479 We had just an outline and ifferent ideas that we 1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:04.280 wanted to work out that were resident in terms of 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:06.600 what we were seeing in terms of people's anguish and 1:49:06.720 --> 1:49:10.479 pain and and and and separation from loved ones, etc. 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:13.839 Cetera. And we decided, okay, let's just start doing something. 1:49:13.920 --> 1:49:16.120 So we we we improvised. 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:17.919 First a couple of scenes, and then we went and scripted. 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:20.480 So we ended up with something that spectacular. 1:49:20.520 --> 1:49:23.320 It's called In the Weeds. And as we all you know, 1:49:23.360 --> 1:49:25.720 we're all in the weeds and after. 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:29.839 A list crap and uh, hopefully we're we're moving put. 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:31.720 Moving into it and coming out on. 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:34.639 The other side healed and enlightened and so forth. 1:49:34.880 --> 1:49:36.920 And so that's really what the movie is about. Playing 1:49:36.920 --> 1:49:38.479 a father was really. 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:40.800 A strained from his daughter. He's an adult daughter, which 1:49:40.840 --> 1:49:42.160 I am dealing with now. 1:49:42.320 --> 1:49:43.040 And it's I. 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:44.760 Don't want to I want to hear what's going on, 1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:49.600 but I don't, you know, uh, you guys this that, 1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:52.160 And of course I was I was a guy once, 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:52.879 so I'm. 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:58.200 Like, this is a horror story. So it's really. 1:49:58.040 --> 1:50:00.639 About him not being in touch with and a stranger 1:50:00.720 --> 1:50:03.439 and trying to find her and on the outs with her. 1:50:03.680 --> 1:50:06.200 But in the sub story, it subplot is really about 1:50:06.200 --> 1:50:06.600 her and. 1:50:06.640 --> 1:50:12.960 This romance, this young English Indian English transplant from uh 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:16.520 in London and their love affair. 1:50:16.360 --> 1:50:19.120 And you know, all that, all that stuff that. 1:50:18.720 --> 1:50:25.960 That is upsetting to fathers. But eventually it all resolves itself. 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:29.799 Somehow we figure out, you know, we learned something about something. 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:32.880 So it's very it's very mysterious. It deals with with 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:35.800 healing and the fact that the things that heal us 1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:38.960 right in front of us you know that we were 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:42.040 fascinated with, like, you know, stuff that grows out of 1:50:42.080 --> 1:50:44.480 the streets and herbs and stuff. 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:45.760 Like that, and you know, so it's really about trying 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:47.559 to heal ourselves. That's that's what it is. 1:50:48.400 --> 1:50:50.400 That's awesome. And where can people watch it? 1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:51.880 Right now? 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:55.360 We're we're placing the film in under festival consideration, so 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:59.760 we should hear about where it will be in. 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:02.360 Oh, amazing, amazing, amazing. 1:51:03.360 --> 1:51:06.479 Yeah, and what about We're also curious to know about 1:51:06.479 --> 1:51:10.400 your writing career books? Yeah, well, the Fall of nineteen 1:51:10.439 --> 1:51:12.400 eighty seven, the year I was born, No big deal. 