Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies these episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, a
Speaker 1: SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara and I am Lisa, and it is.
Speaker 1: Our one year anniversary. We're so excited we are.
Speaker 2: And in this podcast if you just decided to join
Speaker 2: us today because we're on everyone's Spotify top five lists,
Speaker 2: we talk about an episode of SVU and then the
Speaker 2: true crime it's based on, and then we interview a
Speaker 2: guest from the episode. Today is an extra special twist
Speaker 2: on the classic and we're just so grateful for all
Speaker 2: of you, and it's truly like mind boggling.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yes, I meant to post on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: I know it's been Thanksgivings now like a week gone
Speaker 1: by or so, but like I meant to post being like,
Speaker 1: we're so thankful for all of you.
Speaker 3: So I'll just say it here.
Speaker 1: We are really thankful, like you guys all sharing your
Speaker 1: the number of minutes that you guys have been watching
Speaker 1: dedicating to this, Like I mean somebody said to the
Speaker 1: screenshot that said twenty one thousand minutes of listening to us,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't think my mom has
Speaker 1: listened to me that much in my life, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's just really awesome.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and usually whenever I guess on other podcasts,
Speaker 2: it's like this bitch is so annoying, her voice sucks,
Speaker 2: and so it is. It's a nice it's a nice
Speaker 2: flip flop of like, these people are just listening to
Speaker 2: our soothing voices.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty exciting and I'm just not used to it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: San Francisco is very, very fun, and I was talking
Speaker 2: about how people were just so fucking excited to see me,
Speaker 2: and our friend Lauren was like, it's like you're complaining
Speaker 2: about being too skinny, and I'm like, no, I'm not complaining.
Speaker 3: This is just a whole new world, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, usually I just for people who got free tickets,
Speaker 2: and now people were truly heckling me, yelling Rosie.
Speaker 1: I was trying to do a joke and people just
Speaker 1: started going Rosie like from all.
Speaker 2: Over the room at the punchline, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we love Rosie, but you did ruin my joke and
Speaker 2: I look at Yeah, but we love Rosie Moore. No,
Speaker 2: And I didn't take a shot with one girl. She
Speaker 2: really wanted to take a shot. I'm so sorry I
Speaker 2: did not take a shot with you. I had to
Speaker 2: go smoke weed.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you and I do have the sign
Speaker 1: that you made so thank you so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the best kind of sign to be made about you.
Speaker 1: Please do a shot.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And we have presents. People brought you presents.
Speaker 2: I still haven't given it to you, but we'll shout
Speaker 2: we'll shout out the candles. Yeah, we have a lot
Speaker 2: to talk about. Yeah, we have so much going on
Speaker 2: weeks because obviously Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you guys think we record the night before.
Speaker 1: You're like, make sure you add this, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the day before, You'll be like, I hope you
Speaker 1: talk about this.
Speaker 3: It's like we recorded this a while ago. Secret.
Speaker 2: So we have to go backwards. So we have to
Speaker 2: go to your uncle's memorial. You were in New York
Speaker 2: for forty eight hours. Yeah, so I went to New
Speaker 2: York for forty eight hours. I went out to dinner
Speaker 2: with my friends. They kept being like.
Speaker 1: Child free Kara, like they kept like cheersing because like
Speaker 1: it is really fun to be in New York without
Speaker 1: your family, Like it's super I love New York so much.
Speaker 1: And I went back for a sad occasion. My uncle
Speaker 1: passed away in March. We were finally able to do
Speaker 1: a memorial for him. And he's sort of like well
Speaker 1: known in like comedy from the seventies and stuff. He
Speaker 1: was part of National Lampoon and he worked on Spy
Speaker 1: Magazine and all these funny things that and uh so
Speaker 1: Number one Alec Baldwin was at the memorial, which I
Speaker 1: was like, this is wild. And he went up to
Speaker 1: my cousin who had just given a speech, and goes, uh,
Speaker 1: you killed And I was like, sir, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you should be using that language quite so soon,
Speaker 1: But anyway, it.
Speaker 3: Was cool that he was.
Speaker 1: It was cool that he came to pay his respects
Speaker 1: to my uncle even though he's in the middle of
Speaker 1: a very tragic moment in his life. But also when
Speaker 1: I first this is only gonna matter to like the
Speaker 1: five percent of this podcast audience that watches Organized Crime,
Speaker 1: one of the first people I see when I walk
Speaker 1: in is the fucking Albi's wife, the woman that Maloney
Speaker 1: is banging in OC when he's undercover.
Speaker 3: Her.
Speaker 1: The actress is Lolita Davidovich, and she's been in tons
Speaker 1: of stuff. She's married to Ron Shelton, who is a
Speaker 1: director who's made like White Men Can't Jump Tin Cup,
Speaker 1: like all these iconic sports movies.
Speaker 3: And he made a movie with my uncle and that's
Speaker 3: why he was there.
Speaker 1: And he spoke, and then I went up to his wife,
Speaker 1: like obviously after I chugged two glasses of wine right
Speaker 1: after we got to the reception, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta to talk to you. I watch I watch OC.
Speaker 1: You're so great. I was like, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of order podcast. I need you to come and be
Speaker 1: on it. You need to be on SVU. And she
Speaker 1: was like, how would I do that because I don't
Speaker 1: know spoilers, but like her character just got arrested. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, girl, they'd bring you back. She's
Speaker 1: like the same character. I go the girl, they'd bring
Speaker 1: you back to somebody different, Like you could come on
Speaker 1: as like a madam or something like you you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't get all, don't get hung up in the
Speaker 1: continuity of it. All because lord knows, they're not over
Speaker 1: it as for you. So I talked to her two times.
Speaker 1: A second time I went over when we made eye
Speaker 1: contact and I was like, Okay, I just got to
Speaker 1: ask you about making.
Speaker 3: Out with Malone.
Speaker 1: Yeah that, and and she goes, I mean I was
Speaker 1: just staring at his pecks the whole time. I mean
Speaker 1: he's huge, and I was like, girl, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I would be doing. But yeah, she was
Speaker 1: super sweet and was like giving me some tea, but
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I had had a lot of
Speaker 1: red wine, and so I think she was just mostly
Speaker 1: saying about the pecks and then she was just telling
Speaker 1: me how cool he.
Speaker 3: Is star studded.
Speaker 2: And then this can't be confirmed, but oh that's what
Speaker 2: we need to talk about.
Speaker 3: House of Gucci. Okay.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Kara, our friend Lauren and I we did
Speaker 2: see House of Gucci. And I am ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: sure that Billie Eilish was at the movie theater with
Speaker 2: her family. She lives in our neighborhood. She would have
Speaker 2: gone to this old timey theater and she was wearing
Speaker 2: a hood and a mask. But those eyes are recognizable
Speaker 2: him anywhere, and you know, We obviously did not approach
Speaker 2: her in anyway.
Speaker 3: She's a teen, but I was I ran into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It was either Billie Eilish or somebody in serious Billie
Speaker 1: Eilish cosactly.
Speaker 2: And then also some people were wanting to know, did
Speaker 2: I smoke weed with my nephew. Unfortunately he was a
Speaker 2: little busy and preoccupied. But I did smoke weed with
Speaker 2: his roommate, so I did. I was hanging out with
Speaker 2: his college roommate because my nephew only wanted to hang
Speaker 2: out with his girlfriend, who is a listener of the
Speaker 2: podcast Hello Too.
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to ask. That was my follow
Speaker 3: up question.
Speaker 1: Has he made it to Thanksgiving break with his high
Speaker 1: school girlfriend?
Speaker 3: High school? Well, girlfriend from high school? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah she was at Thanksgiving? Okay, okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. That looks good. That looks good. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying sometimes they don't make it to the holidays. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. No, I love you, girl, I hope
Speaker 1: that you guys you and Benji forever. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they're obsessed.
Speaker 3: Truly.
Speaker 2: I don't think he hung out with anyone else in
Speaker 2: his family except for her, and so since I am
Speaker 2: kind of alone, and then this college roommate was alone.
Speaker 2: I did have to smoke weed with his college roommate
Speaker 2: multiple times.
Speaker 1: Who at least you didn't hook up with him. One
Speaker 1: time I looked up with one of my brother's friend.
Speaker 1: I hooked up with one of my brother's friends. My
Speaker 1: brother's nine years younger than me. I hooked up with
Speaker 1: one of his friends on a college break when I
Speaker 1: was out of college. They were in college, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is too young. I shouldn't have done that. No,
Speaker 1: that wasn't even on my mind. It was just to
Speaker 1: make out. Just everybody knows. But still no that that
Speaker 1: was not happening in the streets.
Speaker 3: Probably twenty and I was twenty nine. I'm not judging you,
Speaker 3: but it was.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't a related I think, just like someone
Speaker 2: in college, because when I was in my late twenties,
Speaker 2: I did hook up with someone that was twenty two.
Speaker 2: But the mom asked me to hook up with him,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, your thing's weirder, dude.
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, I think I've talked about in the pod.
Speaker 2: I was after a show and the mom's like, why
Speaker 2: aren't you giving my son attention. He's hot and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's fucking hot, and then she hugged us, and then
Speaker 2: I hugged Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good adult. Oh.
Speaker 2: Also in San Francisco, I met someone who did bring
Speaker 2: me a joint, thank you so much. And their cousin
Speaker 2: is the Angel of Death, the nurse who is killing
Speaker 2: people in the New England with the shots at the
Speaker 2: VFW hospital.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Her mom was a listener of the pod and was
Speaker 2: like hey to her daughter, like you should listen.
Speaker 3: They're talking about our murderous cousin.
Speaker 2: So but who writes some letters and cards to them
Speaker 2: constantly for holidays and stuff. So they get mail from
Speaker 2: prison from the Angel of dah. Wow. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: not remembering her name. We covered too many crimes. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm like that was that like eight months ago? I
Speaker 3: don't remember. It was the episode Vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Yes. Also today on Twitter, an actress wrote to us
Speaker 1: and said, I was the dead girl Gloria in Scavenger,
Speaker 1: the one who was found underneath all the flowers. Whoa
Speaker 1: she goes number one. I was seventeen, playing a thirty
Speaker 1: year old single mom.
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's wild.
Speaker 1: She was like, I was also in like a thong
Speaker 1: and case underneath all these flowers. And she said that
Speaker 1: that Mariska Hargata, when she like kind of pulled the
Speaker 1: flowers away, was like, don't worry, I won't let your
Speaker 1: girls out or something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, marisch Kah, keep.
Speaker 1: Going keep And then the last thing I asked her
Speaker 1: was I was like, did they really write on your
Speaker 1: foot like that?
Speaker 3: And she like with the riddle or was that like
Speaker 3: a foot double?
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, they did it like twice,
Speaker 1: like once in Sharpie and Munch came out and was
Speaker 1: like making all these jokes about it. I was like,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you lived the absolute best dead body
Speaker 1: dream of anybody on his view.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it tickled. I don't know how it
Speaker 2: would be laughing out. I bet the writing, no, Marishka.
Speaker 2: Some people were sending us videos that, like some fans
Speaker 2: were trying to talk to her, and she was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta call my husband, I'll be right out.
Speaker 3: And I just like loved that so much. And then in.
Speaker 2: Washington Square Park she like went up to be well,
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, can you guys just like turn down
Speaker 2: the music because it doesn't really work with our scene,
Speaker 2: but I'll hang out with you and then everyone's like,
Speaker 2: we love her, so she is like out and about.
Speaker 2: And then one of my great friends, Jake Wilson, he's
Speaker 2: like one of the top sex in the city fans.
Speaker 2: I would say that, I know, And they were shooting
Speaker 2: just like that on his block. So we got to
Speaker 2: see Miranda and Brady shooting, and I was like, if
Speaker 2: anyone deserves this, it's fucking Jake Wilson.
Speaker 1: So wait, I'm sorry, how old would Brady be now?
Speaker 1: Like fifteen? I think he's going to college.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I think that was the vibe of the scene from
Speaker 2: a distance, from an instant story. I don't know, like
Speaker 2: I'm just making wild accusations, but that is that is
Speaker 2: what I think. And obviously today was such an exciting
Speaker 2: day to wait. I mean, you'll, you know, everyone's sending
Speaker 2: us the Spotify. But it would be weird if we
Speaker 2: did not touch upon fucking abortion Alice see Bolt, and
Speaker 2: I think there was something else. There's just a lot
Speaker 2: of horrific things, so it would be weird not to
Speaker 2: touch on it.
