1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode three eleven. A Cappy Luke Holmbs manager 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: also Nico Moon's manager, is on. Just talks about well 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Luke Hombs a story and how he 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: got to where he is. But also you know the 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: sacrifice that Cappy went through just to be a manager. Also, 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: if you're a new artist and you're like, how do 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: I make it? Cappy will give you his advice. It's 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: a crazy cool story. I don't know that I've ever 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: heard Cappy interviewed like this before. Um, but I like 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: him a lot and I was super pumped came over 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: the house. So Cappy coming up in just a little bit. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: The new releases that I think you'll like, Let's start 13 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: at number five. Reba put out a remix of our 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: song I'm a Survivor. Now. You may know it from 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: the opening credits of the Reba Show or maybe see 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: it on TikTok all the time. I mean, that's why 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: it's probably being made as a remix, because it is 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: killing it on TikTok. See the one she did like 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: in response everything, It's like, um, if I were to 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: just come up on the top off the top of 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: my head, if I go and I'm like, I'm gonna 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: make dinner for Caitlin, and I cracked a couple of 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: eggs and I make something really wimpy, and I'm like, 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: here it is. It's like a single mom that worked too. 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: It's like it's things around the house. Mostly it's a 26 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: funny trend. It's funny. Yeah, but she uh did a 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: remix of it. And here's a clip of that single 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: moms her kids and never stops. What's Your Lands and 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: the heart of the FID I'm a survive Cla Done. 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: She has a new EP called in This Kind of Light, 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: The Crazy News about Claire Done. I'm not saying that, 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean the timing is good for her for it 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: to come out now. She got beat up by like 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: an uber driver lift driver and said, I'm used to 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: being uber to all the bad stories of maneuver. She 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: got beat up by lift driver. But that story, and 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure she never she wouldn't trade it, you know, 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to get beat up. That story made 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: me think about what she up to. Then I saw 40 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: she had new music come out talking about it here, 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: So something kind of good came from a terrible situation. 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: That guy pulled her out of the car like he 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: needs to go to John and get beat up like 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: that a few times. Man, that's that sucked for her. 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: But here she has number four on our list. Here's 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: Claire Dunne with a new song, how it comes off, 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: But that's all, that's how it comes all. I hope 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: she's doing better. I saw the pictures of her face afterward, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that was from right after 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: or still today because that was about a month ago. 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: That happened right in June, so okay, so maybe she's back. Man, 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: it felt so bad for there. Number three, Cheryl Crow 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: finally put out her full album Live from the Rheyman 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: and More. Here it's her live version of every Day's 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: a Winding Road Love Chryl Crow. At number two, Lucy 56 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: Silva's has a new song out called cool Down featuring 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Chryl Cur. I got it thirst from making you heard 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: because that's all luck, feeling nothing. And at number one, 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: the new album from Dan and Shay is called Good 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Things and here is a new song called Steal My 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: Love Nobody. I saw a clip on Instagram to where 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: Danil Larrence and Matt Stell wrote a song together. Then 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: they released it and that's called over you as you 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: it's it and so you can check that out today. 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: Jamison Rodgers has one called one day in news. Limbiscuit 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: canceled the remainder of their tour quote out of an 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: abundance of caution, did not know they were touring. I 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: wonder how many the original guys are. I know him 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: and a guitar player for sure, like Monkey was the 70 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: guitar player for I think they even changed Monkey out 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: for a while. Really is Monkey still in it? I 72 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: thought I saw him at Lollapalooza. Stevie Nixt has canceled 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: all her remaining shows, including a c L because of 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: COVID concerns, Bonaroo and Milwaukee Summer Fest to require a 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: proof of vaccination or COVID test to attend. Um. Jillian 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: Jacqueline is expecting her first kid. Congratulations love Jillian. She 77 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: first announced that she and her husband Brian are expecting 78 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: the first kid. Boom, there you go. All right, that's 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: the releases, that's the news, and we get to Cappy 80 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: in a second. Just a fantastic and we love this guy. 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: I love I think you're gonna like it too. All right, 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: thank you all right here. I didn't know your name 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: was Chris Cappy. Does anyone call you Chris my mother? 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: But nobody here, nobody. I've never heard you refer to 85 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: as anything other than Cappy. That's all I've ever gone by. 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: It's been since kindergarten. Oh it's even before, like your 87 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: professional career started. And when I was in in college 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: and my fraternity, the joke was to get Cappy's signature 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: in your black book. You had to figure out what 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: his first name was, and then it was. It was 91 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: a long running joke. So but yeah, I've never gone 92 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: by by Chris by from anyone. My mother is the 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: only one that calls me Chris. I feel like we've 94 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: known each other for a bit, But then once I 95 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: was deep diving a bit more. Obviously there are new 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: things that I want to talk to you about. But 97 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: even your your title is chief navigation Officer at Make 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Wake Artists. What the heck is the chief navigation officer? 99 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: And why that? Well, it's you know, it's funny. I 100 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: never expected to own a business and and have the 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: success that i've I've had um and when I did it, 102 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: I always said I didn't want to be a CEO. 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: I that's just not who I am. What I try 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: to do with my artists and my and my employees 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: that I try to help navigate. I used my years 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: of experience and what I've done and and point them 107 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 1: in the right direction and steer their careers and steer 108 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: their ships. But they're their bosses. I mean, they're the 109 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: CEOs of their company, and I'm there to help them. 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: So I'm not a CEO or a CFO or CEO. 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the CNO. And I love being the navigation officer. 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: That's the most comfortable thing for me. But you got 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: to create that title, Yes, I just I just came 114 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: up with it. Well. I worked on cruise ships for 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years, and you know, I was very at home 116 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: on the water, and I'm very and and and like 117 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: and I live on the river here in town and 118 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: I love being on water, and U that just felt 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: normal for me, Like, you know, just the head of 120 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the ship. I'd say, you could be captain of something, 121 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: but you're already happy people call me that. Yeah, and 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: I want to get back to the cruise ship stuff 123 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: because I I definitely read that and that was the 124 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: first time that I had known that. Um, and by 125 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: the way, you're just beloved, not not by me, but 126 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: also you know my managers Tom Lord, Tom Lord and 127 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: Tom bet She managed me. But um, you know Tom 128 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Lord was with you guys playing golf couple of weeks 129 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: as we did. We did, and he was like, man, cab, 130 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: he's just the greatest. You forget when you're only working 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: with him, you know professionally that he's just the greatest. 132 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate. Tom is an amazing person. Has been such 133 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: a great friend of mine moving to town because I 134 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: didn't have any friends here when I moved to town. 135 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: So Tom and I met very early on and we've 136 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: always been very close. You moved to Nashville to do 137 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: what to manage Luke holmbs SO, and I've talked to 138 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Luke and and I have his perspective on you and 139 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: him and just in a nutshell from his perspective, it 140 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: was like, you're the one that was like, hey, I 141 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: believe in you as an artist, like I know other 142 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: people are some people are saying this or that, but 143 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm the one that believes in you as an artist. 144 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: And that's basically according to him, that was what made 145 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: him and you stick. And you wrote him a letter 146 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: made I did. I did. Can you just tell your 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: version of that whole story? Absolutely? So you know, I 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: moved to town September six of two fifteen to manage 149 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Luke after we had we had done some things together. 150 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: So I moved to town and we started working together, 151 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: and then I had to go out of town to 152 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: finish some obligations I had that I've already given people 153 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: my word on. So I left town, and when I 154 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: came back, I had heard, you know, through the grape 155 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: vine of of Nashville, that Luke had took some management meetings. 156 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: So I said, I'm not gonna let this happen. So 157 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: I sat down and wrote him a very long email. 