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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two

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Speaker 1: anton the show. We're joined by Tom Ware, a former

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Speaker 1: outfitter and one of the most consistently successful mature buck

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Speaker 1: hunters in the country. And before we get started, big

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Speaker 1: thank you to Lacrosse Boots for their support of this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. I've been wearing La Cross rober boots for

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Speaker 1: all of my white tail hunts since I was I'm

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx. And today on the show, we've got Tom Where.

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Speaker 1: And Tom is is pretty well known in the white

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Speaker 1: tail hunting world these days because of his work with

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Speaker 1: our friends over at Drury Outdoors, and he's been featured

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Speaker 1: in their videos and shows for quite some time now,

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Speaker 1: and everyone they've had on the cast there, he's been

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that have just been getting the

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Speaker 1: job done year after year after year, more consistently than

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Speaker 1: almost anyone else I've seen out there. And that being

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Speaker 1: the case today, I wanted to get him on the

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Speaker 1: show to to just get a better idea of exactly

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Speaker 1: how he does that, and the conversation ended up being great.

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Speaker 1: Now Tom is a guy who owns and manages his

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Speaker 1: own land, so we do spend a good amount of

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Speaker 1: time talking about his management and habitat improvement ideas. And yes,

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Speaker 1: he kills some giant deer that a lot of us

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Speaker 1: can all learn from and apply to our own hunting

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Speaker 1: situations in one way or another, you know, regardless of

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Speaker 1: if that's in Iowa or Georgia, Maine, or Texas. So

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Speaker 1: we cover a loss of today and we we touch

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Speaker 1: on things such as how he tracks individual box, how

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Speaker 1: We talk about summer preparations, handling, the moment of truth,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of interesting things. We kind of go all

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Speaker 1: So with that said, before we get Tom Ware on

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Speaker 1: on our usual pregame tangents. So if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about actually hunting. Can you believe that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: believe that by the time September rolls around, I'll have

426
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: like a quarter into stubble. Maybe it should be pretty impressive.

427
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: Are you trimming it or you letting it kind of

428
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: go back with nasty? I have to. It's so embarrassing

429
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: to talk about my facial hair like this. It is

430
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: so bad that you're sarcastically bringing it up on the podcast.

431
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: It's the only thing I have on you. Just let

432
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: me have this one win, you've got it. Yeah, I

433
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: had to trim it up. The wife doesn't like it

434
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: when it gets too long and straight. So yeah, I

435
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: get to if you don't have a goat, you look twelve, yeah,

436
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: And when I do have a goat, I look sixteen maybe.

437
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: So it's funny though. We just I got my new

438
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: passport the other day or today actually, and they sent

439
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: back the old passport with it. So I compare the

440
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: picture of me now versus a picture of me when

441
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: I was fifteen or whatever it was when I got

442
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: my first passport, and that was pretty comical to see

443
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: that braces, long hair, like big bowl cut kind of thing. Um,

444
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: the facial hair wasn't too different. But I can't have

445
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: it all, right, have it all? Can't have it all. Well,

446
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of exciting stuff coming up this year,

447
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: elk hunts and all that good stuff. But I guess

448
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: we should stop. We should break here, get to our

449
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: main event with Tom Ware, who is just a white

450
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: tail legend. The guy just he gets it done. So

451
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: let's take a break here and then we'll get to town.

452
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, I do want to think

453
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: our partners at ONYX, and as we're just discussing, I

454
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: am in the midst of some last minute elk hunt

455
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: planning and a big part of that planning and digital

456
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: scouting is gonna be done with my Onyx Hunt app

457
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: on my phone, which provides me with aerial and topographical maps,

458
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: plus the public land designations and borders that are important

459
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: for me to know when deciding where to hunt, where

460
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: I can access these places and all that kind of stuff.

461
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: And then of course, once I'm actually out there hunting,

462
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I can use the app on my phone too as

463
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: a GPS, which is gonna show me where I'm at,

464
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: where I've been, and all the other information I just mentioned,

465
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: which can be done and used even if I don't

466
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: have cell phone service. So it's going to be a

467
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: very handy tool for me in the coming weeks. And

468
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: if you've got anything like that coming up yourself, you

469
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: might want to check out Onyx as well, so you

470
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: can pick up their app on your favorite mobile phone

471
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: app store, or you can learn more at onyx maps

472
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: dot com. All right with me now on the line

473
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: is Tom where. Thanks for joining me. Tom Hey, thanks

474
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: for asking Mark. Yeah, I uh, you know, we we

475
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: got to chat a couple of years ago on the

476
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: Wild podcast with Matt Um. I can't believe it's been

477
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: that long, but I but I enjoyed those chats and

478
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed watching you from afar Via. You know

479
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: everything you're doing with Drew Outdoors. So man, I'm just

480
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: glad we can do this. Absolutely I look forward to it.

481
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: I Uh. One thing is I love hunting with Drew

482
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: Outdoors and and I love kind of teaching others how

483
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: to how to hunt better and and and I've learned

484
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: from some of the best and just been blessed with

485
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: being surrounded by people in the industry that know what

486
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: they're doing. And I love to pass it on and

487
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: help other people. Uh, you know, harvest, harvest big mature

488
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: white tails and make memories. That's what it's all. That's

489
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: what life should be all about, you know. Yeah, yeah,

490
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: I agree. So so how did that start for you?

491
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: How do I mean, how did you get to this point? Um?

492
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people see you and

493
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: and the type of success you're having from a hunting standpoint,

494
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: and there's like, wow, this guy has got all figured out.

495
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: But I gotta believe that that didn't just start from

496
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: the get go, right, Oh absolutely not. No. I Actually

497
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: I grew up, Um my father was a big duck

498
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: hunter and goose hunter, and he paid no attention to

499
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: white tails whatsoever. And I was. I was duck hunting

500
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: with him one time and we were walking back from

501
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: the duck blind uh back to the cabin and uh

502
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: I found a ship handler and I was asking me

503
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: and I was just a kid, you know, and I

504
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: was just like, damn, this is cool. You know, like

505
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: when those deer broke his hand on it off and

506
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: he's like no, and he told me, he's like no,

507
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: they actually shed them and they grow, you know, it's

508
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 1: a memory and they grows every year and sometimes they

509
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: get bigger. And he and I was just intrigued with that.

510
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: I was like what. And he started telling me about

511
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: the velvet you know and all that, and as a kid,

512
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so interesting to me. It was

513
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: to me anyway, and so I, uh every time we'd

514
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: be duck hunting, every now and then you'd see deer.

515
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: You know, we hunted next to the Illinois River and

516
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: and uh Pike County, Illinois, and so anyway you'd see

517
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: some deer up there, and I'd always be instead of

518
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: looking for ducks, and ducks will be coming in and

519
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: they shooting. I'm looking at these deer, you know. And

520
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: so anyway, I kind of grew into uh where I'd

521
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: always asked him in the evenings if we could go

522
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: out and look for deer, and you know, he was

523
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: probably like, oh, this kid is interested in the wrong thing,

524
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, but it, uh, it was great. And eventually

525
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: when I was in college, he bought into a farm

526
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: and they there was four guys and they called it

527
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: four Guys Farm, and I was the fifth tag along.

528
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I was a fifth wheel, I guess. And uh, we

529
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: just shotgun hunting. We knew nothing about deer hunting whatsoever.

530
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: We'd always we'd, you know, opening day of deer season,

531
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: we'd we'd rush out there and pay no attention to

532
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the wind or anything at all. We just get on

533
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: like four corners of the farm, you know, and four

534
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: and I'd be in the middle or something like that.

535
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: You know. Everybody had their little place, and we weren't

536
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: very successful whatsoever, but we we had we had fun,

537
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, So it all started. That's awesome. So so

538
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: then who who helped you or how did you then

539
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: take that next step? Because he went from just going

540
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: out there and having a good time to all of

541
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: a sudden getting to a point where you're, you know,

542
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: consistently having success targeting and killing the chure Bucks. Did

543
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you have like a mentor or some influences that got

544
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: you there? It was just well, I started getting into

545
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: uh my cousin. It was kind of finger shooting a

546
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: bow one day and at the duck club and I started,

547
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, Dad, I think I want

548
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: one of these bowl in air. I was, you know.

549
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: So he went and bought me a golden eagle, and

550
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I was a finger shot. And I remember again going

551
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: back to duck hunting, and I was duck hunting coming back.

552
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: I was, actually I was. I didn't start till late.

553
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I was already married. I was with my father in

554
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: law and brother in law and we're duck hunting and

555
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: we came around the edge of this tip of this

556
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: timber and there was this on the way back to the

557
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: the cabin again and there was this big scrape and

558
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: next of this cornfield and it's kind of open country,

559
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: not very much timber, but we saw this big scrape

560
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I'm gonna put a stand

561
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: right here. I've been I've been shooting with this bow,

562
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I got I bought a stand, had

563
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: an old chain all, you know. So I I drove

564
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: down on a four wheeler and didn't get there till

565
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: like three o'clock trying to put up this stand. Again,

566
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: really knew nothing about it, you know, put the old

567
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: screw and steps in and uh and got up there,

568
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, it's kind of getting

569
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: that time where deer start moving. By the time I

570
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: got it up, took me a couple hours. And uh

571
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: climbed up in there, and the four wheelers literally ten

572
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: yards behind me, just right by the tree, you know,

573
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: and I had my bow and I was like, you know,

574
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: I climbed up with that and and and uh again

575
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: knew nothing, and uh the wind happened to be in

576
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: the right way, and and sure enough, here comes this buck.

577
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: It comes right into that scrape and starts pawning, and

578
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I lit. My heart was just pounding. I still remember that.

579
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: And and I drew back and I couldn't even find

580
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: the peep site. I was. I was so just jacked up,

581
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, And and I remember he was so close.

582
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta be, you know, I gotta

583
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: be on him. And I shot and I knew it

584
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: hid in the body, and uh, he ran all the

585
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: way up and like for a couple of hundred yards

586
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and then went over the levee and and I remember

587
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: calling my dad. I had a bag phone. This is

588
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: how long ago. So I had a bag phone in

589
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: the car and yeah, and I called him and I

590
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I shot this monster buck, you know.

591
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: And he ended up score. We found him the next

592
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: day after a long I could tell you long story,

593
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: but we don't have enough time. And uh, and I

594
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: we found him. And from that day on, man, I

595
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: was a bow hunter and I didn't even want a

596
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: duck hunt anymore. I just I was all about deer hunt,

597
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: you know. So and so then the next step was

598
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: we had a farmer next to this four guys farm

599
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: I told you about previously, that had about a thousand

600
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: acres and he he was a deer hunter and he

601
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: didn't lease it out. It was kind of before is

602
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: when outfitters just started kind of coming around in Pike County, Illinois.

603
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: And uh, he would always let us kind of since

604
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: there was the four guys farm was a hundred and

605
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: fifteen acres, so it was kind of tight with all

606
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the agriculture and stuff. It was kind of tight for

607
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: five guys. And he would usually in day two, day three,

608
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: he would say, Hey, if you guys want to go

609
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: over in this timber or whatever, I'll let you go

610
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: over there. And so, uh, we we do that, and

611
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I we shotguned his property for a couple of years

612
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: and then, uh then I asked him that first year

613
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: when I after I shot that deer with the bow,

614
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: I I asked him if I go bow hunt? And

615
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: he said sure. And the next year after that he

616
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: called me up. He said, hey, I'm going to lease

617
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: it out. And this was in he leased. He said,

618
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lease it out. Um to uh that one

619
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: of these outfitters. And I asked him, I said, what's

620
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: an outfitter? I didn't even know what they were. He's like, oh,

621
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: they they you know, they bring in these non resident

622
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: hunters and they kind of kind of a vacation for

623
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: him and they come hunt for like a week and

624
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: and the you know, they charge them and and uh

625
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: they you know, sometimes they have a cabin, sometimes they

626
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: get hotels. And so I started looking them up and

627
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this would be great, you know,

628
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: and I'd like to be an outfitter, you know. So

629
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: so I actually said, hey, would you I s this landowner,

630
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: would you would you split the money with me if

631
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: I was an outfit the first year and and least

632
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: out to me instead of these other guys. And he's like,

633
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll do that, And so that's kind

634
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: of how it started. I didn't even know, um really,

635
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, I had only shot that one deer and uh.

