1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios, How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: to our are behind the scenes mini Casual Friday. I'm 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Holly Fry and I'm Tracy P. Wilson. And this week 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: we talked about someone who designed some of my favorite 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: places on the planet, Andre N. Yeah, you have been. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean we said this in the episode, but you 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: mentioned that you were working on this as soon as 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: we got back from Paris. And for the first for 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: the first several weeks after that, I would get your 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: outline and it would be something else. And at first 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: I was like, what happens to adult? And then I 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: was like, she'll, She'll get through it. It's gonna happen someday. Well, 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: I kept ordering books and like it's one of those 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: things that because he did so much one it's hard 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: to like really figure out what you have to include 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: and what you can cut for time. Like, we talked 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: a lot about his work, and we didn't cover so 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: many things that he did that I'm sure other people 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: are like, why did you not talk about this? It's 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: my favorite because he was so prolific. Uh. And also 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: just like in some ways it felt very self indulgent 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: because it is a two parter about something that I 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: love so much, and that is so much about aesthetics 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: and beauty, and we only briefly touched on like the 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: moral implications of France spending that much money to create, uh, 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: in particular like the gardens that he created for the crown, 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: and also like the cost of human lives that were 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: involved in in works like this. Um So because that 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: opens up like a whole other I mean, that becomes 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: a whole other show on its own, talking about like 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: why Louis the fourteenth was so willing to spend so 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: lavishly and to us often I think looks very very 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: um irresponsible. To him, he had it in his mind. 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is correct, but Louis the fourteenth 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: perspective was that one he really did have a conscious 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: decision at one point to make France exactly what it 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: has come to be known as today, which is like 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: where design and style come from, like the absolute top 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: tier design and aesthetics would all be part of French 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: cultural identity. And so he was in from one end, 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: like really really um promoting that idea, like he wanted 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: textiles to be um, the best textiles to come from France. 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: He wanted the best architects to come from France. He 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: wanted the best painters to come from France. Like that 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: was part of it. But another thing was that his ideology, 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: and again this is a little divorced from reality, was 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: that for France to be prosperous, France had to look prosperous. 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Um that's kind of a very simplified version, but like 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: he felt, like, you know, if he had visiting dignity, dignitaries, 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: they had to see the most lush, beautiful, stylish, expensive everything, 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: so that they could appreciate not only that France had style, 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: but that France was secure enough to be able to 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: afford such things, and so that would make them willing 55 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: to work with France, and therefore that would um, you know, 56 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: propagate more wealth and income. There are big questions about 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: the security of France and like Louis the fourteenth really 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: love to wage war, and whether or not he was 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: also uh, you know, kind of just doing all of 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: this as an ego thing. All things that get debated forever. 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: But it is interesting, I mean, we it is the 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: precursor of what leads up to the mess of Louis 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: the sixteenth and Marie Antoinette and like, at that point 64 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: they are so divorced from the common man, and how 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: badly some people are living while they literally just like 66 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: have everything done for them and and have the best 67 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: of everything. The it's I mean, that's part of my 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: fascination with seventeen through nineteenth century Frances, like watching that 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: transition of the ideology. I think it's interesting. I don't 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: think it's sound, but it's interesting, Like we have to 71 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: look amazing, you know. It's kind of like fake it 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: till you make it on an epic and very expensive scale, 73 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: and then how that gets to the point where the 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: faking it part becomes everything and there's no actual substance 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: behind it and you're broke as a joke. Well when 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: it also reminds me of how, in a much much 77 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: more reduced scale, when our offices moved from a part 78 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: of Atlanta that was mostly like a financial district with 79 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: hotels and businesses and things like that into like a 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: more quirky space with uh an old building that was 81 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: being like revitalized into this multi use space. There was 82 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: this whole argument about UH, like what people's perception of 83 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: our our work was depends thing on whether we were 84 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: surrounded by a bunch of bankers or whether we were 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: surrounded by like this new newly redone multi use building 86 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: with a lot more variety. And it it's like the 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: weirdness of optics of what your place is and how 88 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: people see you because of that place. Yeah, yeah, I 89 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: mean it. It is the kind of thing that people 90 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: think about or that they don't always think about. Like 91 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: there are subconscious judgments that we make all the time 92 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: based on how we see someone spending money, living their life, etcetera. 93 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: We're not I mean, we're so unconscious of it. It's 94 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: one of those things. I try to be actively conscious 95 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: and go, wait, wait, wait, I can't presume this person 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: is X, Y or Z because they are like that, 97 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: this person is smart because they're wearing a Richard Tyler suit, 98 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: because maybe they're just an idiot who inherited money I 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: don't know, or maybe they are really smart and they're 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: self made and that you know, you can't make those judgments, 101 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: but we're doing it all the time subconsciously. Um yeah, 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: becomes a very weird thing. There's also that thing for me. 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I I love the visual arts. Obviously, I 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: talked about it on the show all the time. I 105 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: always want to talk about painters and sculptors and and 106 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: people who design things. But there is that weird moment 107 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: where kind of just what I was talking about before, 108 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: where the artifice becomes the identity of someone and like 109 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: this sort of artificial life that they've put together starts 110 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: to be like they believe their own hype of it, 111 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: and then they're in a very dangerous place with like 112 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: they're on the marshes with no solid footing, do not 113 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: have lenotre to build a solid foundation under them? Uh yeah, 114 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean but the flip too, right is that for me? 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not the same for everyone, but for me, 116 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: and I know for other people that I have talked 117 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: to you, Like when you are in some of these 118 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: spaces that Leno created at great expense, it is moving 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: in a way that is hard to quantify or describe. 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean admittedly, like because I love this era of 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: French history and I love art, Like when we walked 122 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: to the side of Versailles and we saw the Orangerie, 123 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: I just started bawling, like it's so beautiful that it's 124 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: very moving. If I had it to do over. I 125 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: could have spent all the time that we were in 126 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: Versailles just in the gardens me too. I mean part 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of that is we had the sort of weird good 128 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: fortune of it being a drizzly day when we got there, 129 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: and so we did the gardens first, and no one 130 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: was out there because of the rain. And it wasn't 131 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: heavy rain, but it was enough that that people were 132 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: worried it would get worse, and so they stayed out 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: of the gardens. Yeah, we just got sprinkled on a 134 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah. And then inside, when you visit Versailles, 135 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: it is not like a soothing, leisurely experience. You are 136 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: hustled through rooms and there are thousands of people with 137 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: you at every second. Yeah, it's not an intimate feeling. 138 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: I had heard that it was very crowded, and I 139 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: was not prepared for the fact that, like you're really 140 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with the people around you, shuffling three 141 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: cattle shoot style. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that's part 142 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: of it, right, Like in the gardens you have a 143 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: little more freedom to move about and experience it on 144 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: your own time, in your own way, and it's not 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: that like, all right, next grow Like there's none of 146 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: that going on, so you can kind of stumble into 147 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: these groves and be like, what have I found? And 148 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of that sense of of 149 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: exploration and discovery that makes them magic in a whole 150 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: different way, even though like, oh, I could look at 151 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: all that sculpture and painting in the palace forever, but 152 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: you don't get the luxury experience what feels very luxurious 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: of just being able to do it on your own time. 154 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: It's also fascinating because I remember at one point I 155 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: saw you and Patrick take off down the Grand Canal 156 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: like or down the um that promenade, and like in seconds, 157 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: it looked like you were three miles away. Yeah, Like 158 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: it was a very talking about his use of perspective, 159 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: I think can never do it justice too when you 160 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: see it, and I'm like, I mean, you and Patrick 161 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: walked quickly, but I was like, they did not cover 162 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: three miles in but it looks like you're in another 163 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: country practically. Yeah, And when you go into those little groves, 164 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: it really is like you have wandered into a totally 165 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: separate place that is isolated from the rest of the guarden. 