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Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam.

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Speaker 2: I'm kay Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, and John Oser are

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Speaker 2: with me today.

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Speaker 1: We're heading into the.

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Speaker 2: Bye week, but we're coming off a historically bad loss,

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Speaker 2: so let's talk things out a little bit and talk

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Speaker 2: about what's going to go on going forward.

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Speaker 1: So big thing number one, not if, but when.

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Speaker 2: Obviously after a loss like we had to the Lions

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Speaker 2: last week, changes will be made at this point, no

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Speaker 2: changes yet, Brian, But when you're looking forward, something has

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Speaker 2: to change at some point.

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 4: You can't sell what we've seen too often your year,

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Speaker 4: whether it was the Bills or the Bears, and this

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Speaker 4: was just further proof that there are systemic problems. What

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Speaker 4: those are for someone else to decide. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: can give you a couple of things that I think

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Speaker 4: and I have, but something's going to change. I know

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Speaker 4: people want it right now, but that doesn't help change

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Speaker 4: it for the rest of this season. It creates more

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Speaker 4: problems oftentimes. Look, I've done this for thirty one years.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen and in season coaching change make a

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Speaker 4: difference at all. So you might as well just stay

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Speaker 4: the course and go through the rest of the season.

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Speaker 4: The schedule gets easier. You're not playing the Lions anymore.

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Speaker 4: You've got the Titans and the Jets and teams that fit.

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Speaker 3: More where you are.

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Speaker 4: I would stay right where I was, understanding that nobody

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Speaker 4: believes that anything is staying the same when the season

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Speaker 4: is complete.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's as much as fans don't want to hear this,

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Speaker 5: shod Cohn and people who are influencing the decision. You

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Speaker 5: don't want to make a move in the X number

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Speaker 5: of hours right after that. It's emotional. And even though

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Speaker 5: fans instinct to say, well, fire everybody, it's the job

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Speaker 5: of the owner to make sure that the change or

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Speaker 5: the structure is good for the long term and not

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Speaker 5: good for twelve hours.

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Speaker 4: And people know this. But the Jets fired Robert Sala

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Speaker 4: how many weeks ago? And has that turned the tide

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Speaker 4: at all? And Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback, They've got

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Speaker 4: that veteran presence.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't changed anything.

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Speaker 4: And I think people know they know this, But the

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Speaker 4: emotion of it is I gotta have change, and I

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Speaker 4: got to have it now. Look, it sucked watching on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Nobody liked that at all. But you're not going to

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Speaker 4: change it. In two weeks because you change it right now.

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Speaker 5: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Now our second big thing is on the table. While

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Speaker 2: we talk about grand changing, we haven't seen a lot

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Speaker 2: of that yet. Dan Peterson was asked earlier this week

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Speaker 2: about whether he'd be making any changes to.

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Speaker 1: His coaching staff, or particularly to play calling.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, I really wish that.

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Speaker 6: Everything for those everything's all kid.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's that John play calling is on the table.

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Speaker 1: Apparently everything is on the table. Is a little too

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Speaker 1: late for those kinds of talks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say it's on the table because he wanted

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Speaker 5: to answer the question yesterday and in the next what

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Speaker 5: until the coaches leave the building for the bye, which

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Speaker 5: I think is Thursday Wednesday, whatever, they need to discuss

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Speaker 5: that and figure out what to do going forward. I

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Speaker 5: don't think at that point he had made that decision,

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Speaker 5: so leaving everything on the table. I'd be a little

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Speaker 5: surprised if if he changes the approach, Brian, because he's

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Speaker 5: been pretty clear for two and a half years that

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Speaker 5: he believes in this approach. Maybe he takes over play

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Speaker 5: calling or changes a dynamic in it. But I just

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Speaker 5: don't believe from listening to Doug for two and a

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think so I'll take the coaching side,

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Speaker 4: because he was asked about would he make changes to

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Speaker 4: his coaching staff, and I think I said on our

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Speaker 4: postgame radio show on Sunday evening and yesterday on Jaguars

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Speaker 4: have that, We've got to change it. But Doug reminded

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Speaker 4: because he doesn't want to point the finger at his

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Speaker 4: assistant coaches. In fact, he was definitive when he said

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Speaker 3: That's not how he operates.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the owner comes in and changes the dynamic because

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Speaker 4: like that. But Doug seem pretty adamant that if anyone

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Speaker 1: Big thing number three is bye by.

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Speaker 2: We're into the bye week, and as Brian mentioned when

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Speaker 2: speaking directly to the fans, is what Doug.

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Speaker 1: Pearson had to say.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can criticize me all you want, point the

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Speaker 6: finger at me. That's fine because it's where it starts.

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Speaker 6: But you know, for the players, they put their best

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Speaker 6: foot forward every single day. Yesterday was not who we are.

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Speaker 6: And to Jean's point, I mean, this is an exhausted

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Speaker 6: rejuvenated again, get fresh again, and get ready to go

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Speaker 6: for the last you know, six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Ran.

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Speaker 2: I think this team, the fan base probably tired physically, emotionally, mentally,

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Speaker 2: every aspect of that. Is there any belief after what

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Speaker 2: able to bounce back at least put some effort forward

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Speaker 2: in these last six games.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean, Doug says that's not who we are,

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Speaker 4: and I know that's not a satisfying answer for anyone,

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Speaker 4: But what.

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Speaker 3: Else can he possibly say?

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Speaker 4: He could point back to the three games prior the Packers,

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Speaker 4: at the end, and those are three good football teams

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Speaker 4: near the top of the standings in the league, let

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Speaker 4: alone the NFC, and he can say that's who we are.

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Speaker 4: So if you're looking for hope, if that's true, that

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Speaker 4: who they are. You went toe to toe with Detexans

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Speaker 4: So if you're just gonna try to compare, yeah, there's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that that's who

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Speaker 5: but it's not who they've been. And I think Doug

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Speaker 5: playing with the emotion and the desire of the three

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Speaker 5: playing those last six games. He said, add nauseum in

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Speaker 5: the last couple of days and no fans are tired

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Speaker 5: of hearing it about being a tired fatigue team. I

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Speaker 5: think there was something to that in Detroit that once

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Speaker 5: they kind of took the punch, there wasn't a punch

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Speaker 5: to give back. I do think after the bye there'll

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Speaker 5: be a punch to give back. I just don't know

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Speaker 5: if those punches are gonna have a bunch more wins,

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Speaker 5: but I think you'll see more fight.

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Speaker 1: Love some more fight. We're gonna fight through this.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna come back after the break and talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about what we're gonna see after the bye week.

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Speaker 1: This oh, this.

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Speaker 2: Schools Welcome back into jags Am.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday of bye week.

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Speaker 2: We're getting ready to have a couple of days off,

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Speaker 2: so that's good, but we still want to look forward

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Speaker 2: to those final six games. We mentioned five of the

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Speaker 2: six opponents under five hundreds, so those are winnable matches,

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Speaker 2: but it depends, so you're putting out on the field

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Speaker 2: at that point. We've talked about Trevor Lawrence possibly being available.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what that full availability will be. But

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Speaker 2: in your mind, do you need to see Trevor at

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Speaker 2: some point in the rest of the season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, because I want to see my young wide

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Speaker 4: especially because he runs deep. I think we've seen that

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Speaker 4: those deep balls. So yes, I want to see not

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Speaker 4: at the risk of the shoulder eating surgery and being

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Speaker 4: a problem for him, but if he can handle the pain,

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Speaker 4: and because that's not going to change until the offseason,

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Speaker 4: if he can handle it not injure it further, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I need to see him.

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Speaker 5: I say, yay, I mean yeah, your name. The graphic

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Speaker 5: because I would like to see him. As long as

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Speaker 5: you know it doesn't affect next off seasons. My understanding

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Speaker 5: if he can do it without injury, then even for

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Speaker 5: and still getting better progressing would be a positive. And

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Speaker 5: now I'm usually not this guy. But if the offensive

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Speaker 5: injuries where it got a little dicey, they've passed protected. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So I have no problem with putting him out there

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Speaker 4: I think he's also the leader of your franchise and

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Speaker 4: the leader of the locker room. And you have guys

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Speaker 4: bubble wrap and put him away because of that, I'm

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Speaker 4: playing with the knee, a hip, a foot, whatever it

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Speaker 3: What about me?

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Speaker 4: I think having him as that guy, and not because

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Speaker 3: And he's a guy who played hurt last year.

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Speaker 4: He's a guy who's tough enough to be willing to

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Speaker 4: play hurt, not injured, but hurt. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: the locker room needs to see if he can play, see.

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Speaker 5: Him play, It'll feel very make sure the word rudderless,

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Speaker 5: no big toe kind of situation. Yeah, if you don't

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Speaker 5: have Trevor in there, because it will feel very stale.

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Speaker 5: I think I'd rather not have that, and I think

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Speaker 5: the franchise would It would still be good for some energy,

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Speaker 2: And when we talked about developing some of the younger players,

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Speaker 2: you're not the offense is inoperable at this point, so

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Speaker 2: you're not seeing much of anything from anybody. So if

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Speaker 2: we want to see some of what you know Brenton

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Speaker 2: Strange can do, what Brian Thomas can do, we definitely

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Speaker 2: need to see Trevor back out there. Also looking at

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Speaker 2: a couple of guys contract years right we talked about this,

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Speaker 2: But two guys in contract years right now on Her

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's a smart move for them

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I was surprised earlier frankly that they didn't just

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Will Levis has been back for a couple of games now.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I mean Shdur Sanders is sitting right there

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Speaker 1: It's just the rest of the division is not good.

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Speaker 4: Well, they've won some close games this year, which has

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, stay with us.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to you about what's coming up the

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Speaker 6: I think you gotta be really, really careful when you

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Speaker 1: So that's enough on that, No significant changes.

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Speaker 2: We're going into the bye week. We are expecting to

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Speaker 3: What am I hoping to see change?

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping to see this team come out and win

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether that's throwing the ball down field more,

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Speaker 3: It's too little, too late for most people. I get that.

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Speaker 4: But we've been telling bad stories for eleven weeks. Nine

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Speaker 5: Yeah, same. I mean, it's it's very conceivable they could

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Speaker 2: Bye week coming at the perfect time for all of us.

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Speaker 2: We hope you enjoy your week away, rest up, and

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