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:16.880 Oh my god, that's sary that I am an a 1:51:17.280 --> 1:51:18.040 ar P member. 1:51:18.160 --> 1:51:22.439 So my parents get air P and I read it 1:51:22.520 --> 1:51:24.679 and I like it. It's a pretty good magazine. 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:28.040 Fantastic the magazine. 1:51:28.200 --> 1:51:29.880 They wait to have it waiting for me when I 1:51:29.920 --> 1:51:33.559 go visit, and I like it. Liam Neeson was on 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:34.000 the cover. 1:51:34.640 --> 1:51:36.799 They have great people, great great old people. 1:51:37.479 --> 1:51:40.040 Yeah. But yeah, tell us about your book. 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:43.080 How is it different than writing and like doing movies 1:51:43.120 --> 1:51:43.519 and TV. 1:51:44.360 --> 1:51:46.400 It seems kind of like a nightmare writing a book. 1:51:46.920 --> 1:51:47.599 It seems hard. 1:51:48.160 --> 1:51:50.679 It's actually it's actually really my chosen profession. 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:53.880 You know, I started usually stand up you're writing, but 1:51:53.920 --> 1:51:57.000 then you know, I segued into a writer, you know, 1:51:57.040 --> 1:51:59.759 being a head writer of a sketch show called New Musical. 1:52:00.080 --> 1:52:03.679 Like I said, there was produced vir systemis. I've always 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:07.599 been writing. But then my goal is to is to 1:52:07.920 --> 1:52:10.439 continue to write books, which I love the most because 1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:12.759 it's isolated activity and I'm hard to get. 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:17.000 Along with, I guess and uh so. And also I'm 1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:18.639 like I said, when we get older, you get time 1:52:18.720 --> 1:52:22.519 of being engaged all the time. You know, this is 1:52:22.520 --> 1:52:24.320 something I can do and I can walk in the 1:52:24.400 --> 1:52:25.720 park and I can do this. 1:52:26.600 --> 1:52:30.360 I don't have to be like, you know, collaborating all 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:32.880 the time. So it's a nice meditative thing. It's kind 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:35.040 of it's either write books. 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:36.880 Or go to the laundry man, you know, one of these. 1:52:39.760 --> 1:52:42.679 So yeah, I love it. The book is great. 1:52:42.720 --> 1:52:46.960 The book is really a sort of an analysis of 1:52:47.479 --> 1:52:50.680 the period of the late eighties in brook In Bedsti. 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:51.519 Brooklyn, where I grew up. 1:52:51.720 --> 1:52:54.000 You know, all of the greatest people on earth are 1:52:54.040 --> 1:53:00.439 from Jackie Gleeson, uh jay Z you know. But anyway, 1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:03.720 so it's really just about that that that the late 1:53:03.760 --> 1:53:06.400 eighties period was sort of the silver of the post 1:53:06.400 --> 1:53:10.720 civil rights uh so called hip hop generation era and 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:12.880 the birth of hip hop and so forth and all 1:53:12.920 --> 1:53:15.920 that and uh and it deals with a lot of 1:53:15.920 --> 1:53:20.559 the issues that came up and during that time and 1:53:20.560 --> 1:53:25.640 and uh mostly about the so called pracktic epidemic and 1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:29.559 its impact on people's lives and uh and in some 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:34.599 cases made people extremely resilient and and and very very 1:53:34.600 --> 1:53:38.400 successful as a result of having gone through the nightmare. 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:41.360 Of such a thing. It's a great book, if I 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:42.200 say so myself. 