1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Kylee Forber and welcome to The Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zelecki. It's the Philly Show. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: It's Friday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty six. Guys, who's better 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: the Phillies or the Mets. Oh, Phillies won the division 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: last year by thirteen games, but the Mets won the 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: off season. And we know Pennance are always won in 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: the off season, always every year. So yeah, we thought 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: exactly right. So we thought we would spend today's show 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of angst I think in Philly. 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: I think it was just a lot of interest in 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: how much better have the Mets gotten, how much have 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: they improved compared to the Phillies. Phillies running it back 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: arguably depends who you talk to. We talk to fans, 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: and most people they'd say either running it back Philly 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: is a point. I we got a couple of new faces, 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: new center field or new right fielder, however you want 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: to look at it. But let's you guys have any 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: thoughts on this right off the top of your head, 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw some numbers out at you guys. Well, 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: for fangrafts war. Everybody loves fangrass war. They do these projections. 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: The Mats are now fourth in Major League Baseball and 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: projected war for twenty twenty six. The Phillies are seventh. Oh, 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: that doesn't really. 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: Mean that's the old Pakoda that's the right number that 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: it is ever so accurate. 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: The Royd g biv. 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Bill Pakota or Biff pok Ova. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: Boom Bill always think it's the most silliest thing ever 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 4: when you look at an iPad and you say, okay, 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: we this is the team, this is the twenty six players, 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: and this is what's projected to be correct. 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: This is the number of wins they're going to have. 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: It's the biggest joke of all time. 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: Ruben, where do you stand on Pakoda projections? Jeezus. But 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: it's a little just it's a little reference point. It 36 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: injects a little bit of dialogue into the off season 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: as spring training approaches, you know, but we got to 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: be careful what we say today, guys, because you never 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: know who's listening up in New York. 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 5: The New York Post did a whole story about the 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 5: Philly Show about a week and a half ago, about 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 5: our comments following the Boba Schett heists, as Jim called it, 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: the Luftonza heist. 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: At Look, what they don't. 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Know is they just woke up to us because Ruben 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: crushes the Mets all the time. 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: Well here, well here he goes. 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 6: There I lived it. 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were there. You lived it. So who is 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: better the Mets or the Phillies. That's what we're going 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: to be talking about today. Uh let's I'm gonna do 52 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: a real quick recap Phillies. What they do this offseason. 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: Schwarber resigned j T Real Mutel, They signed Brad Keller, 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: Adolis Garcia. They traded for Jonathan Bolan, Cale Bachis, Zach 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: popp Is on a major league deal, out Rangers score 56 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: as Matt Strom, Harrison Vader, Jordan Romano, and not yet 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: but he will be. List of Phillies have a change 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: of heart, Nick Castianos The Mets, of course, their additions Boba, Shad, 59 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Freddie peerul To, Marcus Simon, Lewis, Robert Jr. Hore Polanco, 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: Devin Williams, Luke Weaver, Out, Pete Alonzo, Brandon Nimo, Edwin Diaz, 61 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil, Tyler, Rogers, Ryan Helsley, What do you think 62 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: of that? 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 6: A lot of bodies out, a lot of bodies in. 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: I was the only comment that I want one of 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: the comments that I will make about that. Yes, I 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: gotta to commend David Stearns. Obviously was not working for them. Uh, 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: they needed to make change. I sort of agree with 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: the mentality, with the thought process that they had to 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: get some of those guys out of there. 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 6: They they did not have the right mojo. 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: And whether you like Nimo and McNeil and Alonso and 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: Edwin Diaz, it just didn't work for them. Regardless of 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: the talent or the ability, that mix was not working 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: for them. And you got to commend David Stearns for 75 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: making the changes. Are they going to be better because 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: of it? No idea, the Pakoda says it. I don't 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: necessarily believe that that's, you know, going to happen. But 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: it all kind of depends on whether these guys gel 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: and whether they play well. 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 6: You know the simeon will he bounce back? 81 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: You know what kind of years Polanco go to a 82 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: playing first base every day. I mean, there's all types 83 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: of stuff going on there. But I do commend David Stearns, 84 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: and I think the pitching is still an issue for 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: them just in general, not just their starting pitching, but 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: their bullpens well. But I got to give some love 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: to David Sterns about at least making change and whether 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: it's gonna be for the better or not, who knows. 