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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar
Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March sixteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen, Episode number one, O eight. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the latest edition and most sensillating edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: Life in Nest, WBC Morgan Studios at the Star Free
Speaker 1: Agency is about to kick off. We've already had the
Speaker 1: initial tampering period, I guess is the best way to
Speaker 1: put it. But it's gonna kick off in Earnest this
Speaker 1: afternoon where people can actually put their names on the
Speaker 1: dotted line. And that's where it gets really interesting. We
Speaker 1: got so many storylines, so many storylines to talk about.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Nick Eatman, Camber Garcia. Dave's not
Speaker 1: with us today. He's out. I don't know doing what,
Speaker 1: but but he's not here today. So the three of
Speaker 1: us are gonna hold it down and We're going to
Speaker 1: get some opinions from these guys on the happenings around
Speaker 1: cowboy Land the last couple of days. Here, let's start
Speaker 1: first with obviously the biggest news that's happened in the
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. And Randy Gregory, let's start first. Nick,
Speaker 1: just this level set for everybody in your opinion, and
Speaker 1: you're as tight end as anybody. And I know you
Speaker 1: absolutely are because I know people you talk to. Give
Speaker 1: me a layout of what actually happened. Where Okay, where
Speaker 1: do we get from the beginning to kind of where
Speaker 1: we are now with Randy Gregory? And I'm about to
Speaker 1: start this, but before I do, there's no way we
Speaker 1: can do the show tomorrow like we're doing the show today. Well,
Speaker 1: I really like do the show tomorrow. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: We can always jump back on. I don't know that
Speaker 1: Amber will put up with us two times in the offseason.
Speaker 1: That'side in a contract, But yeah we can definitely, You
Speaker 1: and I can jump on there and we know what's
Speaker 1: on the contract. That's important, right, That's exactly right. I
Speaker 1: gotta stick to the Contractum, this is a it was
Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride. I don't know if it's over.
Speaker 1: But I mean because at four o'clock is like you said,
Speaker 1: that's when everything you know, that's when everything will be official,
Speaker 1: or that's what it first can be official, doesn't have
Speaker 1: you don't have to sign right right away. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how this thing goes. But I think what's happened
Speaker 1: here with Randy, this is what it looked like to me,
Speaker 1: is at the end of the day, and maybe even
Speaker 1: at the start of the day, he didn't really want
Speaker 1: to be in Dallas. Now, whether that's true or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, he's going to Denver,
Speaker 1: so like I think if he really wanted to be here,
Speaker 1: I think he would have. The problem that I have
Speaker 1: with all of this is that it sounds like Jerry
Speaker 1: got on the phone Monday night and had a long
Speaker 1: talk with Randy and really quoted was recruited the hell
Speaker 1: out of him. That's my problem. This guy stood by
Speaker 1: you for seven years, he's done, he's done that supports
Speaker 1: you when no one else did. He's offering you more
Speaker 1: than he's offering you what everyone else is offering. You
Speaker 1: signed lowball hometown discount. Why is this conversation not thirty seconds?
Speaker 1: That's my problem. It's done, Randy, Let's do this. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Let's get let's make this happen.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you have to recruit them, it
Speaker 1: hard to me that that's that was an issue number one.
Speaker 1: And then anything about the contract. My personal opinion is
Speaker 1: the agent who lives in Denver wanted his client to
Speaker 1: be in Denver, and I think they came up with
Speaker 1: this and maybe just stress this part about the language
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think it's a I don't think
Speaker 1: that was a big deal. It's a it's part of
Speaker 1: every contract. And I think they're just using something to say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, cowboys don't have faith in you now in
Speaker 1: all fairness, and I guess, and what I want to
Speaker 1: do is I want to make sure that that we
Speaker 1: talk about every side of this. I think the argument
Speaker 1: against that would be, well, it wasn't exactly the same
Speaker 1: contract because there was this language in there. And this
Speaker 1: is language that although it is very customary for Cowboys contracts,
Speaker 1: as we said, all Cowboys contracts seemingly have it in
Speaker 1: and except for des that being said, Denver wasn't putting
Speaker 1: it in the contract. So there was a depoint of
Speaker 1: differentiation in Denver, maybe he doesn't have that language. In
Speaker 1: Dallas he does, and that's maybe where they found a difference,
Speaker 1: and that was enough of a difference for them to
Speaker 1: want to make a different decision. I think that it
Speaker 1: goes back to probably and this is just my opinion,
Speaker 1: it goes back to what Nick was talking about the
Speaker 1: agent and kind of who do you have talking in
Speaker 1: your ear when you're at home, in your like personal space,
Speaker 1: personal trusting space, as opposed to, yeah, you have lived
Speaker 1: the relationship that you have with Jerry Jones and the cowboys,
Speaker 1: and you know what you've experienced. But you're always like,
Speaker 1: in the back of your head, even if you think something,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, they're probably trying to get the best
Speaker 1: end of the deal for themselves. So you're gonna trust
Speaker 1: more the person that's supposed to be looking out for
Speaker 1: you and supposed to be helping you out to get
Speaker 1: you the best deal that you possibly can. But we
Speaker 1: all know we've we've seen shows on TV, we've seen ballers.
Speaker 1: I think that you learn a lot from like the
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be, the side that we don't
Speaker 1: get to see, and how business works in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So you know, the the agent who knows what he
Speaker 1: got going on and what kind of relationships he hasn't
Speaker 1: with the Broncos and wants to kind of pull Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and just saying something like that like, oh, well
Speaker 1: this was in your contract that wasn't before and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't you know, so little things like that, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna bother you. But I don't think until and I
Speaker 1: learned this yesterday, and I think we all learned the lesson.
Speaker 1: Until it is on paper, signed with the pen, possibly
Speaker 1: a bluepen, we can't say what can happen or what
Speaker 1: cannot happen. So until I hear that that's signed and
Speaker 1: I see a picture of him signing, I won't say
Speaker 1: whether he's going over there, staying or whatever, because we
Speaker 1: know the kind of power that Jerry Jones has too.
Speaker 1: But like Nick said, I don't think it should have
Speaker 1: been this dramatic and so confusing. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: touched on the part that I think bothers me the
Speaker 1: most about this. I know, Nick, you said. The part
Speaker 1: that bothers you, that bothers me the most is that
Speaker 1: there was this characterization and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: came from the agent or Randy or someone else, just
Speaker 1: the media putting it in there. But that was just
Speaker 1: the idea that the Cowboys just kind of at the
Speaker 1: eleventh hour just slip this little caveat into this contract
Speaker 1: and hope they wouldn't see it. And that doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be what happened here. It's a situation where this
Speaker 1: is a standard part of their contracts. By the way,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Andy's contract, his first contract where there was
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in it, so they should have known mentioned
Speaker 1: the difference between like what the kind of contract he
Speaker 1: had last year, because people are also taking that was
Speaker 1: not a guaranteed contract. He didn't have guaranteed money in that,
Speaker 1: and that's why the clause is in. That clause is
Speaker 1: in there in contract to have guaranteed money. So his
Speaker 1: first contract back in whatever year that was when he
Speaker 1: first got into the NFL, that one did have the
Speaker 1: same language in it as this one has in it,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't something where it doesn't appear to be
Speaker 1: something where it the Cowboys were just kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's see if they catch this, let's just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, drop this in there. It was one of
Speaker 1: the situations where they put their standard language in there,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, someone characterized it as the cowboys
Speaker 1: were trying to get over on them. And that's the
Speaker 1: part I think is is being disingenuous. I have no
Speaker 1: problem with the player deciding for himself, Hey, that's not
Speaker 1: something that works for me. I don't think that's something
Speaker 1: because I assume if it was in everybody else's contractscept
Speaker 1: for das Dak and his agent said at some point,
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't work for us, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's every player and their representatives right to be able
Speaker 1: to negotiate and say that's not something we want to
Speaker 1: agree to. Where I have a problem is when someone
Speaker 1: makes it seem like there was kind of this this
Speaker 1: nefarious thing else going on with it really was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but let's let's talk about specifically what we're what
Speaker 1: you're saying there though. I mean, like if you don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with that, but like I have a
Speaker 1: problem with that. I mean if you walk in here
Speaker 1: and say, hey, guys, you can't come in the building
Speaker 1: here if you've got guns, and someone just turns around says, well, okay,
Speaker 1: see you guys later. I'm going back, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what's the guy. The guy's got guns, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like yeah, but but but but if
Speaker 1: you don't, if that is the issue, if that is
Speaker 1: the issue of like, well I don't want to agree
Speaker 1: to that, well, then what do we anticipate because because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. We are talking about a league where
Speaker 1: you can get fined or suspended even when the court,
Speaker 1: like the legal system, says there's nothing here. We saw
Speaker 1: it happen with Zeke like it happens in this league.