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:45.679 Yeah, and then you're currently you're currently working on another one. 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:48.200 Yes, this one is more I guess you could say, 1:53:48.200 --> 1:53:50.920 a more commercial book, so to speak. This one is 1:53:50.920 --> 1:53:53.960 a is the behind the scenes of the greatest Bops 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:55.519 led movie full Time. 1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:58.400 Yeah. 1:53:58.920 --> 1:54:01.559 So so I'm having a lot of fun, right because 1:54:01.600 --> 1:54:05.000 it's a lot of memories about what happened, uh when 1:54:05.000 --> 1:54:10.959 that's said and John Candy of course Britain and. 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.479 Uh, you know, so it's a great it's nice to 1:54:13.520 --> 1:54:14.360 go down memory lane. 1:54:14.400 --> 1:54:16.840 I think people are really really gonna enjoy this this book. 1:54:17.080 --> 1:54:18.639 It's it's this one is a lot of fun. 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:21.600 While filming that movie, did you guys feel it was 1:54:21.640 --> 1:54:22.320 going to be a hit. 1:54:24.360 --> 1:54:27.880 I didn't know or feel that, but you know, John 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:31.440 was telling us, Oh yeah, youse. 1:54:30.600 --> 1:54:34.680 These guys don't understand. I'm from Canada. This is big. 1:54:36.920 --> 1:54:39.920 I was there when this happened, and I actually was like, 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:42.600 you know, is he psychic or something? 1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:45.920 Like what why is he so passionate about I was. 1:54:46.000 --> 1:54:47.440 I had I had a told me with you at 1:54:47.440 --> 1:54:50.280 the time that was on it. It was it was 1:54:50.280 --> 1:54:52.200 a mid season replacement the ABC. 1:54:52.840 --> 1:54:54.120 It was called Where I Lived. 1:54:54.200 --> 1:54:57.400 So I had all my money on that, thinking, yeah, 1:54:57.440 --> 1:54:59.640 when this when Mike told him Joe comes out, it's 1:54:59.640 --> 1:55:01.560 gonna be I'm going to be the best, biggest of 1:55:01.720 --> 1:55:02.080 the book. 1:55:02.280 --> 1:55:04.360 So I was like, okay, I'll also do the Bobs 1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:12.120 that movie too. I was like, oh, man, like the 1:55:12.200 --> 1:55:14.440 thing I guess so no, I did not. 1:55:15.240 --> 1:55:18.120 No, that's so funny. And then yeah, cut to the 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:20.680 rest of your life. Bob Slut references every day. 1:55:22.200 --> 1:55:24.720 I can't wait for this book. All the secrets. 1:55:25.240 --> 1:55:28.400 Yeah, there are a lot of them, a lot of them. 1:55:28.480 --> 1:55:31.120 I'm leaving a little nervous about some of the stories. 1:55:31.760 --> 1:55:34.840 I actually actually am. 1:55:34.040 --> 1:55:36.560 Nervous about how I describe the other guys who played 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:39.000 in the bobser because it's really just a joke. 1:55:39.120 --> 1:55:41.120 But I but my wife was like, I don't know 1:55:41.120 --> 1:55:45.640 about this because let me let me, let me, let 1:55:45.680 --> 1:55:47.880 me try to test it out on me. I say, 1:55:48.760 --> 1:55:49.839 the guys in the box. 1:55:49.680 --> 1:55:54.040 Of the movie are like prototypical man, but different slices 1:55:54.120 --> 1:55:58.360 of man. Like you know, I said that Roald Lewis, 1:55:58.400 --> 1:56:01.040 who played Junior, it is like one of the nicest man. 1:56:01.120 --> 1:56:02.120 Which you'll ever meet. 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:04.520 He's so nice that he could actually have a relationship 1:56:04.520 --> 1:56:06.760 with a woman based solely on friendship. 1:56:07.120 --> 1:56:10.720 This is me on the other hand, I'm very nice, 1:56:10.760 --> 1:56:12.000 but not that nice. 1:56:12.400 --> 1:56:14.080 Like I could go out on a date with a 1:56:14.120 --> 1:56:16.720 woman and have a very wonderful, polite conversation, but at 1:56:16.760 --> 1:56:17.800 the end I would say. 