1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: The volume What is going on? Everybody? John middlecop three 2 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: and out podcast? How are we doing? My people? We 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: had some breaking news on about Tuesday around lunch. I 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: actually just got out of a long sauna trying to 5 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: sweat out this cold flu from hell, not sure it's working. 6 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Saw on my phone that Antonio Pierce, the Raiders head coach, 7 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: has been fired one and done and Tom Brady will 8 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: help Mark Davis find a new coach and obviously influence 9 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: the firing. So I want to dive in. I obviously 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: have an experience, spent years around the Raiders when I 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: worked in radio, and just lay out some thoughts on 12 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: that situ and I think a solution that can help 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Mark Davis, who, let's face it, is currently one of 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: the worst owners in the NFL, despite going from poor 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: in Oakland where he played in the biggest dump you've 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: ever seen. If you had ever been to the Coliseum, 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: I promise you this, you didn't miss much to now 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: an incredible stadium on the strip in Las Vegas where 19 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: money just flows, but it doesn't change the fact that 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: the team can't win anything. Ever, so we will dive 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: in to the Raiders. There was also a general manager surprise. 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not super dialed in to the Tennessee 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: reddit boards. But the Titans fired Ran Carthen who was 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: just hired a couple of years ago. From what I 25 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: was told, he got a six year contract and was 26 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: fired this morning after hiring a coach I don't know, 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: a year ago. So you just get some of these teams, man, 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: these own it's really I mean, can you imagine what 29 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: like Andy Reid and Brett Veacher thinking today. It's just 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: not a fair fight. So we'll dive into that. We'll 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: do a little mail bag as well at John Middlecoff. 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms. 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Jackson on tomorrow because we got a 34 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: playoff game Thursday. We got a playoff game Friday, so 35 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: we'll do some college football tomorrow. But obviously there's just 36 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot going on right now in the NFL, so 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to wanted to hit on these stories as 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: they were breaking. Like I said, mailbag, subscribe to the 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: podcast if you listen on Collins YouTube page. Thanks for 40 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: everyone that's watching the YouTube page we got that. Subscribe 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: to that as well. All of our content is video 42 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: and audio. 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When I worked for 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: the a radio station in the Bay Area that I 71 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: think is still alive, might might have gone under I'm 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: not quite sure, but when I was there, they had 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders and we like they we were the official 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: radio station of the Raiders, so their games were on there, 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: and by like my second year working there, I was 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: hosting the postgame So I was going to all the games, 77 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: hosting the postgame shows. During training camp. They used to 78 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: have training camp in Napa and we were host shows, 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, from Charles Woodson to Sea Bass to Derek 80 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: Carr to you name it. Like you'd have the players, 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the coaches, Mark Davis would come hang out and it 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: was always it was It was awesome if you love football, regardless, 83 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: like the team was really really bad, but it's just 84 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: really cool being that close up personal, you know, having 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: coming from an NFL background. When I worked at a 86 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: team to transition to doing that, I really enjoyed it. Now, 87 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: the problem is when you do a postgame show and 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: the team really sucks you just it's hard, you know. 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: And the guy I was working for at the time said, 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: let it loose, do not hold back, and what are 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: you gonna say when they're three and thirteen, you know, 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: four and twelve. This at the time when they were 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: playing sixteen games. And the reality is is when you 94 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: host a postgame show, especially a home game, the owner 95 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: listens as he drives home, and I, you know, i'd 96 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: get word that Mark would get mad over the things 97 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: I would say. I know, the president of the team 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: got really mad at me a couple times for saying that, hey, 99 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: they could go winless. At the time, they were zero 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: to ten, and I kind of laid out their last 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: six games. I think they ended up going three and 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: three down the stretch, but they were This was a 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: road game, so I was back in the Bay Area 104 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: and the dude called my phone and just I didn't 105 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: pick up, but lit into my voicemail about like how 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: negative I am. And again, they're oh to ten at 107 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: the time, and I think they had an interim coach, 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: Tony Sperano rip but it's it's people get very sensitive 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: in that organization, and I'm sure that's true in a 110 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: lot of different organization, but specifically with anything related to 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the Raiders and the property revolving around 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: their games, which can be difficult because they have consistently 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: sucked for the majority of my life and definitely the 114 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: majority of my adult life post John Gruden. I think 115 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: they've made the playoffs twice in well over multiple decades, 116 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: and I think they've only had two winning records during 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: that time. But I do believe this. I have no 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: ill will toward Mark Davis or toward the franchise. In 119 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, my life has been dramatically better off 120 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: ever since then, right, So I this is not personal, 121 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: And I do think one Marks a nice guy. He's 122 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: easy to talk to and bullshit with, and I do 123 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: think he loves football. He means well trying to do this. 124 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: He gives a lot of effort, you know, trying to 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: make the Raiders right and filling in for his father, Al, 126 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: who is one of the most legendary sports persons in 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: the history of American professional sports. In just probably the 128 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: history of American sports in general, right, So it's those 129 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: shoes are hard to fill. And if you're my age 130 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: or younger, the Al Davis you remember, you know, the 131 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: guy in the two thousands, his body was falling apart, 132 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: it was really ugly. Is not the guy that helped 133 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: define the sport of football and was one of the 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: pillars of the guy that built the business that we 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: all see and know now and anyone especially of a 136 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: certain age, guys over sixty that have coached in the 137 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: NFL for a long time, the Andy Reids, the Bill Belichicks, 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: those type guys, you get them talking about Al Davis. 139 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: They revered the man and because of what he stood 140 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 1: for and you know, the sport that he helped build 141 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: up to create and give them a lane to make 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty million dollars coaching football. And I think 143 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: there's a powerful history behind the Raiders that when I 144 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: was around, and I'm a forty nine er guy, like 145 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: most people in California like, it's heavily split. And I 146 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: think a huge reason for that is over the last 147 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: thirty years, the Raiders have mainly sucked and you know, 148 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: the Niners. When I was a kid, were rattling off 149 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: super Bowls in northern California, and then even in the 150 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: mid nineties they won a Super Bowl, and then since 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: they've made seven conference championships in the last fifteen years, 152 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: and the Raiders have just sucked. So part of gaining 153 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: fans over time is like winning plants. The Patriots have 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: way more fans now than they did thirty years ago. 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Right the reason the Packers and the pain and the 156 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers have a lot of fans. They've been winning 157 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: for decades. That's how you build up a fucking business. 158 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: And the Raiders have struggled with that and the old 159 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: adage that money doesn't buy you happiness. What was going 160 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: on before they moved to Vegas. I'm going a long 161 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: winded way before we talk about how they or i 162 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: mean Antonio Pierce is like their business was not sustainable 163 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: in Oakland, just like Joe Lacobs wasn't. Just like obviously 164 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: the o'klan A's was not that area. It's they should dynamite. 165 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: All the teams are gone now. I would dynamite the 166 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: whole thing and blow it up. They played in the 167 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: worst stadium you've ever seen, and they weren't making any 168 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: money relative to these other franchises. So they make the 169 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: move to Vegas and they are flushed with cash unlike 170 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: they ever could have dreamed of in the Bay Area. 171 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: Partly because even if things were going well, the forty 172 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: nine ers are like the Yankees. They they take up 173 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: so much oxygen and surround so much of the cash. 174 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: The people with the money associate with them and funnel 175 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: jed the money that was never gonna happen to Mark. 176 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: So going to Vegas was an incredible business move. But 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: literally nothing has changed. Like I said, his heart's in 178 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: the right place. He is a terrible owner since he 179 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: bought the team, or I mean since his father died 180 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: and he took over. The Raiders are sixty eight and 181 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: one to eleven, and they run through coaches like you know, 182 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: you do a gallon of milk if you've got a 183 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: couple of little It's it's insane how quickly they go 184 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: through coaches. When he tries to do the right thing. 