Speaker 3: But it is our party episode, so I don't know
Speaker 3: what to do.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would direct people to shout your abortion
Speaker 1: Jane's d process is specifically Texas, but they have other
Speaker 1: information and it's just like, you know, it's like abortions
Speaker 1: are still gonna happen. People just keep actively. Conservatives think
Speaker 1: that like they're gonna stop abortions from happening. They're so good, No,
Speaker 1: they don't care happen safely.
Speaker 2: They actually don't care about abortion. Politicians do not care.
Speaker 2: They are doing this for their psychotic fan bases and
Speaker 2: they know it's not gonna stop abortion well, and they.
Speaker 1: Don't care even the people, even the people, okay, the
Speaker 1: fan base that ye like if they they think that
Speaker 1: all these babies are gonna like sprout wings and be
Speaker 1: angels living among us, and it's just like that's not
Speaker 1: what's happening.
Speaker 3: People are still gonna get abortions.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna be doing it with pills they get
Speaker 1: off the internet that might not be approved, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not gonna be safe, and so
Speaker 1: you're really just creating like a healthcare crisis for women.
Speaker 2: And a lot of those the comments I was seeing
Speaker 2: online that I agree with was just like how flippant
Speaker 2: they're talking about how like just give it up for adoption.
Speaker 3: Just do it.
Speaker 2: And it's like, pregnancy sucks and it is a hard thing.
Speaker 2: Labor is an intense thing. Stop forcing women to I
Speaker 2: mean for slabor, Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, pregnancy, force labor. It's all.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't want anything to be born to somebody that
Speaker 1: doesn't want it. You shouldn't want that. So that's women
Speaker 1: should have this option, and we will. We will continue
Speaker 1: to have this option. It's just going to be terrible
Speaker 1: when people have to travel to you know, better states
Speaker 1: or I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there's an SVU episode I forgot what it's called
Speaker 2: where the girl like kept punching herself and doing all
Speaker 2: this stuff because she went to the fake abortion clinic
Speaker 2: that was tricking her.
Speaker 3: I actually just watched that.
Speaker 2: One this week, but maybe well we'll leave lovely Bones
Speaker 2: for next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's enough.
Speaker 2: But I also went to aw Thanksgiving wrestling match in
Speaker 2: Chicago to watch my friend Cult Cabana, and it was incredible.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like, I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: wrestling for over twenty years and probably since he was
Speaker 2: a kid, you know too, Like he's just loved it
Speaker 2: his whole life and This was the biggest match of
Speaker 2: his career, and to be able to be there was
Speaker 2: really special.
Speaker 1: I love how you compare it to drag because I've
Speaker 1: never really been into wrestling, but I'm so into drag
Speaker 1: and I feel like, now that I know how similar
Speaker 1: they are, I really need to go, like see Russell.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I would like get the pageantry.
Speaker 3: Yes, next time we're here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I brought my friend Veronica is a big
Speaker 2: Drag Race fan, and she kept being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: so much acting. Oh, there's pyrotechnics. There's a guy in
Speaker 2: full velvet and glitter. They're naked, they're oiled, they're sexy.
Speaker 1: I mean some of these guys are very fucking hot,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're doing bat clips and they're good guys,
Speaker 1: bad guys, and they're like pretending to get her and
Speaker 1: they're not.
Speaker 2: They are hurt, it's just in a different hurt way.
Speaker 2: But and you hear the slaps. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: just incredible. Ten thousand people in Chicago and it was
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, very exciting. I don't know, I wish
Speaker 2: I had more deets.
Speaker 3: We had a big couple of weeks, you and me, we.
Speaker 2: Did we did. It was funny yesterday. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm so tired, and you were like, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 3: I believe. Yeah. I was like, that's not weird.
Speaker 1: You have been into two cities in five minutes each,
Speaker 1: like you know, like it's really like you live a
Speaker 1: hectic life.
Speaker 3: Jet said yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I read the line where it's the Lord,
Speaker 2: the whatever, it's the Catholic Cross thing with the house.
Speaker 3: Father's son and the Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was improvised by Lady Gaga in the House
Speaker 1: of Gucci. That was improvised, girl. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what line you're talking about. I fell asleep for
Speaker 1: so much of that movie.
Speaker 3: But it's in the car. Yeah, the what is it?
Speaker 3: The God? Lord? What is the Why don't I know what?
Speaker 3: This is?
Speaker 1: God's Son in the and the House of Gucci. She
Speaker 1: improvised it.
Speaker 3: Oh, she says, Father's son in the House of Gucci.
Speaker 1: You've never seen this, no, I girl, I went to Okay,
Speaker 1: everyone should know that we went to this movie together.
Speaker 1: I got too high and I fell asleep for large
Speaker 1: chunks of it, so I do not know what happens.
Speaker 1: I was trying to read recaps of it yesterday and
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't even know that. I didn't
Speaker 1: even I don't remember Jared Leto being in the movie.
Speaker 2: Well he was also in prosthetics, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you heard, but he was like my friend was
Speaker 2: selling yesterday that he did an interview where he was like,
Speaker 2: my blood was olive oil, my heart was Marinera, and
Speaker 2: like went on this tirade about how he became Italian
Speaker 2: but only using like Italian snacks, Like I don't know
Speaker 2: it was. I really don't like him, and I have
Speaker 2: a fantasy I really want to meet him and pretend
Speaker 2: I don't know who he is because I think he
Speaker 2: would get really upset.
Speaker 3: I think that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Jared Letto like on a silent retreat when COVID
Speaker 1: happened and he like came out and was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: That track? So hard for me.
Speaker 1: But I will say also with House of Gucci, the
Speaker 1: accents took me out of it, but I.
Speaker 3: Am gonna watch it again. Yeah, it's camp, it's drag.
Speaker 3: You know it's camp. Baby give us the Thanksgiving Tree.
Speaker 1: Well, all the reviews are saying that even if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, Gaga is worth it, like she's great
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean not everything has to be the
Speaker 2: best thing you've ever seen. That's another thing where it's
Speaker 2: like this sucks, this is amazing. Some things are just
Speaker 2: a great time, you know what I mean. Like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a fucking five star Oscar movie.
Speaker 1: I don't care well, speaking of a great time, the
Speaker 1: rest of this episode is gonna fucking knock out.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a great episode.
Speaker 1: I've got a great episode and a great guest, So
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, all right.
Speaker 2: So we're at season six, episode eighteen, a horrific classic.
Speaker 2: I would say one of the best twists.
Speaker 1: I think I've maybe seen this one the most of
Speaker 1: any episode.
Speaker 3: I've just seen it so many times.
Speaker 2: Not me, I actually haven't seen it enough where Throughout
Speaker 2: the episode, I kept being like, like, even in my notes,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this happened.
Speaker 3: Never mind, it's changed.
Speaker 2: Like I kept being surprised by this episode. There's like
Speaker 2: so much fun.
Speaker 1: There's a part where Martin Short uses a weird word
Speaker 1: and I knew.
Speaker 3: Before he said it.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's about to say this weird word,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say in case you're making
Speaker 1: a Yeah, maybe, I hope you know where it is.
Speaker 1: I wonder I'm trying to like, do I remember if
Speaker 1: there was a weird word. I know exactly where it is.
Speaker 3: I'll bring it up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is kind of like Nardi Lee where
Speaker 2: it's like, this is the Martin short episode.
Speaker 3: Do we need to call it pure? I don't know, right,
Speaker 3: Marty's here.
Speaker 2: So it starts off with a blonde, long haired girl
Speaker 2: and she's wearing a lavender silk dress. Obviously reminds me
Speaker 2: of our Jessica mcclint talk Fever dream that we've created. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really in. Yeah, it was incredible how many people
Speaker 2: were connected by this woman. And I wish we got
Speaker 2: to tell her before she died. But anyways, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you know, lavender silk. She's obviously going to a dance,
Speaker 2: and she has tears in her eyes and then we hear, oh, Chloe,
Speaker 2: calm down, you're gonna be fine. So few if she's
Speaker 2: not crying, because you know, she's being twirled in a
Speaker 2: taken situation to be bid on by people just her
Speaker 2: mom hemming the dress. So that is amazing, But why
Speaker 2: are you saving the hemming till the last minute.
Speaker 3: This is not good. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: And also like your boyfriend's are gonna break up with
Speaker 1: you because you're not ready for a dance. She's very
Speaker 1: stressed out, but I guess that's like teenings or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so her mother's having the dress, the date's gonna
Speaker 2: be there any second, and it is her first dance.
Speaker 2: And I do have pictures from my turnabout dance in
Speaker 2: high school where you could tell I was hysterically crying,
Speaker 2: like I, oh, are you confused about turnabouts? Like when
Speaker 2: the girls ask.
Speaker 1: The boys, oh a Sadie Hawkins, Yeah, but we call
Speaker 1: it turnabout and so but I just went with a
Speaker 1: group of girls, but none of the outfits were working,
Speaker 1: and I was having mental breakdowns and I was just like,
Speaker 1: and all the photos are my friends looking normal? And
Speaker 1: then I have full red eyes and like, I understand
Speaker 1: this girl.
Speaker 3: I was crying, Okay, yeah, yeah, I totally get.
Speaker 1: I get the stress of like everything looks terrible, but
Speaker 1: she just seems.
Speaker 3: So worried about her boyfriend. I was like, he doesn't
Speaker 3: matter that much, but yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we went to Hula Hans I remember and
Speaker 2: the post that was too spicy, but I didn't want
Speaker 2: to send it back.
Speaker 3: I had a rough turn about, a rough turn about.
Speaker 2: And she also has lavender eye shadow, which is very
Speaker 2: Season six energy. What is that two thousand and seven? Like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's very that. So the phone rings and the girls
Speaker 2: like get it, get it, it's my date, and the mom's.
Speaker 3: Like, chill out, bitch, like play it cool.
Speaker 1: The machine will pick up, you know, play the game,
Speaker 1: and uh oh, the machine does pick up, but it's
Speaker 1: like a deep, deep, dark voice, and the voice on
Speaker 1: the machine goes, your daughter is such a hot piece
Speaker 1: of ass, best sex I ever had.
Speaker 3: She's a screamer. Did you know? That made me crazy?
Speaker 3: So that's not good. That's not good.
Speaker 2: And the mom is like, if you're a this is
Speaker 2: your friends, I'm gonna kill them. This isn't funny. And
Speaker 2: she's like maybe it's one of Kaylee's dumb friends. Go
Speaker 2: fuck yourself. And then it Dawn's on the mom like
Speaker 2: where is your sister? I haven't seen her in a while.
Speaker 2: So the mom calls Kaylee and it is not good.
Speaker 2: Basically it's Kaylee.
Speaker 1: She's taped like, she has masking tape on her mouth,
Speaker 1: A gloved hand is holding her silver flip phone up,
Speaker 1: and so the mom can hear the daughter being tied
Speaker 1: up and taped and like you know, making noises and
Speaker 1: the phone and so obviously there's trouble.
Speaker 2: And then the voice that we heard earlier goes, Kaylee
Speaker 2: can't come to the phone. She's tied up right now.
Speaker 2: I don't like when these killers are trying to do
Speaker 2: puns and little riddles.
Speaker 3: I don't like that. So then that's the credits.
Speaker 2: We enter the credits while Kaylee is thrashing and crying,
Speaker 2: so not good. So then we come back from the credits.
Speaker 2: We're at the precinct. It's a very casual dress day. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's probably the weekend or a friday, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: think they were planning on working, because I've never seen
Speaker 2: Craigan not in a suit coat ever, and he's just
Speaker 2: wearing like a dressed shirt with like the top buttons
Speaker 2: on button and Stabler's wearing a T shirt and a flannel.
Speaker 2: Ice is in all blacks, so with a chain like
Speaker 2: this is an off day, okay, this is They are not.
Speaker 2: They did not plan to come to work. So the
Speaker 2: mom's been calling every ten minutes and they're annoyed by her,
Speaker 2: but what else is she supposed to do? Her child
Speaker 2: is missing and she heard her thrashing, so yeah, I
Speaker 2: would be calling SVU pretty often too. So they're like,
Speaker 2: who's the last person to see her? A clerk at
Speaker 2: the county courthouse. She's a bike messenger for a law
Speaker 2: firm where Langham works, so Trevor Langen aka mister hargat Day,
Speaker 2: mister Benson whatever. So she's working for a defense attorney.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of exciting. So the boys are chatting,
Speaker 2: they're trying to the case when the phone rings and
Speaker 2: it's Olivia, and Olivia's like, turn on the TV. They
Speaker 2: cut to Olivia and she's with Trevor and the mom
Speaker 2: and of missing Kayley, and they're doing like up, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a press conference, and they're arguing about it
Speaker 2: in a walk and talk at the law offices, and
Speaker 2: Olivia is trying to convince them like, please do not
Speaker 2: do this press conference.