Speaker 1: It doesn't take illegal finding. It just takes the commissioner saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't sit right with me, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find you don't sit right with me, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: suspend you, and now my guarantees are loss. So again,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't I don't not trying to
Speaker 1: make a judgment as to whether this is a good
Speaker 1: clause or a backlause. What I'm saying is I think
Speaker 1: the player has a right to be able to say
Speaker 1: this doesn't work for me. I see areas in this
Speaker 1: clause that could be harmful to me, and if I
Speaker 1: have enough leverage, I choose to say I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that and I will take a deal that
Speaker 1: doesn't have it in That's his right, that's absolutely his right.
Speaker 1: And you know what else is his right as well,
Speaker 1: is he can like what people don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: said that, what I said about Jerry and them, and
Speaker 1: it should have been a quick conversation. But what you
Speaker 1: don't know is what a player needs in there a person.
Speaker 1: I'm just a player. What a person needs in their
Speaker 1: life as far as change, do they need a different
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been here for seven years. Maybe he
Speaker 1: wants to go somewhere else, Maybe he wants to go
Speaker 1: to a different state, whatever it is. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you go to wherever you want where. I mean, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to take a discount because of Jerry. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. You would think you
Speaker 1: if it was close, you'd think he would. But so
Speaker 1: when it's done, when he signs, you know, I might
Speaker 1: have a different opinion on it. But right now, who
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. You know, it looks like
Speaker 1: as we sit right here before noon, you know, in
Speaker 1: in Dallas, I mean, it looks like he's gonna go
Speaker 1: to Denver. But guess what this time yesterday it looked
Speaker 1: like he was gonna go to Dallas, or it might
Speaker 1: have been leaving a little bit before this. So I
Speaker 1: think the point that that that I'm hearing you make
Speaker 1: is everybody just kind of wait, let's see how this
Speaker 1: all goes. And by the way, that's across the league,
Speaker 1: everything you've been hearing over the last two days, it
Speaker 1: was set up by the league to do exactly what
Speaker 1: it's doing. Create conversation because none of this, none of
Speaker 1: this is done until the papers signed, and that can't
Speaker 1: happen until at the earliest four pm today. So right now,
Speaker 1: let's just see how this all plays out. It's looking
Speaker 1: like he is going to Denver. We'll see how that
Speaker 1: plays out, and we'll see if by four today or
Speaker 1: at some point after that, if he signs a contract
Speaker 1: with Denver real quick. This clause obviously I know the
Speaker 1: gist of it, but do you do we know specifically
Speaker 1: what it said, oh in the contract. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: it's a standard with any time a player US is suspended,
Speaker 1: like any kind of guaranteed money that he has is voided.
Speaker 1: That's what happened with Lyle Collins. That's why you know
Speaker 1: in Lyall that's a player that could have some news
Speaker 1: today too. I mean, he might be released today, he
Speaker 1: might be traded today. You know. I mean I think
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys could get another fifth round pick, that'd
Speaker 1: be great. You know, they only got four, so maybe
Speaker 1: one of themill hit. Maybe maybe one of them will kick. Anyways, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that text. What what? What? Wow? Wow?
Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing today? Oh? I mean that
Speaker 1: was a bad joke, was it? Oh? I thought you
Speaker 1: were messing with my Texas No, no, I'm talking about him.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, maybe one can kick. I think it's
Speaker 1: a great joke. But it's okay, that's ok like Chris,
Speaker 1: Like Chris is the stand up guy. Anyways, Um, what
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I mean, who who's to say, what
Speaker 1: a funny joke? Maybe they'll get maybe they'll draft a kicker.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll draft to kick in the fifth round. They
Speaker 1: got four picks, well they got four other picks, and
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe they'll resign Greg's airline. And that
Speaker 1: really is a thing that could happen. See, we try
Speaker 1: to have a good show. I'm telling you. They could
Speaker 1: resign Greg's airline. They could punter, they could they could
Speaker 1: they need a punter? They need um, you know angers
Speaker 1: out there. We're getting way off from where I want
Speaker 1: to be right now the relationship or you don't. They're
Speaker 1: enough with us back and either it is or it is.
Speaker 1: And when you can, when you're in the relationship, just
Speaker 1: move on. Everybody. Everybody do other things, you know exactly,
Speaker 1: I'll have to Rob Phillips. He was working here and
Speaker 1: then he left and he came back. We don't. You
Speaker 1: don't want to Rob to come back? Oh? Is that
Speaker 1: what we're gonna? Just made it personal? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it happens, all right. So here's my
Speaker 1: question for you guys, Um, how much of a problem
Speaker 1: is it if Randy doesn't come back? How much a
Speaker 1: problem is that for Dallas? If you can take this
Speaker 1: from mini stamp, from a from a van standpoint, from
Speaker 1: a pr standpoint, from a football standpoint, what how much
Speaker 1: of a problem is this for Dallas? Well, it's just
Speaker 1: all about the pivot. Mean, where do they go from there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they had it budgeted for what
Speaker 1: fourteen million? Yea, do something with that? You know, like
Speaker 1: you next year are you gonna get two players from that?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go get Dorance Armstrong now and someone else?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go get um A von Miller? Which
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be fourteen, that's gonna be more than that.
Speaker 1: So can Bobby Wagner be in the mix? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I know this. The cowboys have made phone calls to
Speaker 1: just throw them out there, and the answer is yes,
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Bobby Wagner, Dante Fowler, Um von Miller, who else?