185 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Give John Gruden ten years, one hundred million dollars, that 186 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: blows up in his face when he hires Josh McDaniels 187 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: a coach. Did feel like he had rebilitated his entire life. 188 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: That blows up in his face when he listens to 189 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams and Max Crosby, who a year ago most 190 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: people would say two of the better players in the league, 191 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: and they're like, we want Antonio Pierce to be our 192 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: head coach. He's like, okay, I'll just I'll lean with 193 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: these guys. Six months later, Davante Adams is like, I 194 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: don't even like this guy anymore. I want out in 195 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: mid season. Max Crosby's like, yeah, if this doesn't we 196 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: don't figure this shit out, I'm gonna want out. Good life. Lesson, 197 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: don't listen to your players. This ain't the NBA. Like 198 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: hire the right coach because you believe he's the right coach. 199 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: Don't try to right or wrong because you probably regret 200 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: not hiring rich Passacia when Gruden got fired and he 201 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: led you to the playoffs. This was not that Richard 202 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: coach in the NFL for a long time. Antonio Pierce 203 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: was coaching at Arizona State a couple of years ago. 204 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: It was an absolute joke of a program when Herm 205 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: Edwards was there. Such a joke that Herm Edwards coaching 206 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: college football for five fucking years, gets fired. ESPN takes 207 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: them back and they're like, yeah, we don't even We 208 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: don't think you know anything about college. The guy literally 209 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: just spent five years coaching college. I had been told 210 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: the guy didn't even know half the roster's names of 211 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: the players on his team. And listen, I'm not anti 212 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: Herm Edwards, but like that operation was an embarrassment. Then 213 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce goes from linebacker coach to head coach immediately, 214 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: and I'd be lying if I watch much Raider football 215 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: last couple of years, but I follow a lot of 216 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: people that cover and watch the Raiders really closely. It 217 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: wasn't going well. Now. Would Bill Walsh have won eleven 218 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: games with this team? Of course not. But can you 219 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: keep Antonio Pierce? And this is two sided, right Like 220 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: I think Mark Davis is just completely in over his 221 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: head and I think it's a complete disaster right now. 222 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: But I also think when you see Andy Reid, Sean Payton, 223 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: and Jim Harbaugh in your division, Antonio Pierce can't be 224 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: your head coach. It just can't happen because you got 225 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: no shot. It'd be like going on a seal team 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: six mission and you're going and I hand you a 227 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: NERF gun. Everyone else is fucking locked and loaded with 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: real weapons, and I give you a NERF gun. You 229 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: get killed, you get wiped out. And that was going 230 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: to happen if Antonio Piers stayed when you just looked 231 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: at their division and last year the bluster and everyone 232 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: pound in their chests smoking cigars after they beat the 233 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs on Christmas. Like how that age. The Chiefs went 234 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: on to win the Super Bowl. The Raiders stayed being 235 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: a joke. Now here's the thing, and I give Mark 236 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: Davis credit for this. Mark Davis has always liked the players. 237 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: He was always really good friends with the players, from 238 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: what I've been told, when he was younger and now 239 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: was the owner, He's always had a natural inclination when 240 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: he took over, Like Marcel Reese, the Pro Bowl fullback, 241 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: when I first got around the team, was like his 242 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: good buddy. I was part of the team for a 243 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: long time. And obviously he leaned on Max Crosby and 244 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams. Now that blows up in your face, and 245 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: I think he realized, like I just can't be listening 246 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to players. I need someone in my life that is 247 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: not putting on helmets in a pad for my team 248 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: because they're gonna have a bias and an agenda. And 249 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, while a former player, now is in business 250 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: and now has an equity partnership you know for how 251 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: big one percent, two percent, half percent. I don't have 252 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: the financials in front of me, but he clearly owns 253 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: a tiny little piece of the Raiders. And from what 254 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: I had been told, Mark Davis is the one that 255 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: made that happen. He went after Tom. He created that 256 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: relationship because it's important to him. He wants to, like one, 257 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: gain some positive momentum. He's really trying it, just nothing works. 258 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: And it was reported by Schefter that Tom Brady is 259 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: going to be part of these interviews, just like it 260 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: was reported earlier this year that Tom Brady's gonna start 261 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: interviewing quarterbacks like at the Combine. Here's what I think 262 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: big pictures should happen. And if I'm Mark Davis, I 263 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: push for this. Listen, Tom, like Tom Brady, you're calling games, 264 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: not because you want to call games. They gave you 265 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: thirty seven million dollars, they paid you ten million dollars. 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: You would not do it. So we have to acknowledge 267 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: you're doing it for the money. And listen, I'm pro 268 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. He's not good at TV, He's not good 269 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: at all, and he's no dummy. He has to know 270 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: that he's not natural at it. It feels clunky, it 271 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: just doesn't really work, and it's hard to give up 272 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: a job that pays you thirty seven million dollars a year, 273 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: and he's under contract for nine more years after this year. 274 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: He never made that much money a year playing quarterback 275 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL, so he's being paid an astronomical amount 276 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: of money. I'm as pro capitalism as any human. I 277 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: understand why. It's like, even if this sucks, we all 278 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: have a price, and we would do things that we 279 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: don't want to do for a certain amount of money. 280 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: We'd suck it up. But there is an opportunity here 281 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: that if you're Mark Davis, why don't you just make 282 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: him the football a grand poopa of the organization. Why 283 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: don't you just give him like a John Elway type 284 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: role like Tom? What is the price it would cost 285 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: us to make you the president of the team or 286 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: the president of all a football operation. We have seen 287 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Bill Parcells do it before, we saw Home Run do 288 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: it before, we saw elway do it. Why don't you 289 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: just do it? Because I already want you playing a 290 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: role in who my head coach is gonna be. I 291 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: already want you playing a role in who my quarterback's 292 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: gonna be. I've proven that I have no clue what 293 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing, absolutely none, And I went from living the equivalent. 294 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: And I've been there too. I've lived in some shitty apartments. 295 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: I have lived in some really really shitty apartments. Honestly, 296 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: not even that long ago. When I was in the 297 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: Bay Area, when my buddy got married or got engaged, 298 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: he's like, I was living in the city in the 299 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: suite apartment with him. He's like, hey man, you gotta go. 300 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: And I started looking around. I started seeing the prices 301 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: of like, I can't afford any of these single bedrooms. 302 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: So I had to move outside the city this one 303 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: the city was booming, like twenty thirteen, and just lived 304 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: in this shittle Now it was close to the water, 305 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: so that part was cool, but it was a terrible place. 306 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: And ten years later I live in a golfing gated community. 307 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: But money doesn't change, like the way I feel every 308 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: morning when I get up, like changing homes, like I 309 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: was happy many days in that really crappy apartment. Like 310 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: money does not change. If you're an unhappy person, you 311 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: will stay an unhappy person. If you're a happy person, 312 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: you will stay a happy person whether you got ten bucks. Obviously, 313 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: there are some things that become easier in life, but 314 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: just in terms of like your everyday operation, you are 315 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: who you are at a certain time. And Mark Davis 316 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: went from an NFL standpoint being broke to now being 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: flushed with cash in Vegas and nothing has changed. Absolutely 318 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. They are still one of the laughing 319 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: stocks of the league. They just happen to have this 320 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: sweet stadium on the strip that's really cool. But their 321 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: team blows and the consumer if you put them on 322 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: after like week three, will watch another game. They're unwatchable. 