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they added some offense in Barba Schett. I 90 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: loved that pickup. We would have loved him if he 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: was here, or loved that pickup if the Phillies could 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: have closed that deal. But you know, but the Mets 93 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: also subtracted some offense and Pete Alonso, who you know, 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: helped them score a lot of runs over the years. 95 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: So Bashette and Alonzo where I think I'm interested to 96 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: see what happens is in the bullpen because they lost 97 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: Dias Off a great year. Rogers pitched well, and you know, 98 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: they bring in two guys from the Yankees, Weaver and 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Devin Williams, who struggled in the Bronx last year. So 100 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: they bring him two Yankee guys. You know, I could 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: conceivably see them taking a step back in the bullpen, 102 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: and we know how important bullpens are. A lot of 103 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: depth in the rotation but you know, until they just 104 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: added Freddy Peralta, not a lot of star power. I 105 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: think a lot of what happens out there is going 106 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: to depend on uh, you know, we let Nolan McLain, 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: he looked awfully good last year. Does he take a 108 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, a step forward towards solidifying a spot this 109 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: year and see what they get out of the young 110 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: youngster Jonah Tong. I don't know if he's gonna be 111 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: in the big leagues right away, but certainly an awful 112 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: lot of ability. Probably getting ahead of things a little 113 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: bit todd here because I know you want to match 114 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: up things, but I still think that rotation Phillies, if 115 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: the Phillies rotation, if all that question marks come back, 116 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: you know in the affirmative, I think they have a 117 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: better rotation, and that's why I might give them the 118 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: upper hand. 119 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna gett We're gonna go positioned by 120 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: position here. But first I want to say, we're so 121 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: close to ten thousand subscribers on YouTube, to make sure 122 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: you hit the subscription on the top. Take who's gonna 123 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: take us over the top? I wish we could like 124 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: figure out exactly who the ten thousand subscriber is and 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: of course you can go to the Philly Show shop 126 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: dot com to pick up some swag from the show. 127 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: We appreciate your support. All right, let's get rolling here, 128 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: let's jump right into it. We're gonna go position by 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: a position, then we'll do rotation and then bullpen as 130 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: a big group Catcher Francisco Alvarez or JT. Real Muto. 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: Francisco Alvarez had an interesting year last year. He got 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: option down to triple A in June because he was 133 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: playing so poorly offensively and defensively. Confidence was shot. They 134 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: sent him back and then after he came back in 135 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: July bat at two seventy six eight home runs nine 136 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: one ops after his return. So those Fangraft war projections 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: have him as a Mets Catchers as a whole four 138 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: point zero war, Phillies Catchers as a whole two point 139 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: six war with at real Muto and Raphael Vershawn. Luis 140 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: Torrens is going to be Alvarez's backup. What so you 141 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: guys think, Catcher, who do you give the edge to? 142 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Who do you give it to? 143 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 6: I give it to the Phillies. 144 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: I go to the Philly because you experience It's not 145 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: just about the numbers here, It's about the experience and 146 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: the ability to run a run a staff. 147 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 6: I got JT. Uh uh flying colors over Francisco Alvarez. 148 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: I guess, I just I just believe so much in 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: the importance of JT to this pitching staff correct and 150 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: you know some of the metrics say, you know that 151 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: the blocking and the pitch framing and all of that, 152 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: but you know, he's it's it's it's you can't put 153 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: a number on it, obviously, right, because that's why the 154 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Phillies in the in the inreal Muto were at such 155 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: an impasse for the longest time. But he is so 156 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: incredibly valued now. Alvarez better offensive catcher, you know, no 157 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: doubt about it. But I think JT just brings so 158 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: much value. So I do I really like JT. 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I agree, I think j T completes the Phillies pitching staff. 160 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: I have broken this rivalry down position by a position 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: as well, and I have a p next to the 162 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: catching category for edge Phillies. 