Speaker 3: We have to control the information.
Speaker 2: And Trevor's like, there is no information, so that'll be easy,
Speaker 2: your fucking dead beats, and the mom's like, listen, she's
Speaker 2: been missing sixteen hours.
Speaker 3: You haven't done anything.
Speaker 2: I have to tell the public, and I'm on the
Speaker 2: Mom and Trevor's side here, like you guys have no information.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to the public like I'm on their side.
Speaker 2: I'm not on team Benson here.
Speaker 3: How are Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wonder why they're not tracking the cell phone. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that feels like they could
Speaker 1: be doing. I'd also like to mention that this is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Olivia haircuts.
Speaker 3: I love this. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I really like it. You don't like it?
Speaker 2: No, I actually avoided talking about it for so long
Speaker 2: Or is that the next Yeah, I avoided talking about
Speaker 2: it for so long. It's because at the end I
Speaker 2: go listen. I'm sorry to say I hate this haircut.
Speaker 2: She looks like Sean Cassidy, like a teen heart throb
Speaker 2: from the sixties.
Speaker 3: It's crames her facing.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because she's so pretty that in the
Speaker 1: season it's also had rassy highlights.
Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know if I knew this,
Speaker 3: David Calm Lisa, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first time, because I even like the pixie cut
Speaker 2: more than like. This is truly my least favorite Benson hairdoo.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's cute. I guess we'll have
Speaker 2: to put a pole up. Oh yeah, okay, let's do
Speaker 2: a pole. Let's do a pole. So the mom is
Speaker 2: talking about how Kayleie is such a good person and
Speaker 2: works hard here at the office to say for tuition,
Speaker 2: she wants to go to NYU and become a lawyer.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this has to do with anything.
Speaker 2: Does this make me like her more? She has a daye.
Speaker 2: I just I don't get this little well.
Speaker 1: It's also like whenever they set it up too, like
Speaker 1: she's never even had a drink. It's like, bitch, your
Speaker 1: daughter's like nineteen, she's had a drink.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like whenever the mom is talking about how good
Speaker 1: the kid is, and I'm not saying this kid did
Speaker 1: anything bad, but like we're going to find out something
Speaker 1: she did that's not like textbook good. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it also just like so if she drank, she
Speaker 2: it's not as sad.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It's like the sentiment behind it also is confusing to me.
Speaker 3: So there's a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of press and they're asking questions, and you know,
Speaker 2: the press conference is underway, and Olivia is interrupted by
Speaker 2: the office manager who's a woman with pearl earrings, a
Speaker 2: dark red lip, and a side part low ponytail, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I need to talk to you, so they
Speaker 2: scurry off together.
Speaker 1: If this actress was listening to this podcast, she'd be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I never thought anyone would give me so much attention.
Speaker 1: I'm in this I'm in this episode for two seconds.
Speaker 1: And Lisa is like perfectly describing her.
Speaker 3: I loved her.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's because of all my reception
Speaker 2: in years. I just have some respect. And I realized
Speaker 2: the office manager is also from Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: Obviously I can't stop and she do you remember this episode?
Speaker 2: It was like when Carrie is obviously broke and then
Speaker 2: Charlotte goes to return her diamond ring and then the
Speaker 2: woman there is like she uses a bad word that
Speaker 2: would not be allowed on television.
Speaker 3: Did she say we'll bleep it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: She goes, Oh, I after I got a divorce, I
Speaker 2: turned my ring and to a bag it because my
Speaker 2: husband was a.
Speaker 1: Get was the written written by a gay man? A
Speaker 1: thousand percuit yay. So if she looked familiar to you,
Speaker 1: she was the one at the jewelry store in the
Speaker 1: episode where we find out Carrie is so broke.
Speaker 2: But they cut back to the press conference and you know,
Speaker 2: Trevor's like, listen, we'll give you ten grand if you
Speaker 2: have any information that brings this Kaylee, and the mom
Speaker 2: does the classic like we'll give you anything, anything, But
Speaker 2: it's like, what does he want? What does he want?
Speaker 2: You're se inkit like it's you got nothing. Your daughter
Speaker 2: has to work for tuition. You have nothing to offer
Speaker 2: these people. So all of SVU is now huddled around
Speaker 2: the TV and they're watching this, and so they and
Speaker 2: so then at in the press conference, you know, Trevor's like,
Speaker 2: and if you have any tips, called the SVU tip line.
Speaker 2: So then the SVU people are watching it and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh great. So they're getting ready for the calls, and
Speaker 2: Kraigan's like, nobody goes home.
Speaker 3: We're all working. Over time, there's going to be a.
Speaker 1: Lot of leads, especially from the fruit Loop Brigade.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that is that merch?
Speaker 2: I mean, is that what we call the listeners the
Speaker 2: fruit loop Brigade?
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to be our fruit loops?
Speaker 1: Even though it is an outdated reference to mental health,
Speaker 1: we just like it in general.
Speaker 3: Let us know, we'll put up another pole.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just love the cereals so much that it
Speaker 2: didn't occur to me that it was like a slur.
Speaker 3: I think that's what is so great about you.
Speaker 1: You would. I was like, delicious, Take five fruit Loop Brigade, Yeah,
Speaker 1: take repate.
Speaker 3: No, this one has this is a great episode.
Speaker 2: So we're back with the office manager and with Live
Speaker 2: and she's like, listen. So we had to fire one
Speaker 2: of the bike message and it's like, we don't need
Speaker 2: this gossip, but I love the backstory. So basically they've
Speaker 2: had to fire a bike messenger because he was making
Speaker 2: stops at strip clubs. So they gave everyone cell phones
Speaker 2: with GPS, and Olivia is like, and you didn't.
Speaker 3: Care to tell us before, you know? Now a warning?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: And so she's like, no, no, the phone has been
Speaker 2: turned off, so we couldn't, you know, there was nothing
Speaker 2: we could do. But it just turned back on. So
Speaker 2: that's fucking exciting. So just a few minutes ago it
Speaker 2: turned on. Where is she? She's on Eighth Avenue and
Speaker 2: she is moving. So Ice is now in the car
Speaker 2: with Munch and they're like following the directions and then
Speaker 2: the GPS shows that it comes the phone comes to
Speaker 2: a dead stop and they're looking, Fuck, it's a garbage truck.
Speaker 3: Sad.
Speaker 1: So they do find the phone, but no Kayley. And
Speaker 1: we're back to another walk and talk with Craigan and
Speaker 1: Stabler at the precinct and they're thinking that phone was
Speaker 1: turned back on like in the truck on accident and
Speaker 1: missus Seller's actually got a call and that's really sad
Speaker 1: too to think about. And so she just heard like
Speaker 1: the garbage truck for twenty minutes moving around and yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was probably not thrilled.
Speaker 2: No, And also like if she was in there, then
Speaker 2: the girl has been compressed.
Speaker 1: I mean I always think about that now when I
Speaker 1: see garbage trucks, Like when I see a garbage truck
Speaker 1: like doing its compression, I'm like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: think about like I like, this show has made me
Speaker 1: think about that, like if there's a body in there.
Speaker 3: It's not alive anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I've thought of that before because of this fucking episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, garbage compression.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of garbage truck stuff in U S
Speaker 1: for you though, Yeah, a lot of Yeah, truck. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get rid of a body, put it
Speaker 1: in the garbage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh rule one oh one. Okay.
Speaker 2: So then while they're in the precinct and they're talking
Speaker 2: and they're trying to discuss that's what's happening.
Speaker 3: Suddenly you're like, wait, is this a dream? Is this real?
Speaker 2: Is that Martin Short floating into the scene. You're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm alive or dead? Did I
Speaker 2: go to heaven? But Martin Short walks into the precincts
Speaker 2: and I it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: When you think of when you think of Martin Short,
Speaker 1: what's like the thing you.
Speaker 3: Think of first?
Speaker 2: I think of like Jiminy Glick, even though I didn't
Speaker 2: even watch it that much. I think of Clifford because
Speaker 2: I would always see it at the library and Blockbuster,
Speaker 2: like that cover of Clifford.
Speaker 3: But what I personally love.
Speaker 2: Him from is a movie no one has seen where
Speaker 2: him and Nick Nolty have to kidnap his daughter, Martin
Speaker 2: Short's daughter from an orphanage and they go out on
Speaker 2: the run and they might be robbing banks, and like,
Speaker 2: Martin Short's wearing a wig and it flies out of
Speaker 2: the car and he has to wear way. Do you
Speaker 2: know what it's called a lopside? Hannah's clicking, Hannah's clicking.
Speaker 1: Three Fugitives, Yes, I've seen this movie.
Speaker 2: So Three Fugitives was huge in my house and we
Speaker 2: watched it all the time and loved it. So that's
Speaker 2: the movie. I think I've watched the most. And did
Speaker 2: he host Oscars? I don't know what I've seen, Three Amigos.
Speaker 2: I mean I am, yeah, I'm cultured. What about you?
Speaker 2: No for me, I go right to Clifford. I love
Speaker 2: Jimmy Glick.
Speaker 1: I also love Frank obviously, father of the Bride. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just like have loved him so much like my
Speaker 1: whole life. I just think he's so so funny, and
Speaker 1: I just a treasure arm movement. Yeah, like I just
Speaker 1: think of a lot of arm movies and I just
Speaker 1: watched Only Murders in the Building and he's like still
Speaker 1: so good, Like he's so good.
Speaker 3: You're just like charmed by him, Like he's just great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might have to tell the listeners now we
Speaker 2: did not get Martin Schultz. Yeah if that's yeah, we tried,
Speaker 2: we tried, We tried hard, but Marty's busy just in
Speaker 2: case you're listening being like they got him, No we didn't.
Speaker 3: We got someone else. Amazing, great, perfect, But you.
Speaker 1: Aren't gonna love who we got. You are obsessed with
Speaker 1: who we got. Many of you have pat choose of
Speaker 1: who we got. But yeah, you're gonna be into who's
Speaker 1: the guest.
Speaker 2: But so he said he has seen the girl from
Speaker 2: the press conference. So Craigan and Stable are eyes, you know,
Speaker 2: open wide. They're excited, and so he starts giving details
Speaker 2: of a man holding her and everyone is like, okay,
Speaker 2: what's happening. And then he goes and then they're like, so,
Speaker 2: where'd you see him? Where'd you see him? And he
Speaker 2: says I had a vision, and of course they're pissed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2: Stabler like closes his little notebook and Martin Shrek goes listen, Okay,
Speaker 2: I know what you're thinking, and Maloney out missing a
Speaker 2: Beat's like right, because you're a psychic. Yeah, And now
Speaker 2: I'm wondering how many psychics come and harassed cops all
Speaker 2: the time, and maybe they're doing the Lord's work of
Speaker 2: just like a cabbing for us, just.
Speaker 3: Annoying, annoying them.
Speaker 2: So then Martin Shore, I just I like that it's
Speaker 2: not funny, but because it's him, maybe it's funny or
Speaker 2: do they write it extra fire like. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but this episode does have so many gems and Martin
Speaker 2: Short goes, oh, you think I'm mentally ill? And Craigane goes, wow,
Speaker 2: he's good.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: So it is just like a really funny episode. So
Speaker 2: he's like, listen, I've helped other police stations find people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm Sebastian Ballantine.
Speaker 4: I love this part.
Speaker 2: So then Maloney goes, whoa the Sebastian Ballentine And he goes, wait,
Speaker 2: you've heard of me? And Maloney goes, no, it's one
Speaker 2: of my favorites. It's so cruel, but it's so funny.
Speaker 2: It is, but also the name is annoying. Spelling it
Speaker 2: throughout this whole recap was hard for me saying it
Speaker 2: over and over in my head planning on how this
Speaker 2: episode's gonna go. Sebastian Vallentine is a mouthful. Who do
Speaker 2: you think of when you think of Sebastian.
Speaker 1: The crab from Little Mermaid? Yeah, am my cousin. I
Speaker 1: have a cousin named Sebastian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think crab, and then I think cruel intentions.
Speaker 2: Those are my two Sebastian and I guess Sebastian Bach
Speaker 2: but yeah, and of course Sebastian Roche one of our
Speaker 2: sexiest and most capable guests.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of the early friends of the pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's cooking, he's building, he's on a ship,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, yeah, I bet he's fucking his wife.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Okay, So those are the Sebastians in our lives. And
Speaker 2: then it's Valentine. Not Valentine. It's just like it's just too.
Speaker 3: Much for me. I hate it so much. Okay.