Speaker 1: I mean, Zadarius Smith. They they've they've done their due
Speaker 1: diligence with all of it, and they're they're just kind
Speaker 1: of get the parameters and see. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Durrance is in the mix here. You know, if
Speaker 1: if Randy officially signed with Denver, I think Randy, I
Speaker 1: think Durrance would be in the mix. But Daurance and
Speaker 1: someone else, Um Layton vander Esh sounds like Layton's not
Speaker 1: getting them the money that he thought he would get
Speaker 1: open the open market. But but he could get some
Speaker 1: some deals today. It sounds like New England and pittsburgher
Speaker 1: in the mix for him. Jay Ron Curse, that's an
Speaker 1: interesting one as well. Um. I think Curse thought he'd
Speaker 1: get a little bit more money to this seems like
Speaker 1: one where a lot of people in the league thought
Speaker 1: Curse was going to just go back to Dallas and
Speaker 1: dan Quinn and they didn't really mess with it. So
Speaker 1: I don't think he's got like, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: have anything to bounce it off on, and they're working
Speaker 1: on a deal and they want him to be happy,
Speaker 1: and they might also look at it and say, like
Speaker 1: this may be one of those players that really works
Speaker 1: for Dance System, maybe not so much for ours. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's part of it, is he's more
Speaker 1: valuable to Dallas maybe than he is to a lot
Speaker 1: of other teams. I think of literally, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I really think Jayron Curse situation. I
Speaker 1: think that if I'm predicting, I think that they'll they'll
Speaker 1: get a deal with him. That's what I think. And
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Nick, going into you know,
Speaker 1: the offseason this year, the way I looked at the
Speaker 1: defense was I need to keep one of my two
Speaker 1: defensive ends and I need to keep three. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you weren't factoring in Durance. I wasn't factor
Speaker 1: I assume Durance and Cedric to me were guys I
Speaker 1: didn't think they would be able to retain because I
Speaker 1: figured the amount of money they would be valuable, that
Speaker 1: the amount of money they would demand on the open
Speaker 1: market would be more than Dallas would be willing to
Speaker 1: pay for the roles they would play him. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: being said, I felt like I needed to keep one
Speaker 1: of my two defensive ends. I needed to keep one
Speaker 1: of those one of those free safeties, and I needed
Speaker 1: to keep my strong safety. And if I did that,
Speaker 1: I felt like I could fill in a lot of
Speaker 1: the other blanks between draft lower level free agents. I
Speaker 1: felt like I could. I feel like that gives you
Speaker 1: still a really good defense. Those are the core that's scores. Now.
Speaker 1: If you get both defensive ends, now you're really working
Speaker 1: with something. If you add a free agent that you
Speaker 1: weren't expecting, now you're really working with something. But to me,
Speaker 1: if they fulfilled that, they've done what I think they
Speaker 1: had to do, and then everything else is the great. Well,
Speaker 1: going back to your question, I think this is a
Speaker 1: big problem if and I'm not saying Randy Gregory is
Speaker 1: the best defensive end pass rusher in the NFL. He's not.
Speaker 1: But if you don't find someone that's better than him
Speaker 1: or that can somewhat provide you something equal to what
Speaker 1: he was giving you. Then you're now you're messing with
Speaker 1: the side of the ball that was the good side,
Speaker 1: the one side that is kind of giving you some excitement,
Speaker 1: some hope, you know, after the transition and the volvement
Speaker 1: that we saw last year with what Dan Quinn was
Speaker 1: able to do. Now you if you don't replace that position,
Speaker 1: you're messing now with also one Micah Parson might be
Speaker 1: able to give you a player that was so versatile
Speaker 1: and that was able to help you in different ways,
Speaker 1: but you can pin him down at a certain position
Speaker 1: because then I think that's really gonna affect you your
Speaker 1: defense overall. So right now I'm very concerned. I am
Speaker 1: not happy or excited about the offense. And we still
Speaker 1: have guys and all that, but there are a lot
Speaker 1: of things to fix, a lot of uncertainty a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Even though we know we have City Lamb, we have
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. Now they also brought Noah Brown back and
Speaker 1: all that. But is City Lamb gonna be able to
Speaker 1: step up? How is Michael Gallup coming back from that injury?
Speaker 1: How is he gonna look like at the role that
Speaker 1: they're gonna give him as well. So a lot of
Speaker 1: uncertaining there the online and all that. But if they
Speaker 1: don't bring someone exciting on the defense right now, I'm
Speaker 1: raising my hand of someone that's gonna be walking around
Speaker 1: with a grumpy face, unhappy and not excited because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of things to fix right now. You know,
Speaker 1: with Randy, if he's not on the team, I'll just
Speaker 1: look at his stats and it's eight and is going on,
Speaker 1: you know, and some of his injury history and you know,
Speaker 1: because that's looking at glass half full and half empty
Speaker 1: and all that, like, you look at it and go,
Speaker 1: you know, he's twenty nine and he's not really done anything.
Speaker 1: He's never made a Pro Bowl. You can do whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you sign him, all you gotta do is
Speaker 1: show me the clip against Washington where he tipped the
Speaker 1: ball and then caught it and ran it in then
Speaker 1: Steff Farm and all that stuff. Give me that guy.
Speaker 1: So I get it. I mean, and that's what Denver's doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna badmouth
Speaker 1: him as a as a player. He was a guy
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to sign. Um. I can see
Speaker 1: the value there. Um, because I think he's a he's
Speaker 1: a freakish player. Um, he's he's not been consistent though
Speaker 1: in his life at times and then obviously on the field,
Speaker 1: and and they go hand in hand. But um, you
Speaker 1: know if Denver, if Denver gets him, I mean they're
Speaker 1: getting an outstanding player potentially. He's got the potential to
Speaker 1: be as freakish as anybody in the league. Just doesn't
Speaker 1: always show it out there. And that's that's the hiccup.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys wanted him back. And you know, I'll
Speaker 1: say this about Jerry Jones. I think Jerry Jones could
Speaker 1: stand it and in front of a beach and sell
Speaker 1: sand to people as they walk in and say, hey,
Speaker 1: would you like some sand? I think I think you
Speaker 1: can do. So I'm just gonna say this if if Randy,
Speaker 1: if Randy gets any more phone calls from Jerry, like
Speaker 1: you better right, Like if he wants, don't get on
Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah, don't, don't talk to Jerry. Because I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I trust Jerry. If if Jerry you had
Speaker 1: the last day, I trust him. But you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: As it stands right now, it looks like he's going
Speaker 1: to Denver. But I want to see that ink. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I will say this, and
Speaker 1: I'm actually go We're gonna take a break when we
Speaker 1: come back. I want to ask you guys the question,
Speaker 1: would you consider taking the money that now is available
Speaker 1: if they're not going to sign Randy yet, Randy, would
Speaker 1: you consider taking that money and maybe using it on
Speaker 1: the offense? Because Amber talked about the offense, would you
Speaker 1: maybe look at his there's some free agent out there
Speaker 1: at guard or center where tackle even maybe that makes
Speaker 1: you say, hey, let's spend some of that big money there.
Speaker 1: Can you fix the offensive line and you get more
Speaker 1: value for your team than maybe spending on a pass rusher.
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Speaker 1: we go? Here we go? All right? Um question half
Speaker 1: of you guys before we went to break, you take
Speaker 1: the money that you would have spent on Randy um
Speaker 1: And and maybe go and use it on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Because I talked before the break
Speaker 1: about for me, what I thought they needed to do
Speaker 1: on the defense. The number one priority I thought the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had going into the offseason, regardless of side of
Speaker 1: the ball, was they need to fix this offense in line.
Speaker 1: Would you take that money and now go out and
Speaker 1: try to get JC Tredder, who's a center, probably the
Speaker 1: best center on the free agent market right now? Do
Speaker 1: you go out and spend that money on that side
Speaker 1: of the ball instead of maybe getting another pass rusher?
Speaker 1: I would. I would definitely for the offensive line you
Speaker 1: got you gotta fix your your problems. But but I
Speaker 1: will say this, though your defense last year was good.
Speaker 1: It was good. Defense wasn't like the best, right, but
Speaker 1: it was it was good, and it was really good
Speaker 1: at turnovers, but it was you know, they had some
Speaker 1: issues as well. So you can't just you know, you
Speaker 1: lose Randy. You gotta get something for that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because then you're gonna you're gonna drop
Speaker 1: down even more. So I can see, I can see
Speaker 1: both sides. I mean, I mean, you got holes to fix.
Speaker 1: Whatever the best value was. Yeah, if it's an offensive player,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'd be a receiver. I do think
Speaker 1: they're going to sign a veteran receiver. Um, so does Daz.
Speaker 1: Daz thinks so too. But um, yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: that would be interesting. But but anyways, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Daz throughout James Washington's name the other day. Oklahoma State. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be Yeah, that would be that would be
Speaker 1: nice if um he's from Abilene, Stanford so um but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it would be you know, he'd
Speaker 1: be a good, good addition. They need somebody like that.
