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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, everybody,

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Speaker 1: It's your boy, Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday, March

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Speaker 1: Fun Tuesday Night in Sports. Gonzaga surviving a big scare

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Speaker 1: from b y U. That was fun. I tried to

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Speaker 1: open the podcast with it. Rob g instantly texted me

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. College basketball not as big as I like

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Speaker 1: it to be. It is a very marginal sport. I

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Speaker 1: will promise you were doing a ton of March madness,

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Speaker 1: but Gonzaga B y U. I can't dedicate ten minutes

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Speaker 1: to it, however. Coming up on the podcast a guy

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Speaker 1: I have known for probably about four years now. Jimmy Jackson,

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Speaker 1: former Ohio State superstar, played in the NBA over a decade.

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Speaker 1: I think he was with twelve different teams. Super smart guy.

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Speaker 1: He's announcing games for college basketball and the NBA. He

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Speaker 1: has some nice Kobe Bryant memories from his final season

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. I think you'll really enjoy it. Jim

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Speaker 1: Jackson Coming up. I'm still blown away by the reaction

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Speaker 1: to speaking with Carissa Thompson last week. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: big fans of her work clearly, Charissa Thompson doing great

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Speaker 1: things in the media. Let me quickly before we get

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Speaker 1: to Jim Jackson. Obviously, thank you for subscribe rates, subscribing, rating,

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Speaker 1: and reviewing the podcast. NBA's coming Back Soon, March Madness

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Speaker 1: Coming Up. NFL was big on Tuesday. From the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag perspective, I'm not going to go through each of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was not too many big surprises. Allen

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Speaker 1: inexplicably are letting him go. I thought he was the

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Speaker 1: top five vers ever the last two years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He's phenomenal. He's gonna get paid in the escalade. But

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Speaker 1: I want to open briefly by talking about judgment. And

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Speaker 1: I heard an awesome quote over the weekend that good

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Speaker 1: good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.

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Speaker 1: And this doesn't just apply to the NFL, which I'm

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Speaker 1: to guys like Myers, Leonard and the NBA who use

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Speaker 1: very poor judgment to utter a slur while playing the

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Speaker 1: video games, like what are you doing dude? Thinking like

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Speaker 1: you could just slide the inexplicable. Montres Harold fires off

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Speaker 1: that's about. I got. I got a text from a

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Speaker 1: Is he leaving the Lakers? I don't know. Bad judgment

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Speaker 1: on Montrese Harold's part, And in my own life I

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Speaker 1: used some very bad judgment when I was a young guy.

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Speaker 1: One story that I've I think I've told this before

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Speaker 1: And it was just a brain fart on my part.

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Speaker 1: I bring all this up partially because we have a

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Speaker 1: Like Jerry Jones knows Dak Prescott better than anybody in

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Speaker 1: We haven't really seen it in the playoffs and winning

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Speaker 1: do reports. You're in one tier, which means that that

427
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Speaker 1: tier gonna be tested every day. You're more restricted. Our

428
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Speaker 1: side of it is not as restricted. We're not required

429
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: to stay in our rooms we can leave, but it's

430
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: more so take care of yourself. We still have to

431
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: get tested probably twice a week, you know, compared today's

432
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: every day. But it's still about you know, you being

433
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: careful doing so. I wasn't worried about it. I did

434
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: a couple of games on the road this year. I'm

435
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: heading to the Big East Tournament tomorrow, so I'm not

436
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: as worried about it being tested, you know how it is.

437
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: UM that has gotta you know, ensure that I just

438
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: don't put myself in a situation where I get exposed.

439
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 1: That That's what I haven't read this aspect of it.

440
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: But will there be fans in India? If so, how

441
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: many and all that fun stuff. Um, the percentage, I'm

442
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: not for sure there will be fans usually as like

443
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: whatever arena it is. What I'm hearing is like ten

444
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: percent capacity. So now it changes. Lucas oil is a

445
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: little bit different because at the size of Lucas soil, okay,

446
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, but banker's life for the pacers play. If

447
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: that's a nineteen thousand square for the rain of so

448
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: your figure you know, into two thousand people, fans will

449
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: be able to go butlers a little smaller. I think

450
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: there's maybe ten thousand, So you know, it just fluctuate

451
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: from venue to venue. But I'll tell you what what

452
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: I've seen and I'll be able to experience when we

453
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Speaker 1: go to Madison Square Guarden, who was you know a

454
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: tempercent capacity. Even in two thousand fans are gonna sound

455
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: extremely loud compared to not having any feeling. It's gonna

