Speaker 1: They know that that's not a great sell. So you
Speaker 1: can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
Speaker 1: every night. So instead you reimagine it when it comes
Speaker 1: to issues like this, man does it not land well
Speaker 1: to get on the news and say it's an A
Speaker 1: plus economy.
Speaker 2: Now, the problem came when China released the sequence and
Speaker 2: started warning about this new virus and showing propaganda films
Speaker 2: and all sorts of things like that. Now Fauci had
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 1: So just quickly, because we have a bunch to get to.
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles is going to join us as we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about affordability and infighting on the right. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Tucker is going to join us. We'll talk about more
Speaker 1: about the Fauci stuff. He finished reading all that fauchery
Speaker 1: Fauci diary notebooks that we're going to get to all
Speaker 1: those things in the show. But I wanted to remind
Speaker 1: you of something that we can never forget, and it's
Speaker 1: easy to lose sight of this.
Speaker 3: I want to remind you.
Speaker 1: That the Communists, it's not just that he lies all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: It's not just that it's that his.
Speaker 1: Lies serve a purpose, a very important purpose. He's not
Speaker 1: like one of these people who just lies for fun.
Speaker 1: You know, I used to know a guy like this.
Speaker 1: I used to work with a guy like this, and
Speaker 1: he would whatever sport you were doing. You could be
Speaker 1: shooting pool, and he would tell you he used to
Speaker 1: play professionally. I'm not kidding. Told me one time that
Speaker 1: he used to play professional corn hole. Like there's no
Speaker 1: purpose for that. He's just just a liar. But communists
Speaker 1: don't operate in that way. The reason they lie all
Speaker 1: the time about everything is they have very evil plans
Speaker 1: for you and your country and everything you care about.
Speaker 1: And what's more, they know these plans are evil. They
Speaker 1: know these plans are destructive, and they know that you
Speaker 1: don't want that. Who looks around and says, man, I
Speaker 1: hope someone would come along and just burn all this
Speaker 1: stuff down. People don't want it. So if people don't
Speaker 1: want what you're selling, make yourself a sleazy used car salesman.
Speaker 1: If people don't want that pontiac sitting there because they
Speaker 1: think it's going to break down, and let's say you
Speaker 1: don't have any morals at all, your only care is
Speaker 1: the sale itself, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You lie? Just lie?
Speaker 1: Lies are required if you're a communist. Now how you
Speaker 1: lie is important as wow. You see, they'll take the
Speaker 1: most despicable things, horrible things in the world, and what
Speaker 1: they'll do is they'll pull it, they'll focus group it,
Speaker 1: they'll massage the words as much as possible to make
Speaker 1: whatever demonic thing they're doing sounds not that bad or
Speaker 1: almost almost nice. A great example of this is women's
Speaker 1: reproductive rights.
Speaker 3: What are they talking about? Butchering on born babies?
Speaker 1: That's what it is, butchering on moren babies, snipping off
Speaker 1: their heads and killing unborn babies.
Speaker 3: But that's a tough cell, isn't it.
Speaker 1: How many people do you know want to talk about
Speaker 1: snipping off a baby's head?
Speaker 3: Not many?
Speaker 1: But women's reproductive right? So that sounds good. I like
Speaker 1: women's rights. One of the words that needs to set
Speaker 1: off alarms in your head every single time you hear
Speaker 1: it is when they use a term they love so much,
Speaker 1: and that term is reimagine, reimagine, reimagine. They're always reimagining something.
Speaker 1: We need to reimagine this and reimagine capitalism and reimagine this.
Speaker 1: All reimagine means is destroyed. Reimagine means destroyed. Period now
Speaker 1: destroy is a hard cell. Reimagine and the love they
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 4: Reimagining impact requires leaders who will reimagine and who will
Speaker 4: be unafraid to do so. We need local communities to
Speaker 4: reimagine policing.
Speaker 1: We imagine what safety for all looks like. We have
Speaker 1: got to in America reimagine how we are accomplishing public safety.
Speaker 1: This will be a moment to reimagine, reinvent, and recreate it.
Speaker 5: Right now, the mayor is carrying out trying to reimagine
Speaker 5: public safety and get us out of this process of
Speaker 5: just thinking police officers is what is needed as public safety,
Speaker 5: but thinking about the other pieces of it. In Minneapolis,
Speaker 5: I think is on the right track at the moment.
Speaker 6: What do we do to make life better for everybody?
Speaker 6: We certainly have enough. I mean, we just created the
Speaker 6: most number of billionaires in the history of the world.
Speaker 3: You know, we have enough.
Speaker 6: We could do this, but it's going to take some imagination,
Speaker 6: reimagining of what America is, what our economic system is,
Speaker 6: because what's clear is it's not working and it's not sustainable.
Speaker 3: Isn't it wild?
Speaker 1: How often they say and you'll hear it again and
Speaker 1: the next time you hear it. You're going to sit
Speaker 1: up in your chair now. Just remember this part before
Speaker 1: we go to Michael. When they say reimagine, this is
Speaker 1: what they mean.
Speaker 7: So we're gonna put up on the screen a few
Speaker 7: of the things that are part of your platform, and
Speaker 7: I want to ask you just give me sort of
Speaker 7: a true false on these. Abolish the Senate.
Speaker 3: True okay.
Speaker 7: Replace the Presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 7: Abolish ice. Absolutely, abolish borders, and give amnesty to anyone
Speaker 7: currently in the US illegally as a long term plan.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 7: Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely, abolish prisons, at least in large part.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Again, that is part of a long term program.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, So no prisons, government or public ownership of
Speaker 7: most large corporations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they mean.
Speaker 1: They know that that's not a great sell. So you
Speaker 1: can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
Speaker 1: every night, so.