Speaker 2: So Craigan is like, please escort this man out of here,
Speaker 2: thank you so much, and Sebastian's like, well, at least
Speaker 2: take my card. And another bit, Craigan goes, what is it?
Speaker 2: Three ninety five a minute? They're giving it to him?
Speaker 2: But did Martin help write that? Like how did they
Speaker 2: know who wrote this episode?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: They are just so many bits, It's like it's truly incredible.
Speaker 2: Up top, So we got to go to Taru and
Speaker 2: our girl, our good friend friend of the Joel de
Speaker 2: la Fuente Morton Grove resident not anymore but from Native
Speaker 2: He's doing some computer phone tracking stuff, and so at
Speaker 2: seven twenty five in the morning, there's a photo of
Speaker 2: Kaylee on the phone that they like were able to
Speaker 2: get out, and it's her like taped up and strapped up,
Speaker 2: so at least we know that she was alive that morning,
Speaker 2: so that's good.
Speaker 3: And then there's some older photos of her with a.
Speaker 2: Guy and it's like it looks like they're in a
Speaker 2: library and it's just like a guy her age and
Speaker 2: they're hanging out. And then the next one he's trying
Speaker 2: to like make a move and she's grossed out.
Speaker 3: But it could be just a joke.
Speaker 1: They like get they read so much into this photo,
Speaker 1: like if that was just like teens hanging out, I'd
Speaker 1: be like okay, but they were like he did it,
Speaker 1: you know. They fell to a lot of conclusions from
Speaker 1: this picture. So finally Benson and Stabler they're talking with Chloe,
Speaker 1: who is the little sister of Kaylee, and they're talking
Speaker 1: about the man and it's her old boyfriend from high
Speaker 1: school and she hated him so much. And they hear
Speaker 1: some commotion from Kaylee's room. They go in and the
Speaker 1: mom is with sa Bad Valentine who is touching this
Speaker 1: girl's underwear and doing readings, but it is creepy. He's
Speaker 1: touching the underwear while doing it, and he goes, Hello,
Speaker 1: Elliott and the mom is like, he can see her,
Speaker 1: he knows that she's alive, and Martin Schort's like, you're
Speaker 1: going to find her. We're gonna do this, and Stabler's pissed. Okay,
Speaker 1: he is like Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. They don't
Speaker 1: like a scam, okay. They don't like someone trying to
Speaker 1: take advantage of people.
Speaker 3: They do not like that.
Speaker 2: So he, you know, he goes to his old school
Speaker 2: rough and tumble ways with like the psychic and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: fuck yourself, and he's like, don't fuck with someone so vulnerable.
Speaker 2: It's so rude, And I just I do love when
Speaker 2: Maloney is passionate. I know I'm a flip flopper on him,
Speaker 2: but he does care. He does care.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I keep seeing.
Speaker 2: A serial port and a computer cord. Does that mean
Speaker 2: anything to you? And Stabler's like maybe he met her
Speaker 2: over the internet. He's like hey, and then he says,
Speaker 2: actually no, we went through her tech and there isn't anything,
Speaker 2: so stop fucking doing this, Like not making any sense,
Speaker 2: and then he says, listen, there's also I see her
Speaker 2: underflowing water, but she's not wet.
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't make sense, but I see it.
Speaker 3: I see it. So we're annoyed. Do you believe him?
Speaker 1: Do you not?
Speaker 2: Stabler's pissed. What does this mean? Flowing water but she's dry?
Speaker 2: What are the cable cords? What is what is hiding
Speaker 2: in the Internet that they're not able to find? Will
Speaker 2: we find Kaylee alive? So the psychic now is trying
Speaker 2: to like anger manage, judge him and stuff, and he's like,
Speaker 2: go home and don't come back here. And Martin Short's like,
Speaker 2: I understand your skepticism. I understand, but I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to help. And Stabler rubs them up again and shoves
Speaker 2: them and is like, get the fuck away, you stupid fraud.
Speaker 2: So then he brings up the wife and children and
Speaker 2: runs off.
Speaker 3: Into the night.
Speaker 1: Stablers yeah, yeah, yeah, He's like, yeah, your wife and
Speaker 1: kids are worried about you or something, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and scurris. Scurris is my word of the episode.
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we know Stabler's pissed, he doesn't like one his
Speaker 2: family is brought up and so he's he's off into
Speaker 2: the night. So you know when they do the orthodox
Speaker 2: juice separation, So he was with Valentine, Benson's with the mom,
Speaker 2: and the Mom's like, listen, he hasn't even taken a
Speaker 2: cent from me.
Speaker 3: This is not a grifter. He wants no money.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, listen, I get where you're coming from,
Speaker 2: and you're desperate, but there are people that are unscrupulous
Speaker 2: and they're not trustworthy, and these psychics like flock to
Speaker 2: high profile cases for attention and then it gives them
Speaker 2: notoriety and then they can turn it into a business.
Speaker 2: So this is like, you know, they're working for exposure here.
Speaker 2: That's the classic classic and I never even thought about.
Speaker 1: It that way. So I do like that Benson is
Speaker 1: bringing a new perspective to me. And it's like, listen,
Speaker 1: you need to be careful. It is about the money
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. And she's like yeah,
Speaker 1: but he says he has a fishion.
Speaker 2: So the mom is saying reasons why she believes him,
Speaker 2: and Benson's telling her why it's bullshit, and the mom
Speaker 2: is mad that they ran him off and it is
Speaker 2: her only hope to like connect with her daughter, and
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they don't trust him, but
Speaker 2: it is the mom's decision to work with any fruit
Speaker 2: loop she wants. Okay, so did you like that I
Speaker 2: used it in a sentence? My fruit loops gotta not
Speaker 2: be offensive, right, it's just too fun. I'm bringing it back,
Speaker 2: and I actually not to brag. I did just order
Speaker 2: a protein powder that's flavored as fruit loop cereal, but
Speaker 2: they can't say it because of you know, copy right.
Speaker 2: Benson directs Chloe to show the photo of the teen
Speaker 2: boy to the mom, and the mom's like, Jake, what
Speaker 2: was this taken? And they say a week ago? And
Speaker 2: the mom's confused why she never mentioned it? And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: why did they break up? And then the little kid
Speaker 2: Chloe not little kid she was going to. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wonder if she still made it to the dance, Jacob.
Speaker 3: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: This dance is kind of weird. My sister's being kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Is kidnapped right now.
Speaker 2: So Chloe quickly goes because she wouldn't put out, and
Speaker 2: everyone's a little shocked, and the mom and Benson lean
Speaker 2: in and it's like, what how do you know that?
Speaker 2: And Chloe's like, I read her diary, but she tore
Speaker 2: it up after she found out I read it, so
Speaker 2: we don't have any more diary stuff. But thank god
Speaker 2: Chloe read it, and basically Jake wanted a fuck. Kaylee
Speaker 2: was not ready, so Jake dumped her ass, which is
Speaker 2: good that she didn't like stay with him because he
Speaker 2: was just using her for sex.
Speaker 3: So good decision making, Kaylee.
Speaker 2: And then the mom reveals that Sebastian did ask her
Speaker 2: if the letter JA meant anything. Oho, so I wonder,
Speaker 2: you know what the spirits let him know about the
Speaker 2: letter j. So now we're back at the office with
Speaker 2: Ice and Stabler and they're figuring this Jake shit out
Speaker 2: and Jake's in college in Boston and they're trying to confirm,
Speaker 2: like was he there, did he come home this weekend?
Speaker 3: What's going on? So then the psychic comes back.
Speaker 2: Martin Short is back, and Stabler's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: I told you to stay out of it.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I know, but I'm meant to be,
Speaker 2: Like something is telling me I have to be here,
Speaker 2: and Martin Short then has a wild request to touch
Speaker 2: some evidence to do a reading, and of course Benson
Speaker 2: says no, and I see a stunt coming, so I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is the stunt?
Speaker 3: What is happening? And like what's But.
Speaker 2: Then Stabler kind of surprises me and it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what, give him a room. Stabler's like, keep him
Speaker 2: in there, and let's leave him. Like, let's leave him
Speaker 2: in there. So he leaves the mother alone and all
Speaker 2: of us alone. Just dump him in a room. But
Speaker 2: the precinct is really wild right now and it's bustling
Speaker 2: because they're getting like hundreds of calls and tips.
Speaker 3: In the room is full.
Speaker 2: Of people with with scoop, and so it's just a
Speaker 2: little commotion. And who do we see in all the
Speaker 2: commotion are good friend's sister Peg.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 2: And it's never good news when she's at the precinct,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much. If she's made if she's
Speaker 2: made a trip, it's not good. And she's with a
Speaker 2: blonde woman, and the blonde woman has some scoop. So
Speaker 2: sister Peg is like, listen, I was doing my condom
Speaker 2: run and warning all the work and girls that there
Speaker 2: is a man snatching women off the street. And the
Speaker 2: blonde he's like, I think I saw this guy. And
Speaker 2: while the discussion is happening. Martin short is creeping his
Speaker 2: way into everyone, and a weird interaction occurs, and I
Speaker 2: can't really put my finger on what's happening, but he
Speaker 2: is being creepy. So the blonde is like this, and
Speaker 2: this guy made me pretend to be the missing girl
Speaker 2: and it just was a little sick to me. So
Speaker 2: Martin's like, hey, so you're a madam and lol, so
Speaker 2: you know, are you a psychic or what. She's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm a nun and she is wearing a purple shirt.
Speaker 2: Sorry to bring this up again, I will never stop.
Speaker 2: So that's like this little interaction where I'm confused.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, are you this or are you that?
Speaker 1: Or he also asked the girl, oh, you're a prostitute,
Speaker 1: Like he's so fascinated by them. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a little tell, but I don't know
Speaker 1: of what. But it is like great subtle acting and
Speaker 1: directing if I've ever seen it. So Ice walks in
Speaker 1: and has some info and Jake nailing a girl and
Speaker 1: coming home from Boston and crashing at his friend Michael's house.
Speaker 2: So off to Michael's house we go. It's aloft. That's cool.
Speaker 3: So basically, Mike.
Speaker 2: Is out of town, but a shirtless Jake opens the
Speaker 2: door and there's a girl in a men's shirt, which
Speaker 2: I think is a sexy look that is never overplayed
Speaker 2: in movies, like you can always put a girl in
Speaker 2: a dress shirt and I'll like it. So the girl
Speaker 2: is spraying shit into the air, so I'm assuming they
Speaker 2: were smoking somepot. Bad teens, Bad teens, And Jake's like,
Speaker 2: why are you here asking about Kaylee?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: And they're like, she was abducted and raped, and he
Speaker 2: says she was asking for it, so bring him in
Speaker 2: what you like, even if why are you?
Speaker 3: Oh god, he probably thought the cops would high five
Speaker 3: him and be like I know, right.
Speaker 2: So he says how she was always wanting her first
Speaker 2: time to be special and she made him wait a
Speaker 2: year and no prize, and then they're like, well, we showed,
Speaker 2: and then they show him the photo of him like
Speaker 2: from earlier where he was like trying to get some
Speaker 2: and she was pushing him away and Stabler's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you never stopped trying and you're a fucking abuser.
Speaker 2: What are you doing And he goes no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Let me show you something. So then Jake says he
Speaker 2: saw her at the library once on a site called
Speaker 2: bidding room dot com and she was selling her virginity
Speaker 2: to the highest bidder. So that's a twist. And Ice
Speaker 2: is actually very progressive here. And it's like, listen, she
Speaker 2: wanted to go to college and she sold the one
Speaker 2: possession she had. Yeah, and so yeah, she was trying
Speaker 2: to sell her virginity to go to law school, her
Speaker 2: one true dream. So Munch is being a downer and
Speaker 2: is like, oh, man, who's going to tell her mother?
Speaker 2: It's like does the mom need to know? Do you
Speaker 2: have to tell the mom every bit of evidence you find? Like,
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell her. She doesn't need to
Speaker 2: know this. So Craigan is nervous that the press is
Speaker 2: gonna go wild about this. Again, just don't tell them.
Speaker 2: This is Florida. It's not like mandatory release of records. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they can't keep it a secret,
Speaker 2: like I I the mom, the public, the press, nobody
Speaker 2: has to know about the website. So they have a
Speaker 2: list of all the bidders and there's no winner. It
Speaker 2: was a live auction and the person who had the
Speaker 2: most amount of bids, who just kept bidding, bidding, bidding,
Speaker 2: but kept being out bid. Was con a sewer. But
Speaker 2: it's spelled different, and there's a word game. I don't
Speaker 2: really get it. What's what's the game here that he's
Speaker 2: a sewer?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: It's a stupid Yeah, it's like a way of spelling connoisseur.