456
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna feel like more than two thousand people,

457
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: uh in the arena. Yeah, I'm curious when you had

458
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: called games on the road this year and there was

459
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: nobody in it? Did it? What did it feel like

460
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: a practice? Uh? You know, had you ever experienced anything

461
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: like that? You've been playing in front of fans since

462
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: you were what middle school kid? Probably? Well, you know

463
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: what I got, I got used to it. You gotta

464
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: go back to when I was in the bubble. That's

465
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: the first time I experienced. You know, that was the

466
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: weird part. But at the same time, once you did it,

467
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: you got involved in the game. You know now you

468
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: you you did miss in in close game scenarios or

469
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: an exciting player team makes a room when the crowd

470
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: is just going crazy and on TV We like to say,

471
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: let it breathe and you let the the trial take

472
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: you to a commercial break, you know what I mean.

473
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: But you don't have that when you didn't have the fans.

474
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: So I kind of got my mind wrapped around. Okay,

475
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: you create your own energy. But again, it's the game

476
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: you talk about it. It's it's even difficult when I

477
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: was doing you know, I'm still doing TNT games. Well,

478
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: myself and Brian Anderson. He's not next to me, he's

479
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. I'm in that light that you talk about

480
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: challenging with a with a second delay between his mike.

481
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: In mind, that's more challenging than anything to being in

482
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Speaker 1: the ring with no fans. All right, let's pivot to

483
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: the NBA. Jim, I don't know what would you rather

484
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: talk about that this season or when you played, because

485
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: I got some questions for when you played, but I

486
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: kind of feel like we should start with this season. Okay, Well,

487
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Jim, you're hearing a lot

488
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's the All Star weekend and you know

489
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's no games, so there's a

490
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: lot of this nonsense floating people are all they're doing

491
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: is complaining about the league and how many three pointers

492
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: are being taken and what can the league do to

493
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: curb it? Something needs to be done. Jim, listen, you're

494
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: watching games every night, you're calling games all the time.

495
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: Why are people outraged at the three pointers this year?

496
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: Do you think the league has changed that much that

497
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: it's uh like difficult to watch? Well, No, it's changed

498
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of teams. Thinking about this, you know,

499
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: some of the top team to shoot a lot of

500
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: three pointers. Their field goal attempts are three point shots. Okay,

501
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: so you kind of eliminate the back to the basket

502
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: post up either the guards or forwards or centers. But

503
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: here's here's my thing. I'm not one of those guys that, oh,

504
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I played in the nineties and were the greatest era

505
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: ever and listen, the league in order to survive, like anything,

506
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: has to evolve. When I came into the league, guys

507
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: were looking at us who are older, saying, these kids

508
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: don't out to play this. And you know what I mean.

509
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: It's like, Jay, I'm a hip hop head. You gotta

510
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: have this argument. What's the better hip hop eighties, nineties,

511
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: the two thousand. What's going on right now? You know

512
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: what I mean, But it depends on it depends on

513
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: that person's perspective, you know what I mean. You go

514
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: back and look at listen to some of the wraps

515
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: in the nineties, there was some garbage rap, just like

516
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: if you go back in the in the nineties. We

517
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: had some bad teams in the nineties. I was on.

518
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: I was on a few of them. Don't don't make

519
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: it seem like everybody was just you know, you know,

520
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: barnstormy and just tearing down the next It was a

521
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: different game, different era that was meant for that time,

522
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: which made it special. You can't for the young men

523
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: and when and then playing the game today by playing

524
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: what's in front of them. It's no way they can

525
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: play the game the way we play because one the

526
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: advent of a you really took off during the last years. Okay,

527
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: we're expecting to play tough, physical what that was because

528
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: we played in the park, we played in alleys, we

529
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: played in backyards, we didn't really play a gym. We

530
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: can't expect them to have that mentality without going through

531
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: that exact process every day. So that's an argument. You

532
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: can't have what they can't play. They should be no

533
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: it's not. Therefore they got brought up like this, so

534
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: they're like an artist. This is the times that they

535
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: are displaying their talent in and they're reflecting what is

536
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: actually happening in society, Okay, across not just sports. That's

537
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: what these young young men and women are doing, so

538
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I can be mad at them. So, So, you came

539
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: into the NBA early nineties after Ohio State, and you

540
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: all kind of the tail end of Jordan's era, right, Um,

541
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: I call it the expansion era. I've got into it

542
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: with b. J. Armstrong a lot about this. You know,

543
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: he'll defend the nineties forever. But you also saw the

544
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: early two thousand's where uh Kobe was excelling and the

545
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: league was starting to change. You're one of those weird guys.

