1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spaffer, joined as always 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hadco. It's coming to you 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field and West lambeau 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Field will be the host location of Sunday Night Football. 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: We are here to talk about the Packers against the 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. It's a big 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: one for both teams. The Packers have gotten themselves back 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: in the mix a little bit here in the NFC. 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: The Chiefs are chasing that loan first round. By that 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: only the number one seed in each conference gets under 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: the lights. And maybe they'll be a superstar in a 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: music superstar in a lambeau suite somewhere. I guess we'll 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: find that out at some point. But this is about football, 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: and this is gonna be a really, really exciting, entertaining 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: and highlyticipated game. 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Do you know something I don't know about Mick jaggerbying 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: here or something? I got jokes? Bad dad jokes. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Swifty Night Football is what some people might be calling this. 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: That's me, but you know, I get it, understand it. 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: I'm a part of it. I enjoy Taylor Swift music. 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: But I got some goosebumps in the locker room on Wednesday, 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: and it had nothing to do with Travis Kelce or 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift or pop culture. Had to do with John Runyan. 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: And I was pushing you big on the John Runyan Press, 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: you know, the press scrum yesterday. But Runyon had a 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: moment near the end of his scrum where he got 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: to talking about Sunday night football and Sunday night football 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: specifically in the month of December. And the thing that 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: he sort of have to remember is his first two 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: years here, NFC Championship game, Big year in twenty twenty one, 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: number one seed, a lot of Sunday night action. And 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: he said, you know, there's a lot of young guys 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: in the scene that haven't felt it yet. But there 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: is something special when you walk out on land Field 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: and you see your breath, you get those kind of chills, 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: those fall late fall, early winter vibes. Yeah, and there's 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: something that just brings it adia and him doing that 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: it almost kind of to me was like when people 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: describe like baking a cake or you know, Thanksgiving dinner 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: like it almost. It got me revd up because this 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: game in it itself, it sells itself. Yeah, Green Bay Packers, 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: surging offense, coming together five and six, very much alive 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: now in this playoff hunt. And then the Kansas City Chiefs. 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: I think when you look at marketability branding, this team 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: is the face of the National Football League, defending Super 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: Bowl champions And it's not just Patrick Mahomes, it's the 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: guys that have gotten the light put on them. Beyond that, 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think of a guy like Chris Jones. 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: I think of, you know, these players that have been 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: making an impact, but more importantly have been winning football games. 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: So as you talk to me about this and we 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: preview this game here coming up, I'm just so excited 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: to be back in December and obviously have a very 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: meaningful football game in front of us. 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, looking at the Kansas City Chiefs and the 57 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: season that they have had coming off of their second 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl title in the last handful of years. They 59 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: started off with a loss in that Thursday night kickoff 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: opener to the Detroit Lions, but then they bounced back 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: from that. They won six games in a row. They 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: were six and one. But now They've lost two of 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: their last four. Now. Granted, one of those was a 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: big Monday night game, you know, under the lights against 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, the top seed in the NFC. Really 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: good game, came right down to the wire. Those kind 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: of things happened. But there have been a lot of 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: questions about the Chiefs offense this year because it hasn't 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: been the explosive point producing machine that it has been 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: under Patrick Mahomes with Patrick Mahomes at the Helm in 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: recent years. But I tell you what, Wes you know. 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: I know the Raiders have had, you know, their share 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: of ups and downs and everything this year, and they 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: have the coaching situation going on there and all that. 75 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: But the Chiefs last week, they were behind fourteen to 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: nothing out of the gate to the Las Vegas Raiders, 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: and they ended up winning that game in a runaway. 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: They scored four touchdowns in a span of five possessions 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: and absolutely blew out the Raiders. After a slow start. 