1 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I'm my favorite murder the mini. 2 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: So do you read you your stories? 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: It's incredible how you send them to us. 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: You just keep doing it, you do go for sure? 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Okay o. Yeah, we're gonna do a special New Year's 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: one guys. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five. Wrapping up, how do you feel you 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: got your presence? You've eating a bunch of food. Hopefully 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: you're grateful for some things. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: Hopefully you have hope. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Hopefully there's stuff to work toward. 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: Right or I'll try him here. Yeah, it's all you 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: can do. 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: That's right. 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: Let's start with a fucking horrible one, shall we? A 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 2: snow covered churchyard and a hometown that changed the law. 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: All right, ladies, I'm from a sleepy little town on 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: the outskirts of Birmingham, England. It's as crime free as 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: anywhere can be, and generally consider very safe. And then 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: it says in parentheses, I mean apart from the garden 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: down the road that was recently dug up to discover 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: a body and potentially solve a thirty two year old 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: cold case. And a fantastic I survived story about a 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: woman eight months pregnant who was stabbed twenty four times 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: in our town center by her ex partner and survived 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: to testify and jail that motherfucker. But all those are 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: stories for another day. What so crime free? 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Except for that's so British of that person to just 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: dangle all of those unbelievable They better write it, not survive. 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: Yesry, well, this is a good one too. I was 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: thirteen when on New Year's Day, the local news exploded 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: with the discovery of the body of a seventeen year 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: old girl from my school, Nicola Dixon. Nikola had been 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: due to go away with family free New Years, but 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: stayed home. She had a driving test scheduled. She went 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: to the local social club on New Year's Eve and 37 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: left at about ten pm to meet friends in the 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: town center, a ten minute walk tops. She never made 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: it to her friends. Instead, on New Year's Day in 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, her body was found in the snow 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: covered grounds of the local church. From the analysis of 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: the scene, police concluded that Nikola had almost escaped over 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: a fence, but it had been dragged back by her attacker. 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: She had been alive when he fled the scene, and 45 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: bruises on her knuckles indicated that Nicola put up what 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: hell of a fight, but eventually died from the devastating 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: had injuries inflicted on her. The police conducted what was 48 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: called by Nichola's father a snowflake to snowflake search of 49 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: the scene and launched what became a nationwide manhunt. They 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: interviewed over eleven thousand people during the investigation and took 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: six thousand statements, and featured the case on a British 52 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: TV show, I'd imagine you guys would have loved had 53 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: you grown up in the UK Crime Watch. 54 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: Oh we've heard a crime watch. Yeah. 55 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Despite their best efforts, they were unsuccessful in their attempts 56 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: to find her killer until six years later, when a 57 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: local man, Colin Waite, was arrested after a road rage 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: incident in Birmingham and routinely DNA tested. He was a 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: perfect match with the hair and bodily fluids left at 60 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: the scene of Nikola's murder. He protested his innocence, but 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: it took the jury thirty minutes to send call in 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: to life imprisonment. Turns out Colin had been in prison 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: since Nikola's murder for assaulting his partner, but due to 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: a clerical error, his DNA was not able to be processed, 65 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: and it was just incredibly lucky that he'd gotten all 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: ragy that night that led to his arrest and the 67 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: police were able to test him again. Wow, just a 68 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: fucking fluke. 69 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, but also a person that can't control themselves, so 70 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: it's like it's going to happen again. 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: Clearly he and Nikola were complete strangers. She was just 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nicola's lasting 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: legacy is that, due to her case, her parents fought 74 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: for a change in the law that means DNA is 75 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: taken from prisoners as standard practice and will hopefully prevent 76 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: other families from going through the same agonizing way they 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: had to. It's been over twenty years, but it's still 78 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: all they can think about when passing that church. I'd 79 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: like to get sentimental, but let's face it, it just 80 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: makes us all uncomfortable. So I'll simply say thank you 81 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: Karen and Georgia. You've helped me in so many ways 82 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: and never failed to make me laugh, even during the 83 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: horror show that is this pandemic. Oh man, only shit SSDGM. 84 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Ellie Wow, yeah, Ellie, real true crime one there. 85 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's weird? I started mine with a 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: real true crime one too. 87 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: Shit. 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Love that people still send these in and that that 89 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: connection is the connection that people have with true crime stories. 90 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: Right. 