Speaker 1: That's not connoisseur. It's like, there's no game. It's it's
Speaker 1: someone trying to be clever and it's not really working.
Speaker 2: Okay, So they go to this connoisseur freaks apartment and
Speaker 2: his name is Harlan Beaumont, and it's like, obviously, I
Speaker 2: love the writer of this episode for all the jokes
Speaker 2: and funniness, and then with these names, I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: an enemy of the people.
Speaker 3: But I actually did know a Harlan. I knew a Harlan.
Speaker 2: He was like a pretty Jewish boy in my high
Speaker 2: school and he was the star of the musical and
Speaker 2: he got sick right before the debut and he had
Speaker 2: to sit like sing sick.
Speaker 3: Once upon an Island. He didn't have an understudy. He
Speaker 3: wanted to do it, honey, he wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: So he's sang poorly and it was like dedicated to
Speaker 1: his craft. Yeah, and he was one of those who
Speaker 1: knew he was cute, and you don't want to know
Speaker 1: that in high school you become a bad well I
Speaker 1: mean maybe Harlan's succeeding.
Speaker 3: Who knows, who knows where he was at, Lisa, do
Speaker 3: you want? He said? It was once upon an island
Speaker 3: where you can find once upon a mattress and once
Speaker 3: on this island if you want to read, if you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Know you usually it was is funny which one once
Speaker 2: on this It was once on this island?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, which, by the way, my summer camp
Speaker 3: did that too. And I don't really think all white
Speaker 3: organizations should be doing not play. No, my high school
Speaker 3: did it too fully a white cast.
Speaker 2: I mean we also did The King and I I
Speaker 2: mean we Yeah, it was a different time it was,
Speaker 2: but we did have so many Pacific Islanders on my
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 3: But not in the theater department.
Speaker 2: I wonder, because you can't also like then go into
Speaker 2: the school and be like we need all Asians to
Speaker 2: audit them for this play. That seems fucked up to
Speaker 2: Oh no, you know what Clara was in at Clara Wong.
Speaker 2: What's up girl, She's a very successful actress. She's working,
Speaker 2: she's modeling. She was in she was in Billions, she
Speaker 2: played like a dominatrix. She's working Clara Okay, Scochy something else.
Speaker 3: Success.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, back to Harlan. We're back to the connoisseur,
Speaker 2: this little freak and me and this freak have a
Speaker 2: lot in common. Unfortunately, he is a collector of things
Speaker 2: that are.
Speaker 1: Worthless, and so am I so many lava lamps, like
Speaker 1: so many lava lamps.
Speaker 2: And like clocks shaped his apples and pineapples and a
Speaker 2: cactus lamp at some racist statues.
Speaker 3: I don't have those. A lot of globes, old phones.
Speaker 2: So but then while they're there and they're bullying this dork,
Speaker 2: they do get a call that they found Kayley's body
Speaker 2: and her body is found in Hell's kitchen. So Stabler
Speaker 2: runs to the scene and he's in a denim jacket
Speaker 2: with lamb fur on the inside, and it is one
Speaker 2: of my least favorite, least favorite looks, just items of
Speaker 2: c thing like if I see someone with the lambskind
Speaker 2: and it's for I don't like it.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 2: So she is dead and there's a weird blanket on
Speaker 2: top of her strangulation marks. She's only been dead a
Speaker 2: couple of hours. And then above her is pipes with
Speaker 2: running water and she is dry. So Sebastian the psychic
Speaker 2: was correct, fuck because that is like a wild riddle.
Speaker 2: And so to have the flowing water on top of
Speaker 2: her while she's dry, it's like, I.
Speaker 3: Think this is one of the cugest moments in SVU history.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, it's very classic because you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's a real fucking psychic. Is SVU
Speaker 1: showcasing a real psychic in a blot line?
Speaker 2: Like what's going on? So then the Dunim boy runs
Speaker 2: to the precinct. Dunim boy is Stabler, So he runs
Speaker 2: in and he goes, give me the freak. Where's the freak?
Speaker 2: I need to find the freak And they can't find him.
Speaker 2: But he was there all night for eight hours in
Speaker 2: the interview room. But they can't find him. Right now,
Speaker 2: everything's going off the rails, like is it his fault?
Speaker 2: Did he know? Did Stabler let the girl die? Like
Speaker 2: should she have listened to the psychic? Is the psychic
Speaker 2: the ki? Like what is happening? So Huang and Craigan
Speaker 2: are now like having to walk Stabler off a cliff
Speaker 2: like we always have to do, where it's like, it's
Speaker 2: not your fault, it's not your fault, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 2: it's Valentine, it's him, and he did it. So I
Speaker 2: feel stupid because I thought Stabler was maybe believing that
Speaker 2: he was a real psychic, but it's not that. He
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this guy's like the killer, right, how
Speaker 2: could he have killed if he was there the whole time?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know how, I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but I know that it is him. So Stabler's like
Speaker 2: ruffling his desk trying to look for this business card
Speaker 2: with Sebastian's number on it. And then a young like
Speaker 2: cop comes to talk to Stabler and is actually like
Speaker 2: the Sebastian's number one fan, and he's like, whoa, this
Speaker 2: psychic knew everything. I love this psychic. And Stabler is pissed.
Speaker 2: He goes, if you believe that piece of shit, you're
Speaker 2: in the long run, you're in the wrong line of work.
Speaker 2: And then in the lofty balcony area of the office,
Speaker 2: Valentine is there with a coffee and ham being like, oh, hello,
Speaker 2: why don't you look under your mousepad? The business card
Speaker 2: is there, so you know, it's always bad when someone overhears.
Speaker 3: You talking shit about them.
Speaker 2: But Stabler goes up to the stairs like a little
Speaker 2: Romeo and is like, oh wait, so you were here
Speaker 2: all night and you never left the building. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: you told me to wait for you. But then he
Speaker 2: knows he's the killer. But how did he do it?
Speaker 2: Is Stabler wrong? What is Holp going on? And he's
Speaker 2: just like, you knew about the computer, you knew about
Speaker 2: the flowing water.
Speaker 3: How did you know? How did you know? You know?
Speaker 1: Like, and Valentine goes, it's a gift and then Stabler
Speaker 1: starts to like rough him around and he goes or
Speaker 1: a curse again. It's like vaudeville. It's so fucking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then they play the cassette tape voicemail for
Speaker 2: him and it does sound like Martin Short, Like I
Speaker 2: do have to say, like obviously there's games or recording
Speaker 2: devices being played, but it does sound like Martin Short.
Speaker 2: And Stabler's like, we have a tech crew and they're
Speaker 2: scrubbing and filtering it and we'll figure it out and
Speaker 2: Sebastian's like, yeah, put a rush on it, give me
Speaker 2: a lie detector. I don't care, bro, I am here
Speaker 2: to help. So Maloney's like, okay, psychic boy, what am
Speaker 2: I thinking? And he replies that negative energy blocks the channel,
Speaker 2: and Stabler's like, no, I'm completely open. So Valentine's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sensing flat problems with a family member, a woman,
Speaker 2: maybe your wife. He goes, I don't talk about family
Speaker 2: at work. We know this about Stabler and he says,
Speaker 2: I see three pregnancies, and that's that's interesting because you
Speaker 2: know there's twins, so that's a little twist. And Benson's
Speaker 2: like on the other side of the spyglass.
Speaker 3: Being like, how did he do it? How did he
Speaker 3: know four kids through pregnancies? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: And I'd like to say that she is wearing purple Okay.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Huang is like, this is just a manipulation
Speaker 2: in games. Psychics like have been doing these games for
Speaker 2: thousands of years. They know reactions and different ways the
Speaker 2: way you move, like it's just all games. And so
Speaker 2: then they devise a plan that's that Benson's gonna go
Speaker 2: in there and give all the wrong clues and raise
Speaker 2: them eyebrows at the wrong time and try to fuck
Speaker 2: with him and it doesn't work. The planned backfires. He's like,
Speaker 2: I know you don't have a husband, Like you're wrong.
Speaker 2: And Benson's acting is terrible here, Like Marishka hargeta incredible actress,
Speaker 2: Benson not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this isn't her best work.
Speaker 2: No, because I'm also thinking about her being like the
Speaker 2: sex worker in the Animal the Wildlife episode where she's
Speaker 2: like hello, Daddy, Like that wasn't good either, Like Benson
Speaker 2: is not good.
Speaker 3: I mean she as good as persephony, but yeah, she.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's that good of an actress. Olivia Benson, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Marishka Yes. So Ice comes in and they've found nothing
Speaker 2: on the Prince in the system and Wong starts talking
Speaker 2: about a cd ROM and I just love that.
Speaker 3: So basically there's like a.
Speaker 1: Cd ROM that the FBI uses to like figure lying
Speaker 1: shit out.
Speaker 3: I don't care. So maybe he has anyone can use it.
Speaker 1: There's like basically there is and I think I've read
Speaker 1: about this before. There are ways that psychics can like
Speaker 1: observe like tiny minuscule like facial ticks that you do
Speaker 1: that give away things that you're gonna say, and that's
Speaker 1: how a lot of psychics actually get work is by
Speaker 1: using that. And he's like, it's also available on Ceede
Speaker 1: Rahm for anyone that wants it. So yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: you have to go to the people that read your
Speaker 1: coffee grounds, because then that's concrete, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: a huge plot line in the current season of Organized
Speaker 1: Crime with Chris Maloney. But go on, oh yeah, the Albanians.
Speaker 1: The character of the Albanians love the coffee grinds. Okay,
Speaker 1: so anyways, where are we?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're cutting to the connoisseur collector guy and
Speaker 2: he is in the precinct.
Speaker 3: Upset.
Speaker 2: He goes, I want to written apology, and it's like,
Speaker 2: get in line, bro, they're like choking men to death
Speaker 2: on the streets that white.
Speaker 3: He's like, so mad. I was just bidding on a virginity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not totally innocent, you fucking creep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if someone's doing it on per I don't know.
Speaker 1: I yeah, just wanting its weird, Okay, Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I was about to defend virginity bidding about. My whole
Speaker 2: senior thesis in college was about how the concept of
Speaker 2: virginity is false and I'm like that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Anyways, so he runs away, but her the little uh
Speaker 2: collector guy. And as he's running away, we have a
Speaker 2: blonde woman with a baby runs in and she's asking
Speaker 2: much for some help and she's looking for her husband.
Speaker 2: Her husband said he would be here, but they waiting
Speaker 2: and the husband's not back yet, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: who's your husband and she goes it's Sebastian. So basically
Speaker 2: this is Sebastian's wife and baby. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: So the wife comes in with the baby, and so
Speaker 2: then Cragan goes into the interrogation room and tells Sebastian
Speaker 2: you're free to go, and Sebastian's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Like I don't need to leave, are you sure?
Speaker 3: Like we haven't.
Speaker 2: I haven't convinced Stabler, we haven't solved the crime. I
Speaker 2: can stay, And Craigan's like, your wife and baby are
Speaker 2: waiting for you.
Speaker 1: Face crack. This is the first little face crack we see.
Speaker 2: Sadness, confusion. He is not happy that they are here.
Speaker 2: He's pretty pissed. He does not like his wife. So
Speaker 2: the wife comes in and calls him Pooky and pooky
Speaker 2: to me, it's like, is that even a real name?
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know. I Pooky's funny to me. Jared
Speaker 3: does call me pook. That's his nickname for me.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, is that a real nickname?
Speaker 2: Or is that something that sitcoms came up with? And
Speaker 2: you're approving, Well.
Speaker 1: He used to call me that, I think as a
Speaker 1: joke and then he cut it to pook and that's
Speaker 1: like what it is now?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wow, the more you know. Anyways, the mom she's she's like,
Speaker 2: we missed you. We're worried. He's like, I told you
Speaker 2: where i'd be. She's like, but we love you. But
Speaker 2: she has alibis for him. YadA YadA. There's a back
Speaker 2: and forth some marriage issues. So he's like, I promised
Speaker 2: Kaylee's mom that I would find the killer and I
Speaker 2: need to deliver. And Craigan says, we got people on it,
Speaker 2: please leave, and Martin Schwort's like, I just I feel
Speaker 2: like he's gonna do it again. And the wife's like, okay,
Speaker 2: but we need you, and so YadA, YadA YadA. I
Speaker 2: snacks on the door and there's a situation at St
Speaker 2: Anne's Sister Peg is missing, so on the bed in
Speaker 2: the convent they go. They rush over Kaylee's clothing from
Speaker 2: her bike. Messenger job is laid out on Sister PEG's bed.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? And Stabler's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I've been messing around with the Sebastian motherfucker when I
Speaker 2: could have been like finding this and helping. And now
Speaker 2: you know, Sister Peg has gone, what is happening? And
Speaker 2: then it dawns on lif she goes. Sebastian met Sister Peg.