Speaker 3: Instead you reimagine it.
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to go talk to Michael about
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. Affordability, what's the future primary look
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Speaker 1: Joining me now, my friend Michael Knowles, of course, of
Speaker 1: the wonderful Michael Knowles show. Michael, there's been all kinds
Speaker 1: of a hubb eight hours on affordability.
Speaker 3: This an affordability that?
Speaker 1: And is the country just hopelessly screwed and can't afford
Speaker 1: anything anymore? Is it just that you're not pulling yourself
Speaker 1: up by your bootstraps enough.
Speaker 3: I hand the whole thing over to you. What's your
Speaker 3: take on all this? Well, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: The entire conservative movement was at each other's throats yesterday
Speaker 4: over a burrito. They were at each other's burritos, which
Speaker 4: sounds evocative and kind of gross. But the reason for this,
Speaker 4: it came out in that what you're there and there.
Speaker 3: There she is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's I was at the burrito this morning too.
Speaker 4: The reason for this, as you alluded to with the
Speaker 4: JD Vance Mark Tiesen fight, was because you had these
Speaker 4: two camps of the conservative movement fighting all day. You
Speaker 4: had Andrew Colvett versus who was a Joel Berry. You
Speaker 4: had Ben Shapiro versus Matt Walsh, and it was essentially
Speaker 4: the libertarian and the more neo Connie side versus the
Speaker 4: populists and the more traditionalist side. And the question not
Speaker 4: just about burritos. It was not just about the economy.
Speaker 4: It was how should we react when normal people complain
Speaker 4: about the economy, and normal people are entirely banished from
Speaker 4: political twitter and politics generally. So the more libertarian Neoconi
Speaker 4: side said that the way we should react is by
Speaker 4: calling them a bunch of stupid ingrades who should just
Speaker 4: eat Ramen noodles, and the more populist traditionalist side said
Speaker 4: the way that we should react is by I really
Speaker 4: want to end the Iran war. So I think both
Speaker 4: sides were kind of speaking past each other a little bit.
Speaker 4: I do have a lot of sympathy, though, for the
Speaker 4: more trad and kind of populist side, which doesn't always
Speaker 4: worship at the altar of the free market, likes free markets,
Speaker 4: but recognizes that markets serve people, and when people say
Speaker 4: they're having trouble paying the bills, we should listen to
Speaker 4: them because this is a democracy and you're supposed to
Speaker 4: show respect to your constituents. And I go back to
Speaker 4: my buddy Ben Shapiro, who you know. He's making all
Speaker 4: these points about how grocery prices actually haven't risen all
Speaker 4: that much in reason and years of the rose a
Speaker 4: lot during COVID, and there are other bad economic indicators.
Speaker 4: But Ben loves to say facts don't care about your feelings,
Speaker 4: which is totally true. The problem is that politics exclusively
Speaker 4: cares about your feelings. And so I think Vance made
Speaker 4: a great point on Laura Ingram show, which is he said, look,
Speaker 4: socialism is evil. We don't want socialism. A lot of
Speaker 4: people are voting for socialists right now because the socialists
Speaker 4: are talking about affordability. So if you want to avoid socialism,
Speaker 4: the thing you have to do is talk about the
Speaker 4: economic hardship that people are feeling and then channel it
Speaker 4: in a good direction. And the main way that we
Speaker 4: should do that is blame the immigrants, because it's basically
Speaker 4: all their fault.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily wrong on that.
Speaker 1: My problem with this with so much of this debate, Michael,
Speaker 1: because there are great points on both sides, and like
Speaker 1: you said, a lot of people just have agendas and
Speaker 1: it's just monkeys too, and poop at each other. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about that, but there are good points to
Speaker 1: be had. My problem, honestly, it comes clear from the top, Michael,
Speaker 1: honestly with Donald Trump himself, is how we're messaging the
Speaker 1: fact that people remember what it was like five six
Speaker 1: years ago to afford more things. This is not fifty
Speaker 1: years ago. Five or six years ago, you could afford
Speaker 1: more than you can afford now. The American people hated
Speaker 1: it with the fire of a thousand suns when Joe
Speaker 1: Biden would go to the camera and tell them how
Speaker 1: great they had it. It's great, economy's great if you
Speaker 1: guys just starren't reporting on it. They hated it because
Speaker 1: you don't kick dirt in someone's face when they're down
Speaker 1: and tell them how great it is. I understand full
Speaker 1: well that it is Donald Trump's way. Everything's the best ever,
Speaker 1: the best looking ever, the greatest ever, the golden I
Speaker 1: understand that that's his way, and I like it.
Speaker 3: I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: When it comes to issues like this, man does it
Speaker 1: not land well to get on the news and say
Speaker 1: it's an A plus economy, golden age, stock market's never
Speaker 1: been higher. If you're sitting at home crying about your
Speaker 1: grocery bill.
Speaker 3: That doesn't land. Well, no it doesn't.
Speaker 4: And so I think actually the administration has a pretty
Speaker 4: good argument to make here, but they have to acknowledge
Speaker 4: the problem because the socialists are making hay on it.
Speaker 4: And what the Trump administration can say is, look, the
Speaker 4: cost of groceries actually hasn't risen all that much over
Speaker 4: the last two years. But it did rise a ton
Speaker 4: during the Biden years.
Speaker 3: It did.
Speaker 4: The inflation was massive, and so you're feeling that it's
Speaker 4: not it doesn't go in the other direction. The price
Speaker 4: has never really come down. So we're working on that.