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are getting to where they're answering 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: some questions about the offense and getting to where maybe 82 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: this offense is going to start revving up for the 83 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: stretch run. Right when and where Kansas City wants it to, 84 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: and this is going to be a big time challenge 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: for Green Bay's defense to slow these guys down. 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: The Chiefs are in an interesting position in two different ways. One, 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: you obviously want to win as many games as you can, 88 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: you want the number one seed. But I think from 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: Kansas City's perspective, with as much confidence as they have 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 2: in Patrick Mahomes and that defense, they're thinking more about 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: how do we set ourselves up here to propel ourselves 92 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: into the postseason to try to make this back to 93 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: back run. But when I look scifically at the offense 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: and I look at Mahomes in this thing, in a 95 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: lot of ways, Mike, it sort of even reminds me 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: of those Brett Farve years after the Super Bowl, after 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: Mike Holmgren, where it was like you knew you had 98 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: Brett Farv. You might not have known all the other 99 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: names around him, but you had Brett Farv and you 100 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: were going to be able to score points, and you're 101 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: going to have production, maybe a few too many interceptions 102 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: for your liking, but you're going to move the football 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: with no disrespect to him. But the Antonio Chapmans of 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: the world, sure not to say the kansadate's in that predicament, 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: but it's Travis Kelcey and it's a wide variety of 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: receivers that are around him. There is not a Tyreek 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: Hill that's going to command one hundred and ten receptions. 108 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be a little bit of sky More, 109 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: it's going to be a little bit of mvs and 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: obviously the Rashi Rice who's coming on here for them 111 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: lately as well. Yeah, and they're all dangerous. That's my 112 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: main takeaway from where they're sitting right now is you 113 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: can't take them for granted in that because, as Kenny 114 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: Clark was discussing strictly speaking with Patrick Mahomes, he's one 115 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: of the rare quarterbacks that can beat you from the 116 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: pocket and with his feet, and when those two things 117 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: come together, it makes it really difficult in terms of 118 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: a defense trying to contain that weapon for four quarters. 119 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I did a little bit of research 120 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: with regard to Mahomes because he is he is the 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: offense's second leading rusher Kansas City behind Pacheco, who has 122 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: I believe it's six hundred and sixty nine yards and 123 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: five touchdowns. That's correct. But what I did is is 124 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: with Mahomes being the second leading rusher on the team, 125 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: he's officially he's averaging five point eight yards per carry. 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: But I went back through the Chiefs play by plays 127 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: and counted up all of the end of game, end 128 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: of half, or end of game usually end of game 129 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: kneel downs by Mahomes, And when you take those out, 130 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: he's had fifteen kneel downs for minus seventeen yards this season. 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: If you take those out, he's averaging eight point five 132 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: yards every time he takes off and scrambles. That's a 133 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: chain moving scrambler, is what that is. He You know, 134 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: he can absolutely kill you on third downs where you 135 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: can defend that offense for five or six or even 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: seven seconds as well as you could possibly defend Kelsey 137 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: and Rashie Rice and MVS and all these other guys, 138 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: and then Mahomes will still find a way to move 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: the chains because when he takes off, he finds a lane, 140 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: he maybe makes a guy miss, he has the angle 141 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: just to get to that first down marker. That's where 142 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: where I think this Packers defense that has certainly shown 143 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: some growth and some progress. You know, yes, there was 144 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: there was some bad run defense against Pittsburgh, but Kenny 145 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Pickett didn't do a whole lot in that game. The 146 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Packers contain Jared Goff. They haven't faced a quarterback like this, 147 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: who who can be so dangerous when you defend the 148 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: offense so well. And I think that's gonna be something 149 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on come Sunday night. 150 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Something else I thought was really funny. You were the 151 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: one to bring it to light for me about how 152 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 2: much at the end of these second quarters they've been scoring. 153 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's and that when I was doing 154 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: the research on the kneel downs, I'm looking through their 155 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: play by plays, and it's like, every time I look 156 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: at the second quarter, I'm like, oh, the Chiefs scored again. 