163 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: All right, there we go, There we go. So let's 164 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: move up the first base line to first base. You've 165 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: got Horge Polanco versus Bryce Harper. Polanco is going to 166 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: play first base for the first time in his career. Now, 167 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: he did play shorts, He's played a ton of shortstop, 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: obviously came up as a shortstop, played a lot of 169 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: second Base's been working out at first base. So I 170 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I assume he can go over 171 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: there and catch the ball. He's going to be able 172 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: to go over there and catch the ball. But you know, 173 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: you're going up against one of the best players Hall 174 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: of Famer. You know, I think any any any GM 175 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: or president baseball ops would take Bryce Harper over Horrey. 176 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Plant This is you know, we're within what a couple 177 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: months of the beginning of the I Am Elite Tour. 178 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: That's right, And I give the edge to the Phillies there. 179 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 6: Philly's on the edge. 180 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. Okay, So second base, this 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: is a little this is an interesting one. I feel like, 182 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: very interesting second base. You have Marcus Simeon versus Bryce 183 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: and Stott Simeon. He was third for al MVP in 184 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, so insanely good in twenty twenty three 185 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: when the Rangers won the World Series. The last two years, 186 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: he has been a below average offensive player, elite defender, 187 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: fantastic defender. I would throw a couple numbers out of you. 188 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: After the All Star break last season, Marcus Simon batted 189 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: two oh three with a five to ninety three ops. 190 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: He's thirty five batted a combined two thirty four six 191 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: eighty six ops the last two seasons with the Rangers. 192 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Bryce and Scott had a really nice second half last 193 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: year more than you know. Also a very good defender. 194 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: So who do you get the edge to you there? Guys? 195 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: Tough one good. I struggled with this one, like you said, 196 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: both very good defender. Stott's a heck of a defender, 197 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: and I like the chemistry he has with Trey Turner 198 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: up the Meddle. I also liked that eight to fifty 199 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: five ops in the second half. I liked the adjustment 200 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: he made, lowering his hands a little bit a little 201 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: more direct to the ball. I'm wondering if he saw 202 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: the light a little bit last year Bryson Stott, remember 203 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: we had Kevin Longhan. He said he had that conversation 204 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: with him, said, do you want to do thirty your 205 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: whole life? And Stott really started making some adjustments and 206 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: got it going together. I like Simeon. He's a couple 207 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: of years removed from that great season. I'm going to 208 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: give Scott the edge a little bit, younger legs, and 209 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: I like the second half and have some faith that 210 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: he might finally be pointing in a in the right 211 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: direction at least in terms of consistency. But you know, 212 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I thought this was was a tough one. 213 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 6: Todd what he got. 214 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I go with Stott because of 215 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: his He's a younger player, who's I do think he 216 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: might have figured something out defensively, you know, he's very 217 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: good up the middle as well. Interestingly, again just going 218 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: by if you want to know what the Fangrafts projections are, 219 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: Simmy in three point four war stot three point one 220 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: war basically a toss up there, depending on how you 221 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: look at it. You know, three that's that's a negligible difference. 222 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: So but I I really like the way to stop 223 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: played last year, and you have a two year track 224 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: record of Simon not producing and he's getting older, so 225 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: he's on the wrong side, he's on the down side 226 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: of his career. You know, I'm gonna go with but 227 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: a very slight edge, very slight edge. 228 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Semon slight edge. And the reason 229 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 6: why I'm gonna go. 230 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: With Simeon, uh great defender, prowd of a push on 231 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: the defense. 232 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 6: Maybe simme in. 233 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: A slightly better second baseman, maybe not, but it's pretty close. 234 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: Excellent both of them. I do like the way Stott 235 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: finished up, and I'm a big Stott fane all the stuff. 236 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan. But I think Simon is going 237 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: to bounce back and have a really good year. He's 238 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: a talented man. I think that he is gonna be 239 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: rejuvenated by the trade. So I'm gonna give a slight 240 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: edge to Simeon. 241 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. Third base. Boba Schett versus Alec Bohm. 242 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: In in another universe it's uh, you know, Brett Batty versus 243 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: Bobachett or whatever the case might be at third base, 244 00:13:52,160 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: but it's Boba Schett versus Alec Bohm at third baseba. 