636
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I was just such a green amateur. I had no

637
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: clue how to really do anything, and um so um uh.

638
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: The next step is I was an out for the

639
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: first year. I had a friend named Joe giz Dick,

640
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: which he's he works for White Tell Properties. He was

641
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: an outfitter, if you know Joe. He Uh, I hadn't

642
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: add in the paper, um for trying trying, like in St.

643
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Louis paper, trying to get customers and stuff. And he

644
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: saw that and he called me, says, do you need

645
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: any help? And I said, well, I can't afford any employees,

646
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: you know. And he was like, I'll tell you what.

647
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I'll trade you out, um work for you know, putting

648
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: up stands and everything for for hunting rights. And I said,

649
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: you got a deal. And so Joe came over and

650
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: he really helped me out. He knew he'd been working

651
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: for another outfitter in central Illinois for a few years,

652
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: and um so he knew a lot about just the

653
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: afita industry. He he really helped me kind of get going.

654
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: And uh I had been working for my family's convenience

655
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: store chain, and so I was kind of I grew

656
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: up in the business world, so I knew a lot

657
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: about business, and Joe wanted to start his own outfitting business.

658
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: So I kind of helped him on the business side,

659
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: and he helped me. Excuse me, I got a frog

660
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: in my throat. He helped me on the just how

661
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: to play stands, and you know, he helped me a

662
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: lot on just uh win you know, win direction and

663
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: just get just getting to know the basics. And uh

664
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how I started out, So the

665
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: very beginning. That's awesome. So you started the outfitting business

666
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: and how long did you have the run the outfitting

667
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: there for? Well, I I started in ninety nine and

668
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: uh actually in about two thousand that I got one

669
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: more story for you that the next step was Joe.

670
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Joe worked with me, but I kind of wanted to

671
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: be able to go to you can't you can't you know,

672
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: major in college in in white tails, I mean, you can.

673
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of is there's like

674
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: a guiding school out in Colorado or something like that.

675
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: But I was like, I want to be able to

676
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: excel quickly and learn as much as I can. I've

677
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: always been like that. I just whatever I get into,

678
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: I want to learn as much as I can, as

679
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: much as I can, as fast as I can. So

680
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: I was talking to this car salesman and he said, hey,

681
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: you ought to hire that stand Potts and I was like, yeah,

682
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I've heard Stand. I didn't know much about him, but

683
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, the TV shows were kind of just getting

684
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: started at that time, and so I called Stand and

685
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I remember I offered Stand, which in the this was

686
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and this about all the money

687
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: I had. I had three thousand dollars and I offered Standing.

688
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Met him at Steak and Shake, and uh, he was

689
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: really kind of in the beginning. He was like, you know,

690
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: really nervous, like who is this kid? What's he wants?

691
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: So I just I just sat it down. I just

692
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: said Stand. I told him exactly. I said, I've been

693
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: a duck hunter. I know nothing about deer hunter. I

694
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, I started my first year outfitting, and we

695
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: got I think, you know, I had a few customers

696
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: in but really lost lost a lot of money in

697
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: that first year, not knowing what I was doing, and

698
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: and I said I need to I would like you to. Basically,

699
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: it was around February, and I said, if you could

700
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: just walk the woods with me this time of year,

701
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: we'll look for shed, antler and stuff like that. And

702
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: if you can just think out loud and just tell

703
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: me what you're thinking. Why you would hunt this stand

704
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: or put a stand here, Why would you pick this tree?

705
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: How would you access it? You know, and and and

706
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know, when you look at it.

707
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: We didn't have as many deer cameras at that time,

708
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: you know, so we look at deer tracks and say

709
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: it looks like a three year older, that looks like

710
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a mature deer, you know, and stuff like that. It

711
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: was totally different. Or a scrape line or a rub line,

712
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And so that's what he did. He actually, um,

713
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I hired him to take me out ten full days

714
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: for that money and spend a full day with me

715
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and just think out loud and and uh stand and killed.

716
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: He was one a few that he killed some giant

717
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: deer at the time. I think he he had Illinois

718
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: second in the state as far as typical to oh one,

719
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: I think something like that. So he killed some giant

720
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: deer around Clinton, Illinois, and uh, I hired him and

721
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: he kind of took me under his wing and taught me,

722
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: just taught me a ton about white tail hunting. And

723
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: uh then through the outfitting industry, I had people in

724
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: like Bill Winkie, h Greg Miller. Um. I ended up

725
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: buying a farm in Iowa later from Don Kisski, and uh,

726
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, met a lot of guys in the industry,

727
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: and they all hunted differently. They all had different thoughts

728
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: of how to hunt. And I just kind of soaked

729
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: all that knowledge in and and you know, put it

730
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: in my file cabinet in my brain and try to

731
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: learn from everybody. That's yeah, heck of a set of

732
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: influences there. Yeah, I was. I was just surrounding myself

733
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: with the right people and was very lucky to be

734
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: able to meet them, meet him, and and they were

735
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: willing to share their knowledge and it was it was awesome.

736
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember anything on those on those

737
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: days with stand was there any like light switched moment

738
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: for you with him that first you know mentor to

739
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: watch you around for ten days. Was there anything that

740
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: still stands out today that you remember, Oh when Stan

741
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: brought this up, or this thing I learned from Stand

742
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: changed everything for me. Is there anything like that that

743
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: stands out still? Uh? Well, I I know, you know,

744
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: if if if I would compare it like how Stand

745
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: hunted and killed big deer compared to others. One thing

746
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: Stand did is is different than like Bill Winky, completely different.

747
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Bill would pay all attention to how he accessed. He

748
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: would go up like a lot of times he would

749
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: go up a deep ravine to the tip of it

750
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: where the bucks would go around on the agricultural side

751
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: of it. They go around the deep ditch, you know,

752
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: just they kind of walked timber, just like people do.

753
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: They go the easiest route. Well, that's kind of how

754
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Bill hunted. He would he would pay a big attention

755
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: to access For Stand. A lot of times Stand was

756
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: getting invited to go to an outfitting location and he

757
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: might be hunting there, you know, the sixth or the ninth.

758
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: So he knew that during the peak of the rut um,

759
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: he's just got to get to the main travel corridor

760
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: where the most does are and maybe that part of

761
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: the timber where they're going to be traveling all day.

762
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: And he didn't really he just said I remember asking him,

763
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: how am I going to get to this load this

764
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: tree right here standing? He was just like, don't worry

765
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: about it during those times. Just get here. I don't

766
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: care if you have to trample all through here. You

767
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: just get your butt in this tree and sit here

768
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: all day, you know, and you don't have a good

769
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: chance killing the big buck, you know. And and uh

770
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: so he just it was he he was, you know,

771
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: he would find the tree. I remember he at the

772
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: end he would quiz it. It It was kind of fun

773
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: because he would say, okay, in this timber right here,

774
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: I've got a tree picked out. Now you pick out

775
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: the tree you would you would pick out, and then

776
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: tell me why you would pick it out. So I

777
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: was it was kind of like a little test. Let's see, kid, here,

778
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: let's see if you're going to pass this test or not.

779
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: And and near the end there about eighty percent a

780
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: time I was picking out the same tree, you know.

781
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: And it was it wasn't just like you know on

782
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: ten yard radius. It was like you know, in this

783
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: hundred yard or two hundred yard area, which tree would

784
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: you pick out? And why? And how would the wind

785
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: currents flow? And you know, it was, it was, it was,

786
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great learning experience for me.

787
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: But that that's really the main thing I remember about

788
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Stannus and and all the others. I usually remembered how

789
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: they hunted compared to everybody else. Was there anyone else

790
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: of that group that stood out as being really different?

791
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: You mentioned how Billy You's really focused on access. Stan

792
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: was all about getting the best stuff right away. Anything

793
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: with like Don Kiski or any of those other guys

794
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: that stands out that was interesting or unique? Yeah, Don was. Uh.

795
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: I went to I was getting older and working for

796
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: the family business and and had a little bit more money.

797
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: And then uh uh, when I met Don was when

798
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: I actually stand recommended. Uh. I said, I had seen

799
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: the peak in Pike County and the land values go

800
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: from like nine dollars an acre two um, kind of

801
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, almost five thousand dollars an acre. Now they've

802
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: dropped back off. But and I said, where's the next

803
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: ripple effect going to happen? And you know we were talking,

804
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: I said I think southern, I will up there, and

805
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: he says, I agree, And I was like, I wish

806
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I knew a farm for sale, I'd go look at one.

807
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: He says, well, it was Turkey season. He goes, well,

808
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Don Don Kandy Kiski gotta I got a farm for sale.

809
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, when you want to go

810
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: up there with me? And we couldn't schedule other than

811
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: he goes, the only day I got availables tomorrow. So

812
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: I was like, man, let's go. So we went up

813
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: there and I fell in love with this piece of

814
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: gram But don you know, that's kind of when I

815
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: really first started seeing I had messed around with food

816
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: plots as an outfitter, but Don Don did a great

817
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: job of really kind of you know, putting a lot

818
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: of food plots out and larger food plots, and you know,

819
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: that was kind of the beginning of the food plot era.

820
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I would say, that's kind of what I

821
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: learned from Don. You know, he just had a lot

822
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: of big Bucks and in Iowa and not near as

823
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: much pressure, and it was a little bit easier than

824
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: in Pike County trying to compete against fifty different outfitters

825
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: in the state, and you know, he had non residents

826
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: that were uh coming in from Pennsylvania, New York that uh,

827
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, if they saw one twenty that there was

828
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: a big might have been the biggest deer they've ever

829
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: shot in their life. And then so, uh we we

830
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: tried to man it. I was the first outfitter in

831
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Pike County to go to a hundred forty and I

832
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of grief from that. You know, a

833
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of the non residents, you know, they wanted to shoot.

834
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: And I remember putting a five fine on it and

835
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: boy and trying to get you know, through that process

836
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: of of saying, hey, I wanted to have you know,

837
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to basically go from a two year old

838
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: to a three year old or a three year old

839
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: or a four year old to make that progression. And

840
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: it was tough. It was tough to be the first

841
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: to do that, but um we you know, we got

842
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: it done and um you know, and I eventually sold

843
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: the outfiting business in two thousand ten, I think it was.

844
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: I was. I was an out for for about eleven years.

845
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: But I learned a lot, learned a lot and not

846
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: to overpressure stand and you know, only put that a

847
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: few customers in the state we had we had three

848
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: hundred sets and um and and some some stands didn't

849
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: even get hunted, you know. So I was all about

850
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: just just not putting very many customers in the in

851
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the same stand day after day, you know. But you

852
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: have to have a lot of land to do that.

853
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've always thought that being an outfitter has

854
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: got to be one of the most one of the

855
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: best ways to get like a PhD on deer because

856
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: it's not like you're just hunting yourself. You're hunting for

857
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: a dozen people or dozens of people or ever thinking

858
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: through how to place all these different people and then

859
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: getting reports back from each one of them. So it's

860
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: it's like you can test something and then get the

861
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: feedback on it right away. So I got a lot

862
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: of Yeah, yeah, it was fun because we i'd have

863
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: I had I had fully guided camp, and then I

864
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: did offer a semi guided camp, but the fully guy

865
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: that I'd have dinner with the guys every night and

866
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: we'd sit around the table and we just sit there

867
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: and talk about, Hey, you know, they saw this big bucket,

868
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: how did you how did you get coach where did

869
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: he come from? And you'd mentally note that and then uh,

870
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, did he busting in the stand or did

871
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: he catch your win? Did he? Um? You know, we

872
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: didn't have all the of course, we didn't have any

873
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: box blinds or anything like that back then. Um. If

874
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: they did, they were kind of homemade, homemade platforms that

875
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: we had put in the fork of a tree or

876
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, and I tried to stay

877
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: away from those as an outfit or just for safety.