157 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: Oh you scored like, you know, a field goal on 158 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the last play of the half or a touchdown with 159 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: five seconds left in the first half. That's the other 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: thing I was going to bring up because that prompted 161 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: me to look up another statistic. 162 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: The Chiefs have. 163 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Scored more than half of their points of the entire 164 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: season in the second quarter. Yeah, one hundred and thirty 165 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: two of their two hundred and fifty six points have 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: come in the second quarter. To be this many games 167 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: into the season and to have more than half your 168 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: points in one quarter of play, that's like almost unheard of. 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: It's uncanny. But so the point is, if the Packers 170 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: and Jordan Love and the offense, if they're going to 171 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: put together a you know, fifteen play ten minute scoring drive, 172 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: make it in the second quarter, so Mahomes doesn't have 173 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: quite so many chances to score points. Anyway, I'm sorry 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I interrupted you. We're going to make a point. 175 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: That was basically my point. I mean, just to quickly 176 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: put this out there. One hundred and thirty two points 177 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: in the second quarter. The Jets have one hundred and 178 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: sixty three for the season. I mean, this is a 179 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: unit that plays well and it plays to its strengths. 180 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: And if I may just to kind of give you 181 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: another preview of when you have confidence and you have 182 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: a core in a nucleus with their offense, defense, and 183 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: special teams. Last week we were talking with Detroit about 184 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: how Green Bay got off to that fast start and 185 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: they used the complimentary phase of football to basically ice 186 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: it right. Kansas City, look at some of these statistics 187 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: on them, Mike. They've returned five kickoffs this season. They 188 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: don't return kickoffs. They don't return kickoffs. I mean when 189 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: you look at Travis kelce Travis kelcey seventy receptions for 190 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: seven or and thirty two yards, five touchdowns. The guy's 191 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: thirty three to thirty four years old now at this 192 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: point in his career. I made the case an insider inbox. 193 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: In my money, he does this for another two three years. 194 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: You're talking about the greatest tight end of all time. Yeah, 195 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: with all due respect to Tony Gonzalez, another great Kansas 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: City Chief But defensively, they have six takeaways in terms 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: of interceptions, Like, there are ways to beat Kansas City, 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: and if you look at the games in which they've 199 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: lost this year, the three of them, it's because of 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: those things getting away from them. So for as dynamic 201 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: as they are, I don't want to call them predictable 202 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: because that'd be doing a disservice to all this. But 203 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: there is a very clear blueprint for how you beat 204 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: the Chiefs. The question for the Packers is can you 205 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: play to that level in order to achieve it? Yeah. 206 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: I mean when you look on the other side of 207 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: the ball, this Kansas City Chiefs defense, and I'm not 208 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: pretending to be an expert on the Chiefs and this 209 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: run they've had. 210 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: With you before we walked in here, you told me 211 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: you were an expert on the Chiefs and this run 212 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: that they're currently on. 213 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm not okay, But this run that includes 214 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: two Super Bowl championships, three AFC championships in the last 215 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: handful of years, this might be. This might be the 216 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: best defense that they've had. During this run. They are 217 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: third in the league in points allowed, fourth in the 218 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: league in yards allowed. They've reacked up thirty seven sacks. 219 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo, this defense is all about generating pressure on 220 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback, getting you into you know, the tough down 221 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,359 Speaker 1: in distances that force you to throw, and then Spagnola 222 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: will dial up, you know, these exotic looks, these crazy blitzes, 223 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: and make you react to them on the fly. George 224 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Karloftis leads the defense with eight sacks of those thirty seven. 225 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: But the engine in the middle of that defense is 226 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: Chris Jones. You mentioned his name before. He has seven 227 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: and a half sacks, but that doesn't even begin to 228 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: illustrate what he means to this Chiefs defense. He is 229 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: a massive, massive dude in the middle of that defensive line. 230 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: And even sometimes as big as he is, they'll still 231 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: line him up almost more in an in an ad 232 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: rushing position or even a five technique type of thing. 