WEBVTT - Pure w/ Karen Kilgariff 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies these episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.320 These are our stories. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:30.880 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, a 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.080 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.159 I'm Kara and I am Lisa, and it is. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:41.760 Our one year anniversary. We're so excited we are. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.959 And in this podcast if you just decided to join 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.960 us today because we're on everyone's Spotify top five lists, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.000 we talk about an episode of SVU and then the 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.240 true crime it's based on, and then we interview a 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.480 guest from the episode. Today is an extra special twist 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.680 on the classic and we're just so grateful for all 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.840 of you, and it's truly like mind boggling. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.280 I don't know. Yes, I meant to post on Thanksgiving. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.360 I know it's been Thanksgivings now like a week gone 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.920 by or so, but like I meant to post being like, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.120 we're so thankful for all of you. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.080 So I'll just say it here. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.679 We are really thankful, like you guys all sharing your 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.319 the number of minutes that you guys have been watching 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.520 dedicating to this, Like I mean somebody said to the 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.760 screenshot that said twenty one thousand minutes of listening to us, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.840 and I was like, I don't think my mom has 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.399 listened to me that much in my life, but you know, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:30.800 it's just really awesome. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.560 Well yeah, and usually whenever I guess on other podcasts, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.959 it's like this bitch is so annoying, her voice sucks, 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.680 and so it is. It's a nice it's a nice 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.600 flip flop of like, these people are just listening to 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.759 our soothing voices. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.240 So that's pretty exciting and I'm just not used to it. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:46.560 You know. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.559 San Francisco is very, very fun, and I was talking 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.280 about how people were just so fucking excited to see me, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.520 and our friend Lauren was like, it's like you're complaining 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.880 about being too skinny, and I'm like, no, I'm not complaining. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.160 This is just a whole new world, do you know 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:58.560 what I mean? 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.920 Like, usually I just for people who got free tickets, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.160 and now people were truly heckling me, yelling Rosie. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.359 I was trying to do a joke and people just 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.000 started going Rosie like from all. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.359 Over the room at the punchline, and I was like, yeah, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.280 we love Rosie, but you did ruin my joke and 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.120 I look at Yeah, but we love Rosie Moore. No, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.760 And I didn't take a shot with one girl. She 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.240 really wanted to take a shot. I'm so sorry I 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:27.920 did not take a shot with you. I had to 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:28.600 go smoke weed. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.880 But I appreciate you and I do have the sign 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.639 that you made so thank you so much. I mean, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.840 that's the best kind of sign to be made about you. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:35.560 Please do a shot. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.080 Oh my god. And we have presents. People brought you presents. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.600 I still haven't given it to you, but we'll shout 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.959 we'll shout out the candles. Yeah, we have a lot 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.080 to talk about. Yeah, we have so much going on 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.880 weeks because obviously Thanksgiving. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.160 You know, sometimes you guys think we record the night before. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.720 You're like, make sure you add this, and it's like, yeah, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.440 like the day before, You'll be like, I hope you 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:56.080 talk about this. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.720 It's like we recorded this a while ago. Secret. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.800 So we have to go backwards. So we have to 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.120 go to your uncle's memorial. You were in New York 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.200 for forty eight hours. Yeah, so I went to New 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.440 York for forty eight hours. I went out to dinner 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.720 with my friends. They kept being like. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.640 Child free Kara, like they kept like cheersing because like 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.320 it is really fun to be in New York without 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.120 your family, Like it's super I love New York so much. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.520 And I went back for a sad occasion. My uncle 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.480 passed away in March. We were finally able to do 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.600 a memorial for him. And he's sort of like well 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.120 known in like comedy from the seventies and stuff. He 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.760 was part of National Lampoon and he worked on Spy 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.440 Magazine and all these funny things that and uh so 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.800 Number one Alec Baldwin was at the memorial, which I 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.360 was like, this is wild. And he went up to 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.920 my cousin who had just given a speech, and goes, uh, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.680 you killed And I was like, sir, I don't know 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.720 if you should be using that language quite so soon, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:51.600 But anyway, it. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:52.360 Was cool that he was. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.080 It was cool that he came to pay his respects 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:55.720 to my uncle even though he's in the middle of 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.280 a very tragic moment in his life. But also when 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.600 I first this is only gonna matter to like the 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.160 five percent of this podcast audience that watches Organized Crime, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.400 one of the first people I see when I walk 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.800 in is the fucking Albi's wife, the woman that Maloney 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.640 is banging in OC when he's undercover. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:16.320 Her. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.960 The actress is Lolita Davidovich, and she's been in tons 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.440 of stuff. She's married to Ron Shelton, who is a 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.119 director who's made like White Men Can't Jump Tin Cup, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.040 like all these iconic sports movies. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.640 And he made a movie with my uncle and that's 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.360 why he was there. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.359 And he spoke, and then I went up to his wife, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.600 like obviously after I chugged two glasses of wine right 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.159 after we got to the reception, and I was like, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.120 I gotta to talk to you. I watch I watch OC. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:40.840 You're so great. I was like, I have a lot 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.000 of order podcast. I need you to come and be 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.400 on it. You need to be on SVU. And she 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.560 was like, how would I do that because I don't 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.240 know spoilers, but like her character just got arrested. So 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.640 I was like, oh, girl, they'd bring you back. She's 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.360 like the same character. I go the girl, they'd bring 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.200 you back to somebody different, Like you could come on 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.159 as like a madam or something like you you know, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.719 don't don't get all, don't get hung up in the 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.400 continuity of it. All because lord knows, they're not over 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.920 it as for you. So I talked to her two times. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:07.960 A second time I went over when we made eye 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.680 contact and I was like, Okay, I just got to 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:10.599 ask you about making. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:11.040 Out with Malone. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.080 Yeah that, and and she goes, I mean I was 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.320 just staring at his pecks the whole time. I mean 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.320 he's huge, and I was like, girl, I mean, that's 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.760 exactly what I would be doing. But yeah, she was 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.200 super sweet and was like giving me some tea, but 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.200 I was, you know, I had had a lot of 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.200 red wine, and so I think she was just mostly 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.359 saying about the pecks and then she was just telling 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.200 me how cool he. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.760 Is star studded. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.359 And then this can't be confirmed, but oh that's what 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:36.160 we need to talk about. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.680 House of Gucci. Okay. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.400 Oh yeah, Kara, our friend Lauren and I we did 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.560 see House of Gucci. And I am ninety nine percent 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.120 sure that Billie Eilish was at the movie theater with 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.839 her family. She lives in our neighborhood. She would have 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.760 gone to this old timey theater and she was wearing 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.320 a hood and a mask. But those eyes are recognizable 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 him anywhere, and you know, We obviously did not approach 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:03.880 her in anyway. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.640 She's a teen, but I was I ran into the bathroom. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.159 It was either Billie Eilish or somebody in serious Billie 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:12.160 Eilish cosactly. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.920 And then also some people were wanting to know, did 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.359 I smoke weed with my nephew. Unfortunately he was a 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.160 little busy and preoccupied. But I did smoke weed with 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.120 his roommate, so I did. I was hanging out with 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.000 his college roommate because my nephew only wanted to hang 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.080 out with his girlfriend, who is a listener of the 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:32.039 podcast Hello Too. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.040 That's what I wanted to ask. That was my follow 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:34.599 up question. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.320 Has he made it to Thanksgiving break with his high 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:38.120 school girlfriend? 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.960 High school? Well, girlfriend from high school? Oh? 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.400 Yes, yeah she was at Thanksgiving? Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.240 that's good. That looks good. That looks good. I'm just 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.400 saying sometimes they don't make it to the holidays. That's 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.120 all I'm saying. No, I love you, girl, I hope 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.080 that you guys you and Benji forever. I'm just saying 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:52.880 they're obsessed. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:54.120 Truly. 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.080 I don't think he hung out with anyone else in 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.960 his family except for her, and so since I am 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.919 kind of alone, and then this college roommate was alone. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.480 I did have to smoke weed with his college roommate 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:08.320 multiple times. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.080 Who at least you didn't hook up with him. One 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.880 time I looked up with one of my brother's friend. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.680 I hooked up with one of my brother's friends. My 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.760 brother's nine years younger than me. I hooked up with 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.080 one of his friends on a college break when I 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.880 was out of college. They were in college, and I 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.400 was like, this is too young. I shouldn't have done that. No, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.880 that wasn't even on my mind. It was just to 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.160 make out. Just everybody knows. But still no that that 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.280 was not happening in the streets. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.240 Probably twenty and I was twenty nine. I'm not judging you, 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:35.920 but it was. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.000 It just wasn't a related I think, just like someone 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.120 in college, because when I was in my late twenties, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.680 I did hook up with someone that was twenty two. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.440 But the mom asked me to hook up with him, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.920 and I was like, Okay, your thing's weirder, dude. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.200 Of course, yeah, I think I've talked about in the pod. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.160 I was after a show and the mom's like, why 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.560 aren't you giving my son attention. He's hot and I'm like, yeah, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.720 he's fucking hot, and then she hugged us, and then 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.160 I hugged Yeah. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.400 Good adult. Oh. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.640 Also in San Francisco, I met someone who did bring 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.640 me a joint, thank you so much. And their cousin 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.720 is the Angel of Death, the nurse who is killing 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.480 people in the New England with the shots at the 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.000 VFW hospital. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.480 Oh my god, that's crazy. Yeah. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.120 Her mom was a listener of the pod and was 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.560 like hey to her daughter, like you should listen. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.720 They're talking about our murderous cousin. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.720 So but who writes some letters and cards to them 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.600 constantly for holidays and stuff. So they get mail from 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.679 prison from the Angel of dah. Wow. I'm sorry, I'm 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.040 not remembering her name. We covered too many crimes. I'm sorry. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:36.800 I'm like that was that like eight months ago? I 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.400 don't remember. It was the episode Vulnerable. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:44.040 Yes. Also today on Twitter, an actress wrote to us 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.320 and said, I was the dead girl Gloria in Scavenger, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.840 the one who was found underneath all the flowers. Whoa 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.000 she goes number one. I was seventeen, playing a thirty 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:55.520 year old single mom. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.000 I was like, wow, that's wild. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.360 She was like, I was also in like a thong 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.080 and case underneath all these flowers. And she said that 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.600 that Mariska Hargata, when she like kind of pulled the 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.320 flowers away, was like, don't worry, I won't let your 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.000 girls out or something like that. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:10.840 Well, marisch Kah, keep. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.640 Going keep And then the last thing I asked her 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.040 was I was like, did they really write on your 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:14.600 foot like that? 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.360 And she like with the riddle or was that like 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.080 a foot double? 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.720 And she was like, yeah, they did it like twice, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.600 like once in Sharpie and Munch came out and was 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.200 like making all these jokes about it. I was like, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.840 it sounds like you lived the absolute best dead body 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.480 dream of anybody on his view. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.160 I wonder if it tickled. I don't know how it 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.160 would be laughing out. I bet the writing, no, Marishka. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.520 Some people were sending us videos that, like some fans 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.760 were trying to talk to her, and she was like, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.560 I gotta call my husband, I'll be right out. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.679 And I just like loved that so much. And then in. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.800 Washington Square Park she like went up to be well, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.640 She's like, hey, can you guys just like turn down 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.240 the music because it doesn't really work with our scene, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.800 but I'll hang out with you and then everyone's like, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.080 we love her, so she is like out and about. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.920 And then one of my great friends, Jake Wilson, he's 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.959 like one of the top sex in the city fans. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.119 I would say that, I know, And they were shooting 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.679 just like that on his block. So we got to 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.400 see Miranda and Brady shooting, and I was like, if 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.000 anyone deserves this, it's fucking Jake Wilson. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.760 So wait, I'm sorry, how old would Brady be now? 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.360 Like fifteen? I think he's going to college. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:18.000 Wow. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.600 I think that was the vibe of the scene from 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.480 a distance, from an instant story. I don't know, like 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.719 I'm just making wild accusations, but that is that is 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.319 what I think. And obviously today was such an exciting 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.600 day to wait. I mean, you'll, you know, everyone's sending 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.520 us the Spotify. But it would be weird if we 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:42.520 did not touch upon fucking abortion Alice see Bolt, and 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.000 I think there was something else. There's just a lot 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.240 of horrific things, so it would be weird not to 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:47.680 touch on it. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.720 But it is our party episode, so I don't know 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:50.120 what to do. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.560 So yeah, I would direct people to shout your abortion 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.960 Jane's d process is specifically Texas, but they have other 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.160 information and it's just like, you know, it's like abortions 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.000 are still gonna happen. People just keep actively. Conservatives think 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.439 that like they're gonna stop abortions from happening. They're so good, No, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.880 they don't care happen safely. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.000 They actually don't care about abortion. Politicians do not care. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.640 They are doing this for their psychotic fan bases and 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.760 they know it's not gonna stop abortion well, and they. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.280 Don't care even the people, even the people, okay, the 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.200 fan base that ye like if they they think that 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.839 all these babies are gonna like sprout wings and be 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.040 angels living among us, and it's just like that's not 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:28.680 what's happening. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.000 People are still gonna get abortions. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.120 They're just gonna be doing it with pills they get 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.240 off the internet that might not be approved, and like, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.800 you know, it's just not gonna be safe, and so 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.439 you're really just creating like a healthcare crisis for women. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.640 And a lot of those the comments I was seeing 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.440 online that I agree with was just like how flippant 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.840 they're talking about how like just give it up for adoption. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:48.400 Just do it. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.560 And it's like, pregnancy sucks and it is a hard thing. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:56.480 Labor is an intense thing. Stop forcing women to I 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.960 mean for slabor, Are you fucking kidding me? 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.720 Yeah, no, pregnancy, force labor. It's all. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.800 You shouldn't want anything to be born to somebody that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.480 doesn't want it. You shouldn't want that. So that's women 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.800 should have this option, and we will. We will continue 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.040 to have this option. It's just going to be terrible 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.240 when people have to travel to you know, better states 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.280 or I. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.520 Mean, there's an SVU episode I forgot what it's called 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.040 where the girl like kept punching herself and doing all 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.160 this stuff because she went to the fake abortion clinic 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.520 that was tricking her. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:26.880 I actually just watched that. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:31.040 One this week, but maybe well we'll leave lovely Bones 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:31.640 for next week. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:32.840 Yeah, it's enough. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:37.120 But I also went to aw Thanksgiving wrestling match in 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:42.360 Chicago to watch my friend Cult Cabana, and it was incredible. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.080 I don't know, it's just like, I mean, he's been 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.079 wrestling for over twenty years and probably since he was 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.880 a kid, you know too, Like he's just loved it 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.160 his whole life and This was the biggest match of 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.439 his career, and to be able to be there was 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.480 really special. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.640 I love how you compare it to drag because I've 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.000 never really been into wrestling, but I'm so into drag 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.079 and I feel like, now that I know how similar 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.080 they are, I really need to go, like see Russell. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.320 Oh yeah, I think I would like get the pageantry. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:06.360 Yes, next time we're here. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.160 Yeah, because I brought my friend Veronica is a big 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.680 Drag Race fan, and she kept being like, oh my god, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.920 so much acting. Oh, there's pyrotechnics. There's a guy in 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.720 full velvet and glitter. They're naked, they're oiled, they're sexy. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.319 I mean some of these guys are very fucking hot, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.400 and you know, they're doing bat clips and they're good guys, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.719 bad guys, and they're like pretending to get her and 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:27.080 they're not. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.480 They are hurt, it's just in a different hurt way. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.520 But and you hear the slaps. I mean, it was 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.240 just incredible. Ten thousand people in Chicago and it was 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.280 just like, yeah, very exciting. I don't know, I wish 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.319 I had more deets. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.720 We had a big couple of weeks, you and me, we. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.839 Did we did. It was funny yesterday. I was like, 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.680 I'm so tired, and you were like, yeah, I believe. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.760 I believe. Yeah. I was like, that's not weird. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.880 You have been into two cities in five minutes each, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.600 like you know, like it's really like you live a 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:55.400 hectic life. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:56.439 Jet said yeah. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.360 Oh, and I read the line where it's the Lord, 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.840 the whatever, it's the Catholic Cross thing with the house. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.079 Father's son and the Holy Ghost. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.000 Oh, that was improvised by Lady Gaga in the House 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.360 of Gucci. That was improvised, girl. You know, I don't 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.000 know what line you're talking about. I fell asleep for 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:10.800 so much of that movie. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.400 But it's in the car. Yeah, the what is it? 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.559 The God? Lord? What is the Why don't I know what? 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:15.000 This is? 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.120 God's Son in the and the House of Gucci. She 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:17.760 improvised it. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.040 Oh, she says, Father's son in the House of Gucci. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.960 You've never seen this, no, I girl, I went to Okay, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.880 everyone should know that we went to this movie together. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.040 I got too high and I fell asleep for large 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.440 chunks of it, so I do not know what happens. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.640 I was trying to read recaps of it yesterday and 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.760 I was like, I didn't even know that. I didn't 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.720 even I don't remember Jared Leto being in the movie. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.800 Well he was also in prosthetics, and I don't know 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.800 if you heard, but he was like my friend was 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.960 selling yesterday that he did an interview where he was like, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.120 my blood was olive oil, my heart was Marinera, and 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.560 like went on this tirade about how he became Italian 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.000 but only using like Italian snacks, Like I don't know 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.560 it was. I really don't like him, and I have 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.560 a fantasy I really want to meet him and pretend 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.080 I don't know who he is because I think he 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:00.000 would get really upset. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.720 I think that's so funny. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.720 Wasn't Jared Letto like on a silent retreat when COVID 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.360 happened and he like came out and was like, what 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:07.280 the fuck is going on? 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.200 That track? So hard for me. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.400 But I will say also with House of Gucci, the 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.920 accents took me out of it, but I. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.920 Am gonna watch it again. Yeah, it's camp, it's drag. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.120 You know it's camp. Baby give us the Thanksgiving Tree. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.440 Well, all the reviews are saying that even if you 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.800 don't like it, Gaga is worth it, like she's great 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:26.000 in it. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.040 Yeah, yeah, I mean not everything has to be the 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.400 best thing you've ever seen. That's another thing where it's 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.880 like this sucks, this is amazing. Some things are just 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.400 a great time, you know what I mean. Like, it 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.280 doesn't have to be a fucking five star Oscar movie. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.960 I don't care well, speaking of a great time, the 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.080 rest of this episode is gonna fucking knock out. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.080 Oh, it's a great episode. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.960 I've got a great episode and a great guest, So 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:54.080 don't go anywhere, all right. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.480 So we're at season six, episode eighteen, a horrific classic. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.320 I would say one of the best twists. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.520 I think I've maybe seen this one the most of 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:05.360 any episode. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.040 I've just seen it so many times. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.800 Not me, I actually haven't seen it enough where Throughout 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.640 the episode, I kept being like, like, even in my notes, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:13.760 I'm like, this happened. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.040 Never mind, it's changed. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.280 Like I kept being surprised by this episode. There's like 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.080 so much fun. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.440 There's a part where Martin Short uses a weird word 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:24.400 and I knew. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:24.920 Before he said it. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.560 I was like, he's about to say this weird word, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.600 like I don't want to say in case you're making 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.920 a Yeah, maybe, I hope you know where it is. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.800 I wonder I'm trying to like, do I remember if 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.520 there was a weird word. I know exactly where it is. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:35.160 I'll bring it up. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.320 But yeah, this is kind of like Nardi Lee where 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.080 it's like, this is the Martin short episode. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.120 Do we need to call it pure? I don't know, right, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:42.720 Marty's here. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.760 So it starts off with a blonde, long haired girl 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.840 and she's wearing a lavender silk dress. Obviously reminds me 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:54.400 of our Jessica mcclint talk Fever dream that we've created. Yeah, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.360 it's really in. Yeah, it was incredible how many people 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.920 were connected by this woman. And I wish we got 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.200 to tell her before she died. But anyways, Yeah, so 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.879 you know, lavender silk. She's obviously going to a dance, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.920 and she has tears in her eyes and then we hear, oh, Chloe, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.360 calm down, you're gonna be fine. So few if she's 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.439 not crying, because you know, she's being twirled in a 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.120 taken situation to be bid on by people just her 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.000 mom hemming the dress. So that is amazing, But why 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.080 are you saving the hemming till the last minute. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.560 This is not good. Yeah, that's weird. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.000 And also like your boyfriend's are gonna break up with 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.520 you because you're not ready for a dance. She's very 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.320 stressed out, but I guess that's like teenings or whatever. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.320 Yeah, so her mother's having the dress, the date's gonna 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.359 be there any second, and it is her first dance. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.560 And I do have pictures from my turnabout dance in 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.080 high school where you could tell I was hysterically crying, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.479 like I, oh, are you confused about turnabouts? Like when 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:52.280 the girls ask. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.520 The boys, oh a Sadie Hawkins, Yeah, but we call 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.199 it turnabout and so but I just went with a 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.639 group of girls, but none of the outfits were working, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.199 and I was having mental breakdowns and I was just like, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.280 and all the photos are my friends looking normal? And 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:13.119 then I have full red eyes and like, I understand 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:13.639 this girl. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.960 I was crying, Okay, yeah, yeah, I totally get. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.200 I get the stress of like everything looks terrible, but 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:22.280 she just seems. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.720 So worried about her boyfriend. I was like, he doesn't 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.240 matter that much, but yeah. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.280 And then we went to Hula Hans I remember and 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.520 the post that was too spicy, but I didn't want 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:30.359 to send it back. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.199 I had a rough turn about, a rough turn about. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.400 And she also has lavender eye shadow, which is very 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.199 Season six energy. What is that two thousand and seven? Like, uh, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.080 it's very that. So the phone rings and the girls 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.040 like get it, get it, it's my date, and the mom's. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.480 Like, chill out, bitch, like play it cool. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.680 The machine will pick up, you know, play the game, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.920 and uh oh, the machine does pick up, but it's 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.040 like a deep, deep, dark voice, and the voice on 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.760 the machine goes, your daughter is such a hot piece 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.000 of ass, best sex I ever had. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.680 She's a screamer. Did you know? That made me crazy? 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.640 So that's not good. That's not good. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.720 And the mom is like, if you're a this is 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.679 your friends, I'm gonna kill them. This isn't funny. And 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.679 she's like maybe it's one of Kaylee's dumb friends. Go 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.199 fuck yourself. And then it Dawn's on the mom like 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.560 where is your sister? I haven't seen her in a while. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.639 So the mom calls Kaylee and it is not good. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.520 Basically it's Kaylee. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.040 She's taped like, she has masking tape on her mouth, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.320 A gloved hand is holding her silver flip phone up, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.680 and so the mom can hear the daughter being tied 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.760 up and taped and like you know, making noises and 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.160 the phone and so obviously there's trouble. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.119 And then the voice that we heard earlier goes, Kaylee 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.720 can't come to the phone. She's tied up right now. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.840 I don't like when these killers are trying to do 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.480 puns and little riddles. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.800 I don't like that. So then that's the credits. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.040 We enter the credits while Kaylee is thrashing and crying, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.919 so not good. So then we come back from the credits. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.520 We're at the precinct. It's a very casual dress day. Okay, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.280 it's probably the weekend or a friday, Like, I don't 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.199 think they were planning on working, because I've never seen 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.280 Craigan not in a suit coat ever, and he's just 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.160 wearing like a dressed shirt with like the top buttons 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.440 on button and Stabler's wearing a T shirt and a flannel. 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.280 Ice is in all blacks, so with a chain like 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.320 this is an off day, okay, this is They are not. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.960 They did not plan to come to work. So the 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.560 mom's been calling every ten minutes and they're annoyed by her, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.760 but what else is she supposed to do? Her child 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.440 is missing and she heard her thrashing, so yeah, I 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.399 would be calling SVU pretty often too. So they're like, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.919 who's the last person to see her? A clerk at 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.560 the county courthouse. She's a bike messenger for a law 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:52.199 firm where Langham works, so Trevor Langen aka mister hargat Day, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.000 mister Benson whatever. So she's working for a defense attorney. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.440 So that's kind of exciting. So the boys are chatting, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.399 they're trying to the case when the phone rings and 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.560 it's Olivia, and Olivia's like, turn on the TV. They 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.160 cut to Olivia and she's with Trevor and the mom 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.960 and of missing Kayley, and they're doing like up, there's 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.159 gonna be a press conference, and they're arguing about it 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.800 in a walk and talk at the law offices, and 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.119 Olivia is trying to convince them like, please do not 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:19.320 do this press conference. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.680 We have to control the information. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.000 And Trevor's like, there is no information, so that'll be easy, 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.960 your fucking dead beats, and the mom's like, listen, she's 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:28.159 been missing sixteen hours. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:28.960 You haven't done anything. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.080 I have to tell the public, and I'm on the 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.679 Mom and Trevor's side here, like you guys have no information. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.880 I'm I'm going to the public like I'm on their side. 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.160 I'm not on team Benson here. 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:41.640 How are Yeah? 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.840 I wonder why they're not tracking the cell phone. I mean, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.400 there's a lot of things that feels like they could 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.200 be doing. I'd also like to mention that this is 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:48.840 one of my favorite Olivia haircuts. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.040 I love this. Are you kidding? 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:51.280 Yeah? 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:52.600 I really like it. You don't like it? 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.800 No, I actually avoided talking about it for so long 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.160 Or is that the next Yeah, I avoided talking about 0:21:58.160 --> 0:21:59.720 it for so long. It's because at the end I 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.880 go listen. I'm sorry to say I hate this haircut. 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.800 She looks like Sean Cassidy, like a teen heart throb 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:08.720 from the sixties. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.439 It's crames her facing. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.760 Maybe it's just because she's so pretty that in the 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.920 season it's also had rassy highlights. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.320 It's just like, I don't know if I knew this, 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.280 David Calm Lisa, Yeah. 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.680 The first time, because I even like the pixie cut 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.600 more than like. This is truly my least favorite Benson hairdoo. 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.080 I think I think it's cute. I guess we'll have 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.320 to put a pole up. Oh yeah, okay, let's do 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.919 a pole. Let's do a pole. So the mom is 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.959 talking about how Kayleie is such a good person and 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.800 works hard here at the office to say for tuition, 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.160 she wants to go to NYU and become a lawyer. 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.480 I don't know what this has to do with anything. 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.520 Does this make me like her more? She has a daye. 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.679 I just I don't get this little well. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.480 It's also like whenever they set it up too, like 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.840 she's never even had a drink. It's like, bitch, your 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.760 daughter's like nineteen, she's had a drink. 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:00.439 Like, I don't know. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.320 It's like whenever the mom is talking about how good 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.080 the kid is, and I'm not saying this kid did 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.280 anything bad, but like we're going to find out something 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.560 she did that's not like textbook good. You know. 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.800 Well, it also just like so if she drank, she 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:12.800 it's not as sad. 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.000 It just doesn't make sense. 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.560 It's like the sentiment behind it also is confusing to me. 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:19.280 So there's a. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.639 Bunch of press and they're asking questions, and you know, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.919 the press conference is underway, and Olivia is interrupted by 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.600 the office manager who's a woman with pearl earrings, a 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.159 dark red lip, and a side part low ponytail, and 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:32.760 she's like, I need to talk to you, so they 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:33.800 scurry off together. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.080 If this actress was listening to this podcast, she'd be like, Wow, 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:38.919 I never thought anyone would give me so much attention. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.400 I'm in this I'm in this episode for two seconds. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.720 And Lisa is like perfectly describing her. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:47.600 I loved her. 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:49.560 I don't know, maybe it's because of all my reception 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.200 in years. I just have some respect. And I realized 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:57.320 the office manager is also from Sex and the City. 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.920 Obviously I can't stop and she do you remember this episode? 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.280 It was like when Carrie is obviously broke and then 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.919 Charlotte goes to return her diamond ring and then the 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.199 woman there is like she uses a bad word that 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:12.879 would not be allowed on television. 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:14.919 Did she say we'll bleep it? 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:15.240 Oh? 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.200 She goes, Oh, I after I got a divorce, I 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.320 turned my ring and to a bag it because my 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:22.080 husband was a. 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:27.280 Get was the written written by a gay man? A 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.120 thousand percuit yay. So if she looked familiar to you, 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.200 she was the one at the jewelry store in the 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.440 episode where we find out Carrie is so broke. 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:42.679 But they cut back to the press conference and you know, 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.159 Trevor's like, listen, we'll give you ten grand if you 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.520 have any information that brings this Kaylee, and the mom 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.040 does the classic like we'll give you anything, anything, But 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.360 it's like, what does he want? What does he want? 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.960 You're se inkit like it's you got nothing. Your daughter 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.160 has to work for tuition. You have nothing to offer 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.959 these people. So all of SVU is now huddled around 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.719 the TV and they're watching this, and so they and 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.760 so then at in the press conference, you know, Trevor's like, 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.080 and if you have any tips, called the SVU tip line. 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.280 So then the SVU people are watching it and they're like, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.800 oh great. So they're getting ready for the calls, and 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.280 Kraigan's like, nobody goes home. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:21.360 We're all working. Over time, there's going to be a. 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.399 Lot of leads, especially from the fruit Loop Brigade. 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.200 Okay, I like that is that merch? 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:32.679 I mean, is that what we call the listeners the 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:33.640 fruit loop Brigade? 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.920 Do you guys want to be our fruit loops? 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.560 Even though it is an outdated reference to mental health, 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.320 we just like it in general. 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:42.440 Let us know, we'll put up another pole. 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.800 Honestly, I just love the cereals so much that it 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.639 didn't occur to me that it was like a slur. 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.760 I think that's what is so great about you. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:59.160 You would. I was like, delicious, Take five fruit Loop Brigade, Yeah, 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.320 take repate. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.360 No, this one has this is a great episode. 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.880 So we're back with the office manager and with Live 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:09.639 and she's like, listen. So we had to fire one 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.040 of the bike message and it's like, we don't need 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.760 this gossip, but I love the backstory. So basically they've 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.680 had to fire a bike messenger because he was making 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.680 stops at strip clubs. So they gave everyone cell phones 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.920 with GPS, and Olivia is like, and you didn't. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.880 Care to tell us before, you know? Now a warning? 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:26.480 What the fuck? 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:30.320 And so she's like, no, no, the phone has been 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.800 turned off, so we couldn't, you know, there was nothing 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.560 we could do. But it just turned back on. So 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.439 that's fucking exciting. So just a few minutes ago it 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.600 turned on. Where is she? She's on Eighth Avenue and 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.320 she is moving. So Ice is now in the car 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.320 with Munch and they're like following the directions and then 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.399 the GPS shows that it comes the phone comes to 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.440 a dead stop and they're looking, Fuck, it's a garbage truck. 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:56.040 Sad. 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.520 So they do find the phone, but no Kayley. And 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.280 we're back to another walk and talk with Craigan and 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.960 Stabler at the precinct and they're thinking that phone was 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.480 turned back on like in the truck on accident and 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.280 missus Seller's actually got a call and that's really sad 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.359 too to think about. And so she just heard like 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.440 the garbage truck for twenty minutes moving around and yeah, 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.080 so that's weird. 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.720 Yeah, she was probably not thrilled. 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.200 No, And also like if she was in there, then 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:27.880 the girl has been compressed. 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:29.919 I mean I always think about that now when I 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.040 see garbage trucks, Like when I see a garbage truck 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.800 like doing its compression, I'm like, oh my god, I 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.840 think about like I like, this show has made me 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.679 think about that, like if there's a body in there. 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:38.720 It's not alive anymore. 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.840 Like I've thought of that before because of this fucking episode. 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.080 Yeah, garbage compression. 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:45.960 There's a lot of garbage truck stuff in U S 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.159 for you though, Yeah, a lot of Yeah, truck. I mean, 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.040 if you're gonna get rid of a body, put it 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:51.720 in the garbage. 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.840 Yeah, that's uh rule one oh one. Okay. 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.000 So then while they're in the precinct and they're talking 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.679 and they're trying to discuss that's what's happening. 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.639 Suddenly you're like, wait, is this a dream? Is this real? 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.960 Is that Martin Short floating into the scene. You're like, 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.679 I don't know if I'm alive or dead? Did I 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.680 go to heaven? But Martin Short walks into the precincts 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.040 and I it's pretty exciting. 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.679 When you think of when you think of Martin Short, 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.480 what's like the thing you. 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:18.640 Think of first? 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:23.560 I think of like Jiminy Glick, even though I didn't 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.040 even watch it that much. I think of Clifford because 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.520 I would always see it at the library and Blockbuster, 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:30.080 like that cover of Clifford. 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.159 But what I personally love. 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.680 Him from is a movie no one has seen where 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.680 him and Nick Nolty have to kidnap his daughter, Martin 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.360 Short's daughter from an orphanage and they go out on 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.520 the run and they might be robbing banks, and like, 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.800 Martin Short's wearing a wig and it flies out of 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:47.480 the car and he has to wear way. Do you 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.680 know what it's called a lopside? Hannah's clicking, Hannah's clicking. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.760 Three Fugitives, Yes, I've seen this movie. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.840 So Three Fugitives was huge in my house and we 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.120 watched it all the time and loved it. So that's 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.040 the movie. I think I've watched the most. And did 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.160 he host Oscars? I don't know what I've seen, Three Amigos. 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.200 I mean I am, yeah, I'm cultured. What about you? 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.520 No for me, I go right to Clifford. I love 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:12.280 Jimmy Glick. 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.080 I also love Frank obviously, father of the Bride. Yes, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.920 I just like have loved him so much like my 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.920 whole life. I just think he's so so funny, and 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.320 I just a treasure arm movement. Yeah, like I just 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.040 think of a lot of arm movies and I just 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.880 watched Only Murders in the Building and he's like still 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.880 so good, Like he's so good. 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.880 You're just like charmed by him, Like he's just great. 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.400 Yeah, we might have to tell the listeners now we 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:43.280 did not get Martin Schultz. Yeah if that's yeah, we tried, 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:48.000 we tried, We tried hard, but Marty's busy just in 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.840 case you're listening being like they got him, No we didn't. 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:57.000 We got someone else. Amazing, great, perfect, But you. 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:58.800 Aren't gonna love who we got. You are obsessed with 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.320 who we got. Many of you have pat choose of 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.480 who we got. But yeah, you're gonna be into who's 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:05.000 the guest. 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.320 But so he said he has seen the girl from 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.640 the press conference. So Craigan and Stable are eyes, you know, 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:17.080 open wide. They're excited, and so he starts giving details 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.120 of a man holding her and everyone is like, okay, 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.440 what's happening. And then he goes and then they're like, so, 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:24.960 where'd you see him? Where'd you see him? And he 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.800 says I had a vision, and of course they're pissed. 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:30.960 Yeah, and you know. 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:35.440 Stabler like closes his little notebook and Martin Shrek goes listen, Okay, 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.480 I know what you're thinking, and Maloney out missing a 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.360 Beat's like right, because you're a psychic. Yeah, And now 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.480 I'm wondering how many psychics come and harassed cops all 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.680 the time, and maybe they're doing the Lord's work of 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.240 just like a cabbing for us, just. 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.239 Annoying, annoying them. 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.360 So then Martin Shore, I just I like that it's 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.600 not funny, but because it's him, maybe it's funny or 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.600 do they write it extra fire like. I don't know, 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.480 but this episode does have so many gems and Martin 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.920 Short goes, oh, you think I'm mentally ill? And Craigane goes, wow, 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:06.640 he's good. 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:07.880 I like that. 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.760 So it is just like a really funny episode. So 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.360 he's like, listen, I've helped other police stations find people. 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:18.360 You know. 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.160 I'm Sebastian Ballantine. 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.480 I love this part. 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:28.600 So then Maloney goes, whoa the Sebastian Ballentine And he goes, wait, 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.600 you've heard of me? And Maloney goes, no, it's one 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.959 of my favorites. It's so cruel, but it's so funny. 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.200 It is, but also the name is annoying. Spelling it 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.360 throughout this whole recap was hard for me saying it 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.600 over and over in my head planning on how this 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:52.560 episode's gonna go. Sebastian Vallentine is a mouthful. Who do 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.720 you think of when you think of Sebastian. 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.920 The crab from Little Mermaid? Yeah, am my cousin. I 0:31:58.920 --> 0:31:59.960 have a cousin named Sebastian. 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.360 Yeah, I think crab, and then I think cruel intentions. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.480 Those are my two Sebastian and I guess Sebastian Bach 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.520 but yeah, and of course Sebastian Roche one of our 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.560 sexiest and most capable guests. 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.160 Yes, one of the early friends of the pod. 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.640 Yeah, I mean he's cooking, he's building, he's on a ship, 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.880 you know. Yeah, yeah, I bet he's fucking his wife. 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:22.160 Good. 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.440 Okay, So those are the Sebastians in our lives. And 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.000 then it's Valentine. Not Valentine. It's just like it's just too. 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.000 Much for me. I hate it so much. Okay. 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.040 So Craigan is like, please escort this man out of here, 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.320 thank you so much, and Sebastian's like, well, at least 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.720 take my card. And another bit, Craigan goes, what is it? 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.440 Three ninety five a minute? They're giving it to him? 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.240 But did Martin help write that? Like how did they 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:49.840 know who wrote this episode? 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:50.000 That? 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.560 They are just so many bits, It's like it's truly incredible. 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.120 Up top, So we got to go to Taru and 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.600 our girl, our good friend friend of the Joel de 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.479 la Fuente Morton Grove resident not anymore but from Native 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.360 He's doing some computer phone tracking stuff, and so at 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.320 seven twenty five in the morning, there's a photo of 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.400 Kaylee on the phone that they like were able to 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.920 get out, and it's her like taped up and strapped up, 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.200 so at least we know that she was alive that morning, 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:20.360 so that's good. 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.960 And then there's some older photos of her with a. 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.920 Guy and it's like it looks like they're in a 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.360 library and it's just like a guy her age and 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.320 they're hanging out. And then the next one he's trying 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.280 to like make a move and she's grossed out. 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.040 But it could be just a joke. 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.360 They like get they read so much into this photo, 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.120 like if that was just like teens hanging out, I'd 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.560 be like okay, but they were like he did it, 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.760 you know. They fell to a lot of conclusions from 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.600 this picture. So finally Benson and Stabler they're talking with Chloe, 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.480 who is the little sister of Kaylee, and they're talking 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.120 about the man and it's her old boyfriend from high 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.479 school and she hated him so much. And they hear 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.880 some commotion from Kaylee's room. They go in and the 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.520 mom is with sa Bad Valentine who is touching this 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.520 girl's underwear and doing readings, but it is creepy. He's 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.040 touching the underwear while doing it, and he goes, Hello, 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.239 Elliott and the mom is like, he can see her, 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.480 he knows that she's alive, and Martin Schort's like, you're 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:19.320 going to find her. We're gonna do this, and Stabler's pissed. Okay, 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.680 he is like Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. They don't 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.640 like a scam, okay. They don't like someone trying to 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:24.760 take advantage of people. 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:26.200 They do not like that. 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.960 So he, you know, he goes to his old school 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.799 rough and tumble ways with like the psychic and he's like, oh, 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.160 fuck yourself, and he's like, don't fuck with someone so vulnerable. 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.080 It's so rude, And I just I do love when 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.520 Maloney is passionate. I know I'm a flip flopper on him, 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.640 but he does care. He does care. 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.560 And he's like, I keep seeing. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.279 A serial port and a computer cord. Does that mean 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.880 anything to you? And Stabler's like maybe he met her 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.920 over the internet. He's like hey, and then he says, 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.000 actually no, we went through her tech and there isn't anything, 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.240 so stop fucking doing this, Like not making any sense, 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.359 and then he says, listen, there's also I see her 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.440 underflowing water, but she's not wet. 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.880 I know it doesn't make sense, but I see it. 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.560 I see it. So we're annoyed. Do you believe him? 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:13.960 Do you not? 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.960 Stabler's pissed. What does this mean? Flowing water but she's dry? 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.800 What are the cable cords? What is what is hiding 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.320 in the Internet that they're not able to find? Will 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:27.359 we find Kaylee alive? So the psychic now is trying 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.120 to like anger manage, judge him and stuff, and he's like, 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.200 go home and don't come back here. And Martin Short's like, 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.320 I understand your skepticism. I understand, but I'm just trying 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.800 to help. And Stabler rubs them up again and shoves 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.200 them and is like, get the fuck away, you stupid fraud. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.640 So then he brings up the wife and children and 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:46.400 runs off. 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:46.839 Into the night. 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.040 Stablers yeah, yeah, yeah, He's like, yeah, your wife and 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.240 kids are worried about you or something, right. 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.360 Yeah, and scurris. Scurris is my word of the episode. 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.160 I think. Yeah. 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.160 So we know Stabler's pissed, he doesn't like one his 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.279 family is brought up and so he's he's off into 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.280 the night. So you know when they do the orthodox 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.840 juice separation, So he was with Valentine, Benson's with the mom, 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.239 and the Mom's like, listen, he hasn't even taken a 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:12.799 cent from me. 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:14.760 This is not a grifter. He wants no money. 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.400 And Benson's like, listen, I get where you're coming from, 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.520 and you're desperate, but there are people that are unscrupulous 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.799 and they're not trustworthy, and these psychics like flock to 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.160 high profile cases for attention and then it gives them 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.440 notoriety and then they can turn it into a business. 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.640 So this is like, you know, they're working for exposure here. 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.080 That's the classic classic and I never even thought about. 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.239 It that way. So I do like that Benson is 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.680 bringing a new perspective to me. And it's like, listen, 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.919 you need to be careful. It is about the money 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.040 at the end of the day. And she's like yeah, 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:49.760 but he says he has a fishion. 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:54.040 So the mom is saying reasons why she believes him, 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.359 and Benson's telling her why it's bullshit, and the mom 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.799 is mad that they ran him off and it is 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.399 her only hope to like connect with her daughter, and 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.480 I mean, I know that they don't trust him, but 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.520 it is the mom's decision to work with any fruit 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:09.600 loop she wants. Okay, so did you like that I 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:14.800 used it in a sentence? My fruit loops gotta not 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.879 be offensive, right, it's just too fun. I'm bringing it back, 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.839 and I actually not to brag. I did just order 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.960 a protein powder that's flavored as fruit loop cereal, but 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:30.000 they can't say it because of you know, copy right. 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.239 Benson directs Chloe to show the photo of the teen 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.640 boy to the mom, and the mom's like, Jake, what 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.720 was this taken? And they say a week ago? And 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.600 the mom's confused why she never mentioned it? And Benson's like, 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.399 why did they break up? And then the little kid 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.480 Chloe not little kid she was going to. I mean, 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.680 I wonder if she still made it to the dance, Jacob. 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:52.120 I doubt it. 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.080 This dance is kind of weird. My sister's being kidnapped. 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:57.480 Is kidnapped right now. 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:06.279 So Chloe quickly goes because she wouldn't put out, and 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.640 everyone's a little shocked, and the mom and Benson lean 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.400 in and it's like, what how do you know that? 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.719 And Chloe's like, I read her diary, but she tore 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.880 it up after she found out I read it, so 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.040 we don't have any more diary stuff. But thank god 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.600 Chloe read it, and basically Jake wanted a fuck. Kaylee 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.080 was not ready, so Jake dumped her ass, which is 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.160 good that she didn't like stay with him because he 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:26.239 was just using her for sex. 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.000 So good decision making, Kaylee. 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.120 And then the mom reveals that Sebastian did ask her 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:36.480 if the letter JA meant anything. Oho, so I wonder, 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.640 you know what the spirits let him know about the 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.680 letter j. So now we're back at the office with 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.200 Ice and Stabler and they're figuring this Jake shit out 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.920 and Jake's in college in Boston and they're trying to confirm, 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.840 like was he there, did he come home this weekend? 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.880 What's going on? So then the psychic comes back. 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.960 Martin Short is back, and Stabler's like, what the fuck? 0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:57.919 I told you to stay out of it. 0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.799 And he's like, I know, but I'm meant to be, 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.560 Like something is telling me I have to be here, 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.719 and Martin Short then has a wild request to touch 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.240 some evidence to do a reading, and of course Benson 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.160 says no, and I see a stunt coming, so I'm like, 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:11.920 what is the stunt? 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.279 What is happening? And like what's But. 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.719 Then Stabler kind of surprises me and it's like, you 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.080 know what, give him a room. Stabler's like, keep him 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.319 in there, and let's leave him. Like, let's leave him 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:22.840 in there. So he leaves the mother alone and all 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.239 of us alone. Just dump him in a room. But 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.240 the precinct is really wild right now and it's bustling 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.920 because they're getting like hundreds of calls and tips. 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.000 In the room is full. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.480 Of people with with scoop, and so it's just a 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.239 little commotion. And who do we see in all the 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.319 commotion are good friend's sister Peg. 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:39.640 Hello. 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.560 And it's never good news when she's at the precinct, 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.919 I'll tell you that much. If she's made if she's 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.840 made a trip, it's not good. And she's with a 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.480 blonde woman, and the blonde woman has some scoop. So 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.600 sister Peg is like, listen, I was doing my condom 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.359 run and warning all the work and girls that there 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.279 is a man snatching women off the street. And the 0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.759 blonde he's like, I think I saw this guy. And 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.640 while the discussion is happening. Martin short is creeping his 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.200 way into everyone, and a weird interaction occurs, and I 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.319 can't really put my finger on what's happening, but he 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.719 is being creepy. So the blonde is like this, and 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:13.960 this guy made me pretend to be the missing girl 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.680 and it just was a little sick to me. So 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:22.040 Martin's like, hey, so you're a madam and lol, so 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.520 you know, are you a psychic or what. She's like, no, 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.880 I'm a nun and she is wearing a purple shirt. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.040 Sorry to bring this up again, I will never stop. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.719 So that's like this little interaction where I'm confused. 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.799 He's like, oh, are you this or are you that? 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.440 Or he also asked the girl, oh, you're a prostitute, 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:43.399 Like he's so fascinated by them. It's like, yeah, yeah, 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.520 it's just it's a little tell, but I don't know 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.960 of what. But it is like great subtle acting and 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:53.319 directing if I've ever seen it. So Ice walks in 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.719 and has some info and Jake nailing a girl and 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.640 coming home from Boston and crashing at his friend Michael's house. 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.320 So off to Michael's house we go. It's aloft. That's cool. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.520 So basically, Mike. 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.360 Is out of town, but a shirtless Jake opens the 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.319 door and there's a girl in a men's shirt, which 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.719 I think is a sexy look that is never overplayed 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:14.560 in movies, like you can always put a girl in 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.840 a dress shirt and I'll like it. So the girl 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.920 is spraying shit into the air, so I'm assuming they 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.799 were smoking somepot. Bad teens, Bad teens, And Jake's like, 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.600 why are you here asking about Kaylee? 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:25.920 What? 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.920 And they're like, she was abducted and raped, and he 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:35.640 says she was asking for it, so bring him in 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.920 what you like, even if why are you? 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:40.000 Oh god, he probably thought the cops would high five 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:41.279 him and be like I know, right. 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.439 So he says how she was always wanting her first 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.880 time to be special and she made him wait a 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.680 year and no prize, and then they're like, well, we showed, 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.719 and then they show him the photo of him like 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.560 from earlier where he was like trying to get some 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.040 and she was pushing him away and Stabler's like, yeah, 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.320 and you never stopped trying and you're a fucking abuser. 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.160 What are you doing And he goes no, no, no, no, no, 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.560 Let me show you something. So then Jake says he 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.600 saw her at the library once on a site called 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:12.040 bidding room dot com and she was selling her virginity 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:17.680 to the highest bidder. So that's a twist. And Ice 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.840 is actually very progressive here. And it's like, listen, she 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.080 wanted to go to college and she sold the one 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.799 possession she had. Yeah, and so yeah, she was trying 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.920 to sell her virginity to go to law school, her 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:31.719 one true dream. So Munch is being a downer and 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:33.920 is like, oh, man, who's going to tell her mother? 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.560 It's like does the mom need to know? Do you 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.360 have to tell the mom every bit of evidence you find? Like, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.040 you don't have to tell her. She doesn't need to 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.920 know this. So Craigan is nervous that the press is 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.799 gonna go wild about this. Again, just don't tell them. 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.880 This is Florida. It's not like mandatory release of records. Like, 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.720 I don't understand why they can't keep it a secret, 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:57.720 like I I the mom, the public, the press, nobody 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.680 has to know about the website. So they have a 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.440 list of all the bidders and there's no winner. It 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.440 was a live auction and the person who had the 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.960 most amount of bids, who just kept bidding, bidding, bidding, 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.840 but kept being out bid. Was con a sewer. But 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.239 it's spelled different, and there's a word game. I don't 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.799 really get it. What's what's the game here that he's 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:18.280 a sewer? 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:19.399 What is it? 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.480 It's a stupid Yeah, it's like a way of spelling connoisseur. 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.840 That's not connoisseur. It's like, there's no game. It's it's 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.520 someone trying to be clever and it's not really working. 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.400 Okay, So they go to this connoisseur freaks apartment and 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:35.200 his name is Harlan Beaumont, and it's like, obviously, I 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.280 love the writer of this episode for all the jokes 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.279 and funniness, and then with these names, I'm like, you're 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:41.320 an enemy of the people. 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.160 But I actually did know a Harlan. I knew a Harlan. 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.120 He was like a pretty Jewish boy in my high 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.000 school and he was the star of the musical and 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.640 he got sick right before the debut and he had 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:53.920 to sit like sing sick. 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.440 Once upon an Island. He didn't have an understudy. He 0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.640 wanted to do it, honey, he wanted to do it. 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.279 So he's sang poorly and it was like dedicated to 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.160 his craft. Yeah, and he was one of those who 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.160 knew he was cute, and you don't want to know 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:09.759 that in high school you become a bad well I 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.120 mean maybe Harlan's succeeding. 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.279 Who knows, who knows where he was at, Lisa, do 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.600 you want? He said? It was once upon an island 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.560 where you can find once upon a mattress and once 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.440 on this island if you want to read, if you 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:20.680 want to. 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.960 Know you usually it was is funny which one once 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:27.840 on this It was once on this island? 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.200 Oh no, yeah, which, by the way, my summer camp 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.200 did that too. And I don't really think all white 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.400 organizations should be doing not play. No, my high school 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.520 did it too fully a white cast. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:42.719 I mean we also did The King and I I 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:46.920 mean we Yeah, it was a different time it was, 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:48.840 but we did have so many Pacific Islanders on my 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:49.360 high school. 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:50.680 But not in the theater department. 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.200 I wonder, because you can't also like then go into 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.400 the school and be like we need all Asians to 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:59.840 audit them for this play. That seems fucked up to 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.919 Oh no, you know what Clara was in at Clara Wong. 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.600 What's up girl, She's a very successful actress. She's working, 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.640 she's modeling. She was in she was in Billions, she 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:13.799 played like a dominatrix. She's working Clara Okay, Scochy something else. 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:14.920 Success. 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:20.279 Yeah. So anyways, back to Harlan. We're back to the connoisseur, 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.640 this little freak and me and this freak have a 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.239 lot in common. Unfortunately, he is a collector of things 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:25.640 that are. 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:29.799 Worthless, and so am I so many lava lamps, like 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.279 so many lava lamps. 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:36.400 And like clocks shaped his apples and pineapples and a 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.719 cactus lamp at some racist statues. 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.880 I don't have those. A lot of globes, old phones. 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.800 So but then while they're there and they're bullying this dork, 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.160 they do get a call that they found Kayley's body 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.160 and her body is found in Hell's kitchen. So Stabler 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.520 runs to the scene and he's in a denim jacket 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.680 with lamb fur on the inside, and it is one 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.759 of my least favorite, least favorite looks, just items of 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.200 c thing like if I see someone with the lambskind 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.120 and it's for I don't like it. 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:05.120 Nope. 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:09.360 So she is dead and there's a weird blanket on 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.040 top of her strangulation marks. She's only been dead a 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:16.000 couple of hours. And then above her is pipes with 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.440 running water and she is dry. So Sebastian the psychic 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:24.160 was correct, fuck because that is like a wild riddle. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.560 And so to have the flowing water on top of 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.239 her while she's dry, it's like, I. 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.520 Think this is one of the cugest moments in SVU history. 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.960 I would say, yeah, it's very classic because you're like, 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.760 oh my god, he's a real fucking psychic. Is SVU 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.439 showcasing a real psychic in a blot line? 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.280 Like what's going on? So then the Dunim boy runs 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.560 to the precinct. Dunim boy is Stabler, So he runs 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.560 in and he goes, give me the freak. Where's the freak? 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.080 I need to find the freak And they can't find him. 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.840 But he was there all night for eight hours in 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.759 the interview room. But they can't find him. Right now, 0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.160 everything's going off the rails, like is it his fault? 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.040 Did he know? Did Stabler let the girl die? Like 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.560 should she have listened to the psychic? Is the psychic 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.760 the ki? Like what is happening? So Huang and Craigan 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.400 are now like having to walk Stabler off a cliff 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:12.879 like we always have to do, where it's like, it's 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.839 not your fault, it's not your fault, and Stabler's like, 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.160 it's Valentine, it's him, and he did it. So I 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.640 feel stupid because I thought Stabler was maybe believing that 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.600 he was a real psychic, but it's not that. He 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.239 was like, oh, this guy's like the killer, right, how 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.200 could he have killed if he was there the whole time? 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.600 And he goes, I don't know how, I don't know why, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.560 but I know that it is him. So Stabler's like 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.000 ruffling his desk trying to look for this business card 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.799 with Sebastian's number on it. And then a young like 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.279 cop comes to talk to Stabler and is actually like 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.719 the Sebastian's number one fan, and he's like, whoa, this 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.600 psychic knew everything. I love this psychic. And Stabler is pissed. 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.279 He goes, if you believe that piece of shit, you're 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.680 in the long run, you're in the wrong line of work. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.440 And then in the lofty balcony area of the office, 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.760 Valentine is there with a coffee and ham being like, oh, hello, 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.080 why don't you look under your mousepad? The business card 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.680 is there, so you know, it's always bad when someone overhears. 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:09.760 You talking shit about them. 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:13.000 But Stabler goes up to the stairs like a little 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.520 Romeo and is like, oh wait, so you were here 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.719 all night and you never left the building. And he's like, well, 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.640 you told me to wait for you. But then he 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.480 knows he's the killer. But how did he do it? 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.120 Is Stabler wrong? What is Holp going on? And he's 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:27.879 just like, you knew about the computer, you knew about 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:28.600 the flowing water. 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.000 How did you know? How did you know? You know? 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:35.680 Like, and Valentine goes, it's a gift and then Stabler 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.799 starts to like rough him around and he goes or 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:43.040 a curse again. It's like vaudeville. It's so fucking good. 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:47.000 Yeah, So then they play the cassette tape voicemail for 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.080 him and it does sound like Martin Short, Like I 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.920 do have to say, like obviously there's games or recording 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.920 devices being played, but it does sound like Martin Short. 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.160 And Stabler's like, we have a tech crew and they're 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.759 scrubbing and filtering it and we'll figure it out and 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:02.799 Sebastian's like, yeah, put a rush on it, give me 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.960 a lie detector. I don't care, bro, I am here 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.960 to help. So Maloney's like, okay, psychic boy, what am 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:11.440 I thinking? And he replies that negative energy blocks the channel, 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:15.160 and Stabler's like, no, I'm completely open. So Valentine's like, 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.000 I'm sensing flat problems with a family member, a woman, 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.760 maybe your wife. He goes, I don't talk about family 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.240 at work. We know this about Stabler and he says, 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:29.560 I see three pregnancies, and that's that's interesting because you 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:33.200 know there's twins, so that's a little twist. And Benson's 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.880 like on the other side of the spyglass. 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:36.759 Being like, how did he do it? How did he 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.200 know four kids through pregnancies? What the fuck? 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.560 And I'd like to say that she is wearing purple Okay. 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.480 So anyways, Huang is like, this is just a manipulation 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.719 in games. Psychics like have been doing these games for 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.160 thousands of years. They know reactions and different ways the 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.920 way you move, like it's just all games. And so 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.960 then they devise a plan that's that Benson's gonna go 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.879 in there and give all the wrong clues and raise 0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:01.919 them eyebrows at the wrong time and try to fuck 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:05.200 with him and it doesn't work. The planned backfires. He's like, 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.200 I know you don't have a husband, Like you're wrong. 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:12.200 And Benson's acting is terrible here, Like Marishka hargeta incredible actress, 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:14.440 Benson not good. 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:16.120 Yeah, this isn't her best work. 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.239 No, because I'm also thinking about her being like the 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.239 sex worker in the Animal the Wildlife episode where she's 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.800 like hello, Daddy, Like that wasn't good either, Like Benson 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:26.600 is not good. 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.600 I mean she as good as persephony, but yeah, she. 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:34.080 I don't think she's that good of an actress. Olivia Benson, Yeah, 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:41.040 Marishka Yes. So Ice comes in and they've found nothing 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.439 on the Prince in the system and Wong starts talking 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.600 about a cd ROM and I just love that. 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:48.040 So basically there's like a. 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:51.400 Cd ROM that the FBI uses to like figure lying 0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:51.919 shit out. 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.360 I don't care. So maybe he has anyone can use it. 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.480 There's like basically there is and I think I've read 0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.080 about this before. There are ways that psychics can like 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.640 observe like tiny minuscule like facial ticks that you do 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:05.799 that give away things that you're gonna say, and that's 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.239 how a lot of psychics actually get work is by 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.400 using that. And he's like, it's also available on Ceede 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.960 Rahm for anyone that wants it. So yeah, that's why 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.719 you have to go to the people that read your 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:19.480 coffee grounds, because then that's concrete, which, by the way, 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:21.880 a huge plot line in the current season of Organized 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.680 Crime with Chris Maloney. But go on, oh yeah, the Albanians. 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:29.160 The character of the Albanians love the coffee grinds. Okay, 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:30.360 so anyways, where are we? 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.520 Okay, so we're cutting to the connoisseur collector guy and 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.160 he is in the precinct. 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:35.560 Upset. 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.120 He goes, I want to written apology, and it's like, 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.200 get in line, bro, they're like choking men to death 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:41.560 on the streets that white. 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.880 He's like, so mad. I was just bidding on a virginity. 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.360 Yeah, you're not totally innocent, you fucking creep. 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.319 Yeah, but if someone's doing it on per I don't know. 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.960 I yeah, just wanting its weird, Okay, Yeah, okay, I 0:51:58.040 --> 0:51:58.200 like that. 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:02.040 I was about to defend virginity bidding about. My whole 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:04.200 senior thesis in college was about how the concept of 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.520 virginity is false and I'm like that makes sense. 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:07.960 Okay. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:12.440 Anyways, so he runs away, but her the little uh 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.120 collector guy. And as he's running away, we have a 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.720 blonde woman with a baby runs in and she's asking 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.000 much for some help and she's looking for her husband. 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:23.080 Her husband said he would be here, but they waiting 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.440 and the husband's not back yet, and they're like, okay, 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:29.360 who's your husband and she goes it's Sebastian. So basically 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.279 this is Sebastian's wife and baby. Are you kidding me? 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.120 So the wife comes in with the baby, and so 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.160 then Cragan goes into the interrogation room and tells Sebastian 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:41.240 you're free to go, and Sebastian's like, no, no, no, no, 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:42.600 Like I don't need to leave, are you sure? 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:43.240 Like we haven't. 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.520 I haven't convinced Stabler, we haven't solved the crime. I 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:47.880 can stay, And Craigan's like, your wife and baby are 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:48.440 waiting for you. 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.839 Face crack. This is the first little face crack we see. 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.759 Sadness, confusion. He is not happy that they are here. 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.400 He's pretty pissed. He does not like his wife. So 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.960 the wife comes in and calls him Pooky and pooky 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:01.960 to me, it's like, is that even a real name? 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:05.000 Like, I don't know. I Pooky's funny to me. Jared 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.040 does call me pook. That's his nickname for me. 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.640 I was about to say, is that a real nickname? 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.640 Or is that something that sitcoms came up with? And 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:13.320 you're approving, Well. 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:14.960 He used to call me that, I think as a 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:16.839 joke and then he cut it to pook and that's 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:17.879 like what it is now? 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:18.880 Wow? 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:23.440 Wow, the more you know. Anyways, the mom she's she's like, 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.080 we missed you. We're worried. He's like, I told you 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:28.319 where i'd be. She's like, but we love you. But 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.160 she has alibis for him. YadA YadA. There's a back 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:35.239 and forth some marriage issues. So he's like, I promised 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.040 Kaylee's mom that I would find the killer and I 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:42.040 need to deliver. And Craigan says, we got people on it, 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.880 please leave, and Martin Schwort's like, I just I feel 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.560 like he's gonna do it again. And the wife's like, okay, 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.799 but we need you, and so YadA, YadA YadA. I 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.160 snacks on the door and there's a situation at St 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:58.640 Anne's Sister Peg is missing, so on the bed in 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:04.040 the convent they go. They rush over Kaylee's clothing from 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:08.759 her bike. Messenger job is laid out on Sister PEG's bed. 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:11.920 What the fuck is going on? And Stabler's like, fuck, 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.960 I've been messing around with the Sebastian motherfucker when I 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.520 could have been like finding this and helping. And now 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:20.239 you know, Sister Peg has gone, what is happening? And 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:23.320 then it dawns on lif she goes. Sebastian met Sister Peg. 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.480 He knows that she is at Saint Anne's and Stabler's like, 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:27.719 but he was with us all night. 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:29.839 So it is a true mystery right now. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:34.440 And the connection between Kaylee and Sister Peg is they're virgins. 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.919 They're virgins on paper because I think you could become 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.480 a nun and like not be a virgin yea later 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:43.320 in life. But the assumption is, fuck, this guy loves virgins. 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:48.120 The nun and the teens selling her virginity are both virgins. 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:49.880 Uh oh uh uh oh. 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.200 So cut to Ice in the squad knocking down the 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.200 doors and scaring old lady neighbors, like looking for Sebastian 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.040 at the apartment, and you know, Benson and Novak are 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.799 arguing about warrants. Obvious the tale is oldest time about 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.440 this warrant thing, and Benson keeps going, but it's sister Peg, 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.400 like we have to help her, and Novak's like, no, 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:10.560 judge's gotta do this. 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:11.960 Yeah, break and the rules. 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.640 So then Novak's also like, hello, he was also in 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.560 the precinct all night, and Benson goes, yeah, he must. 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:19.520 Have been working with a partner. 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.200 Like what don't you understand I'm a detective, I know 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.759 what's up. So Benson gets a call that ballentine'es have 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.640 just been seen at a car wash hosing out the 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:31.719 back of their van. So finally we get to bring 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:34.480 these fuckers into interrogation. 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:35.400 What call is that? 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.800 By the way, were they being tailed or did somebody 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:39.799 just say, hey, I saw a weird couple hosing out 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:40.239 their van. 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:40.960 I don't really. 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.680 I bet they had someone fine them. I bet they 0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:47.080 had a detail espec Yeah, because if they're already ransacking 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.239 the apartment, they might have found them. And like what 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.919 the license plate? And you know, Stabler goes, You've gone 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:57.359 after someone I know personally, big mistake, huge, and he goes, 0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.680 of course, logical how could I have gone after her? 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.360 I've been here the whole night, and it's like, we 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.720 know who your partner is, and they're gonna make a deal, 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:05.480 and he goes, I'm a one man show. 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:06.960 And Benson is with the wife. 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:11.960 You know, it's the gender breakdown, interrogation rules, and she's saying, listen, 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:15.479 the baby puked and Sebastian hates the smell. And she's 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:17.280 just going on and on about how their best friends 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.800 and business partners and they love each other. And Craigan's like, okay, 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:23.480 well she's dumb and he's smart. That's his diagnosis in 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.280 all of this. They're like, he thinks he's a genius 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:28.600 and she's the dumbest person I've ever met my life. 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.280 So no, okay, this is one of my favorites. Again, 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:34.920 this episode is so funny. So Novak runs in as 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.840 Craigan is talking with Ice and goes, I found a 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:43.240 judge with a drinking problem. Is that merch? That's merch? Okay, 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.920 So she caught him at the bar, and so she 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.880 manipulated a drunk judge with a drinking problem to sign 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.600 a warrant. Well, and then he goes, yeah, he signed 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:57.600 it without reading it. I'm like, this is amazing. I 0:56:57.640 --> 0:57:01.560 love this so much. So then she mentions I like 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.959 fixed the door, and Daddy Craigan's like wait what door, 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.399 and I says like sh I mean, it's like, ah, 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:09.120 this is the best episode of all time. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.240 So we're back in the apartment. We're searching the computers. 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:15.400 We're pulling up records and basically he uses not Google 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:17.680 but link it, which is an advanced Google that you 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:21.439 pay for and it shows public records, and we see 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:23.960 that in his search history he was looking up Elliott 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.840 Stabler and Olivia Benson. So any ideas that we had 0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:29.800 that like maybe he is a psychic, he's not. 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:30.920 He was just like he. 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.240 Might not even be using that facial thing. He just 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:39.000 knew a bunch of shit about them, Like yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:41.320 So the pro but the program LinkedIn is not registered 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.200 under Sebastian's using LinkedIn. 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.720 It's called Lincoln was something like that. I think it's 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:49.720 supposed to be like Lexus Nexus or something. 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:55.240 But yeah, so then we find out it's actually registered 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:58.800 under a guy named Henry Palivar from Canada. So Henry, 0:57:58.840 --> 0:58:01.560 they find out served in time in Montreal for abduction 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.760 and sexual assault of a minor, but there was no murder. 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.280 He let the fourteen year old girl go and the 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.760 girl remembered his plates and that's how he got caught. 0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:14.120 So maybe that's why this Henry person might be murdering. Basically, 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:18.400 done Dune Done. Henry and Valentine are the same person. Yeah, 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:20.600 this is a Canada thing. That's why the prince didn't 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:26.760 come up because Canada and US are not LinkedIn and 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:31.360 Henry's only been in the US for six months. So basically, 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:35.080 maybe that's why he's like went up to murder because 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:36.280 he got recognized. 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:37.720 But I don't know. 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:40.440 So basically, you guys get it. Martin short is Henry 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.560 and Sebastian. So the wife and him took on new 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.400 identities and Benson's like, I'm gonna get her ass. So 0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:50.760 she kind of negs her and is just like, okay, 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:52.800 so he only got out of prison eight years ago, 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:53.959 you've been married for ten years. 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:55.240 What's up, you fucking weirdo? 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:59.040 And she's like, listen, he's the most smartest, sweetest, most 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.960 charming man I've ever met. And they met through a 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.480 Penn Power program with inmates, because she says, can you 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.200 imagine anyone more in need of a friend. They're completely 0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.160 cut off and lonely, and it's like, I don't know. 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:13.240 New mothers are lonely too, write them letters like yeah, 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:13.600 I just. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.440 Want to know what happened in this woman's childhood. I'll 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:16.040 tell you that much. 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.560 So so she thinks like she could change him. Benson's like, 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.520 you really think you can change him? She goes, yes, 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.440 she goes, but you did it and he's like a 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.040 bad person and he actually made you bad instead of 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:28.800 you making him good. And she goes, that's a mean 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.680 thing to say. So she's like, you know he's abducting 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.479 and raping virgins and you're helping him. So what the fuck? 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:39.320 We found map quest directions in your car? Oh shout 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:43.400 out to map Quests. I love this episode of television. 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:45.800 They also did find blood in the van and they're 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:49.520 gonna test it, and Carlena it's like, babe, it's over, Okay, 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:51.720 it's fucking over, and she's like, I want to talk 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:54.920 to Henry and Benson's like, why why would you do this? 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.920 And she goes, well, I was scared he would leave 0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:58.640 me if I didn't, so I thought if I proved 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.320 him how much you know, I loved him. I would 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.760 do all this that he would stop. And Benson's like, 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.800 but what the fuck, Like how many girls are there? 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:09.480 And she says twelve, which you know she's also an 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:10.320 idiot for talking. 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:11.560 So who are these girls? 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.840 And she says usually hitchhikers in Canada and Benson's like, well, 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:18.960 Kaylee was killed while Sebastian was in here, so you 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.520 you did that, and she nods, yes, she had to 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.320 do it. I couldn't let him go back to jail. 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:26.720 It was my fault. And then behind the spy mirrors 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:30.720 we have Stabler and Henry Akamorton short aka Sebastian Valentine 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:34.440 aka Psychic Boy, and they don't do that often, so 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:36.840 I really like this. And so he's watching her spill 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.000 the beans and obviously he's never respected her, and he's like, listen, 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:42.040 I wouldn't even have to rape virgins if she had 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.960 been one, and it's like, wait, excuse me, and but 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:47.200 this is the first time, like the act is dropped 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.960 and the acting here is fucking incredible to me. 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:51.080 Like this whole thing. 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:53.320 He's like, I'm just here to help, and like you 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.640 see the soul leave his eyes, you see him become 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.520 like a fully evil person in just one quick look 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:02.560 of a face like that is a skilled performer. How 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.439 you can just change everything about your character in one 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:10.560 look like I just chilling. So basically he martin short. 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:13.200 He explains that this woman lied and said that she 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:16.280 was a virgin, but he wasn't a virgin, and she's like, yeah, 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:19.160 I didn't fuck anyone for two years while you know, 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:22.240 while we were engaged or whatever, and he was in jail. 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:24.600 I thought that would be enough, but it wasn't enough. 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:27.480 And basically when they went to compensate the marriage, like. 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:30.440 Say, shut the fuck. 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:34.800 Up, I mean it's close, and then they went and 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:39.000 had some consomme after Okay, So he's like, I could 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:41.720 tell she was used goods like that, that wasn't a 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:42.600 face of a virgin. 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:45.600 And Stabler's like, so, what's with the virgin thing? And 1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:48.920 it basically it's uh, you know, Stabler makes fun of him, 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:51.080 was like, what you like, you can't deal with competition, 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:54.160 like you know, you can't have someone that's fucked someone before. 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.040 He goes, no, I'm pretty adequate in bed. I just 1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:58.439 like the expression on a girl's face for the first time, 1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:00.800 and Stabler's like, no, that's not sex. 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:01.280 That's rape. 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.800 You're saying rape face, not first time vibe face. And 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:09.440 he's just really into shock and confusion, panic, fear, soft pain. 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:12.160 So this is a true Sickoh he loves faces. 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:14.160 Yeah, and this is the part I'm talking about, Like 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:16.120 there's a part where he goes and just a soup 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:18.959 song of pain. I always I knew he was about 1:02:19.000 --> 1:02:21.080 to say that before he said it, because I always 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:23.800 just remember that line from this. He's so creepy and 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.480 he's like, and just a soup song of pain? And 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:29.280 is that a little Montreal nod? Like is that French 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.400 to be? Like, maybe song is French, but maybe it 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.080 is a nod to his Montreal roots. 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:38.720 Mateo Lane has a funny joke he goes Montreal, people 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:41.200 think they're, you know, French, and it's like you're you're 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:42.800 in Cleveland and you speak French. 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:50.400 I always think it's funny. So he loves all these faces. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:52.320 And then Stabler asked the big question where it's like 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.680 why'd you even walk into the precinct, Like you could 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:56.640 have gotten away with all of this, Like why'd you 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.480 do it? And basically he's just like really into faces. 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:01.200 He likes to see what he's set in motion and 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:03.959 likes to see all the cops facial expressions that gets 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:07.760 him off. So he just loves seeing reactions. I bet 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:10.440 if you go onto his porn search history, he's looking 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:14.000 for close ups. Okay, So anyways, he's. 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:15.480 Like, yeah, you guys are all a bee hive and 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:16.760 I just poked you with a stick. 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:20.920 But also I like to help, so creepy. 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.200 Back to benson twisted love affair, how did you even 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:28.040 find Sister Peg? Like, what is happening? You better start talking, bitch. 1:03:28.520 --> 1:03:30.680 So anyways, we do find sister Peg. She's in a 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:33.760 shipping container that's chained and locked up. She's inside gash 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:36.160 on the side of her head, but there is a pulse. 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:39.240 She's tied and taped. But I'm so glad here to 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:42.960 help her. But Sister Peg such a selfless woman, and 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:44.320 she's like, the baby. 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:46.080 You have to help the baby. The baby. 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:47.600 There's a baby in the van and they're like, no, 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:50.320 that's his baby, and Sister PEG's like no, no, no, no, no, no. 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:52.160 The baby is not good. 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:56.320 That Sister Peg overheard like this wife, this blonde woman, 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:58.600 kept yelling at the baby that it's the baby's fault 1:03:58.600 --> 1:03:59.360 that the dad. 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:01.919 Needs to keep funing and raping virgins. So it must 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:04.080 have been a bad baby, and she picked a bad baby. 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:07.320 So now it's like, wait, another fucking twist. There's only 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:09.600 three minutes left of this episode. What the fuck is 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:12.760 going on? So now we find out that they picked 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.920 a baby. This is not her baby. So in the office, 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:19.360 they figure it out that someone cut the fetus out 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:21.880 of an eight and a half month pregnant woman and 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:25.720 they can't find anyone that ever saw this blonde woman pregnant. 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:30.160 So they cut a fucking baby out of a pregnant 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:33.160 woman and left her for dead. Basically, she said she 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:36.200 got sick of seeing her husband with all those other girls, 1:04:36.200 --> 1:04:38.400 and she thought if they could be a real nuclear family, 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:41.040 that would help, and that would fix everything. And it's like, 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:43.880 can you imagine if that was a Cosmopolitan tip where 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:46.800 it's like, if your marriage is going bad, steal a baby. 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:48.080 Yeah. 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.400 And then since he knew that she wasn't a virgin, 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:52.520 he couldn't touch her, so he would never fuck her. 1:04:52.600 --> 1:04:54.720 So then they find out that they've been married for 1:04:54.800 --> 1:05:00.160 ten years and they've never had sex, and this it's 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:02.720 a confused face and stabler like I've never seen he 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.479 is so passed by this information. She's like, you haven't 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.840 fucked your husband in a decade. So they hang on 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:10.520 cuff this bitch. They're taking her to jail and she's 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:13.320 like no, no, ba ba ba ba bap. And while 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:15.840 they're walking, Martin Short like puts his arms out of 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:18.040 the holding cell he's in and grabs her and pulls 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:20.160 her in and it's a jump scare moment, like I 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:22.000 kind of jumped yeah, and. 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:24.320 He screams you stupid dizzy cow. 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:27.080 And she's like, I love you, and he's like, are 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:29.880 you happy now? And the thing is, I'm on Martin's 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:31.800 short side here. I would be pissed if she talked, 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:33.520 you know what I mean, Like, I would be pissed. 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:35.680 And I want a prequel. I want to know what 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:37.600 happened to these people as children. 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:39.960 Well, you're about to get one, so i'd be careful 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:40.560 what you wish for. 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:44.640 Oh god, I forgot about the format of our podcast. Okay, 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:48.680 So then he calls her a dirty whore and she's like, 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:50.160 come on, bro, don't say that. 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:51.560 And she starts. 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.880 Crying and she's like, but you promised, you promise, and 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:59.560 he goes, I lied love that. Stabler and Sebastian a 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:03.240 final life moment, and Martin Short goes into the voice 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:06.280 that we heard in the first like voicemail recording and 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:09.880 goes best sex I ever had, and oh god, he's 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:13.280 so good, and Stabler says, we're not going to extradite 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.040 you to Canada. We're going to keep you right here, motherfucker. 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:18.600 And he likes that. He goes, oh, I really had 1:06:18.600 --> 1:06:22.080 an impact on you. I love that, and he looks 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.040 evil and that's the end, and yeah, I think it's 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:25.200 one of my favorite episodes. 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:27.560 No, And when you go back and watch it again 1:06:27.600 --> 1:06:29.520 and you hear that recording at the beginning, you're like, 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:32.600 it's very clearly Martin Short like it is, like, but 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:33.840 if you don't know that. 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:36.680 It is kind of enough different, you know. 1:06:36.880 --> 1:06:39.600 And if any of you listening are friends with Martin Short, 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:40.600 tell him what the fuck? 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:43.680 Yeah, Martin, what are you so busy doing? Martin? 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:50.360 You can't get on a zoom? All right, Kara, I 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:51.560 guess let me know what's up. 1:06:51.640 --> 1:07:07.520 Buckle your seat belt, baby, Okay, So let's dive into 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:11.840 the true crime. Obviously this episode. If you are a 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:14.120 fan of true crimeer you've just listened to our podcast 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:18.000 does bear resemblance to the canon Barbie Killers, Carla Hamolka 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:21.320 and Paul Bernardo, the couple luring girls in the guy 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:23.560 wanting to rape virgins, the Canada of it all. But 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:26.480 obviously we've already covered that case in our episode Damaged, 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:29.360 and there was another case that this is based on 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.560 as well, and so we're going to cover that before 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:34.080 you all decide to message me and tell me that 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:38.920 I'm wrong. So basically part of this episode is based 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.400 on the murder of Bobby Joe Stinnet. She was a 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:44.960 twenty three year old who was found murdered by strangulation 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:47.320 in her home in Missouri, and she was eight months 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:49.640 pregnant and the fetus had been cut out of her womb. 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.360 So this is obviously the last part of the episode 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.880 is based on this crime. It's obviously very horrific and 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:57.280 hard to talk about, but I think there's a lot 1:07:57.320 --> 1:07:59.920 of good information here that we should go. 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:03.960 And what's wild is that they snuck in this heinous, 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:07.480 giant crime in the last few minutes minutes. 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.080 Like it is so wild. 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:14.400 So the person who committed this crime was named Lisa 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:17.599 Marie Montgomery. She was thirty six at the time. So 1:08:17.880 --> 1:08:21.080 Bobby Joe and her husband zeb were childhood sweethearts and 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:26.080 they ran a dog breeding business in Missouri, and Bobby 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:29.559 Joe and Lisa actually met in person at a dog 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:32.320 show in Abilene in two thousand and four earlier that year, 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:35.519 and then they ended up talking online in a chat 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:39.879 room about rat terriers called ratter Chatter. So very passionate 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:43.519 about this brand of dog, I guess this breed. Lisa 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:46.679 lied and told Bobby Joe that she was pregnant too, 1:08:46.760 --> 1:08:49.000 and so the two of them started exchanging emails about 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:52.679 their pregnancies. And then December sixteenth, two thousand and four, 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:55.320 Lisa gets in her car and drives from Kansas one 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:59.400 hundred and seventy five miles to Bobby Joe's house in Skidmore, Missouri. 1:08:59.840 --> 1:09:02.720 And it's believed that Lisa posed as a customer named 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:05.519 Darlene Fisher who was interested in buying one of their dogs, 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:07.880 so there was no forced entries. She let her in, 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:11.519 but then Lisa strangled Bobby Joe and cut the fetus 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:14.599 out and fled with the baby. Sinnat's mother found her 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:16.559 an hour later and called the police. Saying it looked 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:20.280 like quote, her stomach had exploded, so horrible imagery. 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:21.639 But according to an. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:26.120 Affidavit, she had her murderer's quote blonde hair clenched in 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:29.920 her hands, so she struggled, she fought, Paramedics tried to 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:32.720 save her, but she was pronounced dead. That same day, 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:34.920 Lisa called her husband and told her that she had 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:38.519 gone into labor had given birth, and the following day 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:43.000 police went to her home in Melvern, Kansas because they 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:45.640 had traced the email to her IP address, and they 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:48.240 initially just wanted to interview her as a witness, but 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:50.320 when they got there, they saw that the car match 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:53.080 the description of the one at the crime scene, and 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:55.320 when they got into the house, the hair, I mean, 1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:57.920 well the hair probably confirmed it all later. But when 1:09:57.920 --> 1:09:59.680 they got into the house, they found her sitting there 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:03.640 holding an infant watching TV. So my you know, And 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.080 she initially tried to say, oh, this is my baby, 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:08.439 and then like her story fell apart very quickly and 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:12.400 she confessed. So the kidnap newborn baby girl was recovered 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:15.519 and placed with her father who she has raised her 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:18.880 and she now would be like sixteen or seventeen years old. 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:21.760 The quick recovery of the baby and capture of the 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:25.280 perpetrator has been attributed to the use of forensic computer 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:28.720 investigation that was able to track their online communication. So 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:32.280 authorities also used an amber alert, which apparently was initially 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:34.559 denied because it had never been used on an unborn 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:38.880 child and there was no description of the victim at all, 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:42.360 like the baby. So but then a Congressman named Sam 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:44.559 Graves signed off on it and the alert was used, 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.400 and then uh DNA testing is obviously what they used 1:10:47.400 --> 1:10:49.080 to confirm the infant's identity. 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:51.400 And Lisa was tried and. 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:54.000 Found guilty in two thousand and seven, so you would 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:57.000 kind of think, oh, this ends there. I obviously want 1:10:57.040 --> 1:10:59.680 to say that I feel horrible for the family of 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:02.720 Bobby Joe. This is a horrific crime that was perpetrated 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:04.719 against her. Should never have happened. She should be alive 1:11:04.800 --> 1:11:07.800 raising her child right now. But that said, just as 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:10.160 we did with Aileen Warnos, we have to take a 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:13.280 look at the cycle of violence that perpetuates crimes like these. 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:15.000 So I just want to talk a little bit about 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.479 how Lisa lived her life a little bit. She was 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:21.120 born to an alcoholic mother, which caused her permanent brain damage, 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:24.360 and multiple medical experts have corroborated a diagnosis of fetal 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:29.519 alcohol syndrome. She was horrifically, physically and emotionally abused by 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:33.880 her mother her whole childhood. Her own daughter, Lisa's half sister, 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:37.639 called her evil and someone who enjoyed hurting people. Then 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:40.520 she was sexually abused at home, raped by her stepfather 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:44.120 and his friends, and beaten starting at age eleven. Her 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:48.680 mother also trafficked her, allowing handymen like electricians and plumbers 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:52.120 to abuse her in exchange for work on her house. 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:56.719 Lisa at one point confided in a cousin, telling him 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:59.400 that men would tie her up, beat her, and pee 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.719 on her afterwards. And of course this cousin did absolute 1:12:02.800 --> 1:12:04.559 jack shit to help her. He just dropped her back 1:12:04.560 --> 1:12:06.600 at her house. And guess what, that cousin ended up 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:10.680 becoming a sheriff's deputy. Of course, like multiple people in 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:13.760 this kid's life knew about what happened, and no one 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:14.360 stopped it. 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:15.880 No one helped this girl ever. 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:18.320 Well, it's also I think about the people where it's 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:20.200 like people become cops to help people. 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:21.360 It's like not this sheriff. 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:24.040 Yeah, he had an opportunity to fully help someone in 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:27.000 his own family. Like so, so if it's not to 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:30.120 help people, what motivates police officers and sheriffs, you know, 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:30.880 And it's like, have. 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:33.360 An honest look in that you're a cousin. Just say 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:34.040 come live with us. 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:36.040 It doesn't even have to be like if you're too 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.160 scared to press charges about what it'll do to the family, 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.160 you live in a small town, whatever the fuck, just say, 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:42.040 come live with us. Take the kid out of the 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:44.840 just dropped her back off at this hell hole where 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:50.679 she was being like abused habitually for years. Lisa herself 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:53.800 developed a drinking problem when she was fourteen. Her mom 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:56.519 discovered the abuse by her stepfather and then reacted by 1:12:56.560 --> 1:12:59.160 threatening her with the gun, like the same way how 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:02.519 in Downloaded Child episode, the woman was like, my little 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:04.879 seven year old is a slut, and it's like, okay, 1:13:05.479 --> 1:13:07.479 you need to rethink being a parent. 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:09.080 And also how the world works. 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:12.920 So when the mother this is wild too, like more 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.080 and more just like disappointment from systems that are supposed 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:18.719 to help children and do not. When her mother eventually 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:23.040 split from this second husband who was the one molesting Lisa, 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:26.280 she and Lisa both testified it in the divorce proceedings 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:29.040 about the sexual assaults, and the judge in the case 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:32.240 like scolded the mom for not reporting the child abuse, 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:34.800 but then did not report the abuse himself. Like this 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:38.800 was a judge who just like never prosecuted this man, 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:42.559 never like made any of that happen. So truly fucked up. 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.439 She tried to escape her family life by getting married. 1:13:45.479 --> 1:13:48.800 At the age of eighteen, she married her stepbrother. They 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:51.280 had four children in five years, but this man was 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:54.639 violent to beat her often, and at one point one 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:58.439 of her brothers found a home video of her that 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.400 showed her husband raping and beating her, and the brother 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.320 was like, it was horrific video, but I just didn't 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:06.320 know how to bring it up with my sister. There's 1:14:06.360 --> 1:14:09.400 another person like letting her down, not helping her. She 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:12.880 eventually divorced this husband and married Kevin Montgomery, and claimed 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:16.240 to be pregnant multiple times with this husband, even though 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.680 she had gotten her tubes tied in nineteen ninety. 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:21.439 Because I bet people, well I can't, I can't say, 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:23.400 I don't know, but I bet people were maybe nicer 1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:24.840 to her when she was pregnant. 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:29.040 Sure, that's a possibility too, But I mean, she had 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:31.879 four kids in five years at the age from eighteen 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:32.559 to twenty two. 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:34.840 Like, that's a rough fucking go of it. 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:37.639 There's a couple of theories as to why she did 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.080 what she did to Bobby Joe. Some people think she 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:43.120 took the baby because she had had a miscarriage that 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:44.720 she hid from her family. I don't know how this 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:46.920 makes any sense, because if her tubes were tied, I 1:14:46.920 --> 1:14:48.559 don't think it's very possible to get pregnant. 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:50.480 But another theory. 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:53.000 That is widely discussed is that her ex husband had 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:56.120 planned to revealed she was lying about the pregnancies in 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:59.000 order to get custody of the existing children she had 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.160 with him, and she's like, I need a baby, like 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:03.120 I need to prove that I really am pregnant or 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:06.920 this guy's going to take my kids. So at a 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:11.240 pre trial hearing, a neuropsychologist testify that head injuries, which 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:14.040 Lisa had sustained years earlier, could have damaged the part 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:16.960 of her brain that controls aggression. At her trial in 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.800 federal court, her defense team was led by a man 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:24.560 named Frederick Duchardt, and he claimed that she had pseudocysis, 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:26.880 which we've talked about before, and that's a mental condition 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:31.160 where a woman falsely believes she's pregnant and actually exhibits 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:34.320 like weight gain, loss of their period, things like that, 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:36.280 but there is no baby. We talked about it in 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:40.760 the episode where the quiet woman from the Orange is 1:15:40.800 --> 1:15:43.040 the New Black didn't have a baby inside of her. 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.839 It was from taboo, taboo, taboo. 1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:51.160 So two doctors, one named William Logan, which is my 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:54.880 father in law's name, testified as experts that Montgomery did 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:59.840 have pseudocisis in addition to depression borderline personality disorder MPTSD. 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:07.440 Another doctor named doctor villaianor Rama Chandron, testified that Montgomery's 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:11.760 stories about her actions were inconsistent because she was so delusional, 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:15.799 like she was basically unable to really explain her acts 1:16:15.880 --> 1:16:18.559 or like why she had done anything, or she just 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:22.599 seemed very delusional. And he said that when someone has 1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:26.920 pseudopsysis and the pregnancy belief is threatened, people suffering from 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:30.160 these delusions will also go into a disassociative state to 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:34.439 protect the delusion, and he believed that when she killed 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:36.840 Bobby Joe, she was in a disassociative state that was 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:41.360 a lot like sleepwalking. Both federal prosecutor Roseanne Ketchmark and 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:47.519 the opposing expert witness psychiatrists. The opposing psychiatrists for the 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:51.720 opposing side disagreed with the pseudopsysis you know, diagnosis. 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:53.040 They were like, this is bullshit. 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:56.080 She They were like, she went and got she researched 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:58.640 how to do a sea section, she bought a pregnancy 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:01.080 and at home pregnancy kit, like blah blah blah. But 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:03.200 then a lot of people argued, like, to be going 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:06.400 through a psychosis or like an event like this, you 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:07.320 can still be planning. 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:08.479 You can still plan things. 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:11.320 Like just because she premeditated something doesn't mean she was 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:15.960 in her right mind. So on October twenty second, two 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:19.439 thousand and seven, the jurors found Montgomery guilty, rejecting the 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:22.439 defense claims about her delusions, and on the twenty six, 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:25.040 four days later, the jury recommended the death sentence. 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:26.679 That's where it's fucked. 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:29.920 I mean, were they able to bring up her past 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:35.599 abuse my next sentence in the pseudocyesist defense, Montgomery's past 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.880 trauma and separate diagnosis of mental illness were never fully 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:43.280 revealed until after her conviction. So it's like, how like 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:45.400 didn't we talk about this with Aileen Mornos, Like none 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:46.719 of this was introduced a trial. 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:51.040 Her horrible way that she was brought up because. 1:17:50.720 --> 1:17:53.080 The crime is horrific, Like if you're a person on 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:56.360 the jury, I understand where they're coming from. 1:17:57.120 --> 1:17:59.240 She should be found guilty and be in jail. But 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:03.800 the death sense, I just were, well not dense penalty. 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:08.080 Girls, Yeah, exactly, and like you know, I'll explain more later. 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:10.600 But a lot of people argued that Duchard did not 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:14.559 give her a competent legal defense because he did not 1:18:14.640 --> 1:18:16.759 introduce any of her past trauma or any of the stuff. 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:18.840 And he rejected all that and was like I did. Great. 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:24.439 Experts who examined her after her conviction concluded that by 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:26.479 the time of her crime, she had long been living 1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:30.400 with psychosis, bipolar disorder, and PTSD. She was said to 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:33.880 have often disassociated from reality and had permanent brain damage 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:36.880 from numerous beatings at the hands of her parents and spouses. 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:38.320 Horrible. 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.240 Yeah, I mean she was beaten her whole life. Can 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:43.759 you imagine just being strapped and having electricians come piss 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:44.040 on you. 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:45.840 I mean it's like the most fucked up thing. It's 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:46.640 so horrific. 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:50.280 And so basically there's a case called Atkins versus Virginia 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:53.600 that ruled that executing individuals with intellectual disabilities is a 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:57.280 violation of the eighth Amendment of the Constitution regarding cruel 1:18:57.280 --> 1:18:59.720 and Unusual punishment. So a lot of people expected that 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:02.880 Monk would be ineligible for the death sentence here. But 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:07.120 she exhausted like every appeal, and you know, there was 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:08.879 like a day she was she was supposed to get executed, 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:11.120 and then her attorneys actually got COVID nineteen. She was 1:19:11.120 --> 1:19:14.040 supposed to be executed in December of twenty twenty. Then 1:19:14.080 --> 1:19:16.439 her attorneys got COVID, so that gave her some more time, 1:19:16.479 --> 1:19:18.120 and then she got a new execution date, which was 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:21.240 January twelfth of twenty twenty one. And I actually came 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.720 upon this case right after we started this podcast, and 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:27.920 we've actually shouted out this this instagram before and are 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.120 what would Sister Peg Do segment about her Whole Truth, 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:33.880 which is a instagram you know, fighting for women on 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:36.080 death row or women that are innocent. 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:37.759 They were really really. 1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:40.160 Trying to get Trump or a governor or someone to 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:42.559 overturn it because this was federal So what if I 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:45.880 think had to be Trump to this wasn't her state 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:46.720 executing her. 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:49.960 They executed so many people in that last month. Yeah, 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:51.320 it's like so fucked up. 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:53.639 It's just weird to think about all of these little 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:56.400 pieces where it's if it was a different administration, she 1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:59.840 would be alive, right, one little thing, if one ja 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:02.160 she gave her a protective order, a got rid of 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:06.360 the step dad, or one teacher fucking followed up on 1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:07.320 signs of abuse. 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:10.320 I mean, just so many people facing it's really. 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:13.720 Really heartbreaking too, because there's a lot of photos of 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:15.599 her as like a child, and she's just such a 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:19.840 sweet little girl who just was failed at every turn 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.440 by everyone in her life and everyone in her community. 1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:26.439 So essentially her lawyer, you know, she had multiple multiple 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:29.320 appeals and then eventually she had a stay of execution 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:31.720 that was vacated by the Supreme Court with a six 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:34.720 to three vote and the execution was ordered to be 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.760 carried out. Her half sister came to her defense and 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:40.120 said her half sister was named Diane Maddingley. Now her 1:20:40.160 --> 1:20:43.799 half sister was removed from the home, put into foster 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:45.920 care and went on to live a good life. And 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:48.800 she's like I feel terrible that I should have. If 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:50.679 I had reported what was going on in our house 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:53.320 and how horrible our mother was, maybe I could have 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:54.200 saved my sister. 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.880 But I think she just why did she get to 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:58.120 leave and the other one didn't. 1:20:58.520 --> 1:20:59.360 I don't really know. 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:01.720 I don't really know. I think it might have been 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:06.120 like who, I don't know, somehow someone reported that she 1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:08.840 was being abused, Like yeah, exactly, like another fail. You 1:21:08.920 --> 1:21:10.760 think one girl's being abused in this house and the 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:13.439 other one isn't, Like, how is she not also being 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:17.599 removed from the home. So the sister Diane said, quote, 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:19.880 I would say, President Trump, I want you to look 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:21.880 at the life that Lisa had led. I want to 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:24.320 look at all the people that have failed her. I 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:26.160 want you to look at the rape, the torture, the 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:28.960 mental abuse, the physical abuse that this woman had endured. 1:21:29.240 --> 1:21:31.320 I'm asking him to have compassion on her as a 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:34.439 person that has been failed over and over and over again, 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:36.760 and to not fail her. And guess what, he fucking 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:41.200 failed her while asking someone like that for compassion is right, 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.280 not possible, And that's like a lot Like I was 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:46.040 signing petitions, I was kind of trying to post about it. 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.680 I was really like involved in like her Ripe in 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.559 her case right before she was executed. And you know, 1:21:51.600 --> 1:21:54.400 someone even wrote me and was like, you know what 1:21:54.439 --> 1:21:57.040 she did to Bobby Joe is unforgive of course, like 1:21:57.080 --> 1:22:00.639 no one is defending she that she murdered this woman 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:02.880 and took her like that was that's a horrific crime, 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:04.439 one of the most horrific crims I've ever heard of. 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:06.800 But we need to like, you know, it's not I 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:08.800 for an eye, like we need to break the cycle 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:09.519 of viol You're. 1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:10.599 Not excusing the crime. 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:13.040 I think this person should have been found guilty and 1:22:13.240 --> 1:22:15.200 just been in jail and. 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:18.840 Been in jail or a mental facility or something, you know. 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:23.840 So she was killed by lethal injection in Tara Hate, 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:28.679 Indiana on January twelfth, and I'm sorry on January thirteenth 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.439 because it was one thirty in the morning and when 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:32.960 they asked her if she had any last words, she 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:36.160 just said no. And she was the first female federal 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:38.800 prisoner executed in sixty seven years. 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:39.800 So that's another thing. 1:22:39.880 --> 1:22:41.920 It's like in the Diane Weste episode that we talked 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:45.519 about Chameleon, it's like you're gonna make a rape victim 1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:48.639 the person that stands up. That is the example for 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:52.960 women being having equal rights to men and being executed 1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:56.040 like this is not a mastermind woman who you know, 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:59.280 executed a horrific crime in her right mind, you know. 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:00.760 So. 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:01.599 Uh. 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:04.680 She was the first female federal in sixty seven years 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:06.320 to be executed by the US federal government and the 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:10.600 fourth overall. Only three women have been executed by the 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:14.120 US federal government in the last like over one hundred years. 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:18.920 Mary Sarat by hanging in eighteen sixty five, Ethel Rosenberg 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:22.280 for treason by electric chair in nineteen fifty three, and 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:25.000 then a woman named Bonnie Hetty by gas chamber also 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:26.160 in nineteen fifty three. 1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:27.040 I don't like that. 1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:29.880 It's this weird bingo of everyone being killed a different 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:30.400 way too. 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:33.920 That's like, yeah, pretty sid, that's weird. Yeah. 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:37.760 And it was just talking about how like Lisa Montgomery, 1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:40.840 Corey Johnson, and somebody named Dustin Higgs. They were all 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:44.360 three people executed under Donald Trump in his lame duck period, 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:48.439 like after he had been you know, like six days 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:51.639 after this motherfucker tried to overthrow the government, he kills 1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:54.160 this woman like it shouldn't have even been allowed I'm sorry, 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:57.080 Like it's so it's it's really horrific to me. And 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:58.479 that's the end of the story. So if you want 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.840 to know what Charlene was going through or whatever. The 1:24:00.840 --> 1:24:04.680 wife's name of Sebastian Valentine, maybe this is her background. 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:09.439 Who knowsh I mean, Hannah was just telling us. There's 1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:12.200 like new studies that people with feed to all alcoholism 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:15.360 ermans apparently make up like eighty percent of the prison population. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.760 Like there's just a lot that research that suggests it 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.840 affects morality, it affects probably like yeah, malleability in terms 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:24.680 of other people getting you to do things. Like it's 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:28.080 just something that should hostly be taken into account. And 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:30.880 you know, I'm not pro death penalty for anyone, but 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:34.760 specifically in these cases, Like I just think it's this 1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:37.760 isn't going to deter anyone, Like this isn't you know, 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.080 and it doesn't bring back the woman who died. 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:43.400 We talk about this a lot in terms of like 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:47.200 our country or humanity in general, is so focused on 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:50.519 like the punishment or after or like the symptoms, but 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:54.519 never the cause of like what is happening with you know, 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:57.160 like that like you always talk about death penalty does 1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:00.160 not deter crime. Yeah, these things don't deter crimes, so 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:04.080 like what will? And we are unable to do that 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:07.760 for the people in our worlds? Like yeah, because even 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:10.680 Richard Ramirez one of the worst killers ever. It's just like, 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:13.439 I don't know what's gonna happen when your dad ties 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:14.920 you to across in the middle of the night, all 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:16.800 night and you watch your cousins. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:18.120 Shoot people to death like it is. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:22.240 It's like, we're not excusing any murderers and I hate 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:25.719 them all, but we gotta find a way to help 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:26.719 abuse children. 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.080 Yeah, that might decrease the amount of killing. 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:33.200 Maybe maybe feed kids, take them out of homes that 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:33.840 are bad. 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:34.519 I don't know. 1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:36.960 It's so funned up, but thank you for taking us 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:40.920 through ye this case, and you know it's our one 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:43.519 year and we have a spectacular guest. 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:44.800 Can't wait. I can't wait. 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:56.120 You guys are gonna love it. Okay, guys, Our guest 1:25:56.160 --> 1:25:58.519 today is someone who's work I think a lot of 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:02.880 you are extremely familiar with. She is a podcast Maven, 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:05.200 the co host of Do You Need to Ride? And 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:07.240 a little podcast you might have heard of called My 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:10.799 Favorite Murder. She's also the co founder of the Exactly 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:12.839 Right Network, which is our network. 1:26:13.240 --> 1:26:15.439 And you might not know this about her, she is 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:16.639 an SVU super fan. 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:21.000 So we were so excited to bring our patron saint 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:24.639 and fellow SVU fan to our podcast for an interview 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:27.639 Karen Kilgarriff first of all. 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:32.360 Or shall we say happy first anniversary? Oh? Well, thank 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:33.280 you so much. 1:26:33.400 --> 1:26:36.719 Can you believe it's been a year? I cannot believe that. 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:38.519 I cannot believe it's been a year. 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:42.240 And the episodes keep on coming. That's the thing that 1:26:42.360 --> 1:26:44.760 I like to say. Sometimes I will be watching an 1:26:44.840 --> 1:26:47.800 SVU for quote unquote work on the laptop and in 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:51.439 the hotel, have SVU on USA for pleasure, and it 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:54.080 is it has gone by fast. 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:54.720 I don't know. 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:57.679 I can't believe it. I can't either, And I can't 1:26:57.680 --> 1:27:00.720 believe the celebs we've gotten to talk. I think that 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.360 was the most surprising, Like why cleft just singing to us? 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:07.360 Oh geez, what the fuck's so true? Well, I remember 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.920 listening to the pilot you guys made. I remember where 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:13.680 I was in the car and literally four minutes went 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:14.320 by and I was like. 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:15.240 We have to get this pocket. 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:17.360 We have to do this podcast like it was just 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:20.160 you guys were doing it so well, and whichever one 1:27:20.240 --> 1:27:23.760 you did for your first for the pilot episode, it 1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:26.160 was that thing where it wasn't like I just watched it, 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:28.040 but the second you guys started, I was like, the 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:31.320 reason this is gonna work is because everyone has this 1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:36.760 kind of almost like you know, collective consciousness knowledge of 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:39.760 this TV show where even if you don't remember beat 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:43.559 by beat the exact episode you guys talking about, it's like, oh, yeah, 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:46.479 that's right, oh that guy, oh that thing, And it's like, 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.280 so you don't have to watch along or be like 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.320 a super nerd fan to enjoy the conversation. 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:53.320 Thank you. Yeah, it's great. 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:54.760 Well, we have a lot of people that listen that 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:58.120 say they don't even watch the show, and I'm like, okay, yeah, 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.519 They're like, will you tell us everything that happens, and 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:02.200 then we like hearing about the crimes. 1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:03.839 So yeah. Yeah. 1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:08.519 So, just before we get specifically into pure tell us 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:10.000 where your SVU journey began. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.080 Well, like many comics who do really horrible shows on 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:17.320 the road and then go back to a terrible hotel 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:21.600 room alone, I began to emotionally become very dependent on 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:25.160 the entire law and Order catalog because it was always 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:27.479 on because you'd have basic cable, so they would like 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.200 TNT or whatever the station was that it was on 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.680 in the nineties two thousands, it was always on, so 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:36.160 no matter what time you came back from your gig, 1:28:36.840 --> 1:28:39.480 you could at least you would either see Sam Waterston 1:28:39.920 --> 1:28:42.920 or you would see a Mariska Harkata. There's some friend 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:45.840 waiting for you to pull you into a worse thing 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:49.280 that happened to people than the thing that just happened 1:28:49.320 --> 1:28:52.559 to me. So it became At first it was just 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.920 like the choices were like the news, some sort of 1:28:56.960 --> 1:29:00.200 Shark Week or Law and Order, and I was like, yeah, 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:03.400 this is fine. And then slowly but surely, the structure, 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:06.920 the pace, the people, it was like, now I have 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:08.920 to watch it. Then I watched it all the time 1:29:10.400 --> 1:29:13.600 whenever I found it, which again was always, And I 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.120 think it's that it's because there's so many episodes and 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:19.000 it's just been on for so long that you can 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:19.719 always find an. 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:21.679 Episode and you will always enjoy that episode. 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:26.000 Do you still watch it now that you're at nicer hotels? 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:30.960 Yeah, if it's on, the only thing is that for SVU, 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:34.639 I really do think I saw every episode once, if 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:37.880 not twice, because I got into that specifically for a 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:42.360 little while because I had a light obsession with Elliott Stabler, 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:45.320 so I really enjoyed just visiting a man like that 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:49.640 in my entertainment. So then I went back to the 1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:53.200 original Law and Order because there I didn't wasn't as 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:56.719 familiar with every episode, so I wouldn't be like, oh, 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.519 that's Jim Gavian loading that truck. That means we're about 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:02.000 to go here, that means this whatever. It would be 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.200 like a little bit more of a mystery. But I 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.320 absolutely will go to it anytime I see it. 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:10.880 And as SVU and the hierarchy of all the dick 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:13.599 Wolf's near number one or is that a battle for you. 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:16.800 It's definitely number one in terms of like it feels 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:19.559 like I went to high school with SVU, whereas the 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:21.920 classic one is more of like the college I couldn't 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:26.160 get into. And then Criminal Intent was like the JC 1:30:26.320 --> 1:30:27.880 that I was embarrassed to be at. But I would 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:32.679 go there anyway, right because I didn't mind criminal Intent 1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:35.160 is just that I didn't understand what the crimes were, 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.960 why we were talking about them a lot of the time. 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:40.840 I don't think I ever understood the intent of criminal intent, 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:44.200 Like don't I don't really get it's more like going 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:46.320 inside the mind yeah, of a killer. 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:49.960 But then you know, like there's the first episode that 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:53.080 jumps out to me was like it was about how 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:56.519 someone's young son who was in like his late twenties 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:59.479 or thirties had Alzheimer's. So it was like it was 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:02.400 always the situation where I'm like, is this really like 1:31:02.439 --> 1:31:05.439 a thing? Is this something? Is this worth our time? 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:08.120 Or is this the weirdest thing you could possibly think of? 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:12.160 So I don't know, it was not as I feel 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:15.000 like SVU has that kind of like you know, every part, 1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:17.639 Like as I was rewatching this episode because I haven't 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:21.080 watched as You in a long time, it was just 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:25.520 like every person that comes on, it's like like clockwork, 1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:28.679 and I remembered everybody's names, like I had the cast 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:29.960 lists there just in case. 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:32.400 But it was just like, of course I know Tutuolo. 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:35.160 Of course he's saying this thing. At this time. It's 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:39.000 all very like Mom's cooking kind of feeling yes, a 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:39.839 warm blanket? 1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:43.240 Yeah, which is an episode Grandma, the meatball episode, isn't 1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:46.800 it called mom's cooking or something now, because we which 1:31:46.880 --> 1:31:49.120 one the one with a Magda from Sex and the 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:53.400 City and she's making she's a meatball factory owner killer Oh. 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:58.840 My gosh, for SVU or for reg Yeah, no, oh, 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:00.519 I forgot what that one is called. 1:32:00.560 --> 1:32:02.320 We got to look it up. Oh my god. But 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:05.000 I think there's like a mom's cooking vibe in there. 1:32:05.439 --> 1:32:05.720 I guess. 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:08.120 The other general we can ask like, if you needed 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:10.240 a lawyer, who are you hiring? 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:14.599 Casey Novak? Right, okay, yeah, friend of the pod Diane Neil. 1:32:14.800 --> 1:32:16.280 Dian Neil. I feel like. 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:22.320 She is really hardcore, like doesn't take any shit, but 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:24.040 then you know, has a heart of gold. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:25.200 Yeah. 1:32:25.200 --> 1:32:26.880 And also I just have really loved all the hair 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:28.760 colors she's had over the years. 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:31.519 So many. We just we just watched an episode recently 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.360 where we were like, what's happening. They put her out 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:35.559 in the natural light and they let they just let 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:37.479 the sun do its thing, and yeah, there were a 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:38.599 lot of collars happening. 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:40.639 But what I love about dian Neil is she knows 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.680 her hair look terrible and she'll talk about it. 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.280 Is that true? Didn't you tell? Yeah? 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.519 She goes ah and then they put they gave me 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:48.280 those curls. 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:50.519 I look like a Raga muffet. Yeah, she knows that 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:51.600 her hair journey was. 1:32:51.680 --> 1:32:55.519 Rough, and that's really curl. 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:57.880 I feel like there's not a lot of actresses that 1:32:57.920 --> 1:32:59.519 would just dive right into that with you. 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:02.640 Yeez, she'll dive into whatever. I mean. 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.439 She told a diarrhea story on our podcast, so shit, 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:13.280 So let's talk about this episode. I mean pure, one 1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:16.040 of our favorites, one of your favorites, A classic, a 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:20.120 perfect meeting of the minds on this classic episode. 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:22.639 I mean, have you met Martin Short in real life? 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:25.400 I have? Tell me about it. 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:29.120 Very briefly and very like, not in a meaningful way. 1:33:29.280 --> 1:33:32.120 But he used to have a talk show in the 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:35.240 early two thousands that a bunch of people that we're 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.240 friends with rode on and it was set up like 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:40.040 a late night talk show, but I think it was 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:42.599 like afternoon and so at the end of the show 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:45.840 he had people doing sets. So I did comedy twice 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:51.120 on that show, and he was really complimentary and really 1:33:51.160 --> 1:33:53.840 like warm in a genuine way when I was done, 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:58.000 because I was really nervous, of course. And the one 1:33:58.000 --> 1:34:00.600 thing I remember is I think I was on the 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:03.920 same episode as Delta Burke, which was pretty hilarious. 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:08.799 Woa yeah. And the other thing was they kept trying. 1:34:08.840 --> 1:34:11.759 It was it was like two thousand and two or something, 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:15.800 pretty early two thousands, and they really wanted to flat 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:19.000 iron my hair, and my hair was it was a 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:21.160 little more fucked up than it is right now, like 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:25.720 I just got up, but it was pretty big and 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:28.840 kind of like my hair is neither wavy nor it's 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:32.559 wavy not curly, so it gets big and it just 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:35.080 kind of looks I don't know. Anyway, it was not 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:37.960 the look of the time. And this hair person wanted 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:41.000 nothing more, if not to flat iron it, then to 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:43.439 at least brush it. And I wouldn't let her, and 1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:45.639 so she followed me all the way to the curtain, 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:48.400 like truly until they pulled the curtain back. 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:50.479 As they were anouncing my name. This woman was standing 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:52.519 by like please, can I can I just do that? 1:34:52.600 --> 1:34:54.960 And I was like no, no, get away. I wouldn't 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:55.800 let her brush my hair. 1:34:56.439 --> 1:35:00.120 And then during the first set, lighting rig broke and 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:04.240 made this loud bang during my set, and I didn't 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:05.879 stop and I didn't react. 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:07.760 I just kept doing my set. 1:35:07.760 --> 1:35:10.280 And they all really loved that that. I didn't like 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:12.280 get all freaked out or whatever. I was just like, well, 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:13.920 they can edit that out. In my mind, I'm like, 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:16.080 they'll let it out later. And so anyway, I had 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:17.679 to do my set twice on that one. 1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:20.880 Is there video of this? Is this online somewhere? I 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:23.160 guess so depths of YouTube. We might have to find it. 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:26.479 What did you think seeing him as a rapist and 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:27.840 a virgin enthusiast. 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:30.920 I do not like evil, Martin Short. The world doesn't 1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:34.280 need it. Like by the end, it was really believable 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:37.120 and it was upsetting and I didn't like it. 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:41.719 Yeah, well, I talk about this one moment where he is, well, 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:44.000 it's hold on, do you hear the siren? 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:44.599 Yes? 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:44.960 I can. 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:47.679 I think it's thematically good and accurate. 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:50.760 Don't you that is true? Leave it in? 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:58.080 No, Martin Short, there's like one moment where he's watching 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.919 the spy window and you know, his wife is blabbing, 1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:04.320 and in just one look, it really was like he 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:07.760 just dropped his face and everything changed. And I am 1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:11.200 so impressed by that one moment and what a talented 1:36:11.240 --> 1:36:14.599 person an actor he is because one look and we knew, 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:18.200 oh so good, Yes, yeah, and there is so much 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:21.479 humor in this episode. The back and forths are so funny. 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:24.920 One liner perfect and that's it, no. 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:27.719 Question, And it's like Martin Short, like can't he can't 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:29.320 not be funny. There's even like a couple of parts 1:36:29.320 --> 1:36:31.080 where he's just really funny even though he's still being 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:32.479 a creep and you're like, yeah, you just like it 1:36:32.560 --> 1:36:33.720 kind of oozes out of him. 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:36.080 I feel like he can't be well, he's a ridiculous 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:36.960 faced person. 1:36:37.479 --> 1:36:40.280 So in the beginning, it's like his ridiculous face is 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:43.000 kind of giving this like I'm weird. I'm a weird 1:36:43.040 --> 1:36:47.880 psychic and very innocent or whatever. Uh. But I remember 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:50.679 the first time I saw this it was I think, 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:55.280 and I mean, so this was season six, right, Yeah, 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.920 So I don't know if in the beginning of this 1:36:58.000 --> 1:37:01.479 show they had so many celebrities doing guest star pieces, 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:05.200 because I remember once I started seeing the celebrities, I'd 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:06.840 be like, this is taking me out of it. Like 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:09.000 people would show up and you'd be like, well, this 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.840 is just a guest star, Like instead of you being 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:16.120 all in this borderline real situation in New York City, 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:19.040 it was just like he comes around the corner and 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.880 you're like, it's fucking Martin Short. But then he does 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:24.760 such a good job that he like he erases his 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:27.200 own kind of reputation or did for me? 1:37:27.439 --> 1:37:29.840 Yeah, were you as annoyed as I was that his 1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:32.320 name was Sebastian Valentine. 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:37.719 I that sounds like a like a show dog's name 1:37:38.000 --> 1:37:38.479 or something. 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:43.040 It's like some dick one more time around the ring, 1:37:43.080 --> 1:37:44.560 Sebastian Valentine. 1:37:46.160 --> 1:37:48.280 A lady in a black pants suit is running him 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:52.160 around the room. 1:37:52.600 --> 1:37:54.320 When you were saying it takes you out of it, 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.840 I famously get taken out of it whenever they reuse actors. 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:01.639 So even if it's like a not famous person, if 1:38:01.680 --> 1:38:05.200 it's like the guy who plays whatever in House of Cards, 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:07.519 I know he's in season one and then you're bringing 1:38:07.560 --> 1:38:09.719 him back in season four as a totally different person, 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:11.840 and I'm like, well he died, so what how did 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:12.320 that happen? 1:38:12.400 --> 1:38:14.839 You know? That doesn't bother me, That doesn't bother. 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:18.640 Somebody bothers me. I like people wearing any thoughts. I 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.040 like people making money. 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:21.479 No, of course. 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:23.559 And once I talk to the actors and they're like, yeah, 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:25.479 it's like an annuity. It really like helps you, I'm like, 1:38:25.520 --> 1:38:27.840 of course, for you, I want the opportunity, but get 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:28.559 me as a viewer. 1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:31.879 Well, what it is is I like that it's happening 1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:35.360 in the real world. It definitely is taking me out 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:39.040 of my entertainment that I'm trying to obviously lose. 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:40.040 Myself in entirely. 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:44.320 But the thing I start thinking of is how many 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:46.439 actors there are in New York City, and how hard 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:48.920 it is to get an actual TV job, and how 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:51.240 this guy must be good because he's now been brought back, 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:53.439 Like what did you do? I just start thinking about 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:56.759 that actor's like life career, Why are. 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:58.559 You such a great performer? 1:38:58.600 --> 1:39:01.760 Because also, hasn't Jim Yeff been on multiple episodes of 1:39:01.840 --> 1:39:02.920 all of the Law and Orders. 1:39:03.200 --> 1:39:05.599 He's yeah, he's only been on the one SVU where 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:09.240 he's the child molester with the bad teeth. Yeah, but 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:12.080 I think he's been on others, but just not s 1:39:12.120 --> 1:39:14.760 for you. Yes, I think he's been on the other franchise. 1:39:14.400 --> 1:39:16.360 And I think in the other franchises he's truly like 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.000 he definitely one time was loading up a truck where 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:19.639 I was just like. 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:23.559 Uh oh, and then but he was in SVU. He's 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:25.559 probably loading up a van. No, they get him in 1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:27.200 a van. He's got Oh it's. 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:30.719 Different, he's he's a red Herring kra he is loading 1:39:30.760 --> 1:39:31.240 up the van. 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:33.680 It ends up not being him. It's the guy. It's 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:35.439 another guy who's the main guy. 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:36.160 Right. 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:37.799 He seems really guilty. 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:40.720 Yeah, because he's kind of dumb and seems like a 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:41.320 bad person. 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.519 And then it's yeah. 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:49.439 So this episode, uh so nuts and twisting, but also 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:52.840 the real the true crime we know. So we said 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:55.639 that this episode is based partially on the canon Barbie Killers, 1:39:55.640 --> 1:39:58.840 which I know you've covered, yes, and then partially on 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:03.400 this woman who did remove a baby from a pregnant 1:40:03.400 --> 1:40:04.080 woman's body. 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:06.760 Do you know about that case? The body Joe stin it. 1:40:07.479 --> 1:40:09.880 I know about the case, and it was a woman 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:12.680 who told her own story on I Survived, and it 1:40:12.760 --> 1:40:15.840 is one of my favorite episodes if I Survived, and 1:40:15.880 --> 1:40:18.960 then I told it on our podcast because it's the 1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:23.519 most crazy story, which is this woman was like eight 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:26.360 nine months pregnant and a woman was like, I got 1:40:26.640 --> 1:40:29.479 we have the same name, and I got your baby 1:40:29.479 --> 1:40:30.160 shower gift. 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:33.000 I'll bring it over to your house. So she does it. 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:36.040 Everything's fine, and then a week later she's the same 1:40:36.120 --> 1:40:38.240 lady calls and goes, oh, now I have another one 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:40.880 of your gifts, but I can't I have to do something. 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:41.639 I can't bring it over. 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:45.479 And so this woman, having already met a also this 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:48.240 woman was as pregnant as she was, so she's like, oh, 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:50.080 I'll just come pick it up on my way home 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:54.519 from work. Therein the story begins of her getting trapped 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:56.680 in this apartment and this lady trying to cut her 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:59.479 baby out, and she had to fight her off and 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:02.880 she ended up up having to kill her to get out. 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:07.320 That really pregnant was she No, she was not really pregnant. 1:41:07.320 --> 1:41:09.320 The entire thing was set up and there was all 1:41:09.320 --> 1:41:12.599 this She this girl knew she was unsafe when she 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:15.400 went in. She looked into one of the rooms because 1:41:15.400 --> 1:41:17.000 the woman kept trying to get her to come to 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:19.200 different rooms in the house, and she was like, this 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:21.360 is so weird or whatever. And there was one room 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:25.040 where she looked in and she had people magazine covers 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:28.880 with people's faces scratched out in frames on the bureau 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:32.479 and she was famed framed and she is just like, 1:41:32.520 --> 1:41:35.439 what the fuck is this? And then she slowly realized something. 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:37.559 There's like a bad vibe happening here. 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:39.880 And then the lady came at her with a kitchen 1:41:39.960 --> 1:41:44.640 knife and they basically grappled with a kitchen knife and 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:46.840 they she had to grab the knife with her hand 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:47.920 to get it away. 1:41:48.600 --> 1:41:50.360 Like it's the craziest story. 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:53.400 And this girl then the the police looked into her 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:56.479 because they treated her like a murderer, and they had 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:59.559 to go all the way through the story to actually 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:03.320 find out that this girl was the victim, not the perpetrator. 1:42:03.400 --> 1:42:07.080 She was completely like like, well, and she had defensive 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:11.839 wounds obviously, yeah, yes, exactly. This wasn't like two ladies 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:14.120 fighting or whatever. And also, well, you're eight or nine 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:16.400 month that's not when you do a murder. I think 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.880 you wait a few months and then you do your murders. 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.599 You'll have to speak to it, but you would know, 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:23.400 but I mean, yeah, I would imagine. 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:26.720 Well, we covered a different crime for this, and I 1:42:27.320 --> 1:42:29.280 not that I'm excited to hear about a new crime, 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:32.440 but I this sounds not exciting. 1:42:32.600 --> 1:42:34.439 I don't know, you know what I mean. Great, well, 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:36.479 a better ending than the one we covered. 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:39.800 Yeah, dead rendering and it's first person as opposed to 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:41.679 this kind of horrible thing. 1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:45.080 That happened, you know, yeah, yeah, what. 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:47.519 About Okay, Well, let's ask you the question that everybody 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:50.479 asks us, which is like, do you see an Elliott 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:53.599 Olivia endgame or do you think that they're but like 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:54.559 she deserves better. 1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:58.040 What's your vibe on that. I love the idea. 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.599 That they are, you know, because they've never gotten together 1:43:01.760 --> 1:43:05.519 or like it's all very like close. But nosigar great, Yeah, 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:08.599 because I think it's like it's the old Salmon Diane 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:10.360 thing where it's like you think that's what you want 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:14.400 until it happens. Then you're over there in relationship land boo, 1:43:14.560 --> 1:43:17.760 no one wants it. It's all about unrequited love. All 1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:20.719 of life is about unrequited love. So in my opinion, 1:43:20.800 --> 1:43:25.640 so I think his nobility, his Catholicism, his you know, 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:27.960 I have to be this certain kind of person I am. 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:30.320 I carry the weight to the world on my shoulders. 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:35.160 It would it would actually, I think, demean him or 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:37.720 that character of Elliott Stabler a little bit if he 1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:42.080 did something like that. I think also she it's like 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:44.960 I don't think that's what she really wants. I think 1:43:45.000 --> 1:43:47.799 it's like the easy thing of like grass is greener, 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:51.920 guy at work yeah, I think she deserves better, better 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:56.960 than Elliott Stabler. Yeah yeah, in a way. 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:00.000 There, I need someone that goes to therapy and choose 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:03.200 is her not like my wife died and now I 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.200 guess I'll go for the woman who's had a crush 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.920 on me. I want someone that's like, damn, im, I'm 1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:09.760 in love with Olivia and I'm gonna chase her and 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:11.000 I'm gonna get her and I'm gonna. 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.040 Help raise her kid with her. You know, Yeah, true, 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:13.840 that's what I want. 1:44:14.000 --> 1:44:17.280 But if we're talking Christopher Maloney, yes, we'd all like 1:44:17.400 --> 1:44:18.400 to smash. 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:22.840 Yeah, all wanting to bumb in Stable. Come on, Oh 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:23.280 my god. 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:25.160 One of our listeners just sent us a photo of 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:27.759 him at the Yale Harvard game this weekend, just looking 1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:32.320 like full New England fall day gorgeousness, Like he just 1:44:32.920 --> 1:44:33.479 never missed. 