166 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Like you you can feel like you have just wandered 167 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: into like a secluded thing. Yeah, they feel very private, Yeah, 168 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: a little part of this big, big garden. Yeah, it 169 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: was very very fun. That happened about halfway through our trip, uh. 170 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: And I remember there were a few times that like 171 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: I got to know other people in our big group 172 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: better because they would like pop out from a path 173 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: and be like, you gotta come over here, and like 174 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: they wanted to show me a grove that they had 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: found that was, you know, like a spectacular fountain with music. 176 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about the music of Versailles because 177 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: now when you go there is is music piped into 178 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: all of these groves. Those were always intended to be musical. 179 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: It was just that when Louis fourteen would go visit 180 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: them and subsequent monarchs, uh, they would have musicians playing 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: live to go with the fountains instead of the piped 182 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: in music that we hear today. That's a whole other 183 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: level of like sense engagement that happens at Versailles that 184 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: is difficult to explain, Like what that kind of death. 185 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: It's like such a delight and a beautiful thing, and 186 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: you sort of feel like a child in that you're 187 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: experiencing something that is simple but beautiful. It's water flying 188 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: through the air to music, and yet it just brings 189 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: such joy. It's a it's a fascinating thing. Um. So yeah, 190 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: that's these These are the things we think of when 191 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: I debate the value of all of the x bens 192 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: of creating such a lavish and self indulgent thing. But also, 193 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: holy Moses, we have some art that is indescribably beautiful 194 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: as a consequence. Yeah. Um. I also imagine that based 195 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: on what we know of our listeners, we very frequently 196 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: after we've done an episode on something, get requests about 197 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: another similar thing. So I'm imagining we will hear from 198 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: folks asking us to talk about Lancelot capability Brown to 199 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: design English landscape gardens, which are very, very different from 200 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: the formal French gardens. So if folks are getting the 201 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: keyboard ready, He's actually been on my list for a 202 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: while thanks to m our coworker Christopher who who pitched 203 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: him to us some years ago. Now I feel like, yeah, 204 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: there is also a whole interesting thing. If you look 205 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: at um Marie Antoinette's era, she had a portion of 206 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: the grounds of Versailles changed completely over from that very 207 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: formal French garden to like a little hamlet that was 208 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: much more natural and did not have all of the 209 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: manicuring and stuff. And that's a whole other thing to 210 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: be discussed, like again, the artifice of like I'm going 211 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: to make a fake farm and I will feel like 212 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: a farmer. But it's kind of like the equivalent of, 213 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, an amusement park, because she's not really farming. 214 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: She just wanted to wear a pretty dress and read 215 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: rousso and talk about engaging with the natural world. Um. 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: And we didn't even get into the Triennal's, uh, the 217 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: Grand Triennal, which was Louis the fourteenth's kind of get 218 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: away from the palace at at Versailles. And then Petit Leonel, 219 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: which was originally built from Madame d'a pompadour and then 220 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: later was given to Mariantoinette by her husband and is 221 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: a smaller getaway there on the grounds. There is a 222 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: lot going on at versus Um and the gardens are 223 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: all very beautiful at all of them. Highly recommended if 224 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: someone has the opportunity to go take it. Uh, it's 225 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: one of those things I want to go back to. 226 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: I loved our our tour group, and I thought that 227 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: was an amazing experience. But I would love to go 228 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: just by myself with no no itinerary and literally I 229 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: think I can wander those gardens for eight hours straight. Yeah, 230 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: I agree. Uh, and there's a little cafe in there now, 231 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: so you can you can be fed while you wander 232 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: for eight hour straight. Anyway, thank you for everyone for 233 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: listening to my self Indulgent two partner on Andre Lindos. 234 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of 235 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts for 236 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 237 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.