Speaker 1: He knows that she is at Saint Anne's and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: but he was with us all night.
Speaker 3: So it is a true mystery right now.
Speaker 2: And the connection between Kaylee and Sister Peg is they're virgins.
Speaker 2: They're virgins on paper because I think you could become
Speaker 2: a nun and like not be a virgin yea later
Speaker 2: in life. But the assumption is, fuck, this guy loves virgins.
Speaker 2: The nun and the teens selling her virginity are both virgins.
Speaker 3: Uh oh uh uh oh.
Speaker 2: So cut to Ice in the squad knocking down the
Speaker 2: doors and scaring old lady neighbors, like looking for Sebastian
Speaker 2: at the apartment, and you know, Benson and Novak are
Speaker 2: arguing about warrants. Obvious the tale is oldest time about
Speaker 2: this warrant thing, and Benson keeps going, but it's sister Peg,
Speaker 2: like we have to help her, and Novak's like, no,
Speaker 2: judge's gotta do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, break and the rules.
Speaker 2: So then Novak's also like, hello, he was also in
Speaker 2: the precinct all night, and Benson goes, yeah, he must.
Speaker 3: Have been working with a partner.
Speaker 2: Like what don't you understand I'm a detective, I know
Speaker 2: what's up. So Benson gets a call that ballentine'es have
Speaker 2: just been seen at a car wash hosing out the
Speaker 2: back of their van. So finally we get to bring
Speaker 2: these fuckers into interrogation.
Speaker 3: What call is that?
Speaker 1: By the way, were they being tailed or did somebody
Speaker 1: just say, hey, I saw a weird couple hosing out
Speaker 1: their van.
Speaker 3: I don't really.
Speaker 2: I bet they had someone fine them. I bet they
Speaker 2: had a detail espec Yeah, because if they're already ransacking
Speaker 2: the apartment, they might have found them. And like what
Speaker 2: the license plate? And you know, Stabler goes, You've gone
Speaker 2: after someone I know personally, big mistake, huge, and he goes,
Speaker 2: of course, logical how could I have gone after her?
Speaker 2: I've been here the whole night, and it's like, we
Speaker 2: know who your partner is, and they're gonna make a deal,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm a one man show.
Speaker 3: And Benson is with the wife.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the gender breakdown, interrogation rules, and she's saying, listen,
Speaker 2: the baby puked and Sebastian hates the smell. And she's
Speaker 2: just going on and on about how their best friends
Speaker 2: and business partners and they love each other. And Craigan's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well she's dumb and he's smart. That's his diagnosis in
Speaker 2: all of this. They're like, he thinks he's a genius
Speaker 2: and she's the dumbest person I've ever met my life.
Speaker 2: So no, okay, this is one of my favorites. Again,
Speaker 2: this episode is so funny. So Novak runs in as
Speaker 2: Craigan is talking with Ice and goes, I found a
Speaker 2: judge with a drinking problem. Is that merch? That's merch? Okay,
Speaker 2: So she caught him at the bar, and so she
Speaker 2: manipulated a drunk judge with a drinking problem to sign
Speaker 2: a warrant. Well, and then he goes, yeah, he signed
Speaker 2: it without reading it. I'm like, this is amazing. I
Speaker 2: love this so much. So then she mentions I like
Speaker 2: fixed the door, and Daddy Craigan's like wait what door,
Speaker 2: and I says like sh I mean, it's like, ah,
Speaker 2: this is the best episode of all time.
Speaker 3: So we're back in the apartment. We're searching the computers.
Speaker 2: We're pulling up records and basically he uses not Google
Speaker 2: but link it, which is an advanced Google that you
Speaker 2: pay for and it shows public records, and we see
Speaker 2: that in his search history he was looking up Elliott
Speaker 2: Stabler and Olivia Benson. So any ideas that we had
Speaker 2: that like maybe he is a psychic, he's not.
Speaker 3: He was just like he.
Speaker 1: Might not even be using that facial thing. He just
Speaker 1: knew a bunch of shit about them, Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So the pro but the program LinkedIn is not registered
Speaker 2: under Sebastian's using LinkedIn.
Speaker 3: It's called Lincoln was something like that. I think it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be like Lexus Nexus or something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so then we find out it's actually registered
Speaker 2: under a guy named Henry Palivar from Canada. So Henry,
Speaker 2: they find out served in time in Montreal for abduction
Speaker 2: and sexual assault of a minor, but there was no murder.
Speaker 2: He let the fourteen year old girl go and the
Speaker 2: girl remembered his plates and that's how he got caught.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's why this Henry person might be murdering. Basically,
Speaker 2: done Dune Done. Henry and Valentine are the same person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a Canada thing. That's why the prince didn't
Speaker 2: come up because Canada and US are not LinkedIn and
Speaker 2: Henry's only been in the US for six months. So basically,
Speaker 2: maybe that's why he's like went up to murder because
Speaker 2: he got recognized.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: So basically, you guys get it. Martin short is Henry
Speaker 2: and Sebastian. So the wife and him took on new
Speaker 2: identities and Benson's like, I'm gonna get her ass. So
Speaker 2: she kind of negs her and is just like, okay,
Speaker 2: so he only got out of prison eight years ago,
Speaker 2: you've been married for ten years.
Speaker 3: What's up, you fucking weirdo?
Speaker 2: And she's like, listen, he's the most smartest, sweetest, most
Speaker 2: charming man I've ever met. And they met through a
Speaker 2: Penn Power program with inmates, because she says, can you
Speaker 2: imagine anyone more in need of a friend. They're completely
Speaker 2: cut off and lonely, and it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: New mothers are lonely too, write them letters like yeah,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Want to know what happened in this woman's childhood. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you that much.
Speaker 1: So so she thinks like she could change him. Benson's like,
Speaker 1: you really think you can change him? She goes, yes,
Speaker 1: she goes, but you did it and he's like a
Speaker 1: bad person and he actually made you bad instead of
Speaker 1: you making him good. And she goes, that's a mean
Speaker 1: thing to say. So she's like, you know he's abducting
Speaker 1: and raping virgins and you're helping him. So what the fuck?
Speaker 1: We found map quest directions in your car? Oh shout
Speaker 1: out to map Quests. I love this episode of television.
Speaker 2: They also did find blood in the van and they're
Speaker 2: gonna test it, and Carlena it's like, babe, it's over, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's fucking over, and she's like, I want to talk
Speaker 2: to Henry and Benson's like, why why would you do this?
Speaker 2: And she goes, well, I was scared he would leave
Speaker 2: me if I didn't, so I thought if I proved
Speaker 2: him how much you know, I loved him. I would
Speaker 2: do all this that he would stop. And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: but what the fuck, Like how many girls are there?
Speaker 2: And she says twelve, which you know she's also an
Speaker 2: idiot for talking.
Speaker 3: So who are these girls?
Speaker 2: And she says usually hitchhikers in Canada and Benson's like, well,
Speaker 2: Kaylee was killed while Sebastian was in here, so you
Speaker 2: you did that, and she nods, yes, she had to
Speaker 2: do it. I couldn't let him go back to jail.
Speaker 2: It was my fault. And then behind the spy mirrors
Speaker 2: we have Stabler and Henry Akamorton short aka Sebastian Valentine
Speaker 2: aka Psychic Boy, and they don't do that often, so
Speaker 2: I really like this. And so he's watching her spill
Speaker 2: the beans and obviously he's never respected her, and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even have to rape virgins if she had
Speaker 2: been one, and it's like, wait, excuse me, and but
Speaker 2: this is the first time, like the act is dropped
Speaker 2: and the acting here is fucking incredible to me.
Speaker 3: Like this whole thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm just here to help, and like you
Speaker 2: see the soul leave his eyes, you see him become
Speaker 2: like a fully evil person in just one quick look
Speaker 2: of a face like that is a skilled performer. How
Speaker 2: you can just change everything about your character in one
Speaker 2: look like I just chilling. So basically he martin short.
Speaker 2: He explains that this woman lied and said that she
Speaker 2: was a virgin, but he wasn't a virgin, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't fuck anyone for two years while you know,
Speaker 2: while we were engaged or whatever, and he was in jail.
Speaker 2: I thought that would be enough, but it wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: And basically when they went to compensate the marriage, like.
Speaker 3: Say, shut the fuck.
Speaker 1: Up, I mean it's close, and then they went and
Speaker 1: had some consomme after Okay, So he's like, I could
Speaker 1: tell she was used goods like that, that wasn't a
Speaker 1: face of a virgin.
Speaker 2: And Stabler's like, so, what's with the virgin thing? And
Speaker 2: it basically it's uh, you know, Stabler makes fun of him,
Speaker 2: was like, what you like, you can't deal with competition,
Speaker 2: like you know, you can't have someone that's fucked someone before.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, I'm pretty adequate in bed. I just
Speaker 2: like the expression on a girl's face for the first time,
Speaker 2: and Stabler's like, no, that's not sex.
Speaker 3: That's rape.
Speaker 2: You're saying rape face, not first time vibe face. And
Speaker 2: he's just really into shock and confusion, panic, fear, soft pain.
Speaker 3: So this is a true Sickoh he loves faces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the part I'm talking about, Like
Speaker 1: there's a part where he goes and just a soup
Speaker 1: song of pain. I always I knew he was about
Speaker 1: to say that before he said it, because I always
Speaker 1: just remember that line from this. He's so creepy and
Speaker 1: he's like, and just a soup song of pain? And
Speaker 1: is that a little Montreal nod? Like is that French
Speaker 1: to be? Like, maybe song is French, but maybe it
Speaker 1: is a nod to his Montreal roots.
Speaker 2: Mateo Lane has a funny joke he goes Montreal, people
Speaker 2: think they're, you know, French, and it's like you're you're
Speaker 2: in Cleveland and you speak French.
Speaker 3: I always think it's funny. So he loves all these faces.
Speaker 2: And then Stabler asked the big question where it's like
Speaker 2: why'd you even walk into the precinct, Like you could
Speaker 2: have gotten away with all of this, Like why'd you
Speaker 2: do it? And basically he's just like really into faces.
Speaker 2: He likes to see what he's set in motion and
Speaker 2: likes to see all the cops facial expressions that gets
Speaker 2: him off. So he just loves seeing reactions. I bet
Speaker 2: if you go onto his porn search history, he's looking
Speaker 2: for close ups. Okay, So anyways, he's.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you guys are all a bee hive and
Speaker 1: I just poked you with a stick.
Speaker 3: But also I like to help, so creepy.
Speaker 2: Back to benson twisted love affair, how did you even
Speaker 2: find Sister Peg? Like, what is happening? You better start talking, bitch.
Speaker 2: So anyways, we do find sister Peg. She's in a
Speaker 2: shipping container that's chained and locked up. She's inside gash
Speaker 2: on the side of her head, but there is a pulse.
Speaker 2: She's tied and taped. But I'm so glad here to
Speaker 2: help her. But Sister Peg such a selfless woman, and
Speaker 2: she's like, the baby.
Speaker 3: You have to help the baby. The baby.
Speaker 2: There's a baby in the van and they're like, no,
Speaker 2: that's his baby, and Sister PEG's like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: The baby is not good.
Speaker 1: That Sister Peg overheard like this wife, this blonde woman,
Speaker 1: kept yelling at the baby that it's the baby's fault
Speaker 1: that the dad.
Speaker 2: Needs to keep funing and raping virgins. So it must
Speaker 2: have been a bad baby, and she picked a bad baby.
Speaker 2: So now it's like, wait, another fucking twist. There's only
Speaker 2: three minutes left of this episode. What the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on? So now we find out that they picked
Speaker 2: a baby. This is not her baby. So in the office,
Speaker 2: they figure it out that someone cut the fetus out
Speaker 2: of an eight and a half month pregnant woman and
Speaker 2: they can't find anyone that ever saw this blonde woman pregnant.
Speaker 2: So they cut a fucking baby out of a pregnant
Speaker 2: woman and left her for dead. Basically, she said she
Speaker 2: got sick of seeing her husband with all those other girls,
Speaker 2: and she thought if they could be a real nuclear family,
Speaker 2: that would help, and that would fix everything. And it's like,
Speaker 2: can you imagine if that was a Cosmopolitan tip where
Speaker 2: it's like, if your marriage is going bad, steal a baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then since he knew that she wasn't a virgin,
Speaker 2: he couldn't touch her, so he would never fuck her.