158 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Were you not his manager? I was his manager? But 159 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I guess it was so early on that that I 160 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: was just a like afraid of what was going to happen, 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: because I so many people have talked to me about 162 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: this town, that it's the town that would will give 163 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: you a hug, But as they're giving you a hug, 164 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: they put a knife in your back. So I was like, well, 165 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't want that to happen. So I was like, 166 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe somebody did go behind my back and 167 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: talk to Luke, so I'd said, no, what I'm going 168 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: to tell him how I feel? And I wrote this 169 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: extremely long email. It took me hours and hours and 170 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: hours to write, but I poured everything into it because 171 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: I was all in on him, and I hit send 172 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: and I just crossed my fingers and we talked the 173 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: next day and he said, I read your email, and 174 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: at first I got I was getting mad because of 175 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: the things you were saying, because you were like, you 176 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: were like saying that I was talking to somebody else 177 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: and all these other things. But as I read it, 178 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: I kept feeling how much you cared for me in that, 179 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: and I was And at the point I got to 180 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: the end of it, I was like, this guy. You know, 181 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna do anything for me, so I gotta 182 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: go with him. And we've been, you know, glued at 183 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: the hip ever since, and um, I think you have 184 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: to when you want something bad enough, you have to 185 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: go all in on it. And and I did, and 186 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: I put it all out there. What was it about 187 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: Luke early on because you didn't meet while you were 188 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in Nashville. Was it like a club? I'm just trying 189 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: to recall. So the way it all happened is uh. 190 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: A guy named Bradley Jordan, who owns Speech Tree Entertainment 191 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: called me. I was living in California and I was 192 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: working for six Man, which is the company before I 193 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: started with Luke. And he said, you've always want to 194 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: be a manager. You're forty two years old. You're throwing 195 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: your life away. If you don't do this, you're gonna 196 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: regret it. And he's my best friend and he can 197 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: say those things to me. And he hit me right 198 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: between the eyes and I said, you're right. So I 199 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: decided to move back. I was gonna work with another 200 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: I looked at a couple of other artists. None of 201 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: that worked out, and he calls me and goes, I 202 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: found your guy. His name is Luke Combs. We're gonna 203 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,479 Speaker 1: do a show and you're gonna see him play. I said, fantastic. 204 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: He goes, you have to buy the show because he 205 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: doesn't have a show in the books. He has no shows, 206 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to buy the show, rent the venue, 207 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: and throw the foot through the event. So we did 208 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: buy the show. That so we had to go and 209 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: pay Luke to come and play the show because he 210 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: didn't have any shows. On the books. So this is 211 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: so early in his career. He only had one show 212 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: he had done, which was with Bradley at UM in Rome, 213 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: Georgia at the brew House. So we we bought the show. 214 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: UM paid Luke seven and fifty dollars, paid seven or 215 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: fifty dollars to the venue. And I remember being there's 216 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: only gonna be three people at the show, Bradley, Luke 217 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: and me. And during sound check, Luke started playing a 218 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: song and he's like, hey, man, I kind of text 219 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: you these lyrics and you burn them out for me. 220 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, sure. It was Hurricane. First time you ever 221 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: played it live in front of the crowd. The only 222 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: place where it lived was on Facebook on a on 223 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: a video. So anyway, he's singing in sound check. I'm like, man, 224 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: this guy's really good, Like this guy can really sing 225 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: in the band. And so I walk outside and you know, 226 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: it's like nine o'clock and about to open the doors. 227 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's a college town and there's people in line. 228 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: No priest sold tickets, and I'm like, wow, eighty three 229 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: people were there for this first show and he had 230 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: nothing going on, and they were singing every word every 231 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: song on his first two EPs that had come out, 232 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: which is six songs she Got the Best of Me 233 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: and the way she rides and kind of get an 234 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: out Law. And then he played Hurricane and they were 235 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: singing the words of Hurricane. It's only been on a 236 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Facebook video. And for all the years that I worked with, 237 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: I was working with you know, John Mayer and Kiss 238 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: and and Kid Rock and all these Paramore three eleven, 239 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: these super passionate fan bases, and they would sing every 240 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: word every single song, even the deep cuts. They were 241 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. And I was like, he has it. 242 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: He has not only does he have the chops because 243 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: he has that and he has the songs, but he's 244 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: got fans that are already in love with him. And 245 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: as soon as you see that, and that's what I knew. 246 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: I was like, this is it? Like he has it, 247 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: I can take this. And I told him, I was like, Luke, 248 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: in five years, well have you playing theaters on a 249 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: tour bus and you'll be making seven figures And I 250 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: can I can guarantee that in five years because I 251 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: saw so many bands do it and with just with fans, 252 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: and UM, He's like, okay, if you can do that, 253 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're my manager, let's go. And that's kind 254 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: of how the whole thing started in the beginning. And 255 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: and we did that. You know, we really stayed focused 256 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: on on the fan base. And that's all we really 257 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: focus on is how do we affect the bootleggers, the 258 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: which is which is what we call his fan base. UM, 259 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: and uh, it works fans first, That's all we really 260 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: focus on. UM. When it comes down to it is 261 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: how does it affect the fan? So you're living in California, 262 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: you go to Georgia to do this. Were you already going, 263 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: all right, I gotta get to Nashville Or was it 264 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: after that night with Luca? After with Luke and he said, 265 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: if you want to be my manager, you have to 266 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: live in Nashville. Was he living in Nashville the time 267 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: he was he was already here. How quick did you move? Uh? 268 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: It took me six weeks. In six weeks, so you go, yeah, 269 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: I got this new artists, Let's be honest. If you're 270 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: just managing an artist, you're not making any money. I'll 271 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: just talk from the experience with my manage awards in 272 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: your mouth. My management makes fifteen percent of what I make. 273 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: If I'm making zero of what I make is zero zero, 274 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: So that's you moving to Nashville. Did you have some 275 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: money saved up? I had a little bit of saved up. 276 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: And when when Luke and I sat down, I remember 277 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: the first time, sitting in his apartment around you know, 278 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: the glass table with the four wrought iron chairs in 279 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: his in his apartment. I said, Man, what's the most 280 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: important thing for you? And he's like, man, I really 281 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: hate driving to these rights I'm in and this old 282 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: Dodge Neon that I had, and it was it's I 283 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: don't want to. In fact, I parked and walk two 284 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: blocks in the heat, and I was like, look, I 285 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: won't take a dime from you until you're making money 286 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: and we can buy you a car. So what we 287 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: would do is after every run, any extra money we 288 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: had left over, we would put into a bank bag 289 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: that lived inside a coffee can that lived in his kitchen, 290 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: and that's what we We stacked cash in there. And 291 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: then the rest of the time I was just using 292 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: my money, uh to live off of or fund whatever 293 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: we needed if we needed extra hotel rooms or we 294 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: didn't make enough money that night for gas in the van. 295 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I just came out of my pocket and 296 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: did it. And because I wasn't going to give up. 297 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference of becoming a manager 298 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: at forty two years old and already having and living 299 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: a life. I was like, I'm I'm all in on 300 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: this guy because I'm okay to fail, because I'm I'm 301 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: ready to make this happen. So I'm gonna go all 302 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: in and um. I eventually it was April, so this 303 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: I was September. It was April. I was sleeping on 304 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: my couch because I was running out my room in 305 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: this house that I had in East Nashville that I 306 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: was living in. UM that was it was a hovel, 307 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: but it's all I could afford. Um I had somebody 308 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: living there to help me pay from a bill. So 309 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: I was sleeping on my couch. I was now forty 310 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: three years old, sleeping on my couch driving the van. 311 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: I had sold everything that I could sell to have money. 312 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: And what I would do every night as I would 313 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: go to the green room and I would take a 314 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: merch bin in there. But it wasn't a merch bin. 315 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: It was my food stash. Because I would take the 316 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: food out of the green room the funyans and the 317 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: bottled water and whatever we had and put it in 318 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: there so I had food to eat because I couldn't 319 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: afford anything because I had to describe everything together so 320 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: we could make it. And um, I remember getting there 321 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: and we had enough money to buy Luke the car. 322 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: And I never once was like he never knew any 323 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: of this, Like I didn't let him know where where 324 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: it stood financially. I was late on my rent. I 325 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: was late, I was all my credit cards were past 326 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: to do. Um it was. I was like I was 327 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: sitting there one night. I was like, I'm like almost 328 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: rocking back and forth, you know. Um, I was like, 329 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: this he has it. I know he does. I know 330 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. And end we bought them the car. 331 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: It was a Ford Fusion. The very next week we 332 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: got an offer to play a show um in the 333 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Outer Banks at an a TV park for ten thousand dollars. 