323 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: They're an awful product. And he has been the one 324 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: consistent thing with this team for the last whatever fourteen years. 325 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: And to me, if you're him, this is an easy one. Tom. 326 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: What can I do to make this worth it for you? 327 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: What can I pay you? Do you need thirty million dollars? 328 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: You need fifty million dollars? Can we do some sort 329 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: of bump inequity? Because I know this for myself, I'm 330 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: an incentive laced individual. When I have skin in the game, 331 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: I work harder. If you just paid me a salary, 332 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: whatever that salary may be a million dollars, ten million dollars, 333 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: one hundred grand, fifty grand, whatever it is, after a 334 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: certain point, I would kind of get bored. But when 335 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: I have incentives, when I have, the harder I work, 336 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the more money I can make. I know most people 337 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: in sales can relate to this. That gets me going, 338 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: even though the actual dollars that come my way don't 339 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: really change the way I feel. But if I'm Tom Brady, 340 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: who clearly likes money given the lifestyle, he leads like, 341 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: can we bump up some of this equity that you 342 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: have to make this hay over the course of the 343 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: next ten years. If you hit these incentives as a team, 344 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: maybe you get an extra couple of points on the 345 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: team like why don't we do something like what can 346 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: we do to make it worth your while? Because I 347 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: have proven I have no clue. I've tried to hire 348 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: a former legend here, blew up in my face. I've 349 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: tried to hire the hot offensive coordinator, blew up in 350 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: my face. I hired the interim that my star players wanted. 351 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: They couldn't stand the guy. Six months later, and one 352 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: thing I heard with Antonio Pierce is that when he 353 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: became the head coach, he changed a little bit. When 354 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: he became the full time, got a big head, got cocky, 355 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: and I think that turned off some people. And listen, 356 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: that's it was a lot happening really really fast. And 357 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: clearly he grew up a Raider fan from southern California. 358 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: But it was a disaster, it really was. And this 359 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: team now is a complete joke. It really is. Before 360 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: when I first was around him, they were a joke 361 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: with no money. They were the poorest team in the NFL. 362 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: Now they're no longer that, but there's still a joke 363 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: on the field. So it's like, you got your stadium 364 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: figured out, you got your windfall of cash figured out. 365 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: How do we just become competitive? I'm not talking compete 366 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: for Super Bowls? How do we just compete on a 367 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: yearly basis to be above five hundred, to try to 368 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: make wild cards every year? How do we do that? 369 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Tom Brady knows what he's doing, 370 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: but every single person they hire fails, And I just 371 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: think you gotta give a guy a chance that has 372 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: seen winning at the highest level for multiple decades, and 373 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: given his position, it was much closer to a coach, 374 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: front office individual than it was just some random player 375 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: on the team, given the hours that he put in, 376 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: given his dead and let's face it, Tom Brady's a 377 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: football guy. He's a football junkie. He's trying to get 378 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: his fix with this television gig. No chance's working. I 379 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: listen to him, I hear him. It just sounds like 380 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: he's trying his hardest. They're paying him thirty seven million 381 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: dollars to put a smile on his face. It's not 382 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: for him. He's a smart guy. He knows it. He's 383 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: not natural at that. It's not his gig, but like 384 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: running a football team, being around football every single day, 385 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: going to practice, dealing with the coaches, it's what he 386 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: knows better than anything. So if I'm Mark Davis, I 387 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: just beg Tom Brady and we try to figure out 388 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: some sort of number to make this worthwhile and to 389 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: leave the Fox situation and just do this full time 390 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: because he's already dabbling. And listen, he starts interviewing coaches 391 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: and this is also a problem you got this guy. 392 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: This is you know when we talk about the different 393 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: connections of these owners, being like, wait, Tom's a part 394 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: owner of the Raiders and he's calling games. We have 395 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: to let him in our facility. And now he's gonna 396 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: start interviewing our coordinators. You know, if they interview let's 397 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: say six seven guys, they're only gonna hire one, so 398 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: he's able to price some information out. Like and that 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: was a famous Al Davis thing is he would interview 400 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: a ton of people. He wasn't even interested in highering half. 401 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: He would just get notes from them. He would just 402 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: use it as like a you know, a CIA mission 403 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: to accumulate information. And I just wonder if these owners, 404 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: Like if I owned another team and the Raiders wanted 405 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: to interview my coordinator, I'd be like, especially if I'm 406 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: an NFC team, if I'm like the fucking Lions, It's like, wait, 407 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: you're just gonna interview Ben Johnson, Near and Glenn and 408 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: find out the way we do things, Like no, we 409 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: already don't allow you into the building. Now you're gonna 410 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: bring this guy in and Tom's gonna conduct the interview. Obviously, 411 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: the Raider fans are very loyal group to passionate group. 412 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: I've always disagreed with the league as better when the 413 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: Raiders are good, Like, the league has never been more 414 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: popular and it's never gained more popular over these last 415 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: the Internet era, and the Raiders have been irrelevant, So 416 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: like that's just factually incorrect. But I do think there 417 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: is something about the Colors and the edge to the 418 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: franchise that is just long gone. I mean, whatever we 419 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: see in this operation is just bad football. It's unwatchable. 420 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: It's an unwatchable product. And the crazy thing is, over 421 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like they've acquired good players 422 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: like Davante and his prime Max Crosby now brock Bauers, 423 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: they had Josh Jacobs, Like they get good players here 424 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: and there, but just nothing ever works and something's bad luck. 425 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: Like obviously Mark, you know the NFL leaking all Gruden's 426 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: emails that led to him getting fired. He's not Mark's fault. Obviously, 427 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: you could argue that Josh McDaniels had already proven who 428 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: he was. Now I'd say that was like a decade 429 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: in between each other. Just turns out he was just 430 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: as bad and people couldn't stand the guy, and he's 431 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: he had one of the great pr campaigns of pretending 432 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: he had changed when it turns out no, he was 433 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: exactly the same. And they were in a tough spot 434 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: when they hired Antonio Pearson. You got those two guys 435 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: baking you. But I don't think any organization worth their 436 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: salt would let the star player on the team determine 437 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: who the head coach is gonna be. And a year 438 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: later that clearly blew up in their face. The stadium's awesome. 439 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: We know their practice facility. I remember Andy Reid said 440 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, He's like, this is the nicest 441 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. Remember Belichick was there for something 442 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: and was blown away. He's like, this is this is 443 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: the most beautiful. I mean, it's second to none what 444 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: they're dealing with. But like I said, you can take 445 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: you can take the gutter rat and put him in 446 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: the high rise penthouse. It doesn't make that person no 447 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: longer a gutter rat. And right now the Raiders are 448 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: just like the gutter rats of the NFL. 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And we have 489 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: seen guys get handed organizations from their family and run 490 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: good organizations like Clark Hunt didn't buy the chiefs Lamar 491 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: did his dad, and he's done a really good job 492 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: over the last decade, working hand in hand with Andy Reid. 493 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Learc was born into money, you know, Jed York 494 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: was handed the team from his parents, and since he's 495 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: been the boss, they've made seventy conference championships. So just 496 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: because you're an owner's kid or a rich guy's kid 497 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't function. But I think we've seen 498 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: a theme of some of these kids that one might 499 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: not like football is as much as their parents did, 500 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: and two just be completely over their skis. Like the 501 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans right now are run by Amy, the daughter 502 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: of the former owner that that passed away several years back, 503 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: and I think it's clear at this point in time 504 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: that she has absolutely no clue what she's doing. A 505 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: year ago she fired Vrabel, who is the number one 506 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: candidate on the open market. Two years ago, she hired 507 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: rand Carthin from the forty nine ers and gave him 508 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: a six year contract to be the GM. Two years later, 509 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: he got fired. I can't even imagine. I've been fired twice. 