Speaker 4: But the biggest drivers of costs right now, it's not
Speaker 4: actually the burritos. It's not exactly your groceries. So some
Speaker 4: groceries are more expensive. The biggest driver of costs is housing.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's where you're really seeing housing jump from
Speaker 4: I think it was twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Housing jumped up like thirty percent in prices, but wages
Speaker 4: only rose about nine percent. And so you know, that's
Speaker 4: a huge delta that people are still dealing with. And
Speaker 4: you know the biggest drivers of this are bad regulation.
Speaker 4: You know, you're seeing the housing prices and the grocery prices,
Speaker 4: and the energy price is really jumping in those Democrat
Speaker 4: cities and states. But the other big drivers here are
Speaker 4: mass migration. You know, there was a study came out
Speaker 4: last year showed that one hundred percent of the growth
Speaker 4: in home prices in California and New York was due
Speaker 4: to mass migration, and nationally it was sixty percent. So
Speaker 4: this is something that the Trump administration is working to fix.
Speaker 4: They just booted three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians out
Speaker 4: of the country today. That the argument to keep the
Speaker 4: Haitians here, by the way, from the left was that
Speaker 4: the Haitians owned homes and had mortgages. Well they shouldn't
Speaker 4: own homes. They shouldn't have mortgages. American citizens should. So
Speaker 4: you can make those arguments and say, look, a lot
Speaker 4: of this is the left's fault. All of the prescriptions
Speaker 4: they have for you, these socialist candidates are only going
Speaker 4: to make the problem worse. And there is a problem
Speaker 4: right now. We've done some good to fix it. We
Speaker 4: got more good. That is, it's going to take a
Speaker 4: little while to actually see the effects of that. And
Speaker 4: they do have a weak point on the Iran war,
Speaker 4: because the Iran War hasn't actually driven up energy costs
Speaker 4: all that much, but it could over time, and it's
Speaker 4: bad optics and people just kind of viscerally feel it,
Speaker 4: so you have to acknowledge the problem. Yeah, it is
Speaker 4: hard out there in the economy, man, and the reasons
Speaker 4: are mass migration, over regulation, not building houses, not democrats
Speaker 4: taking a long time to open up energy. And we're
Speaker 4: fixing that right now. You've seen some good effects and
Speaker 4: you've got more to come, but don't elect socialists in
Speaker 4: the meantime.
Speaker 1: Let's flip it to the other side, because you mentioned
Speaker 1: the more neocondio conservative types who kind of seem like
Speaker 1: they're on the outs. That's probably inevitable. The American people
Speaker 1: don't care about foreign policy anymore when they're a little
Speaker 1: bit more hard up. There's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1: But it's impossible not to notice that the ven diagram
Speaker 1: of people who wave their pom poms as hard as
Speaker 1: possible to go to war with Iran are the exact
Speaker 1: same people who are telling everybody to shut up and
Speaker 1: go make top ram and to all really just come
Speaker 1: back to this, and honestly, I'm not even trying to
Speaker 1: be insulting because some people have just different views of
Speaker 1: the country. Does it come back to everything should be
Speaker 1: messaged and packaged and talked about in such a way
Speaker 1: that we can keep dropping bombs on Iran because that
Speaker 1: is the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 3: That is the direction.
Speaker 1: Everything that can go, and everything that encourages that should
Speaker 1: be should be loudly champion and everything that might hurt
Speaker 1: that cause.
Speaker 3: Should be slapped down immediately. Because that's how it seems.
Speaker 4: Mike, the Neocon side is just completely tone deaf here.
Speaker 4: And you know, you don't have to give up the
Speaker 4: fact that America is a big empire. It's a global empire.
Speaker 4: A lot of our economy and our society is actually
Speaker 4: dependent upon our maintaining the global order. But this is
Speaker 4: an unpopular war. That was true from the beginning, and
Speaker 4: it's true now. People just look at it and with
Speaker 4: common sense they say, hold on, how come we can
Speaker 4: afford all these missiles, but we can't afford to build
Speaker 4: new housing in the United States. And I think the
Speaker 4: Neocani side has made a huge error, which is to
Speaker 4: preen and to come off as these sort of sneering
Speaker 4: pedants to say, well, you just don't understand economics. You know,
Speaker 4: why don't you just go make top ramen? Why don't
Speaker 4: you pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But it's also
Speaker 4: politically wrong. They actually misunderstand politics because while yes, we
Speaker 4: encourage individuals to hustle and do the best they can
Speaker 4: and make something of themselves, we're talking talking about politics here,
Speaker 4: and so you can't just ignore political solutions. You know,
Speaker 4: we're willing to talk about grand strategy and political systems
Speaker 4: when it comes to bombing the Middle East, but all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, when it comes to domestic strife, we say,
Speaker 4: hands off, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. We're not
Speaker 4: going to help you. That doesn't make sense. And there's
Speaker 4: a deeply conservative insight that we get from Benjamin Disraeli
Speaker 4: over in the UK, which is that the palace is
Speaker 4: not safe when the cottage is unhappy. So you actually
Speaker 4: do have to listen to the people. It is conservative
Speaker 4: to be responsive to the people. Politics classically involves three parts,
Speaker 4: the logical part, the theumatic spirited part, and the competitive part.
Speaker 4: That's why we our congressman get elected every two years.
Speaker 4: They have to be very sensitive to what the people want.
Speaker 4: And here the people are saying, look, we have a
Speaker 4: lot of economic hardship. The worst possible thing you can
Speaker 4: say to them is no, you don't. It's actually great.
Speaker 4: Shut up, stop whining. You're a loser. It's political suicide.
Speaker 3: And it's just not true. Okay.
Speaker 4: You know, In fact, a lot of the reason why
Speaker 4: Republicans have gotten elected in recas years is because we
Speaker 4: have appealed to ordinary, common sense concerns of the American people.