878
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, you definitely learn on a much quicker pace,

879
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: in which that's what I loved. I loved learning. So yah,

880
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: is there is there anything from that time period that

881
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: that you learned during that kind of like overload of

882
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: information that you still come back to now today just

883
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: hunting on your own. Were there any big takeaways from

884
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: that period? Um? I would say one big takeaway is,

885
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you get the guys out of East

886
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: there's you know, the high density of Pennsylvania New York

887
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: hunters that wanted to come to Midwest Austin. They're used

888
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: to hunting all timber, and everybody wanted to go in

889
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: the biggest block of timber you had, and it seemed

890
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: like that's that's not where we killed the big box,

891
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean sometimes we did, but it seemed

892
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: like I always learned that those CRP fields and the

893
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: edges of this or a you know, a little water

894
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: and hole and maybe a little bit on the edge

895
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: of a timber and c RP or stuff like that

896
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: is where it seemed in. Now now it's all about food.

897
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's what I do now. We

898
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: can probably get into that later, but you know, I'm

899
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: a big advocate of food, food, food, you know, plant

900
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: the food. So so yeah, let's let's talk about what

901
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: the situation is now. So you went from running this

902
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: outfitting business too, now you're doing your own thing. I

903
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: know you've got some buddies hunting with you and family

904
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But um, but is it right

905
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: you hunt in Iowa, Illinois, Missouri? Is that correct? Yep, yep.

906
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: I got farms in all three states. Yeah, So how

907
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: do you manage like, how do you do you manage

908
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: the time between those spots? Because I've got a couple

909
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: of spots. I hunt a lot, and I can do

910
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: some property management and things, and I can do some

911
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: hunting on both of those. But It's always a challenge

912
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: of mine to figure out how to split the limited

913
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: time I have between all these different places when it

914
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: comes to all the off season work and then actually

915
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: during the hunting season, Like how do you manage your

916
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: time between those farms both, you know, whether it is

917
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: like preseason work and management or actually out there during

918
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: the season. Well, as far as hunting them, uh and

919
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: where to hunt, I usually let the deer tell me

920
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: where to hunt, you know, if I let the you know,

921
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: the reconics cameras I put out, I let them kind

922
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: of you know by checking them. Um. And and now

923
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: I'm actually buying some quite a few cell cameras so

924
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I'll be able to actually look at my phone and go, Okay,

925
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: what state do I need to be in tomorrow. It's

926
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: the technology is crazy. And I know some people hate

927
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: the technology with deer hunting, and they think that hunting,

928
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, it should all be about not having technology.

929
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: But um, it's it's still it's still nature. When you're

930
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: sitting out there in a tree stand or a box

931
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: blind to me, uh, you know, I try to put

932
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: the phone away and uh and and just enjoy you know,

933
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: God's work. But but as far as getting there and

934
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: where to hunt. I do use the technology, but I

935
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: let that kind of guide me where the biggest buck are,

936
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: the most mature buck might be, and during daylight, and

937
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: and then I'll try to hunt there and maybe if

938
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: there if there's a reconics camera or food plot um

939
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: that did this show our scrape or something that's showing, Hey, this,

940
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: there's a mature buck visiting often this this location during daylight,

941
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: he's probably the easiest to kill right now. Then I

942
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: usually will kind of go, you know, let that guide me.

943
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: What about when it comes to the work you're doing,

944
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, how much I feel it. I feel like

945
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people there's there's sort of this kind

946
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: of growing um. I don't know if it's resentment or

947
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: something within the hunting world, where there's people that that

948
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: do have properties and they manage them and they have

949
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: a great time and they're killing great bucks, and there's

950
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: some people that don't have those same resources opportunities, and

951
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes they look at stuff that's going on TV

952
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: and they complain, oh, well, that guy only kills big

953
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: deer because he's got this big farmer, he's got so

954
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: much money, or etcetera. Etcetera, etcetera. Um, but I think that,

955
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's value in looking at all

956
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: sorts of different types of situations. So I think that

957
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: if you hunt public land, it's important to learn from

958
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: guys that hunt in public land too. But at the

959
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: same time, you can learn things or take things away

960
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: even from people that hunt in a different situation. But

961
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: I have found that a lot of people assume that

962
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: folks with their own properties just haven't made in the shade.

963
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: Like just because you own property all of a sudden

964
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: that means big deer going to be there, Or just

965
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: because you have a farm in Iowa or Illinois or whatever,

966
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: it's just a piece of cake. But after talking to

967
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: people that are in those situations, you inevitably find out

968
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: that there's actually and unbelievable amount of work that goes

969
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: into that. Um oh yeah, can you speak. There's a

970
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of preparation, and you know,

971
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: I would say the biggest thing, I I am blessed

972
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: with property. You know, I'm able to you know, I've

973
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: worked hard and I you know, you can say all that,

974
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: but I do have different properties. And the biggest thing

975
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: I can say about you know, buying farms, and um

976
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: it is you have the biggest thing to get big deer.

977
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: You can have big farms, but that doesn't mean you're

978
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: gonna have a big deer. You have to pass. You

979
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: have to pass the big deer. I mean, people won't

980
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: believe me. I mean, but I do have video to

981
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: back it up. I mean I've passed them, just gigantual

982
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: on deer, and then I've regretted it later. I remember

983
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: passing a big buck just just a few years ago

984
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: in Iowa, and he was a five year old, and

985
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: my goal was to shoot a two inch deer still

986
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: having shot one. Actually shot one, but I didn't kill it.

987
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: I did recovered and he lived and grew another act

988
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: the next year. But I uh, I remember the buck

989
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I was referring to earlier was I passed. We found

990
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: his sheds and it was a hundred and he came

991
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: right into a decoy and it was just like a

992
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: chip shot. But we we knew by We had tons

993
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: of reconics pictures of him, and we're like, you know,

994
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: he's not a two year He's on the best part

995
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: of my property where he's least likely. He was kind

996
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: of a homeboy and I was like, you know, he

997
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: doesn't wander too much, so I don't think and even

998
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: if he does, or he wandered onto a lease that

999
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: I had next to my property and it was in Iowa,

1000
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I just don't think.

1001
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: And the and the neighbor to the north was a

1002
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: friend of mine and we had talked to me. He's like,

1003
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm not shooting to me there. In fact, his wife

1004
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: had had passed the same deer and his nickname was

1005
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: Sly and uh, long story short, the next year he

1006
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: went from a one. He shed his antlers at the

1007
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: end of November, so he was sick with Mark. Mark

1008
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Drewy thinks that we talked a lot about it. He says,

1009
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: I probably had a tad bit of e h D.

1010
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: And he just fought through it and lived. But he

1011
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: dropped his um. He dropped his antlers early, and then

1012
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the next year he grew a set of like one

1013
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: sixty And so we passed him again the next year,

1014
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: thinking well, he'll recover, he'll come back again the next year.

1015
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: Well we actually found him dead at the end of

1016
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: that year. And uh so it was you know, I regretted.

1017
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I was like dang. I wish I would have shot him,

1018
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, but it's you know, you'll never you never

1019
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: shoot two inch if if you shoot No. One nineties,

1020
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: you know. So that was my goal and I still

1021
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: haven't got there, but one of these days I'm hoping to. Yeah,

1022
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's it probably it's it's all

1023
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: relative to where you're at and what's around there. Right,

1024
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: So in your situation, as could be a one forty,

1025
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: it could be in yea as the one thirties. Absolutely,

1026
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm just blessed to be in the Midwest where you know,

1027
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: they can grow just enormous racks. Yeah, that's a that's

1028
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: a unique situation. But certainly something that it is is

1029
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: awesome and it's got to be a lot of fun

1030
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: to be in that kind of area where you can

1031
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: see a deer like that and followed deer like that

1032
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: year to year. Um, what do you I imagine would

1033
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: you would you agree that a lot of your success

1034
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: probably is um would you pin a lot of your

1035
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: success on the property work you're doing, the ways that

1036
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: you are improving the property, thinking through the property, strategically

1037
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: planning things. Is that a big part of what you're

1038
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: doing is leading to this success. Would you say, yeah,

1039
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I think it's everything. I think it's uh when you

1040
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, it could be anything from when I buy

1041
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: a piece of property. A lot of times many of

1042
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: the pieces of property I bought have been like maybe

1043
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: old pasture they used to have a lot of cattle

1044
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: running on it. And then you know, you can just

1045
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: one year will make a huge difference on a property

1046
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: like that, where all that you know, if the cows

1047
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: aren't on there anymore, then that's all growing up in

1048
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: the nice betting area. The deer going to bed there

1049
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more often now that the cattle aren't there,

1050
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: and they're getting bumped up all the time. So um,

1051
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: and there's you know a lot of fresh new growth.

1052
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna come in and bed there. And then you

1053
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: might add some crp. You might add some switch grass. Um,

1054
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: just a lot of brush grows up. You might add agriculture.

1055
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: So they have food betting. They got a lot of bedding,

1056
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: like you know, switch grass, and just secure betting where

1057
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: they feel secure, feel comfortable. It's just a lot different

1058
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: than the past year. And the uh, maybe the timber

1059
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: that's eight down from the cows, you know, like it

1060
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: used to be. They it'll just change it and all

1061
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden you'll have more white tails living on

1062
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: your farm and uh, and then you know they might

1063
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: have not managed that property in the past. So then

1064
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: you have to go through years of of literally passing

1065
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, to three and actually literally passing four years.

1066
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe a deer is at its potential until

1067
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: it's five. And and that's just me and everyone's got

1068
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's got their different opinions. I tried to

1069
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: let Tear reach five years old, and I just think

1070
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: they I've seen him so many times, especially between three

1071
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: and four, but even between four and five, they'll just

1072
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: grow another you know. I have a deer this year

1073
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: on one of my farms. I don't want to say where,

1074
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: but he was about one one sixty and uh last

1075
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: year as a four year old and uh this year,

1076
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: I just got pictures of him just like three days ago,

1077
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: and we pulled them off off three conics and I

1078
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, and he just grew and

1079
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: we I sent him Mark Jury and I was like,

1080
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: how big do you think this deer is? And and

1081
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't tell him what I thought it was.

1082
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: And he came back. He said, to one ninety is

1083
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: his guests and and uh I was He said, how

1084
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: big do you think it is? And I said, I

1085
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: was hoping he would make one. And he says, I

1086
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: think he probably will. He goes, I think I'm being

1087
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: a little conservative. And um so anyway, you know that's

1088
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: if if I would have shot him last year. It

1089
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: has been a trophy deer one sixty. Everyone's super happy

1090
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: with those, and uh, even in the Midwest. And I

1091
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: think I won sixties. If everyone can say is a

1092
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: trophy deer, you know, something to be very very proud of.

1093
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: And but you know, if if I would have shot

1094
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: him last year, he wouldn't he wouldn't have grown extra

1095
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: thirty inches. So uh, you know that that's what I

1096
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: really specialize in. I would say, is is this the willingness?

1097
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm lucky though I I get to hunt more than

1098
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: the average person. Uh, and so you know I'm out

1099
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: there hunting a lot. If if I if I only

1100
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: got to hunt on the weekends or you know, one

1101
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: day a week or one day a month, Um, then

1102
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: you know I'm going to shoot that dear and and

1103
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: and and then that's the difference since Uh, I am,

1104
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm just very lucky. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean to

1105
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: your point, there's something we said about having that time

1106
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: and uh being able to be a little more cheosy

1107
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: because of those opportunities. But well, you mentioned like when

1108
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: you're picking up a new farm and you look for

1109
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: sometimes spots with pastures and kind of almost a blank

1110
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: canvas when you've gone to that purchasing decision, because it

1111
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: sounds like you you bought a couple of handful of

1112
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: farms of the years. Are there any other things that

1113
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: you're looking for that have been like a good thing

1114
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: to have on a property when you start, like I

1115
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: always want to look for X, or it's great to

1116
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: get a property with Y on it because it sets

1117
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: you up, you know better, Anything like that that stands

1118
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: out that you look for. Yeah, a lot of times

1119
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: when I'll look at the first thing I look at

1120
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at farm as the aerial photo. You know,

1121
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: usually when you're searching for farms for sale, that's how

1122
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: the realtors they put them on their website or whatever,

1123
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: so you're you have access to the aerial photo and

1124
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: then I'll try to zoom out from that aerial photo

1125
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'll look at what timber is around it is

1126
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: they're connecting timbers that maybe might carry a big deer

1127
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: than it might be able to carry more big deer

1128
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: because they're during the rut, they're going to travel onto you.