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:22.440 Is that it? You know? That's me? So so uh uh. 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:26.000 Malik Yova is a fantastic guy, a lot of fun. 1:56:26.280 --> 1:56:27.840 He's the kind of guy that. 1:56:27.800 --> 1:56:31.080 Would go out with a woman, have sexual intercourse and 1:56:31.240 --> 1:56:38.000 yell out her name. Leon on the other hand, also 1:56:38.360 --> 1:56:41.520 fun with women, but he'd have sexual incourses with a 1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:43.640 woman and yell out his own name. 1:56:48.400 --> 1:56:51.720 But on pump. So that's a little slice of you know. 1:56:52.520 --> 1:56:53.640 I think it's appropriate. 1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:55.760 I don't think it's that I don't think it's a 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:56.760 crossing the line. 1:56:56.920 --> 1:56:59.920 Okay, Okay, that's funny. It's really just these are like 1:57:00.040 --> 1:57:02.560 my brother so it's Josh. 1:57:02.880 --> 1:57:04.360 But are you still friends? 1:57:04.640 --> 1:57:08.600 Yes, yes, yes, yeah, I'm all of them. We were 1:57:08.640 --> 1:57:13.240 all together about a month ago. Yeah, so it's always 1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:14.160 great when we get together. 1:57:14.200 --> 1:57:17.640 It's always Yeah, it's always weird because people like there's 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:18.839 the bob Sled people. 1:57:25.720 --> 1:57:27.960 Do you think I know they like trade. They probably 1:57:28.000 --> 1:57:30.080 like gave you some like basic training. Do you think 1:57:30.080 --> 1:57:31.000 you could bob sload? 1:57:31.640 --> 1:57:33.120 I did it once. Yes, I did it. 1:57:33.360 --> 1:57:34.520 Oh and. 1:57:36.000 --> 1:57:39.840 It was really like it's hard to describe, but it's 1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:41.920 like from what I understand, it's like jumping out of 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:45.120 a plane, which I've never done, but the g forces 1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:47.840 are so like there's so much so it's not like 1:57:47.880 --> 1:57:48.720 a roller coaster. 1:57:49.040 --> 1:57:49.680 It's like jumping. 1:57:49.720 --> 1:57:53.680 Yeah, so intent And yeah I did it once and 1:57:53.760 --> 1:57:55.080 I probably will do it again. 1:57:55.120 --> 1:57:57.200 But yeah, I had to do it once. 1:57:57.560 --> 1:58:00.680 Oh see yeah that's it sounds scary. It's like so fast. 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:03.600 This was amazing. Yeah, this was an amazing chat. Thank 1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:05.560 you so much for taking the time to talk to us. 1:58:05.880 --> 1:58:07.160 Appreciate it. Thank you. 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:14.080 A legend an icon, a star. He would show up 1:58:14.080 --> 1:58:14.960 in a head game. 1:58:15.240 --> 1:58:19.360 He is. I love when you google Dougie Dog though 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:21.480 that it goes Dougie. Doug is not a retired rapper. 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:23.680 He's never been a rapper. Like it's just like a 1:58:23.760 --> 1:58:26.760 full you're thinking of someone else. Dougie doug is an actor. 