Speaker 4: So to sell that now, you're going to see the
Speaker 4: exact same effects that you saw the last time Republicans
Speaker 4: did this in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 4: and that was Democrat rule for many years.
Speaker 1: This is part of my problem with those of us
Speaker 1: tough me, everybody watching right now who get involved. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're involved in knowledgeable and spend our time
Speaker 1: online about political issues. We can obviously get way too
Speaker 1: close to the forest to see the trees. Donald trumps
Speaker 1: president again because of affordability and immigration.
Speaker 3: It's not because of Maha or my bad.
Speaker 1: It's not that didn't matter. It's not because of this
Speaker 1: that issue. People couldn't afford stuff there matter. Democrats have
Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump, and there are certain inevitables. We
Speaker 1: are going to get massacred at the mid terms. If
Speaker 1: something is not done in the next few months, it
Speaker 1: is inevitable. It can't be avoided. Another thing inevitable, it's
Speaker 1: Jadi Vance. Donald Trump reporting out there today saying that JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is going to be his guy, and there'll be
Speaker 1: all this weeping and gnashing of teeth. And I don't
Speaker 1: like coronations either, but JD. Vance just won the primary.
Speaker 1: If that's if he gets Trump's blessing, it's over. We'll
Speaker 1: argue about it on Twitter and throw monkey poop at
Speaker 1: each other. But again, this is one of those things
Speaker 1: that's inevitable. There are things that are inevitable.
Speaker 4: Yes, And you know, even with this shadow fight over Vance,
Speaker 4: you've seen this big public campaign against Vans in recent weeks.
Speaker 4: I think because some of the donor class, some of
Speaker 4: the pundit kind of out of touch class, they don't
Speaker 4: like JD. Vans for whatever reason. They think he's too
Speaker 4: conservative or I don't know, he's not their kind of conservative.
Speaker 4: So they were trying to get Rubio to run. There
Speaker 4: was no indication that Rubio wanted to run. They're trying
Speaker 4: to create division between Vans and the President. But this
Speaker 4: is really, in my mind, a replay of twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: It's in most cases all the very same people who
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen were running the Never Trump movement making
Speaker 4: all the same arguments that they made against Trump back
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. They're making against Vance now that he's
Speaker 4: betraying libertarian economics by leaning into economic populism, that he's
Speaker 4: an isolation. They're insinuating that he harbors some kind of bigotry,
Speaker 4: without any evidence really of that at all. They're suggesting
Speaker 4: this as a betrayal of, you know, the sacred fusionist
Speaker 4: Reagan coalition, which again I think that Trump and Bans
Speaker 4: are really more heirs to the Reagan coalition than traders
Speaker 4: to it. But in any case, you know, history repeats
Speaker 4: itself first as a tragedy then as farce. We are
Speaker 4: seeing those same dynamics play out. That was always going
Speaker 4: to happen at the end of the Trump era. But
Speaker 4: Trump took over the GOP and the GOP voters wanted
Speaker 4: him to do that, and so whoever Trump picks is
Speaker 4: going to be the nominee. Seems to me that JD.
Speaker 4: Bans was the heir apparent from the minute he picked
Speaker 4: him to be his running mate back in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: And I hope the GOP gets in line. I hope
Speaker 4: they don't just try to take.
Speaker 3: Their ball and go home.
Speaker 4: But we're relitigating the same battle that was fought in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and I think Trump won a decisive victory there.
Speaker 3: So I think he gets to pick the nominee.
Speaker 1: Let's which sides and start beating up on communists because
Speaker 1: that's my favorite thing in the world. Chuck Schumer or
Speaker 1: all these Democrats, really, they're all saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: In response to these DSA comedy types winning primaries. They
Speaker 1: keep going out and they say stuff like this.
Speaker 2: And menu, thank you.
Speaker 3: Is the rise of the DSA. Good for your party.
Speaker 7: Look, we are a big tent party, and being a
Speaker 7: big tent party is a strength, not a weakness.
Speaker 1: We can skip past all the obvious stuff. Chuck Schumer
Speaker 1: is obviously terribly afraid of getting primaried and losing his
Speaker 1: seat and all this other stuff. Michael, the DSA is inevitable.
Speaker 1: I don't know why people can't see this coming. It's
Speaker 1: not the future, it's the now. They will continue to
Speaker 1: destroy all these Democrats. And this is the way the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party is going, and there's nothing you or I
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 3: To stop it.
Speaker 4: It's not just the way the Democrat Party is going,
Speaker 4: it's the way the Democrat Party is. This to me
Speaker 4: is the most obvious takeaway from these primaries that very
Speaker 4: few people seem to be talking about, which is the
Speaker 4: takeaway occurred before election day, and the takeaway is there's
Speaker 4: really no difference betwe between the Democrat socialist candidates and
Speaker 4: the ordinary mainstream establishment Democrat candidates.
Speaker 3: Whether you look in.
Speaker 4: At Abdul Elsaiad, whether you're looking at krey Bush getting
Speaker 4: beaten again, whether you're looking at really any of these candidates,
Speaker 4: you see there's the radical DSA candidate and then the
Speaker 4: more establishment candidate. But they agree on everything. They agree
Speaker 4: on abolishing ice, they agree on transing the kids. They
Speaker 4: agree on abortion up until the moment of birth or later.
Speaker 4: They agree on amnesty for illegals, they agree on letting
Speaker 4: the criminals out of prison. They agree about basically everything.
Speaker 4: Some of them have a little more spice to their
Speaker 4: branding where they are overtly socialist, but the establishment Dems
Speaker 4: and basically all of these races agreed with the Socialists
Speaker 4: on all of their policies. So Chuck Schumer says, well,
Speaker 4: you know, we're a big tent party here in the Democrats. No,
Speaker 4: you're not. You're all exactly the same. You're all progressives
Speaker 4: slash socialists on policy matters, with a few mild disagreements
Speaker 4: over I don't know how much money to give Disrael.