334 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: I was like wow. And then the week after that 335 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: we got a private for ten thousand dollars, so instantaneously 336 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I made three thousand dollars and I was like, this 337 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: is gonna work because you've got the truck. So now, 338 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: which is by the way, let me just stop you 339 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: before we go forward, for you to go, I'm not 340 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: taking any money until you're able to not only make 341 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: a little money for yourself, but to pay off this 342 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: first part of what can make your dream. I haven't 343 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: heard of such thing unless it's buy someone who has 344 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of money, and it is 345 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: pretty rich to do that. Like I've heard of some 346 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: friends of mine that are athlete managers or business They 347 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: can do that and they can go, hey, listen, I 348 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: got four other clients there. There are millionaires. I won't 349 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: take a dime until you But you weren't doing that. 350 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Do you don't have anything? You were taking nothing while 351 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: you had nothing. You believe that much. I've never stopped 352 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: believe me, And I know you believe now, and I 353 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: know you believe darly. But I've had things in my 354 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: career where I'm like, I'm so for sure this and 355 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm my head's down and I'm not stopping. And I 356 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: never stopped. However, there were times where it got to 357 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: be so questionable. I was like, am I delusional that 358 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: I believe so much? Because I do believe in certain things. 359 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: I've done so much, But there are times where there's 360 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: so much pushback where I start the question if I'm crazy? 361 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Did you have a question if you were crazy? My 362 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: parents questioned me, I think very early on, They're like, 363 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: are you sure you want to do this? Like, are 364 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: you sure you want to give up a fifteen year career? 365 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: I know my brother was the same way, are you 366 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: sure you want to do this? Now? They see it, 367 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: but I mean, I think it's different when you're standing 368 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: there in a room and you're watching people pour their 369 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: hearts out and there and what they're doing and in 370 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: in in the connection that Luke had with the fans, 371 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: and I saw it so early on. I was like, 372 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: this is real, Like you you cannot create this no 373 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: matter what. And I was like, it's gonna happen. It's 374 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: just gonna I just have to weather the storm. And 375 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't know whatever the higher power is, it's out 376 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: there said I'm going to test you and if you 377 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: don't break, I'm gonna reward you. And I never broke. 378 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: So when did the record labels? And then? What was 379 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: was that just fury? It was everybody after Luke at once? 380 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Or was it one and then one season it's cool 381 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: and comes after it? How did that go. Well. You know, 382 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: we signed with the River House UM, which is Lenn 383 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: Oliver and Lynn and I are friends from years and 384 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: years and years ago, and I took her the music 385 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: and she heard it and she loved it. So she 386 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: signed the Looke to an independent deal and then she 387 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: was distributing it through thirty Tigers. And then as it 388 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: started to pick up momentum and it got some some 389 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: some radio play and then everything started to kind of 390 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: snowball from there because they started recognizing it and it 391 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: started to stream and um, and people started to like 392 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: perk up a little bit because we didn't play any 393 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: shows in town. You know, the big first show that 394 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: we did in town was Whiskey Jam Anniversary show. And 395 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: then after that show, um, because of the the pickup 396 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: we had from the early independent stuff that we had 397 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: done with the radio and everything like that, and people 398 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: paying attention then that been, there was a bunch of 399 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: A and R people there. Um. Actually Bo Martinovich was 400 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: there from from Sony and actually sent a video that 401 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: night were basing a hurricane too to the Sony team. 402 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: They decided to have conversations. We had conversations with three 403 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: labels in the very beginning, and it became very very 404 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: quick and and and hot and fast, and um we 405 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: opted to go with Sony and it was it was 406 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: a great opportunity. Were you leveraging because anytime anybody bidding 407 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: on me, we've always leveraged, right, you know what? And 408 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: at that point we really didn't. And that's not one 409 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: of the things that I do very well. I'm not 410 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: a big leverager in that in the in the sense 411 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: that I'm very transparent. In fact, I'm working on a 412 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: deal right now for one of my other artists that 413 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: I just sent like They're like, well, how much do 414 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: you have invested in this artist already? And I was 415 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: like hundred six dollars and they're like, oh wow. I 416 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, here, I've me seeing the spreadsheet instead 417 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: of like bumping it or patting it or anything like that. 418 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm not a I'm not a giant 419 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: leverage person. But but for example, yes, there's a little 420 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: deal happening with me a few years ago, two years ago, 421 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: right one of the major streaming companies said, whoall give 422 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: you one dollar? Well, then I go over to IR 423 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: and go, well, they're offering me one dollar Like this 424 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: is leverage too, So can you beat one dollar? And 425 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: they're like, well, yes we can, Well then it's satis. 426 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: We'll just call it another that, Jeff, A little bit 427 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: of that happened. But I think, you know, the really 428 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: the reason we went with Sony and the and the 429 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: biggest thing that that really made that over the other 430 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: two was the relationship that they wanted to have with 431 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: Luke Um and the relationship they wanted to have with us. 432 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: So like, I think that was what really wanted out. 433 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: But no, it didn't get into a giant bidding war 434 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: at all, it really didn't. They Sony came very honest 435 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: and straightforward from the from the beginning. And you know, 436 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: we had already had Hurricane out there, so they they 437 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: also had to be ready just to pick up and 438 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: go with what we had already done and flip it 439 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: and and take it from there. And they did. Did 440 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: they use the exact track, did they do anything? Say 441 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: that they took it? Was that part of the deal 442 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: to like, hey, we know kind of what we was 443 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: already done. It was already done, so we were able 444 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: to deliver a full project to them, completely finished. And 445 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: then you know, it hard to argue anything when you 446 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: when you are Luke and you're delivering the songs and 447 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: they're doing what they're doing and having the reaction that 448 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: they are. Now, we do absolutely listen. I mean, originally 449 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: we were going to release Hurricane into one number a 450 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: way and they came back and said, hey, would you 451 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: mind releasing Hurricane into when it rains it pours? We 452 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: think it would be a better play. And and Luke listens. 453 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean that that's the beauty of who he is 454 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: is he wants to hear great feedback, and we did 455 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: and then we um, we released it that way. Then 456 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: we came to one number away and it and it worked. 457 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Is it to the point now where you have so 458 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: many offers to do so many things? That's hard to 459 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: keep up with for Luke? Absolutely, it's it's getting that 460 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: way for Nico and getting that way for Haley. Um. Yeah, 461 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy. I mean, we have a full 462 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: team surrounding Luke. Um We. I talked with Luke every 463 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: Wednesday at ten am to go over a plethora of 464 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: of of asks and unfortunately I have to say no 465 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: a lot because if I did everything, the guy would 466 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: not have a personal life. You understand, how that is. 467 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You probably get asked for so 468 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: many things too. You're like, guys, if I say this, 469 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: I I literally can't do anything else in my personal life. 470 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: So we have to be very selective now, which means 471 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: I have to be a no guy um, which I 472 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: hate being because I'm I'm I'm a pleaser um as 473 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: a person. But the most important person I have to 474 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: protect on my artists, right, So I have to say 475 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: no a lot. Yeah, there's a point, and it's a 476 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: great point. And I've get to experience behind a couple 477 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: of years ago where you went and I went from 478 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: begging for for yes for people to say yes to me. 479 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm just like please, please, please, to now it's hard 480 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: to say no. But you have to go from begging 481 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: to yes is to figuring out which nos are important 482 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: to say no to now. And I could definitely see 483 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: that being a thing with Luke. And by the way, 484 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: you congratulates love Nico like I. I love Nico like 485 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: that guy. I can't be around him enough and he 486 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: is and he's also really good. And that's the thing. 487 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Both of these artists are surprising in that way because 488 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: and I'll say one more thing about Luke with Nico 489 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: triggered this thought. With Luke, you know, as songs are good, 490 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: but when he sings in person and then listen, I 491 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: had the luxury of kind of getting to know Luke 492 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: early too, you know, and having him on the show, 493 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: and you did, and so he's he is such a 494 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: great singer, not just a yeller or a guy with 495 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: big fun songs. I don't think he gets credit for 496 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: how pure of a singer he is because of his 497 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: songs and his image. But the guy can sing with 498 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: anybody like he could. He could sit with Shay and 499 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: sing with Shay. Well, he's a choral and he came 500 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: up as a chorus kid, you know, so he's been 501 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: singing his whole life. You know, when you come up 502 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: through chorus, you learned to really sing. And he was 503 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: in an a cappella group, you know. So Luke has 504 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: been a core singer his entire life. So I thank 505 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: you for saying that, because I think what's funny is 506 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: when you when you strip him down and you you 507 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: put him there with just him and a guitar and 508 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: you really let him be vulnerable, you really get to 509 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: see it, like it takes you back and you're like, wow, 510 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty amazing. Was that the kind of the 511 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: the idea of doing better together like it was done? No, 512 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: you know what I know, and I wish I I 513 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: wish I had the thing. You know, Luke is, you know, 514 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: is in there, like he's really into the into the 515 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: the production of what he does, and he has an 516 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: idea of what he wants to do, and you know, 517 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: when he works with his producers, they'll come up with ideas. 