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:30.480 I just love yeah that he was like, I like 1:58:30.520 --> 1:58:32.800 people that in the Pandemic too, were like, I'm going 1:58:32.880 --> 1:58:35.840 to like make something or you know, use my resources 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:38.560 that I can. I think that in the Weeds movie 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:41.120 that he talked about, seems we'll post a link to 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:42.880 the trailer he sent you to a great idea. 1:58:43.760 --> 1:58:46.120 Yeah, fucking fun cool. 1:58:46.640 --> 1:58:49.160 I love him starting as you know, as a stand 1:58:49.240 --> 1:58:53.320 up is thrilling of forest writing. We keep talking to 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:58.680 multifaceted people and that's really cool. Yes, yeah, I love 1:58:58.760 --> 1:59:02.280 telling people are about our game. Yes, it's like yeah, 1:59:02.320 --> 1:59:04.560 Lou Diamond Phillips like, who are you? I don't know 1:59:05.400 --> 1:59:08.280 why the people that we get on this spot as why? 1:59:10.000 --> 1:59:12.320 But I love this episode, Like I really thought it 1:59:12.400 --> 1:59:16.960 had like a lot of very interesting themes about like 1:59:17.040 --> 1:59:20.600 can you be rehabilitated? You know, what makes one person's 1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:23.760 mistakes of the past more easy to look over than 1:59:23.800 --> 1:59:25.280 someone else's, you know, like. 1:59:25.320 --> 1:59:27.680 Yeah, like when when he called out Cragan was like, 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:30.080 well you were a fucking alcoholic and you changed, Like 1:59:30.120 --> 1:59:30.800 why am I not. 1:59:30.720 --> 1:59:31.440 Getting the grace? 1:59:31.960 --> 1:59:32.120 Yeah? 1:59:32.240 --> 1:59:35.880 You but you know there's murder. I get it. But 1:59:37.000 --> 1:59:38.680 and if it wasn't as it just sucks. 1:59:38.680 --> 1:59:40.480 Like I always hate when the detectives are so dead 1:59:40.520 --> 1:59:43.560 set on something, you know. But he was being set up, 1:59:44.040 --> 1:59:48.000 so it was a thriller. This was like the movie 1:59:48.000 --> 1:59:50.640 The Fugitive, you know, edge of your seat thrilling. 1:59:51.360 --> 1:59:54.760 It was. It was exactly that I'm realizing now. It's 1:59:54.800 --> 1:59:56.520 one of like some of the episodes of the show, 1:59:56.560 --> 1:59:58.720 and some of my favorite ones are set up like movies, 1:59:58.760 --> 2:00:01.160 and this one felt like a movie me, like just 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:04.520 a full frame job in the end, like and and 2:00:04.560 --> 2:00:06.000 like the whole time I was watching, I was like, 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:09.040 oh yeah. I was like, this is gonna be one 2:00:09.040 --> 2:00:11.960 where he did do it and he's just denying it. 2:00:12.000 --> 2:00:13.760 And then I was like, oh no, wait, the daughter 2:00:13.920 --> 2:00:15.680 does it because she doesn't like that he's in love 2:00:15.720 --> 2:00:17.920 with this younger girl. I was like, it's Zoe Saldana. 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:20.920 And then I was like, I'm completely on the wrong track, 2:00:20.960 --> 2:00:22.720 and I've seen this episode at least three times in 2:00:22.760 --> 2:00:25.280 my life, so I liked that it kept me guessing, 2:00:25.320 --> 2:00:28.320 even on a rewatch, because I, you know, my mind 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:29.360 is flooded with SVU. 2:00:29.640 --> 2:00:29.720 No. 2:00:29.880 --> 2:00:32.879 I knew it was that fucking dork. I knew his ass. 2:00:33.040 --> 2:00:36.040 No, even when they were allowing that was wild. The 2:00:36.240 --> 2:00:40.240 likes detail was very good, truly, you're so right, Like 2:00:40.280 --> 2:00:43.360 the Fugitive, I didn't kill my wife, like it's the Fugitive. 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:46.640 The Fugitive was big in the Tragger Household. 2:00:46.640 --> 2:00:49.360 It's big. I think I saw it with my family 2:00:49.400 --> 2:00:49.920 in the theater. 2:00:51.400 --> 2:00:54.120 It's an important It's one of the top nineties thrillers. 2:00:54.720 --> 2:00:58.440 Absolutely. Also for me, CeAl a Ward has always been 2:00:58.440 --> 2:01:01.120 one of the most beautiful actress who played his wife. 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:03.840 And it was in the show's Sisters that I talk 2:01:03.840 --> 2:01:06.880 about all the time because I love and I remember 2:01:07.000 --> 2:01:10.480 just that whole movie. I was like, what is gonna happen? 