Speaker 4: Some of them hate Israel a little bit more than
Speaker 4: the others do. Some of them only want to train
Speaker 4: the seven year olds rather than the five year olds.
Speaker 4: But basically they all agree on everything. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a big, wide tent of exactly the same people, and
Speaker 4: the Democrats are getting what they have asked for and
Speaker 4: deserved for a long time. And it couldn't happen to
Speaker 4: a nicer party.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: Does it come down to this, and this is not
Speaker 1: my term, but I'm gonna steal ex I don't know
Speaker 1: who you have credit to that. It's basically a purity
Speaker 1: death spiral. There is no there are no more guardrails.
Speaker 1: You can't be too far left in any Democrat primary anywhere.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no longer some.
Speaker 1: Elder powerful statesman to step in and say, okay, AOC,
Speaker 1: shut your mouth and go back to the bronx for
Speaker 1: a little while. That person doesn't exist, that entity doesn't
Speaker 1: exist anymore.
Speaker 3: So now it's just left forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's because of their ideology. It's just because
Speaker 4: of time playing out in their ideology. So you know,
Speaker 4: the minute they embraced the feminism save the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 4: which said that men and women are exactly the same,
Speaker 4: basically the same. The minute you had that, you had
Speaker 4: to get the gay rights movement because that was just
Speaker 4: saying men and women are based the same. You had
Speaker 4: to get same sex marriage because that just says men
Speaker 4: and women are the same. Then you had to get transgenderism,
Speaker 4: which says the same thing. Then you have to trans
Speaker 4: the kids. If transgenderism is possible in human nature, then
Speaker 4: it could happen to a kid just as much as
Speaker 4: it could happen to an adult. So there was this
Speaker 4: kind of logic from their false premisses that meant they
Speaker 4: were always going to get here so long as they
Speaker 4: embrace this liberal ideology. And the Conservatives are in this
Speaker 4: way lucky. The fact that we fight about burritos is
Speaker 4: actually a strength for the GOP because they are all
Speaker 4: these different factions, the neocons and the libertarians, and the
Speaker 4: traditionalists and the populists and the religious right, and on
Speaker 4: and on and on. We say that obscure political monikers
Speaker 4: are the right wing version of gender pronouns. But the
Speaker 4: fact that you got all these ill groups here, they
Speaker 4: all disagree with each other over like everything. They really
Speaker 4: do have different philosophical premisses and ideological bases, and really
Speaker 4: what unites them is a common enemy. We don't want
Speaker 4: the socialists to rise up. So that's great because within
Speaker 4: the GOP you get all these old checks on some
Speaker 4: of the ideological inclinations. The Dems don't have that, and
Speaker 4: so Chuck Schumer doesn't want to get primary by AOC
Speaker 4: or whoever the next socialist is in New York. But
Speaker 4: when it comes to the real issues on immigration, on
Speaker 4: the economy, on transgenderism, on foreign wars, or whatever, there's
Speaker 4: really no difference between him and a socialist. So in
Speaker 4: that way, he's kind of made himself obsolete, and the
Speaker 4: GOP doesn't have to face that. The only fear is
Speaker 4: that we're going to get blown out in the midterms
Speaker 4: by the most radical state of candidates, which are coming
Speaker 4: from the left that we've ever had in the history
Speaker 4: of the United States.
Speaker 1: Michael, you have a lapel mic on, but then you
Speaker 1: have a mic stand sitting there and I can't help.
Speaker 1: But wonder is the mic stand just a prop? Do
Speaker 1: you have a prop mic in your studio? Is it functional?
Speaker 3: This is not.
Speaker 4: Only functional, but it's very, very expensive. This mic is
Speaker 4: my real mic. But I'm a good conservative, and I'm
Speaker 4: always prepared for when the Libs try to cut my
Speaker 4: pas clip my audio. Jesse, you will not lose me.
Speaker 4: I will be backed up here. I have contingency after contingency.
Speaker 4: They will not take me down.
Speaker 3: I believe in you. Michael Knowles, Thank you, my brother.
Speaker 3: I'm beg soup.
Speaker 1: The great Jeffrey Tucker he finished all those faucy diary documents,
Speaker 1: and man, does he have a lot to say next.
Speaker 1: We have to put our money where our morals are.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that many many times before. But in
Speaker 1: some ways are easy, in some ways are difficult. Wireless
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Speaker 1: That's a fact. You can switch to pure Talk. They're
Speaker 1: on the same network. You're not sacrificing coverage, you're paying
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Speaker 1: your money's actually going to a company that is about veterans,
Speaker 1: led by a Vietnam veteran, and they hire Americans.
Speaker 3: Nobody does that anymore.
Speaker 1: But when you inevitably have to get a hold of
Speaker 1: somebody at pure talk, you will speak to an American.
Speaker 1: Go to pure talk dot com, slash jessetv and make
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Speaker 3: Well he's back.
Speaker 1: He's like my favorite person in the world, and right
Speaker 1: now he's just he's got to be giddy because Jeffrey Tucker,
Speaker 1: who obsesses over things in ways that you or I
Speaker 1: can only dream of, has actually finished the Faucy Diary.
Speaker 1: I guess we're calling it. It's not a diary. That's
Speaker 1: not what it is. I'm guilty of that too, calling
Speaker 1: it that, But Jeffrey correctly scolded everybody.
Speaker 3: It's not really what it is.
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask him what it is and what else
Speaker 1: is in there, because remember the first little bit of outrage,
Speaker 1: that was a little teeny tiny fraction of what the
Speaker 1: whole thing said. Joining me now, the wonderful Jeffrey Tucker, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: I hand you the floor.