Speaker 1: Um but um, anyways, I mean, I guard, yeah, center, defense,
Speaker 1: anything he needs. So whoever is the best player available? Like,
Speaker 1: take that to the free free agency. You know the
Speaker 1: concept that they use for draft. Take it. Apply that
Speaker 1: to free agency. Doesn't matter which side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Just go for the best player available because you need it.
Speaker 1: You need help on both sides, clearly. But um one
Speaker 1: thing I do I don't will they because they don't
Speaker 1: usually do this in recent years, and I know at
Speaker 1: the same time, we have seen a lot of changes
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy coming in and things that we haven't
Speaker 1: seen before have happened. So now I wonder, Okay, are
Speaker 1: they looking to actually spend some money on a guy
Speaker 1: that isn't their own guy, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: rely on just the draft, even if they draft a
Speaker 1: good guy or whatever. I don't want it to be
Speaker 1: the case that we go in because it's a hit
Speaker 1: or miss. Some guys right away Mica Parsons right away
Speaker 1: are excellent, but it's hard to find guys like that,
Speaker 1: and it's rare, and at the same time you get
Speaker 1: guys that it does take them a while to develop
Speaker 1: and all of that, and right now people are tired.
Speaker 1: We're not looking to develop, we're looking to do it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: there's really it's really on one position where I look
Speaker 1: at it, maybe two where I look at it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that I wouldn't be waiting for the
Speaker 1: draft to address this, and it's a reason why receivers
Speaker 1: the primary one because, as you guys mentioned last week
Speaker 1: on the show, there's a good chance I shouldn't take
Speaker 1: a good chance. There is a chance, whatever the percentage is,
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Michael Gallup is not ready to
Speaker 1: play at the beginning season. He certainly won't be ready
Speaker 1: for the beginning of training camp in preseason. So that
Speaker 1: being said, I think I need to hedge my bet
Speaker 1: and I need to have a veteran on this team.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm not gonna draft one. I might
Speaker 1: draft one really high, but I think I need to
Speaker 1: have a vet that's available to me week one that
Speaker 1: could start the season that if I have him paired
Speaker 1: with CD, paired with whoever is the rookie that I draft, now,
Speaker 1: I still got a good enough wide receiver Cord to
Speaker 1: be able to go out and do what I need
Speaker 1: to do to win ball games. So for me, I
Speaker 1: look at that, Boss, I say, I really think you
Speaker 1: gotta get it, even if it's a lower and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say a lower, but not the top of veteran
Speaker 1: at the position. James Washington would be a perfect fit
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, he's that that guy's pretty good player,
Speaker 1: has played and done some pretty decent things where he
Speaker 1: was before. You can probably get him for a pretty
Speaker 1: good deal, maybe even a short term and be one
Speaker 1: two years and and so for something like that. To me,
Speaker 1: that that seems to be the great fit, and that
Speaker 1: seems to be the thing I think they gotta do
Speaker 1: this offseason before they get to draft. All right, m
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the people, some of the
Speaker 1: players who are no longer here. We have not had
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about some of those deals that
Speaker 1: have happened over the last several days. I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me about Like I'm gonna throughout the name,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what they went and what happened, and
Speaker 1: then I want you to tell me if you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should have made more of a play based
Speaker 1: on where they went and what they were given. Let's
Speaker 1: start first. Obviously, it was a trade with a Marie Cooper.
Speaker 1: They traded four fifth round pick, They swapped sixth round
Speaker 1: picks with Cleveland. How did you feel about that deal? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like the decision to get rid of Marie Cooper.
Speaker 1: That's playing and simple. I wouldn't have done that. I
Speaker 1: think that this team is on the verge of doing something.
Speaker 1: They're right there, and I think he's one of their
Speaker 1: better players, and I would have figured it out with him.
Speaker 1: So that's not so definitely wasn't worth it for you. No, No,
Speaker 1: the trade they saving again sixteen million six So, um,
Speaker 1: you know that's what they were gonna you know, that's
Speaker 1: what they were gonna get Randy Gregory or whoever you
Speaker 1: know with but um, but but it's two different things.
Speaker 1: It's the decision and then they've made it. Okay, so
Speaker 1: now it's a trade. Yeah, I'll take it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the trade's fine. The trade is what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you could get a first, you get a first,
Speaker 1: you get a second, you get a third, you get
Speaker 1: a fourth, you get a fifth. It's just that's what
Speaker 1: it is. And that's that's the world that we live
Speaker 1: in with every with us doing thirty seven podcasts and
Speaker 1: everyone in the world doing it thirty eight thirty whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's that's what that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing here. Um. So the thing about that is
Speaker 1: is that like you can't, nothing's a secret. As soon
Speaker 1: as the Browns think you're gonna cut them, then they're
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, fifth is about the best year
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. They're taking on all the salaries, so
Speaker 1: they're not really necessarily giving up a lot of that's
Speaker 1: knowing they're gonna have to take on salary. That's part
Speaker 1: of it too. You know. It is the most expensive
Speaker 1: round pick they've ever had. So that's the trade, is
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, you never, you never if
Speaker 1: they could have got more, they would have got more.
Speaker 1: I mean, would you have taking a fourth round, a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick from it from the Eagles, or fifth
Speaker 1: round or from the Browns, fifth round from Browns. I mean,
Speaker 1: so you're looking at AFC, you're doing the best option
Speaker 1: you can get him over there, you know, that is
Speaker 1: what it is. I wouldn't have made the decision, but
Speaker 1: that's the decision they made. Yeah, I wouldn't have either.
Speaker 1: And again we don't know exactly what all they got
Speaker 1: going on over there, what all they have dealt with
Speaker 1: and all that. But at the same time, like this
Speaker 1: trade just left me feeling like I got the bad
Speaker 1: end of the deal, you know, like I wasn't policed
Speaker 1: at of course I didn't want to see him, But
Speaker 1: if he left, I want at least feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel, oh, that's that's all right. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But right now I don't feel like
Speaker 1: we're fine just yet, unless after we start seeing what
Speaker 1: kind of moves and obviously what happens through free agency
Speaker 1: and draft and all that. But right now, it just
Speaker 1: feels like we lost and we took a step backwards
Speaker 1: rather than forward. I think I think Amari would have
Speaker 1: done a DeMarcus Lawrence deal. I think he would have
Speaker 1: done that, you know, where it saves you a lot
Speaker 1: on the cap, saves you on the cap, but also
Speaker 1: kind of guarantees him a little bit. I think they
Speaker 1: could have worked with him. I just think that for
Speaker 1: whatever the reason, they've kind of made it their decision.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's some nitpicking from what
Speaker 1: I've heard about things that he doesn't do as well
Speaker 1: on the field and all that. I'm just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: but but I think that they wanted to move on.
Speaker 1: They wanted to push this towards CD. Let it be
Speaker 1: his time, and you know, signed gallup. It's not what
Speaker 1: I would have done, It really wouldn't. I would have
Speaker 1: probably signed the deal, and I think he's probably next
Speaker 1: on your list here, Cedric Wilson. I probably would have
Speaker 1: signed Cedric Wilson instead of Michael Gallup. It's cheaper and
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna be available. That's what I would have done.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I think Gallup's more of a
Speaker 1: long term thing, and I think it saves you a
Speaker 1: little bit more on the cap because they were able
Speaker 1: to spread that deal out more. Yeah, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. He gets a three year deal twenty two million,
Speaker 1: seven point three five million. It is the average per
Speaker 1: year with twelve point seven five million guaranteed. He goes
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins. What do you think of the deal.
Speaker 1: I don't want to agree with Nick because I want
Speaker 1: to give some differences of opinion on this show, but
Speaker 1: I do when I said it last week, I would
Speaker 1: have preferred Cedric Wilson, not only because of the money,
Speaker 1: but also he I don't feel like it's that different
Speaker 1: than Michael. And I know you can make that face,
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, I think, Okay, some people will disagree,
Speaker 1: and some people see the skills that Michael Gallup has
Speaker 1: over Cedric Wilson. But based on what I saw last
Speaker 1: year on Cedric Wilson. It did give me a lot
Speaker 1: more hope that given the opportunity, he will keep giving
Speaker 1: you things that you won't miss. Michael Gallup especially, he's
Speaker 1: seeing the connection that Dak has with him, which is
Speaker 1: hard to find. It's hard to find a quarterback, especially
Speaker 1: a guy like Dad that does need that kind of help.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to find a guy that can connect
Speaker 1: that way and being sync with your quarterback. But I
Speaker 1: actually think he has that same level of connection with
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. Like you think about the number of plays
Speaker 1: that we've seen between the two of them where he
Speaker 1: hits him just perfectly towards the sideline where it's right
Speaker 1: where Gallup can make the catch, and we know Gallup
Speaker 1: can make those kinds of catches. Like, I think he
Speaker 1: has a similar connection with him as well. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just Cedric and he doesn't have that connection
Speaker 1: with other players. I think he's got that same connection
Speaker 1: with other guys. And to me, it's really just about
Speaker 1: I hear what you guys are saying, and I get it.
Speaker 1: Cedric is a good, solid receiver. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: think Michael Gallup is also a solid receiver. I think
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, though, has the skill and things I've seen
Speaker 1: that suggests he can be more than that, And as
Speaker 1: he continues to develop, I think he has the skill
Speaker 1: to be more than just a solid receiver. He has
Speaker 1: some skills that makes him do some extraordinary things. I
Speaker 1: haven't necessarily seen. That's from Cedric. I haven't seen Cedric
Speaker 1: make those extraordinary plays in the same way. And at
Speaker 1: the same that's great, that's nice, and again I get that.
Speaker 1: But I again, I just I think Michael Gallup. I
Speaker 1: think Michael Gallup is a just if you were stacking
Speaker 1: them up right beside each other, I think Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: is a better receiver. And so for me, I don't
Speaker 1: think the money kills him. This is a very very
Speaker 1: is a very doable deal for them. So if you
Speaker 1: can get the better receiver for a very doable price,
Speaker 1: yeah do it. And that's the thing, Like it's easy
Speaker 1: to look at it and go old. Gallup's getting what
Speaker 1: almost eleven million, you know, more than that? Almost almost
Speaker 1: twelve his average? His average, yeah, somewhere around there. But
Speaker 1: I mean, but only what four and a half to
Speaker 1: five is counted against In reality, that's not really the
Speaker 1: case that they might not see a lot's probably a
Speaker 1: cheaper deal than than Cedric. But I I think Cedric
Speaker 1: is a more versatile player, and I think he's a
Speaker 1: He's a I've seen. Is it just because of the
Speaker 1: his ability to throw that you call him more personal? No,
Speaker 1: what's what's so the part I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's a better fluid athlete. I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's better I've seen I've seen more plays where I
Speaker 1: like him in the middle of the field. The Minnesota
Speaker 1: game comes to mind, where he was weaving through for touchdown,
Speaker 1: the one where he was spinning there against Carolina for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. He's made clutch plays too. He's new England game,
Speaker 1: they lose if he doesn't make a catch on the sideline.
Speaker 1: He's had some balls where he's made perfectly thrown passes
Speaker 1: right in there. I mean he's made plays too, So
Speaker 1: I you know, I just think he's a And to me,
Speaker 1: it's the health, it's it's the it's in March, in April,
Speaker 1: he'll be out. I'm pointing to a practice field out here. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I just think he's you know, availability, availability, cheaper,
Speaker 1: and I think comparable in the place. The thing it's
Speaker 1: like seeing recent history, what you've seen recently does influence
Speaker 1: kind of what we have in our mind right now,
Speaker 1: at least I can say that for myself. Me, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't go as far as saying he's definitely, for sure
Speaker 1: a better player than Gallup, but they're very hand in
Speaker 1: hand to me, and that what I have in my
Speaker 1: mind right now is just a Cedri Wilson that will
Speaker 1: jump goal of there. He can do the tiptoe too,
Speaker 1: you know, he can do that too. He can throw
Speaker 1: the ball and again not that you're looking for your
Speaker 1: receiver to be the quarterback either, but just a little
Speaker 1: extra spice on there. And that's why you know. I
Speaker 1: it opens it up though, when you when you have
Speaker 1: that in your arsenal, I mean, it does open it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, is throw it against Minnesota to the I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he can, ye, I'm sure I can't. I
Speaker 1: guess my point is, like, I think there are probably
Speaker 1: other guys that could do that if you ask them to.
Speaker 1: I think CD ads at that level of um, you know,
Speaker 1: he can do different kinds of things. Maybe maybe CD
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Michael Galla can I don't who knows what.
Speaker 1: CD can't throw the ball, who's gonna catch it. CD's
Speaker 1: the catcher, He's the guy that's catching the ball. Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop Okay, I'm talking about the first three weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. No, that's that won't take long. But that's
Speaker 1: actually a fair fair point when you start talking about
Speaker 1: health and availability, because I am I'm a little worried
Speaker 1: about what they're gonna do at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season if Michael Gallup isn't ready to go, Like, how
Speaker 1: do they manage that? Because they've lost their depth at
Speaker 1: wide receiver at this year. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. He gets a two year, fourteen million dollars
Speaker 1: deal average seven million a year, seven point five guaranteed.
Speaker 1: He also goes to the Dolphins. That's just becoming Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys East. That being said, what do you think about
Speaker 1: the deal? What do you think about the Cowboys allowing
Speaker 1: him and go? Scary? It's a scary thing because in
Speaker 1: no way did the Cowboys want Connor Williams back, and
Speaker 1: the fans didn't want him back, and they don't want
Speaker 1: this guy to play left guard anymore, even though he's
Speaker 1: done it for four years. So he goes he's a
Speaker 1: seven million a year player, so they want somebody better
Speaker 1: than that, clearly, but that if he's a seven million
Speaker 1: dollar dollar guard, you know, year guard, then oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Well I got so much money, right,
Speaker 1: so I get this defensemen, that's a scary thing. And
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of guards out there, so and
Speaker 1: you don't want to go into the draft pigeon holding there, Well,
Speaker 1: you have to take a guard because that's when you
Speaker 1: get jumped. That's when you get jumped by somebody that
Speaker 1: says all because they know you gotta take him. So
Speaker 1: and then I wouldn't go much farther than the first round,
Speaker 1: maybe the second on taking a guard that you can
Speaker 1: plug right in and being able to play. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of scary, like what are what are they
Speaker 1: doing here? You know? So would you? But you, but
Speaker 1: you would not. I want to be clear. You're not
Speaker 1: saying you would have made this deal for Connor Williams. No,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that if I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to let go of Amari Cooper and I'm doing all
Speaker 1: these other moves, I'm not worried about Gallup or Gregory,
Speaker 1: I would have signed schurf from I would have done that.
Speaker 1: I cannot argue with you. And and then maybe maybe
Speaker 1: for the first time in his life, Zach Martin is
Speaker 1: a little pissed off or annoyed, and maybe you gotta
Speaker 1: rub that belly a little bit of figure that out.
Speaker 1: But either way, too badass guards. I actually think at
Speaker 1: that point, be honest becomes becomes any center he can.