2:01:10.520 --> 2:01:12.880 And I remember I couldn't believe they turned the river 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:15.480 green in Chicago for Saint Patrick's Day. That's like where 2:01:15.520 --> 2:01:17.040 I learned about that was the Fugitive. 2:01:17.640 --> 2:01:19.560 Oh my god, I forgot where who I was talking to, 2:01:20.200 --> 2:01:24.920 but someone was like Savannah or Charleston, some dumb city 2:01:24.960 --> 2:01:27.360 I don't even remember, but they're like, that has the 2:01:27.360 --> 2:01:30.040 best Saint Patrick's Day in the country. And I was like, 2:01:30.520 --> 2:01:33.960 excuse me, like what are you talking about, Like is 2:01:34.000 --> 2:01:37.960 there even a giant Irish population? And they said that's irrelevant, 2:01:37.960 --> 2:01:40.840 and I go, no, it's not like you cannot say 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:44.080 that Charleston or whatever city this person said has a 2:01:44.120 --> 2:01:47.720 better Saint Patti's than like a Chicago Boston vibe, Like yeah, 2:01:47.760 --> 2:01:52.840 you just can't. Sorry, I do, Like, Charlton, have your 2:01:52.880 --> 2:01:56.360 parades ever been shut down because the city can't behave 2:01:56.480 --> 2:01:58.920 and the whole city needs to be punished, and so 2:01:59.000 --> 2:02:02.920 the parade gets taken away, Like no, so shut your mouth. 2:02:03.120 --> 2:02:06.200 Like I've never been to Chicago for Saint Patrick's Day, 2:02:06.200 --> 2:02:08.800 but I have been to Boston and South Boston, which 2:02:08.840 --> 2:02:12.640 is like the Irish area, and it was one of 2:02:12.640 --> 2:02:15.320 the craziest things I've ever with, Like. 2:02:16.280 --> 2:02:18.400 I had a regular day once I was waiting in 2:02:18.400 --> 2:02:20.400 line in Boston to get into a bar and someone 2:02:20.440 --> 2:02:23.240 grabbed me by the shoulders and moved me physically over 2:02:23.800 --> 2:02:25.240 twice like. 2:02:25.320 --> 2:02:27.960 It and I stepped on a dying rat that day. 2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:31.920 It was like truly like a wild Boston night. I 2:02:31.920 --> 2:02:37.680 guess a regular Boston night. Yeah, Boston is Yeah. They 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:40.000 are there at a party for fucking Saint Patrick's Day, 2:02:40.200 --> 2:02:42.360 for sure, but I didn't realize they would move your body. 2:02:42.720 --> 2:02:44.560 But wow, what a day. 2:02:45.600 --> 2:02:47.960 And you know about Dave Matthew's band in the Chicago 2:02:48.040 --> 2:02:50.040 River course, of course? 2:02:50.360 --> 2:02:53.120 Yeah, oh my god. Do you watch the show? I 2:02:53.160 --> 2:02:57.520 love that for you. Nobody should because Matt Rogers. It's 2:02:57.600 --> 2:03:00.640 funny and it's quick. It's like seven episodes and thirty minutes. 2:03:00.680 --> 2:03:03.160 You gotta watch it. It's fun. I liked it. So 2:03:03.280 --> 2:03:07.120 there's a scene where the comedian Punham Patel, I believe 2:03:07.160 --> 2:03:12.040 she's a comedian, she's also an actor, but she plays 2:03:12.080 --> 2:03:14.080 this character and she goes, I was actually the manager 2:03:14.120 --> 2:03:16.720 of Dave matthews band when they dumped all that shit 2:03:16.760 --> 2:03:19.240 into the Chicago River, and that was actually my call, 2:03:19.440 --> 2:03:22.360 like and it was just like such a funny aside 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:24.600 for all of us that remember that happening. 2:03:24.800 --> 2:03:28.560 Can you imagine being on a beautiful architectural boat tour 2:03:28.720 --> 2:03:34.240 of downtown Chicago, enjoying your family vacation. Maybe you just 2:03:34.280 --> 2:03:36.680 got engaged. You're on a nice boat ride and then 2:03:37.520 --> 2:03:39.520 shit flowing down on you. 2:03:39.960 --> 2:03:42.120 The shit of the Dave Matthews band though famous shit. 2:03:43.800 --> 2:03:48.200 So you imagine I can't. I can't I do like that. 2:03:48.280 --> 2:03:50.960 In the movie The Breakup, Vince Vaughan's job is like 2:03:51.240 --> 2:03:53.840 tour guide Chicago, because that was a lot of day 2:03:53.920 --> 2:03:54.880 jobs for comedians. 