233 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: He's not necessarily on the interior all the time, but man, 234 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: he is a handful and and he you know, he 235 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: just he plugs up the middle, run and pass and 236 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: gets after the quarterback. Like you know, he's like an 237 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald in a sense. But he's but he's Aaron 238 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: Donald with a heck of a lot more size and 239 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: h and just a guy that you have to game 240 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: plan for. And I'm very curious to see how the 241 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Packers can handle him on Sunday. 242 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not like he's six six three forty. 243 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: He's about six six three fifteen in that range. And 244 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: if you want to see the difference in that Kansas 245 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: City defense, and when we talk about like quarterbacks, right MVPs, 246 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, what do the Chiefs look like without Patrick Mahomes? 247 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: What do the Miami Dolphins look like without Tua? Look 248 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: at what this Kansas City defense looked like and against 249 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: Detroit in Week one when Jones was still holding out, 250 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: different unit. This guy is the playmaker He is the centerpiece. 251 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: He is everything. When you talk about defensive line play 252 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: and versatility, he exudes all of it. And as I 253 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: was talking with Kenny clarkabouk because one of the questions 254 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: I asked Kenny on Wednesday was you know how much 255 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: he studies other defensive tackles, And he studies them all, 256 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: and he isolated three things with him that stand out. 257 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: It is the size. It obviously is the length, but 258 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: it's the hands. And when you are that big and 259 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: you can keep people off of you the way that 260 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: he does, it doesn't matter if you're getting triple teams. 261 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes the guy's violent enough with his hands that it 262 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: makes it very difficult for another three hundred pound human 263 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: being to stay in front of him for any sustained 264 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: amount of time. Chiefs did the right thing. Things did 265 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: not go well defensively against the Lions. They missed Chris 266 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: Jones in that game. They took care of him financially, 267 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: they found a way to make it work, and since 268 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: he's been back, he's been exceptional. I'll just throw out 269 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: there too, George KARLOFTI, even though I'm not a scalp 270 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: by any means, he was one of my favorite guys 271 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: from the draft a couple of. 272 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: Years ago coming out of Purdue. 273 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: And he's developed into more of an all around pass rusher. 274 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: That's been the biggest difference I think I've seen with 275 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: him this season. Yes, he gets the sacks, but he's 276 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: doing a little bit more of the little things too, 277 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: with that linebacker corps behind them. When you talk about 278 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: front sevens, I think right now in the National Football League, 279 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: Kansas City's as good as they come, regardless of how 280 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: much Steve Spagnolo is pressuring. 281 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, this is a defense that has proven tough 282 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: to beat throughout the course of the season. One other 283 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: note I'll throw out there with regard to the Chiefs 284 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: on special teams, Harrison, Butker hasn't missed a kick all season. 285 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: He's twenty eight out of twenty eight on his extra points, 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: and he's twenty out of twenty on field goals, a 287 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: couple of those being from fifty six and from sixty yards, 288 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: So it's not like he's perfect on field goals with 289 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: just a bunch of thirty five yards. And in kicks 290 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: he's made some long ones. Yeah, so a couple of 291 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: really long ones. And he's a big piece of this 292 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs team as well as I said the number of times, 293 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: and I wish I had actually counted it up because 294 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: I was obviously working on another statistic. I wish I 295 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: had counted it up when I was looking at it. 296 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: The number of times that Harrison Bucker has made a 297 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: field goal on the last play of the first half 298 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: is crazy. This year. It's it's happened. I would I'd 299 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: be willing to bet it's happened at least six or 300 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: seven times in their eleven games based on when I 301 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: was going back through their. 302 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Play You just look at the special teams coordinator, the 303 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: unit that they put together there with Town said, the operation. 