245 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: I got Boba Schett on this one. I do think 246 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: that Alc will bounce back and have a good year. 247 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: I think we'll have a solid year as long as 248 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: he stays healthy. I'll have somewhere between eighty five and 249 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: ninety five. RBIs I think that he's going to play 250 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 3: a decent defense. The Bobashett thing has never really played 251 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: third base. There's a question as to whether he's going 252 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: to be playing. I say, not a great shortstop, so 253 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: he's going to be I think the defense will be 254 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: a push. I just like Bobaschett's overall ability to put 255 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: the bat on the ball. He's a hit machine. He's 256 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: got some power, similar power numbers. Even though the raw 257 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: power is much greater on Alec Boma side, he hasn't 258 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: really shown it on the consistent basis power wise. I'll 259 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: take Bobachett on this one, and uh so, I'll go 260 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: with the Mets. 261 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: And they're both both Bowman and Bashett are entering their 262 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: free agent years. Let's not forget That's can pocket that 263 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: forty two million and opt out. He has a lot 264 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: of reasons to have a big season. Alec Bohm has 265 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to have a big season. But 266 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: I have a big Bold M next to that category 267 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: of big M like Frank. 268 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: Mahovlich, Frank Mahovlidge, Jim, look it up, all right, So 269 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: let's go to shortstop. We got Francisco Lindor against Trey 270 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: Turner the toughest one. These are two to These are 271 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: two superstars's on. 272 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: I'm gonna cop out here and say this is a draw. 273 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: I got a draw on this one. I mean because 274 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: I think, honestly, I think Trey Turner played the best 275 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: shortstop he's played. 276 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 6: In his career. 277 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: He had a MVP type season, and I think there's 278 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: more to come. If I were to pick a slight favorite, 279 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: I'd go with Trade just because I see him more. 280 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 6: But I'm gonna call this a. 281 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: Draw about you, Jim. 282 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the edge to Frankie Lindor. This is 283 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: the guy who hits thirty bombs a year. Turner had, 284 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, hits for a higher average when he's going good, 285 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: like last year hit three or four, won the batting title. 286 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: But I Lindor's pop, his pop, his extra base pop, 287 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: his power to me is a is a bit of 288 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: a separator. I think they're both good defenders. Trade Tray 289 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: was last year. He wasn't previously, but last year. You know, 290 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't think we talk enough about how well he 291 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: turned things around last year and the season he had 292 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: finish in the top five of the MVP. I think 293 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Lindor finished in the top ten of the MVP. But 294 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to give the slight edge to Lindor based 295 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: on the pop. 296 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: You know, I was doing the same thing, Jim, the 297 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: slight edge to Lindor because of the pop and just 298 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: I feel like the consistency over his career is just 299 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, you know what, your He's almost rolls out 300 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: of bed. He's going to have a great Sea's not 301 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: that Trey Turner has not, but the consistency with him 302 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: is just tremendous. 303 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 6: For m v P. Last year, Lindor or turn Turner. 304 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: Turner got Turner was Yeah, Turner was top five m VP. Correct, Yeah. 305 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: He was Lindor I think finished tenth. 306 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Turner had Turner. Yeah, this really this is a 307 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: tough up for me. This is a toss up. This 308 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: is a toss up. So all right, left field is 309 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: a little bit in flux. For the Mets, they could 310 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: be Carson Benge, Tyrone Taylor is going to compete for 311 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: that job. Some playing time. Brett Bady could get them 312 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: at bats there the Phillies, of course, unless they make 313 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: a move before opening day. There's some We spent Tuesday's 314 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: episode talking about some possibilities that are out there, Randall 315 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: grit Chick, Miguel Andrew Harr, a couple other guys, Austin Hayes. 316 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: It looks like it's going to be Brandon Marsh and 317 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: Auto Kemp. 318 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 6: I got I got the phillies on this one. Yeah, 319 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: I got the phills. 320 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I don't know much about benj 321 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: but I got the phillies over on this. 322 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: One, slight edge of the Yeah, I like it. 323 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: I broke it down outfield versus outfield. Okay, So I 324 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: won't give you my final grade, but I'll hear you 325 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: guys out and I'll tell you your teaser. I'm gonna tease. 326 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tease that puppy and it all comes down 327 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: to one guy. 328 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: And stay tuned, stay tuned for Jim's grade on the outfield. 