2:03:54.920 --> 2:03:57.280 They did tour guides, all right, right, Yeah, I. 2:03:57.240 --> 2:03:58.960 Just wouldn't be able to wake up and go go 2:03:59.040 --> 2:04:01.520 get a trolley driving a trolley around town. 2:04:01.600 --> 2:04:03.240 I don't think so. Yeah, I didn't realize that was 2:04:03.240 --> 2:04:05.040 his job. How do they have such a nice apartment? 2:04:05.120 --> 2:04:07.120 Is it her? She does better than him? Well, it's 2:04:07.120 --> 2:04:09.240 a fam He's not just the tour guide. It's a 2:04:09.240 --> 2:04:10.640 family business. And that's the thing. 2:04:10.720 --> 2:04:14.680 His brother, Vincent's Inafrio is pissed at him, right because 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:16.720 he's not working hard enough and he has to do 2:04:16.760 --> 2:04:18.840 all the books and then Vince wanas to mature and 2:04:18.880 --> 2:04:19.920 then he does the books. 2:04:20.960 --> 2:04:23.600 Casey, I know, we probably do. I know, we promised 2:04:23.640 --> 2:04:26.320 you we were going to do like like lighter post mortems, 2:04:26.320 --> 2:04:29.520 but we just can't shut the fuck up. Anyway. This 2:04:29.680 --> 2:04:32.400 was a killer episode. I think it's like what I 2:04:32.480 --> 2:04:35.560 learned was a little bit of like, let's yeah, let's 2:04:35.560 --> 2:04:39.080 not pin people's past mistakes on them forever. People can change. 2:04:39.920 --> 2:04:41.560 Let's get into our what would mister Peg do for 2:04:41.600 --> 2:04:43.560 this week, which is our weekly segment where we give 2:04:43.560 --> 2:04:46.560 you an organization, a book, a doc, an article, something 2:04:46.600 --> 2:04:49.840 to just pump up the info you have on whatever 2:04:49.920 --> 2:04:52.360 we talked about in this week's episode. And you know, 2:04:52.440 --> 2:04:56.080 I was taught thinking a lot about like recidivism in prisons, 2:04:56.120 --> 2:04:57.880 and I think Orange is a New Black is a 2:04:57.880 --> 2:04:59.520 show that really like brought that to light for me, 2:04:59.560 --> 2:05:02.080 Like when Tay he gets out and like she cannot function, 2:05:02.360 --> 2:05:05.040 And I was thinking about how this man in this 2:05:05.200 --> 2:05:09.520 episode got out, became a professor, became you know, a lawyer, 2:05:09.600 --> 2:05:13.720 all these things, and that's not everybody's story. So I 2:05:13.760 --> 2:05:17.120 wanted to highlight the Fortune Society, whose mission is to 2:05:17.160 --> 2:05:22.480 support successful re entry from incarceration into you know, regular life, 2:05:22.480 --> 2:05:24.040 I guess if you can call it regular, and to 2:05:24.040 --> 2:05:27.840 promote alternatives to incarceration. They are based in New York City. 2:05:27.880 --> 2:05:32.000 They offer housing, employment services, health services, substance abuse treatment, 2:05:32.000 --> 2:05:36.280 and many other services to recently incarcerated individuals, and they 2:05:36.280 --> 2:05:39.040 are also an advocacy group that pushes to shape policy 2:05:39.200 --> 2:05:41.440 that can restructure the criminal justice system, which if you 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:43.720 listen to this podcast, it needs a couple of tweaks, 2:05:44.560 --> 2:05:48.560 So for more information go to Fortunessociety dot org. 2:05:48.880 --> 2:05:52.520 That is yeah, Fortunessociety dot org. Thank you so much, Kara, 2:05:53.240 --> 2:05:55.520 and next week we'll be doing it. Sounded like I 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:58.680 was a morning news reporter and thanks for that for that, Kara. 2:06:00.880 --> 2:06:02.800 Next week we'll be doing granting immunity. 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:06.480 Moving on up to season sixteen, episode nineteen, All Divisible. 2:06:06.480 --> 2:06:08.320 Oh as, let's say to the visibles by three, but 2:06:08.480 --> 2:06:09.280 that's not true at all. 2:06:10.640 --> 2:06:15.680 I'm out of here. Watch the episode. Thanks for listening. 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