Speaker 3: What else did you find?
Speaker 2: Well, in the early January twenty twenty one, before the
Speaker 2: shots were really released to the general public, he got
Speaker 2: a warning from the world's most prominent virologist in the UK.
Speaker 2: The delta variant had already arrived and a few days
Speaker 2: later a said it's diminished the effectedness of vaccine. And
Speaker 2: a few days later he came back and said, look,
Speaker 2: you give this shot to people, it will be completely
Speaker 2: useless for stopping infection and spread. And so that's on
Speaker 2: the record. And so Facci knew this, He knew it
Speaker 2: going into it, and he pushed the product and mandated anyway.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Fauci responded to him, well, I
Speaker 2: guess we're just going to have to reformulate the shot,
Speaker 2: and we're going to have to reformulate it. But he
Speaker 2: didn't do anything it. He just went ahead with the
Speaker 2: thing anyway. I mean, that's one of many revelations that
Speaker 2: I think he exposes a darkness about Fasci that Eve
Speaker 2: and I hadn't entirely understood.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey, could you clarify something for me? The shot itself?
Speaker 1: What was with the was it just? Did it just
Speaker 1: come down to money? Big farm of money? Why were
Speaker 1: so many people Fauci himself obsessed with pretending it worked,
Speaker 1: lying about it working, pushing it onto everybody, pushing it
Speaker 1: on to children. I don't want to hear that it
Speaker 1: hurts people. I don't want to hear that it doesn't
Speaker 1: do this. It was all gas, no breaks on this
Speaker 1: particular thing.
Speaker 3: Does it just come down to greed?
Speaker 2: Profits are part of it, no question, pharmaceutical power. But
Speaker 2: there's the second factor that Fauci really wanted to put
Speaker 2: in play, mRNA technology, because it would be the most
Speaker 2: profitable tool in history.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of a technology that allows instantaneous printing.
Speaker 2: More or less, I stick in this sequence of IRUs,
Speaker 2: print out the product, job, job, the potion into people
Speaker 2: at It could be use for anything. So he wanted
Speaker 2: that online, and he had been working on that for
Speaker 2: thirty years, and he never had a way to get
Speaker 2: through the FDA, which would never have approved this product,
Speaker 2: so that in an emergency use situation, it became just
Speaker 2: impossible to resist the chance to finally deploy his favorite thing,
Speaker 2: which would make him go down history and the industry
Speaker 2: make billions and chillions and dollars. But there's another factor
Speaker 2: here too, and I think it's actually the dominant one.
Speaker 2: Everything that happened from late January all the way to
Speaker 2: his resignation was about covering up the lab leak that
Speaker 2: he himself had funded. He had found a secuitous way
Speaker 2: to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and he
Speaker 2: had hoped to pass off the resulting PLU the SARS
Speaker 2: Kobe two that came out of the lab with engineered
Speaker 2: this by manipulated spike protein. He'd hoped to pass it
Speaker 2: off as a bad flu year. That's why earlier. The
Speaker 2: very first thing that happens in the notebooks of the
Speaker 2: diaries I call them diaries too my objections. They're not
Speaker 2: private diaries. They're written with staff, with large staff on
Speaker 2: government computers. The very first thing that happens is he
Speaker 2: starts warning about a bad flu year. Now, why would
Speaker 2: he do this? I think it's because he had hoped
Speaker 2: that so he already knew about SARS Kobe two in
Speaker 2: probably September October of twenty nineteen. But his hope was
Speaker 2: that he because of the gradient of a act that
Speaker 2: mostly it was going to affect the elderly and the infirm,
Speaker 2: that he could sort of bury the lab leak within
Speaker 2: a sort of a larger framework of a bad flu year.
Speaker 2: So he starts warning about a bad flu year, and
Speaker 2: that's that was his hope. Now the problem came when
Speaker 2: China released the sequence and started warning about this new
Speaker 2: virus and showing propaganda films and all sorts of things
Speaker 2: like that. Now found she had a problem, which was
Speaker 2: he will be considered the villain of the universe if
Speaker 2: he was responsible for funding and creating this virus. That
Speaker 2: was that was now got the world in panic. So
Speaker 2: his so Plan A was to was to bury the
Speaker 2: fatalities within a bad flu year. Plan B was to
Speaker 2: lock down the country, create all sorts of chaos, censorship, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, mitigate according to the the plans of the
Speaker 2: craziest person you can believe, like Bill Gates, and then
Speaker 2: wait for the shot. So the shot was his way
Speaker 2: to convert his infamy into valor. And so he had
Speaker 2: everything in that basket. He arrested everything on that So
Speaker 2: when people started coming to him and said, look, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you cannot outrun the mutations of a respiratory virus. It's
Speaker 2: not going to work, he had to put his fingers
Speaker 2: in his ears and pretend like he wasn't hearing it.
Speaker 2: So he tried to delay in demensity. That's what flattening
Speaker 2: in the curve means. It means we're going to prolong
Speaker 2: the pain as long as possible. We're going to keep
Speaker 2: you from gaining natural immunities to this virus, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to get a shot out there and then damn,
Speaker 2: it is going to work. And I don't care what
Speaker 2: you say, so he wouldn't listen to anybody tell him
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to work. He thought, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll generate studies as we usually do, with fake data,
Speaker 2: fake causal inferences, and convince the public of the shots
Speaker 2: of magic, when in fact they are useless, as he
Speaker 2: was told. But he had no plans. Ce essentially that
Speaker 2: was the problem. So that's why he leans so heavily
Speaker 2: into the shots. And the idea is if he can
Speaker 2: vaccinate as much as eighty or ninety percent of the population,
Speaker 2: the pandemic goes away, as they all do, and then
Speaker 2: he would manipulate the data and claim credit for having
Speaker 2: saved everybody in the planet so he can convert his
Speaker 2: villainy into valor through these shots and these shots alone.
