WEBVTT - Can you control your dreams? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.640 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:16.560 from house Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:23.479 the podcast Chuck. I'm flying, Chuck. Chuck. Brian is sleeping 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.159 right now flying um. He appears to be having some 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.600 sort of dream, possibly lucid dream. I'm flying? Are you awake? Chucky? 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.599 So lame it was? Should we keep it? Sure? Yeah? 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.959 How was your How is your sleep? You're feeling refreshed? 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.639 I am, I'm feeling great and awake. And you were 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.239 flying just now? I was. Were you aware that you 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.519 were flying in the dream and that maybe that's a 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.560 little abnormal? I was, well, Chuck, my friend, you were 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.600 having what is called a lucid dream. Wow, we should 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.440 talk about that. Yeah, we should. I mean, like, this 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.160 is this is podcast old. You just happen to be 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.520 having a lucid dreams And both of us have the 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.720 how Lucid Dreams Work article in front of us, right 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.200 in front of us, written by Katie Lambert, who's actually 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.280 an editor by day and apparently a lucid dream writer 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.119 by night. And we should say that this we've probably 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.039 gotten more fan mail requests for Lucid Dream podcast than 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.200 any other. I mean literally dozens and dozens of requests 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.400 for this, so we can't read down the list of 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.760 names because I haven't kept them. But this is for 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.400 all of you. Yes, thanks to all of you for 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:39.039 writing in and saying do it now. So we are Yep, 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.520 this is it. Let's just get this over with, shall 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.319 we think? We're gonna teach you how to lucid dreams 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.000 so you won't ever have to you know, you can 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.120 do it yourself, which I find interesting. Are you planning 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.280 on doing this? I'm gonna try it for sure. I'm 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.640 gonna try it to if I can remember. I get 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.400 very tired before I sleep. I've heard that. So back 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.520 to the beginning, right, alright, chuck um, So while you 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.800 were flying in your dream, the fact that you were 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.320 aware that you were flying in that it was weird 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.600 and aware that it was dreaming, right, correct? Yeah, Okay, 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.720 that that is what makes it a lucid dream. That's 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.800 pretty much. An elucid dream is a dream where we 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.200 realize we're dreaming. That's the hallmark of it. Right, You're 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.560 still dreaming and you're you can control what happens. In 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.040 your dream that my friend is up for debate. Yes, 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.959 the control part is up for debate. There's nobody. It's 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:29.960 not me, buddy. I would never say that to you 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.240 if other people hadn't already um there there there is 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.720 a big debate actually over you know, not whether whether 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.359 or not lucid dreams exist, that's taken as fact, but 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.840 whether or not we can control what goes on in 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.640 our dreams, which is the other aspect of lucid dreaming generally, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.520 Like you know, what did did you adjust your yaw 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.880 at any point in time while you're flying in your dreaming? 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.200 You have great y'all control. So Chuck, let's let's get 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.959 let's kick this puppy off show. Okay, are you gonna 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.280 kick this puppy off? You know, lucid dreaming has been 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.600 around for a while, chuckers. Yeah. I think they said 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.040 they traced it back to the eighteen hundreds and even 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.560 though even before Aristotle, right, you know it's funny, is 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.560 you just confused your research for a body dysmorphic disorder? Yeah, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.440 which we'll get to in about twenty minutes or two 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.880 or three days for you folks. Yeah, okay, yes, Aristotle 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.800 much further back than the eighteen hundreds wrote about lucid dreaming. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.800 He did. He didn't call it lucid dreaming, but he 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.320 described it in one of his writings. Um, And apparently 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.360 Tibetan Buddhists have been engaged in trying to control their 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.480 dreams lucid dreaming. Uh, not quite as far back as Aristotle, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.320 if I'm incorrect, because I think Aristotle came oh a 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.960 thousand or so years before Buddha. But they have something 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.000 called dream yoga. Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. It does. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.960 The name alone sounds pretty cool. Have you ever done yoga? Yeah, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.000 it's pretty difficult. I thought I found it difficult. It 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:03.240 is that like bending over right. Plus I think being, 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.480 you know, slightly overweight thirty eight year old is not 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.600 the time to start doing yoga. Well, the apparently there's 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.880 never a wrong time to start, but you just kind 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.280 of have to go in and go. I'm going to 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.520 shoot a duck at some point in time, and yeah, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.400 it's a young man's sport. If you ask me, it 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.440 requires more yaw control than either one of us are 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.240 capable of. Downward dog. So tell me a little bit 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.440 about dream yoga. Schuckers Josh, dream yoga, as you said, Buddhist, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.960 why are you giggling? That's funny? Uh? That is your 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.680 your goal there is to probe your consciousness. And basically 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.000 it's sort of like enlightenment, bring yourself to a constant 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.480 state of awareness, right, because I mean, if you're which 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.559 is a tenant of Buddhism, like just to see things 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.440 as they are. But why waste all of your you know, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.120 conscious awareness on um, I guess waking life? Why you know, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.080 take time off while you're sleeping. Yeah, so apparently dream 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.320 yoga is actually like being cognizant that you're dreaming and 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.400 then saying, okay, hey, why am I dreaming about this? 