510 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: One time my contract technically ran out. The other time 511 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I still had, like, I don't know if it was 512 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: six months or four months. But I remember the feeling 513 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: of just like getting paid. I didn't have to do anything, 514 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: and I was making eighty grand at the time. I 515 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: can't even imagine what it's like to be being like, wait, 516 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: I make three million dollars a year, and they owe 517 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: me this, They owe me twelve million dollars more. So 518 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: every two weeks they're gonna me a check or put 519 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: a direct deposit into my account and I don't have 520 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: to do shit. Incredible feeling, even though if you're ambitious, like, 521 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: it's not what you want, but listen, it could be 522 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: way worse. I mean, there are a lot of people 523 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: struggling in society that would die for that opportunity. So 524 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: he gets paid to go away for years, But how 525 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: could someone a year ago basically go, hey, we're gonna 526 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: go with this guy, We're gonna get rid of Rabel 527 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: and then a year later fire And I was texting 528 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: some people that know him, and I've I don't know 529 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: Ran at really at all. We have DMed over the years, 530 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: just kind of pleasantries, congrats and just yes a little bit. 531 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: But from all accounts, I've never heard a bad word 532 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: about the guy, and I've heard people think he's pretty 533 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: good at his job and just really good like people. 534 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: Motivator guy, I mean, former player, just kind of kind 535 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: of gets it. And by all accounts, he was the 536 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: guy leading the Will Levis push, which obviously was a disaster. 537 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: And sometimes listen, you miss on a player, it sucks, 538 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: and sometimes you miss on a guy like Will Levis 539 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: that embarrasses everybody. So that might have been just a 540 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: situation that I can't look at you the same because 541 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: you were the guy banging the table for Will Levis. 542 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: But regardless, what could have changed in the last year 543 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: to go from we're going all in on you, We're 544 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: letting you pick the coach He got to hire Brian 545 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Callahan last year. Think about that, he hired the coach 546 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: last year, to now go we're gonna fire you, we're 547 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: gonna keep the coach, We're gonna hire another GM, and 548 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: everything's gonna be off kilter. You can't run an organization 549 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: like that. These teams have no chance none. It's how 550 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: do you compete with the Ravens who just every year 551 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: Eric Tacosta, Steve Bushatti, John Harbaugh. How could the Chiefs 552 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: just Brett Veach, Andy Reid Malmes Lamar, Like, how could 553 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: you even dream of competing with them? It's impossible. It 554 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: literally is not possible, And it's not random that they 555 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: have the number one pick overall. Just like next year, 556 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: if you have to go, Are the Titans gonna be 557 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: any good? Probably not? Like are the Giants gonna be 558 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: any good? Probably not? Are the Raiders gonna be any good? 559 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: Probably not? Are the Falcons finally gonna win? Probably not. 560 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: It's the same thing over and over and over again, 561 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: and it starts with ownership. It's why when I hear 562 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: people say the Bears is a good job, bull shit? 563 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Working for the mccaskey's a mom and pop shop that 564 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: has like seven people that have direct lines to him 565 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: and a president do you kind of have to answer 566 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: to It's not a good job. That's a terrible gig. 567 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: We think we talked so much about good jobs, Like, well, 568 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: they got a quarterback, do they got talents? Like? Do 569 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: they got draft picks? They got cap space? Who is 570 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: then who owns the team? And what do I have 571 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: to do with that guy? Same thing with the Jets, 572 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: Like got a lot of pieces, okay, but Woody Johnson 573 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: owns the team. Good luck dealing with that the Jags 574 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: they got what an ownership that is consistently a shepherd 575 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: losing after losing after losing teams, Like all they do 576 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: is lose, under shot con every time you hear them, 577 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: you're like, I guy seems nice, guy, seems impressive, obviously 578 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: self made, great American business story. Yet every time during 579 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: the fall you watch his teams, they just lose. And 580 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: then where do they draft really high all the time? 581 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: It's like they're teams full of top picks. Well yeah, 582 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: because they picked them because they always lose. So I 583 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: think we spend so much time what about this quarterback? 584 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: What about this cap space? Who's the owner? And if 585 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: you got a crapy owner, you got no shot. If 586 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Tom Brady didn't exist, I would say it is a 587 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: that the Raiders are going to continue to suck. But 588 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: like maybe he just passes it off a little bit 589 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: and maybe they got a chance. Maybe they can't overcome 590 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: that because maybe Mark's still involved. The Raiders ethos that 591 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: comes from the Davis family is not something you can shake. 592 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: And maybe that was really important pre Internet, but post 593 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Internet it's they just can't overcome it. And I say 594 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: the same thing with the Titans, for whatever reason, this 595 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: lady like she owns the team. You got an uphill battle. 596 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: It is going to be really, really difficult because clearly 597 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: she's got people in her ear. Clearly she changes her 598 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: mind all the time. And I'm not against changing your mind. 599 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: I do it all the time with takes. Like information 600 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: is fluid. But unless something crazy comes out, like you 601 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: just went all in on this guy a year ago, 602 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: what could possibly have changed? And now you have a 603 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: guy who is doing interviews for the GM who used 604 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: to be a scout. Just just a bizarre, poor run organization. 605 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: And I think the parallels of a lot of these 606 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: are kids that are completely over their head, that have 607 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: no clue what they're doing. They just inherit this three, four, five, 608 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: six billion dollar team. Everyone's watching you. It's it's not 609 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: an enviable position if you're not just a football addict. 610 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: Even if you were, it'd be really challenging. You become 611 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: a public facing figure, a ton of pressure. You have 612 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: a community or a city depending on you, You have 613 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: millions of fans that you know. I would say, invest 614 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: a lot of energy and time into your successes, and 615 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: I think it can overwhelm people. And I think we 616 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: see a consistent theme that these owners, some of them 617 00:33:47,280 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: are just completely overwhelmed and lost to see. Okay, let's 618 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: dive into a little thing we like to call the 619 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: middle Cough mail bag at John Middlecoff at JOHB. Middlecoff 620 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: is my Instagram. Firing those dms. Get your questions answered 621 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: here on the pod. Question for the bag? Should major 622 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: sports leagues explore a tax mindful salary cap? For example, 623 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: twenty five milli in Tennessee and twenty five milli in 624 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: New York are very different numbers, So should the New 625 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: York teams have a larger cap to offset state taxes? Well, 626 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: if you think about it, let's use Let's use the Jets, Giants, Rams, 627 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: and Niners against the Titans. They all get the same 628 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: amount of money from the league, right, The money that 629 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: pays for the players is the television money. And when 630 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: they get that money from the league, let's just let's 631 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: just pick a number this offseason. Say it's four hundred 632 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: million dollars. Could be more, could be less. I'm just 633 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: picking that number. Well, my salary caps two hundred and 634 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. So the money I get for as 635 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: the Titans and the money I get as the forty 636 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: nine ers is the exact same, So I can't control 637 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: my state income tax, right, federal income tax are the same. 638 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: All these guys at the highest level pay like thirty 639 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: thirty seven percent, thirty eight percent. Obviously, when you're in 640 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: a place at California, in New York, that number then 641 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: goes above fifty percent, but in Tennessee that number zero. 642 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: So it's an enormous swing. But the teams in the 643 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: states don't control that, and they don't pay that. The 644 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: player does, aka the employee, So why would they want 645 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: to be like, well, let's say twenty million in Tennessee 646 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: would actually be thirty million dollars. Again, this might not 647 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: be exact or twenty five million dollars for the forty 648 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: nine ers or rams, so I got to spend more money, 649 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: yet we're both getting the same amount of money for 650 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: that person to then pay the government. There's a long 651 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: winded way of saying. The owners wouldn't want that because 652 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: that would their expenses would be higher, but it wouldn't 653 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: change anything. So I think I see what you're saying, 654 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and if I was a player, I would want that, 655 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: But if I was an owner, I would not because 656 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: the taxes don't impact like my profitability, especially like the 657 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: Niners and Rams are proving like they can win. The 658 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: Yankees are proven they can win. So I hear what 659 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: you're saying, but I think that's something that's talked about 660 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: on the internet that is just not only not realistic, 661 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: the people in charge would not want it because their 662 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: expenses would rise, but their profits would not, so it 663 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: would just be less money coming in right and more 664 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: going out. I listen to your take on Bulky and 665 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: how he is a good politician. What is your take 666 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: on Telesco? As you said, Bulky survived a bunch of 667 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: coaches being fired with the Niners, but te LESCo was 668 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: with the Chargers forever and he is lasting with the Raiders. Now. 669 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: Is te LESCo a good politician? As a Charger fan, 670 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: I always thought he was terrible and made no moves 671 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: during the season to try and improve the weakness in 672 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: the roster. I don't know him personally. I actually always 673 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: thought he's pretty solid. I always thought the Chargers teams 674 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: their downfall was the coach, not the roster, and the 675 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: coach was the Spanos families choosing. I think if you 676 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: gave te LESCo Harbaugh over the last five or eight years, 677 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: they would have won a lot. And I can't speak 678 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: to this situation in with the Raiders. I had heard 679 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: when he got fired from the Chargers that he was 680 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: cool with he had made a decent amount of money 681 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: and just take a deep breath. You know that industry 682 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: can wear you out. And what I had heard is 683 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: that Mark da pays him a lot of money, like 684 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: offered him a job that I'm sure when he got 685 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: fired he didn't expect to get. You know, he got 686 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: fired the day after he lost the Raiders like seventy 687 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: to ten. And Mark Davis is I think he's one 688 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: of the higher paid gms in the league. So you 689 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: have year one like one of the best players in 690 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: the league. Last year brock Bowers was his first pick. 691 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: So I just wonder, now, just because you survive when 692 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: the coach gets fired, does not mean you'll survive. We'll 693 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: see who they end up hiring, what Tom Brady's role is. 694 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: So I guess it's a long way of saying I 695 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: have a better understanding of Bulky than I do till 696 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: I don't know much about tillasco beside just him picking players. 697 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this. Basically, should the Vikings 698 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: look to trade JJ McCarthy for a first round pick 699 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: this year? Why would I trade a first round pick 700 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: for a rookie that was a project to begin with 701 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: with a pull? That doesn't make sense. Also, do you 702 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: think he would be the first pick this year? I don't. 703 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: Out of all the quarterbacks drafted last year, he was 704 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: the worst one in the biggest project. Cam Ward and 705 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: Shadour both have bigger arms. JJ has a bigger arm 706 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: than Shador Cam's. I would say cam Ward is a 707 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: better prospect than JJ McCarthy. I would say most people 708 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: would probably say JJ McCarthy is every bit as good, 709 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: if not better, prospect than Shaudor. I'm talking about coming 710 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: out of college this. You know, they showed JJ McCarthy 711 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: during the Vikings Lions game and I wasn't super locked in, 712 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: like obviously he had a big bushy Harry looked like 713 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: a surfer. And then the day after I saw on 714 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: Instagram someone like took elongated video of they what they 715 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: had shown on Sunday Night Football And I didn't catch 716 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: this during the game, but he looks like he's lost 717 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: twenty pounds. I gotta what was his way at the combine. 718 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: My guess would be two hundred and fifteen pounds. He 719 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: was just when he came out of college for Harbaugh. 720 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: I thought he was like big and strapped and looked good. 721 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: So he was two hundred and twenty pounds at the 722 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: NFL Combine. I would guess on the video that I 723 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: saw on Instagram of what they showed him on Sunday 724 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: Night Football, that he might have weighed one hundred and 725 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: ninety pounds. And I would imagine with a major knee injury, 726 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, lifting and eating, and it's just his routine 727 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: has dramatically changed. He did not look good. I do 728 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: not think, given his knee injury and given that video 729 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: that I saw, that they could trade him for a 730 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: first round pick right now. So I don't even think 731 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: that's an option. And I've said over and over the Viking, 732 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: why would you trade him? If you were the Vikings. 733 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: Even if we end up rolling with Darnald like I 734 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: still might keep him around. It's not like he's breathing 735 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: down Darnald's neck. I'm a Bears fan, and I don't 736 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: know if you heard the reports that run. I mean, 737 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: the great part is about the Internet. You see all 738 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: the reports. I mean, I don't miss much. There's a 739 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: lot going on, you know, I've been People are like, 740 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: can you break down all the candidates the teams? Like, 741 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. It's hard to keep up with. 742 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: There's so many rumors flying. There's so much going on 743 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: right now you almost gotta let it breathe. And for me, 744 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm kind of just talking about it all. 745 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: I do get like in an individual, if you're a 746 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: Bears fan and you're seeing who we're interviewing, or a 747 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: Jets fan seeing who we're interviewing, it could just be 748 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: a lot just because it's name after name after name. Now, 749 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: the Jets is probably different than most because they're interviewing 750 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: gms and coaches. The Bears, you're just gonna be interviewing coaches. 751 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: But Ryan Poles is urging the front office to go 752 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: in a different direction than Ben Johnson for fear that 753 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: Ben may force him out. My question for you is, 754 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: if this is true, would you force Poles out in 755 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: order to get Ben Johnson? Or do you think the 756 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: Bears should stick with Ryan and whoever he decides. There 757 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: was a viral yesterday when did I go to the gym, 758 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: probably early morning, like nine o'clock, and I just had 759 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: to get my blood flown. Hadn't worked out much in 760 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: the last week, hadn't really done anything. I had gone 761 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: for one walk in a week, and on that walk, 762 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: I was really far away from my house and I 763 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: had some serious stomach problems and I was like, oh 764 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: my god, I'm in major trouble. And while there is 765 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: a golf course, and because we're in the desert, these 766 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: things called washes. It's the desert, so it's like not 767 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: trees and like soft bushes. It's not really an area 768 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: where I was in trouble. And I thought about Colin 769 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: Maria to come pick me up, but I wasn't gonna 770 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: have enough time. And there's this one like communal pool 771 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: that basically has a spaw. It's like a little park, 772 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: but as a little pool, it's nice, has a spa 773 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 1: that I think sometimes people use it spaws in their 774 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: backyard in like a barbecue area. And luckily people were 775 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: there and I walked in. The gate was open because 776 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have a key, the bathroom was locked, so 777 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: I had I was in such pain. I was just 778 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: I had no choice. It was very awkward. I asked 779 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: the people in the spa if I could use their 780 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: key to use a bathroom. Luckily I did, and I 781 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: tied myself because I didn't want to be in there 782 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: like five minutes. These people like touching our keys, but 783 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got off. So I'm at 784 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: the gym watching I click on an NFL network and 785 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: it's Shod Cone and Trent Bulkey, basically two boxes. You know, 786 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: it looks like Trent's at the office, Shods probably at 787 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: one of his fifteen homes, and he's sitting at his house, 788 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: and you know he has behind him. Clearly he doesn't 789 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: want everyone to see how Richie is or something. So 790 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: it's all like you know, the fake green screen where 791 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: it's just nothing and basically every question is just for 792 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: Shod Khan and Trent is just sitting there. It was 793 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: extremely awkward, and I watched him for like ten minutes. 