518 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm glad we did better Together that 519 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: way because it lit it let his voice shine and 520 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: all the award shows that we did, we did on 521 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: Billboard and we did another one, uh, and it was 522 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: really awesome to let that moment shine so people could 523 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: really see because I think a lot of people hide 524 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: behind um or they think they hide behind production um. 525 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: And when you get it that raw where it's just 526 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: a piano and a vocal, you can't hide behind that. 527 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: And it's really amazing to see that because then you 528 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: get all the critics out there there like, man, that 529 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: Luke holmbs really thing. Yeah, I mean, and again I'm 530 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: at the luxury of haven't been around him singing, you know, 531 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: for me to you and know that. And I'm always 532 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: kind of like dag, I wish people really knew, like 533 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: how pure of a singer right in the studio when 534 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: he comes into the studio and sits and sings in 535 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: right in front of you, right or we did. He 536 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: can't play a show with us at the rheman and 537 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: he say that on stage, and I'm just like, holy crap, 538 00:23:53,240 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. But in Nique Go, which triggered that, 539 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: like Nico is obviously walks on the room. He kind 540 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: of owns the room by his presence and his smile, 541 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: just how delightfully write his teeth. He's just he's just 542 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: a smiling, happy guy. And he looks like he would 543 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: be total like emo or or sad because he's covered 544 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: in tattoos and he's wearing all black. But all of 545 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, he makes the row happier. Dude. It's the 546 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: weird the weirdest thing. He exudes it. And but his 547 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: The crazy about Nico is he changed his real name 548 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: to Nico Moon. He that's him. That's that, That's who 549 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: he is, like, that's and you know the funny thing 550 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: is I was originally supposed to manage him back in 551 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight nine, and he ended up signing 552 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: UM with Southern Ground, which is the Zach Brown Group, 553 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: and ended up going with them to be UH managed 554 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: by a company called Roar back then. So Nico was 555 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: gonna be my actually my first client I ever managed 556 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: years ago and it kind of fell through. And I 557 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: remember seeing at my at my table in my kitchen 558 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: and drawing out like the same technique that I used 559 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: with Luke, which I called it concentric touring, and I 560 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: drew it on a napkin and showed Niko. I was like, 561 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna use this and it's how we're gonna break 562 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: you and stuff like that, and then it never happened. 563 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: I did the same thing with Luke. I was like, well, 564 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: it didn't work here, so ten years later, I'm gonna 565 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: try it again. And it worked with Luke. So that 566 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: was like the the idea. But that's Nico and I. 567 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: You know, when when I got the call years later 568 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: to talk with him about management because he was taking 569 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: management meetings UM, I was like, well, here's another chance, 570 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: let's try it again, and it ended up working for 571 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: the betterment for both of us. Let's play a clip 572 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: of a good time, so everybody can be reminded. We're 573 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: just trying to catch it good time with you know, 574 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: the song he was talking about there were, you know, 575 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: real drums on it, and he was like, you know what, 576 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: this isn't me. I mean, that's kind of a ballsy 577 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: decision to make and in country music to go. You know, 578 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I think I want some electric drums on there. Um. 579 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: When a decision like that is made and has to 580 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: do with a song that could possibly be a single, 581 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you get called in are you are you? 582 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: You know what, Bobby, I don't. I'm not a musician 583 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: at all. I cannot play anything I can do even 584 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: play a tamburine and the scant um. So what I 585 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: do is I listened like a fan um, which I 586 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: think sometimes it's just as good as being somebody that 587 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: can critically hear something like, oh that should be a 588 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: half step higher or lower. I can't do any of that. 589 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: So when I heard it, In fact, when I heard 590 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Nico's music for the first time, I heard the song 591 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: way back and I was like, I love this because 592 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: I mean I grew up as a kid listening to 593 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: Uh black Hawk and in w a so as just 594 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: like he talked about having outcast and Alan Jackson I 595 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: did the same thing. So I came from a very 596 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: diverse musical fan background and when I heard way back, 597 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: I was like, this is I'm all in on you. 598 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: So we knew it was gonna be tough. But you know, 599 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: we also know that the format is opening up so 600 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: wide now, and you have artists like a Loop Combs, 601 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: and then you have artists like Dan and Shay, and 602 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: then you have artists like Walker Hayes, and then you know, 603 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: back to Chris Stapleton, you have such a wide swath 604 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: that luckily our genre is becoming more and more welcome 605 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: to wider sounds. And that's why it was so fun 606 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: to have Niko in there. But yes, that was it 607 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: a struggle, absolutely, and and and getting cert people to 608 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: um understand it. But you know, when the majority of 609 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: them meet Niko and they understand him, and they see 610 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: the show, the fan reaction and in in the reaction 611 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: that he has with them, um, it's undeniable. And then 612 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, wow, I get it, 613 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: I understand what's going on in his stage presence is amazing. 614 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know a lot about Nico. UM. I remember 615 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, meeting Rod Phillips, who runs Iron Country. Him 616 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: and I have been together in one form another for years, right, 617 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: so we're extremely close personally and professionally. And I remember 618 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: before Luke Combs, Luke was was on the Verge. Him 619 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: and I had a talk in a meeting in a 620 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: board room and it's like, who is it going to be? 621 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: And it was easily there was easily gonna be Luke's 622 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: and Yes came on the show that morning and remember 623 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: you made me cry? You cried. I do remember that vividly. Um, 624 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: it seems like a lifetime ago, honestly without but with Nico, 625 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: I was we were in the room and I heard 626 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: some Nico just his music. Didn't know what he looked like, 627 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: and Rod was like, what do you think. I was like, 628 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him, Like, I don't know 629 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: he goes well, but he's playing it the I heart. 630 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: There's there there's a meeting where eybody Music summit and 631 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: I saw Niko play at that music summit and I 632 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's the guy who goes Yeah, we've 633 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: already he's a no't matter what you say anything, We've 634 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: already made him on the verge. And I was like, oh, 635 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: I get it now though, I mean now that you're 636 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: right once you see, once you see him play, if 637 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: you haven't been convinced, you're like, oh yeah, like I 638 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: get it now. And that's what it was for me 639 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: with Nko because I'm just hearing songs all the time, 640 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, I had I don't really have a relationship 641 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: with Scott boar shot at. I mean almost none back 642 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: when I first moved here kind of a little bit. 643 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: But I don't have a relationship Scott. And but we 644 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: everybody has. Everybody sell a number in town. And he 645 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: signed an artist named Tiara, who is an artist that 646 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I've had on the show and that I've had to 647 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: do some stuff here. And I told him recently, I said, hey, 648 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: nothing moves me anymore because by nothing, I mean almost nothing. 649 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: Like I'm so jaded and I've heard everything I said. 650 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: But when I heard Tiara, I went, holy crap, like 651 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: there is something about her that really makes me, like, 652 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: gives you a little twings. Yeah, But that was the 653 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: same thing with Nico. Whenever I got to experience that 654 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: that Nico. What about Nico to you was a guy 655 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: that you want to invest your time and your money 656 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: is well. The work ethic is there, you know. Um, 657 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the passion that he has for what he does and 658 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: the way that he does it. You know, he writes 659 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: everything with Anna, his wife. That's a family affair. Um. 660 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: He wants nothing more than to um to be an artist, 661 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: and he wants to bring happiness to people. And you know, 662 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: I guess being a jaded person myself and many things 663 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: over the years of people like doing me wrong or 664 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: or or seeing things go wrong. I want to do good, 665 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, and having Nico around and doing what he's 666 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: doing just like Luke does. I mean, I'm so blessed 667 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: that I've picked such great artists to let me work 668 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: with them. Um, they all are good people. And then 669 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: when I saw when when Nico and I and I 670 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: he played in the music and then he's like he's like, 671 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: oh yeah, let me let me show you this. And 672 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: he sat with a guitar. It was just him in 673 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: a guitar. Nico can sing too, like a lot of 674 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: people don't know that. They think he hides behind his tracks. 675 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: Also not even close. I mean, you get the guy 676 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: a guitar and let him just do his thing, and 677 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: he does that in the show now he's like, I'm 678 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: gonna show people. So he walks up with this an 679 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: acoustic guitar and does his thing. But um, I guess 680 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, I just really like working with artists that 681 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: are like super positive and and and want to work 682 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: hard and and that's where I'm at and I'm luckily 683 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: every single on minor like that. What about haleywood Man? 684 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, the funny thing is I worked with Haley 685 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: and I didn't know this. Back in two thousand and fifteen, 686 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: Haley opened up for three shows in US in the Carolinas. 687 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: It was Anderson, South Carolina, Darlington in another city. And 688 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember this, but Haley told me when I 689 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: was interviewing with Haley two years ago to be your manager. 690 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: She had narrowed it down to myself and Matt Graham, 691 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: who co manager, and in another manager. And she finally 692 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: called and said, Hey, I'm it's YouTube. I want you 693 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: guys to manage me. And I was like wow. I 694 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: was like, what was the deciding factor? She goes, I 695 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: opened up three loop Comb shows. You walked me to 696 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: and from my car every night. You walked me to 697 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: and from the backstage area to to the green room, 698 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean from the green room to the stage, which 699 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: was not much of it as a bar, and you 700 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: made sure I had water on stage every night, and 701 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: you made sure that my merch was taken care of, 702 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: and you settled the show for me if nobody else 703 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: did that. You were super sweet the entire time and 704 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: you had no reason to be. And she's like, that 705 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: was one of the deciding factors that pushed it over 706 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: the edge. And be like, if you were that nice 707 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: to me back, then, imagine what you're gonna be like 708 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: to me now and uh and uh, And that's kind 709 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: of where we are. And I mean I talked to 710 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: her every day. I just I literally hung up with 711 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: the phone with her. Els point, do you drive away? Well, 712 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: what a buzz on her? Though now too, it's you know, 713 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: I would imagine that sometimes you have to decide which 714 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: which avenue of the buzz you want to go down? Yeah, 715 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: and in in in this town or I guess with 716 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: your artists you really want to go down. You want 717 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that the credibility side is really cemented 718 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: tough before you go for any commercialism, because you know, 719 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: the credibility is the one thing that you can have. 720 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: And then gain commercialism. If you have a ton of commercialism, 721 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to get credibility. So um, I mean I 722 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I can't even recall somebody that 723 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: that went full commercial and then was like, oh, this 724 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: guy is super credible too. So UM, with Haley, I 725 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing we want to do is just 726 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: have her put her music out. When she wrote the 727 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: Dream and did it all on her own with Jake 728 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: and and her her now fiance and her producer, and 729 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: they put that record out, the entire town buzzed about 730 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: the sound. And then you know, I have to say 731 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: that the team at Big All Loud, you know, Seth 732 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: and And and Nicole Galleon and Songs and Daughters and 733 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: that whole team raised their hand immediately and said we 734 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: want in on this project. And we did an exit 735 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: in show right before COVID hit. I was like, I 736 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: had to miss the show. I was in Europe with 737 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: Luke Um when that all happened, and we had to 738 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: come back and Hayley was doing her show here and um, 739 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: it went over great And I got a tech from 740 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: Seth when I landed said we're in offers coming and 741 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: that's how fast it happened and the fast, but she'd 742 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: been here for twelve years and that's the truth. Yeah, 743 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: you know you you say something um that I think 744 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: you know pretty poignant and that the credibility has to 745 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: be there before the commercialism comes, which I think though 746 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: can be extremely frustrating. I speak and as what I 747 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: would call for a long time, I broke artist myself. 748 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: That's kind that's frustrating because you're going I go back 749 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: some money, like I need to make money, I need 750 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: to pay bills, and not only that, I'd like to 751 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: have a nice car like but it is more of 752 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: an investment in the future that the spoils that could 753 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: come then what you can get now. And I would 754 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: think that's a difficult conversation to have with people. Were like, 755 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: stay poor for a minute, because if you stay poor 756 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: and be credible, you can pick what you do later on. 757 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: That's why you have a good business manager. So in fact, 758 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: Luke and Haley have the same business manager and uh 759 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: and he's amazing like that, but that's what they do. 760 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: They say, Look, if you wait one more year and 761 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: do this this way, you can have three times what 762 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: you're looking for. Um. But yeah, you have to do that, 763 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: and you know at that point to body and you 764 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of them are so poor they know 765 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: how to stay poor for a little bit longer. And 766 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: what you have to do is you have to reel 767 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, even though there's money in your 768 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: account right now, that money is already spent, so you 769 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: can't look at that. So, you know, working that way. 770 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: But you know, Haley was here for twelve years before 771 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: she got a record deal. You know, um, you know 772 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: some people come to town and in three months can 773 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: get a record deal. Um. But you know, we worked 774 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: really hard to have Hailey as a as a credible artist, 775 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: and we want to build evergreen careers. If you want 776 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: an evergreen career or do you want you know, um, 777 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, a three or four year career. You know, 778 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: like a pop some pop artists only come around you're 779 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: a little bit and they're gone. So we don't want that. 780 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: Like I always use the analogy with my artist, you're 781 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: either going to be a C one thirty or a 782 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: rocket ship. See when thirty takes a lot longer to 783 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: get off the ground, but once we get up in 784 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: the air, we can gas up in the air and 785 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: keep going. When you're a rocket ship. You go up 786 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: and you either make it in the orbit or you 787 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: don't and you come crashing back down to Earth. So 788 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: you have to decide what do you want to be, 789 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: or you can be like Luke Combs and you're a 790 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: C one thirty and then they strapped four rockets to 791 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: your wings. Light on my fire and did you just 792 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: get going? How has he done with boom? You're extremely famous? 793 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Real quick? He is the exact same guy. There's I mean, 794 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: there is literally nothing that has changed from Luke Combs 795 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: other than he lives from an apartment in hermitage to 796 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: a house where he lives now. Um, he's the exact 797 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: same fellow. I mean, he the guy will give you 798 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: the shirt off his back. Um. He does things for 799 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: people all the time. And there's so much stuff that 800 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: he's done that nobody even knows about. Um, and he 801 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 1: does it out of the goodness of his heart. He's 802 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: just he's a mensch. Was there ever a time where 803 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: you had the conversation of we're just gonna wear Columbia's shirts. 804 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: You don't need to look like I mean, did either 805 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: one of you have that with the other and go, hey, 806 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: what do we do, like do I just say the 807 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: same and never change or we we had that. It 808 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: was very early on. So like, you know, both of 809 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: us were big guys and we're both riding around together, 810 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: and we were both wearing Columbia stuff because their stuff 811 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: fits bigger guys really well. It's very boxy. And the 812 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: other thing too, is we were playing and we were 813 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: going from bar to bar to bar, staying in like 814 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, choice hotels or or or holiday and expresses, 815 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: and I would literally be able to take that shirt 816 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: and I could wash it in the sink, hang it 817 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: up to dry, and in thirty minutes it was show ready. 818 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons why. And when you're 819 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: playing in those rooms where you're under those park Hans 820 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: back in the day that are like it's like a 821 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: microwave oven. He could sing and play in that and 822 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: move and the shirt wouldn't stick to him. So we 823 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: decided just to keep doing that. And it was just 824 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: very easy. And especially when you're on the road and 825 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to package giants suitcase full stuff, you 826 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: can just grab four of those shirts and throw them 827 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: into a bag. And you know, that's how we started. 828 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: And I just reached out to Columbia one day with 829 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: through an email to their corporate headquarters and to their 830 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: sea level executives and said, Hey, this guy is playing 831 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: every night and wearing your stuff. Can we get some 832 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: free gear? Like sure? And that's how the whole thing started. 833 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: And now is that a bigger thing? Yeah? Yeah, he's 834 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: an ambassador. Uh yeah, I mean I would imagine he 835 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: has to have to share the company. Now, you used 836 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: to work on Festive. You talking about festivals and cruise 837 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: ships and you know you mentioned John Mayre and Kid 838 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: Rock read three eleven, you mentioned Paramore. How long would 839 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: you stay out on the ocean at a time. There 840 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: was a point at one time that I was out 841 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: for twenty five days on cruise ships, and we would 842 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: just flip the ship, you know, every five days, and 843 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, we would come into port, dump them, and 844 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: then go back out. And in that time frame of 845 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: that three hours, we would take all the branding down 846 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: for one event, so like let's say Paramour, and then 847 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: we would turn around throw all the branding up for 848 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: Kiss and we would just move the people back and 849 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: forth and then go out again. Um. And I did 850 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: that for fifteen years. I ended up doing eighty five 851 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: full ship charters. When I had finally left, How did 852 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: you have a life on land? It was lucky so 853 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: my All the ships were done in the in the wintertime, 854 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: so it was all from November to February. And then 855 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: when we were back on land, I was setting up 856 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: all the relationships. So I worked with all the brand 857 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: UH partners, and then on board, I worked with all 858 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the artists in their in their in their teams on board, 859 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: and I was like one of the hosts, Like I 860 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: was gone stage and I was welcoming people and running 861 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: the games and that kind of stuff. And um, that's 862 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: what we would do the whole time. But I spent essentially, 863 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, UH, twelve ships or ten at the end 864 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: when I left, it was I was I think it 865 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: was twelve a year on the water and um. And 866 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: the thing is is the reason why I ended up 867 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: leaving to go work with Luke is because I wasn't 868 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: challenged anymore. I could deal with anything. Because everything we've 869 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: ever seen on the cruise ship short of a five 870 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,959 Speaker 1: or a rogue wave, UM, I dealt with everything else. 871 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: So UM, there was no challenge. It was kind of 872 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: like I was just phoning it in and then I 873 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: met Luke and I was like I felt energized again. 874 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I get to drive 875 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: the van. I'm gonna sell merch. I'm like, I'm gonna 876 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: like I was. I mean, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday was manager Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 877 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: I was tour manager. Uh merch guy like mixing ears 878 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: on my phone from the merch table, like they're pointing 879 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: at me, like you know, pointing up and down. Um. 880 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: And then Sunday I'd come back, I'd pay everybody and 881 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: then you know, put the money away and start again 882 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: Monday morning and I was energized again, Like I loved it. 883 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, a challenge. And and that's 884 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: where I just I went crazy and I was just 885 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: like I'm so happy again. Before you you know, had 886 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, a company and and tenny artists you have 887 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, I have twelve artists and fourteen employees. So 888 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: before that version of you, whenever you're just managing and 889 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: you're you're you're really catching on as a manager. What 890 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: is a day like as a manager of an artist? 891 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: And like a Wednesday, I can give you a like today, 892 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's a breakfast, meeting first with somebody here 893 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: in town eight am, like somebody like you're thinking about signing, 894 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: or somebody that you know. Yeah, I'll go in through 895 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: my full day. Alarm goes off at four am. Okay, 896 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: so I'm up at four, make coffee, let the dogs out, 897 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: spend thirty minutes with nothing on and just enjoying a 898 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: cup of coffee. You don mean clothes and clothes on, 899 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: pair of underwear. Nobody wants to see that money. Um. 900 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: So I enjoy a nice cup of coffee. Like I said, 901 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: I live on the Cumberland reverse, so I get to 902 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: enjoy that in the morning, watch the sun come up. 903 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: And then I start reading Twitter for an hour and 904 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: I type in all my artists name and I read 905 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours of Twitter because that gives 906 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: me a pulse of what's kind of going on. Um. 907 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: And then I started answering emails and I get get 908 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: to a good point. So I have to be below 909 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: ten emails every day when I finished the day, or 910 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: and when I go to start the day, with all 911 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: the emails that coming overnight, I filed them down and 912 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: I start my day. Then I went and met with 913 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: another manager here in town this morning. So I try 914 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: to meet with a manager that I've never met before 915 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: every month because that's it helps me increase my network. 916 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: And nobody would with me early on. So it's kind 917 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: of like my my giveback. I want to give back 918 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: to the to the industry. So I meet with the 919 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: manager that I don't know. Uh. I met with a 920 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: great guy today. We had a great conversation. I went 921 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: straight from there, UH, did a phone call at right 922 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: to my office, started working there. I've had four conference 923 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: calls today and then I'm coming over here, and then 924 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm leaving here. I'll jump back on my phone and 925 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: then I'll be on it until probably about seven o'clock tonight. 926 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: What are these conference calls about? Not specifically, but as 927 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: this sure like, So we had a call today about 928 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,959 Speaker 1: Luke's routing, uh to a routing we got with our agent, 929 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: Aaron Tannebaum. And UM, then I'll have I had a 930 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: call with a promoter. UM, I had a call with 931 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: my team. I had a call with two of my 932 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: managers internally. So um, and then that doesn't include just 933 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: the random calls that just happened that I'm like, you know, 934 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, I had to change the auto responder on 935 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: my on my iPhone to say, um, I'm on a call, 936 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,959 Speaker 1: call you right back, or I'm in a meeting police 937 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: text like the ones, and then I have to go 938 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: back through those and return all those phone calls. At 939 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I also go to my 940 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: miscall page and to start calling everybody on there um 941 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: and and that's essentially what it is. It's no day. 942 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: Excuse me, no day ever goes as planned. Tom can 943 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: tell you that no day ever goes to planned. I 944 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: have I've never had a day go perfectly as planned. 945 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: And I'm usually canceling one, if not two things a 946 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: day every day. Something every dancel because of a fire, 947 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: because of a fire of some sort, because even if 948 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: it's not an artist fire, it might be an employee fire. 949 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: And you know, my employees are are one of the 950 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: most important things to me, um and if they have 951 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: a problem, I need to be there for them too. 952 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: Whenever you and Luke were traveling together, because Luke is 953 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: what thirty now and okay, did people ever think you 954 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: were like as older brother Dad? And this is what 955 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: Combs does. So Combs goes, he goes, that's not my dad, 956 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: he goes, that's my granddad. And I'm like, why do 957 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: you do that? And I almost made a shirt that 958 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: said not Luke's death, Yeah, not Luke's dad, but everybody. 959 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: So people would walk up to me and they'd be like, man, 960 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: is it fun to watch your son sing these sing 961 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: these songs? I'm like, man, do I look like is that? Like? 962 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: Biologically yes, I'm I'm eighteen years older than that, but no, 963 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. But yes, a lot of people think 964 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: that I'm his dad. The first time you heard him 965 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: play Hurricane, yes did you? Did you get it? I did? 966 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I got it? I was like, this is it. I 967 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: would watch those early videos of him playing at bars 968 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: and playing Hurricane and seeing the whole bar scam it 969 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: back to all This song almost got me fired. Why 970 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: the video shoot? The video shoot at Wild No, at 971 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: Coyote Joe's and Charlotte. We were doing the video shoot 972 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: and the video company gave me a megaphone and they're like, 973 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: all right, why don't you tell Luke what to do? 974 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, totally give me the megaphones. 975 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: So I'm doing. I'm like, all right, take seventeen of 976 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: Hurricane and he had to like you know he has 977 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: to do it. He goes take the microphone away and 978 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: get out of the building because I'm about to fire you. 979 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: Because he was because he because he was so because 980 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: because he's never done a video before, and like you're 981 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: having a mouth of the worst of your song. It's 982 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: seventeen time, and again you've dealt with this before. And 983 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: he threw me out of the building and I had 984 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: to go outside and he let me back in and 985 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, look, dude, I just had a moment. 986 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't like it was It wasn't like 987 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: a storry was like, you were kind of being annoying. 