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.960 Or you know, why is that dog attacking me? Rather 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.720 than you know, curling up in my feet? So it's 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.200 a goal for constant awareness. And they figured, hey, why 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.600 take the night off, Let's just carry this right into sleep, right, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.680 because that's what Buddhists do. They have a work ethic 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.160 like you would not believe, my friend, how do you 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.200 feel about that about people going up to like the 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.920 mountains and just meditating for their entire lives productive member 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.400 of society or no, oh yeah, why not? What are 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.760 they doing. It's like, that's the most egocentric pursuit of 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.360 human can engage in. You think, going sequestering yourself from 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.400 the rest of humanity to to achieve nirvana or enlightenment 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.560 and just you know, probably dying the moment you get it. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.800 What's what's the point? What have you done? As a 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.400 social animal, which humans are by nature? You have brought 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.080 nothing to the table. You probably didn't even bother to 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.680 reproduce while you're up there. Well, I think there are 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.599 many paths, my friend, and that you don't have to 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.160 be a contributing member of society to be validated as 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.120 a human. You're a hippie. I think I'm just jealous. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:04.520 I would love to spend the rest of my life 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.640 on a mountaintops. God, I would get so bored. I 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.080 would drive myself crazy. If I had to be alone 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.240 in a cave with myself, I would go nuts. All right. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.800 So that's dream yoga, which is also called nondual awareness, right, 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.320 it's another name for it yet, which mystics like to 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.200 call it, but it's essentially the same thing. It's exploring 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.040 what's going on in your dreams and trying to figure 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.200 out why, which actually kind of falls into one. Um 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:35.680 one camp of the explanation for dreams, it's pretty much 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.440 split down the middle between physiological and psychological. That would 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.160 be that would subscribe to the psychological camp that when 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:47.800 we dream, we're basically our our innermost fears desires. But 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.479 you know how when they say, like, um uh, the 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.120 drunk person, the words of a drunk man, or the 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.320 thoughts of a soberman. Yeah, in vino veratas, I think, 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.520 is that right? Well, I mean so more concept, my goodness, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.680 chuck you like that? In wine there's truth. Of course, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.000 we all know that. Gotcha? Sure, um man, I'm impressed 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.040 with you right now because I spoke a dead language. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.280 Yes it's not dead, though. You're gonna get us some 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:17.880 listener mail. Um So. The psychological camp, which was spearheaded 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.800 by Sigmund Freud, said that our dreams were trying to 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:26.240 tell us something. Essentially, your mind is telling you something like, hey, um, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.040 you eat way too many doughnuts because your mother neglected 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:35.160 to breastfeed you. Something like that, especially along the Freudian lines, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.080 because everything was about sex and specifically having sex with 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.000 your mother. To Freud, yeah, a lot of it came 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.120 back to that. For sure, although he did say sometimes 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.800 the cigar is just a cigar. That is true as well. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.320 But no, to him, anything that was even slightly phallic 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.160 in nature represented a pallast and anything that was an 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.480 opening or a hole or something like that was vaginal 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.440 in nature. He saw the world very much in black 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.160 and white, and it was the aduct of his society, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:06.120 the uber repressed Victorian society. So, I mean his theories 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.240 were kind of dated. Yeah, I guess so. And actually 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.520 lucid dreamer, not that I not that I am aware of. Curious, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:19.080 you know who did? A Dutch psychiatrist named Frederick von Aiden. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.960 He's the guy who came up with the word lucid dreaming. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.000 And he was actually very much into his dreams. He 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.360 kept counting of them, and he found that he flew 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.960 in a lot of them, and apparently that he could 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.679 control them, and this is where the lucid dreaming, the 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.600 term lucid dreaming came from. Pretty cool. He also said 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.800 that there were nine different kinds of dreams, and only nine. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:40.480 I'd like to see that list. I didn't see that 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.280 list anywhere, I know, but I could see that my 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.360 dreams are generally kind of I could categorize in nine 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.320 different groups. I find the number nine daunting. That's a 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.280 lot of different dreams I have to have at night. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.600 I don't I don't want that kind of responsibility. You know, well, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.760 I don't think you always have to have all nine. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.800 I think that that's just the broad category they would 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.600 fall under, Like you may always have dreams that you're 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.959 naked at work, which means whatever. I'm not sure what 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.640 that means. I don't either. What do you think that means? 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.400 I don't know. I mean when you go to dream 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.160 books and things like that, there's usually a bunch of 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.360 different conflicting theories. I used to have a dream that 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.319 my teeth were either falling out or being or chattering, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.680 and I've heard different different explanations were choking me. Have 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.839 you had that one too? It's just it's that that Wow, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.079 it's that jah voo again. No it's not. It's deja vu. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.319 No it's not. It's you bringing up something that's already 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.480 been brought up. Have I said this before? Dude? This 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:41.400 happens a lot. Chuck Eggs Benedict, alright, mo Beta, okay, 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.680 I mean come on, Chuck' sorry, I have no no 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.920 explanation for this. So I think if if you are 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.360 having a lucid dream where you're in control and you 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.120 still show up to work naked, does that make you 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.400 a sick of Yes, okay for sure, Well chuck. Lucid 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.280 dreaming and the fact that it's even a concept that's 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.880 being discussed right now. The only reason we shlves are 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.160 talking about it is because of a guy named Stephen Lebert. Yeah, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.400 he's he's kind of the leading researcher for this. He's 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:16.560 a Stanford guy, Stanford many psycho psycho physiologist. Yeah, which 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.839 I imagine you go, you get some schooling to get 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.840 that title. Yeah, probably some dark days in that man's 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.719 life with that kind of title. Yeah, And he got 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.480 one from Stanford, which legitimizes him to a certain extent 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.040 in my opinion. Right, he calls himself a dream sailor, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.640 which de legitimizes him to a certain extent. In my opinion, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.080 I would call myself a psycho physiologist for no doubt. Yeah, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.040 he's he's the he's the leading man in this category. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.280 And he runs workshops actually where he will teach you 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.319 how to locid dream. And apparently they ain't cheap you know, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.760 a few thousand dollars, right, Yeah, And he'll also say that, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.800 and I'm not saying this guy's a scammer. Of course 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.400 it might be completely valid, but he says, oh, sometimes 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.560 it'll take you several months of this too, several workshops, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.520 several paychecks to learn how to locid dream And you 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:05.040 can either go to Dr Lebert's UM Lucid Dreaming Workshop 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.960 where you can just read this article because there's some 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:13.000 actual um methods of teaching how how to lucid dreams. Right, 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.439 we're not gonna do that right now that we're right, No, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.760 I think we should talk a little bit about dreaming 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.920 part of the brain. Remember I said that there's two camps, psychological, right, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.079 and then the physiological. The physiological kind of came onto 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:30.920 the scene in ninety seven, I believe came on like Gangbusters. Well, Josh, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.520 I think before we can talk about how to lucid 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.120 dream we should talk about what lucid dreaming actually is 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.640 on the bo or not biological, but the physiological. Yeah, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.800 that's the other camp. There's a psychological and then there's 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.000 the physiological as well. So we know we do know 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.160 that lucid dreaming occurs during rim sleep, which is the 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.480 fifth sleep stage when your body is just basically motionless. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.480 Your your body is literally paralyzed FIAT, and you don't 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.000 have any sensory input as far as anybody knows, um, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.000 and you can't move except for your yeah, your eyelids. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:10.080 And they this uh Stephen character has researched set up 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.600 studies where they would have a pre planned eye movement. Correct, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.200 feel yourself falling into a lucid dream, you would signal 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.120 the researcher, Hey, I'm having a lucid dream now right. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.480 So Liberisi and some of his crew hooked up some 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.439 people who I guess reportedly had lucid dreams to an 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.480 electro and cephalogram and measured their brain activity, the electrical 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.440 activity in their brains um and then yeah, prearranged the signal. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.240 I didn't did you get the impression what the signal was? 