Speaker 2: So then they find out that they've been married for
Speaker 2: ten years and they've never had sex, and this it's
Speaker 2: a confused face and stabler like I've never seen he
Speaker 2: is so passed by this information. She's like, you haven't
Speaker 2: fucked your husband in a decade. So they hang on
Speaker 2: cuff this bitch. They're taking her to jail and she's
Speaker 2: like no, no, ba ba ba ba bap. And while
Speaker 2: they're walking, Martin Short like puts his arms out of
Speaker 2: the holding cell he's in and grabs her and pulls
Speaker 2: her in and it's a jump scare moment, like I
Speaker 2: kind of jumped yeah, and.
Speaker 3: He screams you stupid dizzy cow.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I love you, and he's like, are
Speaker 1: you happy now? And the thing is, I'm on Martin's
Speaker 1: short side here. I would be pissed if she talked,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I would be pissed.
Speaker 2: And I want a prequel. I want to know what
Speaker 2: happened to these people as children.
Speaker 1: Well, you're about to get one, so i'd be careful
Speaker 1: what you wish for.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I forgot about the format of our podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then he calls her a dirty whore and she's like,
Speaker 2: come on, bro, don't say that.
Speaker 3: And she starts.
Speaker 2: Crying and she's like, but you promised, you promise, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I lied love that. Stabler and Sebastian a
Speaker 2: final life moment, and Martin Short goes into the voice
Speaker 2: that we heard in the first like voicemail recording and
Speaker 2: goes best sex I ever had, and oh god, he's
Speaker 2: so good, and Stabler says, we're not going to extradite
Speaker 2: you to Canada. We're going to keep you right here, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: And he likes that. He goes, oh, I really had
Speaker 2: an impact on you. I love that, and he looks
Speaker 2: evil and that's the end, and yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 1: No, And when you go back and watch it again
Speaker 1: and you hear that recording at the beginning, you're like,
Speaker 1: it's very clearly Martin Short like it is, like, but
Speaker 1: if you don't know that.
Speaker 3: It is kind of enough different, you know.
Speaker 2: And if any of you listening are friends with Martin Short,
Speaker 2: tell him what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Martin, what are you so busy doing? Martin?
Speaker 2: You can't get on a zoom? All right, Kara, I
Speaker 2: guess let me know what's up.
Speaker 1: Buckle your seat belt, baby, Okay, So let's dive into
Speaker 1: the true crime. Obviously this episode. If you are a
Speaker 1: fan of true crimeer you've just listened to our podcast
Speaker 1: does bear resemblance to the canon Barbie Killers, Carla Hamolka
Speaker 1: and Paul Bernardo, the couple luring girls in the guy
Speaker 1: wanting to rape virgins, the Canada of it all. But
Speaker 1: obviously we've already covered that case in our episode Damaged,
Speaker 1: and there was another case that this is based on
Speaker 1: as well, and so we're going to cover that before
Speaker 1: you all decide to message me and tell me that
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. So basically part of this episode is based
Speaker 1: on the murder of Bobby Joe Stinnet. She was a
Speaker 1: twenty three year old who was found murdered by strangulation
Speaker 1: in her home in Missouri, and she was eight months
Speaker 1: pregnant and the fetus had been cut out of her womb.
Speaker 1: So this is obviously the last part of the episode
Speaker 1: is based on this crime. It's obviously very horrific and
Speaker 1: hard to talk about, but I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good information here that we should go.
Speaker 2: And what's wild is that they snuck in this heinous,
Speaker 2: giant crime in the last few minutes minutes.
Speaker 3: Like it is so wild.
Speaker 1: So the person who committed this crime was named Lisa
Speaker 1: Marie Montgomery. She was thirty six at the time. So
Speaker 1: Bobby Joe and her husband zeb were childhood sweethearts and
Speaker 1: they ran a dog breeding business in Missouri, and Bobby
Speaker 1: Joe and Lisa actually met in person at a dog
Speaker 1: show in Abilene in two thousand and four earlier that year,
Speaker 1: and then they ended up talking online in a chat
Speaker 1: room about rat terriers called ratter Chatter. So very passionate
Speaker 1: about this brand of dog, I guess this breed. Lisa
Speaker 1: lied and told Bobby Joe that she was pregnant too,
Speaker 1: and so the two of them started exchanging emails about
Speaker 1: their pregnancies. And then December sixteenth, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: Lisa gets in her car and drives from Kansas one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five miles to Bobby Joe's house in Skidmore, Missouri.
Speaker 1: And it's believed that Lisa posed as a customer named
Speaker 1: Darlene Fisher who was interested in buying one of their dogs,
Speaker 1: so there was no forced entries. She let her in,
Speaker 1: but then Lisa strangled Bobby Joe and cut the fetus
Speaker 1: out and fled with the baby. Sinnat's mother found her
Speaker 1: an hour later and called the police. Saying it looked
Speaker 1: like quote, her stomach had exploded, so horrible imagery.
Speaker 3: But according to an.
Speaker 1: Affidavit, she had her murderer's quote blonde hair clenched in
Speaker 1: her hands, so she struggled, she fought, Paramedics tried to
Speaker 1: save her, but she was pronounced dead. That same day,
Speaker 1: Lisa called her husband and told her that she had
Speaker 1: gone into labor had given birth, and the following day
Speaker 1: police went to her home in Melvern, Kansas because they
Speaker 1: had traced the email to her IP address, and they
Speaker 1: initially just wanted to interview her as a witness, but
Speaker 1: when they got there, they saw that the car match
Speaker 1: the description of the one at the crime scene, and
Speaker 1: when they got into the house, the hair, I mean,
Speaker 1: well the hair probably confirmed it all later. But when
Speaker 1: they got into the house, they found her sitting there
Speaker 1: holding an infant watching TV. So my you know, And
Speaker 1: she initially tried to say, oh, this is my baby,
Speaker 1: and then like her story fell apart very quickly and
Speaker 1: she confessed. So the kidnap newborn baby girl was recovered
Speaker 1: and placed with her father who she has raised her
Speaker 1: and she now would be like sixteen or seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: The quick recovery of the baby and capture of the
Speaker 1: perpetrator has been attributed to the use of forensic computer
Speaker 1: investigation that was able to track their online communication. So
Speaker 1: authorities also used an amber alert, which apparently was initially
Speaker 1: denied because it had never been used on an unborn
Speaker 1: child and there was no description of the victim at all,
Speaker 1: like the baby. So but then a Congressman named Sam
Speaker 1: Graves signed off on it and the alert was used,
Speaker 1: and then uh DNA testing is obviously what they used
Speaker 1: to confirm the infant's identity.
Speaker 3: And Lisa was tried and.
Speaker 1: Found guilty in two thousand and seven, so you would
Speaker 1: kind of think, oh, this ends there. I obviously want
Speaker 1: to say that I feel horrible for the family of
Speaker 1: Bobby Joe. This is a horrific crime that was perpetrated
Speaker 1: against her. Should never have happened. She should be alive
Speaker 1: raising her child right now. But that said, just as
Speaker 1: we did with Aileen Warnos, we have to take a
Speaker 1: look at the cycle of violence that perpetuates crimes like these.
Speaker 1: So I just want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: how Lisa lived her life a little bit. She was
Speaker 1: born to an alcoholic mother, which caused her permanent brain damage,
Speaker 1: and multiple medical experts have corroborated a diagnosis of fetal
Speaker 1: alcohol syndrome. She was horrifically, physically and emotionally abused by
Speaker 1: her mother her whole childhood. Her own daughter, Lisa's half sister,
Speaker 1: called her evil and someone who enjoyed hurting people. Then
Speaker 1: she was sexually abused at home, raped by her stepfather
Speaker 1: and his friends, and beaten starting at age eleven. Her
Speaker 1: mother also trafficked her, allowing handymen like electricians and plumbers
Speaker 1: to abuse her in exchange for work on her house.
Speaker 1: Lisa at one point confided in a cousin, telling him
Speaker 1: that men would tie her up, beat her, and pee
Speaker 1: on her afterwards. And of course this cousin did absolute
Speaker 1: jack shit to help her. He just dropped her back
Speaker 1: at her house. And guess what, that cousin ended up
Speaker 1: becoming a sheriff's deputy. Of course, like multiple people in
Speaker 1: this kid's life knew about what happened, and no one
Speaker 1: stopped it.
Speaker 3: No one helped this girl ever.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also I think about the people where it's
Speaker 2: like people become cops to help people.
Speaker 3: It's like not this sheriff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an opportunity to fully help someone in
Speaker 2: his own family. Like so, so if it's not to
Speaker 2: help people, what motivates police officers and sheriffs, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's like, have.
Speaker 3: An honest look in that you're a cousin. Just say
Speaker 3: come live with us.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to be like if you're too
Speaker 1: scared to press charges about what it'll do to the family,
Speaker 1: you live in a small town, whatever the fuck, just say,
Speaker 1: come live with us. Take the kid out of the
Speaker 1: just dropped her back off at this hell hole where
Speaker 1: she was being like abused habitually for years. Lisa herself
Speaker 1: developed a drinking problem when she was fourteen. Her mom
Speaker 1: discovered the abuse by her stepfather and then reacted by
Speaker 1: threatening her with the gun, like the same way how
Speaker 1: in Downloaded Child episode, the woman was like, my little
Speaker 1: seven year old is a slut, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you need to rethink being a parent.
Speaker 3: And also how the world works.
Speaker 1: So when the mother this is wild too, like more
Speaker 1: and more just like disappointment from systems that are supposed
Speaker 1: to help children and do not. When her mother eventually
Speaker 1: split from this second husband who was the one molesting Lisa,
Speaker 1: she and Lisa both testified it in the divorce proceedings
Speaker 1: about the sexual assaults, and the judge in the case
Speaker 1: like scolded the mom for not reporting the child abuse,
Speaker 1: but then did not report the abuse himself. Like this
Speaker 1: was a judge who just like never prosecuted this man,
Speaker 1: never like made any of that happen. So truly fucked up.
Speaker 1: She tried to escape her family life by getting married.
Speaker 1: At the age of eighteen, she married her stepbrother. They
Speaker 1: had four children in five years, but this man was
Speaker 1: violent to beat her often, and at one point one
Speaker 1: of her brothers found a home video of her that
Speaker 1: showed her husband raping and beating her, and the brother
Speaker 1: was like, it was horrific video, but I just didn't
Speaker 1: know how to bring it up with my sister. There's
Speaker 1: another person like letting her down, not helping her. She
Speaker 1: eventually divorced this husband and married Kevin Montgomery, and claimed
Speaker 1: to be pregnant multiple times with this husband, even though
Speaker 1: she had gotten her tubes tied in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Because I bet people, well I can't, I can't say,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I bet people were maybe nicer
Speaker 2: to her when she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's a possibility too, But I mean, she had
Speaker 1: four kids in five years at the age from eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty two.
Speaker 3: Like, that's a rough fucking go of it.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of theories as to why she did
Speaker 1: what she did to Bobby Joe. Some people think she
Speaker 1: took the baby because she had had a miscarriage that
Speaker 1: she hid from her family. I don't know how this
Speaker 1: makes any sense, because if her tubes were tied, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's very possible to get pregnant.
Speaker 3: But another theory.
Speaker 1: That is widely discussed is that her ex husband had
Speaker 1: planned to revealed she was lying about the pregnancies in
Speaker 1: order to get custody of the existing children she had
Speaker 1: with him, and she's like, I need a baby, like
Speaker 1: I need to prove that I really am pregnant or
Speaker 1: this guy's going to take my kids. So at a
Speaker 1: pre trial hearing, a neuropsychologist testify that head injuries, which
Speaker 1: Lisa had sustained years earlier, could have damaged the part
Speaker 1: of her brain that controls aggression. At her trial in
Speaker 1: federal court, her defense team was led by a man
Speaker 1: named Frederick Duchardt, and he claimed that she had pseudocysis,
Speaker 1: which we've talked about before, and that's a mental condition
Speaker 1: where a woman falsely believes she's pregnant and actually exhibits
Speaker 1: like weight gain, loss of their period, things like that,
Speaker 1: but there is no baby. We talked about it in
Speaker 1: the episode where the quiet woman from the Orange is
Speaker 1: the New Black didn't have a baby inside of her.
Speaker 3: It was from taboo, taboo, taboo.
Speaker 1: So two doctors, one named William Logan, which is my
Speaker 1: father in law's name, testified as experts that Montgomery did
Speaker 1: have pseudocisis in addition to depression borderline personality disorder MPTSD.