794 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is They're just asking him the same 795 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,439 Speaker 1: question over and over and over. Why are you keeping 796 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: Trent Bulky? Why are you keeping treb Balky? Why did 797 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: you fire the coach and keep the GM? And I 798 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: missed this question by Sako Viral yesterday is. Someone asked 799 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: Sead that if you hire a coach and that coach 800 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: is the guy you want, but the thing he wants 801 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: is for Bulky to be gone, what would you do? 802 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: And Seod was like, yeah, we'd probably have to listen 803 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: to him. So eventually said like, if we hire a 804 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: guy that doesn't want Trent, that yeah, fire Trent. It 805 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: was just and Trent's just staring there into the zoom. 806 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: I think it is very, very difficult to make these 807 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 1: weird marriages happen. And sometimes you just get a GM 808 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: who is looking for a coach, right, Like, I'm just 809 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: trying to hire a coach and have a coaching relationship 810 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: with the guy, right, That's what we thought last year 811 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: when ran Carthin hired Brian Callahan. Your later he's fired 812 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: and now they're going to be in this weird spot. 813 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: But it's like if I'm a coach like Ben Johnson 814 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 1: and I get hired to Ryan Poles and I don't 815 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: know the guy, and everyone in the city is asking 816 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: for him to be fired, and it's like, is this 817 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: a healthy way to go? And I just came from 818 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: a team organizationally that believed in building the line of 819 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: scrimmage and this guy drafted a wide receiver over offensive lineman. 820 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: What if philosophically we don't even view football the same. 821 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,479 Speaker 1: But it's the Bears. I like Caleb and I want 822 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: this job. Well, my question would be if I'm a 823 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: McCaskey or I guess Kevin Warren is like, well, do 824 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: you have a personnel guy? And if you do, who 825 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: is it? Like? Part of it is I don't want 826 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: to work with this guy, but I got to have 827 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: my own guy. So are you bringing someone to the 828 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: table or are you just like, I'm not comfortable doing 829 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: this cause all reports are the Jags job's enticing. I 830 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of call bullshit. It's enticing. I don't even it's 831 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: a good job, not for my vantage point, but it's 832 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: really negative when you got a factor in Bulky. So 833 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: it's like Shod's already acknowledged that if you bring someone 834 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: else to the table. Listen. So if I'm Ben Johnson, 835 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: am I better off just going to Jacksonville where I 836 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 1: could bring my own guy and get Bulky fired where 837 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: the Bears are going to force polls onto me. But again, 838 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: all this stuff's job preservation. Most people listening right now, 839 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: if you've worked in some sort of corporate office setting. 840 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 1: You have worked around a ton of people, and money's 841 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: all relative. Ryan Poll's making millions of dollars, You've probably 842 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: worked around people that made fifty grand, one hundred grand, 843 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: two hundred grand whatever to do the same shit, What 844 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: do I have to do so I don't get fired? 845 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: It's actually less about how do we win? And I'm 846 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,399 Speaker 1: not even saying that this is that story might be true, 847 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: might not be. But if I'm Ryan Poles and I 848 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: know that I hire somebody. But if I'm gonna hire 849 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: the best coach possible and I've already got win that 850 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: that guy doesn't want to work with me, well why 851 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: would I want to hire that guy when I'm gonna 852 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: lose my job? Then I if I'm not, If it's 853 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: not my job, I don't give a fuck about the Bears. 854 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: I've already had to endure Kevin Warren and all this bullshit. 855 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: I've got to deal with it. And who knows, you know, 856 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: did he want Eba Fluci not. It's hard to get 857 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: to the bottom of these stories with the Bears. But 858 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: I do think it's just a basic human reaction. If 859 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: you have a role and they tell you if you hire, 860 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: you got these ten options. If you hire two of 861 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 1: those ten options, they're gonna want you gone. I think 862 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: most of us, again, it's whether you're a GM or 863 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: whether you're just a middle manager at a company, would 864 00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: probably avoid that person if it if it like like 865 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: ended your job. It's one thing, it's like, hey, listen, 866 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to learn to work with this guy. 867 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: That's like a basic we're all taught that at a 868 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: young age in like school, Like learn to get along 869 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: with this person, be nicer to this person. You're gonna 870 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: have to have a group project with these three people. 871 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: It's another thing if like we hire this guy, you 872 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: are fired, Like I don't think most people are signing 873 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,959 Speaker 1: up for that. I also think this time of year 874 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:37,919 Speaker 1: it's like a wildfire. These stories just gain momentum, and 875 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: it's like these big fires. It's like wind and trees 876 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just engulfs and it's you just 877 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: can't see it. You don't even know what to believe. 878 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: And something like the bears, this stuff is just just 879 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: encapsulate you. There's not a story that could come out 880 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: right now about the bear situation that we wouldn't believe 881 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: even completely false rumors. If I just told if you're 882 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: a Bears fan, and I said, I said, tomorrow, there's 883 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a headline. Caleb Williams demands of trade. Tomorrow, 884 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: there's a headline. Ryan Poles has resigned. Tomorrow, there's a headline. 885 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel reports he will take the Bear's job, but 886 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: he won't work for Kevin Warren. Like, all these things 887 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: are believable, and that's Ryan Poles does not want Ben 888 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,399 Speaker 1: Johnson because he'd want him fired. And that's just kind 889 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: of where we're at. I think with this coaching search 890 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: in general, I mean, all these teams fall under that 891 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: kind of umbrella. Since there is no salary cap in 892 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: the NFL for coaches, could the Lions offer Ben Johnson 893 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: head coach money to stay in Detroit. I'm sure a 894 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: stock will keep rising with this team instead of trying 895 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: to fix another franchise wait for the perfect fit. They 896 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: could pay him more than Dan Campbell if they want. 897 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: I think probably a decade ago. Jerry Jones did that 898 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett. Remember Miami wanted to hire him and 899 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: at the time they were offering him like five million 900 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,919 Speaker 1: dollars and Jerry Jones. Match didn't pay him five million 901 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: dollars to be the offensive coordinator. I think a couple 902 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 1: of years ago Josh McDaniels was making like eight million 903 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: dollars to be the Patriot offensive coordinator. You do whatever 904 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: you want. But part of Ben Johnson is if he 905 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: takes a head coaching job. Obviously the money factors in, 906 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: but it's like, I want to be the boss. I 907 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: want to be the guy giving the team speech. I 908 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: want to be the guy with the GM picking the 909 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: player on the draft. I want to be the guy 910 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: picking the guys in free agency. Ben Johnson's making millions 911 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: of dollars right now. I would imagine Ben Johnson over 912 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: the last three years has made ten million dollars eight 913 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 1: million dollars, Like he's a multi millionaire today and clearly 914 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: set up. If you wanted to stay with Detroit, they'd 915 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 1: probably pay him eight nine million dollars. If he became 916 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,240 Speaker 1: a head coach, he could make twelve to fifteen million dollars. 917 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: So he is going to be flush with money. That 918 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,399 Speaker 1: is not going to be his problem if he takes 919 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: a head coaching job. He is just tired. You know, 920 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: when you watch hard knocks and the coaching staffs in 921 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: the meeting room, and there's that long ass meeting table, 922 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, in like a just in one of those 923 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: you know they call it like a staff room in football, 924 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: but a lot of these, a lot of companies I'm 925 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,879 Speaker 1: sure you guys work for, have the same. And there's 926 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: just a meeting or a room where you meet that 927 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: is equipped to handle a lot of people. It's basically 928 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: like a long, long dinner table, but for work. And 929 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,840 Speaker 1: you know who sits at the head of the table 930 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: the head coach odd in hard knocks. Who are the 931 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: two guys at the head the head of the table? 