329 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: Uh. 330 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 2: Brandon Marsh from May through the end of the season 331 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: beat a three oh three eight thirty six. Ops. You know. 332 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: MLB Network does this MLB now like the Top ten. 333 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: Have you guys seen this Brandon Marsh ranked? They put 334 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: Brandon Marsh as the tenth best left fielder in Major 335 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: League Baseball, which I think surprised a lot of people, 336 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: so you never know. They're really high on auto camp. 337 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: He was banged up last year, he's healthy. They think 338 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: he can go out there and maybe be a nice platoon. 339 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see, but you know, the Mets again, 340 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: we don't really know who's gonna be playing left field 341 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: for the Mets center field. 342 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: This is interesting. 343 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. Louise Robert R. Versus Justin Crawford. Now, 344 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the edge to Luis Robert Junior only 345 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: because he is a no quantity. I believe that you 346 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: get him out of that hellscape of Chicago with no 347 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: fans in the stands, you're losing one hundred and fifteen games. 348 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: Not to say he was mailing in and or whatever, 349 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: but you're gonna have a little bit more juice playing 350 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: in city field in the NL East and you are 351 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: playing for the White Sox and with no chance to win. 352 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: So if Louise Robert Junior stays healthy, and you know, 353 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: I think he can put up some big numbers, you know. Yeah, 354 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: So I'm going with Louise Robert Junior over Justin Crows. 355 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 6: I'm going to Louise Robert Jr. 356 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 3: Also, I'm not a huge fan of his, but he 357 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: has the ability and he's been playing in the big 358 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: leagues for what over five six years now. 359 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 6: I mean, this is a guy's got a lot more. 360 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: Experience, and Justin Corwford's an unknown commodity. 361 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 6: I gotta go with Louise Robert Jr. 362 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Here In this one, and we know you're not a 363 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: big fan of his because I believe the last two 364 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: trade deadlines. There it is, dude again, give me a lot. 365 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: There you go. So it's interesting because you got a 366 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: young kid with some upside against you know, a lot 367 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: of ability, who has tons of ability, cantilizing potential, but 368 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: just hasn't done it in a while and gets hurt, 369 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: doesn't always put out, and he'll hear it up there 370 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: if he doesn't put out, because they won't put up 371 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: with that. So obviously Lewis Robert being being around a 372 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: little bit more with that potential, can be much more 373 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: of a force I think out of the gate than Justin. 374 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: And he's a really good defender, and Justin Crawford there's 375 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: a question to mark about his defense. 376 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 6: So you know whether he can. 377 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: Be a I remember Louis Robert Junior can play d 378 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: he can he can roam out there. 379 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna get a lot of effort 380 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: out of Crawford, and I also think that means something. 381 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: So Lewis Robert better show a little bit of a 382 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: little bit of effort. I think he will up there 383 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: change your scenery, demanding fans. 384 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: But he gets he gets banged up a lot. So 385 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: the last five seasons, he's played one hundred more than 386 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and ten games just once in the last 387 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: five seasons. So he's the guy that gets hurt a lot. 388 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: Hory Planker, we talked about him earlier. He gets hurt 389 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 2: a lot. Boba Schetz had a bunch of leg injuries 390 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: the past few years, so that you know. 391 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 6: That's half injuries for both. 392 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you gotta get on the field here, 393 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 2: So right field, Juan Soto. 394 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: I wonder which one we're gonna go with here? 395 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: This is an easy this is a he's a no brainer. 396 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: Swan Soto, he crushes Yeah what what what a dollar? 397 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: Scarcia can bring the table's good defense, some energy, some power, 398 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: lots of swing a miss and can he make enough 399 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: contact to be like a solid six seven hole hitter 400 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: for the Phillies. 401 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 6: We'll see. 402 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: So in terms of offense, offensive production, putting runs on 403 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the scoreboard, Juan Soto tilts the entire offense, the entire 404 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: outfielder should say in the Mets direction, in the. 405 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: Greed, Yeah he's I mean, he's like if you're talking 406 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: about the entire if you talk about the entire outfield, 407 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: no question that that they have the edge. 408 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got m there. 409 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, d H probably Mark Ventos. 410 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 6: This is a no brainer. 411 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: Kyle Schwerber, No, come on, I mean, you get one 412 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars. He hits tanks, you know, 413 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: and he's performed, but he's gotten. 414 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 6: Better every year. 415 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: And as though he ain't ever getting comfortable, he's been 416 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: he's been in Major League Baseball eleven years, ten times 417 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: to the postseason, continues to improve, always brings a hunger. 