988 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: I just need to let you know that. I was like, yeah, 989 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 1: So from that point on, we understand how videos are shot. 990 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: And I don't say a word. What's your favorite Luke 991 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: song or one you heard it first and you were 992 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: just like, oh, god, dagn that's a good one. Well, 993 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: he gets mad at me all the times I asked 994 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: our requests for it. It It shows and everything, but it's 995 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,479 Speaker 1: every little bit helps. It's a it's a deep be cut, 996 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: it's it's my jam. I listened to it loud and proud, 997 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: and it's just it's such a fun song. Who do 998 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,959 Speaker 1: you like that you don't manage right now? That's that's 999 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: on the cusp or is a little more than the 1000 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: cusp now, but it's it's kind of happened in the 1001 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: last couple of years. Wow, that's a great question that 1002 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: you'd have been like, dang, if I could have just 1003 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: got them Wow. Wow, Give me a second and I'll 1004 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: come back to you on that. There's a lot of 1005 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great talent in this town right now. Um, 1006 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: I love you. Know what I love is I love 1007 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Davis and Zach Sutton, his manager and I are 1008 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: good buddies. I love a lot of what Jordan Davis does. 1009 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: Is there a thing because you're a pretty inspiring guy? 1010 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: I would say more than pretty, but well, thank you. 1011 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: I think you're an inspiring guy and have always just 1012 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: because of I'm a big, great guy, big tenacity guy. 1013 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: Like I think that's got me to where I am. 1014 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: Nothing else, it's just staying and fighting. Um, Like what 1015 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: inspires you? Like? What do you read or watch or 1016 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: what are you taking from to kind of keep that 1017 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: that that flame lit. Sometimes when it starts to dampen, 1018 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a There's a couple of things. One 1019 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: as I read, um, the Daily Stoic, which is essentially 1020 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: the teachings of Marcus Realius, and um, it's it's it's philosophy. 1021 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: It's very philosophical stuff. And I read that every day, UM, 1022 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: which helps. But you know, I think the biggest thing 1023 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: is I have two beautiful nieces, and you know, one 1024 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: day they're gonna put me in the ground. And when 1025 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: the people that weren't happy with me or done being 1026 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: unhappy with me and leave the funeral even though they 1027 00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: had to show up, you know, because they had to 1028 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: be there. Um, I want people to pull my nieces 1029 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: to the side and say, and your uncle was a 1030 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: great dude, and here's a story. And I want them 1031 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: to hear story after story after story because um, you know, 1032 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: one of the things that I've learned is that everybody dies. 1033 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: I just lost my father not too long ago, and UM, 1034 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: it really hit me kind of hard and it and 1035 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: it really brought mortality to me. Um. You know, I 1036 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: had I had weight loss surgery about um two years ago, 1037 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: and it was all because I was unhealthy. I had 1038 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: an unhealthy relationship with food and had a healthy relationship 1039 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: with myself and I need to make a change because 1040 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: I was going to die. And when I did that, 1041 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: I I started to have some very deep thoughts about 1042 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: who am I as a person? Am I leaving a 1043 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: good legacy behind? Am I? Am I? Am I doing 1044 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: good for people? Am I watching out for my employees? 1045 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: Am I doing all the all the all that I can? 1046 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: And I wasn't And I made a concerted effort to 1047 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: be better. And I think, um, if you can't look 1048 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: at yourself and call yourself out on your bad things, 1049 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: and I've had bad like tendencies and stuff like that, 1050 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: and I and I pre judge, and I did all 1051 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: that and I've worked very hard to not do that. 1052 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: And having my artists that are like they are like 1053 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: the Lukes and the Nicos and the Haleys and True 1054 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: Parker and everybody, they don't do that. They don't do that, 1055 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: And I learned so much from them. And so I'm 1056 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: just trying to be a better human man every day 1057 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,280 Speaker 1: and hopefully one day. UM. I think being a human 1058 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: is like being a musician. You're never perfect. You never 1059 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: can be perfect, but you can achieve perfection if you 1060 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: work hard enough at it. But you're never going to 1061 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: be a perfect person, and that's what I try to 1062 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: be every day. Man, I just try to I try 1063 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: to go for perfection as best I can. And I 1064 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: still screw up. Man. I still trip on my own feet. 1065 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: I still upset people, But I just try to pick 1066 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: myself up, dust myself off, and move on. A lot 1067 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: of new artists that listen to this podcast because it's 1068 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: very music centric and sometimes extremely business et centric. Music business, 1069 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: and then the question we always get is how does 1070 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: a new artists get discovered? So I'll ask you that 1071 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: as someone who's actually trying to discover new artists, like 1072 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: what what do you tell or what would you tell 1073 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: someone listen into this that thinks, all right, I want 1074 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: to do this, But how in the crap do I 1075 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: get someone to pay attention? Well, you know, luckily these 1076 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: days it's so much easier to get your music out 1077 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: to people, which is one thing, and then of course 1078 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: you can get your profile out the people. But I 1079 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: get inundated every day with messages of trying to like, 1080 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: please pay attention to me, please look at me, and 1081 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and you know, unfortunately I can't 1082 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: um see everything because then I wouldn't be able to 1083 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: focus on my artist and everything like that. So what 1084 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: I've done is, you know, I let my team bring 1085 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: everything in, so everybody in the company has the ability 1086 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: to bring an artist at the table. So everybody the 1087 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: works for you can say, hey, I found this artist 1088 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: and they're pretty good. Yes, everybody can bring somebody in 1089 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: and that, and that's very valuable. That's cool, and I'll 1090 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: tell you why. And I want I want to hear 1091 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: more of this. But I always say, if you want 1092 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: to get to the guy, you don't go to the guy. 1093 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: You go to the guys guy or the girls, girl 1094 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: and guy. I mean universally sire girl, because you know, 1095 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,919 Speaker 1: when people try to get stuff to me, like you, 1096 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: it's coming from every direction and it's like, what do 1097 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,959 Speaker 1: I grab? But if someone I trust, this's go who's 1098 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: not getting hit with everything and actually has some time 1099 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: to separate and listen and spend time. If someone I trust, 1100 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,359 Speaker 1: like Tom for example, both of them every great full moon, 1101 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: they'll go, hey, this person is really freaking good, Like, 1102 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: take a look at them, and maybe you want to 1103 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: let them open for you to put them on the 1104 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: radio show. I trust that because I know that they 1105 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: have the capacity to actually do that. And it's interesting 1106 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: you do that with your people. Have has Have your 1107 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: people brought you anyone? Yes, I have two right now 1108 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: that are brand new to to the team. A young 1109 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: man named Tyler Dial and a gentleman named Red shahn Um. 1110 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: Both of them are brand new and both came through artists. 1111 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm managers that are already with us. In fact, 1112 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: Red came through us through our merchandise person that works 1113 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: for us. We have a full time merch person that 1114 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: works for Mallory brought brought Red in. And then Alicia, 1115 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: who was Haley's day to day, brought Tyler in, and um, 1116 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: you know when I heard both of their music, I 1117 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I mean this is great. And I 1118 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: was like, well, if you guys are excited and and 1119 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: and now Alicia and I co manage on Tyler because 1120 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: I let all my managers have equity and all their artists. 1121 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: And then Red came on and then um, we ended 1122 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: up rolling him up under somebody else because Mallory just 1123 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: wants to do the merch side of it. And uh, 1124 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, we rolled him up under the flat Land 1125 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: Team Flatland Cavalry out of Texas and we brought them 1126 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: both on and we're excited about it. You know, we're 1127 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: very excited about it. And one thing that I love 1128 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: to do early on with all my artists is they 1129 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: all get a UM Artist Development Fund. UM I give 1130 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: up to them. They have fifty thou dollars and they 1131 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: can develop whatever they want. And I'm just like, look, 1132 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 1: here's the deal. I don't own your art that's your 1133 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: your masters or your masters. That's fine. I'll put them 1134 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: out and as soon as you pay me back, you 1135 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: get them free and clear. I'm not I'm not I'm 1136 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: not trying to be a record label. I'm trying to 1137 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: be your manager. And if you don't have the money, 1138 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: I don't want you to go to someone else and 1139 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: like an investor and you know, have to pay them 1140 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,439 Speaker 1: ten percent for the rest of your life. So I'll 1141 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: just do it. And it's it's you know, it's burned me, 1142 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: but UM. It's also given artists the opportunity to create 1143 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: whatever they wanted to and put it out there. And 1144 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, one thing that we did with Drew 1145 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: Parker and before we got the deal done at UM, 1146 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: now he's at Warner U. You know, he had recouped 1147 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: his entire thing. He was like done. He's like, here's 1148 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: on your money back. And I was like, all right, man, great, 1149 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: let's keep going. I want to play a little bit 1150 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: of Tyler dial here is hold you to it. I 1151 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: know we need it and not like to everything's just writing, 1152 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: dancing while I'm set with the bottom. So the guy 1153 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: like Tyler, how long? Like what's the forecast? When you 1154 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: tell him timing wise on doing what he wants to 1155 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: get done, you know, it's it's a little bit different. 