91 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: I passed this yard and I think about this girl 92 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: who was all by herself going through this horrible thing, 93 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: and that's how people do it. Yeah, could be any 94 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: of us or sometimes their mom's involved. Oh shit, Okay, 95 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: so this says hometown story dateline hometown. Hey kids, this 96 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: is a longish one, but hang in there with me. 97 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: Most of this story occurs in Muskegem County, Ohio. On 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: New Year's Day, twenty twelve. My mom was taking the 99 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: deposit to the bank for the clothing store she worked at. 100 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: She pulled her car up to the curb and was 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: waiting for her coworker to come out and get in 102 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: the car when she saw a guy in a ski 103 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: mask start jogging up to the car. He struck her 104 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: coworker with his gun and pointed it at her. She 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: hit the gas and pulled away. She took the deposit 106 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: bag and jumped a fence and was gone. Hell of 107 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: a way to start the new year. Don't worry, the 108 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: year got better when I birthed twin granddaughters for her. 109 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: Holy shit, let me help you out here, my God. 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: I'll bring two human beings from the world, and maybe 111 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: that'll make things better. Fast forward to twenty fourteen, a 112 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: twenty five year old mom, Brandy Daniels, is murdered in 113 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: her parents rural driveway on her way home from work 114 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: late at night. She was in the midst of divorcing 115 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: her abusive husband, who was in Alaska at the time. 116 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: That husband, Josh Daniels, was my mom's coworker that was 117 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: hit with the gun when she got robbed. Holy shit, 118 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: a lot of police work phone records and a couple 119 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: battered ex girlfriends willing to talk to police, and the 120 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: connections between a string of robberies and four suspects became clearer. 121 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Sirius Underwood, one of the men who helped with the robberies, 122 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: offered to murder Brandy. Brandy and Josh were having a 123 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: contentious divorce and custody of their five year old daughter 124 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: was part of it. Daniels gave Underwood Brandy's movements after 125 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: communicating with her under the guise of when she would 126 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 1: be home to have a phone call with their daughter. 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Underwood shot Brandy three times in her parents' driveway got Brandy. 128 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: Daniel's murder was covered on season two, episode twenty four 129 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: of Dateline. The episodes entitled out There in the Dark. 130 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: My Mom had several polygraphs and quite a stressful go 131 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: of the robbery. When she was asked to be a 132 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: grand jury witness, she went, she is a badass. Also, 133 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: we saw your show with the lyric in Baltimore and 134 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: really wished we could have told her hometown, but we 135 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to break the rules. Stay sexy and don't 136 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: let the bastards get you down. Julia, Oh my god. 137 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: So the coworker was the ex husband, meaning he staged 138 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 139 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that robbery and him getting hit and everything. It 140 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: was like he knew the guy that robbed them. He 141 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: was in on that. Yeah, he was a criminal, and 142 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: he was also an abusive husband that had his wife 143 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: like murder for higher murdered. Awful Jesus, Well, this is 144 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the way to celebrate. 145 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: New Year's if we've gone and done it. 146 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: Listen, it's how we do it. 147 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: Here is kind of another true crime ish one. I'm 148 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: not going to do the subject. It just starts alrighty, 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to write in for a while, but my 150 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: severe dyslexia and crippling anxiety had kept me from doing so. 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: Here I go. I live in a quiet, upper middle 152 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: class neighborhood in the heart of Toronto, the type of 153 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: place where yoga moms walk their labradoodles with wine at night. 154 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: That changed in January twenty ten, just before New Year's 155 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: I was outside hanging decorations on my front porch when 156 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: one flew away. I went to chase it across the road, 157 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: and just so happened that a car was coming straight 158 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: for me. But I was too focused on catching the 159 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: dollar store decorations than a four thousand pound car coming 160 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: my way. And later they'll say that they were eight 161 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: years old in this. Before I knew it, my neighbor 162 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: scooped me up in the middle of the road. If 163 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: you didn't, I would have been flattened like a pancake. 164 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: I thought nothing of it, said thank you, and when 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: on with my decorating. I know. Fast forward to New 166 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Year's Day and over twelve police cards were outside that 167 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: same neighbor's house. He had reported his girlfriend missing two 168 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: days prior. The police searched his house and found the girlfriend, 169 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Lisa Lebitka wrapped in a rug underneath her own child's bed. 170 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: In this trial, it came out that he had smothered 171 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: her with a pillow. This took place on the very 172 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: same day that my decoration flew across the road. What 173 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: that's right, My neighbor, Paul Hindle, saved my life the 174 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: exact same day he took another. 175 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sign. 176 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: I know, being an oblivious eight year old at the time, 177 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: I watched him get handcuffed and loaded into the police 178 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: car from my front window. I remember asking my mom 179 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: why he was handcuffed, and she replied, oh, honey, everyone 180 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: has to get handcuffed to go in the back of 181 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: a police car. Just trying to make it so a 182 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: nice cover, And then she says, I guess she's not lying. 183 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: Before the end of my Christmas break, my older brother 184 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: explained to me that my neighbor was in fact charged 185 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: with murder and not just going for a ride along 186 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: with the police while being handcuffed. Still not grasping the concept, 187 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: I remember going back to grade four after winter break, 188 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: and when going around in a circle as a class, saying, 189 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: the most exciting thing you did over the break, I said, 190 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: my neighbor got murdered. I believe this is what got 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: me into true crime at such a young age. It 192 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: will always give me chills thinking about my neighbor picking 193 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: me up, saving me from oncoming traffic with the same 194 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: hands that he took life with. Soon after, every kid 195 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: on my street got therapy after this, except me, probably 196 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: because my parents thought I was too young to care 197 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: about what happened. Oh if only they knew of the 198 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: little murdering. Know I was good thing. I just started 199 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: seeing a therapist last week. 200 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: Just in time. 201 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: It's never too late, stay sexy and always looked both 202 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: ways before crossing the road. 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Love e she her. 204 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: God, it's like unfathomable. 205 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: You want to believe that you know the full constitution 206 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: of a person who's going to murder their girlfriend, and like, 207 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: that's a sociopath, that's a psychoplath, that's a person that 208 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have feelings. Yes they do, right, It. 209 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: Just doesn't make any sense to us because we could 210 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: never goaden that. 211 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, this is still crime based, but we're going 212 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: to take a little turn into the normal minisod comedy 213 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: that I enjoy so much. This is an incredible email. 214 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read you. The subject line it says, 215 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I use I was raised in a very magical way, 216 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: and then in parentheses it says not for commercials. I 217 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: don't know what that means. However, there is one experience 218 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: that I have engraved in my mind that I think 219 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of your requests. Drunk parents, crime, 220 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: and holidays. Here we go. When I was twelve years old, 221 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: my big Latino family had our usual New Year's party 222 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: at my grandma's which normally starts in New Year's Eve 223 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: and ends around seven or eight am New Year's Day. 224 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: They party all night long. These parties are incredibly lively, 225 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: with a lot of dancing and eating and drinking, and 226 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: usually we have a designated driver in our family that 227 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: would drive everyone home, all sixty seven of us. Holy shit, 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: and then a parenthesis that says, no one likes that job. No, 229 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: that's so crazy. This particular year, after waiting for the 230 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: designated driver for an hour or so, I felt old 231 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: enough to suggest myself to drive us back home, and 232 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: my parents were drunk enough to agree with me. 233 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: Twelve years old, Oh, no, twelve, twelve years old. 234 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: After my dad stole the last two bottles of whiskey, 235 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: one cheap and one all caps fancy. We left my 236 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: grandma's place to our home. We live on the outskirts 237 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: of our city, on a farm. So I think it 238 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: needs to be said here as a farm child, not 239 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: really not the child of farmers, but I grew up 240 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: in a rural area. Kids start driving when they're like 241 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: eight years old. Really, yeah, you. 242 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: Have to regular cars or regular cars and like around 243 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: the land. 244 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Exactly, so you jump in a truck to go feed 245 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: the cows. 246 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: Like from suburbia, like I never know. 247 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that the whole thing of like this, 248 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: this is the way things have to work on this farm, right. 249 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: It's like the kids are farm workers like everybody else. 250 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: So like we collected the eggs, we fed the chicken 251 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: and the chickens and the geese. 252 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: And writing from your house to the thing on the 253 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: same land isn't a big. 254 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Deal, no, And usually I mean like we didn't do 255 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: it as much. It's more like cattle ranchers kids who 256 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: if they had to get up at five in the 257 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: morning to go feed one hundred cows, they're going to 258 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: take a truck to do it, and they'll be fine 259 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: doing that and if they are there with their brother 260 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: who's twelve and they're eighty all of that kind of stress. 261 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: First of all, there's nothing to hit you or whatever. 262 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: You can't hit cows. They're easy to miss, and then 263 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: you just kind of start getting used to it. Anyway, 264 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there. 