418 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: That's a big letter p on that matchup. 419 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: Some talent with Bientos, some talent with the bat, no 420 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: question about it. Very streaky though, can punch out and 421 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: get into those punch outs. Handles the Phillies really well 422 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: for some reason. But he's a Philly killer, but pretty inconsistent. 423 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: And this is a no brainer. 424 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, so let's move on to the rotation. Now, 425 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: the rotation the Mets projected Freddie Peralta, David Peterson, Clay Holmes, 426 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: Nolan McClain, Sean Manya, Cody Sanga, Tobias Myers. That's the 427 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: kind of like the gist of the rotation. You don't 428 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: know how they're gonna fall or whatever. Health obviously, blah 429 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: blah blah. Philly's rotation, Christopher Sanchez, Jeesus sozardro Aaron Nolah, 430 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler, Andrew Painter, Taiwan Walker, Fangrafts War projections. Gotta 431 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 2: throw those out there. Philly's rotation fifteen point eight, Mets 432 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: twelve point three, So a big edge to the Phillies 433 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: rotation via fangrafs war. I would have to agree with 434 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: Fangrafts for war, and also the old fashioned eye test 435 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: and just watching these guys pitch. I mean, especially if 436 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler comes back and the talk about him is 437 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: so weirdly like upbeat and positive, it's almost kind of like, 438 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: can it possibly be the doing he'd be doing this well, 439 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: but yeah, everybody seems to be pretty upbeat about his 440 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: recovery so far. 441 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: I think if Wheeler's healthy, then it's it's clearly, clearly 442 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 3: an edge to the Phillies. 443 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 6: Now there's been some talk about Franbur Valdez. He has 444 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 6: not signed yet, There's talk about fran Ra Valdez coming 445 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 6: to the Mets. 446 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: I think depth wise, I think the Mets. I take 447 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: the the Mets. They've got better depth. But I would 448 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 3: say that just on paper right now. Again, we don't 449 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 3: win championships on paper, but right now, as a scout 450 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: and as an evaluator, I would see that the I 451 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: would say that the Phillies are have the edge here 452 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: in the rotation. 453 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 6: It's one of the strengths of the team. 454 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: And if it's not the strength of the team, then 455 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 3: they're in and a whole lot of shit. 456 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the acquisition of Peralta, we 457 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: talk about Zach Wheeler coming back healthy and doing Zach 458 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: Wheeler type things. Phillies still might have the best picture 459 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: on both teams, and that's Christopher Sanchez, who has in 460 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: the last two seasons, you know, vaulted right there to 461 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: number one status and has a chance I think this 462 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: season to really firm that uh lay ball up and 463 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I expect him to because he you know, we talked 464 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: about Schwarber never comfortable, Sanchez never comfortable, great worth, work, ethic, 465 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: always getting better. I think he, you know, finished second 466 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to Cy Young last year, twenty two quality starts to tie, 467 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, tie for the major league lead. Uh not comfortable, power, fastball, 468 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: great change up, great pitching aptitude. I think we could 469 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: see another great season from from Christopher Sanchez. He might 470 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: be the best pitcher on on both staffs. 471 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: He's got that look about him, man, when he's just 472 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: in the clubhouse on the mound, looks like a stud pitch. 473 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: And Lozardo's really good, and Wheelers really good, and Panter's 474 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: got great ability if he ever puts it together. 475 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: Nolah's huge concerned. 476 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: About starts out of Lozardo, man, and he threw he 477 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: had a Cy Young worthy. You know he'd be in 478 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 3: that conversation too if he didn't get blown up a 479 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: couple of years. 480 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, with those he's pitch tipping. 481 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: With those two starts. There were twenty earn runs in 482 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: those two games inane he added like a three point 483 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: zero three ra or something. If you take those out 484 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: and he's pitching for a contract. Great motivator, yep, and 485 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: he's a great kid. 486 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 487 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: I like the Phillies. I think the Freddie Peroulta acquisition 488 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: was a must for the Mets. I love this kid, 489 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Nolan McClain, great talent. But I'll take the Phillies rotation, 490 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, over the Mets. I just think it's a 491 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: better rotation. I think it's the strength of the Phillies team. 492 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some question marks. Some things have to 493 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: go right, but you can say that about every team. 494 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: Things have to always go right for teams. 495 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. All right, But let's finish up 496 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: with the bullpen. The Mets bullpen we mentioned at the top. 497 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: They added Devin Williams and Luke Weaver. They have a 498 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: j Minter Brooks, Raley Louis former Phil Luis Garcia, Wascar, Brazobah. 