932 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: They actually had kind of like a wider one. It 933 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: was Ryan Poles and Eberflus. Like part of the ambition 934 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: to be the lead dog is to sit in that 935 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: seat and see what it is like, like can I 936 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: get it done as the headman. That's you know, this 937 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: is a very very ambitious profession coaching, and I would 938 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 1: say scouting executives, you aspire to keep working up the ladder. 939 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,959 Speaker 1: And you know, in coaching, the pinnacle of the job, 940 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,720 Speaker 1: of a potential job is being a head coach. Obviously 941 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: it pays the most, but it also like you get 942 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: the most responsibility, and you want to test your ability 943 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,240 Speaker 1: do you have it in the bag or not? And 944 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: as we've seen, regardless how old you are, you've seen 945 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: most people fail because it's really really hard, and it 946 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: like Ben Johnson no scheme, like I don't have any 947 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: question marks like can Ben Johnson handle developing a game plan? 948 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: Can he lead the team? Can he build a team? 949 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 1: Can he handle controversial shit? Like when a star wide 950 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 1: receiver and his brother I guess, you know, I don't 951 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 1: know if i'd call Jameson Williams a star but highly 952 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: drafted receiver and his brother get pulled over with a 953 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 1: couple of loaded glocks about two in the morning, even 954 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: though he's a receiver and he's the offensive coordinator. You 955 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: know whose problem that is not? It's not Ben Johnson's. 956 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell deals with that. You know, when Jamison Williams 957 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: throws the ball at the referee or the opposing player, 958 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,759 Speaker 1: and the referee standing right there and they pull him 959 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,319 Speaker 1: out of the game, and Antoine Randall l and they 960 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 1: starts screaming at each other. You know his problem that 961 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: is not Ben Johnson's Campbell deals with that. And that's 962 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 1: what's so hard. About being a coach. Think of the 963 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: shit that like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick for the 964 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,399 Speaker 1: last Tomlin and Harball for the last twenty plus years, 965 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: those guys have had to deal with separate from football. 966 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking DUI's, I'm talking bad injuries. I'm talking I 967 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: saw this year with the forty nine ers, t Various 968 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: Ward's one year old daughter just died. Trent Williams's wife 969 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: miscarried both twins. Ricky pearsall got shot. This type stuff. Honestly, 970 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 1: even in most industries you don't have to deal with. 971 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: It's hard. You're dealing with young people with a ton 972 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: of money, public facing, you know, individuals. It's a challenge. 973 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 1: So it's why I'm always hesitant. I'm always hesitant with 974 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: draft picks. Last year with the quarterbacks, everyone's like Caleb 975 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: can't miss. There's no such thing as can't miss. It 976 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: does not exist. It never hasn't never will I was 977 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 1: texting with a friend that works in the league today 978 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: and we were texting about ran Carthin and he had 979 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: a good line. He said, drafting, hiring a general manager, 980 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: hiring a podcaster. No matter what it is, human selection 981 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: is very difficult and imperfect. It's why they're the draft 982 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: will always have a huge bus rate. You're dealing with 983 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: human beings. It's why hiring a head coaches will always 984 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: have a huge bus rate. It's why people that just 985 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: hire whatever company you work for that hire people like 986 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of turnover in most jobs. In most jobs, 987 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: I was industries, I worked in in radio, in football, 988 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: hellid podcasting. I've seen people come and go from podcasting. 989 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: It's there is no direct correlation. If you do this, 990 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: this and that, it's gonna one hundred percent work. Unlike 991 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 1: if I just acquire you know, a company, and I 992 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: just see your books, I got a pretty good idea. 993 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,760 Speaker 1: If we just keep doing this, we're gonna keep making money. 994 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: But when you hire an individual, whether it's a player 995 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: to play a position, whether it's a coach to be 996 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: a head coach, a coordinator, whether it's a GM from 997 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: being an assistant GM, you have absolutely no clue. You 998 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: can accumulate the most information possible and try to I 999 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: would say, like mitigate the percentage chances of failure. But 1000 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,439 Speaker 1: when they hire Joe Shane and Brian Dable, you would 1001 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,279 Speaker 1: have been like, I don't know if the resume could 1002 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: get that much better. Brian Dabele had better or Belichick. 1003 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: Then he left to go work for Saban. Then he 1004 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: went a non Belichick Saban guy and just went to 1005 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 1: work for Sean McDermott when they drafted Josh Allen and 1006 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: for years just started at the bottom, turned him into 1007 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: a star or what was part of it? Colin plays 1008 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: Obviously Josh gets creditude. It's like he'd work for Belichick, 1009 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: understands that, work for Saban, understands that, and then just 1010 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: goes completely off and goes work for a n Andy 1011 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: Reid guy and starts kicking ass. And I'm pretty sure 1012 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: Joe Shane what his background was before Buffalo. I'm pretty 1013 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: sure he worked for Carolina. It worked from Miami. So 1014 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 1: Shane's resume is not quite as good as his ay ball, 1015 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: but that was his guy. Then you put him together 1016 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: and it's been a complete failure. But how could anyone 1017 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: when those two guys were hired, and I'm thinking like 1018 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: that was a pretty good higher. You watched Joe Shane 1019 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 1: looks the part, skinny, good head of hair, articulate, speaks 1020 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: well in front of a podium, and a couple of 1021 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: years later you're watching hard On actually like, oh my god, 1022 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: this is the biggest disaster I've ever seen. I watched 1023 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: those guys interact. I'm like, this is not gonna work. 1024 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: They got no fucking clue what they were doing. But 1025 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: how would you have thought that when they hired it. 1026 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,840 Speaker 1: It was like, this guy's been an executive in the 1027 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: league forever. This guy's worked for the best and the brightest, 1028 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: and now just coached one of the biggest projects in 1029 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: the history of the league into startom. Yeah. I probably 1030 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,959 Speaker 1: would have hired him too. Huge fan from Montana question 1031 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: for the Mailbag. Football is my life and I'm a 1032 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: Titans fan, so my life sucks as they just fired 1033 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: the GM garbage franchise. Do you think it's possible the 1034 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: coach is also in trouble because as soon as they 1035 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: got the number one pick, they decided to get the 1036 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,920 Speaker 1: temperature read on Prime. Feels like they just do crazy 1037 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: shit and hope it works. Yeah, man, I think there 1038 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,040 Speaker 1: are some elements to like the Jets and the Raiders. 1039 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: You just don't really know what you're doing and you 1040 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: just kind of keep your fingers crossed. You make these 1041 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,600 Speaker 1: hires and you just hope and pray and you know 1042 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: Belichick before he took the North Carolina job, and he 1043 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,000 Speaker 1: was doing all the media. He used to use the 1044 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: saying when he described Woody Johnson, ready fire aim. That's 1045 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: what a lot of these franchises feel like. They're doing 1046 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: a lot of ready fire aim. And I think the Titans, Uh, 1047 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if they hired Dion, that'd be pretty nuts. 1048 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 1: Uh and Shador. I also think it's one thing Dion 1049 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: Shador in the Big twelve that would have a chance, 1050 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: Like it was really cool. As someone I've said this 1051 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: over and over, like I'm sappy when it comes to 1052 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: father son moments and that that final visual of those 1053 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,960 Speaker 1: two guys Shiloh two, Like, listen to someone that lots 1054 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: their dad, that's that's all fucking awesome. As someone that 1055 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: wants to have children here relatively soon, it's a powerful 1056 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 1: relationship and you get to coach your son in college 1057 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: and then have success. I would say the chance is 1058 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,200 Speaker 1: if they just got the band back together with the Titans, 1059 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 1: that it would go well. I think that'd be pretty challenging. 1060 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: But who knows. Maybe I'm just I doubted them at 1061 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Colorado wo't have worked. I would say I haven't read 1062 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: any rumors that like Dion's gonna go to the Titans, 1063 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: But at this point in time, when it comes to Tennessee, 1064 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:42,040 Speaker 1: how could you. I would imagine everything's on the table. 1065 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Started listening this offseason, Seahawks fan, I'm curious about your 1066 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,840 Speaker 1: final grade take on McDonald. You've spoken highly of them 1067 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: this season, and I mostly agree. However, I'm sitting here 1068 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 1: watching this meaningless Week eighteen game as the second string 1069 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: Rams are more less having their way with the Hawks defense. 1070 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,439 Speaker 1: As I typed this, the Rams just scored and went 1071 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: for two to tie the game in the third quarter. 