304 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: It's all consistent. It's you know what you're getting day 305 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: in and day out with it, and they've been doing 306 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: it together for years. And correct me if I'm wrong here. Again, 307 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: I wasn't researching this as thoroughly as you did. But 308 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: I think Buckner even had an injury earlier this year 309 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: that he might have been playing through a little bit. 310 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: I mean it could be. 311 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I'm not entirely familiar with what his 312 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: situation was. 313 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: Help was being able to be as consistent as he's 314 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: been and be putting some of those situations and embrace 315 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: it the way he has. We're entering this stretch mic 316 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: where you're you're getting You don't, you don't, you don't 317 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: expect perfection, But it seems like NFL teams are it 318 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: more now from their yeahers Yeah, and with somebody like Bucketer, Yeah, 319 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: and with how many opportunities you're gonna get when Patrick 320 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: Mahomes is your quarterback. You need a good kicker in Kansas. 321 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: Kansas City certainly has one. Yeah. 322 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned earlier there's a blueprint to beat the 323 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. 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You mentioned 333 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: the blueprint outline it for us. How do the Packers 334 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: win this football game? 335 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, coach Wes Hodkwitz over here with my middle school 336 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: background in football, No, there's three things that I see 337 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: with this. One is as dangerous as Kansas City is. 338 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: They are erratic, and they've had big drops this season. 339 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: I don't mean to throw mvs under the bus with that, 340 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: but certainly you go back a couple weeks ago and 341 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: that was the difference between a win and a loss 342 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: for them. They can hurt you, but they're gonna give 343 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: you some chances. They're minus five right now on turnover 344 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: margin for the season. I think that ranks like twenty 345 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: fourth in the National Football League. 346 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: That's amazing to be minus five and turnovers and be 347 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: eight and three. 348 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: That means here, what do you gotta do If defense 349 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: gets the opportunities, you have to convert them into points. 350 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: And Lastly, for as much as this is always going 351 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: to be about Mahomes, Kelsey and these weapons, the run 352 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: game is such an interesting part of this equation. For 353 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: Kansas City, Isaiah Pacheco was a fantastic find for them, 354 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: and late in the rounds, I believe there was a 355 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: local scout here from Green Bay. That was the one 356 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: that was responsible for that a number of years ago 357 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: for Kansas City. But when they don't run the football, 358 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: that's the blueprint. When you can stop them from having 359 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: success and putting them in third and law, that's the blueprint. 360 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: Watch any of the losses that they've had this season, 361 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: that's when they get in bad situations. And you know, 362 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony had a really rough game you know, earlier 363 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: this season under those circumstances when we're trying to convert 364 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 2: third and lungs and drop passes turned in interceptions and 365 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: in some cases I believe a pick six. So stopping Pacheco, 366 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: stopping you know, whoever they throw at you, whether it's 367 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: McKinnon or Edwards Hilaire, just being able to make sure 368 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: they don't get as much room as possible they're keep 369 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: them in third and lungs. Yes, this will game will 370 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: be in Matt Patrick Mahomes' hands. It's just the way 371 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: that this thing goes. Yeah, but you don't want to 372 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: make his life any easier. I hope I answered your question. 373 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: No, you did. And for me, I the two things 374 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: that stand out to me in this game. If you're 375 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: looking at keys to victory for the Packers. The first 376 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: one is it's all about protection, protection of Jordan Love. 377 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: And I say that not just because of you know, 378 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: the game two years ago in Kansas City, when you know, 379 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: when Love was thrown in there, when Rogers had COVID 380 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: and he had just a couple of days to prepare, 381 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: and then Spagnolo blitz the heck out of the Packers 382 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of wrecked their offense really for 383 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: three and a half quarters. It's not because of that, 384 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: it's because of how this twenty twenty three Chiefs defense 385 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: is playing. Because watching, for example, the Monday Night game 386 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago against the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, 387 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl rematch and everything, and a super Bowl 388 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: that was very high scoring, that game became a defensive 389 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: slog for a while. The Chiefs were not doing much offensively, 390 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: but that defense was making life really difficult for a 391 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: while for Jalen Hurts and that Eagles offense because of 392 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: the pressure up front. Because of all of the disruption, 393 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: the Packers have done a really good job in recent 394 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: weeks against Aaron Donald, against TJ. Watt, against Khalil Mack 395 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: and then obviously this last game against Aiden Hutchinson. These 396 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: are the elite of the elite, and Chris Jones is 397 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: another guy who ranks right up there, and the Packers 398 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: have to continue what they've been doing to neutralize that 399 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: guy in the opponent's defensive front who is the most 400 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: disruptive and has the most potential to wreck what you're doing. 