546
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: You're like me where I grew up without a cell phone,

547
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: but I got one right after college. So I kind

548
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: of I'm in that middle ground. You know, I'm not

549
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: like old, but I'm not young. Um. I'm curious as

550
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: to your thoughts on the changes the league went through,

551
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Like do you prefer watching nineties, which you when you played,

552
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: or do you prefer now? Um, you know, some games

553
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: in the nineties I love to watch. Some are ugly.

554
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: It was just no seriously because it was slug it

555
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: out physical, which is okay. You know, some great games

556
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: to watch. But you look at it now, um, and

557
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: you're like dag, you know, look kind of slow. Look

558
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: at the games now, you know, not there are nominalies.

559
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: There were teams that really like God and saved at

560
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: the time with Nellie, they got out and ran a lot,

561
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they were a little bit different, um.

562
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: But then you watch some of the teams now and

563
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I would say, some teams or

564
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: some guys don't need to shoot as many three points.

565
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: They don't because you're just taking the shot to take

566
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: it instead of it with purpose. Because you want to

567
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: be a volume three point shooting team, you're just gonna

568
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: take the first available. And a lot of times that

569
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: three point shot that you take in the fourth quarter

570
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: is not the same, doesn't have the same value as

571
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: it did in the first meeting. That possession may mean

572
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: more right then, and you may need a layer, a

573
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: free throw, a two point shot to keep the game

574
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: in balance or extended lead. So it goes both ways

575
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: with me, when I'm watching the nineties or currently when

576
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm calling games. Yeah, well, we talked a lot about

577
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: how Kevin Durant, James Harden, these are some of the

578
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: greatest offensive players the league has ever seen. Uh we know.

579
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: We had Coatino Mobile come on the podcast and he's like, listen,

580
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is the best score in the history of

581
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: the league period. Michael Jordan was great. Kevin Durant's unstoppable.

582
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Like Jordan played different defenses in the late eighties, those

583
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: tough Pistons and early nineties, they were very You know,

584
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: defenses were tough, but are the offenses just now seems

585
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: so efficient, like they could dominate in any era. I

586
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: plopped k D down in the eighties. He's still getting

587
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: thirty a night, right, Well yeah, but here's a Here's

588
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: the thing though, and this is another one of my points.

589
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: And yes, let's use Steph Curry. People say, well, Steph

590
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: Curry couldn't play back in the eighties or nine. I said,

591
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: well why not, he's frail, he's little, I said, but again,

592
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: you're not taking into account that he would have grown

593
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: up in that era, so he would have learned how

594
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: to play. You gonna tell me, Michael Adams was smaller.

595
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Then Step had a fantastic career with the Nuggets. Okay,

596
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Bold played, Spud, Web played, Dee Brown play. I can

597
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: list off a number of guys who would slim, who

598
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: were small but had game, because you know why, they

599
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: grew up in that era playing that physical kind of game.

600
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: So you can't take steps today and just all of

601
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: a sudden popham and parachute them into the eighties with

602
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: this same game, because that wouldn't be that. It's just

603
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: like taking Michael. Another prime example was along the Morning.

604
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: He said, man, if I played today, I would dominate

605
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: or I would do that. I said, no, you wouldn't.

606
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: You know why? You know why, because you're growing up

607
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: as a ten eleven, twelve year old. At six ten,

608
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: you would be playing on the perimeter. You wouldn't be

609
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: on the pope, so you wouldn't be the same alone

610
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: joke mourning from six to eighty nine, in high school

611
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: to eight and then college j pro You see them there.

612
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard to really argue that point. Now,

613
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: do we know they got the skills to do certain

614
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: things that are transferable, Yes, but they their games would

615
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: all be different based on the era, true or false?