499 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: Phillies of course, a Jouan, Duran Alvarado, Jose Alvarado, Brad Keller, 500 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkan, Kennerbanks, Jonathan Bolan, Fangrafts war Phillies four point six, 501 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: Mets three point three. So the numbers like the Phillies, 502 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: but Ruben and Jim like the Phillies. 503 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 6: I like the Phillies. 504 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I I you know Devin Williams, you know, 505 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: a few years back may have been a bigger difference, 506 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 3: but people have made some adjustments on him. 507 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 6: I know he finished the season off a little bit better. 508 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: With the Yankees, and he started obviously, he's really struggled 509 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: for a long time with the Yankees. I like Gironduran. 510 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: I mean that Joan Duran's as good as it gets. 511 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: As far as the Closures are concerned, I'm I got 512 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: the Phillies, man. I like the fact that they added Keller. 513 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: I think that they have Alvarado was a big arm. 514 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: It will bounce back. I think he'll throw well. I 515 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: think Kirk Ring will bounce back after that tragedy in 516 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: the playoffs. And you know, Tenor Banks actually done a 517 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: nice job for really really good, solid job, very underrated. 518 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: I like that combination of of of guys over the Mets. 519 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: But again, and you never know what's gonna happen during 520 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: the season, but u but as of right now, I'll 521 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: give the edge of the Phills. 522 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the edge to the Phillies as well, 523 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: because the Mets subtracted Diaz and the Phillies, you know, 524 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: they're they're they're you know, criticized for quote unquote running 525 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: it back just a couple of months, you know, with 526 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: into last season or with a couple of months to go. 527 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: They acquired Johann Duran. Johann Doran, and he's a difference maker, 528 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: and they're gonna happen the whole year, and they're gonna 529 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: have the whole year. So the subtraction of Diaz with 530 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: the late season, you know, trade deadline acquisition of of 531 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Doran and having him the whole year, I think it's huge. 532 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: I think the Phillies know where they're going to go 533 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: in the ninth inning. It's not one of these years 534 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: where they're scratching their head. So coming right out of 535 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: the gate, they're gonna have guys slotting in. 536 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 6: Uh. 537 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna know who's coming out there in the ninth 538 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: dinning and who's who's gonna slot in uh in front 539 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: of him, and they got to do their jobs. Alvarado's 540 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: big key. He's gonna come out firing Keller like that acquisition, 541 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: especially you know, in that seventh or eighth and see 542 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: what happens. But on paper, I have to give the 543 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Phillies a bit of an edge there. Devin Williams a 544 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: question mark after what he did in Yankee Stadium last year. 545 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: And he's still in yank in you know, New York, 546 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: and that's tough. That's a cauldron up there. It's like 547 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: Philly when things are going bad. New York's tough. When 548 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: things are going bad, Boston's tough. So he needs to 549 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: come out and established himself quickly. Devin Williams does, and 550 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: I think Johann Duran will And already has established himself 551 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: as an ass kicker in Philadelphia. Yeah, absolutely has. 552 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't keeping track here, guys, but it feel like 553 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: if we added, if we tallied up everybody's choices, it 554 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: was maybe pretty I mean almost even. You know, Phillies 555 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: versus Mets. In other words, it's not a lopsided as 556 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: lopside is. Maybe some people think one way or the other. 557 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: Phillies are still a pretty good team, you know. 558 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: Everything's are the Raining, are the Raining nationally champs. They 559 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: got to be the crowned. I mean, you know, the 560 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: people are chasing the Phillies. They won by over thirteen 561 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: games or whatever it was. 562 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 6: Nobody was close. I know Atlanta will have a much 563 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 6: better year this year. 564 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: They'll be healthier it'll make things very difficult, and they 565 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: could be. 566 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 6: They're going to be in the mix, There's no question 567 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 6: about it. 568 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: They've got a lot of talent, and for their sake, 569 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure they're hopeful that they're healthy. But it should 570 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: be a very interesting l east. 571 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: It should be. It's just so funny, Like you think 572 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: back to the summer, right, and you know we were 573 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: giving thumbs down to Luis Robert Junor. I don't think 574 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: a lot of Phillies fans were excited about Louis Robert 575 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: Junior when that was maybe a possibility. It's like, oh 576 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: my god, forget about it. This guy bring up justin Crawford. 