1129
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: Or is your farm the only area with timber um,

1130
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: or maybe your farm doesn't have much timber than the

1131
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: neighbor farm has timber, but you can draw them in

1132
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: there by planting food. So I look at things like that,

1133
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: and then I look at the access of how um.

1134
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: Like let's say, UM, I buy eight acre um farm

1135
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: that's in the shape of a rectangle or something. UM.

1136
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: Usually I'll try to I'll try to put my food plots.

1137
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm big on food, Like I mentioned earlier, I'll

1138
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: try to put my food plots, usually on the exterior

1139
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: of the farm, no matter how big it is, UM

1140
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: and so that I can access that farm. Hopefully I

1141
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: have access from each direction. That would be ideal, but

1142
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: that's very rarely the case. But when I'm when buying

1143
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: a farm, I try to have at least two spots,

1144
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, let's say the north and the south or

1145
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: the east and the west or something like that. And

1146
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: then I'll put those food plots, so that basically, when

1147
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: you're going into that food plot, um and putting up

1148
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: a box blind or a tree stand, you want the

1149
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: wind in your face blown away from where the deer betted.

1150
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: And you know that's it sounds common sense. But you know,

1151
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: back in the day when I was hunting the four

1152
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: Guys farm with my dad, I mean, we know that

1153
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: that was never even considered. And I I still talk

1154
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: to people today, like my buddy I hunt with Clem.

1155
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: We call him. His name is Mike Clements and his dad,

1156
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, he says they still all hunt the way

1157
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: four guys farm guys, did you know. I mean, they

1158
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: they're just shotgun hunters, and they wonder why they don't

1159
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: kill anything, and well, a deer lives by his nose,

1160
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know they know those guys are there.

1161
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: And and so we just paid try to pay attention

1162
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: to the really the common and sense things. And hey,

1163
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: if you can get into your lot, your location, whether

1164
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: tree stand, a ground blind, a box blind, something like that,

1165
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: and hunt food where you know those deer are gonna

1166
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: come to that restaurant, so to speak, um, and you

1167
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: can be there waiting for him without them knowing beforehand,

1168
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: and your odds are going to significantly increase. And it's

1169
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: just I just try to use the you know, it's

1170
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: not rocket science or anything. It's just you know, I

1171
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: try to plan a lot of food and and and

1172
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: bring them to me. Yeah. What other things are you

1173
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: thinking about when you're planning a food plot, planning or planting?

1174
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean you talked about the importance of

1175
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: having these plots located on the Exeter years you've got

1176
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: easy access, But is there anything else that you're thinking through,

1177
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: Like do you try to have them tight to betting

1178
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: ears or far from betting ears, or do you anything

1179
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: else like that? Yeah? Absolutely, I was just going to

1180
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: say that before you said it tight to betting areas,

1181
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: because it seems like they will if you want those deer.

1182
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean you can make them, uh, not so tight.

1183
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you won't see deer there, but

1184
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: it seems like you see the dough you know, anybody

1185
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: that's a hunter, they see the doughes come out first,

1186
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: and then those mature bucks, you know, all of a sudden,

1187
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: if you do see him, they'll be in that they'll

1188
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: step out in that back corner. Just fifteen minutes before

1189
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: dark or whatever. But if if you have some of

1190
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: these um these food plots that are they're tucked in

1191
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: tight to betting um, it seems like, you know, all

1192
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're showing up an hour an hour

1193
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: and a half before dark, and you're like, man, I

1194
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,479
Speaker 1: can't believe this deer's on the field during this daylight. Well,

1195
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: it's just you know, he's getting up stretching his legs,

1196
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: and he's he's not he's been he's not betted very

1197
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: far from there, and he feels comfortable. He's been there

1198
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: and there's been no other intrusion. You're not out there

1199
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: throwing a football in the backyard and and letting you know.

1200
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's it's where he goes every day

1201
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: and feels comfortable. Maybe there's you have water clothes. Sometimes

1202
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: you can play them right next to water where they're

1203
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna want to get a drink and and eat. So

1204
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: things like that you try to think about it might

1205
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: be tougher to get to those locations. Maybe they you know,

1206
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe your block of timber is kind of in the middle,

1207
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: and you have to plant in the middle of your

1208
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: property because that's the only thick betting area. Then then

1209
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: do it? I would I would say, do it. I

1210
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 1: have a farm like that in Missouri where my best

1211
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: food pod, my most successful area is is right in

1212
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: the middle of my farm. I have to So that's

1213
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of you know, against the grain or against what

1214
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: I normally do. But in that on that farm, I

1215
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: have to do what it takes. I have to get

1216
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: in there next to the biggest chunk of timber and

1217
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: betting area that I can to be able to see

1218
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: those mature bucks during daylight. How do you do that

1219
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: then without screwing things up? From the access standpoint, Um,

1220
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: what kind of scenario or what have you done to

1221
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: allow yourself to be able get in the middle without

1222
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: screwing the pooch? Well? You a lot of times it's

1223
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: just by testing it, you know, like all access. I

1224
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: used to access this particular location from more the northwest

1225
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: and used to come in through the middle of an

1226
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 1: agri cultural field and kind of and I realized there's

1227
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: an old homestead and this this farm in Mercer County, Missouri,

1228
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: and uh I uh now, I just I realized that

1229
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: there's no dear betting bedded up where I thought they

1230
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: would be. It's kind of not a super thick timber,

1231
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a draw that leads to this

1232
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: food plot. And now I just walked down the edge

1233
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: of it. I actually mow up a moa path um

1234
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: during during the summer, and I kind of keep it. Uh.

1235
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: One thing you did one here's a little tip, is

1236
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: is I keep my paths that I walk into the

1237
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: stand mode all year and you only I mean you

1238
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: just got a mom maybe once every two, three four weeks.

1239
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: Because if you mow him, uh, if you mow that

1240
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: some of that longer grass right before the season, just

1241
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: one time, that grass gets uh, the stems on it

1242
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: get real hard and crunchy. If you keep it mode

1243
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: during the year, they're real soft. So so you can

1244
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: access that that path real quietly. Um. So yeah, one

1245
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: thing we do is we'll we'll just take a usually

1246
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: a smaller bush hog or uh, some kind of mower

1247
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't have you know, just you know, maybe four

1248
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: or five ft wide is all, and we'll we'll mow

1249
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: our access pass and we'll keep them mode all year round,

1250
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: even to our box lines. So people probably wondering why

1251
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: are we doing that during the middle of summer, Well,

1252
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: it's just to keep those that grass nice and soft,

1253
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: so in the fall when it dries up a little bit,

1254
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it just got soft stems on it. Yeah,

1255
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, speaking of food plots, another thing

1256
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about on this front. Um. You've

1257
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: mentioned how you you feel or you've seen on some

1258
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: of your places, how it seems like each food plot

1259
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: in the area around it kind of has a king,

1260
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: so like they'll kind of be a mature buck that

1261
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: decides to call this plot in that little area home.

1262
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: And because of that, rather than having one big plot

1263
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: that has just one king, I've heard you talk about

1264
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: the idea of having multiple smaller plots, so maybe you

1265
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: can get more of these quote unquote kings or big

1266
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: mature deer to stick around. Can you can you expand

1267
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: on that, explain that a little more? Absolutely, It's it's

1268
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: actually a strategy we've we've really picked up on the

1269
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And in fact, I did a

1270
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Speaker 1: UM segment on bow Madness this year with Drewies called

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01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: King of the Plot, and uh, it was basically describing

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: that exact situation you just mentioned, and the analogy I'll

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01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: use maybe too kind of an in human terms is imagine,

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: see these big mature bucks that are five plus years old.

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: Is they're all dominant and and they hang out together

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01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: all year long until the rut and then they hate

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01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: each other. You know, they're best friends and they hang

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01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: out in these bachelor groups, but then during the rut

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: they fight and they beat each other up really bad.

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01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: And we had a lot of antlers, a lot of

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: bucks on our farms, especially in Iowa. It seemed like that.

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: I was like, man, all, my all, my big bucks

1283
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: get busted up. I mean, they get busted up pretty early.

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: You got to shoot him really if you want him

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: to have a rack. I mean, it seems like and

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: so I was like, well, how do you? How do you?

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: I guess it was because we were managing the farms

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01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: and there was more bigger bucks living there, so I

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of spread them out and see so

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: they don't run into each other as often. And so

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01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of switch grass. And

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: the best analogy I can use, it's kind of my

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01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: sound goofy, but it might help some people understand. Imagine

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01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: if you had fifteen Mike Tyson's Okay, everybody kind of

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01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: knows who Mike Tyson is. He's a big Johnet boxer

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01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: that you know, mean and he beats people up, you know.

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01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: But imagine if you had fifteen Mike Tyson's in a gymnasium,

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: walk around playing basketball whatever and there and and there.

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: You know, they have the the hormones are a full tilt,

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01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: and they only breed once a year, and they're all

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: off to going after the same woman. You know, they're

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: going to fight and and and beat each other up.

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01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: And that's that's what these bucks do. But then imagine

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: if somehow you could put almost in that gymnasium. You

1305
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: put walls up and almost make it like a hotel.

1306
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: So in essence, you're you're, you're putting so they can't

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: see each other, and it's more like rooms in a hotel.

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01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: So you you might be in a hotel right next

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: to another Mike Tyson, but you're kind of you're you're

1310
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: not You're kind of in your segment where you're you're

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: separated from him and you really don't know he's there.

1312
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're so in essence, that's kind of what

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: we we've done with food plots. We try to make

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01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: different areas where a lot of doughs might hang out,

1315
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: but hopefully they're kind of spread out so that hey, uh,

1316
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we've noticed a lot of times we'll

1317
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: sit on one food plot and the same big buck

1318
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: comes out and he'll almost make a round around that

1319
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: food plot. Let's say it's a one acre food plot.

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, he'll come around, you know, just kind of

1321
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: walk the other smaller bucks off the field. Have you

1322
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: ever seen that? And so and and then you know,

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01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe that's the five year old, but he's pushing off

1324
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: any other little smaller buck maybe three year old, two

1325
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: year old, and and sometimes even another five year old

1326
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: will come out there, but he kind of pushes him,

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01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: and so one is more dominant than the other. So

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01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: if if you could plan another food plot just two

1329
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: or three hundred yards down, then maybe that other five

1330
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: year old will will go down there. And that's what

1331
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: we've seen actually is happening. And so we plant instead

1332
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: of one maybe two acre clover field, it might be

1333
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: half braskas and half soybeans, or half clover and half

1334
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: braskas or something like that. We'll maybe plant to one

1335
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: acre plots not far from each other, and it seems

1336
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: like they kind of you know, hey, maybe that non

1337
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: dominant five year old that was just run off the

1338
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: field by the dominant one might now go old kind

1339
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: of hang out in that other clover field because they

1340
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: know that all you know that that big old buck,

1341
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: that's the dominant buck. He's always hanging out there. So

1342
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go hang out over here. And that's

1343
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: that's actually what they seemed to happen, and and our

1344
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: reconics has told us that, And so then you can

1345
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: monitor the reconics and see, oh, this buck's hanging out

1346
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: here more more often than not. I'm not saying they

1347
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: never go in there, of course they do, but they

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: it just seems like they have a favorite spot or

1349
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: a favorite food plot. And that's kind of how we've

1350
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: maybe not a good analogy with with Mike Tyson. That's

1351
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: the best analogy I can with. We try to we

1352
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: try to separate him, and that makes sense. Now, do

1353
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: you try to plant the same thing in each one

1354
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: of those plots so it's not like at one time

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: of year they all all the deer want to be

1356
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: in plot A, and then all the deer want to

1357
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: be in plot B at late season? Do you try

1358
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: to have the same kind of thing, So they do

1359
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,919
Speaker 1: spread out throughout the year or is it different kindness?