265 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: It's really fascinating to me because I had never I 266 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: have never experienced that coming from the suburbs, you know. 267 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: So after leaving the city and entering the County Highway, 268 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: I see a few transit police checkpoints. To be super clear, 269 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: I don't have a driver's license. My family is cheap 270 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: and they don't pay car insurance, and our registration is expired. 271 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: So I'm panicking within reason. I asked my mom what 272 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: to do, and she was in her drunk, sleepy place 273 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: where no one can read. 274 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: Sure I have one of those. 275 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: I turned to my dad and he was in an 276 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: incoherently loud state, hugging his whiskey bottles. It was too 277 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: late to go back, so now I was driving through 278 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: the checkpoint, praying not to be randomly picked to be 279 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: asked for my papers. Oh my god, well I was 280 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: definitely picked. Of course, when the officer came to the car. 281 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: I was actually very relaxed, and then in parentheses, it 282 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: says my upbringing prepared me for this. I had my 283 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: window already down, and I start to notice that the 284 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: officers in parentheses, all of them were very drunk themselves. 285 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: What I asked what I could help them with? I 286 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: help you after, Well, it's crater. 287 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a fucking phone book. How can I 288 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: help you? 289 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: Like? You have your wrist on the roofs on the drug. 290 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: What can I help you with? 291 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the problem officer. 292 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: So I asked what I could open with and he 293 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: asked for my age, and I said, I'm twelve, but sober, 294 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: and I've been driving for four years. Okay, fucking legend. 295 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: He asked for the car's papers. I pass them to him, 296 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: hoping he doesn't pay attention to the expiration dates. He doesn't, 297 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: gives me the papers back and finally asks who I 298 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: was driving. I say, my parents. They're in no condition 299 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to drive, so we all thought we'd be safer with 300 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: me driving. He looks at me and says, we might 301 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: not take your car. What we could call child services. 302 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: You're too young to be responsible for your parents, which 303 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: is true. Yes, in general, yes, if she had to 304 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: do that all the time, right, that's when that's true. Sure, 305 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Christmas come on, okay, New Year's, New Year's come on Christmas. 306 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: Or New Year's? Which one? 307 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: It's New Year's. Sorry, okay, So it says I'm freaking out. 308 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: This possibility never crossed my mind. However, I did say 309 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: I was prepared for this. I said, I can help 310 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: you continue your party with your fellow officer friends with 311 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: this whiskey bottle. And how are you so brilliant fucking 312 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: and handling shit? Yeah, I think oldest daughter I would guess, yeah, 313 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: and I pull up the cheap whiskey bottle. The officer 314 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: laughs and says, I'd be more inclined to let you 315 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: leave if you give me that Johnny Walker blue label. 316 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Your dad is hugging. 317 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: Oooh. 318 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I turned around, looked at my dad in the back seat, 319 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: hugging his bottle like he was holding his life, and 320 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: grab it. 321 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: Oh okay, he holds on. 322 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Titan shouts mine. Oh my god. So I smoothly switch 323 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: it with the cheap one, quickly give it to the 324 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: officer and say thank you and happy New Year, and 325 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: drive away as fast as possible. We arrive safely home, 326 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: I open the windows of the car to let my 327 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: parents sleep in it until they are well enough to 328 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: come inside. 329 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: Shit, like Chris is, we're laughing so hard, but this 330 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: feels like childhood trauma a little bit. 331 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: It's trauma except for what a success. 332 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. It's either trauma or it's the funny 333 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: story that you tell the holidays. 334 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: The fine line, Yes, of it's. 335 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: Only happened once. It's a funny story. 336 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: But it's like she didn't get home and then start 337 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: getting yelled at by those same parents or like beaten. 338 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, what do I know? But here's the assumption. 339 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: The reason she was able to handle it the way 340 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: she was is because her parents are smart and cool 341 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: and treat her like a real person and empowered her 342 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: to do it. Okay, let's let's go with that. Let's 343 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: believe what we want to believe. Okay, until they're well 344 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: enough to come inside on their own, I'm not going 345 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: to carry them. Sorry for the length of the story. 346 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: I do hope you enjoy it. Also, thank you for 347 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: walking with me to and from university. I'm in my 348 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: last year of my PhD in chemical engineering. 349 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: And they did a great job. 350 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: And she's a job. That's amazing, and for making me 351 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: laugh every single time. Tat's off for now, and stay 352 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: sexy and always have a good bottle of liquor to 353 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: bribe the officers. 354 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: Cammy, Cammy, Yeah, Timmy's a legendary Yeah. 355 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Twelve year old. That's like, how can I help you tonight? Office? 356 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: How about this? How about I bargain with this? No, 357 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: and like she starts low and goes high like so smart. 358 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: But also there's a tacit threat in her bargain, which is. 359 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: Right, you're fucking drinking. 360 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I know you're drunk. I'm the only one in this 361 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: whole group that isn't fucking drunk. How about you don't 362 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: fuck with me? 363 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Right? It's brilliant, It's so good, it's brilliant. My last 364 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: one is family superstitions. Hello, MFM gang. My name is Hannah. 365 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: She her pronouns, Yes, you can use my name, Okay, Hannah? 366 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: Great? 367 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: Heard it? I just listened to miney SOO three or 368 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: four asking for superstitions. I have two family superstitions slash traditions. One, 369 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: my grandmother and mother have always told me never to 370 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: wash clothes on new Year's Eve or day. 371 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: I've heard that. 372 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: One we have says washing your clothes is equivalent to 373 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: washing away a loved one. I've never heard that before. Yeah. 374 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: And then number two the New Year's Day meal tradition. 375 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: Your meal should include collared greens for money, black eyed 376 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: peas for luck, and poor for prosperity. 377 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like a Southern tradition. 378 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: These are two Southern superstitions, and it might be more common 379 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: than I thought. I'm from Georgia. I've binged to the 380 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: podcast from the beginning and have finally caught up. Thanks 381 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: for making me laugh when I really need it. Stays 382 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: ex and please don't wash your clothes on New Year's Hannah. 383 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: That's a good one, Hannah. 384 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: I didn't know that washing clothes thing. 385 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard about that. Well, it's a TikTok thing. 386 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: When you're addicted to TikTok, you learn about all the traditions. 387 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like I would have a like 388 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: I would be threatening to wash my clothes on New 389 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: Years because I'm hungover, and I wouldn't have done it anyways. 390 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, that could be a thing where like a 391 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: mom was like, no, no, we can't, no, we can't 392 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: do laundry today, or it's yeah and no yelling. 393 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a TikTok thing. 394 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: Okay. The subject line of this email is that time 395 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: it actually was a mannequin, which kind of gives it away. Yeah. 396 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: Hi Karen and Georgia, longtime listener here, love you both, 397 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: love the show, et cetera, et cetera. This is the 398 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: story of the time it actually was a mannequin. Back 399 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen or maybe twenty nineteen, my friends and 400 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I traveled to New Orleans for New Year's I was 401 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: the only one who lived there, so I was being 402 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: kind of obnoxious about knowing my way around. 403 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: Of course you gotta. 404 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Oh, here's where the bagel shop used to be. 405 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: This one is better than that one. 406 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: This is a bar I don't recognize, but I'm picking 407 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: this one instead. One night, we were walking through the 408 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: French Quarter when I saw out of the corner of 409 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: my eye a naked woman's body half hidden in a 410 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: shop window. She was totally naked, covered in bruises, fully 411 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: visible from the street. The shop door was propped open 412 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: and the lights were on. I know what's going to happen, right, 413 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Fueled by a lot of liquid confidence. I broke away 414 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: from my friends to investigate. Did I think to call 415 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: the cops? Of course not. I was clearly the hero 416 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: of this story. I stepped inside an inch toward the body. 417 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: She was sprawled on, checkered vinyl tiles, limbs all wrong, 418 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: hair falling across her face in a way that was 419 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: too perfect, too shiny, too something. It very slowly dawned 420 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: on me it was a mannequin. I looked up and 421 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: saw two very confused employees staring at me. What the fuck, y'all? 422 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: I demanded, Why would you have in your window? It's terrifying. 423 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: They looked bewildered. One of them sighed and said, ma'am, 424 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: this is a fucking halloween store. A sure enough, rows 425 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: of costumes bagged in cellophane, fake cobwebs, plastered plastic, severed limbs. 426 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: I drunkenly stumbled into a year round halloween store, convinced 427 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: I was about to solve a murder. Anyway, that's the 428 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: time it actually was a mannequin. Love ya all, Emma 429 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: from Maine. 430 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: Emma from main Oh. Being a no at all When 431 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: it fucking hits you right in. 432 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: The you're being a know it all to people who 433 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: are from there, right and who aren't drunk right, all. 434 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: The drunk people. Send us your drunk stories at my 435 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: Favorite Murder at gmail. We love them, we hate them. 436 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: Send us your parents ones, the ones that are funny, 437 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: the ones that traumatized you, yes, and that hilariously traumatized you. 438 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: And hey, congratulations, because this year is almost over, God, 439 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: and the freshness of it won't be your laundry that's fresh, 440 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: but the year will be fresh and things will start again. 441 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: And here's to twenty twenty six. That's right, Stay sexy. 442 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: And don't get murdered. 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