616
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Jim Jackson, The Boston Celtics are best built to give

617
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets problems defensively in the postseason. Yes, well, yes,

618
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: the current and I say that because of their wings

619
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and their guards that can that can that are very interchangeable. Okay,

620
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: they are the ones that can go small and go

621
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: small with Brooklyn Nets and not be affective because if

622
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Philly goes small and you know, you take and beat out,

623
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: that's a whole different end. In Milwaukee. Milwaukee can go small,

624
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: but they don't think they have the perimeter players that

625
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: guys that can give you what you really need to

626
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: combat what Brooklyn has. Okay, and that's all They as talented,

627
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, the top three though, But no, but they

628
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: can they'll They'll make k d Kyrie and also James

629
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: have to go now depending on what Kimba does. If

630
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: Kimba is healthy, that adds another dynamic to the firepower

631
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: that the Celtics have that we haven't seen consistently with

632
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: the Celtics, and that's why there's questions about can they

633
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: really be competitive in the postseason. Jim, I don't know

634
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with the l A Clippers,

635
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: but they went from pre bubble like day this is

636
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: the best team team to beat favorites to win the

637
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Speaker 1: championship according to Vegas. And right now they're not a

638
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: top three team in the league, like their fourth in

639
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: the West. And something just seems off. I can't put

640
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: my finger on it. What what are you hearing? What

641
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: do you see with the Clippers that's wrong? Well, it's

642
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: a little tiny because I called their games, so I

643
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: see more so than anybody you know. And I do

644
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: believe that one with Paul George missing time, Couide miss

645
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: time that effected something Pat Beverley when he was out

646
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: for the games. And then so you have the Spurs

647
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: where they're just starting to play well, then somebody goes

648
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: out the lineup. You're not getting assistency. I think also, um,

649
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: let's say it like Luke Kennard and Reggie Jackson, these

650
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: guys who we felt that um and on the secondary

651
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: could have a really big impact, having yet found their groove. Okay,

652
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: they haven't found their niche. We've seen spurks of it,

653
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: like Reggie played pretty good when Pat beb was out

654
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: and he started, but coming in on the secred unity,

655
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: they haven't Nick Batouma has done great in that started.

656
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Morris Senior has done great. But those two in

657
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: particular right now still are trying to search for who

658
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: they are within the system, and that fluctuates and makes

659
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: this team a little bit different. But you're still in

660
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: the fourth position with the team like Utah, who just

661
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: was lights out January in February, you know what I mean,

662
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: I guess my issue. Like you know, you get in

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00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: a close game late, you're getting the huddle. Who is

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: the alpha speaking up and commanding everybody? This is what

665
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: you need to do. We know that's Lebron with the Lakers.

666
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: We know it's Joannice Um you know other teams. We

667
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: have an idea who it is? Who? Who is it?

668
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: With the Clippers, Jim and is, Well, here here's the thing.

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00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Paul and George and kau I have

670
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: been much more vocal this year internally with the team.

671
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: You may not see it a lot of times, um,

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00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, because we've seen TV the vocalization that they

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00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: that they've kind of grown into with the squad, and

674
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: and that there's a challenge at times because both are

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00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: quiet leaders. Were so used to a dame named Lillard,

676
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, really commanding the respect and say hey, I

677
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: need to put you in these positions. Lebron James, we're

678
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: used to that, you know what I mean. These two

679
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: guys are not built like that. So that is a

680
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: question like, Okay, who's gonna take Pat Bev has a voice,

681
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: but is he the guy that galvanizes and brings everybody together?

682
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: You know when when things start to go astraight. I'm

683
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: hopeful that as the second half of the season and

684
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I see a little bit more of it and he's

685
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: getting the playoffs, I will be a little bit more

686
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: voke now. But we can't expect him to be again

687
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: like Lebron, you know what I mean? Or step Step

688
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: is more quiet a little bit. Um. Draymond is kind

689
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: of the leader of that. That's right, you know when

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: thinkings go to the start. Um, So it's the ballot,

691
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: ballot point. Let me let's wrap up with you know,

692
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: you spent your final season I believe in the league

693
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: with with the Lakers and Kobe Bryant. You were at

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Speaker 1: the end. You know, Kobe uh he had a ridiculous year.

695
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: I think that was the year you guys lost to

696
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: the Sons. Uh In the playoffs at average a thirty game.

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00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: Um any Kobrey Kobe Bryant memory that jumps out at

698
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: you from your time with him or against him. Um yeah,

699
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: and he still old me like I know that much?

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00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Um from one, I wonder what. No. No, we had

701
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: to shoot at three point shooting game because Kobe figured

702
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: he can win everything. So I brought this three point

703
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: shooting game to to the Lakers that we used to

704
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: do in Phoenix. And long story short, it is a

705
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: matter of how many you can make in a row.

706
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: And Kobe came in and says that I can beat

707
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: I can beat the record. Nash had the record. I

708
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: was like four. I said, I'll put your money for

709
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: your mouth at He never was able to do it,

710
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: so I always held that over his head, like, Bro,

711
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: you said I'll be five on it, but but we're

712
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: being was just a corner three top of the key.

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00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: No no no, So you had all five spots on

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Speaker 1: the court, and what what you would do is, let's

715
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: say the first shot in the corner. Until you make one,

716
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: that count doesn't start, so you have to pretty much

717
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: make one too. The third shot you shoot, you have

718
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: to make it to continue so you can make one

719
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: and two, miss three and you're done. Or you can

720
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: miss one and two, make three and keep going until

721
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you miss. So that's the key, you know. So you

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Speaker 1: do it for five spots on the court, and that's

723
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: the game. But playing against him and playing with him

724
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: totally different things. Bro and I caught it on the

725
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: back end that year because I didn't get a chance

726
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: to see him through training camp. I caught him on

727
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the back end. Season was already going. He had peeled

728
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: back a little bit in regards to, you know, his

729
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: training because he had a lot of physical therapy he

730
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: had to go through, you know, to be ready to play.

731
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Speaker 1: But the intensity in which he played with the attention

732
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: to detail, you know, holding everybody accountable, not allowing the

733
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: little things to either way, the competitive nature no matter

734
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: who he was playing, whether he was hurt, whether he

735
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: was tired, it didn't matter. And from a playing perspective,

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Speaker 1: I got to value that and admired that even more

737
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: being up close and personal. Listen, I played with Tracy McGrady,

738
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Speaker 1: Steve Naz, Jason Kidd, Alan Iris and long Drill Morning

739
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Chris Webber. You know, I played with with the best

740
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: that I played in that air and that in the

741
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: game he's just a different animal. And then I got

742
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: to know him a little bit more personally off the court,

743
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: where we would go to dinner and just talk. Now,

744
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Gobe's breast friend, and we continue

745
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: that after the Lakers, since he's more seclusive of who

746
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: he's around, and that's fine. But the time I did

747
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: get a chance to spend with it, I got a

748
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: little peek into the young man Kobe Bryant was outside

749
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: of the basketball player, which to me was the most

750
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: gratifying part of you know, my short cup of tea

751
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: cup of coffee with the Legers. Yeah, all right, Jim Jackson,

752
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: good stuff, Kobe Bryant, Lakers. I mean, Jim Jackson, I

753
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: could have you for an hour. I'm sure you've got

754
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: stories on everybody. Uh That, by the way, was the

755
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: team with Smush Parker where Kobe man, let me tell

756
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: you something, let me tell what that's that's what happened.

757
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: We're up three one on Phoenix. I just left the signs,

758
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: so I'm talking cash stuff. Oh y'all done, y'are done.

759
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, Smush was doing an outstanding job of really

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00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: guarding Steve Nash and making him not as effective in

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00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: those first four games. I mean, Smush was athletic, he

762
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: was quick, defensively, he was bothering Steve. And then all

763
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Smush lost focus and concentration and the

764
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: coaching staff really didn't reel him in. And that was

765
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: the beginning of the downfall of the Sun's coming back.

766
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: And I kept telling the squad. I was like, Yo,

767
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: game five, we need to win this. Okay. Game five

768
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: was in Phoenix, in winning, I said, Okay, Games six

769
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: at home, we need to take care of business. We

770
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't win it. I called the moving company and said, Yo,

771
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: come get my stuff next week. Mush Parker, how does

772
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: smusch loose focus up three one? Well, I mean because

773
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: you gotta hit a personal agenda a little bit more

774
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: about his personal play and what he wanted to get

775
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: out of it compared to what he was doing too.

776
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: In my opinion, what I saw and that hurt us

777
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: because he did such a phenomenal job those first four

778
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: games on Steve Matt not that you stopped him, but

779
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't as effective. That's why we were able to not,

780
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, besides Kobe doing his thing. But that was

781
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: a cheap component because if you didn't have to help

782
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: as much on the picking rolls and guarding Steve Nash,

783
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: that limited the Phoenix offense to those driving kicks and

784
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: open threes and ally you, that's what Smusch was providing

785
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: force early until he kind of went sideways. And then

786
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's why Kobe would reference him and be like,

787
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, it looks like oh man, I just looked

788
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: up the box score for Game five, Smush one of seven. Uh,

789
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: it went downhill. Wow, Jim Jackson turning back the clock.

790
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: Good stuff to you, all right, man. Enjoy calling the

791
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: n c A tournament. Look forward to it. Jim Jackson

792
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: one of the good guys in sports. Jim. I'm sure

793
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: if the dudes listening see you out and about, they'll

794
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: give you a shout out. Jim Jackson, always approachable, super

795
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: nice guy, always brother