1360
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do, sometimes they don't. I I do know.

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I usually try to plant

1362
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: clover nearly in every food plot, at least around the edges.

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: If it's a circle plot or you know, whatever the

1364
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: shape is, I usually try to plant clover in part

1365
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: of that field. And the reason is I had actually

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01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: a biologist come to my farm and probably ten years

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: ago and and said, hey, if you want to create

1368
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: a deer's habit and you want them to come to

1369
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: this food plot every night, he goes plant clover because

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: clover is going to be there year round. Even during

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: the winter when they're pawing at it and snows on

1372
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: the ground, they can at least get to that green

1373
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: underneath the snow and that clover and clover is pretty

1374
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: much their year round. So um, I do try to

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: have clover in nearly, I would say, of my food plots,

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: even if it's a small amount, because I want deer

1377
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: just getting in the habit of coming there. If it's

1378
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: a braska or soybean field, cornfield or something else, then

1379
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: you know that they might die off or they you know,

1380
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: let's say it's radishes. Then once their ashes are gone,

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01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: you know they uh you know there are soybeans or

1382
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: something that once they're gone, they're they're not going to

1383
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: come there anymore. So Clover kind of prevents that from happening. Yeah,

1384
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: it's it's that incredible perennial attraction year after year and

1385
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: a lot of just most of the year, it just

1386
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: does the job. There's there's no absolutely. I've heard Mark

1387
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: say and then several guys, you know, just Clovers that

1388
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: it seems like when we've tracked what where we actually

1389
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: kill these big deer, it seems like Clover is is king.

1390
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it seems like we kill him

1391
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: on clover it. You know, it seems like they'll be uh,

1392
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: they'll it's more than fifty percent of the time, it

1393
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: seems like you'll they just they just love it people

1394
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: and they're diet. Before moving on, we are going to

1395
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: take our last break of the day to thank our

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: partners at White Tail Properties and today, continuing my bi

1397
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Speaker 1: weekly recommendations of resources put together by White Tailed Properties,

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: I want to mention another one of their land beat videos,

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Speaker 1: and this one's titled Creating Better white tail habitat and

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: it features Dr Craig Harper. He's the guy I've mentioned

1401
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: many times before and he's one of the foremost experts

1402
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: on managing habitat for white tails. And in this one,

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: he walks us through how he goes about making decisions

1404
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: on how to improve an area for native vegetation. And

1405
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: he does this by selecting certain trees that he's gonna

1406
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: cut or girdle to open up the canopy above this area,

1407
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: letting in more sunlight, which then allows deer level food

1408
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: to grow. So in this video, correct is a really

1409
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: good job of really I guess, showing us exactly what

1410
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: he's doing, you know, which trees he's choosing, why he's

1411
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: choosing them, how he's then going to deal with that tree.

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: It's very helpful stuff. So head on over to the

1413
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Speaker 1: white Tail Properties YouTube channel if you're interested in checking

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Speaker 1: that one out, or visit white Tail properties dot com

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Speaker 1: to learn more about their land specialists and the properties

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Speaker 1: they have for sale. Now back to the show. So,

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: so we're talking right now, it's uh, it's August one today.

1418
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: Um for me, I usually August is like a really

1419
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: really busy month for me. In the white tail woods.

1420
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: A lot of work going on, and then I try

1421
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: to stay out one September hits to to leave it

1422
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: and leave the area alone before hunting season. Um, so

1423
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: what are you what are you doing right now over

1424
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: these next few weeks? What kind of projects do you

1425
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: have coming up? What kind of prep work are you

1426
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna be doing here in this last month of summer?

1427
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, August is filled with fall food plots. It's

1428
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: just we're actually about a week ago we're spraying and

1429
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: killing all the the plots. Um that we're going to

1430
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: plan at Braskas in so um everything like winter bowls

1431
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: and sugar beets or by logic maximum um uh you know,

1432
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: any kind of radishes and turn ups things like that. Um,

1433
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: we are we are planning in August in the first

1434
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in August. Um all the way up

1435
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: you can plan them a heck, and Midwest you can

1436
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: plan them all the way up into September. Well. I

1437
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: try to get mine in usually around mid August sometime.

1438
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: You know, I try to ideally if you if you're

1439
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: only planting one farm or something, um, I would say

1440
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: you kind of you get it killed down and prepared

1441
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: and ready to plant, and then you just wait right

1442
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: before the rain and if you can, if your job

1443
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: allows you, you can get out just the day before

1444
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: that rain. That then that's ideal. You know. Sometimes you

1445
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: don't even have to CULTI pack it in or roll

1446
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: it in. Some people use different Uh. Usually with Nebraska,

1447
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: you want to be able to Ideally, I usually disc

1448
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: it up or or till it up and then I'll

1449
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: actually cult up pack it and then spread the seed

1450
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: and then could to pack again. And that that has

1451
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: worked the best for me. Um and then you know,

1452
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: ideally if you can do it right before rain. Uh,

1453
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't have to cul to pack it in

1454
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: that rain. If it's going to be a strong rain,

1455
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: that will just pounded in the soil and it would

1456
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: be perfect. So but that's mainly what I'm doing. And

1457
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: of course putting up tree stands and uh uh you know,

1458
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: box blinds or whatever, you know, whatever you hunt out

1459
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: of your your you know, some some people don't want

1460
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: to put out ground blinds this early because some of

1461
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: them fade or something, you know, they wind a bloom

1462
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: or you know, Um, I don't think you need to.

1463
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: I I'll pray usually wait till it spends if you're

1464
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: going to hunt the rud or early season, but I

1465
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you get them up a couple of

1466
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: weeks early, it's usually good enough. Yeah. Are you doing

1467
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of trail camera inventory scouting that kind of stuff? Yeah,

1468
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: tell me about what you do that front um. Doing

1469
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: the trail cameras, Uh is kind of fun because it's

1470
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: the first you know, you're It's kind of like all

1471
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: the hunting shows start about this time, the new ones

1472
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: get out, and then you're checking your trail cameras to

1473
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: see all what he grow into or did he make

1474
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: it from last year? Maybe a buck disappeared and all

1475
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's there, and he's been there the

1476
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: whole time. He just didn't know, never found his antlers

1477
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: or shed antlers. So that's kind of fun. It's you

1478
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 1: feel like a a little kid opening, you know, opening

1479
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: presents on Christmas morning. You're just you know, like, what

1480
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: do I got? What do I got? And uh, So

1481
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun and and uh and then yeah,

1482
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: we're glass in glass and fields don't have to do

1483
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,959
Speaker 1: that nearly as much. I remember when I was an outfitter,

1484
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: that's all I did. I mean before trail cameras. I mean,

1485
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: my wife were like, you're ever gonna come home at night,

1486
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, every single night, I mean I

1487
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: was out just trying to you know, find the tip

1488
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: of tip of some velvet antlers out in the back

1489
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 1: of the bean field, you know, and um, the cooler

1490
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: nights were always much better. I got a couple of

1491
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: guys that, uh, I'm also very lucky to have friends

1492
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: and uh that that that enjoy this passion is of

1493
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: hunting as much as I do. And and they they're

1494
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: not scared to work, and they say, we all help

1495
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: each other and you know, get on the tractors and spray.

1496
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: And I got a couple of guys that I call

1497
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: them farm managers that kind of really help a lot,

1498
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, and they do a lot of the ground

1499
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: of the work. So but anyway, they they called me

1500
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: last night and they were they're all my Illinois farm

1501
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, glassing because I think the high

1502
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: last night he got down to right before dark, it

1503
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: was like sixty seven degrees and yeah, and and and

1504
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: they were like, man, there was bucks everywhere, every every book,

1505
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: Every deer was up on his feet, and you know,

1506
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: before sundown and just in the in the bean fields

1507
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: and just uh they said they saw a lot of deer.

1508
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: I love nights like that. I love love that summer glass.

1509
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: So what's the what's the plan this year? Do you have?

1510
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: Do you have some bucks that have made it that

1511
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: you're thinking that you want to target or are you

1512
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: still waiting to figure that out or what's your what's

1513
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: your eye on so far? Yeah, it's um, it's uh,

1514
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: we have some we have some mature bucks that uh

1515
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: we were targeting. Um. Iowa kind of was tough last year.

1516
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: I had a big kill. UM. I had five out

1517
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: of my top six bucks that we were hoping would

1518
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: make it to two eighteen we found either shed season

1519
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: or turkey season. We found dead um and I don't know.

1520
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: We found one by road of course you think you

1521
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: gud By car um, and four others were just uh,

1522
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: we don't know, you know, we just I don't know. Again,

1523
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: I talked a lot with Mark Drewy and uh, you know,

1524
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: he thinks it might have been just that touch of

1525
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: e H D. Because we did that. I can't remember.

1526
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: I think we had a really dried um. We had

1527
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: dried uh August last year, because I remember the food

1528
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: plots I was stressing out weren't growing um. But you

1529
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: know it's I think June it rained good. Last year.

1530
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,839
Speaker 1: I can't remember actually in the years it seemed to combine.

1531
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting old, I'm almost fifty f my mind

1532
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: isn't as good. But yeah, this year we've had a

1533
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: pretty good UM. I know there's been touches of Missouri

1534
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: that that have got a little drought, but most of Iowa,

1535
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: in Illinois I've gotten In fact, on my farm in

1536
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: Illinois just two nights ago we got four and a

1537
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: half inches. So just we've gotten just a ton of

1538
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: rain this year. It's been it should be a good

1539
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: growing season for antlers. They always say if it rains

1540
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot, and they do have less stress. And so,

1541
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully e h D is not is not

1542
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm knocking on wood right now as I'm talking to you.

1543
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping the e h D isn't a factor

1544
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: this year. But it's I don't know where I'm going

1545
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: to go. I I need a little bit more time

1546
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 1: with reconics um to see what, you know, take a

1547
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: good inventory of those bucks and which mature bucks are there,

1548
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 1: and then and then kind of get a strategy a

1549
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: little bit closer to October first, probably in the last

1550
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of September, I'll probably really be figuring

1551
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: out where I want to go. I feel like from

1552
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: from watching past segments where you've been on the show

1553
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: or YouTube videos and everything, that seems like most years

1554
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of years you're hunting bucks that you

1555
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: have history with, you know, you've seen over the years

1556
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: or had sheds over the years. How do you how

1557
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: do you go about keeping tabs on these deer? What's

1558
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: your process there? And then how do you use that information?

1559
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: Are you are you really big on looking at past

1560
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: year stuff like like Mark jury is, or more so

1561
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: like just focusing on what they're doing right now? Um,

1562
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: what's your approach on that front? I definitely do. I

1563
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: think Mark has got um Uh. I didn't say earlier

1564
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: when I was telling about all those people I've learned from.

1565
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean the one I've learned from the most and

1566
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: in the in the last ten years has been Mark.

1567
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean the Mad Scientists as everyone knows him, he's uh, gosh,

1568
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna think it's an advertisement, But I mean, seriously,

1569
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: this guy, he's got almost a photographic memory for just

1570
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: different tasks and strategies and things he's thinking about. And um,

1571
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: last year we tested out that new app. Um they

1572
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 1: let the Drewy team tested out, and um dear test

1573
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: and and uh he remember we have a little drew

1574
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: get together every year every summer where the Drewy team

1575
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: gets goes down and and uh, they all get together

1576
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: and they were telling us about him, and he said,

1577
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: it's an algorithm that's basically Terry and and and Mark's

1578
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: mind and everything they think about as far as atmospheric

1579
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: pressure to the weather conditions and every all everything combined

1580
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: all in one. And he said, really, it's just it's

1581
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: just conditions we're getting from technology now from our phones,

1582
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: and we're putting it all together. And and they put

1583
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: it in an app and we use that last year

1584
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: and it would say either poor or good or great

1585
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: conditions and you know, and it even had hour by

1586
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: hour if it would get better maybe the pressure is

1587
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: rising through the day or the moon was rising at

1588
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: this time. And they put it all together in an

1589
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: app and uh, again using technology to hunt I'm taking

1590
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: I took advantage of it last year and it was

1591
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: it was dead on so but anyway, Um, I forgot

1592
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: where I was going with that, but oh I started

1593
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: telling you about Mark and just everything I've learned from him.