Speaker 1: You got those two gods, like, I think you become
Speaker 1: an okay center. Yeah, I kind of agree. I mean
Speaker 1: he is an okay center. He's an okay center, but okay,
Speaker 1: he's not getting the job done. Okay, he's not okay. Well,
Speaker 1: he will be a better center with those two guys
Speaker 1: if serviceable. You know, you wouldn't have to go draft
Speaker 1: a center, but you probably could. But man, I mean
Speaker 1: I would have done that. That's that's been my thought.
Speaker 1: But they don't want to go that route, right thoughts.
Speaker 1: I mean, you do we all know, we all know
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. We I think that we knew
Speaker 1: his time here was over, and neither part were really happy.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Connor being happy either with everything that's
Speaker 1: being asked to him getting so many criticism, not just
Speaker 1: maybe from the people in the building, but also people
Speaker 1: out there, the fans constantly criticizing, and sometimes it was
Speaker 1: fair and other times I think he got more than
Speaker 1: than what he should have. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, yeah, his time was up. And it is very,
Speaker 1: very concerning not to see any moves happening right now
Speaker 1: at that position and on the Old line, because we
Speaker 1: know Dad really needs help from the Old Line, and
Speaker 1: so does the running game. We know Zeke needs it,
Speaker 1: and Tony Potler and those two and people that were
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago cut see, well, we a really
Speaker 1: know that ain't happening. It's not gonna happen. It doesn't
Speaker 1: work out for the cowboys out way. Zeke is here
Speaker 1: to stay and they need the help that they can get,
Speaker 1: all the help that they can get on the Old Line. Yep. Um,
Speaker 1: We'll say this, and I there are people listening live
Speaker 1: and obviously if you're listening later, this is going to
Speaker 1: be outdated. But Randy Gregory has tweeted out here at
Speaker 1: about noon our time, Madden put a picture of him
Speaker 1: in a Broncos uniform and thoughts and then he just
Speaker 1: typed in LG. So in other words, we're pretty sure
Speaker 1: he's going to Denver LFG. Let's yeah, left field, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know left field Gregory. Let's f
Speaker 1: and go. So like he's going. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I gotta sign, gotta sign the papers, see what happens.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that that kind of seems like he's
Speaker 1: out there. But well, we'll see. This thing is again,
Speaker 1: I keep calling at the roller coaster and I don't
Speaker 1: know if the ride's over yet. Also, anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say we're gonna take our final break. We
Speaker 1: come back. We got a whole list of Cowboys free
Speaker 1: agents that that we have not heard about, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about those guys and what we think is gonna
Speaker 1: happen here over the next few days, maybe the next
Speaker 1: few weeks for some of them. We'll do it when
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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking free agency. There's
Speaker 1: so many storylines to follow that will stay the same
Speaker 1: for the next few days, maybe weeks, heading right into
Speaker 1: the draft, which should be interesting here at the end
Speaker 1: of April. Never never lost for something to talk about
Speaker 1: here on the break. Let's talk about some of the
Speaker 1: guys that are free agents and we have not talked
Speaker 1: a lot about and that that really haven't been in
Speaker 1: the news cycle here recently. Let's start first with Doran's Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Where do you think things are with Doran's Armstrong as
Speaker 1: a defensive end? And I want you to put it
Speaker 1: in two different categories. One, if for some reason, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were to go out and be able to before
Speaker 1: he gets his name on a sheet of paper, get
Speaker 1: Randy Gravy back, that doesn't seem likely. But if that happens,
Speaker 1: or if he's gone, and then you got to move
Speaker 1: on and try to figure out what you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: what just how does that help or hurt? I think Dorance.
Speaker 1: I think they look to sign Dorance if it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen with Randy, and I think that they're pursuing that
Speaker 1: right now. From what I hear that the years is
Speaker 1: kind of the the issue there. They Doan wants a
Speaker 1: shorter deal and the Cowboys want a longer deal just
Speaker 1: because it spreads out the cap a little bit. So
Speaker 1: I think that there's talk there. I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: you know, Drrence can't be Randy Gregory. He just can't.
Speaker 1: That's not his thing. He could be different and solid,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna ever be that explosive type player.
Speaker 1: I think if you draft Chauncey Gholston in the third
Speaker 1: round from Iowa, I think he's got to be Dareance Armstrong.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, I'm fine if they resign him,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna get anyone that excited and other
Speaker 1: than maybe you know, special teams coach and all that,
Speaker 1: because he's got defensive and who can play, But I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's playing at that at that number,
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't know. I think that they're
Speaker 1: going to try to sign him if they don't get Randy,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. If it helped you that much, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind either way. I think he's in that
Speaker 1: category of guys that we always see in free agency
Speaker 1: where it's I'm not gonna say easily replaceable, but you
Speaker 1: can find a guy that can also do similar things
Speaker 1: that he does. So he's right there in the middle
Speaker 1: of those type of guys that I'm okay if they
Speaker 1: bring him back, but I'm also okay thinking that they
Speaker 1: will will find another defensive end in that level of
Speaker 1: his same level. I think what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: I know that I was kind of all over the place.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, and I would rather
Speaker 1: get a dynamic player, use the money to get one
Speaker 1: dynamic player as opposed to getting a couple of guys
Speaker 1: like Dorrance and someone else, because I do think you've
Speaker 1: got Gholston and then you can figure someone else out.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have the dynamic player, whether it be a
Speaker 1: guard or whether it be another defensive end. But I'd
Speaker 1: rather spend that money that you were going to spend
Speaker 1: on Gregory for one big guy. Okay, so I got
Speaker 1: the scenario for you because I think I think I
Speaker 1: disagree with you onto this scenario. So would you rather
Speaker 1: have von Miller or would you rather have Doran's Armstrong
Speaker 1: plus Bobby Wagner? Because the way I look at it
Speaker 1: is if you gave me Bobby Wagner with Doran's Armstrong,
Speaker 1: the way I look at that is on most downs,
Speaker 1: I can play Doran's Armstrong a defensive end. I now
Speaker 1: have Micah. I can move in on pass rushdown. I
Speaker 1: now have another linebacker that's a dynamic linebacker. If I
Speaker 1: wanted to even play Michael Moore defensive end. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of options there. To me, I look at that,
Speaker 1: I say that may be an even better option and
Speaker 1: maybe more cost effective than going all in, would say
Speaker 1: Von Millerwoody. That sounds good. But I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if I'm doing the math round, I think it's about eighteen,
Speaker 1: I think it's about twenty million, you know, maybe eight
Speaker 1: for Dorrance and like twelve for I think you have
Speaker 1: to get eight for Dorance. Yeah, oh wow, seven maybe okay,
Speaker 1: So and you're doing fourteen for Randy and spreading it
Speaker 1: out a little bit more. So, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think it's an apples to apples type thing those two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean I get I gets your point. I
Speaker 1: just it's the Chauncey Gholston just like man, he's got
Speaker 1: to be this year's version of Dorans, which also that's
Speaker 1: I guess that's where I get back to. I don't
Speaker 1: know how excited I am about possibly getting Dorance back
Speaker 1: because I think Chauncey I'm hoping, Yeah, when you draft
Speaker 1: in the third round, you're hoping that he's going to
Speaker 1: become Dawrance arm Strong. And and there were moments this
Speaker 1: year when you saw the thing, he's like, oh that
Speaker 1: was pretty good play. Okay, He's got a little something
Speaker 1: to him, so I do. I don't think it's beyond
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility to think he can at the
Speaker 1: very least become what Daurrance was. I'm getting though, if
Speaker 1: I if when Randy leaves, the number one priority for
Speaker 1: me would probably be Bobby Wagner, because, more so than
Speaker 1: saying a Vaughan or is Vaughan just out of your
Speaker 1: price run? I think he's out of the range. But
Speaker 1: you know, if he wants to come to Dallas, that's
Speaker 1: that's fine. It sounds like he might go to LA
Speaker 1: But I think it'd be Bobby Wagner because you got
Speaker 1: an issue at linebacker. You're not resigning Layton. You only
Speaker 1: got one on the on the on the roster right now,
Speaker 1: right you only have well, I mean those other one
Speaker 1: that played, they're not going. I thought there were there
Speaker 1: were jibro Cox. I forgot about jibro Cox. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Actually that's a big one to forget about two because yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing next year. Yeah, he's gonna be playing. Butter,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think you got one experienced linebacker
Speaker 1: and everyone in the world trying to move him to
Speaker 1: defensive ent and he could be. I mean, he could
Speaker 1: play some defensive end this year. I think he plays
Speaker 1: them up more on the outside than he did this year.