401 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: The other thing for me, aside from the protection of 402 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: Jordan Love in this game, then, is just to limit 403 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: the big plays defensively the Chiefs. The Chiefs have shown 404 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: this year they can put together ten, eleven, twelve play 405 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: drives and go down the field and score. But that's 406 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: what you have to make them do because if they 407 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: hit you for the big plays and they score quickly, 408 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: then that is when their point total can get up 409 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: into the twenty eight and the thirty one and the 410 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: thirty four point range. And I don't think the Packers 411 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: want to get into that kind of a game with 412 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Limit the big plays, make them 413 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: go the distance. Maybe they make a mistake. They are 414 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: playing on the road. You know, we'll see what the 415 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: weather is like and everything like that. On Sunday night, 416 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta tap Travis Kelcey. As soon as 417 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: he catches the ball, you can't let him turn six 418 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: yard passes into sixteen eighteen yard games with broken tackles. 419 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: That kind of thing is what I'm talking about in 420 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: terms of limiting the big place. So for me, those 421 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: are the two things at the top of my list. 422 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Protection and cutting down on explosives. 423 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: And if there was ever a game for the Green 424 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: Bay Packers to get back some of these injured players 425 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, this is the 426 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: one because you know, I give a lot of credit 427 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: to Isaiah McDuffie for how has stood in there this 428 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: season for absolute Walker and Campbell. But if Devondre Campbell 429 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: and Kay Walker are both out there, that makes life 430 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: easier if you're in base against the Travis Kelcey, if 431 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: you have Darnell Savage there, if you potentially you know where. 432 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: However this shakes out at cornerback, there is a domino 433 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: effect to the rest of it. With Jyry Alexander. So 434 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: I just think it's a critical game and it's a 435 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: big moment for Green Bay. I have implored people my 436 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: biggest message in this thing is regardless of what the 437 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: outcome is, maybe other than a tie. But regardless of 438 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: the outcome, win or lose, you can't get too high 439 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: or too low with this. Yep, the Packers win it, 440 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: it's not the super Bowl. The Packers lose it. You 441 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: have five games coming up here, and honestly, Mike more 442 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: I look at this thing. I think it's going to 443 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: take seven good victories to make the playoffs. The Packers 444 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: need to bring as many of those together, whether it's 445 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: beat in Kansas City or Carolina. You have to put 446 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: some of these victories together and keep building on what 447 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: they've done well here in their last three games. 448 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. We'll take a quick look here at some 449 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: other games around the NFL in Week thirteen. Actually, there's 450 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: an important one in the NFC. Tonight, Thursday Night, Seattle 451 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: is at Dallas for Thursday Night Football. Second straight Thursday 452 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: game for both of these teams that both played on 453 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving a week ago. The league seems to have gotten 454 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: into that pattern that the Thursday night game after Thanksgiving 455 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: is two teams that had played on Thanksgiving. So, yeah, 456 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, that seems to be. 457 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: The computers just rebelling against the system. I guess so. 458 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: But that's obviously a very interesting one in terms of 459 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: the NFC playoff picture. A couple others that I think 460 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Packers fans will probably have their eye on Sunday before 461 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: the Packers and Chiefs kickoff on Sunday night. Detroit is 462 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: at New Orleans, Cleveland is at the Rams. So those 463 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: games involve some teams that are in the mix there 464 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: with the Packers. And then the biggest game on Sunday 465 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: in the afternoon anyway, is San Francisco at Philadelphia, a 466 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: rematch of the NFC Championship from last year when Brock 467 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Purdy got hurt and the Eagles kind of cruise to 468 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 1: that victory to get into the Super Bowl. Man, how 469 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: many times, speaking of the schedule and the computer spitting 470 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: things out, how many times has there been a Super 471 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: Bowl rematch and a conference championship rematch within a span 472 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: of like three weeks. 