1594
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's just amazing. I mean I used to

1595
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: text him all the time, like, you know, should I

1596
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: be hunting high low? Should I? And you know, now

1597
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't have to do that because

1598
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: of that app. But I also he's just taught me

1599
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: and I've I've learned a lot myself. And now I've

1600
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: guys texted me, you know, saying where where should I hunt?

1601
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: You know, and off like hay Clover's where it seems

1602
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: to be really good right now, or they they're in radishes,

1603
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: or they're in you know, maybe the soybeans have dried

1604
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: up enough where they're they're in the soybeans, or maybe

1605
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: the soybeans are are just turning yellow and it's a

1606
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: lake planet and they're not in soybeans. So, you know,

1607
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times we have just a lot of

1608
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 1: friends texting each other back and trying to communicate where,

1609
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, where it seems like the deer hanging. Yeah,

1610
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: that's that's nice to have that real time network. Yeah,

1611
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: on the on the on the individual buck deal, though,

1612
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to tracking those deer, are

1613
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: you keeping were years and years worth of photos that

1614
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: you're that you're keeping tabs on and looking back at

1615
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: or how do you how do you just manage all

1616
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: that information? Because I gotta believe over three or however

1617
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: many farms you have now three states at least, there's

1618
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: a number of different bucks you're kind of following over

1619
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: the years. How how's it work? Well, I've if if

1620
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,560
Speaker 1: you've ever talked to me before, I do believe that

1621
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: deer are a lot like people. And have you ever um,

1622
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: it seems like have you ever maybe gone with your

1623
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: family you take a vacation about the same time time

1624
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: every year? It seems like you're doing you almost have

1625
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: deja vu and you're like, man, I feel like I've

1626
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: done this again. Well, it's like you're doing the same

1627
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: thing every year, like all of a sudden. You know,

1628
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: people are golfing and they cook golf and they get

1629
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: into hunting or about this time of year or you know,

1630
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: they're just habitual And I think dear that way too. Um.

1631
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: I think maybe even you can combine it with when

1632
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: dough a certain dough comes into destris. I think within.

1633
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: I've heard from deer farm managers they say the dough

1634
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: will come into the same day almost every year. You know,

1635
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: if they come in November three day, that same dough

1636
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: in that high sense area will come in every So

1637
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: it's probably the very same in the wild. Again that

1638
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,839
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure, but I'm assuming that. So. Um,

1639
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: if if a certain dough comes in and all of

1640
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: a sudden you get a big buck on camera in

1641
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: in a certain area of your farm, um or on

1642
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: a public ground or whatever, and I think, you know,

1643
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of articles written that that say,

1644
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: you know that that deer will will be in that

1645
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,879
Speaker 1: area again the same year. Maybe he lives two miles away,

1646
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: but he comes over to this farm November six through

1647
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: the ninth or something like that. I I believe in that.

1648
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: So we'll go back through pictures in the past. Um.

1649
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm in uh, if I'm on a

1650
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: certain farm and I have a north wind to hunt,

1651
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: and maybe there's two different food plots that I can

1652
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: hunt with a north wind for that food source, maybe

1653
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: they're in radishes and it's a north wind, and so

1654
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I want to want to hunt radishes on a north wind.

1655
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: I'll go back between those two and I'll look at

1656
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: I keep all my re conac photos like in files

1657
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: by food plot or by camera like if they're in

1658
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'll name a certain part of the timber

1659
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: or a pond, I'll name it frog pond or something

1660
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: weird like that, so that I'll keep that file on

1661
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: my computer with all the pictures from that camera from

1662
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: years and years and years. So then I'll go back

1663
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: during that time frame. You know how you can group them, um,

1664
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: and you can look on your computer and you can

1665
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: have it group chronologically, uh, in order by dates. So

1666
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: I'll go back during that time frame. So if I'm

1667
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: hunting October one, then I'll look at October one pictures

1668
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: for those two different food plots, and I'll be like,

1669
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: which deer was in there? Was there a deer in there? Oh? Boy,

1670
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: look at this year. I have daylight pictures of this book.

1671
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: He should be six now, you know, or stuff like that.

1672
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: Or of course you look at the most recent That's

1673
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: probably what I look at first. What deer has been

1674
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: there on their feet? Um? You know. And I'm going

1675
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: but if I don't have any recent deer in there,

1676
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 1: I'll look you know in the past and be like, Okay,

1677
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: what's and very often, very often, um, that deer that

1678
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 1: that may be wandered in from somewhere else is there

1679
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: again during that same time and boom you or you're

1680
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: there ready and you know a year later he's going

1681
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: to be there. It's just crazy. It's kind of fun

1682
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: to try to figure all that out. Yeah, I've definitely

1683
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: done a lot of that that too, and been been

1684
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: watching that and definitely seems to be something to it.

1685
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: But something I wonder about a lot is do you

1686
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 1: think that these patterns I guess we'll call him. Do

1687
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: you think it's condition dependent or not? So by that,

1688
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say you got pictures last year of

1689
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: this buck on your Radish plot on October one and second,

1690
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: So coming into this year, you'd say, Okay, there's probably

1691
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: a good chance he's going to be here, maybe around

1692
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: October one, second third, something like that. But do you

1693
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: try to match it with the wind direction that he

1694
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: had last year or the weather conditions. Um, so maybe

1695
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: there was a cold front last year, So do you

1696
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: worry about that or do you say, I don't care

1697
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: what the conditions were like last year. I still think

1698
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: that annual pattern exists, there's a chance at the same time. UM,

1699
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: good questions. Uh I usually uh, I don't. I usually

1700
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: don't try to match the wind condition. Uh. Unfortunately, I

1701
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know. I think Mark does though, UM,

1702
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: but I don't go back and look at what the

1703
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: wind direction was when that Reconics picture. I wish the

1704
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: camera had the technology, and they do. I'm sure some

1705
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: of them do. Now that would show the wind. You

1706
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: know that it knows that you're in you know, um,

1707
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: Decatur County, IO or whatever, and it can match during

1708
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: that time. What uh the you know it was a

1709
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: west wind at four pm when that picture was taken,

1710
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: but the Reconics doesn't show that right now, So, UM,

1711
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't go back. I know that Mark has talked

1712
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: about in the past going back and and matching that up. Now.

1713
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: Usually I'm only hunting that tree or that food plot

1714
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: based on a certain wind direction. Anyway, Usually you know

1715
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: I can northerly win and or you know, maybe a

1716
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 1: certain food plot I can only hunt with an any

1717
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: east wind, or sometimes I have some that are really

1718
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: specific that you know, are only a south southwest wind.

1719
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: I can only hunt this one tree a lot of times,

1720
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, if I can filter it down so it

1721
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: blows down that creek um stuff like that. But but

1722
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: most of the time you usually have a little bit

1723
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: better pick, like any southerly wind will work for this

1724
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: tree or this box line, and uh so usually I'm

1725
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: only going to be in there on this so I

1726
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: I just kind of go, hey, I know he's in

1727
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: this area. I really the old articles that used to

1728
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: be in North American Whitetail and Deer and Deer Hunting

1729
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: and all those magazines where deer will always walk into

1730
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: the wind. I know that's not true anymore. I think

1731
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: that people used to think that, and dear I do.

1732
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: I do know deer live by their nose. But during

1733
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the rut, you know, they're just gone from dough bedding

1734
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: area one bedroom to the next bedroom, going hey, is

1735
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: there another hot dough in this area. I've seen him

1736
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: walk down wind, up wind, cross the wind. I've seen him,

1737
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: you know, mentally seen it myself, So I know that

1738
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: I I don't believe they always walk into the wind,

1739
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: So I don't pay as much attention to that as

1740
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: as much as when the older mature buck the older

1741
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: it seems like they get the smaller home range they have.

1742
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: So again, like people, the older guys that you know,

1743
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: they probably don't travel as much as they used to,

1744
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: and they sit in their chair as they get older,

1745
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: and they kind of just you know, they've been there,

1746
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: done that, and they're just happy sitting around home, being

1747
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: around family. You know, I think, Um, I think dear

1748
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 1: kind of like that too. They just you know, hey,

1749
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: they know they're safe and secure. And this this area,

1750
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: this hundred yard, this hundred acre timber, and I'm gonna

1751
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: live here the rest of my life, you know. Um.

1752
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: I have seen, though, I have seen for some reason

1753
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: that seems like I've seen a few six year old deer. Mark.

1754
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,879
Speaker 1: Mark and I talked about this a couple of years ago. UM,

1755
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: six year old deer. Sometimes I've seen him at six.

1756
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: You think it's super mature. But every now and then

1757
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: I've seen some six year old deer. We'll just wander.

1758
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: I had this buck. We just found him dead. He's

1759
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: one of the five I was just telling you about

1760
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: the found dead. He's he was eight, um, but at

1761
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: six years old, he literally was he was He actually

1762
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: was over two inches at six, and uh, I was

1763
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna start hunting him on the twenty five October and

1764
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I got a I had a cell camera and I

1765
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: got a cell camera and I came out of a

1766
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: meeting that I had. I was like, I said, I'm

1767
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: gonna leave the next day, and I on my cell

1768
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: camera gave me a text and that it was him

1769
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: with half his rack broke off at the base. And

1770
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: I just went into depression that season. Um, but anyway,

1771
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: he was a wanderer that year, and we saw him

1772
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,839
Speaker 1: everywhere and he only in half a rack, but he uh,

1773
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: he just was on every camera. I had probably twenty

1774
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: five cameras on that fire is a big farm, seven

1775
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 1: seven acres, and I had him. I had him. I

1776
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: bet you seriously, probably twenty three out of cameras. He

1777
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: was just one of those deer. But then at seven

1778
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: he tightened back up, and at eight he tightened back

1779
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: up even more, and he was just real homebody. So

1780
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: sometimes they do weird things, you know, they're not always predictable,

1781
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: but um, it's fun trying to figure them out. Yeah. Yeah,

1782
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: that's that is what keeps us coming back here after year,

1783
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. So you you've talked about, you

1784
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: know a lot about kind of what we're doing from

1785
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: management standpoint, how you're tracking these deer, and like you

1786
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, you've got a great situation. You've got

1787
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: a lot of mature bucks, you have several different properties

1788
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: you can hunt. You're in a terrific place that some

1789
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: people might feel they can't relate to. But your last season,

1790
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: from what I understand, is something that a lot of

1791
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 1: guys can probably relate to. I want to talk to

1792
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: you about that because correct me on this if I'm wrong.

1793
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: But I think I saw that you didn't kill your

1794
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: first buck of the year last year until December two

1795
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 1: after Yeah, and I think I saw that was sixty

1796
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: days of hunting more than a hundred individual sits. That's

1797
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: something that kind of challenge, that kind of frustration. I

1798
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: know I've experienced that. I'm sure a lot of other

1799
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: people have. Um, what was that like for you? How

1800
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 1: did that? What was that? What was the mental side

1801
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: of that? Because at least for me, I know that's

1802
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 1: where the big challenge comes, especially after months and months

1803
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: ago and at it, I'm sure that was tough. Can

1804
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: you can you talk about that? Oh? Yeah, I remember

1805
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: it well. I basically what I did is I set

1806
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: my sights on one deer and I went after one

1807
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:54,799
Speaker 1: deer and you know it was he was a giant.