1072 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: I may be spoiled by the LB days, but I 1073 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,120 Speaker 1: expect more from this team and I've seen way too 1074 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 1: much over the season to be excited for our future 1075 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 1: with Mike. I'm hopeful, but not excited. Side note, Casey 1076 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: second string is getting blanketed by Denver. Isn't that closer 1077 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,160 Speaker 1: to what this highly rated defense team should be doing 1078 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,080 Speaker 1: as well? The difference, though, is Denver had something to 1079 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: play for. Denver was playing to get into the playoffs. 1080 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,640 Speaker 1: You guys were eliminated last weekend. So we talk about 1081 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: human beings. If I'm a human being on Seattle, this 1082 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: game means nothing. No one will ever discuss Remember that 1083 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,800 Speaker 1: tenth win you guys had, or remember the year that 1084 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: you didn't beat the Rams and you won the nine 1085 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,760 Speaker 1: games once you missed the playoffs, and your season was 1086 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: where you were at, you were whatever nine and you 1087 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: were nine and seven going into that game. The game 1088 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 1: honestly could not have met any less. It was no 1089 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: different than all the teams that had absolutely nothing to 1090 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: play for with shitty records, and you're playing their backups. 1091 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: So put yourself in one of those players situations. Your season, 1092 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 1: you battled, you screwed up a couple weeks ago, cost 1093 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: you the playoffs, but you've had a solid season, you 1094 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: get eliminated from the playoffs, and then Sean McVay, like Monday, goes, 1095 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: we are punting on this game. So if you're a player, 1096 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: especially a young player, is gonna be on the team 1097 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,920 Speaker 1: next year, do you think you gave the same effort 1098 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,600 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday as you did a month 1099 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: ago when your season was really alive. It probably had 1100 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 1: a little substitute teacher type feel to it. It probably 1101 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,080 Speaker 1: had a little like I'm not gonna be as focused 1102 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: as much I might leave the office a little early, 1103 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,080 Speaker 1: basically winter breaks starting. So I don't judge him on 1104 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,040 Speaker 1: the Rams game at all. You went ten and seven 1105 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,520 Speaker 1: your quarterbacks Geno Smith. The defense is a lot better. 1106 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: He fired the offensive Coordinator'd be interesting to see who 1107 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: he hires, So I would say I would be bullish 1108 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 1: on Mike McDonald. Moving forward, What do you think of 1109 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,439 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels as the offensive coordinator for the Bears if 1110 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Rabel or Flores or hired as the head coach. The 1111 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,520 Speaker 1: idea being that if it works out, there is little 1112 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: chance that Josh would leave to become a head coach, 1113 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,000 Speaker 1: given that he has done so poorly in the past. 1114 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 1: There's zero chances nobody, at least in the pros maybe college. 1115 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't in college, but I'm just saying the NFL 1116 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 1: nobody's hiring Josh McDaniels. He's had two jobs. He did 1117 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: not make it to year two in either and two 1118 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,520 Speaker 1: desperate teams. They both ran him out of town. One 1119 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,640 Speaker 1: of the great con jobs in recent memory, the Josh 1120 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: McDaniels PR team a couple of years before he got 1121 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 1: the Raider job. I I bought it hook line and Sinker. 1122 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm like this guy, change man. He looked in the mirror. 1123 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: He started writing a journal of positive thoughts. I remember 1124 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: reading like a Dan Pompeii article. I'm my god, this 1125 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: is kind of got me. I'm like, Josh, we've been there, man. 1126 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes he's got to look in the mirror and make 1127 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 1: a change. Then it turns out he did not change. Uh. 1128 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of rumors that Vrabel would make 1129 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:53,360 Speaker 1: Uh McDaniels his offensive coordinator. I can't speak to those 1130 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: two relationship. Same with Flores obviously and Josh worked together 1131 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: for a long time. I don't know, I would say 1132 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Josh besides, I've seen him do some hits with Colin 1133 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: has been pretty off the grid, so his work as 1134 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator was pretty good. Now, granted, you know 1135 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: one thing I was thinking. It actually crossed my mind, 1136 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 1: probably sometime in the last week. Even if Josh changed, 1137 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 1: like became a better guy, maybe humility as he got 1138 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 1: older wasn't his cocky or whatever. In theory, he could 1139 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: coach Tom Brady really hard, So he coached Tom Brady, 1140 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,640 Speaker 1: which meant he could coach everyone else on the offense 1141 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: like it was nineteen sixty eight, nineteen seventy five, he 1142 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 1: could be and listen, the offense can be like you 1143 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 1: go to a Niners practice. Kyle Shanahan isn't writing perty 1144 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,040 Speaker 1: debo in Trent Williams not saying he doesn't coach them, 1145 01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 1: but it's like he's he picks the spots. Sean McVeigh, 1146 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying these guys aren't hard on people, but 1147 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,880 Speaker 1: you treat different people different ways. That is not the 1148 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,840 Speaker 1: way New England operated. Tom Brady was the tip of 1149 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 1: the spear and he got yelled at just as loudly, 1150 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: if not harder, than other guys. It was intense. Well, 1151 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,920 Speaker 1: most places no one has Tom Brady, so you get 1152 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: to these other places and it just overwhelms guys. And 1153 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: that's where Rabel. People used Rabel as being a Belichick guy. 1154 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Rabel just played for Belichick. Rabel coach for Urban Meyer 1155 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: and Bill O'Brien. Mike Vrabel did not coach for him. 1156 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: He was not going to coaching meetings, he was not 1157 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,120 Speaker 1: game planning Monday and Tuesday with the staff. That's when 1158 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,960 Speaker 1: he was a player. So I think Mike Rabel got 1159 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. He saw what it takes, 1160 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: like the intensity of practice, but then he saw other 1161 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,560 Speaker 1: stuff as a coach. Well, Josh, I mean, let's face it, 1162 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,760 Speaker 1: the majority of what he knows as a coach is 1163 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 1: under Bilt, and he's kind of proven that the only 1164 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,480 Speaker 1: way in coach is that way. Now it's a little 1165 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,440 Speaker 1: easier to do that when Mike Frable is your head coach. 1166 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 1: The thing with Flores, and I think there's been you know, 1167 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 1: could Flores because he's buddy with Ryan Poles. It's well documented, 1168 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 1: which I thought kind of funny how mean Flores was 1169 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,400 Speaker 1: the Tua and I think it stems from Flores did 1170 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,880 Speaker 1: not think Tua could play, which, listen, Flores was wrong. 1171 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: It's not like two was great, but two was definitely 1172 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 1: way better than Flores thought. But Flores was a dick 1173 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,439 Speaker 1: to him and the staff. Can you imagine I've seen 1174 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: some funny memes. Can you imagine Flores de calebing. One 1175 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,560 Speaker 1: thing with Tua is like to it played for Saban. 1176 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,040 Speaker 1: One thing I respect about to it like two was 1177 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: fucking mentally tough. Might not be good enough, but no 1178 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:01,960 Speaker 1: one questions Tua's like metal capabilities of like handling some shit. 1179 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty big question mark with Caleb 1180 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 1: and for most of Caleb's life, like everyone's been on 1181 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,720 Speaker 1: their knees giving him a reach around. You play for Saban, 1182 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,000 Speaker 1: like it was an intense environment for Tua to a 1183 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,200 Speaker 1: hand in Brian Flores and like I would say, handled 1184 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:23,200 Speaker 1: it relatively well. Caleb would never have experienced anything like 1185 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Brian Flores. I don't think that would work. I don't 1186 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,720 Speaker 1: see how Brian Flores could hold it in either, Like 1187 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 1: it would be difficult. That feels like a bad marriage. 1188 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: That feels like a marriage that I don't know, I'd 1189 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: have a hard I don't think Brian Flores and Caleb. 1190 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,599 Speaker 1: I just don't think Brian Flores could be nice to him. 1191 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,639 Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be able to look at him 1192 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,200 Speaker 1: after what he just witnessed on film and the way 1193 01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,200 Speaker 1: Caleb kind of carries himself. It's like, Caleb, your shit, 1194 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,000 Speaker 1: don't think anymore, buddy. Half the people that talk about 1195 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 1: football calling you a bust, Like let's let's take any 1196 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,080 Speaker 1: breath here, let's relax. Flora's come in fucking like a 1197 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: drill instructor. He'd be in that guy shit. Twenty four 1198 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: to seven, klem My quit. He was like, I'm out, 1199 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm rich. Uh nil, I'm done with this. 1200 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I could see Caleb demanding a trade before, like training camp, Okay, 1201 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: we'll get out of here on that, and uh, actually, 1202 01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. I would pay to see that. That'd 1203 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,479 Speaker 1: be an awesome hard knocks even though they were just 1204 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,240 Speaker 1: on hard knocks. He wouldn't get him again. Would be 1205 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Floras and Caleb Williams. Sign me up, Audios, Talk to 1206 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,919 Speaker 1: you guys soon. The volume