Speaker 2: And as for the impact on kids, the resulting injuries
Speaker 2: and death, the complete calamity that the spike protein caused,
Speaker 2: the health of the population, he just didn't carry. He
Speaker 2: cared only about one thing, and that was Anthony Fauciine's
Speaker 2: reputed This comes through very clearly in the diaries because
Speaker 2: he spends I don't know, probably thirty forty of the
Speaker 2: text talking about all the celebrities he's called, celebrity endorsements
Speaker 2: he's collected, and the awards he's getting. He wanted to
Speaker 2: make himself invulnerable, fool proof to criticism, make it impossible
Speaker 2: for anybody in power to turn on him, so that
Speaker 2: he was running a sort of a machinery of influencer
Speaker 2: protection from the very early stages of this thing, all
Speaker 2: the way to the last until Rand Paul and many
Speaker 2: others were onto him. Up to that time, he was
Speaker 2: able to dismiss me and other critics and the great
Speaker 2: branch and declaration epidemiologists and everybody has cranks and fools
Speaker 2: and get the national media to censor these people. At
Speaker 2: some point in twenty twenty two, his luck ran out
Speaker 2: and he became grossly He became very unpopular, and when
Speaker 2: the ruling class started blaming him for the low uptake
Speaker 2: of the boosters and the decline and exceptions of his product,
Speaker 2: then he got the worst result that anybody in a
Speaker 2: sales job would have received, which is sort of bad numbers, right.
Speaker 2: So at some point he was told to shut up
Speaker 2: because he's actually diminishing a shot uptake, that his reputation
Speaker 2: had declined to the point that he had to go,
Speaker 2: if only to save the industry that he himself created.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey, It's not to set fauci aside, but there is something.
Speaker 3: As ang as were on.
Speaker 1: The subject of the shots and the timing in January,
Speaker 1: those of us who were complete nerds about this, like
Speaker 1: you and me, will remember that the shot itself, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump Operation warp Speed one of the worst freaking things ever.
Speaker 1: But be that as it may grease the skids to
Speaker 1: get this thing on the market. But Big Pharma held
Speaker 1: it back, held it back from the big announcement until
Speaker 1: about five minutes after Donald Trump lost the election.
Speaker 2: Why this was for entirely political reasons. Fauci recognized pretty
Speaker 2: early on that his claim to media fame was to
Speaker 2: serve as a kind of wink wink, nudge nudge. I'm
Speaker 2: a foil to Trump. If you hate Trump, you should
Speaker 2: love me. If you love me, celebrate me. Make baseball cards,
Speaker 2: make bibbleheads, make cupcakes out of my image, put me
Speaker 2: on all your shows. That's your way of going after Trump.
Speaker 2: So it was a kind of a just a very
Speaker 2: stupid political ploy who was involved in media played along,
Speaker 2: and he play and he knew exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 2: This is why he would visibly signal the stain for
Speaker 2: Trump behind his back. He was dealing with the media
Speaker 2: in a kind of surreptitious way. He would call all
Speaker 2: these top reporters and tell them he can't stand Trump.
Speaker 2: Trump's monastery is an enemy, but if they celebrate him,
Speaker 2: then he'll continue to drive the economy into the ground,
Speaker 2: destroy everybody's lives, keep everybody in panic, closed downtowns and
Speaker 2: shut schools, and create the conditions that will allow for
Speaker 2: Brilin ballots, which were authorized in March twelfth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: right in the thick of everything, and so that we
Speaker 2: would use COVID, he Facci and together with the media
Speaker 2: that hated Trump to to guarantee that he would lose
Speaker 2: the election. The only thing that might have changed that
Speaker 2: calculation would have been an early release of the shots,
Speaker 2: for which trumperud get credits. So they were delayed and delayed,
Speaker 2: and Fauci intervened even one time and sent U. Pfizer
Speaker 2: back to true trials based on the bogus reason that
Speaker 2: they were insufficiently racially diverse, just to just yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a true story, just to delay the shots into half
Speaker 2: the elections. So they had it all sewn up. And
Speaker 2: and Fauci was cheered by the media that that that
Speaker 2: hated Trump and and and feared what Trump stood for,
Speaker 2: which is a kind of a populist revolution. Jesse I,
Speaker 2: I there there is there. There was always a political
Speaker 2: element to this, because the fingerprints are all over it.
Speaker 2: Trump did the unprecedented thing two years prior, you recall,
Speaker 2: in firing James Comy. Now the FBI is supposed to
Speaker 2: be invulnerable to any kind of political intervention. The FBI
Speaker 2: is supposed to be above it all the people aren't
Speaker 2: supposed to have any control over it. Trump arrived in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen thinking of himself.
Speaker 3: As the CEO, and.