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:35.360 I missed that. I gotta find it. 1:44:35.400 --> 1:44:38.400 Oh it's so good they took it without him noticing, 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:39.479 or else I would have shared it. 1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:43.760 He when I worked on Ellen way back in the 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:47.360 two thousands, he was a guest and I was flipping out. 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:49.519 But I was trying not to tell anybody because like 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:52.040 the you know, I was friends with all the people, 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:53.679 and I was like, I didn't want it to become 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:56.160 like a weird thing where some and the other like, hey, 1:44:56.280 --> 1:44:58.360 come and meet him. I'm like, no, I don't want to. 1:44:58.479 --> 1:44:59.719 I just can't. 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:02.559 Can't we all understand that this is like it's from 1:45:02.600 --> 1:45:05.120 a distance, that's what makes it good. Yeah, him as 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:08.080 a person, he's an actor, Like he's not Elliott Stabler, 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:11.439 he's an actor. But basically, we did stuff at the 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:13.000 top of the show and for some reason, we were 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:16.880 showing people's high school pictures and so we got his 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:19.200 high school like from when he was like a sophomore, 1:45:19.360 --> 1:45:22.040 and it's the funniest fucking seventies he has, Like the 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:24.280 part of the center, he looks like he just pulled 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.439 a comb through his hair and he's just kind of 1:45:26.479 --> 1:45:30.639 like a little dorky. And apparently the producer who had 1:45:30.760 --> 1:45:34.200 him on that episode was like, our head writer loves you, 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:36.519 and he was like, I want a head writer. And 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:38.839 then I was just like, yeah, I'll see it immediately 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:42.599 ruins it. Like all of this entire back and forth 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:44.439 is just like, no, that's not the way it's supposed 1:45:44.439 --> 1:45:48.080 to go. But everyone loved him. He was the greatest, 1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:51.160 Like he was a great guest and super up for whatever, 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:53.439 and thought it was really funny that we were using 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:55.240 his picture. It was supposed to be like embarrassing, and 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:58.200 he loved it. Yeah, nothing can embarrass Maloney. 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:01.080 I feel like, no, he can turn anything into like 1:46:01.200 --> 1:46:02.040 I meant to do that. 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:03.760 I'm hot, Like he doesn't care. 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:07.240 It's just so fun ya, Karen, I've read an interview 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:08.000 of this kind. 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:09.880 You know, you know, if you have any more thoughts 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:11.639 you want to throw in about the episode, like notes 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:13.599 you took, but you don't have to, Like, you know. 1:46:13.800 --> 1:46:15.800 I did love when he grabbed his wife through the 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:19.360 jail bus. It's just like, holy shit, the turn became 1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:22.439 so full in that moment. And I did love that 1:46:22.520 --> 1:46:23.920 he was secretly a Canadian. 1:46:25.520 --> 1:46:25.760 I know. 1:46:26.200 --> 1:46:28.040 They were like, we can't even hide it. It's Martin 1:46:28.120 --> 1:46:29.160 Jordy's so Canadian. 1:46:29.400 --> 1:46:31.200 Yes, and they were doing it was like they're the 1:46:31.240 --> 1:46:34.040 Kennon Barbie Killers. No, no, it's also a baby cut 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:36.320 out of it. Like they they tacked on so many 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:39.240 things right in the last seemingly five minutes. 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:41.160 It was crazy. 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:43.759 Yeah, because I don't Hopefully there hasn't been a story 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:46.040 of a girl who offered her virginity online and then 1:46:46.080 --> 1:46:47.080 got kidnapped. 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.200 You know, hopefully that hasn't happened, but. 1:46:49.560 --> 1:46:52.400 Oh, that's the one thing I was gonna That's what 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:54.800 I was going to say. My favorite part of this 1:46:54.840 --> 1:46:59.200 whole episode was when they were looking at they were 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:03.040 trying to find all the people who may have bitted 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:08.360 on her. Virginity is bidded the right thing. And I 1:47:08.400 --> 1:47:11.040 don't know how I spotted this because there was just 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:14.760 a long list of like user names, and the first 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:16.360 one I saw was Let's Eat Pie. 1:47:16.760 --> 1:47:17.559 Oh my god. 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:22.280 I literally had to rewind it and go look back, 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:24.639 and I was like, it really does say that, yeah, because. 1:47:24.439 --> 1:47:27.120 You're supposed to only be looking at Connie Sewer, but 1:47:27.240 --> 1:47:30.360 Karen really got her eyes wandering and finding. 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:32.360 Some other because the first thing I think of every 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:35.200 anytime I see something like that is some writer had 1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:37.639 to go sit down and write out that list so 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:40.040 that then the like graphics people could go and make 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:43.599 that website. And they were you know, Connie Sore whatever, 1:47:43.680 --> 1:47:46.360 and they were like it's stone or ninety five or whatever. 1:47:46.439 --> 1:47:49.479 But it was like, let's eat capital L, capital E, 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:52.120 capital P. It made me laugh so hard. 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:56.880 Let's eat Pie. Wait what other moments caught your eye. 1:47:56.920 --> 1:47:58.040 These are all so funny. 1:47:59.200 --> 1:48:02.000 Well, I do love it episode with Sister Peg because 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:03.360 that actress has. 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:05.759 Been on TV for You might know her name offhand. 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:06.920 I think I wrote it here somewhere. 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:10.320 Oh yes, her name is Charlene Woodard. H yes, yes, 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:13.360 but she's been on TV for so long. I do 1:48:13.439 --> 1:48:18.520 love the way doctor wang Uh bead Wong is always 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:21.640 he is always piled on with all the expositions, so 1:48:21.720 --> 1:48:25.680 he literally experienced. He's there, he's explaining what micro expressions are, 1:48:25.880 --> 1:48:29.640 he's explaining how psychics trick people. He's explaining. He's like 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:32.920 it's like everyone else is confused about how everything works 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:35.800 in the world, and then he shows up and it's 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:39.880 just like boom, here here, I'll explain how everything works. 1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:42.080 And sometimes he has to talk for so long that 1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:44.280 they just have him kind of they just overlay his 1:48:44.439 --> 1:48:47.400 narration over other things happening in the show because they 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:50.080 can't just show like a two minute shot of Bea 1:48:50.160 --> 1:48:50.759 d Wong. 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:53.519 Just talking just being like the reason he gets the 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:55.840 name the letter J is because his name John and 1:48:55.840 --> 1:48:56.960 Mary are the most comment. 1:48:58.280 --> 1:49:01.719 And to me, he is whatever he says is fact 1:49:01.800 --> 1:49:03.920 to me, like that's bibliography proof. 1:49:04.040 --> 1:49:06.800 Like Box said it, It's true. 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:09.639 We do love Sister Peg and we have our fingers 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:10.360 crossed to get her. 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:12.639 Obviously we have a so what would Sister Peg do segment? 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:14.280 Every week? Yeah, in the wild Thing. 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.320 Do you know the comedian Joe quisala Is that he 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:18.920 makes a lot of videos and stuff. 1:49:19.320 --> 1:49:22.040 Yeah, I've been on his podcast and I've watched a 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:22.839 lot of his stuff. 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:28.360 So his girlfriend shot Sister Peg, Like that's the actress, 1:49:28.400 --> 1:49:30.680 like he texted me out of the blue when we 1:49:30.720 --> 1:49:33.439 started the pod, and so his girlfriend is the actress 1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:35.880 that like Stabler kills and she shoots Sister Peg. 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:37.480 Holy shite. 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:39.559 Yes. And I just met her at a bar like 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:41.600 a month ago at a birthday party and was like, 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:42.040 oh my. 1:49:42.000 --> 1:49:43.240 God, when you shot Sister Peg. 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:45.200 And she's so shy and she did not want to 1:49:45.240 --> 1:49:48.639 talk about it. And then I saw Johnny Pemmerton, who 1:49:48.640 --> 1:49:51.160 had just been the rapist, and I go, hello, you rapist, 1:49:51.200 --> 1:49:53.000 And I'm like, this podcast is taking. 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:57.200 Over my life. I gotta calm down. All the actors 1:49:57.240 --> 1:49:57.920 show up on that. 1:49:58.160 --> 1:50:01.920 So at some point, no, I could tell she gets 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:03.920 worried when I enter her room because she knows I'm 1:50:03.920 --> 1:50:08.200 about to like be line towards It just made me 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:12.120 think once, long, long ago, I had an audition in 1:50:12.200 --> 1:50:15.880 Seam Valley for Law and Order Regular and it was 1:50:16.080 --> 1:50:19.280 just for a protester outside a courthouse. I cannot remember 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:21.519 the line, which is weird because I usually once I 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:24.120 memorize lines, I can't forget them, and if the audition 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:28.000 went particularly badly, I will rethink about the lines over 1:50:28.040 --> 1:50:28.479 the years. 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:30.000 I'm a total lunatic. 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:33.200 The fact that I ever tried acting is ridiculous because 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:37.160 it drives me absolutely insane. But I remember going, like, 1:50:37.240 --> 1:50:40.840 what's the show, and like it was like early enough 1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:44.000 on that I didn't know what my part was or 1:50:44.160 --> 1:50:47.080 what or how it worked. But like two years later 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:49.639 I would have fucking nailed that audition because I'd seen 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:52.240 so many episodes at that point that I would have been. 1:50:52.160 --> 1:50:53.680 Just like, wait, no, what I think? 1:50:54.040 --> 1:50:56.479 Just know that, like you have to just like give 1:50:56.520 --> 1:50:58.559 it all and be in that one moment and then 1:50:58.920 --> 1:51:03.040 that's all you're doing, like interrupting the press conference or whatever. 1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:03.599 I couldn't. 1:51:03.640 --> 1:51:07.519 Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's also out of 1:51:07.520 --> 1:51:11.080 the realm of possibility that SVU will do an episode 1:51:11.080 --> 1:51:14.400 that involves like characters like you, like a character like 1:51:14.439 --> 1:51:15.960 you and Georgia, like a podcaster. 1:51:16.800 --> 1:51:19.480 Well this episode that there was one guy podcaster. 1:51:19.760 --> 1:51:22.559 Yes, Well, so they did this episode recently that people 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:25.040 think is based on Jensen and Holes actually because it's 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:28.040 like a it's like a former cop and a podcaster 1:51:28.560 --> 1:51:31.320 sort of journalist teaming up. Oh and all those people 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:33.240 were like, didn't you guys think this was like Jensen Holes. 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:34.479 I told Jensen about it. 1:51:34.520 --> 1:51:37.439 He hadn't seen episode or it didn't seem to care much, 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:42.200 but but I was like, I could see there being 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:45.479 an episode where like cause you know, where like there's 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:47.720 two characters like you and Georgia that are like true 1:51:47.760 --> 1:51:49.880 crime hosts and there's either something real that happens or 1:51:49.920 --> 1:51:52.000 maybe this is my Law and Order s few specscript 1:51:52.040 --> 1:51:54.400 that I'm giving upway the plot too. Right now, Cut 1:51:54.439 --> 1:51:55.720 this out, Hannah, cut this out. 1:51:56.040 --> 1:51:58.479 Although I would say I would say don't do it, 1:51:58.479 --> 1:52:01.759 because I think that it's like when they do stuff 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:04.120 like that where it's not just like the crimes that 1:52:04.160 --> 1:52:06.840 people know about, but then like it's this kind of 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:08.120 cultural reference. 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:10.559 I think that also takes me out of it when 1:52:10.600 --> 1:52:11.160 I well, like. 1:52:11.120 --> 1:52:13.800 They just did a TikTok murder thing like they are 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:16.599 a rape thing. Excuse me, and like it was everybody 1:52:16.720 --> 1:52:20.120 was like lol SVU tackling TikTok. So, yeah, you're right 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:22.040 in a way, they always they do it. I mean 1:52:22.080 --> 1:52:23.760 I know that there. It's kind of like how they 1:52:23.760 --> 1:52:25.120 stay current or whatever. 1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:27.080 But I'm always just like, anytime I see it, I'm 1:52:27.120 --> 1:52:29.559 just like, all right, I'm fine with just like fight 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:31.920 you find a body behind some garbage cans in New 1:52:32.000 --> 1:52:36.880 York City because truly, as a farm girl from northern California, 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:40.920 I'm just about those brownstones. What's going on in those brownstones? 1:52:41.080 --> 1:52:44.040 How about you get a search warrant and bust open 1:52:44.040 --> 1:52:45.320 the door of that brownstone? 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:49.120 Like please, that's all I want. I'm writing that down. 1:52:49.200 --> 1:52:51.400 What's going on in that brownstone? That is. 1:52:57.600 --> 1:52:57.840 Woo. 1:52:58.120 --> 1:53:00.639 So I hope you enjoyed that little gift from us 1:53:00.680 --> 1:53:02.479 to you, your queen Karen. 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:05.519 And we love talking to Karen. We love Karen. We 1:53:05.560 --> 1:53:06.160 shouldn't wait. 1:53:06.240 --> 1:53:07.960 I wish we asked her what it feels like to 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:08.839 have the name Karen. 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:13.040 But you know, I know, during all this time, Yeah. 1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:15.320 I wonder because I bet there's zero babies called Karen, 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:19.360 Now you don't do it. Have you seen there's like 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:21.880 a Twitter thing where someone was caught like writing to 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:24.920 customer support and the response then at the end wrote Karen, 1:53:24.920 --> 1:53:26.840 and this woman's like, I really don't appreciate you talking 1:53:26.840 --> 1:53:28.840 to me like that, and the woman goes, oh, I'm sorry, no, 1:53:28.920 --> 1:53:29.639 my name is Karen. 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:31.720 It was just me signing off. I don't know if 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:32.240 you've seen that. 1:53:34.680 --> 1:53:36.959 So that episode is obviously a classic. 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:38.960 I'll post mortem. What did we learn? 1:53:39.360 --> 1:53:41.920 I mean, don't get in a car with a husband 1:53:41.920 --> 1:53:43.559 and a wife just because they've got a baby with them, 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:45.879 because you do not know where that baby came from. 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:47.919 Yeah, just don't get into a car. 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:48.960 Yeah. 1:53:49.080 --> 1:53:51.559 Ever, I used to I used to hitchhike. I actually 1:53:51.600 --> 1:53:56.080 really not hitchhike. I sit in Rome. I would get 1:53:56.080 --> 1:53:59.320 into people's cars in Rome, Italy like I would, cause 1:53:59.360 --> 1:54:02.000 there's like I don't know, there's not no crime there, 1:54:02.040 --> 1:54:04.080 but there's not as much body to body crime there, 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:06.080 and so like people would just pick us up and 1:54:06.080 --> 1:54:06.559 take us. 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:07.880 To the bars we were going to. They were just 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:12.880 nice and like I would never trying to you. I would, which. 1:54:12.800 --> 1:54:15.360 Sometimes I know, but I would always be with somebody else. 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:17.040 But one time I was by myself and I got 1:54:17.040 --> 1:54:18.200 into a car with a guy that had a car 1:54:18.240 --> 1:54:20.240 seat in the back of his car, just because I thought, oh, 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:21.640 he's got a kid. And he did just take me 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:24.360 home and it was no big deal. But that's a horrible, 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:27.200 horrible beginning to many many murders stories, because then he 1:54:27.320 --> 1:54:31.240 knows where you live. I was living in a convent. 1:54:31.560 --> 1:54:33.040 I mean, he could have come in. There would have 1:54:33.040 --> 1:54:34.840 been twenty girls. He could have gone after. I guess, 1:54:36.120 --> 1:54:39.440 oh my god, yeah, my semester abroad. I was living 1:54:39.440 --> 1:54:40.040 in a convent. 1:54:40.360 --> 1:54:42.920 But listen, I guess what we could learn is that 1:54:42.960 --> 1:54:44.880 psychics are fake. But I don't believe that, and I 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:46.920 do believe in psychics, and I will be going to 1:54:47.000 --> 1:54:48.800 mediums and psychics for the rest of my life. 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:49.240 In Taro. 1:54:49.800 --> 1:54:53.040 Interesting, Interesting, I'm not a believer. But you know what, 1:54:53.080 --> 1:54:55.720 I've never actually sat with somebody that like changed my mind. 1:54:55.760 --> 1:54:57.280 I would love to say, did you not have a 1:54:57.400 --> 1:55:01.440 nice tarot? Experience? In Balm Springs? Is different to me? Why? 1:55:02.080 --> 1:55:05.480 Because Taro to me is like, here's generally like the 1:55:05.640 --> 1:55:07.920 vibes going on in your life. It's not like your 1:55:07.960 --> 1:55:10.200 brother is talking to you from the beyond, like you 1:55:10.240 --> 1:55:11.720 know what I mean, it's like a little bit. 1:55:11.640 --> 1:55:13.200 Not or like you know. 1:55:13.520 --> 1:55:15.280 I have a medium that I've been wanting to go 1:55:15.320 --> 1:55:18.080 to for a while, and maybe if I'll give myself 1:55:18.120 --> 1:55:20.320 a Christmas gift and I will go and report back 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:23.040 if because I've never met my grandparents ever. They were 1:55:23.040 --> 1:55:25.120 all dead before I was born, and I feel like 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:30.280 if I would love if they can hop on over 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:30.960 from Russia. 1:55:31.360 --> 1:55:33.480 Maybe they have some stuff to say. I don't know. 1:55:33.640 --> 1:55:35.880 That's another thing. How do psychics talk to people that 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:38.160 don't speak English. 1:55:38.600 --> 1:55:41.320 I don't know. I have no idea. How does that work? 1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:43.080 Maybe should? I don't know. We'll see. 1:55:43.080 --> 1:55:49.160 Okay, I'm booking an appointment immediately. I'm booking an appointment asap. 1:55:49.240 --> 1:55:51.840 I really want to. Well, maybe my grandparents won't show up. 1:55:52.080 --> 1:55:53.560 I mean. The reason I found out about. 1:55:53.320 --> 1:55:56.760 This medium is because Busy Phillips was unless Culturistas, a 1:55:56.800 --> 1:55:59.720 podcast we share many top five Spotify lists with with 1:56:00.200 --> 1:56:03.680 so that we're in good company there and her friend 1:56:03.960 --> 1:56:06.680 who was a writer on her show, Shantira had a 1:56:06.720 --> 1:56:11.880 reading and Busy's grandma was in Shantira's reading, and so 1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:14.760 Shantira called Busy and was like, hey, your grandma showed 1:56:14.840 --> 1:56:17.720 up and then called Busy a name that only her 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:19.880 grandma called her and no one else would know about. 1:56:20.560 --> 1:56:21.800 That's incredible. 1:56:21.880 --> 1:56:23.600 So then Busy went to this woman and then I 1:56:23.600 --> 1:56:27.080 messaged Shantira. I got the information. And now maybe now 1:56:27.240 --> 1:56:29.000 I have to do it now that we're like fully 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:30.080 talking about it on the pod. 1:56:30.360 --> 1:56:30.840 Well, I have. 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:33.600 If one of my relatives comes to you during your session, 1:56:33.600 --> 1:56:35.200 please do drop me a text. 1:56:35.200 --> 1:56:37.280 Well, and I was telling you about this other TikTok 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:40.040 I saw now that I'm on TikTok, I hired a 1:56:40.080 --> 1:56:40.760 TikTok guy. 1:56:40.920 --> 1:56:42.320 Come, you know, follow me. 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:45.200 But I was telling you yesterday when we were hanging 1:56:45.200 --> 1:56:47.720 out that like this nurse was talking about how they 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:49.560 can't explain it, but it happens all the time so 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:53.200 much that they put it in family and patient like 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:56.000 information packets when someone is like dying in the hospital 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:59.120 or really sick, and when people are like about to die, 1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:02.280 and that's they they start seeing ghosts. They start seeing 1:57:02.760 --> 1:57:05.520 people from their lives and fully being able to communicate 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:09.360 with relatives and dogs and all this stuff, and no 1:57:09.360 --> 1:57:11.680 one else can see it, but it happens so often. 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:13.839 Yeah, wild. 1:57:13.880 --> 1:57:16.080 So there's got to be you know. So that's why 1:57:16.080 --> 1:57:18.800 I believe in that. I believe there's a lot of 1:57:18.800 --> 1:57:21.560 people lying, like Sebastian Valentine, but I do believe people 1:57:21.680 --> 1:57:23.000 must have some sort of gifts. 1:57:23.120 --> 1:57:24.320 Well, yeah, there's a lot of quacks. 1:57:24.320 --> 1:57:26.880 And actually we were on a podcast called What's Your 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:29.520 Sign Podcast and they recently posted a thing where there 1:57:29.600 --> 1:57:32.520 was an article or something about how all these people 1:57:32.520 --> 1:57:36.200 have been scamming people on Instagram pretending that they're mediums 1:57:36.240 --> 1:57:38.800 and psychics and stuff like that, and they're like trying 1:57:38.840 --> 1:57:41.680 to get the word out like any any legitimate readers, 1:57:41.760 --> 1:57:43.560 not going to ask you for money over DM, like 1:57:43.640 --> 1:57:47.360 don't get scammed. And so, I mean, you know, I 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:49.600 just think it's it must be tough if you are 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:52.120 actually gifted to be able to speak to the beyond, 1:57:52.840 --> 1:57:54.880 to have to compete against so many bullshit artists that 1:57:54.880 --> 1:57:55.440 are out there. 1:57:55.600 --> 1:57:56.600 No, I don't think it's hard. 1:57:56.600 --> 1:57:58.280 I bet there's a lot of loonies like me who 1:57:58.320 --> 1:57:59.960 are willing ready. 1:57:59.680 --> 1:58:07.080 And opening their wallet's why thrilled? Why don't I just 1:58:07.520 --> 1:58:11.600 give you access to my venmo? So way anything else 1:58:11.640 --> 1:58:13.960 from this episode, I mean basically. 1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:14.960 Where we're anti death penalty. 1:58:14.960 --> 1:58:17.840 I mean, we've said at one thousand, Martin is so talented, 1:58:18.000 --> 1:58:19.280 Martin Short's very talented. 1:58:19.600 --> 1:58:22.200 Maloney and Cragan we're very funny. I mean, I don't know, 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:24.760 I'm sick of learning stuff. Can I say that I'm done? Yeah, 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:25.360 I'm done learning. 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:27.280 That's fine, you don't have to take Well, we're canceling 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:29.440 this section of the podcast at least it doesn't want 1:58:29.440 --> 1:58:32.440 to do it anymore. But we also wanted to let 1:58:32.440 --> 1:58:34.560 you guys know there's gonna be a little shake up 1:58:34.560 --> 1:58:40.240 over here at team that's messed up, and our intrepid producer, 1:58:40.320 --> 1:58:43.800 Hannah is moving upward and onward at the exactly right 1:58:43.800 --> 1:58:47.560 company and will unable to be continue producing our podcast, 1:58:47.600 --> 1:58:50.240 but we'll be still working with us, you know, tangentially 1:58:50.280 --> 1:58:52.840 as a big ass boss lady. So we want to 1:58:52.880 --> 1:58:55.720 say thank you to Hannah for everything she's done for us. 1:58:55.840 --> 1:58:58.960 She's been an amazing producer for this full year. And 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:03.720 we want to welcome our amazing former sound engineer current producer, 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:06.960 Annalise Nelson, who will be our current producer, and we're 1:59:06.960 --> 1:59:09.560 so excited to work with them and cannot wait to 1:59:09.680 --> 1:59:10.720 kick the journey off. 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:13.080 But we'll still keep the group chat. We'll keep the 1:59:13.080 --> 1:59:15.680 group chat. Yeah, the group chat will still probably be 1:59:15.840 --> 1:59:16.400 in effect. 1:59:16.680 --> 1:59:19.280 Tanna, do you want any final words? Do you want 1:59:19.280 --> 1:59:20.560 to tell everyone your new title? 1:59:20.880 --> 1:59:25.560 No, I'm still booking your guests, so I'll be in 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:26.600 the group chat with you. 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:29.000 So if you're still wondering how did they get so 1:59:29.160 --> 1:59:32.240 and so, that's still going to be Hannah, but Analise 1:59:32.320 --> 1:59:35.240 will be the one that's tippity tapping and finding out 1:59:36.280 --> 1:59:38.680 answers to questions that we should have researched ourselves. 1:59:38.760 --> 1:59:40.560 Well, I was noticing already. 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:43.720 The difference is because we were recording Heinous Crime this 1:59:43.800 --> 1:59:46.240 week and Annalise was having a hard time. 1:59:48.520 --> 1:59:51.520 Oh yeah, the facial expressions from Analise are much more. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:55.920 Analise covering eyes their head was like going back deep size. 1:59:56.320 --> 1:59:59.120 There was a lot of It was really funny. 1:59:59.160 --> 2:00:02.760 Usually Hannah's just typing and looking into a distance. No, 2:00:03.280 --> 2:00:06.680 but it was just funny to see how affected on 2:00:06.720 --> 2:00:10.000 release was and how we weren't not It was a 2:00:10.040 --> 2:00:12.920 sad moment of it was a very sad thing we 2:00:13.000 --> 2:00:13.280 got here. 2:00:13.400 --> 2:00:16.280 Yeah, of course, of course we're really happy to welcome 2:00:16.280 --> 2:00:21.880 a producer that has emotions. We're excited, but a huge 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.160 thank you to Hannah and a huge welcome to on 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:28.120 Aalise in their new role, and we're really excited. Let's 2:00:28.480 --> 2:00:31.800 plug forward to what would Sister Peg do this week? 2:00:32.040 --> 2:00:34.000 This is our weekly segment where we give you guys 2:00:34.120 --> 2:00:37.320 a website and organization, a book, an articles, something that 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:40.360 can give you more information on what we talked about today, 2:00:40.360 --> 2:00:42.960 because Lord knows, we are not fucking experts in anything. 2:00:43.680 --> 2:00:46.280 This week we're going to highlight the Cornell's Center on 2:00:46.360 --> 2:00:50.080 the Death Penalty Worldwide from Cornell Law School. Their website 2:00:50.160 --> 2:00:53.879 is death Penaltyworldwide dot org. Their mission is to provide 2:00:54.040 --> 2:00:57.280 transparent data on death penalty laws and practices around the world. 2:00:57.600 --> 2:01:01.280 They publish reports and manuals on issues of practical relevance 2:01:01.280 --> 2:01:04.600 to lawyers, judges, policymakers, and they train lawyers in best 2:01:04.640 --> 2:01:09.080 practices and engage in targeted advocacy and litigation. So I'm 2:01:09.080 --> 2:01:12.360 always interested in when this country is going to move 2:01:12.360 --> 2:01:14.800 away from the death penalty, hopefully other countries will will 2:01:14.800 --> 2:01:17.840 follow suit. So go to Death Penalty Worldwide dot org 2:01:17.920 --> 2:01:20.320 if you want more information about all that. 2:01:20.960 --> 2:01:24.640 And next week's episode is going to be Pathological Season 2:01:24.760 --> 2:01:26.360 nineteen episode ten. 2:01:27.120 --> 2:01:28.000 It's a good one. 2:01:28.360 --> 2:01:33.360 It's a goodie peacock, you know the drill DVR. 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