1808
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I just said, hey, I've had a

1809
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: lot of years where you know, you to me, I

1810
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: least stories about even tracking an eight year old that

1811
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: we find dead is just is rewarding to me. Um,

1812
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: And and knowing just knowing how he acted like he

1813
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: at six, he went crazy and while you know he

1814
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 1: was like a little kid running everywhere, and then and

1815
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: then finding him dead, you know, it was sad when

1816
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: we found him, but we we've figured he disappeared off cameras.

1817
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: I was like, I bet he died, and sure enough

1818
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: we found him. But um, it's not all about the kill.

1819
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: To me, I don't I don't have to. Um, I

1820
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: don't have to kill a buck. Although during the season,

1821
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: I think a lot of my friends would would say

1822
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: quite the opposite, because I get stressed out, Like it

1823
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: doesn't it does. It is nice when you kill on

1824
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: early season and kind of the stresses off of you.

1825
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 1: And I think part of that is for the dreary team,

1826
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: because you know, they give us all these points and

1827
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 1: rewards if you if you get one on the board,

1828
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, and that's how they they have their systems

1829
01:34:55,320 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: set up. But honestly, to me, I uh, it started

1830
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: out outfitting. I love to watch others harvest the biggest

1831
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 1: day of their life, and and outfitting. Of course, you

1832
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: get to see that quite often, especially when you get

1833
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: guys that are from states that maybe don't um grow

1834
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: as as big as bucks as the Midwest. And they

1835
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: would come in and they you know, they give you

1836
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: these bear hugs. I remember I had these these brothers,

1837
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: these three brothers that would always come and they were

1838
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: from out east, and and every time i'd I'd have

1839
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: to almost wear football pads because if if even one

1840
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: of them killed the big buck, they would just tackle

1841
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: me and they would. It was so fun. I mean,

1842
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: it's just so fun. And I was. I have three

1843
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: daughters and uh eighteen, fifteen, and seven. So I've taken

1844
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: my older two many times and they've each harvested at

1845
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: least gosh. I think the oldest ones harvested five big

1846
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: bucks and a bunch of big turkeys, you know, big

1847
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: mature tom's. And in my fifteen year old, I think

1848
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: she's harvested four four big ones and a bunch of

1849
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: does and all that and just a smile on their

1850
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: faces and the excitement um of others taken other It's

1851
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: just I mean, the friends of it. We kind of

1852
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: got like a group of friends that we hang out

1853
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: with that that all help and food plots and they

1854
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: all help strategize where should we put this food plot?

1855
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: How you know, and stuff like that, and it's just, uh,

1856
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 1: it's fun. Kind of the they kind of know their member,

1857
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: they get their their member of the text group. They

1858
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: may be a group text and hey, I got this,

1859
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: and they know to be super secretive to you know,

1860
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: like we don't. We don't want the neighbors knowing about them.

1861
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've known them because they got pictures of

1862
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: them too, but sometimes they don't, so we we don't tell,

1863
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, we we keep that pretty tight lipped. And uh,

1864
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: it's just fun figuring it all out and and and

1865
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: and being a part of a group. The camaraderie, you know,

1866
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: sharing around when we're cooking at night or around the

1867
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: grille or camp fire and stuff like that, or maybe

1868
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 1: in the summer, even fishing in the boat and talking

1869
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 1: about I wonder what this deer? We name them all too,

1870
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: And that's kind of everybody makes fun of us. But

1871
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you have different it's just a lot

1872
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: easier to call him a certain name versus hey, the

1873
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: big twelve point. You know, maybe there's two big ten

1874
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: points or an eight point. And it's hard to imagine

1875
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: if you didn't have names for your kids or you know,

1876
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: or your friends. I mean you just say, hey, the

1877
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: brown aired kid. You know, it's a lot easier to

1878
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: have names. It's a lot easier you just name them.

1879
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: So that's what we do. Yeah, No, I can totally

1880
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: relate to that, that aspect of it. It's a lot

1881
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: of the process. The process is what's really what I

1882
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: think it's so compelling. The kill, of course, like you said, yes,

1883
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're ultimately shooting for, but everything else that

1884
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 1: goes into it is what makes it so special. I think, Um,

1885
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: so you had a heck of a process trying to

1886
01:37:55,880 --> 01:38:01,520
Speaker 1: get after this one big deer. What happened? It was unsuccessful,

1887
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: I I believe it or not. I only saw him once,

1888
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: but I had re conics pictures of him just over

1889
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: and over and over, and uh, you know, some weren't

1890
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: even daylights. And I was like, man, why I'm just

1891
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm just picking the wrong stand every I've never set

1892
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: so many stands for a deer. I literally got aggressive

1893
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: on this dear, and and I'm usually not aggressive. I

1894
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: just kind of wait for the right conditions, and but

1895
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: he was really big, and I was like, you know,

1896
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: I probably got a little too aggressive, and all of

1897
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 1: a sudden he disappeared on November nine, and I kept

1898
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: on thinking, well, I just don't you know. Sometimes I

1899
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: didn't even go in and check the reconics pictures because

1900
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,560
Speaker 1: you're going in right and where he lives, and I

1901
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to stay out there thinking he

1902
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: was there. But then even after uh I just even

1903
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: after I checked him, you know, a couple of weeks,

1904
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,520
Speaker 1: even after that, there was just none. He just disappeared

1905
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: and I don't know where he went. Um just so

1906
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: finally I just kind of gave up and went off

1907
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 1: to another deer and never I've never seen him again,

1908
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 1: never found his sheds. He just disappeared. I hope he

1909
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: We never found him dead. So I don't know, but

1910
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: it was worth it. I would do the same thing

1911
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: again this year, if if you know, I he was

1912
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: that big. He was like, you know, to big, you know,

1913
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 1: like world class. Once in a lifetime if once in

1914
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: maybe three or four lifetimes, you know, so I would

1915
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 1: do the same thing again. Yeah, yeah, that's a tough thing.

1916
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: I I've been in a similar situation, although not with

1917
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: the two buck, but here in here in Michigan. Um,

1918
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: a big buck for us out here is like a dty.

1919
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: And so I've been after this buck that last year.

1920
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: He was I think he was a five year old

1921
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: last year, So it was it was him or bust here.

1922
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 1: And the same kind of thing. I put all my

1923
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: time into this deer. I anceled other trips. I just

1924
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: obsessed over him, trying to make it happen, and you know,

1925
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 1: similar to your kind of deal. He disappeared on the

1926
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: fourteenth of November, and um then I kept thinking, all, well,

1927
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: he's got to be around. So the late season came

1928
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: around and I tried for more and nothing, nothing, nothing,

1929
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden the season was done

1930
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: and I realized, well, you did nothing but chase around

1931
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: this ghost that might have been gone for the last

1932
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 1: month and a half, and uh didn't fill a single

1933
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: buck tag because of it. Um. So, yeah, it was

1934
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 1: in a similar situation where I was sitting there postseason

1935
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: thinking should I have done something different. Should I do

1936
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,719
Speaker 1: something different this year? Um? But to your point, it's

1937
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: uh that that chase though, even just trying absolutely see.

1938
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 1: And I do want to point out, you know, I

1939
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 1: know a lot of your listeners are nationwide and they're

1940
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: not hunting that the as far as the score goes. Um.

1941
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: But to me, um, it's all about setting your sights

1942
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,520
Speaker 1: on a certain deer, like there was a bug. Um gosh,

1943
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: problem is this trying to we name him? Now? As

1944
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: I said, I'm getting old, I can't remember his name,

1945
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: but oh he could We call him Mossy Oak actually,

1946
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: and uh he had there was a picture of him

1947
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: with losing his velvet and it was just an eight

1948
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: pointer and he was probably when he said one thirty

1949
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: reminded me we put him right into one thirty range.

1950
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: And but we knew he was a six year old

1951
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 1: and he was on my Mercer County, uh, Missouri farm

1952
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: and uh we called him Mossy Oak and we and

1953
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: we went and he was a regular on this and

1954
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I was like, man, he's showing up a lot on

1955
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: this one camera. It was the same food bloss talking

1956
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: about earlier. That's kind of smack dad right in the

1957
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 1: middle of my my farm, and uh, sure enough we

1958
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: go in and and what I'm getting at is I

1959
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: can get just as excited about once I set my

1960
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: mind on a deer. I don't care if he's a

1961
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: hundred inches or seven years old or four years old

1962
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, it's it's it's just about them.

1963
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: It's just challenge, you know, the challenge can I I

1964
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 1: like going after deer that we know about. And you know,

1965
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: I I told Mark last year, I was like, I've

1966
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: never had a giant deer walk in that I don't

1967
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 1: know because of all the technologies cameras and everything. Now

1968
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: he says, you will. He goes, you wait, it's exciting

1969
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, the giant deer comes in

1970
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 1: and you've never You're like, I don't know that deer

1971
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: what I cannot recall. I mean a real big one.

1972
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, nice deer come in that I

1973
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: don't know, but I haven't seen a mega giant come in.

1974
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: And and he said, you will, It'll happen. It's just

1975
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 1: it's really cool. But um, I going back to I

1976
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: I get just this excited shooting you know, a hundred

1977
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: and twenty five inch deer uh in in the Midwest

1978
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: as I do about killing a hundred eighty inch deer

1979
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: uh in, My heart beats just as much once you,

1980
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, and he comes into the food plotter, he

1981
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: comes into the timber where you're at, and you know

1982
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: that you might get a shot that adrenaline. I've never

1983
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: done any drugs other than alcohol, but I have always said,

1984
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: I imagine that there's no drug out there that can

1985
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: make you feel like that um and that excitement. It's

1986
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,759
Speaker 1: just it's just awesome. And that's that's why I hunt,

1987
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's just as exciting too when

1988
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: you're behind the camera film and one of your buddies

1989
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: and you know, you almost like don't want to mess up,

1990
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: and you want to get him on film for him,

1991
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 1: and it's just it's almost more challenging. It's harder for

1992
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: the cameraman. But it's Uh. I just wanted to point out.

1993
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't want people think that, you know, a you know,

1994
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: a guy lives in the Midwest, he's got all these

1995
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: farms and he's only after the top end here. It's

1996
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: it's it's that's not the case at all. I'll tell

1997
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: you what we uh, it's goot Manifold, who's who I

1998
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: hunt with the most, and we talked about it. We

1999
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: still feel that same way even with Does. We love

2000
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 1: hammering the does. You know we usually do it late season,

2001
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: but um, it's it's fun. It's just when you are

2002
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: able to harvest the deer and then eat the meat

2003
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: from that deer. Um, you know, that's that's something special

2004
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 1: about that. It's like you feel like a pioneer or

2005
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: something back in the day. That's the way to do it. So,

2006
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: so speaking of that, you know that feeling you get

2007
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 1: there when you you set your sights on a deer,

2008
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 1: you set a goal and you're actually able to to

2009
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: get a shot at that deer. You have been in

2010
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 1: a situation now over the years where you have been

2011
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: able to see a lot of big mature bucks coming

2012
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 1: and you've gotten shots at a lot of big mature bucks. Um. So,

2013
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: more than a lot of people, you've been in that

2014
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: situation that a lot of us dream about. But maybe

2015
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: we don't get to have that moment as many so

2016
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 1: we don't have as much experience handling the moment of

2017
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: truth with that dream buck in front of us. Um,

2018
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 1: can you talk to us a little bit about how

2019
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: you've been able to get good at handling that moment

2020
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: of truth and and another thing I'll add, I'll kind

2021
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: of give you a double question. I've also seen a

2022
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 1: couple of past shows or YouTube videos that you were

2023
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 1: in where you missed a deer, but you came right

2024
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: back and we're able to overcome that adversity, Like the

2025
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: next day it killed that same deer. You were able

2026
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: to get over that mistake or whatever happened, and you

2027
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: got right back to us. So how do you how

2028
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: do you handle this mentally, whether it be on your

2029
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: average shot or your average situation, or when you you

2030
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: blow it one day and you can turn around and

2031
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: flip the switching and get it done the next Well,

2032
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think when I was younger, like when uh,

2033
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm not super old, I'm forty nine, but I think

2034
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: up until about I remember making a statement to a

2035
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: guy I worked with, um and I was like, you know,

2036
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:36,719
Speaker 1: somehow I'm able to stay calm until after the shot

2037
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 1: and then I would go crazy and I kind of, um,

2038
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 1: I kind of was, I feel bad. I was kind

2039
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: of bragging to him in a way. Just it was

2040
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: just he and I were close friends, and I was like, yeah,

2041
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: I'm able to kind of have ice in my veins

2042
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: until that time, and then the last I shouldn't even

2043
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: have said that, because like the last five years, I've

2044
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 1: blown so many shots and missed so many big bucks,

2045
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: and just like the older I get, the worst I get,

2046
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,919
Speaker 1: and so I I blew it by I think bragging,

2047
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, or just teasing him and saying, you know,

2048
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: we're just kind of jarring each other. But you know,

2049
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: I think if you can, I do remember this story,

2050
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I don't. I don't see Stan

2051
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Potts anymore, but I I used to. But I I

2052
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 1: remember one time he told me. He was like what

2053
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: he does to control it? And I've you I've told

2054
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: a lot of people this story. He said he used

2055
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 1: to almost get mad at the deer. So somehow he

2056
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 1: would like when that deer showed up, he would get

2057
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 1: this mental attitude in his brain over and over, like

2058
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: he would be could be so mad at that deer,

2059
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot you did whatever he said

2060
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: to himself, you know, to to kind of keep himself

2061
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: calm um, but almost overcome whatever can go on between

2062
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: your ears. You know, you know a lot can go on.