Speaker 2: Gradually got the sense that there was a government within
Speaker 2: the government. He was ostensibly president, but he actually wasn't
Speaker 2: in charge, and he was determined to take charge. Well,
Speaker 2: the FBI kicked off an investigation of him as a
Speaker 2: possible Russian agent, right, And when he got into this,
Speaker 2: he just went after call me and said that you're
Speaker 2: an idiot. When she fired but the job of firing
Speaker 2: him fell to a Justice Department employee, an old time
Speaker 2: bureaucrat who is otherwise quiet, named Rod Rosenstein. And so
Speaker 2: he had to write the letter to firing Komi. So
Speaker 2: that's sort of what kicked off the COVID thing. His
Speaker 2: sister worked for the CDC. Her name is Nancy Messier,
Speaker 2: and and it was she who on February twenty fourth,
Speaker 2: of all of all times, gathered all the national media,
Speaker 2: the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Writer's Bloomberg,
Speaker 2: everybody and said, this virus is very bad. We are
Speaker 2: going to lock down the country. We're going to close
Speaker 2: the school's close the businesses, and it's the only way
Speaker 2: to mitigate against this, this terrible thing. Now, she did
Speaker 2: this without ever checking in with the White House. She
Speaker 2: never asked Trump much less anybody else in the White
Speaker 2: House except for a few people within the National Security
Speaker 2: Security Council who were who were working with her on this,
Speaker 2: on this grand plot. And that's what they whipped They
Speaker 2: whipped up in the media and a complete frenzy. By
Speaker 2: four days later, it was it.
Speaker 3: Was a done deal.
Speaker 2: Every media out was screaming about the deadly virus that
Speaker 2: was in our midst and how we are going to
Speaker 2: be all should just panic and stay home and start
Speaker 2: spraying out groceries. Now, keep in mind the White House
Speaker 2: wasn't involved at any level at this point, but so
Speaker 2: things were already wildly out of his control. So by
Speaker 2: the time they got to Trump himself, it was it
Speaker 2: was a little more than a week later, it was
Speaker 2: March ninth, and they had a full court press of
Speaker 2: people he trusted. So people told him that Fauci is
Speaker 2: a great guy. He needs to trust Fauci. Fauci knows
Speaker 2: what it's about. He's not partisan, He's just a pure scientist.
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson of all people, was manipulated into going to
Speaker 2: Trump and whispering in his ear. He was talked to
Speaker 2: by a guy by the name of I can't prove this,
Speaker 2: but I'm almost certain of his name is Matt Poder
Speaker 2: who he's one of these guys who was a kind
Speaker 2: of China Hawk and trusted within conservative circles. He got
Speaker 2: to Tuck Cross and Tuck Cross and got to Fauci
Speaker 2: and then ever, the omni present Jared Kushner was there too,
Speaker 2: with his friends in the tech biotech industry, data industry,
Speaker 2: who assured the president locking down the country was the
Speaker 2: way to go. And there's one more piece of the puzzle,
Speaker 2: namely the vice president. So Pence was all over it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: miss President, you got a locked down the country. So
Speaker 2: he was completely outnumbered by everybody around him, and of
Speaker 2: course Fauci and Burghs were all over the place, so
Speaker 2: he didn't know anybody who had any doubts about this,
Speaker 2: and he greenlighted it on March the tenth, and that's
Speaker 2: when the mail in ballots were authorized. That's when the
Speaker 2: emergency came along. That's when the prep Pact was invoked.
Speaker 2: On March thirteenth, and then then he gave his catastrop
Speaker 2: of a press conference on March sixteenth, in which he
Speaker 2: didn't entirely know what the press conference was about, other
Speaker 2: than to say, don't worry about it. We're going to
Speaker 2: do our best of this virus. We've got the best people.
Speaker 2: And it was Fauci at that press conference who rocked
Speaker 2: up to the microphone and read from a sheet that
Speaker 2: said you have to close your bars and restaurants and
Speaker 2: schools and not gather with anybody that within six six feet,
Speaker 2: so that which had effect closed the churches too, So
Speaker 2: he did this at the press conference. At that press conference,
Speaker 2: there's a weird thing that happened. While Fauchi was reading
Speaker 2: the sentence to which Trump would surely object, somebody in
Speaker 2: the audience got Trump's attention, and Trump wasn't actually listening.
Speaker 2: He was saying hi to somebody in the audience, and
Speaker 2: the sentence and ended. Trump got re engaged, got back
Speaker 2: up to the microphone, started taking questions. So that's how
Speaker 2: that fell out. Now, it was less than a month
Speaker 2: later that he realized what was going on. It was
Speaker 2: March twenty third. We know this from Fauci's notebooks. Towards
Speaker 2: an autobiography that we're calling the Diaries. March twenty third,
Speaker 2: Trump called in Deborah Buggs into his office and said,
Speaker 2: you and doctor Fauci have betrayed me. You've lied to me.
Speaker 2: You're destroying the country. Everything you said was wrong. You
Speaker 2: gave terrible advice. I never want to hear from you again,
Speaker 2: your horrible people for what you've done to me and
Speaker 2: to the country. That was April twenty third, So from
Speaker 2: that point on, Trump is ready to clean house. But
Speaker 2: then it became very difficult because that's when the media
Speaker 2: celebrations of Fauci kicked up, and the plot was to
Speaker 2: make him essentially unfine, firable, invulnerable, indispensable to the nation's response.
Speaker 2: So Trump was in many ways sort of trapped, and
Speaker 2: it took him a long time before he thought his
Speaker 2: way out of this trap. It was all the way
Speaker 2: until August when he finally tapped somebody with a different
Speaker 2: point of view, and that was of course, Scott Alice.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey, thank you for keeping this on. But it's really
Speaker 1: really important that we never forget. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1: All right, final thoughts next, I'm glad we just got
Speaker 1: to talk to Jeffrey Tucker, because it drives home the
Speaker 1: fact how much these people are simply destroyers and how
Speaker 1: nefarious they are about destruction. It's what communists do, it's
Speaker 1: what democrats do, and they do it on purpose, and
Speaker 1: they don't care that it's hurting people, hurting kids, killing people,
Speaker 1: that it never crosses their mind. So don't, ever, under
Speaker 1: any circumstances let any of these people reimagine anything for you. Ever,
Speaker 1: they do not have your best interest at heart. We'll
Speaker 1: do it again.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm