Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'm that for me.
Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 2: I want to be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Ado State? Is
Speaker 1: that woo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Solid Verbal, Boys and girls, my name is ty
Speaker 1: Hildebrand joining me as always over there in New York City.
Speaker 1: My man, the one and only Dan Rubinstein. Sir, how
Speaker 1: are you Ty? When was the last time you did drugs?
Speaker 2: I ask because after this show, people are going to
Speaker 2: want to test you, because you are going to perform
Speaker 2: at such a high level.
Speaker 1: They're going to say, what is up with Ty hildenbr
Speaker 1: I feel shot out of a cannon tonight? Dan? Is
Speaker 1: that true? I do. We've got a lot to get through.
Speaker 2: Before we get through it, Can I turn off the
Speaker 2: heater that my wife left?
Speaker 1: M all right? You comfortable? We need to have your
Speaker 1: rhythm because we've got a lot to get through. Tonight
Speaker 1: it was National Signing Day. Yes, today we will certainly
Speaker 1: make reference to what transpired on signing Day. This is
Speaker 1: not a signing day show, though, typically what we find
Speaker 1: and we've been doing the show for god, I lost
Speaker 1: count how many years. Well, what we do is we
Speaker 1: bring in Brandon or somebody and we talk about the
Speaker 1: news of the day, and inevitably there's always a handful
Speaker 1: of kids who delay their commitment, and the news is
Speaker 1: never really current because there is more of the story
Speaker 1: left to tell. We're going to put off that show
Speaker 1: a week or two, talk about it in a little bit.
Speaker 2: Let's do it next week. We'll do it next week.
Speaker 2: We will take that well, that long view. We'll focus
Speaker 2: on National Signing Day. We will give you a thirty
Speaker 2: thousand foot view. We'll bring in a knowledgeable guest to
Speaker 2: focus just primarily on that. But we've also got some
Speaker 2: other news that we want to talk about.
Speaker 1: And we've got just a bunch of questions that have
Speaker 1: been building up, things that you and I I think
Speaker 1: need to work out between each other. Like, let's just
Speaker 1: make this an organic show. We can answer questions, talk
Speaker 1: about college football, a casual dress Wednesday here on the verbal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: We've got a fun little news, personal news, personal news
Speaker 2: story that we can touch on probably tail end of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: And then just.
Speaker 2: Just have fun with each other. Tie, because that's what
Speaker 2: this show is all about it's just relationships. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I've I've been listening to a lot of Fat Joe
Speaker 2: for reasons I'll explain later perhaps, but it's it's.
Speaker 1: About us, It's about Trust's what's love. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: So before we get there, quickly, some news news including
Speaker 2: signing down.
Speaker 1: We got it. We got to play in the sound.
Speaker 1: If it's news, Dan, I don't know how breaking it is,
Speaker 1: but it's bricking news. Uh.
Speaker 2: USC has an offensive coordinator. Yeah, that's something we go
Speaker 2: Uh this because we're recording once a week.
Speaker 1: This is old news. This is old news. This is
Speaker 1: old news.
Speaker 2: Graham Harrell, who has been at North Texas helping to
Speaker 2: run that offense, has come in the sty of Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 2: who moved on to the Arizona Cardinals. So USC at
Speaker 2: least has an offensive coordinator. We really don't know the
Speaker 2: full shape of what USC is going to look like
Speaker 2: next year, both player wise, coaching wise, whatever. Lot can
Speaker 2: always change all my program.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question please? I'm guessing you saw
Speaker 1: the news about the big acquisition in the podcasting arena
Speaker 1: Spotify and Gimblet and Anchor. Yeah, I think that's local
Speaker 1: to me. Gimblet's in Brooklyn, right, for sure, a lot
Speaker 1: of podcast nerdery going on. You can read about it.
Speaker 1: But Spotify made a giant acquisition to the tune of
Speaker 1: two hundred and some million dollars to become more prominently
Speaker 1: part of the whole podcast thing. We'll do it for
Speaker 1: a buck fifty one hundred and fifty mil. What is
Speaker 1: the price tag? What is a dollar amount we could
Speaker 1: fetch if we went around and pitched an oral history
Speaker 1: of the Cliff Kingsbury era at USC.
Speaker 2: Oh, like we did what like Roger Bennett did with
Speaker 2: the US national team. It's like that limited run special
Speaker 2: type thing.
Speaker 1: That's right, It'll be a one episode mini series on
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's time at USC. How many hundreds of dollars
Speaker 1: could we get for that?
Speaker 2: We could get as many dollars as he spent days
Speaker 2: in that job. I say, we could get a premium lunch.
Speaker 2: We could afford a premium lunch between us Dan's favorite
Speaker 2: taco join in La. Okay, Yes, what else do we got?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So Pap Hamilton is out at Michigan, which sort of
Speaker 2: seemed like writing was on the wall. This is all
Speaker 2: the coaching stuff after Josh Gattis was hired. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: Ben McDaniels was promoted I think to quarterbacks coach. That's
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's brother, who was an analyst at Michigan, And
Speaker 2: so there's a little movement on the offensive coordinator front.
Speaker 2: And I think signing Day obviously has taken the biggest
Speaker 2: hold in terms of attention in the college football world.
Speaker 2: And to nobody's surprise, it's Alabama one, Georgia two, Texas three,
Speaker 2: Texas A and m four, which is a bit of
Speaker 2: a surprise. Metem Fisher nice, very very good recruiter, and
Speaker 2: Oklahoma with I don't know if this is their best
Speaker 2: class ever, it seems like it could be, but they're
Speaker 2: at number five, I believe at the time of this recording.
Speaker 2: Oregon had a very strong class, Washington finished strong, Tennessee
Speaker 2: finished strong, Georgia had a big flip, Florida finished very strong.
Speaker 2: We mentioned Michigan. They finished for the first time, I
Speaker 2: would presume in some time. With Urban Meyer at Ohio
Speaker 2: State for as long as he was, they finished with
Speaker 2: the top class in the Big Ten, with Penn State
Speaker 2: and then Ohio State following them.
Speaker 1: Also notable.
Speaker 2: Usc generally top five ish, theyre at number seventeen at
Speaker 2: the time we're doing this. Nebraska number nineteen.
Speaker 1: Heard it up that heat on Clay Helton Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's just so much uncertainty, and we'll
Speaker 2: get to more usc stuff later, but Nebraska number nineteen,
Speaker 2: I think is impressive all things considered. Arkansas, who had
Speaker 2: a woeful year at twenty two, because you know, positions,
Speaker 2: jobs are up for grabs when you don't win a
Speaker 2: game in conference, it's all on the table. It's all
Speaker 2: on the table. Florida State a pretty good class, a
Speaker 2: great corner dB class, whatever, but zero high school quarterbacks
Speaker 2: for the second consecutive year, leaving how many total scholarship
Speaker 2: quarterbacks eligible at this time? He got like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: James Blackman. Yeah, okay, that would be the big one
Speaker 2: because DeAndre friend DeAndre Franzois was dismissed this past week.
Speaker 2: So Florida State in a bit of a jam there
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Weldcat in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: A lot of cam Akers, folks, the wild cam so
Speaker 2: a lot of story. I mean, Tennessee finished very strongly.
Speaker 2: A guy from California linebacker with the rare double apostrophe
Speaker 2: it's Henry to'to O I think is his name.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fun with that one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's going to Tennessee. And they signed a very
Speaker 2: large man, a very good offensive line class for Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So Jeremy pruittt doing at least big things on the
Speaker 2: recruiting trail there. And I saw Virginia signed a German quarterback.
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Miami signed a twenty four year
Speaker 1: old tatted up punter from Australia. Let's do this. I'm
Speaker 1: so I'm ready for that. Oregon State signed a dude
Speaker 1: with a giant mullet, like a giant redheaded mullet. Guy
Speaker 1: Washington finished. Yeah, giant redhead mall. Guy Washington finished, very
Speaker 1: very strong and impressive fashion. Texas held onto a couple
Speaker 1: of big dudes. So nothing crazy as it relates to
Speaker 1: the classes that we've seen these past few years, but
Speaker 1: it sort of we're spreading the signing day excitement out.
Speaker 1: It's spread kind of thin with the early signing period
Speaker 1: in mid to late December and then the first it's
Speaker 1: the first Wednesday in February, so we're going to touch
Speaker 1: on all of it. We mentioned the early stuff when
Speaker 1: it happened, But we'll touch on all of it next week, presumably,
Speaker 1: unless you know he's too good for us. Brandon Huffman
Speaker 1: from now twenty four to seven Sports. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know the other component of recruiting. Obviously, you've got the
Speaker 1: early signing period, we've got the normal signing period, I'll
Speaker 1: call it, and we're all used to, yes, But there's
Speaker 1: this transfer portal business that sort of fills in the
Speaker 1: gaps that goes on year round. But it seems that's
Speaker 1: gained more prominence now as well. We could talk more
Speaker 1: about that. I saw we got some questions coming in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: regarding the transfer portal and what it means to the
Speaker 1: state of college football. I feel like we've addressed that
Speaker 1: in the past, but these are a little bit more specific.
Speaker 1: So we can talk about all that and more anything
Speaker 1: else in the way of news, Dan, because we've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions here that I know you and
Speaker 1: I both want to address. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, Greg Ciano is gonna be the defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. Obviously, Ryan Day hires Greg Madison to
Speaker 2: be the defense of the new defensive coordinator for Ohio State,
Speaker 2: and that left greg Ciano looking for a job, and
Speaker 2: he has his you know, very clear connections to pro football,
Speaker 2: so that sort of makes sense. I think what the
Speaker 2: Patriots lost their defensive coordinator to the Dolph.
Speaker 1: Dolph Uh, yeah, he was a linebacker coach, baby, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was a co dct of place. I barely
Speaker 2: know college football at alone. The stuff in the NFL
Speaker 2: I did do, by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you have it at at the ready. I watched I
Speaker 2: sort of watched the Super Bowl. Well what a drive chart?
Speaker 1: Tie? Oh no, what a drive chart? I posted it
Speaker 1: on the Twitter feed. I recorded special go out to
Speaker 1: the Twitter. Yeah, and look at the drive chart. That
Speaker 1: would have been an epic drive chart on this show.
Speaker 1: Not just one team, really the entire game. If you
Speaker 1: went into that game looking for a pyrotechnic offensive display,
Speaker 1: what you got was really low rung SEC defensive football.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. I mean not even Alabama LSU back
Speaker 1: in the day. This was just bad defensive minded football
Speaker 1: is what it amounted to.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't enjoy
Speaker 2: all things Wade Phillips. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 2: his cowboy hat. I can appreciate all things. Son of bum.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stand taller than that, but it was
Speaker 1: a rough watch at times. I'm not an NFL guy
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: I probably watched two or three NFL games this year,
Speaker 2: so that was one of them and didn't really do
Speaker 2: much for me. So the other thing, By the way,
Speaker 2: before we get way too far down an NFL path,
Speaker 2: there are plenty of NFL podcasts for you listener.
Speaker 1: Listen to the Bill Barnwells Show. Good. Okay, we should
Speaker 1: mention did you see the brill stuff? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: so Our Brills supposedly had a conversation with Jay Hobson,
Speaker 1: the Southern misshead coach, about becoming their next offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: And he had that conversation without the school's administration knowing.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to have an Our Brills conversation,
Speaker 1: you're you live in the corporate world somewhat ty. What
Speaker 1: what would be the loop them in? Yeah? Can we can?
Speaker 1: We can we set up a conference call here? Loop
Speaker 1: me in? Yeah? Can we circle back?
Speaker 2: Should we circle back? We touch base? Can we can
Speaker 2: we have a chat? Quick buzz? There was none of that,
Speaker 2: and that is not the way to go about business.
Speaker 2: When hiring or potentially hiring somebody like our brills the school,
Speaker 2: we shoot a statement say he is not in consideration.
Speaker 2: We are not going to be in the business of
Speaker 2: our brills after everything that happened at Baylor and all
Speaker 2: of his involvement with what happened at Baylor and Jay Hobson.
Speaker 1: The I saw you defended it then right.
Speaker 2: He then went out and said listens and like a
Speaker 2: not great person and he said, you know we're we're
Speaker 2: here for second chances and he's a man of the Bible, and.
Speaker 1: Okay, nope, uh huh, can't do it. Well, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: We put out a call across all the channels Twitter, Facebook.
Speaker 1: Did we put on Instagram? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think we put on Instagram. Not that we
Speaker 2: got questions on the Gram. We didn't do the gram.
Speaker 2: Did we get questions on the Gram?
Speaker 1: We had some that were sent into us as wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even check. People are. People are trying all
Speaker 1: methods to get through to us to have their questions answered.
Speaker 1: Some good ones out on the Reddit that we're going
Speaker 1: to address. Some that came in through plain old fashioned email.
Speaker 1: Soliverble at Gmail. We try to do these shows about
Speaker 1: once a week during the off season. Now that we're
Speaker 1: in February, we're squarely in the off season. We've had
Speaker 1: a chance to decompress a bit from the college football
Speaker 1: regular season. We are still, of course, going through our
Speaker 1: conference autopsy rulings, got two of those out already. There
Speaker 1: will be more yet to come in addition to all
Speaker 1: the other cool stuff that we've got planned this offseason.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a big off season for the
Speaker 1: Solid verbel But we feel like we can't go forward
Speaker 1: and talk more about specific college football topics without doing
Speaker 1: a bit of a retrospective and first answering questions from
Speaker 1: the verballerhood at large. So Dan, if we could, You've
Speaker 1: got mail, You've got mail on the Solid verbal as
Speaker 1: often as we can, we'd like to pay homage. Where
Speaker 1: do we want to start here? Dan? You know what,
Speaker 1: Let's start big picture.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed this question, not because I think about it
Speaker 2: all too often, but because I think it's an interesting
Speaker 2: talking point with where we are as a sport, or
Speaker 2: at least covering a sport or fans of the sport.
Speaker 2: This comes to us, I assume from Reddit because it
Speaker 2: comes to us from Reddit lads seven eight nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's probably a Reddit user. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Looking at the correlation between national championships, eleven win seasons,
Speaker 2: and recruiting class rankings, do you guys think that there
Speaker 2: will ever be a movement to instill parody in college football?
Speaker 2: I personally think the future is pretty bleak for college football,
Speaker 2: as the incredible amount of money being made is going
Speaker 2: to force a terra forming world big word formation of
Speaker 2: land or Earth of sorts, of the current system into
Speaker 2: something even more corporate that will allow the elite high
Speaker 2: school players to be more easily funneled into blue blood programs.
Speaker 2: I imagine that at some point that deals with the
Speaker 2: visual services TV and streaming will become so lucrative that
Speaker 2: it will lead to a super conference or super conference
Speaker 2: is made of the most revenue rich program.
Speaker 1: Would you say, Pangaea going to throw out ten cent
Speaker 1: words a Pangaea? Sure? I would love college football. So
Speaker 1: here's his point, is on the money for sure?
Speaker 2: Right, It's basically asking, are we going to reach a
Speaker 2: point where it is just the halves and it's going
Speaker 2: to become an even more binary sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the thing. Are we ever going to
Speaker 1: see parody within the current format of college football. The
Speaker 1: answer is most likely no. Could we see parody within
Speaker 1: some super conference if we keep going the way we're going,
Speaker 1: that could probably be worked out to some degree. I
Speaker 1: think that's the more likely scenario at this point. It
Speaker 1: doesn't happen two years from now, may not even even
Speaker 1: happen ten years from now. But I think to his point,
Speaker 1: that's where we're headed. We're headed down a path where
Speaker 1: we form a super conference twenty five years in the future,
Speaker 1: and it is truly haves and have nots, yes and no.
Speaker 2: So there is part of me looks at college football
Speaker 2: and says, this is not a sport that is meant
Speaker 2: to have equality. And very few sports are in the
Speaker 2: way that they're set up, and with there's a ton
Speaker 2: of free agent and player agency in the NBA. You
Speaker 2: would know about the Premier League or the EPL, whatever
Speaker 2: it is better than I. But it appears that, especially
Speaker 2: overseasoned soccer, that the haves are separated.
Speaker 1: There is no parody. There is no parody whatsoever.
Speaker 2: So there's no parody there. There's a luxury tax in baseball.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even begin to speak to how hockey is ruled,
Speaker 2: but I know that there's a.
Speaker 1: Salary cap there. Correct, Yes, there's a salary cap.
Speaker 2: So what I would say as it relates to college
Speaker 2: football is parody exists in that all of the biggest
Speaker 2: schools have a similar amount of money to throw around.
Speaker 2: So hypothetically, we could have a super conference and there
Speaker 2: are twenty two teams and it's USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: Texas A and M Alabama, LSU, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Because they're all playing on relatively even playing fields in
Speaker 2: how much they spend, what their facilities look like, what
Speaker 2: they've been able to grow their brands into. So there
Speaker 2: is that element what he's mentioning that terraforming. But I
Speaker 2: imagine because of how college football is structured, and because
Speaker 2: it's recruiting, and because there are different TV deals in
Speaker 2: different conferences and different amounts of talent in different parts
Speaker 2: of the country, this was never meant to be a
Speaker 2: sports that was going to be evened out, And so
Speaker 2: I think it's an accept what we have and move
Speaker 2: forward and find the pockets that you enjoy rather than
Speaker 2: the will tce you ever get to the point where
Speaker 2: they can compete for national championships year outs because they
Speaker 2: have a great defensive mind in Gary Patterson. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's the reality that we need to be looking for.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the counterpoint. Yeah, the one major professional sport
Speaker 1: that we know and some of us love, the NFL,
Speaker 1: professional football, has gone to extreme lengths to promote parody.
Speaker 1: You could finish with three wins one year and the
Speaker 1: next year go to the playoffs, go to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: finish thirteen to three. That is not an uncommon occurrence
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's something that happens, you know, more
Speaker 1: often than you might think. What is the argument against
Speaker 1: the NFL that we hear, at least on our front,
Speaker 1: That it's corporate, that it's soulless, that it does not
Speaker 1: have nearly the same level of passion that we see
Speaker 1: in the college game. So I could certainly imagine if like,
Speaker 1: let's say you're I don't know, a Purdue fan, so
Speaker 1: you're a UCF fan, that promise of parody might be
Speaker 1: something rather attractive to you. But what does it do
Speaker 1: to the sport? Does it make things more interesting in
Speaker 1: the long run? I don't know. I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that. I know what it's done in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't worked to promote passion.
Speaker 2: We're having this conversation because of one man, right, are
Speaker 2: we having this conversation because of Nick Saban? Probably because
Speaker 2: everybody else that has had somewhat sustained success, and even
Speaker 2: Nick Saban to a certain degree has done so because
Speaker 2: of a vacuum of some kind. So not that that's
Speaker 2: the reason for the success, but it's a contributing factor.
Speaker 2: Like Clemson is soaring right now, and there's a Florida
Speaker 2: State vacuum and a Miami vacuum.
Speaker 1: Right on. One of the other questions that we got
Speaker 1: in here somewhere, and I don't know if it's on
Speaker 1: the sheet, but somebody asked the question, our dynasty is
Speaker 1: good for college football? Right? You could extend that out,
Speaker 1: or dynasty is good for Well, hasn't college football always
Speaker 1: been dynastic? For sure? For sure? So my answer to
Speaker 1: that is, yeah, it's good. It's good because you've always
Speaker 1: got someone to root against, when.
Speaker 2: You always got something to root against, and then when
Speaker 2: that giant redwood of a dynasty is chopped down, whether
Speaker 2: it's Quiz Rogers running fly sweeps or it's you know,
Speaker 2: Swag Kelly throwing for a bajillion yards against Alabama or
Speaker 2: Texas losing to Kansas State. Those are the games that
Speaker 2: we remember. Those are you know, Ohio State losing to
Speaker 2: Purdue or Michigan losing to Iowa, whatever. Those are what
Speaker 2: we live for, those games, those weeks, those scenarios, and
Speaker 2: so you have to have that. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: don't like it, you have to have that bad guy.
Speaker 2: If you do like it, you appreciate the excellence. You
Speaker 2: appreciate talent all over the field, and there's sort of
Speaker 2: something for everybody. We are of the mind I'll speak
Speaker 2: for myself, but I think you're somewhere around here as
Speaker 2: well that the point of college football is not national championships.
Speaker 2: It's the climb, it's not the peak. Right, So you're
Speaker 2: going Miley Cyrus. I'm always going to go Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 2: But Saban doesn't. If Nick Saban doesn't exist in the
Speaker 2: way that he does, if he's not the winning cyborg
Speaker 2: that is unparalleled.
Speaker 1: Historically.
Speaker 2: Let's say Alabama has is a really good but not
Speaker 2: crazy excellent, unmatched coach. They're going to lose one year
Speaker 2: to LSU in a way that they wouldn't with Nick
Speaker 2: Saban there, They're gonna lose more often to Auburn, you know,
Speaker 2: throwing a Mississippi State loss here at the peak of
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen. You know, if Florida hires better, perhaps they
Speaker 2: lose in an SEC championship to a better Florida coach
Speaker 2: than Jim mckayin, et cetera, et cetera. This conversation has
Speaker 2: shifted to an unrealistic place because Nick Saban is an
Speaker 2: unrealistically excellent coach.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban is a big part of the reason for
Speaker 1: the conversation. I would I would disagree somewhat on the
Speaker 1: point of college football and that that feeds back into
Speaker 1: previous conversations we've had about the playoff system and what
Speaker 1: that's for. And we can say that for another day
Speaker 1: in the point of college football? Is Floyd of Rosedale? Sure?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: That's all in whit? I mean, that's that's to me.
Speaker 2: It really is, Well, Iowa Minnesota.
Speaker 1: About this at a later point in time. We could
Speaker 1: burn a whole show in this literally sure, Okay, an
Speaker 1: interesting topic, right, and sobagmail dot com, where do you
Speaker 1: want to go next?
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to but BA bah bah Bah.
Speaker 2: I like this question a lot because he has been
Speaker 2: a long, long time verballer, and we make fun of
Speaker 2: the program that he likes a lot because both of
Speaker 2: our schools play them pretty often. One fell Swoop who
Speaker 2: is now one swell.
Speaker 1: Foop against Yeah one.
Speaker 2: Most USC fans slash alumni right now are just demoralized
Speaker 2: and disgusted. How can we possibly have a positive outlook
Speaker 2: on the twenty nineteen season. So beyond that, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: just let's be hat glass half full right now.
Speaker 1: With USA, Graham Harrell was a name that people were
Speaker 1: after as well, very very true. He might not have
Speaker 1: the sex appeal of one Cliff Kingsbury. I mean that
Speaker 1: in a football sense, but you know, Cliff Kingsbury was
Speaker 1: a name. Maybe you don't, Maybe I don't. Not that
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with no. The point is, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: Graham Harrold getting Graham Harrell, I think was was a
Speaker 1: nice pick up for Clay Hilton.
Speaker 2: So in looking at USC, there's a few things to consider.
Speaker 2: How many teams in their division forget the conference because
Speaker 2: it's not a strong conference right now. How many teams
Speaker 2: in their division.
Speaker 1: Are on solid grounds, have the infrastructure to win nine games.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think Utah does Utah okay, but outside
Speaker 1: Utah it's slim pickens.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're entering the more and more of Asu
Speaker 2: and the Herm Edwards, who are interesting this year but
Speaker 2: not super consistent. Very good at home, terrible away from Tempe.
Speaker 2: Ucla was a nightmare last year. We presume good things,
Speaker 2: but we really have no way of, you know, looking
Speaker 2: at twenty nineteen and saying, oh, they're making a huge
Speaker 2: move this year. I like the quarterback, but Arizona, we'll see.
Speaker 2: They have the potential to have a dynamic quarterback, but
Speaker 2: I don't think they're on the most solid of ground
Speaker 2: with how they began twenty eighteen. Colorado has a new coach,
Speaker 2: So the hope is nobody's in a demonstrably better play Utah.
Speaker 1: And gonna other than Utah. Their quarterback's gonna get hurt
Speaker 1: three quarters away through a year, and they're gonna win
Speaker 1: nine games and no one's going to see it coming.
Speaker 1: That's Utah season.
Speaker 2: So there's something about that where if USC is just
Speaker 2: if they're frisky, and I have the schedule in front
Speaker 2: of me as well, but the North is certainly more
Speaker 2: difficult Washington State. The Huskies obviously as well, are tough.
Speaker 2: Oregon has really reinforced with a lot of talent, especially
Speaker 2: in this year's class. Stanford's always going to be tough.
Speaker 2: Cal's got a great defense, Oregon State's garbage, but usc
Speaker 2: with talent on both sides of the ball. They've got
Speaker 2: a lot of really good young linebackers. They've recruited the
Speaker 2: secondary very well. I know that they started a safety,
Speaker 2: a true freshman safety last year. I think it's Talanoa Hufunga,
Speaker 2: who was a big hitter. Their schedule is they don't
Speaker 2: play what we can consider to be a definitely winnable
Speaker 2: game until mid October, but there's not definite losses outside
Speaker 2: of the at Washington at Notre Dame. I think there's
Speaker 2: a bye week between them as well, though, So it's
Speaker 2: Fresno Stanford, they go to BYU with a promising young
Speaker 2: quarterback that is secretly very good in Zach Wilson. Utah
Speaker 2: at home at least, and then after the Washington Notre
Speaker 2: Dame thing, it's Arizona, Colorado at Colorado, Oregon at home
Speaker 2: at ASU at Cal Ucla. They're more talented than everybody
Speaker 2: on this schedule than Washington, other than perhaps Washington and
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Yeah, so in terms of they could feel
Speaker 2: a good defense, there's defensive continuity with Clancy Pendergast and
Speaker 2: a lot of talent there on offense. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if JT. Daniels was the best quarterback on their
Speaker 2: roster last year. I really like Jack Sears against ASU.
Speaker 2: But presumably everybody's taking a step forward and there's somewhat
Speaker 2: of a fresh schematic start, even if the Clay Helton
Speaker 2: era feels doomed already.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. I think that's so. Could they go
Speaker 1: nine to three and win a bowl? Sure? I don't
Speaker 1: think it's unrealistic. Sure they have challenges though, for sure
Speaker 1: they have challenges. Since we talked about j that's the
Speaker 1: glass half full. Yeah, that's the glass half full. Thank you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one swell foop, yep, don't give up. I want a
Speaker 1: dovetail from JT. Dani As though into another question that
Speaker 1: we got here from Edward. Okay, Edward a bit of
Speaker 1: a self serving question because it pertains to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: But I'm right. It talks about five star quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: he says, why is Notre Dame had so much trouble
Speaker 1: recruiting and developing a true five star quarterback under Brian Kelly.
Speaker 2: So I did a lot of research on this question.
Speaker 2: This is such a good This is like the greatest
Speaker 2: Notre Dame question. Who they just went twelve and zero
Speaker 2: and went to the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Why can't they? Exactly? But he can't they pull
Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence. He's touching a little bit of a
Speaker 1: nerve here. So I did want to address it first
Speaker 1: and foremost. We can't answer the question before we define
Speaker 1: on our own what quote a true five star quarterback
Speaker 1: really means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think he literally means like a five
Speaker 2: star twenty four to seven, like premium premium recruit turned
Speaker 2: that in like what Jimmy Clausen was right, like the
Speaker 2: no brainer Trevor Lawrence type who can come in And
Speaker 2: then obviously that's it's front and center because Notre Dame
Speaker 2: just got worked over.
Speaker 1: By that's right, that's right. So we are in agreement
Speaker 1: on what that means. So I went back on twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven and I looked at all ten recruiting
Speaker 1: classes since Brian Kelly today his first class at Notre
Speaker 1: Dame was a twenty ten class. I didn't just look
Speaker 1: at his I looked nationally to see what was going on.
Speaker 1: There have been a total of twenty one five star
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in that time period, about two to three every year.
Speaker 1: Of those twenty one kids, ten of them almost fifty
Speaker 1: percent went to SEC schools. Four of them went to
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve USC twice, I want to say UCLA
Speaker 1: and Stanford, three went to the ACC, two went to
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, one to the Big twelve. This year
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, and one did go to Notre Dame. So
Speaker 1: my first take who went to Notre Dame? Gunner keel
Speaker 1: ill remember the Gunner Killer loved it. My first takeaway
Speaker 1: is that true five star quarterbacks don't grow on trees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's how many a year, generally two to three, two
Speaker 1: to three. Yeah, So if you get one out of
Speaker 1: twenty one, I get it, that's like less than five percent.
Speaker 1: But relative to the rest of college football, that ain't bad.
Speaker 1: Aren't a lot of programs getting five star kids, a
Speaker 1: lot quite frankly of zero. So that's the first point.
Speaker 1: The second point, and I'd say, forget about Spencer Rattler,
Speaker 1: forget about bow Knicks who's going to Auburn. They're from
Speaker 1: this year's class. If you look at the other nineteen
Speaker 1: names on the list, there are at least five of
Speaker 1: them that we need to see more from. All Right,
Speaker 1: we need to see if Justin Fields can develop, if
Speaker 1: he can be a true five star, if he can
Speaker 1: showcase that on the field. We don't know. Same deal
Speaker 1: with kids like Hunter Johnson and Davis Mills. Shaye Patterson
Speaker 1: a five star kid, a transfer from Ole Miss. He's
Speaker 1: been good, I don't know if he's been I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's been transcendent. Right, we need to see
Speaker 1: more of him. And then he got other kids on
Speaker 1: this list like Kyle Allen and Max Brown and gun
Speaker 1: Or Keel who definitely did not work out. They weren't
Speaker 1: that quarterback when they got on campus. So my second
Speaker 1: point is that you've really got like a fifty percent
Speaker 1: chance of living up that label. If you pull a
Speaker 1: kid like that, it's like fifty percent. Well, so, okay,
Speaker 1: I think all of what you said is correct here.
Speaker 1: There are some other factors.
Speaker 2: One, you have to have the five star who's going
Speaker 2: to thrive at your school, who is a good mix
Speaker 2: between the players on the team, and some of them
Speaker 2: are ready to play right away, some of them need
Speaker 2: a year or two, some of them need a red shirt.
Speaker 2: Ear you need to mesh well with the offensive coaching staff,
Speaker 2: just general comfort transitioning from high school to college, and
Speaker 2: that's true of every player, but the spotlight is especially
Speaker 2: bright and the expectations are enormous for somebody who is
Speaker 2: going If you are a five star quarterback, you're going
Speaker 2: to come in and people are going to say, I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see him lead us to glory. That
Speaker 2: is what is going to be saddled on you from
Speaker 2: day one. And then you add in the Notre Dame factor.
Speaker 2: The Notre Dame factor is if you take one hundred
Speaker 2: five star quarterbacks, throw them anywhere in the country, in
Speaker 2: southern California and Florida, wherever in Texas, and then you say,
Speaker 2: how many of you want to play college in cold weather? Okay,
Speaker 2: you take out thirty eight of them, right, And then
Speaker 2: how many of you want to go to college with
Speaker 2: a ton more of a workload than the average top
Speaker 2: college football school academically?
Speaker 1: Okay, throw out another thirty of them.
Speaker 2: How many of you want to not really play in
Speaker 2: a conference with traditional rivalry games. Play some of your
Speaker 2: games out West, some of your games against Wake Forest
Speaker 2: and NC State and Clemson whatever that. You can throw
Speaker 2: out another fifteen of them. How many of you want
Speaker 2: to go to a school where you have to go
Speaker 2: to church, you have to go to mass Okay, throw
Speaker 2: out another nine of them. And it's just it's such
Speaker 2: a specific and I'm not saying any of that is bad.
Speaker 2: I'm saying to get a top kid to Notre Dame
Speaker 2: means you are dealing with a smaller pool of top kids.
Speaker 2: Whether it's because of academics, whether it's because of religion,
Speaker 2: whether it's because of location and weather, whatever. Then many
Speaker 2: other schools are offering, so the pool is already going
Speaker 2: to be smaller.
Speaker 1: And it's quite frankly, very hard to get a five
Speaker 1: star kid. Was my first relief, and everything you're saying
Speaker 1: there one hundred percent plays in. The more concerning part
Speaker 1: of this to me as a Notre Dame fan is
Speaker 1: the development angle, not the recruiting angle. Recruiting is hard,
Speaker 1: and it's even harder to get a five star kid
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. Maybe some of those are
Speaker 1: emphasized at Notre Dame, but The real question, to me
Speaker 1: has less to do with the star ratings more to
Speaker 1: do with development. Why is it Notre Dame turning kids
Speaker 1: into like Baker Mayfield and why don't we have that
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. There's no easy answer to it, and
Speaker 1: especially so because the quarterback position at Notre Dame has
Speaker 1: been somewhat cursed over the last ten years. They've had
Speaker 1: academic suspensions and the injuries, crowded depth charts. All of
Speaker 1: that complicates the matter. Tommy's who now want to be
Speaker 1: named tom That's right. A handful of different coordinators throw
Speaker 1: that in the mix as well. None of that has helped.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can point to any one
Speaker 1: thing or I will agree with Edward and then I
Speaker 1: promise we'll move on. Is that development, certainly is an
Speaker 1: open question. I've long had a bit of anxiety around
Speaker 1: the fact that from year to year does not feel
Speaker 1: like quarterbacks at Notre Dame get all that much better. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a problem.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't this isn't this the same thing anywhere? That's
Speaker 2: just not Notre Dame, where you just need that first
Speaker 2: hit and then everything sort of spirals from there. So, okay,
Speaker 2: you need that first awesome quarterback. And so with Clemson,
Speaker 2: maybe is it you know, Taj Boyd begets to shann
Speaker 2: and begets Trevor Lawrence. I want to be the next
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush, begets Joe McKnight, Michael James, begets d Anthony Thomas.
Speaker 2: You know, Percy Harvin begets champions Breed championship right where
Speaker 2: it's just like, I want to be the next blank.
Speaker 2: And if we're talking specifically about Notre Dame quarterbacks, you're saying,
Speaker 2: do I want to be the next Jimmy Clauston, Tommy Reese,
Speaker 2: Dane Christ, Sean Kaiser, Ian Book, Like, these are not
Speaker 2: names that are leading game day necessarily because they're all
Speaker 2: good in their own way to whatever extent. But how
Speaker 2: many kids are at home saying I want I need
Speaker 2: to be the next Ian Book? I don't know that
Speaker 2: there are many. And he's he's a playoff quarterback, but
Speaker 2: it's just the system that they run in the way
Speaker 2: that they play is not necessarily that. Whereas that Oklahoma
Speaker 2: you have Jason Sam Bradford.
Speaker 1: I don't know about who's the star that like, who's
Speaker 1: the star? No, no, no, I agree with what you're talking.
Speaker 1: I agree generally. I don't know if it's a system thing.
Speaker 1: I think it might not be.
Speaker 2: A system thing, but it's a star thing where you're
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, this Notre Dame has a dude at
Speaker 2: whatever position. I think that we've had it a different position.
Speaker 2: I think that can certainly be a factor.
Speaker 1: You need that first. Their offensive line, for example, has
Speaker 1: definitely a major selling point for recruits. They're doing very
Speaker 1: well along the offensive line. That can absolutely play a
Speaker 1: factor at the quarterback position. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: so much a system thing. I think it's got on
Speaker 1: some level to be a coaching thing. Because none of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks have gotten better from you to you's that's
Speaker 1: a bigger issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And I think where you see that recruiting
Speaker 2: success where this star turns into the star recruit turns
Speaker 2: into a star player, a lot of it is because
Speaker 2: of a confidence in that coaching staff to develop them
Speaker 2: into what they've been watching on TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, Joel Will Jalen Hurts be in
Speaker 1: New York City as a Heisman finalist. Good transition, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Will Oklahoma be back in the playoffs? How much improvement
Speaker 1: will Alex Grinch bring to the Oklahoma defense. So we've
Speaker 1: got three Oklahoma centric questions. We talked about it. If
Speaker 1: you miss the boat, if you've been detoxing from college football,
Speaker 1: like the rest of normal, well adjusted gentlemen and women
Speaker 1: out there, don't feel bad. Jalen Hurts transferred to Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He will be their quarterback. Presumably Oklahoma brings back a
Speaker 1: lot from last year, so it stands to reason they
Speaker 1: have a pretty good chance at the playoff. And as
Speaker 1: we illustrated on the program time and time again, the
Speaker 1: defense was a huge problem. This is a huge problem
Speaker 1: to the extent that they just stopped playing it and
Speaker 1: hope for a couple big plays per game down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Now they bring in Alex Grinch, formerly of Ohio State,
Speaker 1: formerly of Washington State. He's a guy ghast generator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he a ghost generator. Thank you. He's come in. He's
Speaker 1: made his mark in a hurry pretty much everywhere he's been.
Speaker 1: So you can pick which one of those tentacles you
Speaker 1: wish to address. Dan hurt will have every opportunity to succeed.
Speaker 1: To that point.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's on a Heisman streak, which is not a thing
Speaker 2: a lot of teams can say, so, he will have
Speaker 2: every opportunity. What was the rub on him, who had
Speaker 2: he had a very successful career at Alabama. The rub
Speaker 2: on him was tentative going downfield. Yes, you know, he
Speaker 2: didn't make he didn't want to make mistakes, which is
Speaker 2: amazing and it's incredible. I remember it was two years
Speaker 2: ago when he did start against it was I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was conference teams or ranked teams or
Speaker 2: teams with a winning record.
Speaker 1: It was something like.
Speaker 2: Twelve touchdowns to zero or one interception, something incredibly impressive.
Speaker 2: But at Oklahoma that quarterback position, he is not going
Speaker 2: to be able to lean on the defense for field
Speaker 2: position and stops. He will be able to lean on
Speaker 2: the running game with a couple of promising young running backs,
Speaker 2: but he will have every opportunity. They're bringing in just
Speaker 2: a ridiculous and unfair class of receivers. Now they return
Speaker 2: some talent there. I know they lose, you know, Hollywood
Speaker 2: Brown is gone, but he will have every opportunity to
Speaker 2: do so. I think three in a row is too many.
Speaker 2: I just I can't imagine that because it is difficult
Speaker 2: as a grad transfer to come in. And we have
Speaker 2: another question about this that a lot of times, grad
Speaker 2: transfers exist because they're beaten out, and they're beaten out
Speaker 2: for a reason in most cases, a clear weakness, whether
Speaker 2: it's a new coach coming in with a different system,
Speaker 2: whether it's just a new quarterback coming in who's better.
Speaker 2: But it's it's very rare that we see excellent quarterbacks
Speaker 2: transfer and thrive if they're beaten out, like Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: obviously did, Gardner Minshew did for scheme reasons. For an
Speaker 2: Adams thrived, but he was not beaten out at Eastern Washington.
Speaker 2: We've seen it happen, sure, but there's also that element of, oh,
Speaker 2: he has a very specific weakness and they found somebody
Speaker 2: who doesn't and he's gone.
Speaker 1: Now. It's an incredible move though for Lincoln Riley, just
Speaker 1: on our front for a number of reasons, but on
Speaker 1: this front in particular, they're bringing in a true five
Speaker 1: star quarterback that presumably will develop under the tutelage of
Speaker 1: mister Riley. Jalen Hurts as a quarterback who obviously is
Speaker 1: proven to some extent will on some high level college
Speaker 1: football games, got Alabama to a national championship, played half
Speaker 1: of that national championship terribly. Programs don't generally work out
Speaker 1: on offense when you're jumping from flame to flame or
Speaker 1: bringing in quarterback transfers every year and you basically have
Speaker 1: to reboot. Even Kyler Murray, though he was a transfer,
Speaker 1: had a year in that system correct to learn, while
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield coining his Heisman Trophy. So my point here
Speaker 1: is this gives Lincoln Riley that bridge where he can
Speaker 1: bring in someone with experience, maybe not experience with the program,
Speaker 1: but they can build experience now with their youngin and
Speaker 1: presumably hit the ground running them in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be fine. I think he will be
Speaker 2: a top fifteen or twenty quarterback in the country, but
Speaker 2: it's difficult for me to see him in a way
Speaker 2: that he couldn't at Alabama, where he had a lot
Speaker 2: of opportunity to there as well.
Speaker 1: You could take any quarterback in the country against their
Speaker 1: chances for the Heisman Trophy, and the odds will ever
Speaker 1: be in a favor because it is such a hard
Speaker 1: thing to win. There's so many variables. One other thing
Speaker 1: that works in Jalen Hurts' favor here is the fact
Speaker 1: that we saw Lincoln Riley adapt his offense on the
Speaker 1: fly last year as some injuries happened, as he kind
Speaker 1: of learned his personnel and he did a masterful job
Speaker 1: of that. So if he can tailor a system to
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts his skill set, that would seemingly bode pretty
Speaker 1: well for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And John asked a question along these lines that
Speaker 2: we won't go too deep into. Why does somebody like
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson or Gardner Minshew succeed and others like Malik
Speaker 2: Zayer and the Zayhara and Max Brown not succeed as
Speaker 2: much as grad transfer quarterbacks As a coaching scheme, personalities,
Speaker 2: can these factors help us predict the potential for success
Speaker 2: for the twenty nineteen quarterback transfers, of which we.
Speaker 1: Have a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say sticking with grad transfer, you are
Speaker 2: coming in either with one or sometimes you know, like
Speaker 2: we've seen a couple of times a couple of years
Speaker 2: to play and it just not work out. And I
Speaker 2: think a lot of that is one you got beaten out.
Speaker 2: You might be just a really good backup quarterback at
Speaker 2: a top power five place and that's fine. Or two
Speaker 2: you don't have much time to make an impression and
Speaker 2: build a rapport and learn the offense and build confidence
Speaker 2: with those around you. And sometimes it's just a bad fit.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you are just you know, supposed to be playing
Speaker 2: at William and Mary, Bill and Mary. Sometimes you should
Speaker 2: just be playing at an FCS school or a lower
Speaker 2: level Power five school and a school for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: maybe like Florida State this year doesn't have the bodies,
Speaker 2: and there's like we need to grab somebody, and then
Speaker 2: you talk yourself into like I did with what was
Speaker 2: his name was? It was pre Cop, Yeah, Dakota prew Cop. Yes,
Speaker 2: he had the flat footed whatever. He was fine, but
Speaker 2: nothing special and they ran out like you mentioned, jumping
Speaker 2: flame to flame, as Oregon was doing with grid transfer quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: You need to find somebody who is who did well
Speaker 2: enough at their place, like Russell Wilson did at NC
Speaker 2: State and for whatever reason, disagreement over baseball, disagreement over scheme,
Speaker 2: like Gardner Minshew committed to ECU because he thought he
Speaker 2: would be playing for Lincoln Riley. He was an air
Speaker 2: aid guy like oh no, no, not a oh okay.
Speaker 2: Went to Mike Leach in Washington State, much better fit
Speaker 2: and had the personality to build Obviously a huge personality.
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to play with him, and he backed it
Speaker 2: up with his arm. And I just think that elixir
Speaker 2: is pretty rare to find.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard unless you're quite frankly a guy with
Speaker 1: a high profile like a Jalen Hurts because oftentimes these
Speaker 1: are kids just looking for a place to play, and
Speaker 1: that might define my top priority over the scheme and
Speaker 1: the fit and all the things that I think we
Speaker 1: know now are more important when it comes to having
Speaker 1: success versus otherwise. Somebody had sent us numbers way back
Speaker 1: when on success. However they defined it among grad transfer quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: it's actually quite low. There was a piece wed in
Speaker 1: the Athletic I believe it was Max Olsen or Gosh
Speaker 1: I forget who wrote something like that, but continue, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there are far more Maligue's a errors and
Speaker 1: Max Brown's and the Russell Wilson's and Gardner Minshew's out there.
Speaker 1: It takes time. I think that's like the reality.
Speaker 2: It's about trust, babe, it's about tous but it's also
Speaker 2: you're not going to fight like Vernon Adams was a
Speaker 2: case where he had success against PAC twelve, PAC ten
Speaker 2: teams whatever it was back then. Pack twelve teams at
Speaker 2: Eastern Washington. He had that track record, there were data points.
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, he is dominating these defenses, and in
Speaker 2: other situations we don't have those data points. You need
Speaker 2: the time, you need the reps. And there's just everybody
Speaker 2: wants their grad transfer QB to come in like a
Speaker 2: Lou Williams or Eddie House. If you're talking about like NBA,
Speaker 2: those guys who just come in and pop some threes
Speaker 2: and go back to the bench. I don't think that
Speaker 2: is no all that easy to find it all with
Speaker 2: such a difficult position.
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Speaker 1: know what is the most obscure penalty you guys have
Speaker 1: witnessed in all your years of watching college football. Mine
Speaker 1: was an.
Speaker 2: Illegal forward kick obscure penalty? Okay, so recently I have two? Okay, recently,
Speaker 2: I love the double forward pass penalty and the cheese
Speaker 2: at Bowl, an unbelievable attempt, not only a double pass,
Speaker 2: but throwing two forward passes on one play. It was magic.
Speaker 2: And then how do you not? I mean, even though
Speaker 2: the penalty itself is common, I forget if it was
Speaker 2: a personal foul or a block in the back. But
Speaker 2: Ron Cherry two thousand and seven, six seven somewhere there
Speaker 2: it was Maryland n C State. It was I think
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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know if this is obscure
Speaker 1: the way that it feels like it's obscure to me.
Speaker 1: But I just have a problem with the leaping penalty.
Speaker 2: Okay, why because it's an athletic move that I feel
Speaker 2: like you should be able to do.
Speaker 1: It, like someone's gonna try and kick a field goal
Speaker 1: or an extra point. And if if you can jump
Speaker 1: up on someone's back or I don't know, if you
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Speaker 1: front of it and knock it down, that seems like
Speaker 1: that should be legal to me. I just read the
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Speaker 1: coaching and or football coaching. And his football career ended.
Speaker 1: He was a backup center, and his coach at Wesleyan,
Speaker 1: I want to say, is where he played devised the
Speaker 1: perfect not at all. Blocking strategy for kicks Basically, the
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Speaker 1: It was so so ugly and bad. So it's a
Speaker 1: safety thing, is what I'm trying to tell you. With
Speaker 1: the leaping in the centers and everything. I get it,
Speaker 1: I get, but it just, you know, feels like it's
Speaker 1: something you should be able to do block a kick.
Speaker 2: I understand, I'm with you, And I love a good kick.
Speaker 2: I love a good extra point block because it's such
Speaker 2: a routine thing to have an extra point through the
Speaker 2: uprights and then oh what huh what six?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what that's great. Next question, somebody asked
Speaker 2: us about the most disrespected by sports media teams.
Speaker 1: Oh, do you have any answers?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's what does that actually mean, Like accomplishments
Speaker 2: aren't acknowledged, I guess, or people just don't like their
Speaker 2: fans online and so they like making fun of them,
Speaker 2: like Florida State and Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Most disrespected. Michigan State obviously is the right joke has
Speaker 1: to be for their disrespect. I would say very generally
Speaker 1: that teams in far off places like Washington State who
Speaker 1: are consistently winning, are consistently winning inadvertently fall into this category.
Speaker 1: More often than not.
Speaker 2: People still disrespect the Colgate defense. That's call Schaffner threw
Speaker 2: together with chicken, wire and heart.
Speaker 1: That's my answer for FCS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what it is. The place is
Speaker 2: that I don't think what can we do? We can
Speaker 2: only talk about it so much. We do two shows
Speaker 2: a week during the season. But there are certain teams
Speaker 2: where it is just harder to win. There and coaches
Speaker 2: who are able to you know, Utah making the leap
Speaker 2: from a Mountain West school, even though they did so
Speaker 2: you know, gradually, and they built up and they started
Speaker 2: dominating the Mountain West and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: They did it right.
Speaker 2: But Utah winning consistently with Kyle Whittingham I think we
Speaker 2: just sort of accept and don't really appreciate, perhaps as
Speaker 2: much as we should.
Speaker 1: Washington State.
Speaker 2: It's a good answer what Iowa State has done in
Speaker 2: winning and becoming a consistent bowl team and beating some giants.
Speaker 2: I think Northwestern, you know what they've done with It's
Speaker 2: more difficult to win there. For a long time. They
Speaker 2: had bad facilities.
Speaker 1: I know they.
Speaker 2: Recently upgraded them. I think what Virginia has done with
Speaker 2: Bronco Mendenhall. I don't think they're disrespected, but it's impressive,
Speaker 2: nonetheless to win at these places that just don't have
Speaker 2: the resources. Not that again, Virginia has plenty. Virginia is fine.
Speaker 2: So those are the teams I think that are winning
Speaker 2: and going to bowls consistently, like where Purdue came from,
Speaker 2: where they were with Daryl Hazel to where they are now.
Speaker 1: With Jeff Brohm.
Speaker 2: I don't think people are disrespecting them, but I think
Speaker 2: it should be pointed out that they have steeper climbs
Speaker 2: than most and are doing so anyway.
Speaker 1: They're getting to the top for them all right, Before
Speaker 1: we get to some life questions here, First time, long
Speaker 1: time from mort in Columbus. He says do you find
Speaker 1: the off field drama, the TV contracts, the conference realignment,
Speaker 1: recruiting flips and other oddities the off field stuff as
Speaker 1: boring in tedious as I do. For me, it's mostly
Speaker 1: a reminder that I'm not watching actual football. Dam what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Right? For most people, for most teams, right,
Speaker 1: if the math checks out, you get twelve days out
Speaker 1: of three sixty five. And this has just become a
Speaker 1: thing in sports. I mean, how much when you pay
Speaker 1: attention to.
Speaker 2: ESPN or Fox or SI or any of these big places,
Speaker 2: how much of the NBA headlines are about, oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: Chris Middleston, Chris Middleton, excuse me, twenty two to ten?
Speaker 2: Or how much is ooh, johannest is thinking about drafting
Speaker 2: Steph Curry number one in the All Star Oh, Anthony.
Speaker 1: Davis has requested to trade. This is everywhere.
Speaker 2: This is the NFL has created a year long thing.
Speaker 2: The NBA is a year long thing. And this is
Speaker 2: college football. With college football does not sell winning. College
Speaker 2: football to me sells hope. College Ball's in the hope business.
Speaker 2: And that's recruiting and new coaches and spring practice and
Speaker 2: fall camp and ooh, this guy beat out this guy
Speaker 2: for a week side linebacker. That's what is being sold
Speaker 2: more than anything right or wrong. Sure, and so I
Speaker 2: understand missing actual football, and I think this is a
Speaker 2: very good time to work on other parts of your
Speaker 2: life if you don't like the drama and the mundane. Oh,
Speaker 2: the SEC brought in forty four million dollars because of
Speaker 2: their TV deal compared to thirty one for the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: It's fine if you don't like it. Ultimately, it's kind
Speaker 2: of inconsequential. Sure, go get your mile time up. And
Speaker 2: he actually said, how do I learn to cook Mexican food?
Speaker 2: Let's make you a Mexican chef this spring.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing I'd add moret thank you for
Speaker 1: writing and thank you for listening for a long time.
Speaker 1: We're not the best people to ask on this topic,
Speaker 1: because we do. We trained in this. We require to
Speaker 1: be news on TV contracts and conference realignment, recruiting flips,
Speaker 1: all the arrests, the things that maybe don't truly matter
Speaker 1: in the scheme of football. We require that stuff in
Speaker 1: order to do a year round show. So inevitably, Dan
Speaker 1: and I are a little bit more interested in than
Speaker 1: maybe some of your other buddies who are into college football.
Speaker 2: We still make up fake fantasy drafts, do We still
Speaker 2: do brackets for things that are secretly garbage that people
Speaker 2: seem to like but are actually garbage, and so we
Speaker 2: at least try to cause Yeah. I think he's right.
Speaker 2: I think the off field drama is ephemeral. It disappears.
Speaker 2: It ultimately is not going to mean much unless it's
Speaker 2: a star player or a great coach and something, unless
Speaker 2: it turns your program upside down. So I'm okay with
Speaker 2: you checking out. Just throw us the download. That's all
Speaker 2: I'm here to say. Throw us the download, and then
Speaker 2: go listen to whatever your mom's house.
Speaker 1: Sam says when in the dating process, should we have a.
Speaker 2: Should we have like a sound as we now transition
Speaker 2: away from college football?
Speaker 1: After somebody said.
Speaker 2: He finds it tedious when we transition, not we, but
Speaker 2: as America transitions. So here we go the college football world.
Speaker 1: Okay, the first thing I had at the ready, the
Speaker 1: college football portion of this show has basically concluded. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say that with absolution, but I think
Speaker 1: it has concluded. Yeah, play the dramatics. Sound the lights
Speaker 1: are coming down. Now we're going to talk a little life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks my life. Sam says when in the dating process,
Speaker 1: for which date number is Chili's an acceptable date? Okay,
Speaker 1: some would say the first date. I say the third
Speaker 1: because the first and second should be unique and the
Speaker 1: third should be Let's do something common together to see
Speaker 1: how much we actually enjoy each other's company, minus the
Speaker 1: nice dinners or fancy barstand Chili's, I would. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna surmise here, where was your first date with solid
Speaker 1: wife Kate?
Speaker 2: I believe read Robin. Yeah, so that's that's a Chili's cousin.
Speaker 2: So you can speak to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe you probably have a hotter take on
Speaker 1: this matter than I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't want to be a cidyist, regionist
Speaker 2: geographist because I've I've grew up in the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: area and I live in New York. So I'm not
Speaker 2: going to tell you not to eat it Chili's because
Speaker 2: Chiliess is fine. I'm going to say one Chili's is
Speaker 2: not super impressive. If you have a comparable local option,
Speaker 2: keep that money in your neighborhood, you know, instead of
Speaker 2: eating good in the neighborhood. What is that Applebee's, Apple,
Speaker 2: that's Applebee's. If there is a chili's like Burger beer
Speaker 2: bar that is good and cool and interesting, maybe with
Speaker 2: an outside eating option. If it's that, if it's appropriate
Speaker 2: for that time of year, I would I would avoid
Speaker 2: chili's as long as possible, unless it's particularly convenient, like
Speaker 2: you're starving when you get out of a movie and other's.
Speaker 1: A chili And that was the deal with Red Rock.
Speaker 1: It's nothing, absolutely nothing wrong right next to the movie theater.
Speaker 2: But this is what you have to keep in mind.
Speaker 2: You're trying to impress your date right first date. You're
Speaker 2: trying to not necessarily impressed her like Ooh, I'm I
Speaker 2: have a ton of money and I'm charming and suave.
Speaker 2: You want to impress her by saying I'm not creepy
Speaker 2: and weird. That's the biggest priority. It doesn't matter where
Speaker 2: you eat. If you eat it Chili's, you eat it, Chili's.
Speaker 2: Who cares. So if you want it to be date one,
Speaker 2: that's fine. I would try to get more creative with
Speaker 2: it or more local with it. I would say Date one,
Speaker 2: I'm not creepy and weird. Date two, let me confirm
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not creepy and weird. That's what's most important.
Speaker 2: The food doesn't matter as much.
Speaker 1: Date three.
Speaker 2: I would say, once you've confirmed that you're not creepy
Speaker 2: and weird, I think you should make a push. Doesn't
Speaker 2: have to happen. Maybe cook for your date. Okay, I
Speaker 2: think that's that's an interesting It shows.
Speaker 1: You're anti chili. Is what you're telling is not anti chili,
Speaker 1: anti chili. Do you can admit it?
Speaker 2: Well, what I will say is you can admit it
Speaker 2: as much as Chili's it's chiliess is okay, it's not bad,
Speaker 2: It's not great, but it's fine, great corn on the cup.
Speaker 2: As much as they try, Chili's is never going to
Speaker 2: be able to replicate a really good local place that
Speaker 2: has character, that has regulars whatever. Even if even if
Speaker 2: the food isn't as good, there's something about the energy
Speaker 2: of a good local place that you lose by going
Speaker 2: to a national chain.
Speaker 1: Is that fair? Absolutely fair? Oh? Absolutely fair? So I
Speaker 1: would I would have. I would avoid the corporate energy
Speaker 1: as long as possible. It's convenient. The red robin thing
Speaker 1: for me was super convenient. That's why we went there. Right.
Speaker 1: That's again, you are a Red Robin's success story. That's right, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I would also, if it's convenient, go, But if you
Speaker 2: have the choice, opt local.
Speaker 1: You also may be able to accentuate your personality a
Speaker 1: bit if you could sort of play off the whole
Speaker 1: Chilis thing and turn it into an inside joke, that
Speaker 1: could have some less Yeah, all right, that can make
Speaker 1: for a fun date. But generally, I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Do you think the longer you can push it off
Speaker 1: the better? Do you think Sam is asked us this question?
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a man, woman, whatever,
Speaker 1: but do you think Sam is asking us this question
Speaker 1: because he's into Somebody doesn't want to be embarrassed if
Speaker 1: they have, if they have like snooty tastes or whatever.
Speaker 1: But Sam effin loves chi Chili's is his wheelsouse fudge.
Speaker 1: I need those rims.
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't want to be embarrassed that he loves
Speaker 2: it so much, Like he's Sam is just all about chili.
Speaker 1: He sent this in from a Chili's.
Speaker 2: Right this This is written by Samuel L. Chili, founder
Speaker 2: of Chili's. I think it's I think it's acceptable whenever
Speaker 2: just you want, you want that non corporate energy to
Speaker 2: last as long as possible.
Speaker 1: You got to be aware of the fact that you're
Speaker 1: at a Chili's, I think, is what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: while you're there. Okay, good question, by the way. Okay, next,
Speaker 1: uh Bo writes in as someone who brews beer for
Speaker 1: a living, shout out Druid City Brewing. I listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of music other than American football. What other
Speaker 1: Midwest emo should I brew to here in Tuscaloosa? Also
Speaker 1: any chalkboard ideas? Wow, we were on the Druid City Chalkboard.
Speaker 2: We were not earlier, that famous famous chalkboard. A lot
Speaker 2: of college football related drawing, which.
Speaker 1: Was like a huge deal. We were very excited about that.
Speaker 1: On the Secret cellverble g Chi Honor. Okay, Midwestern emo bands, ty,
Speaker 1: do you have I have suggestions? Do you know you
Speaker 1: get to go first on emo? You know that? All right?
Speaker 2: So if you're going authentically Midwestern emo, probably cap and Jazz.
Speaker 2: They've been around forever. They're a Midwestern pioneer on the
Speaker 2: emo scene. I love There's a band I don't even
Speaker 2: know if they exist anymore. There's a band called Spittlefield
Speaker 2: from Chicago album Remember Right Now Great from like early
Speaker 2: two thousands, promised Ring Classic. They're from Milwaukee if we
Speaker 2: consider Lawrence, Kansas to be Midwest, which I think is
Speaker 2: probably planes but midwest to Jason, obviously, you've got your
Speaker 2: Get Up Kids Alkaline Trios from Chicago, and I'll give
Speaker 2: them a bonus. Nowhere near the Midwest, but I think
Speaker 2: it would. I think it would work for brewing beer.
Speaker 2: There's a band from Orange County. Also, don't think they
Speaker 2: exist anymore. Shows how old we are called lim Beck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, l imb We talked about them on the show.
Speaker 2: We absolutely have talked about limb Beck. I think lim
Speaker 2: Beck would be great. I think the album is Hi,
Speaker 2: Everything's great or Hey, everything's fine. There's two of them
Speaker 2: that are like there's like an acoustic version that has
Speaker 2: one of them's great, one of them's fine.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: That would be my recommendation. My gap and jazz outline,
Speaker 2: Treio Get Up Kids promised Rings Middlefield bonus.
Speaker 1: Limb Beck. My thing was more pop punk, and so
Speaker 1: so you'll say, like, okay, early Fallout Boy. They're from Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, certainly early all American rejects from Stillwater, Oklahoma. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That also that's the get Up kids planes corollary, but yeah, yes, okay, what.
Speaker 1: Is the most emo team in the SEC? And I
Speaker 1: hate I don't.
Speaker 2: Generally like these questions emo. Huh so the most emo
Speaker 2: team in the SEC? This from Andy? And why is
Speaker 2: it South Carolina? I think we need to define broadly
Speaker 2: how we're approaching this, sort of like a little bit
Speaker 2: of self loathing doesn't really fit in, doesn't really fit in?
Speaker 2: Got some heartbreak, a lot of heartbreak, violent imagery, violent imagery.
Speaker 2: There's like an underground element to to emo. Wear your
Speaker 2: emotions out for everybody to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm thinking of a couple teams here. South Carolina works,
Speaker 1: South Carolin pretty well. Why does South Carolina work? To you? So?
Speaker 1: South Carolina? I believe?
Speaker 2: Were they the most recent team to join the SEC
Speaker 2: before ya Zoo and A and M. It is correct,
Speaker 2: So they're like the new kid trying to fit in.
Speaker 2: That's a definite theme, wearing their emotions for everybody to see. Well,
Speaker 2: must champ check. Yep, heartbreak played a lot of close
Speaker 2: games this year. Yep check violent imagery again, must champ.
Speaker 2: There's the underground elements. I don't know if that fully fits,
Speaker 2: but they play Sandstorm and that feels like it also
Speaker 2: was a hit during when Emo was turned the time
Speaker 2: EMO really soword, so that feels right. I think South
Speaker 2: Carolina is a good answer. I would also say Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: Mississippi State is one that comes to mind. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say Missouri. Missouri might be the easy answer, the
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit because they're one of the newer kids
Speaker 1: on the block. But the one thing that comes to
Speaker 1: mind for me, and this is just on a personal level,
Speaker 1: but when I'm putting in tags on some of the
Speaker 1: SEC shows that we do, and I have to tag
Speaker 1: a posting with all of the team names in the SEC,
Speaker 1: inevitably I forget about Missouri because in my mind, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird mental block. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Missouri does not feel like they're part of the southeast
Speaker 1: part of the United States. That's like, I mean, neither
Speaker 1: does Houston Station. Absolutely, and I forget them too, But
Speaker 1: more often than not, Missouri is the team I forget
Speaker 1: because they just don't feel like they be and they're
Speaker 1: in the East and certainly it's not as high profile
Speaker 1: as the West. That's fine. Emotion. Barry Otam had that
Speaker 1: emotional tirade. What was it a year ago? That's true, Okay,
Speaker 1: some heartbreak. We've watched the offense. We've watched the defense
Speaker 1: at times like each has had their own trials and tribulations.
Speaker 1: The twenty fifteen offense down and out in a bad place.
Speaker 1: So I think Missouri might be low hanging fruit. But
Speaker 1: that's probably my answer.
Speaker 2: I have Mississippi State here just because of the feeling
Speaker 2: alienated in a way, Starkville is a little bit different
Speaker 2: than the rest of the SEC in terms of geography
Speaker 2: and attitude, not a good or bad way, They're just different.
Speaker 2: And then there is the element of that emo or
Speaker 2: scream o singer whatever holding the mic over the crowd,
Speaker 2: and you get that loud feedback from the crowd yelling
Speaker 2: the lyrics, and there's that cowbell elements where you're getting
Speaker 2: that audience participation, like you go into a dashboard show,
Speaker 2: you go to whatever show, and you have that roar
Speaker 2: from the crowd, And I think Mississippi State fits. That
Speaker 2: next question comes to us, Hmmm, this I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw to you. I have an answer, but I
Speaker 2: know you're gonna feel more passionately about this because you
Speaker 2: are you will drop me as soon as the Weather
Speaker 2: channel comes calling.
Speaker 1: That's right. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were saying we want you to be
Speaker 2: Cantory two point zero, you will change your phone number
Speaker 2: and block me. You have endless money, Curtis asks and
Speaker 2: a time and the time for one whole year, and
Speaker 2: you can chase storms anywhere. Top five types of weather
Speaker 2: events you'd want to witness in person? Wow, so this
Speaker 2: isn't I guess it's chasing, but it's also you just
Speaker 2: want to be present to see what it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, see I feel very guilty answering this
Speaker 1: question because the kinds of things that I'd like to
Speaker 1: see probably result in hardship for a lot of people. Okay,
Speaker 1: many of whom listen to the show, so asterisk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to champion any of.
Speaker 2: These How many of these things would you like to
Speaker 2: see in a remote place with nobody living, so nobody
Speaker 2: is going to be physically affected by this crazy storm.
Speaker 2: You are able to go see it in a in
Speaker 2: a barren wasteland or an uninhabited place.
Speaker 1: A tornado would be cool on a dessert, and it
Speaker 1: would be cool Tornia. There are people who do this
Speaker 1: for a living a tourney.
Speaker 2: Do you ever see those like tankers that the storm
Speaker 2: chasers are in that way up bajillion pounds.
Speaker 1: They're like tanks, man, they are they are basically tanks.
Speaker 1: Have you been in a white out? I've been in
Speaker 1: a white out? Yeah, I've been in a white out.
Speaker 1: How is a white out? It's crazy, it's all white,
Speaker 1: it's wild. I never really have.
Speaker 2: I've been snowed in, and that's that's blizzard conditions. But
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been able to stand outside
Speaker 2: and not see anything in front.
Speaker 1: Of like my hands.
Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever been on a mountain?
Speaker 2: I would love to be adjacent to an avalanche, But
Speaker 2: is that a weather event? That's not a wall not.
Speaker 2: It's a weather event in that you need a lot
Speaker 2: of snow. But then conditions change, obviously on the mountains,
Speaker 2: so it's like in the same vein as storm surge
Speaker 2: at a hurricane. It's like a result of another phenomenon.
Speaker 1: If I could be in a dope cabin on an
Speaker 1: adjacent mountain and just be sipping coffee watching an avalanche
Speaker 1: affect no human life, I'd be a hell of a
Speaker 1: morning along the same lines. What about a good mud slide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that is. It is technically a storm
Speaker 2: and weather event. It's the after effects. I They're not
Speaker 2: as great, They're not as fun. There's a rumble to
Speaker 2: an avalanche that I don't feel like you get with mudslides.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, ty, and I've experienced it, probably
Speaker 2: not on the level that you know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's an Oklahoma or Texas whoever gets it most violently.
Speaker 2: There's something about hale. Oh yeah, hale does it for me.
Speaker 2: I'm not a spiritual person. I'm not a religious person.
Speaker 2: Rain is rain, snow is snow. Hale feels biblical. There
Speaker 2: is something about hale where like, oh, somebody is upset
Speaker 2: up there about something, and there is something beautifully violent
Speaker 2: about hail as long as it's not affecting you know,
Speaker 2: people or property in significant ways. I react in a
Speaker 2: very visceral way to hale and like being in a
Speaker 2: crazy hailstorm.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It kind of does it for me.
Speaker 1: I thought of my answer. The answer isn't so much
Speaker 1: a tornado. It's a water spout. What is what? It's
Speaker 1: a tornado over water? A close cousin of the fire
Speaker 1: spout or fire whirl. Maybe it's called which is a
Speaker 1: tornado over Like, what was it that you just sent me?
Speaker 1: That something under Chicago? Yeh oh my gosh. So that's
Speaker 1: when the fault lines fill with water and freezer or something.
Speaker 1: That's when water in the ground freezes and it causes
Speaker 1: causes a reaction in the ground and it makes the
Speaker 1: plates a boom. Yeah, tectonics. Love tech. There are also
Speaker 1: some crazy like cloud formations that arise that I might
Speaker 1: like to see. But my number one answer is a
Speaker 1: water spout. That's a good answer. I like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think here, let's go. There's two more questions than
Speaker 1: I guess. We'll talk personal stuff. Do you feel compelled
Speaker 1: to like love slash retweet your significant other social media posts?
Speaker 1: Ryan wants to know. Yes, So your wife is on Twitter.
Speaker 1: She is yeah, good tweeter. I say that I follow her,
Speaker 1: I enjoy her tweet. She will love to hear that
Speaker 1: thank you dance for good Twitter.
Speaker 2: My wife is not on Twitter. She posts on Instagram
Speaker 2: maybe once a year and wants nothing to do with
Speaker 2: social media. But I understand that there's there are pressures
Speaker 2: that come along with it, and to that, I say,
Speaker 2: delete all of your social media accounts. It's not doing
Speaker 2: you any good. You can follow us on Twitter and
Speaker 2: that's it. It's rough out there man, social media. Like
Speaker 2: I've had people say to me, did you see this picture?
Speaker 2: I've seen media people post things like I see you
Speaker 2: out there watching my Instagram stories but not liking my
Speaker 2: posts smart, interesting, funny. People get their brain warped because
Speaker 2: of like some comments and like, it's insane what it
Speaker 2: does to people.
Speaker 1: And you feel that. No, I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: need that, but I feel compelled to like solid wife
Speaker 1: Kate's tweets. Yes, sure, I feel I feel compelled to.
Speaker 1: As for me personally, I could take it or leave it.
Speaker 1: I don't really need it. Do you have do you
Speaker 1: have Instagram? I don't even know if you have a
Speaker 1: personal Instagram. I have personal Instagram. I don't use it
Speaker 1: because my pictures are terrible. I take terrible photos. I'm
Speaker 1: not good. I also can't see color. I can't. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a bad medium for me personally
Speaker 1: to promote my brand. Right. I enjoy other content on
Speaker 1: Instagram very much, but I'm looking your inside. My last
Speaker 1: posting was like many moons ago. This is a pretty
Speaker 1: good picture. November. You got some snow. Yeah, but look
Speaker 1: at the other ones. There's nothing of any real merit
Speaker 1: on there. Dan, you posted a picture of goldfish we
Speaker 1: were in Chicago, a pumpkin pie. Oh yeah, no, your
Speaker 1: your grid is now I haven't posted and over it
Speaker 1: like I have a funny picture hear of a misused
Speaker 1: comma where it's said Rachel Ray finds inspiration in cooking
Speaker 1: her family and her dog. I like, yeah, that is good.
Speaker 1: I've seen that picture.
Speaker 2: I like the stories though, because they disappear, like here's
Speaker 2: a little here's a little nugget, and then you can
Speaker 2: just move on with your life and the world will
Speaker 2: never see it again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonnat like a thousand follows now and everyone will
Speaker 1: be sort of.
Speaker 2: Follow Ty hilden Brant t U Y H I, L
Speaker 2: D E N B R and Y two got it first,
Speaker 2: You locked it up. You locked up the Tay hilden
Speaker 2: Brant name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just to circle back. I yeah, I do
Speaker 1: feel compelled to like it is weird, solid wife ks content.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: It's when when people in real life say things like,
Speaker 2: huh did you uh see the picture?
Speaker 1: I pose it. Yeah, I'll tell you my problem on Facebook.
Speaker 1: My problem on Facebook is I've hidden most of the
Speaker 1: people I am friends with. It's the move. I've hidden
Speaker 1: most of the people, and it's really come back to
Speaker 1: bite me in the butt because I've had friends who
Speaker 1: have literally had kids, other big time life events have
Speaker 1: occurred to them, and I've totally been in the dark.
Speaker 1: I can see that, and that's fine. It's your life
Speaker 1: kept on going, didn't it. Anyway? Moving on final question,
Speaker 1: I really hope this isn't real. Okay, Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Suspect it might be. I would say there's a sixty
Speaker 2: one percent chance it's real. That's the number I'm putting it. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: This came to us, I believe on Reddit my girlfriend
Speaker 2: of about four and a half years now and one
Speaker 2: of my best friends since elementary school. So those are
Speaker 2: two different people drunkenly made out at a pool party
Speaker 2: around two years ago, who I just found out because
Speaker 2: she says it means nothing to them and they didn't
Speaker 2: want to hurt me. Oh boy, I'm really not sure
Speaker 2: how to react. I'm kind of in shock. Any thoughts, advice?
Speaker 2: It might be it might be a made up thing
Speaker 2: just to get us talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, but there's a chance it isn't.
Speaker 1: There's a chance we've got overballer out there in neat
Speaker 1: and pain correct. I was thinking about this question for
Speaker 1: the moment it dropped on the Reddit feed. The part
Speaker 1: that jumps out at me that I take issue the
Speaker 1: most issue with is just finding out because it meant
Speaker 1: nothing and they didn't want to hurt you. If they
Speaker 1: didn't want to hurt you, they wouldn't have done it
Speaker 1: in the first place. So that part I have a
Speaker 1: real beef with that statement there that I think above
Speaker 1: all else is what would stick in my craw the most.
Speaker 1: Presumably this happens two and a half years into a relationship.
Speaker 1: Two and a half years. Yeah, that's a long time, right,
Speaker 1: It seems like that's a long time in.
Speaker 2: And I'd say it's different, but not necessarily too different.
Speaker 2: If this is a twenty one year old doing this
Speaker 2: versus a thirty one year old doing this, hard to no,
Speaker 2: are we don't have age background, no nothing. Twenty one
Speaker 2: year old much more likely to do something immature and
Speaker 2: hurtful than a thirty one year old in my experience.
Speaker 2: The fact that you drunkenly do this. And I've had
Speaker 2: friends who have cheated been cheated on, and they work
Speaker 2: it out and they get married and they're presumably happy,
Speaker 2: but you never really know, So it's a different situation.
Speaker 2: For however anybody wants to feel, that's fine, But I
Speaker 2: can only speak for myself. It seems like it'd be
Speaker 2: hard to trust this person, yes, keeping something, because it's
Speaker 2: not just keeping something from you for two years, it's
Speaker 2: lying to you for two years. It's lying by omission.
Speaker 2: So you're lying for two years. And it's not like
Speaker 2: they just said, yep, I was at this random party
Speaker 2: and made out with this random dude.
Speaker 1: It's like Jody with and eye saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of years ago made out with camera
Speaker 2: guy Dave. What sorry meant to tell you? Of all
Speaker 2: the people, Yeah, it'd be tough for me, and you
Speaker 2: have to evaluate it for yourself. But trust is a
Speaker 2: super difficult thing to restore, and I find I would
Speaker 2: be in a place where I would be looking for
Speaker 2: somebody that potentially wouldn't lie to me for two years
Speaker 2: about making out with a friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to tell this gentleman
Speaker 1: what to do because we don't have the full context here.
Speaker 2: Because if you're if you're a loyal person, I know,
Speaker 2: if fidelity is something that's important to you, you should
Speaker 2: be with somebody. This is me saying speaking for myself
Speaker 2: that feels the same way.
Speaker 1: I agree with all of that. I just would feel
Speaker 1: very guilty about trying to give advice here without the
Speaker 1: full context because exactly right, life is very complicated and
Speaker 1: painted in shades of gray, not black and white. So
Speaker 1: and if this, if this person is crazy important to
Speaker 1: you and you want to work it out, attempt to
Speaker 1: speak to a professional together and try to get to
Speaker 1: the root and try to build a new foundation, that
Speaker 1: would be a direction. My only point here, and I
Speaker 1: will stick with this, is the line about it meant
Speaker 1: nothing to them and or they didn't want to hurt
Speaker 1: me is bull. That's bull. Oh this is also just immaturity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: total bull. If they didn't want to hurt you, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it in the first place. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: have lied to you for two years. So that line,
Speaker 1: if that is in fact the excuse, is not a
Speaker 1: valid excuse in my book.
Speaker 2: If it came out that you made out with not
Speaker 2: necessarily one of Kate's friends. But early, early on, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: yeap slipped up at the Christmas party and you've been
Speaker 2: holding it back.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be out right, I think I'd probably
Speaker 1: be out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely would be I hope i'd be out.
Speaker 2: I definitely would be out. So all right, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm too lazy to do that. I love my wife
Speaker 2: too much. Yeah, all right, that's our show, except for
Speaker 2: one last thing. I guess, yes, So, I guess if
Speaker 2: you follow me on Instagram, which God blessed, thank you,
Speaker 2: thanks for the follow.
Speaker 1: Much better pictures than mine, by the way. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just do the story thing so it disappears. Dan Rubinstein,
Speaker 1: just one word, I guess I got some news. How
Speaker 1: you want to throw me a drum roll? Body?
Speaker 2: That is the sound of my son crying, because we
Speaker 2: have a solid baby through. When we started this show,
Speaker 2: we were not with our wives. No, there was no
Speaker 2: home ownership, there was no wedding planning, there was no wedding,
Speaker 2: there was no honeymoon, there was no buying of a home,
Speaker 2: and there were certainly no children. And so if you've
Speaker 2: been listening to the show for a long time, we've
Speaker 2: all come to a very far and definitely better place together.
Speaker 2: And so now this would be two weeks ago, my
Speaker 2: beautiful wife Jody with and I gave birth to a
Speaker 2: very healthy son, seven pounds eleven ounces, and there is
Speaker 2: now an extra member of the solidverbal crew. And you
Speaker 2: can point to this day as when we jump the shark.
Speaker 2: This is the day. Like, yeah, once Dan had his kid,
Speaker 2: it just wasn't the same. I don't know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: listen to Bill Connolly and Steven or something, but yes,
Speaker 2: I have a son.
Speaker 1: He's healthy, he's amazing. It's been a great two weeks.
Speaker 2: We had his two week doctor's appointment today and ninety
Speaker 2: eighth percentile height, whoa around thirty to forty percentile weight,
Speaker 2: but strong legs. Scouting report is very positive, elite pooper.
Speaker 2: I am over the moon, completely in love and yeah,
Speaker 2: we have a solid baby.
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. Wow. Yeah, that's very exciting. Dan congratulating.
Speaker 1: I am I am the first person to have a kid.
Speaker 1: You are. I'll treat it as such. I am the
Speaker 1: first father. This is College Football Podcasting's Truman Show. Is
Speaker 1: what this is? This is it?
Speaker 2: So yeah, we've actually gotten questions before, like when you
Speaker 2: guys have kids, so you guys can talk about what
Speaker 2: it's like to wach college football and juggle fatherhood or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: At least on my end, I've I've heard reports that
Speaker 1: Tie is very virile. That's right.
Speaker 2: So now I have a number of questions here, right,
Speaker 2: and I will say I'm going to answer all of
Speaker 2: those questions. And we've talked about you know, we get
Speaker 2: engaged and we talk about wedding planning and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and we check in blah blah blah. I was just
Speaker 2: very I wanted everything to go right. We were very
Speaker 2: fortunate that it did. Everything was very healthy along the way.
Speaker 2: I definitely understand that we are incredibly fortunate for that
Speaker 2: to be the case. And certainly thoughts are out to
Speaker 2: everybody you know going through their own stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: always thinking of you. But just wanted to keep it
Speaker 2: low key to make sure everything went all right.
Speaker 1: Well it did, and congratulations, have you acquired your dad's
Speaker 1: strength yet? Dan?
Speaker 2: You know what, I actually was going to the gym Moore,
Speaker 2: you know, I know that's sort of endorphin and in
Speaker 2: the spur of the moment lift a car thing. Sure,
Speaker 2: but I've definitely been squatting more. I've definitely been hammering
Speaker 2: the delts and the tries for sure. So yes, how
Speaker 2: many it's on the uptick? How many times have you
Speaker 2: been peed on? So he is about to be two
Speaker 2: weeks old, four and a half, five times? Listen it listens.
Speaker 2: I know people have recommendations. There are tents that you
Speaker 2: can put over and you cover with a diaper or
Speaker 2: something like.
Speaker 1: That medical tent.
Speaker 2: Sure, it doesn't medical tent. It doesn't matter how quick
Speaker 2: you are or if you think your timing is right.
Speaker 2: You're quick and he doesn't pee and then you're like,
Speaker 2: I think we're safe. Now remove the diaper, and then
Speaker 2: the fire hose begins. So this is not going to
Speaker 2: be ending anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Will you be doing a dedication podcast like a cat
Speaker 1: Steven's Father and Son? Oh, where you're going to put
Speaker 1: this one in the vault so that the young and
Speaker 1: can listen when he turns of age.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I have a couple of friends
Speaker 2: actually who write letters to their kids some month just
Speaker 2: check in just to a vault, a little time thing.
Speaker 2: I don't have any audio plans at the moment, but
Speaker 2: that could change. Okay, what's time capsule.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Jody with an eye. Absolute champ. Not going
Speaker 2: into details about the labor, no, but she is. She
Speaker 2: did such a phenomenal job, total champ.
Speaker 1: So for those of you wondering, yeah, why weren't we
Speaker 1: in San Francisco for the championship? Why didn't we have
Speaker 1: a live show this January? Now, maybe you got some
Speaker 1: critical details to that question.
Speaker 2: Yes, so she was due like a week after the
Speaker 2: National Championship game. Was like, you know what, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna stay in New York and not miss anything important.
Speaker 1: How about that? All right? Well, any other questions? I
Speaker 1: have a number of questions, but worried about the ninety
Speaker 1: minute mark here. All right, we'll spread it to another
Speaker 1: Q and A show, and I would like to field
Speaker 1: I would like to field questions from the verballerhood. Now
Speaker 1: that we are about this.
Speaker 2: I have I'm I'm extremely excited to talk about fatherhood
Speaker 2: after we talk about college football and shows.
Speaker 1: I have many many questions on this matter. Great, and
Speaker 1: I am excited to blitz you with them at the
Speaker 1: most inopportune moments, the way you do me with everything else.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: I am excited, and I imagine a very healthy percentage
Speaker 2: of our listeners have children, or at least a child,
Speaker 2: and to them, I say, I am much dumber than
Speaker 2: all of you. So I am very excited for anybody
Speaker 2: to write in with any questions and or if you
Speaker 2: have feedback, as it appears most parents do, if you
Speaker 2: got tips, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about the conception. I want
Speaker 1: play by play. We're going to be absolutely about teething, yep,
Speaker 1: potty train, all of this stuff. I'm right on the
Speaker 1: hook for this. Now.
Speaker 2: This is when our show got especially terrible yep, and
Speaker 2: it jumped the shark once the solid baby shut up.
Speaker 1: Now he's great. He is. He is fantastic.
Speaker 2: He's fun and according to all of his grandparents, exceptional
Speaker 2: and very smart for his age.
Speaker 1: Terrific. Dan, Yes, I also did ask you when we
Speaker 1: can close out with this. It was the most Darren
Speaker 1: ravel thing I've ever said in my life. If you
Speaker 1: had given any thought to the branding of the child,
Speaker 1: like how you would present your new son here on though.
Speaker 2: He has a first name in a middle name, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's about his deep The branding is actually before he
Speaker 2: was born. My mother in law who's a huge sports
Speaker 2: fan and extraordinarily thoughtful, made up a custom with our logo,
Speaker 2: fonts and colors and everything, and I'll post a picture
Speaker 2: of it once.
Speaker 1: He wears it. The Solid Baby onesie with a Rubinstein
Speaker 1: on the back. Nice.
Speaker 2: So the Solid Verbal and my wee son are going
Speaker 2: to be one and the same very soon the branding
Speaker 2: is complete, the Solid correct, the Solid Baby. All right, well,
Speaker 2: please join me out there in wishing my wonderful co
Speaker 2: host the most heartfelt congratulations here on this life event,
Speaker 2: the birth of your child. Very excited for you, man,
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I am very tired. All right, well,
Speaker 1: go get some sleep. Yes to all of you out
Speaker 1: there who listen to the whole thing, hope you enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: will be back in a week talk some college football
Speaker 1: and otherwise put in the meantime for that guy over there,
Speaker 1: Dan Rubency, new Father Dan Ruberstein for myself, Tie hilding Brand,
Speaker 1: Thanks again for tuning in. We'll catch you all soon.
Speaker 1: To me high, stay solid, peace,