1156 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: So with him, we were like, all right, we need 1157 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: you have songs written. He's like yes. I was like, 1158 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: let's go into the studio immediately, then let's go cut. 1159 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: And luckily he was during COVID, so we were able 1160 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,720 Speaker 1: to like I can't believe I just said, luckily during COVID, 1161 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: but um, we were able to go into a studio, 1162 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: cut the entire thing, get it done, and we were 1163 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: going to go release it. And we're very close to 1164 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: closing a record deal with him, um with a with 1165 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,959 Speaker 1: a l A label like way, it's out of town, 1166 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: it's not even it's not even here, and um, you know, 1167 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 1: he was very receptive and I think what I do 1168 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: is I sit down own and you know there's a 1169 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: guy named ship Um Gordon who is like my spiritual 1170 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: mentor chep, you know, managed Alice Cooper and a bunch 1171 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: of people like that. And I watched he has a 1172 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: show called super Mention. There's a documentary about him. So 1173 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: I watched this thing and he says this thing where 1174 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 1: he sits down with him. He looks him in the 1175 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 1: eye and says, if I do my job absolutely perfect, 1176 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: you will end up hating me because I'll make you 1177 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: the superstar. And I do something very similar. I sit 1178 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: down to him. I say, look, you're gonna have to 1179 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: work harder than me every day. I'm gonna push you. 1180 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna put a lot of stuff on your plate, 1181 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be many days you're gonna feel like breaking. 1182 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: But if you don't and you stick with it, you're 1183 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: gonna have a career. And that's the only goal is 1184 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: to make them have a career. Now, you know as 1185 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: well as I do, there is no guarantee in this business. 1186 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: But you can work super hard. And I've watched lots 1187 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 1: of great bands who were never on the radio have 1188 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: lifelong careers. Playing to three thousand people every night, having 1189 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: a very comfortable life and doing everything they wanted to 1190 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: without having the commercial success that you know that that 1191 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: they would have, like being on radio. And then I've 1192 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: had seen the other, the other side of it when 1193 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: all of that kind of comes together and it can 1194 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: really blow up. But you can have a fantastic career 1195 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 1: by never um, by never having that commercial acclaim that 1196 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: some people do have. Drew's on tour with Luke right 1197 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: now is Yes, here is Drew Parker while you're gone, 1198 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 1: you are dude star now just bi gigging with this baby, 1199 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: baby baby. I gotta imagine that just being on tour 1200 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 1: with Luke gives people cred. Yes, because they're going well 1201 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: with Luke vouches for him, I should probably like him 1202 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,479 Speaker 1: to guilty by association. Yeah, but when you see Drew, 1203 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: it's so funny because when you meet Drew, um, he 1204 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 1: is He's a very good, humble kid. You know, Drew 1205 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: moved to town. It was an X ray tech like 1206 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: talking about like doing whatever you can. He was an 1207 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: X ray tech and writing songs every day. So he 1208 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: was X ray tech three to four days a week 1209 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,239 Speaker 1: and then would go and write music and so to 1210 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: to make it and then you know, Drew, Drew finally 1211 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: made it and we got him the record deal and 1212 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: and it started to go. And then when you see him, 1213 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: and Drew's a very nice, uh well reserved gentleman. You know, 1214 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: he's he's a father, and and it's it's great. And 1215 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: when you put him on stage, it's like a switch. 1216 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's just it's crazy. And he just 1217 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: he puts everything out there and he leaves on stage 1218 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's so much fun to watch um and 1219 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 1: and that's why Luke loves him. And he you know, 1220 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 1: he wrote UM one too Many with Luke and and 1221 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,359 Speaker 1: Lonely One and then he wrote Forever after All. So 1222 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: you know he's a and he wrote Homemade for Jake 1223 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: Owen UM. So he's a great songwriter. But you know, 1224 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: as a performer, it's fun to watch him go out 1225 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:31,839 Speaker 1: there and do that. But yeah, you get a lot 1226 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: of that. But you know, with Luke, you get to 1227 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: go and and you you get a full house as 1228 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: the opener you're playing too. I mean we're scanning through 1229 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: of the room before the opener even starts, you know, 1230 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: because everybody's there for the experience. The entire show Um 1231 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: because they do believe in it. And this year we 1232 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: have Drew Um for half the tour and then Ray 1233 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: Fulture for half the tour, Ashley McBride the whole tour, 1234 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: and then Luke. So when you look at that lineup, 1235 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,399 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that's really awesome. The Drew Ashley Luke 1236 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: lineup we did two and a half years ago in 1237 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: clubs and theaters and then Luke brought him back because 1238 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: he loved him so much and he's like, we need 1239 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: a bigger, bigger Look. You mentioned Flatlank Cavalry. Yes, here 1240 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: is some things never change, flat lad instructions something commercially. 1241 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: What's a goal with the with the band like Flatlank Calvalry, Man, 1242 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing uh with them, Bobby, is 1243 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: I really want to bridge that Texas to Nashville gap. 1244 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: It's been such a chasm for so long that I'm 1245 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: really ready to do that. They they are some of 1246 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,439 Speaker 1: the nicest guys you've ever met. Um In the way 1247 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 1: that this thing, the whole whole thing happened is that 1248 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: we had a show in San Antonio and Morgan was 1249 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: was our direct support, but he couldn't play the show 1250 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: because we added the show and he had already had 1251 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: another commitment, so we had to find somebody else. So 1252 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: our agent, Aaron recommended these guys and I listened to 1253 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: one of their songs, like, these guys are great. Put 1254 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: him on the show. So they got on the show. 1255 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,760 Speaker 1: They they had a great show, and then I started 1256 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: listening to their music. Ended up talking to them. Found 1257 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,399 Speaker 1: out they had fired their manager the day. I called 1258 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: the tour manager to get an interview with them. He said, oh, 1259 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: that's weird. They just made me the manager thirty minutes ago. 1260 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, congratulations, if you need anything, 1261 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: call me. Three months later he calls me. We had 1262 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: a meal. Three months later, he says, hey, would you 1263 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: want to co manage these guys. I was like absolutely, 1264 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: I love their music. Flew to Texas, saw some shows. 1265 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: This is during COVID, so it was all half house 1266 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: shows and stuff like that. I met the guys super sweet, 1267 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, your music is amazing. There's a fiddle, 1268 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: it's very traditional country and stuff like that, and people 1269 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: are longing for that. When you have the you have 1270 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: everybody out there that's like like the Tyler Childers and 1271 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,360 Speaker 1: and the and the Sturgil Simpsons and in the Cody Jinks. 1272 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: You have that world out there and then you have 1273 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: like the Looke colmesy of the commercial country side of it. 1274 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: I think there's a great place for somebody like a 1275 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: Flatland cavalry to find their their space. Now, are are 1276 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: we going to hear them on country radio one day? 1277 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, and and maybe not, but we're okay 1278 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,839 Speaker 1: with that. So what we're doing is we're breaking them. 1279 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: And we played here in town and we did n 1280 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480 Speaker 1: fifty people at marathon at twenty bucks ahead. They have 1281 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: no radio or anything, but they have a lot of 1282 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz around them right now. So that's 1283 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: what we're working on. The music is fantastic. Luke wrote 1284 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,160 Speaker 1: the song A Cowboy Knows How. That was his song, 1285 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 1: and he gave it to them and they and they 1286 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: ended up recording it and making it their own. Um, 1287 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: we had Jake Gear produce it. So we had a 1288 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: lot of Nashville on the record, touching the record, but 1289 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: we said, you guys be you. They played on it, 1290 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,399 Speaker 1: like you know, in this town, everybody gets session guys 1291 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: to play on their music. The band played all they 1292 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,840 Speaker 1: did it all themselves. So that was really cool. But 1293 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: bringing them to town and letting them record here was 1294 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 1: really awesome. That there's the cowboy knows how He's now. Yeah, 1295 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,720 Speaker 1: Luke wrote that song three years ago with Jonathan Singleton 1296 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: and um and I think Dan Isabelle and uh they 1297 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: it never made a record, and UM, I always knew 1298 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,080 Speaker 1: that song was out there. I was like, hey, Luke, 1299 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: can these guys record that? And he's like, yeah, tell 1300 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 1: him to and they did and they made their record 1301 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: and it's a great song. Well we've spent about an 1302 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,800 Speaker 1: hour talking for someone who who hasn't done this. You 1303 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: ailed it. Well, you're such a such a treat to 1304 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, just be around. First of all, thank you, 1305 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,360 Speaker 1: but second of all, like you're great at this. You 1306 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: know it's awesome. You know you came in like I 1307 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 1: don't do this often. This is this was the greatest. 1308 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: Made it very easy. That was like that was that 1309 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 1: was a great conversation. I didn't do crap. Listen follow 1310 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: Cappy at Cappy with the k K A P P Y. 1311 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: You can also follow at Make Weake Artists. Uh, you're 1312 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: just killing it. It's it's just it's just great to see. 1313 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: It's inspirational to see it's not like you walked into 1314 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: something that was already built, like you built it yourself 1315 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 1: and you're building out from what you built. And I 1316 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: think that is uh motivating and inspiring and it just 1317 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: shows people that it can be done. Thank you, and 1318 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: you you have proven that again and again and again. 1319 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: And thank you for supporting the artists like you do, 1320 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: and you do a lot and we appreciate it. You know. 1321 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: The one thing that's changed about Jeff I do say 1322 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 1: so every time I see your watches get fancier, That's 1323 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: what it is. Every time I see that, Hey, that's 1324 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: how you know. Cappy is making a little better every 1325 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: time I samms watches get a little bit fancy. Yeah, 1326 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 1: all right, there he is caffy and there you go. 1327 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,560 Speaker 1: Thank you about it. M