Speaker 1: Is that maybe your answer that if you get if
Speaker 1: you could get Bobby Wagner, maybe you move Micah to
Speaker 1: defensive end full time or at least most of the time,
Speaker 1: or at least on passing downs, like he's always your
Speaker 1: defensive end. I don't know. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: McCarthy said he I mean, he told the guys the
Speaker 1: other day about, hey, you know, half of his sacks
Speaker 1: came from up the middle and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that they're trying to they
Speaker 1: want to still keep them that way. But I do
Speaker 1: think on third downs he might be on the outside
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And it's all gonna be on
Speaker 1: what it looks like. Because if you got von Miller,
Speaker 1: they'll say they signed Von Miller or Sadarius Smith or
Speaker 1: some outside rusher with d law, he's gonna probably rushing
Speaker 1: more in the middle. If you got Wagner or you
Speaker 1: gotta drafted a first round linebacker, he's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: one outside. So that's why having Swiss Army knife badasses
Speaker 1: like him we're not talking about. It's also why they're
Speaker 1: not plentiful. It's hard to find them. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: talking about a Patrick Crayton Cedric Wilson like he can
Speaker 1: do a lot of everything. We're talking about someone that
Speaker 1: does elite level stuff here and there. Yes, he's valuable
Speaker 1: to have. Right now, they don't have the defensive end,
Speaker 1: the other defensive end that they meet, or a linebacker really,
Speaker 1: because what do you have a linebacker currently? We don't
Speaker 1: have anybody really, so that's another problem. So you got
Speaker 1: this guy that's arguably the best player on the roster,
Speaker 1: and there are two positions that are uncertain right now
Speaker 1: that you don't know what's going to happen. So you
Speaker 1: clearly do need to address both of them to be
Speaker 1: able to utilize him the ways that you guys have
Speaker 1: been talking about and as a Swiss Army knife. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you real quick, this is definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be a dumb question, but whatever, I don't care
Speaker 1: asking about them questions. But for guys, obviously not your
Speaker 1: expensive guys, top players, but guys like Dorn's armstrong when
Speaker 1: you like, let's say sign them or whatever. How much
Speaker 1: money would you lose if you end up like getting
Speaker 1: rid of him a training camp after training camp ends
Speaker 1: on the deal. Yeah, someone like like him, you know,
Speaker 1: not necessarily your main guys obviously, but those lower end guys,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily your full at the bottomom of the
Speaker 1: depth That gets That gets back to like how long
Speaker 1: is the deal? Like when Nick was talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: like he's wanting a shorter term deal. They want a
Speaker 1: longer term deal. If it's a longer term deal, it
Speaker 1: hurts more to release him soon because you're expect to
Speaker 1: be able to spread that money out over all those
Speaker 1: years and now it all comes due. So I think
Speaker 1: that's really kind of the issues. What kind of deal
Speaker 1: they have? Well, how many years do they have left
Speaker 1: on that deal where they would have been kind of
Speaker 1: spreading out the signing bonus? Yeah, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think that would happen this year. It also just
Speaker 1: depends on what it looks like, you know, like if
Speaker 1: when they say an average of eight a year, it's
Speaker 1: like what is it? Is it? You know, is it
Speaker 1: salary or is it guaranteed? Money or is it bonus
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, it's it's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: It Usually that didn't happen if they sign him to
Speaker 1: a deal like that because the first couple of first
Speaker 1: couple of one year deal doesn't really matter. But right,
Speaker 1: but if it's a one year deal that most of
Speaker 1: it is a guarantee or is it a bonus or
Speaker 1: something like that, then that's what I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: a Noah Brown type of yeah, that you can do
Speaker 1: something like that with no I was just in that
Speaker 1: thought in the line thought of like, Okay, what kind
Speaker 1: of guys can you kind of back yourself up a
Speaker 1: little bit right now before you figure out why exactly
Speaker 1: other moves you can make, whether it's a big splash
Speaker 1: and free agency or through the draft. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to tell right now. Um. I think
Speaker 1: you know one thing we didn't talk about is d
Speaker 1: Law too, Like did we I mean, well, we talked
Speaker 1: about with the cut. I just think it's kind of
Speaker 1: weird because talk about a narrative that changed. I mean
Speaker 1: a week ago. D Law was the guy that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a pay cut. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna do anything to help the team.
Speaker 1: Then he comes in and and okay, we kind of
Speaker 1: know why. Well yeah, but I mean he also he
Speaker 1: also did a team friendly thing, which it helped him.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not he's gonna get thirty million guaranteed,
Speaker 1: but it's but it still helps him and it helped
Speaker 1: the team, and it was and he did it so
Speaker 1: he could resign Hooker, Gregory and Curse. That's why he
Speaker 1: did it. And it doesn't look like he's gonna get
Speaker 1: all three right now. I just got one with Mulley Cooker.
Speaker 1: But he did it to help the team, helped him.
Speaker 1: I called it a win win, win, win win situation.
Speaker 1: And you know, it didn't get that. I didn't get
Speaker 1: that that last one with Gregory. But I do think
Speaker 1: if he can get more players out of this, then
Speaker 1: I think it's a you know, I think it was
Speaker 1: a it was a move. Dave Hellman said it best.
Speaker 1: It's a move that fan fans always want the players
Speaker 1: to make help the team out. And that's what he did.
Speaker 1: He went in there and signed it and did you know,
Speaker 1: did the team friendly deal. Yeah, And part of it
Speaker 1: too was I mean, obviously he had to protect himself
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to get into a situation where
Speaker 1: we've seen this happen in the NFL as well. So
Speaker 1: what goes back to what I was saying earlier players
Speaker 1: have to look out for themselves too, is you know,
Speaker 1: you wait and the team doesn't want to do anything
Speaker 1: right now, but then they wait and then you get
Speaker 1: cut like in June or July, and now you're sitting
Speaker 1: out there as a free agent when all the money's
Speaker 1: been taken. So there's a lot that's that's factored into
Speaker 1: why he would make a decision like this. But I think,
Speaker 1: as you said, it actually ended up working out for everyone.
Speaker 1: It was a win for the team, it was a
Speaker 1: win for him. Hopefully a win for some other players
Speaker 1: that will be signed back here, even if it's not
Speaker 1: Randy crab And he did say on a podcast he
Speaker 1: was on just yesterday, he said he was asked about,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of how they moved from here, and
Speaker 1: he's like, look, just get players, right, So you know,
Speaker 1: if they got Vaughan or if they got Bobby Wagner,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be happy. I don't think
Speaker 1: the name is I you gotta use my money to
Speaker 1: get Randy. I think he just wants to have good players,
Speaker 1: so because he at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: every other player, he wants to win ultimately. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Demante Casey. He spent most of the
Speaker 1: year last year. Is you're starting free safety? What's happening
Speaker 1: with him? Is that somebody Cowboys even thinking about at
Speaker 1: this point or is he just going to be out
Speaker 1: of free agency and whatever he gets is what he
Speaker 1: gets from somewhere else? Got anything? Because because I honestly,
Speaker 1: like I remember Monte Casey like seven seconds ago when
Speaker 1: you just mentioned his name, I hadn't been In other words,
Speaker 1: he ain't on their radar. He's not, he's not had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the money. They just it's not
Speaker 1: the fit that they want. So I think probably because
Speaker 1: of the similarity in the name and like starting with
Speaker 1: a K, my mom was just things of Curse initially,
Speaker 1: so you tend to forget like Casey. They they they
Speaker 1: signed Hooker, I mean that's what they signed. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be their free safety. And the yeah, their free safety.