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.880 But you have fluttered or something like that. I don't know, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.800 maybe a certain pattern of eye flutters or something. I 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.679 don't know. Basically, it was somebody communicating from their their 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.400 dream state. Yeah, they were saying, I'm having a lucid 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.560 dream right now. That is super creepy and super cool. Yeah, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.040 but that's the closest that's the only evidence that we have, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.680 the only physical evidence that we have that there is 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.400 such thing as lucid dreams. Right, but it actually worked, Right, 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.760 it did work. And that's that's not really supposed to happen, Chuck, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.319 Like we're we're basically our brain is supposed to be 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.480 shut down, or at least the part of the brain 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.560 that is um capable of, you know, sending a message 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.560 from the dream world, you know, to the waking life 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.480 world where a bunch of people are standing around you 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:24.280 in white lab coats like watching your eyelids. Good point, thanks, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:35.360 very astute. Thanks So Chuck, what was that? I don't know, um, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.520 what's going on in the actual brain too, that they 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.520 could explain lucid dreaming, because you know, we shouldn't, we 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.439 should be basically slaves to our dream states. Well, there's 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:51.200 a doctor at Berkeley, you know this, Matthew Walker. Dr 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.680 Matthew Walkers, a New York cardiologist. He uh, he's the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.320 director of a sleep lab in California at Berkeley, and 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.320 he and that's this theory kind of makes sense to me. Uh. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.200 The lateral prefrontal cortex is the part of the brain 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.800 that deals with logic and what he thinks is during 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.040 rem sleep, this part of the brain is supposed to 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.920 be asleep, but he thinks it's possible that actually wakes up. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.800 So your dream state and logic are both firing at 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.880 the same time, So the dreamer is able to kind 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.040 of recognize that you're actually dreaming, right, because since you know, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.200 if the logical part of your brain is working, you'd 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:29.160 be like, I don't really fly, must be dreaming. Or 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.520 I'm falling now and I'm going to die yes, or 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.160 another common dream. How about a Apparently lucid dreams are 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:42.480 often sexy. Sexy dreams control erotic in nature. Yeah, I 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.720 have a lot of celebrity dreams where I'm friends with 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.600 some of my celebrity heroes. I have them all the time, well, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.080 not all the time. I have like five or six 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.760 really detailed good ones a year that I'm like buddying 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.320 around with Larry David or Gene Ween. Yeah, bo Luke, dude, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.800 three of us. I'm writing Shotgun. He bet I do. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.960 Though my Emily always cracks ups. You think it's funny, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.640 So Chuck, let's um undermine Stephen Levert's just thousands of 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.840 dollars per workshop. Come on and teach people how to 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.000 have lucid dreams. Okay, let's do it. At the very least, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.080 we're gonna give you a few techniques that you could try. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.160 We make absolutely no claims that this will work, so 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.040 we don't even try to sue us if it doesn't. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.560 But it's worth a shot. I think it makes sense. First, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:28.800 the first thing you have to be good at his 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.880 dream recall. That's kind of like the setup you should 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.600 do is keep a dream diary, they say, a dream journal, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.360 and you know, keep some paper in a pin next 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.360 to your bed, and when you wake up, right down 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.080 what you're dreaming, even if it's in the middle of 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.600 the night. And um, as you as you do that, 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.280 you'll become more attuned to the process and you'll kind 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.000 of train yourself to remember your dreams. Yeah, so that's 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:57.040 a good start. Yeah. And uh, another another good technique, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.560 I guess is a mnemonic induction of lucid dreaming. You 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:05.120 heard of this one, m I L D mild Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.000 this is one of Lebert's techniques, so apparently he's given 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.440 it away. Um. Basically, what you do is when you 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.320 wake up from a dream, you try to recall it 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.360 important um, and then as you're going back to sleep. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.440 This apparently would work best in the middle of the 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.440 night when you go back to sleep, you are you. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.760 You keep reminding yourself that you're about to start dreaming, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.000 and pretty soon you're gonna you're going to dream again, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.320 and you actually want to go back to the last 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.960 dream you had, so you're you're controlling things from the 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.040 outset um. And then once you get to that dream again, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.680 you're gonna start you want to actively look for what 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.520 Libert's calls dream signs. The dream sailor calls these dream 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.440 signs um. Right, Well, like if you have wings or 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.200 you're flying. So you're looking for these kind of things, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.680 and you remind yourself that you're dreaming, um. And that 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.320 apparently puts you in the driver's seat of your dreams 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.760 and can give you lucid dreams that you're in control. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.480 I would have called myself the dream weaver. I would 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.080 never call you that. Okay, um, they say, and this 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.600 was a little extra research, Josh, I'm gonna lay on you. Um. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.880 There's some old Mexican and Indian techniques in their cultures 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.600 where you can look at your hands during a dream. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.560 Have you heard that one? No? Apparently, if you look 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.399 at your hands during a dream, that's a signal that 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.440 you can take control of it from that point on. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.320 But I guess you would have to be in control 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:31.840 to look at your hands in the dreams. So I 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.199 don't know about that one. Yeah, but I'd be more 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.480 willing to trust some like ancient culture practice than than 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.679 this crackpot out in California. Well they have, they have 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.120 more staying power. Yeah, yeah, so that's I mean, I'm 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.520 gonna try that one. I'm gonna try and see if 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.080 I can look at my hands because I don't notice 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.520 if I even see my hands in my dreams. Well, 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:55.360 my all time favorite lucid dreaming technique is called reality testing. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.880 Yeah late on me, and it actually falls in line 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.040 with the Buddhist dream yoga, where basically you walk around 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.679 all day going I'm in my waking state, I'm in 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.080 conscious reality. Like when I opened when I turned this 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.920 door knob, this door is going to open, and it's 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.800 just gonna be a regular room behind it because I 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.600 can predict things because this world is based on rationality 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.520 and logic, right, So you basically just remind yourself that 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.360 you're not dreaming all day, in the hopes that when 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.080 you start to dream, you will be aware of the separation, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.959 the border between our dream state and waking life. And 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.680 you can carry this over and say, now I'm dreaming. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.479 When I opened this door, there's going to be like 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.720 an eight headed dog on the other side. If you 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.600 have to speak like your dreams, I've heard it helps. Yeah, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.480 it's good. Yeah, um, yeah, that's that's how I talk 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.200 when I'm dreaming or when I'm reminding myself of anything 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.840 like no, I've got to take the garbage out tonight. Yeah, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.680 I should really not drink this evening. That kind of thing. Yeah, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.320 I know, that's a dream uh nova dreamer. You want 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.480 to talk about this thing, But this is an actual 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:05.520 contraption that the same doctor in California Liberts has built, 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.679 I guess, and it is u. Katie describes it as 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.800 a cross between a sleep mask and goggles. So you 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.360 wear this puppy when you go to sleep, and what 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.720 it does is when it when it knows you're in 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.720 rim sleep, sensors track your eye movements to to let 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.919 it know, and then it shines a light in your eye. Right. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.280 It's kind of like looking at your hands. Yeah, the 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.480 ancient technique, but you have a reliable reminder, right, so 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.240 it shines a light in your eye and then your dream. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.320 I mean, I guess you stay asleep. I personally would 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.120 wake up if someone's shine a light in my eye 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.680 and be like what the Yeah exactly, and uh so 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.160 that's the signal you know you're dreaming at the time, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.000 and you just take it from there. Yeah. Can we 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.160 be done with this now? Well, I think the dream 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:52.040 weaver thellar question, Josh, have you ever had a lucid dream? 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.359 I don't you know what, Chuck, I don't remember my 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.960 dreams very often. I have, Yes, I have once. Let's 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.879 hear it. Do you really want to hear it? A 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.159 truncated version, sure, the twenty two minute version. Um, I 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.960 I was basically I had a theme song. I wasn't 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.040 actually a pimp, but like kind of like in the 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.040 very slangy version of the word pimp, like it just 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.960 kind of walking along like what's up? My dog ran 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.800 past me? But it was a she was a balloon dog, 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.879 like a balloon animal. And um that was about it. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.240 That was about all I remember. But it was one 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.280 of the very few times where I was ever like 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.240 this is cool, and that to me is about the 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.600 same as I'm dreaming, Like I was aware that I 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.920 was enjoying like this dream while I was in the dream. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.680 You know what I mean. I think that's probably the 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.240 closest I've had to a lucid dream. Ask me, well, Chuck, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.120 is a time for listener mail, Chuck, tell me about 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.439 your lucid dream, buddy. Well, I don't have one specifically, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.040 but it does happen to me from time to time 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.879 where I'll be aware that I'm dreaming and really digging 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.680 the dream and manipulating where I'm going in the dream 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.119 and where do you go? Well, wherever Disney World, wherever 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.280 I feel like at the time, so where I'm a 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.040 dream sailor so you can't box me, and wherever the 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:14.200 high seas take me. So yeah, I've lucid dreamt And 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.840 I also, um, I'm pretty good at waking up from 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.480 a dream that I was really enjoying and falling back 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.160 asleep and going back into that dreams. You just love 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.119 to tease yourself, huh. Yeah, And I'm a light sleeper. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:27.840 So have you ever heard that if you tell people 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.159 about your dreams. They'll like, if you have a nightmare 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.639 and you tell somebody the nightmare in detail, like, you 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.480 won't have it again. I have not, what's up with that? 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.720 And I've had plenty of recurring dreams too. Oh well, 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.560 if you ever have a dream that you saddled with 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.240