473 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: Or where it's been. 474 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy when you think about it. But anyway, 475 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: so Niners and Eagles, I think we'll all be watching 476 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: the finish of that in the press box before Packers 477 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: and Chiefs kickoff. Your thoughts on any of those games 478 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: here in Week thirteen. 479 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: Well, the New Orleans one is very interesting to me 480 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: because as we've been talking about the Lions, you know, 481 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: take nothing away from them, that was a very you know, 482 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: hard fought game last week, but the Lions are kind 483 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: of going through some things right now. They haven't really 484 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: been hitting on all cylinders like they were even before 485 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: that game against Green Bay. So seeing how they match 486 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: up in the Superdome against the Saints, who have proven 487 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: to be basically it's kind of a coin flip with 488 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 2: them every week, it feels like, I mean, they certainly 489 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: are a much different team with Alvin Kamara, there's no 490 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: doubt about that. But trying to figure out them has 491 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: been a really big challenge. You know, they they're so 492 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: unconventional offensively with what Taysom Hill continues to do. I 493 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: just in any given week, I don't really know what 494 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: you get, and in most cases it ends up being 495 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: around five hundred, right So seeing how the Lions responded 496 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: that is going to be major. But I mean it 497 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: is all about San Francisco and Philly and seeing how 498 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, Hurts has been kind of banged up. You know, 499 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers kind of went through some doldrums there, 500 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 2: but now they've kind of pulled it together. Yeah, you 501 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: talk about being a repeat of you know, the past 502 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. I'm sure Kyle Shanahan the way he's 503 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: looking at this is this is our measuring stick. This 504 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: is where we got to get this team to. If 505 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 2: we're finally going to solve the Philly problem, There's going 506 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: to be five other problems in the playoffs and the 507 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: NFC side of things. But you go back to the 508 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: years with San Francisco and Dallas in the nineties, this 509 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: is how these things go. So, uh, I'm sure they're 510 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: going to tackle this thing, you know, very you know, 511 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 2: with that much vigor and seeing if you know, they 512 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: could finally pass that test. I do have a quick 513 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: question for you, because I still don't really understand the 514 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: flex scheduling for Monday night football. Okay, is there any 515 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: party that was surprised there wasn't movement with Cincinnati and 516 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: in Jacksonville or was it just too late because of 517 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: the Borough thing? 518 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: I think I think the I think the people really 519 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: want to say, I think the Borough injury might have happened, 520 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: might have happened too late in that Yeah, that's that's 521 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: that's my best guess. But that being said, you know, Jacksonville. 522 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: And I know Jacksonville doesn't have the market size and 523 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: the fan following, but Jacksonville is a playoff team. They 524 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: were last year. They're leading their leading their division and 525 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: everything right now. 526 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: So did you watch that Bengals Steelers game? Though? Last week? 527 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: I watched a good portion of it. Yeah, it was 528 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: that was pretty rough. 529 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: I was looking for some leaves to rake or something, 530 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: but I kept watching because the only reason I even 531 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: bring up the Monday night football thing is because it 532 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: keeps getting asked an insider inbox about the Packers Monday 533 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: night game against the Giants. Against the Giants, I don't 534 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: expect there to be any movement, especially since the Jets 535 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: play there on Sunday. 536 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Right yeah, and the the deadline has passed now anyway, 537 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: But I always thought from the beginning, because the Jets 538 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: have a home game at MetLife on Sunday afternoon, and 539 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: then they scheduled the Giants for the for the Monday, 540 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: I mean, how are I mean? So, the only the 541 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: only way to flex it is essentially to then move 542 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: the Jets to the Monday night game, which I don't 543 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: know if that's any more attractive, because you know, Aaron 544 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: Rodgers is back at practice now, but he's not act 545 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: if he's not going to be playing. 