Speaker 1: And they try and they're trying to resign Jaron Curse
Speaker 1: and so that and they got Mquama here they hope
Speaker 1: to keep developing. Maybe yeah, of course, you know, they
Speaker 1: got other guys that are a little wrong guys. I'm
Speaker 1: Donald Wilson still, you know, so yeah, you've got you've
Speaker 1: got guys there. And I think everyone knew this was
Speaker 1: one of those situations that you know, they threw stuff
Speaker 1: at the wall and hoping, see what's stick. You know
Speaker 1: what it's gonna stick. I mean, curse CAZy Hooker. All
Speaker 1: three of them one year deals. We'll see what works.
Speaker 1: And you could say they all kind of worked. I mean,
Speaker 1: Casey was a good player. He was probably a more
Speaker 1: productive player. But I thought, you know, from upside standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think the thing Hooker and Hooker was coming off
Speaker 1: and achilles last year, so it was so it would
Speaker 1: be fair. So it was crazy, right, But I do
Speaker 1: think that the expectation was Hooker was getting better as
Speaker 1: the season went on. I thought coming into this year
Speaker 1: he might be a better option for them than last year.
Speaker 1: And this was a first round pick that was you know,
Speaker 1: that has the talent and all that, he's just got
Speaker 1: to kind of come into his forgotten his history injuries,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, until we did the article about him
Speaker 1: getting resigned and all that, But I have forgotten he
Speaker 1: went through all of that. I'm like, I'm like, god, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty impressive. It was a good player at
Speaker 1: one point, Like that's you might still one here. If
Speaker 1: if he can, you know, stay healthy, you might still
Speaker 1: a really really good player. Yeah, there's there's no doubt
Speaker 1: if he can, if he can come back from that,
Speaker 1: and he has, he's come back. But I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta just keep you gotta keep doing it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Lake Vanderesh, Where where are with him? What's
Speaker 1: the likelihood I know you were talking about his market earlier.
Speaker 1: Where are you hearing about him? I think he's he's
Speaker 1: didn't get the money that he thought he was gonna get,
Speaker 1: But um I it sounds like he's gonna gonna get
Speaker 1: some interest here. I think Pittsburgh, New England, maybe a
Speaker 1: couple other AFC teams are earn the mix there. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys were kind of lukewarm on him coming back,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think Layton wanted to come back,
Speaker 1: but he's got to be this is a second contract
Speaker 1: he's got. He's got to do the most for him.
Speaker 1: Based on what you guys saw from him last year
Speaker 1: and really all the course of his career here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Would you like to see Layton Vanderish back if the
Speaker 1: money works, Well, the money's got to really work, you No,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's got to really work. I think
Speaker 1: I think that last game was tricky because it showed
Speaker 1: him he played really well. But there's not many teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL that play the way the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers play. They are they try to run the ball
Speaker 1: at you, and if that's the case, I think Layton
Speaker 1: can be effective. I think Layton would be really good
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh because I think the Browns like to run it.
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals even like to run it, and
Speaker 1: the Bravens that division. I think it would be right
Speaker 1: up his all. But when he's running around trying to
Speaker 1: get chase tight ends and running backs out of the
Speaker 1: backfield and stuff like that, that's not really his strength.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think all games would be his
Speaker 1: best game, and that's probably not going to be worth
Speaker 1: the money that you get. So you know, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that he wanted to come back, though he did for
Speaker 1: the right price, but he's got to be smart about it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's kind of lost it for me. Like
Speaker 1: you know when you see certain players that they're just
Speaker 1: completely ruthless and they just throw themselves on there and
Speaker 1: do that, make that tackle and all that. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he doesn't play hard, Obviously, every player that
Speaker 1: gets on that field plays hard, but there's something about
Speaker 1: him that he just has lost that spark that he
Speaker 1: has shown his rookie year. And maybe the last injury
Speaker 1: he got maybe really got to him or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just speculating here, but he just has
Speaker 1: lost that adrenaline that I once saw in him. So
Speaker 1: right now, he didn't have me much to want to
Speaker 1: bring him back based on specifically what we saw last year. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: a few guys I'm gonna run down real quick, just
Speaker 1: let me know what you what you're hearing about them. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's start with Brian Anger didn't give me Keyan O'Neill.
Speaker 1: Ken O'Neill, I'll say that, I don't think he's in
Speaker 1: the mix. Keyan O'Neill was supposed to come in and
Speaker 1: be a safety that was transitioning into linebacker, that could
Speaker 1: be their nickel guy and probably lead the team and
Speaker 1: tackles and that happened. It's just his name was Jayron Curse.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Jon Curse just took the role that
Speaker 1: Kenrol Nill was supposed to have and that's what they're
Speaker 1: did it better and did it better, And so that's
Speaker 1: what I think's happening there. And then Anger, you know,
Speaker 1: I that they want him back. They just want to
Speaker 1: write Price. I think Hecker's now and was about to say,
Speaker 1: how does Hecker play into that, because obviously that's one
Speaker 1: of one of the bones fosils guys, and he loves
Speaker 1: his guys. We've seen that. Yeah, but they put a
Speaker 1: cap on it. I mean that they're not spending a
Speaker 1: ton on for the punter. They you know, they've looked
Speaker 1: at that. You know, Anger's history and he's he seems
Speaker 1: to do better when he had one year deal when
Speaker 1: he's on a one year deal. Talk about that because
Speaker 1: I think sometimes and at least what I've heard in
Speaker 1: the meat of the general media, everybody's like, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you resign Anger? He was so great last year and
Speaker 1: by the way, he was really great. And my eyes
Speaker 1: even open once you told me, like, go look at
Speaker 1: his history, go look at how he's performed over years.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thinks he's, you know,
Speaker 1: fresh into the NFL and this is like his you
Speaker 1: know this, but talk about that. Yeah, he's this is
Speaker 1: every year that he has signed like a one year deal,
Speaker 1: a prove it deal, he's done it, he's been really good.
Speaker 1: Then he gets like a three year deal out of it,
Speaker 1: and he never makes it to the second year of
Speaker 1: that because he doesn't perform to that level. And then
Speaker 1: he goes and gets another deal and he I think
Speaker 1: this is like his eighth or ninth year, So he's
Speaker 1: kind of done this. I was kind of shocked when
Speaker 1: you told me that. Yeah. Wow, So he hasn't been
Speaker 1: as great all the time. It's been an up and
Speaker 1: down type of career at times. But so investing a
Speaker 1: lot of money him is a bit of a risk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. But but I'll say this, I think
Speaker 1: he's I think he's perfect for what Fossil's doing. And
Speaker 1: so punters want to play for him because because we've
Speaker 1: talked about this set several times, he protects the punter.
Speaker 1: He's his reputation is one of a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: do a lot of fakes, and you know, he's getting
Speaker 1: very good numbers out of it, because all you have
Speaker 1: to do is go up there, pump the ball high far.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna gonna return it because CJ. Goodwin's already down
Speaker 1: there waiting on him to catch it. So it's a
Speaker 1: good situation to be a punter here. And I think
Speaker 1: that they'll get a good one. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it'll be Anger, I don't know if it'll be Hecker.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they'll get a good one because
Speaker 1: even if the money's not great, it's a good place
Speaker 1: for them to be. All right, appreciate you guys. Join us.
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