2063
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people are like worried and they're checking

2064
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: their you know, they're they're arrow falls off the rest

2065
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I do try to eliminate as

2066
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: many things as I can, Like I use a whisker

2067
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: biscuit um. A lot of people laugh at that too.

2068
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: I I think it's the best. I've used it since

2069
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: the day came out years and years ago, and uh,

2070
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: it just eliminates a lot of things that can go

2071
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,759
Speaker 1: wrong if you can do that. Uh, you know, whether

2072
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: you see that buck walking into your stand and you

2073
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: have to get on the ground and crawl, it's a

2074
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: lot easier for Uh. There's a lot of rest now,

2075
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: different rests that will hold your arrow on there instead

2076
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: of just you know, kind of resting on there. Um.

2077
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: Things like that. You I use a range finder to

2078
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, put the odds of my favor so I

2079
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: know what that that yardage is. And of course I

2080
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 1: practice a lot too. I try to practice every day

2081
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: at least a couple even if I only shoot one

2082
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: or two arrows, to make sure it's on um. After

2083
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: I travel state to state, I'll shoot my bow too

2084
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: because of being in the car or whatever. Different different

2085
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: temperatures in your card and your how us to back

2086
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: on the cold. I just want to make sure everything

2087
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 1: is uh is on. Uh. Did I answer your question? Yeah? Yeah,

2088
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think that that's helpful hearing about some

2089
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: of the things we're doing and stands stands idea there. Yeah.

2090
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily do that. I don't necessarily get mad,

2091
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: but I've noticed. I know Brick. I hunted with Brick

2092
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: Stewart who's on the Dreary team, and he used to say,

2093
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: he's like, man, how do you remember a big buck

2094
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: came in. We're hunting together and the goal was for

2095
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: him to kill a big buck. He was coming up

2096
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: to Iowa and I said, well, there's one buck. There's

2097
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: one buck I want to shoot, and there's a bunch

2098
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: of bucks that you can shoot, and there's and uh

2099
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: uh uh let me see. It was a buck called

2100
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 1: stall back and it was years ago. And I remember

2101
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I was like, stall bucks in this area. But he

2102
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 1: probably won't show up. But I said, as soon as

2103
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 1: I say that, you know I will. I'm sure enough.

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Speaker 1: First buck we see coming in a stall back, So

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Speaker 1: I have to get the camera to him and uh,

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Speaker 1: and he's got to put down his bow and I

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Speaker 1: have to grab my boat, which is hanging real high

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Speaker 1: in the tree, and you know, and he was just like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he Brick Brick is so passionate about

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Speaker 1: but white till hunting that when he sees a big buck,

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Speaker 1: he gets I mean it's you know, he's literally like

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Speaker 1: a five year old waiting to open that present. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he he gets shaken and everything. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: love it, and uh, it's just awesome to see it.

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Speaker 1: And uh, but you know, I was able to stay

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Speaker 1: calm and get the shot off, and uh, he nicknamed

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Speaker 1: me the werewolf after after that he was like, man,

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Speaker 1: he was just so called. And then after I shot him,

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't even always stand up, you know. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I I think it's you know, how

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Speaker 1: have you ever you don't have if you've seen, uh,

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Speaker 1: if you're with anybody ever gotten an accident, car accident,

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Speaker 1: some people kind of freak out, and some people stay

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Speaker 1: real calm until everybody's safe. And I've luckily been able

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Speaker 1: to be one of the guys that can be calmer

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Speaker 1: now last few years. I don't know, but in my

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Speaker 1: younger days, I think I was able to. I got

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Speaker 1: to figure out what I was doing back then and

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Speaker 1: go back to that. But I was when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: I was able to stay calm. Yeah. It's it's no

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01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 1: easy task, that's for sure. Yeah. So I've got one

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Speaker 1: last question for it, because I know we're short on

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Speaker 1: time here, UM, but I want to ask you one

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Speaker 1: thing here. What do you And I asked this because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the people I talked to that work

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Speaker 1: UM the film for the Juries, a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: just like you did earlier, point to mark Er Terry

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Speaker 1: as as a mentor or someone who's helped them or

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Speaker 1: someone they've learned a lot from. Um, but is there

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Speaker 1: anything that you do differently from the juries or that

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01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: you believe differently where they say X and You're like, no,

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Speaker 1: I think, why is there anything like that? Mm hmmm,

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Speaker 1: uh boy, nothing really comes to my mind. I I

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Speaker 1: will say, you know, Um, I've been in the industry

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Speaker 1: going you know, I used to go on the E

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Speaker 1: A T A show years ago, and I've been to

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Speaker 1: all when I was an outfit, I went to all

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Speaker 1: these shows. One thing that I it's not different. So

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Speaker 1: I'm really not answering your question, but I will say.

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Speaker 1: One thing that just came to my mind that I

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Speaker 1: that I love about Mark and Terry that they do

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01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,759
Speaker 1: right is you know, there there's some of the biggest

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Speaker 1: guys in the industry, and I think when someone else,

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Speaker 1: even another TV show that there may be competing against

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01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 1: or whatever, when somebody else, um kills a big deer,

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01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: it seems like those guys are genuinely happy for him,

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Speaker 1: where instead of looking at it like competition, like hey,

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Speaker 1: that's another show they're competing against, they really they killed

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Speaker 1: a giant two dings. I think those guys are just

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Speaker 1: different and they're not there's no jealousy and and that's

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Speaker 1: the way everyone. I wish everyone can can replicate that

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Speaker 1: mindset and just be happy if your neighbor kills a

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Speaker 1: big buck, or if you know a close friend of

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Speaker 1: yours or or you know, a lot of times you

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Speaker 1: see a lot of Chelsea and it hurts the whole industry.

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Speaker 1: And when when they fight over big box and everything

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01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:19,680
Speaker 1: is just like God, you know, just be happy for me.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes your neighbor is going to get them. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you are. But um, I've seen it ruined relationships. Uh

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Speaker 1: uh and and and and within my own uh you know,

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Speaker 1: family of friends. I've seen I've seen guys getting fights

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Speaker 1: and me getting fights back in the day and jealousy

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01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: over it. So you know, I'm talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: to myself too. But I think we've gotten better at

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Speaker 1: it by learning from those guys of of what what

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Speaker 1: not to do and be to be a good person

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Speaker 1: and try to just be genuinely happy for other guys.

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Speaker 1: And that's the only thing that really comes in my mind.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't not what what they do different, but what

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Speaker 1: they what they do, so right, Yeah, well I think

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's a good it's a good usage

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Speaker 1: to end with because this stuff is it is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be fun. It's it's an opportunity to to share

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Speaker 1: in a wonderful activity with friends and family. And it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, all the Facebook envy and like you said,

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Speaker 1: the jealousy, it just it does it does no one

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Speaker 1: any good. So yeah, no, no, no place for it.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a great reminder. So Tom, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to do this.

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Speaker 1: This has been fun. Yeah, Mark, I appreciate the invitation,

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Speaker 1: and uh, hopefully we can draw more young deer hunters

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Speaker 1: to the sport and uh, that's that's Scott Scott Manifold.

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Speaker 1: That's like I said, he's a he's a main partner

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Speaker 1: I hunt with now he's got more time than Mike Clementson.

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Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about you know, what, what

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Speaker 1: are we gonna do. We have to pick a theme

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01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 1: for the Drearies every year of what we're going to

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Speaker 1: name a show or something, and and I I just

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Speaker 1: told him this year, I was like, and he agreed.

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01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: He I was like, you know, let's just let's just

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Speaker 1: try to teach as many people as we can how

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Speaker 1: how how we're successful, what we've learned, or maybe what

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01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,800
Speaker 1: we've learned not to do, whatever it might be. Just

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01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 1: just like we've learned from others, let's try to do

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01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,480
Speaker 1: the same thing and help others too to be successful.

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01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of why I when you when

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01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 1: you email me and said would you like to be

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Speaker 1: on the show? I said, you know, I I'm not

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Speaker 1: a self promoter. I don't I'm not out there saying

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01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 1: look at me with this big buck. I hope that

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Speaker 1: is the message. I do not portray whatsoever. I really

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01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: just enjoy helping others and and if I've had some

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Speaker 1: people come up to me and go, I learned, you know,

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Speaker 1: I saw you on this and I learned from in

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Speaker 1: that work for me, and that's you know, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of that's kind of the biggest reward you can get. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's that's an awesome goal,

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Speaker 1: and I think you're doing it. I think a lot

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01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: of people are seeing the success you're having and you

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01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 1: guys have been able to do a good job of

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Speaker 1: helping share how you guys are able to do that,

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Speaker 1: and today I think definitely happened again. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tell man best of luck in two thousand and eighteen.

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01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: I hope you have an awesome season. Yeah, keep me

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01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 1: posting how you do and send me some pictures aren't

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01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 1: but it sounds a good plan and that's gonna do it. Folks.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this one. Um. You know, as we

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01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: talked about, Tom is involved with Jury Outdoors, and I

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01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: do want to mention you know, you may have been

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Speaker 1: listening in the past to the one Percent Wild podcast,

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Speaker 1: which was the show that I was doing with Dury Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: I've had to step away from that because of other projects.

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01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm working on. But Matt Dury is continuing the podcast

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01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 1: with Tim chel Vick. I think it's his last name, Tim.

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01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: If you're listening, forgive me if I butchered that. But

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01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 1: they're continuing the podcast, so be sure to stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that. And and actually, coincidentally, I believe I just

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01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 1: saw that Tom was on the most recent episode of

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Speaker 1: the pcent Wild podcast too. There was no communication there.

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Speaker 1: That's not on purpose, but it kind of works out well.

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Speaker 1: So if you enjoyed our conversation today with Tom, check

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01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 1: out one percent Wile to get more from him too.

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01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: So with that all said, just want to remind you

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01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: if you hadn't left a rating or review on iTunes,

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01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,600
Speaker 1: that's amazing. If you could, I would give you a

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01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 1: high five if I saw you in person, if you

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01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: told me that, big thanks in advance. Make sure also

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01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: that you're following us. That's Wired Hunt on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,

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01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 1: uh the YouTube channel as well. And finally, most importantly,

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you all for listening. I

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01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time. I appreciate you being a

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01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 1: part of this community. I mean, I sit behind this

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01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 1: desk all my own here every week putting these things together,

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01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,480
Speaker 1: and then I get to put this out in the

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Speaker 1: world and I hear from so many of you about

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Speaker 1: what you're learning from these things. If you're enjoying them,

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01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: that means just it means a ton. So thanks for that,

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01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for being a part of everything we're doing here,

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01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.