546 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: We've watched a game, yeah, the Jets. 547 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: The Jets were put in a lot of big spotlight 548 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: games for for obvious reasons, and then uh, and then 549 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: with Rogers injury, those those haven't turned out to be 550 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: the games other than when they beat the Eagles, which 551 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: is the Eagles only lost this season. That was the 552 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: one the country was watching, and and uh, you know, 553 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: and that was what, uh, the game that everybody thought, oh, 554 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: maybe the Jets are going to be all right here, 555 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: but they're you know, they're not. I'll say this with 556 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: regard to the Eagles and the Niners, it's gonna be 557 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a fun game to watch 558 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: the and I know mathematically nothing will be decided, but man, 559 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: if the Eagles win this game, they basically have the 560 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: number one seed. I mean they're not you know, yes, 561 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: mathematically it won't be official, but they're going to get 562 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: if they win this game, they're going to get the 563 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: number one seed. They're going to get the buye The 564 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: only chance for in my opinion, for the Niners to 565 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: actually steal that number one seed and the bye is 566 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: for the Niners to go into the Link on Sunday 567 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: and get that win and tighten things up. 568 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the marathon when you have the 569 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: person that's out front by a couple miles. I mean, 570 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: the Eagles closed the season giants, Arizona Giants. I mean, 571 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: if you're gonna get them, you better get them quick. Yeah, 572 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd. 573 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Niners could win this game, and the 574 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Eagles could still get the number one, absolutely because but 575 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: you gotta help you currently have the one loss. I 576 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: mean them pulling off that overtime victory when they were 577 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: trailing throughout the game, trailing at the end of the 578 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, even trailing in overtime, but they pulled out 579 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: that game against Buffalo to still be sitting there with 580 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: just the one loss. You know, the Eagles are sitting 581 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: in the catbird seat. 582 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: As I like to say, as you like to say. 583 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: It's a big Spoffordism. 584 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: Should be a good game tonight, though, Dallas against the Seahawks. 585 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: The Cowboys obviously trying to keep pace with the Eagles. 586 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: The Seahawks, they've hit the skids a little bit. Kenneth 587 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Walker has been injured. A lot of Packers fans will 588 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: be watching to see if the Cowboys can hand Seattle 589 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: a sixth loss. 590 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: More than anything. Gino Smith versus that Cowboys defense. Yeah, 591 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: that Cowboys defense. You thought they were going to lose 592 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: something earlier this season. 593 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost one of their best players. But but yeah, 594 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: look here. 595 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: Comes Blank just out of nowhere, being like, hey, I'm 596 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: gonna return every interception for a touchdown. 597 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: Touchdout and set set an NFL record. That was something too. 598 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: I didn't realize when he got that fifth pick six. 599 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: The last time somebody had four pick sixes in a 600 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: season was thirty years ago. It was nineteen ninety three. 601 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: It was like, Holy Cole. I didn't realize that it had 602 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: been it had been that long. But I guess that 603 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: just shows them. 604 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: Getting Well you think about it too. I mean, how 605 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: often is it that a guy either has that much 606 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: speed or is just that far removed from everybody else 607 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: to be able to take it? You know, like, yes, 608 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: there is a Dion Sanders type skill towards it, right, 609 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: but a lot of times there's so many other variables 610 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: that go into returning an interception right, And. 611 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can't have any You can't have any 612 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: of your teammates block somebody in the back either, which 613 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: happens a lot on interception returns. But when that doesn't happen, 614 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: obviously you're you know you got a chance to to 615 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: take it. But yeah, it should be a good one 616 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: Thursday and at a big game in terms of the 617 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: NFC playoff picture. A lot of Packers fans will be 618 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: watching leading up to Sunday night, and with that we'll 619 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 620 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Be shure to follow all of our coverage of the 621 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: team and everything from Sunday Night's game against the defending 622 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. We will have it 623 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: all for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. 624 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 625 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: next time.