577 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: And then you fast forward a few months later, it's like, 578 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: oh my god, justin Crawford, the Mets got Louise Robert Jr. 579 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is so talented. You know, it's 580 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: just funny how some perspectives changed and perceptions change in 581 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: a few months with everything that has happened. 582 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: But you know who's got the better mascot? 583 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: Oh please don't be ridiculous. 584 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: Why, I don't know, an embarrassment. 585 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 6: I also. 586 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: I also want to say this though, Uh, the Braves 587 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: should be pretty good. This year too, I think really 588 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: bounce back and and and so I don't want anybody 589 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: down in Atlanta going, oh, they're overlooking their braves. This 590 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: that's not what it is. It's just everybody up here 591 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: right now has been focused on the Mets so much, 592 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: especially after they stole Bobachette. You know. The feeling is 593 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: that they stole bobershet from the Phillies at. 594 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: The last and they basically took contrast in in in 595 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: off seasons, one team that basically jettisoned a bunch of 596 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: guys that had been there for many years, including McNeil, 597 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 3: Nimo and Alonso as well as h Das. 598 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 6: I mean there's four guys that were like core players 599 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 6: for them gone. 600 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: One team shook it up and one team. 601 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: One team they took the dice and they fired them, 602 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: and the other team stayed stayed pretty consistent. 603 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So there you go. Spring Training Pitchers and Catchers 604 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: is on February eleventh. And I tell you what, man, 605 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: the way the weather's been guys the last few days 606 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: that his soul sol sucking. 607 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 6: Yeah. 608 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: Wait, so going down next week and I'm going down 609 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: again the following week. 610 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: So you're going you're him back down. All right? 611 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh god, I got lined for a reason. 612 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 2: Bro, isn't this weather just the worst raccoon? 613 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 6: Thank you? That's those glasses. I better start putting on 614 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 6: a little sunscreen. I'm not listening to Schmidty enough. 615 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you should listen to the Schmidt Well next time, 616 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 2: dow Hey, Before we go, I do want to send 617 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 2: my condolences to the great Philadelphia writer Dan McQuaid, who 618 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: passed away, uh this past week at age forty three. 619 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: Dan uh, you know he worked at dead Spin, Philly 620 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: mag You know, he worked all over the place. Defector, 621 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: a great, great guy back when like Twitter was like 622 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: at its peak, when it was so much fun to 623 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 2: be on. Guys like Dan McQuaid were so great and 624 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: like his spirit was amazing. He would reach He was 625 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: at the Phillies game years ago where the fanatic was 626 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: dressed up as Batman. He was supposed to drop in 627 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: from a helicopter. He's supposed to sky dive in, and 628 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: the wind was so bad, and so the fanatic is 629 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: hanging from this helicopter for like twenty five minutes, and 630 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: Dan Baker had to stretch out this whole bit. And 631 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: so Dan Baker's trying to stretch out this whole bit. 632 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: It was absolutely hysterical as Dan Baker's trying to like, oh, no, fanatic, 633 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 2: what are you going? You know he's doing this whole thing. 634 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: It was a great moment. Dan I always popping his head. 635 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 2: Every once in a while, Dan would talk about it. 636 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: But if you're not familiar with Dan's work, you've got 637 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: to go read the story he wrote in Philly magg 638 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: several years ago. He watched Rocky two the training montage. 639 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: It was like a minute long, and he was watching 640 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: it and this is how his brain worked, and he said, 641 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: I wonder because he saw these different parts of the city. 642 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: So he went and he actually figured out if Rocky 643 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: actually ran this thirty second montage and the order it 644 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: was presented in the movie. It was like a thirty 645 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 2: mile run. It was so genius, so funny, so clever. 646 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: I'll put a link in the description, so if you're 647 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 2: watching this on YouTube, you can click the link and 648 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: read it, or if you're listening listening to us on 649 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 2: the pod, you can click the link and check it 650 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: out that way. By my condolences to him, what a 651 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: what a great guy man, just one of the all 652 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: time a great Philly guy, great Philly guys. So yeah, yeah, 653 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: all right, guys. We will be back next week as 654 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: we gear up for more spring training talk. I might 655 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: have a few surprises next week. I don't know. 656 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 6: We might have some guests. 657 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: We might have some guests. We're working on it, all right. 658 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: Guys, samelliar a little boys, It's nice Jim. 659 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 660 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 661 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.