Speaker 1: Another doctor named doctor villaianor Rama Chandron, testified that Montgomery's
Speaker 1: stories about her actions were inconsistent because she was so delusional,
Speaker 1: like she was basically unable to really explain her acts
Speaker 1: or like why she had done anything, or she just
Speaker 1: seemed very delusional. And he said that when someone has
Speaker 1: pseudopsysis and the pregnancy belief is threatened, people suffering from
Speaker 1: these delusions will also go into a disassociative state to
Speaker 1: protect the delusion, and he believed that when she killed
Speaker 1: Bobby Joe, she was in a disassociative state that was
Speaker 1: a lot like sleepwalking. Both federal prosecutor Roseanne Ketchmark and
Speaker 1: the opposing expert witness psychiatrists. The opposing psychiatrists for the
Speaker 1: opposing side disagreed with the pseudopsysis you know, diagnosis.
Speaker 3: They were like, this is bullshit.
Speaker 1: She They were like, she went and got she researched
Speaker 1: how to do a sea section, she bought a pregnancy
Speaker 1: and at home pregnancy kit, like blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: then a lot of people argued, like, to be going
Speaker 1: through a psychosis or like an event like this, you
Speaker 1: can still be planning.
Speaker 3: You can still plan things.
Speaker 1: Like just because she premeditated something doesn't mean she was
Speaker 1: in her right mind. So on October twenty second, two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, the jurors found Montgomery guilty, rejecting the
Speaker 1: defense claims about her delusions, and on the twenty six,
Speaker 1: four days later, the jury recommended the death sentence.
Speaker 3: That's where it's fucked.
Speaker 1: I mean, were they able to bring up her past
Speaker 1: abuse my next sentence in the pseudocyesist defense, Montgomery's past
Speaker 1: trauma and separate diagnosis of mental illness were never fully
Speaker 1: revealed until after her conviction. So it's like, how like
Speaker 1: didn't we talk about this with Aileen Mornos, Like none
Speaker 1: of this was introduced a trial.
Speaker 3: Her horrible way that she was brought up because.
Speaker 2: The crime is horrific, Like if you're a person on
Speaker 2: the jury, I understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 3: She should be found guilty and be in jail. But
Speaker 3: the death sense, I just were, well not dense penalty.
Speaker 1: Girls, Yeah, exactly, and like you know, I'll explain more later.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people argued that Duchard did not
Speaker 1: give her a competent legal defense because he did not
Speaker 1: introduce any of her past trauma or any of the stuff.
Speaker 3: And he rejected all that and was like I did. Great.
Speaker 1: Experts who examined her after her conviction concluded that by
Speaker 1: the time of her crime, she had long been living
Speaker 1: with psychosis, bipolar disorder, and PTSD. She was said to
Speaker 1: have often disassociated from reality and had permanent brain damage
Speaker 1: from numerous beatings at the hands of her parents and spouses.
Speaker 3: Horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she was beaten her whole life. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine just being strapped and having electricians come piss
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like the most fucked up thing. It's
Speaker 3: so horrific.
Speaker 1: And so basically there's a case called Atkins versus Virginia
Speaker 1: that ruled that executing individuals with intellectual disabilities is a
Speaker 1: violation of the eighth Amendment of the Constitution regarding cruel
Speaker 1: and Unusual punishment. So a lot of people expected that
Speaker 1: Monk would be ineligible for the death sentence here. But
Speaker 1: she exhausted like every appeal, and you know, there was
Speaker 1: like a day she was she was supposed to get executed,
Speaker 1: and then her attorneys actually got COVID nineteen. She was
Speaker 1: supposed to be executed in December of twenty twenty. Then
Speaker 1: her attorneys got COVID, so that gave her some more time,
Speaker 1: and then she got a new execution date, which was
Speaker 1: January twelfth of twenty twenty one. And I actually came
Speaker 1: upon this case right after we started this podcast, and
Speaker 1: we've actually shouted out this this instagram before and are
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg Do segment about her Whole Truth,
Speaker 1: which is a instagram you know, fighting for women on
Speaker 1: death row or women that are innocent.
Speaker 3: They were really really.
Speaker 1: Trying to get Trump or a governor or someone to
Speaker 1: overturn it because this was federal So what if I
Speaker 1: think had to be Trump to this wasn't her state
Speaker 1: executing her.
Speaker 3: They executed so many people in that last month. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like so fucked up.
Speaker 2: It's just weird to think about all of these little
Speaker 2: pieces where it's if it was a different administration, she
Speaker 2: would be alive, right, one little thing, if one ja
Speaker 2: she gave her a protective order, a got rid of
Speaker 2: the step dad, or one teacher fucking followed up on
Speaker 2: signs of abuse.
Speaker 3: I mean, just so many people facing it's really.
Speaker 1: Really heartbreaking too, because there's a lot of photos of
Speaker 1: her as like a child, and she's just such a
Speaker 1: sweet little girl who just was failed at every turn
Speaker 1: by everyone in her life and everyone in her community.
Speaker 1: So essentially her lawyer, you know, she had multiple multiple
Speaker 1: appeals and then eventually she had a stay of execution
Speaker 1: that was vacated by the Supreme Court with a six
Speaker 1: to three vote and the execution was ordered to be
Speaker 1: carried out. Her half sister came to her defense and
Speaker 1: said her half sister was named Diane Maddingley. Now her
Speaker 1: half sister was removed from the home, put into foster
Speaker 1: care and went on to live a good life. And
Speaker 1: she's like I feel terrible that I should have. If
Speaker 1: I had reported what was going on in our house
Speaker 1: and how horrible our mother was, maybe I could have
Speaker 1: saved my sister.
Speaker 2: But I think she just why did she get to
Speaker 2: leave and the other one didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I think it might have been
Speaker 1: like who, I don't know, somehow someone reported that she
Speaker 1: was being abused, Like yeah, exactly, like another fail. You
Speaker 1: think one girl's being abused in this house and the
Speaker 1: other one isn't, Like, how is she not also being
Speaker 1: removed from the home. So the sister Diane said, quote,
Speaker 1: I would say, President Trump, I want you to look
Speaker 1: at the life that Lisa had led. I want to
Speaker 1: look at all the people that have failed her. I
Speaker 1: want you to look at the rape, the torture, the
Speaker 1: mental abuse, the physical abuse that this woman had endured.
Speaker 1: I'm asking him to have compassion on her as a
Speaker 1: person that has been failed over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and to not fail her. And guess what, he fucking
Speaker 1: failed her while asking someone like that for compassion is right,
Speaker 1: not possible, And that's like a lot Like I was
Speaker 1: signing petitions, I was kind of trying to post about it.
Speaker 1: I was really like involved in like her Ripe in
Speaker 1: her case right before she was executed. And you know,
Speaker 1: someone even wrote me and was like, you know what
Speaker 1: she did to Bobby Joe is unforgive of course, like
Speaker 1: no one is defending she that she murdered this woman
Speaker 1: and took her like that was that's a horrific crime,
Speaker 1: one of the most horrific crims I've ever heard of.
Speaker 1: But we need to like, you know, it's not I
Speaker 1: for an eye, like we need to break the cycle
Speaker 1: of viol You're.
Speaker 3: Not excusing the crime.
Speaker 2: I think this person should have been found guilty and
Speaker 2: just been in jail and.
Speaker 1: Been in jail or a mental facility or something, you know.
Speaker 1: So she was killed by lethal injection in Tara Hate,
Speaker 1: Indiana on January twelfth, and I'm sorry on January thirteenth
Speaker 1: because it was one thirty in the morning and when
Speaker 1: they asked her if she had any last words, she
Speaker 1: just said no. And she was the first female federal
Speaker 1: prisoner executed in sixty seven years.
Speaker 3: So that's another thing.
Speaker 1: It's like in the Diane Weste episode that we talked
Speaker 1: about Chameleon, it's like you're gonna make a rape victim
Speaker 1: the person that stands up. That is the example for
Speaker 1: women being having equal rights to men and being executed
Speaker 1: like this is not a mastermind woman who you know,
Speaker 1: executed a horrific crime in her right mind, you know.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: She was the first female federal in sixty seven years
Speaker 1: to be executed by the US federal government and the
Speaker 1: fourth overall. Only three women have been executed by the
Speaker 1: US federal government in the last like over one hundred years.
Speaker 1: Mary Sarat by hanging in eighteen sixty five, Ethel Rosenberg
Speaker 1: for treason by electric chair in nineteen fifty three, and
Speaker 1: then a woman named Bonnie Hetty by gas chamber also
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: It's this weird bingo of everyone being killed a different
Speaker 2: way too.
Speaker 3: That's like, yeah, pretty sid, that's weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was just talking about how like Lisa Montgomery,
Speaker 1: Corey Johnson, and somebody named Dustin Higgs. They were all
Speaker 1: three people executed under Donald Trump in his lame duck period,
Speaker 1: like after he had been you know, like six days
Speaker 1: after this motherfucker tried to overthrow the government, he kills
Speaker 1: this woman like it shouldn't have even been allowed I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Like it's so it's it's really horrific to me. And
Speaker 1: that's the end of the story. So if you want
Speaker 1: to know what Charlene was going through or whatever. The
Speaker 1: wife's name of Sebastian Valentine, maybe this is her background.
Speaker 1: Who knowsh I mean, Hannah was just telling us. There's
Speaker 1: like new studies that people with feed to all alcoholism
Speaker 1: ermans apparently make up like eighty percent of the prison population.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a lot that research that suggests it
Speaker 1: affects morality, it affects probably like yeah, malleability in terms
Speaker 1: of other people getting you to do things. Like it's
Speaker 1: just something that should hostly be taken into account. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not pro death penalty for anyone, but
Speaker 1: specifically in these cases, Like I just think it's this
Speaker 1: isn't going to deter anyone, Like this isn't you know,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't bring back the woman who died.
Speaker 2: We talk about this a lot in terms of like
Speaker 2: our country or humanity in general, is so focused on
Speaker 2: like the punishment or after or like the symptoms, but
Speaker 2: never the cause of like what is happening with you know,
Speaker 2: like that like you always talk about death penalty does
Speaker 2: not deter crime. Yeah, these things don't deter crimes, so
Speaker 2: like what will? And we are unable to do that
Speaker 2: for the people in our worlds? Like yeah, because even
Speaker 2: Richard Ramirez one of the worst killers ever. It's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen when your dad ties
Speaker 2: you to across in the middle of the night, all
Speaker 2: night and you watch your cousins.
Speaker 3: Shoot people to death like it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, we're not excusing any murderers and I hate
Speaker 2: them all, but we gotta find a way to help
Speaker 2: abuse children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might decrease the amount of killing.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe feed kids, take them out of homes that
Speaker 2: are bad.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's so funned up, but thank you for taking us
Speaker 2: through ye this case, and you know it's our one
Speaker 2: year and we have a spectacular guest.
Speaker 3: Can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna love it. Okay, guys, Our guest
Speaker 1: today is someone who's work I think a lot of
Speaker 1: you are extremely familiar with. She is a podcast Maven,
Speaker 1: the co host of Do You Need to Ride? And
Speaker 1: a little podcast you might have heard of called My
Speaker 1: Favorite Murder. She's also the co founder of the Exactly
Speaker 1: Right Network, which is our network.
Speaker 3: And you might not know this about her, she is
Speaker 3: an SVU super fan.
Speaker 1: So we were so excited to bring our patron saint
Speaker 1: and fellow SVU fan to our podcast for an interview
Speaker 1: Karen Kilgarriff first of all.
Speaker 3: Or shall we say happy first anniversary? Oh? Well, thank
Speaker 3: you so much.
Speaker 4: Can you believe it's been a year? I cannot believe that.
Speaker 3: I cannot believe it's been a year.
Speaker 2: And the episodes keep on coming. That's the thing that
Speaker 2: I like to say. Sometimes I will be watching an
Speaker 2: SVU for quote unquote work on the laptop and in
Speaker 2: the hotel, have SVU on USA for pleasure, and it
Speaker 2: is it has gone by fast.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I can't either, And I can't
Speaker 2: believe the celebs we've gotten to talk. I think that
Speaker 2: was the most surprising, Like why cleft just singing to us?
Speaker 4: Oh geez, what the fuck's so true? Well, I remember
Speaker 4: listening to the pilot you guys made. I remember where
Speaker 4: I was in the car and literally four minutes went
Speaker 4: by and I was like.
Speaker 3: We have to get this pocket.
Speaker 4: We have to do this podcast like it was just
Speaker 4: you guys were doing it so well, and whichever one
Speaker 4: you did for your first for the pilot episode, it
Speaker 4: was that thing where it wasn't like I just watched it,
Speaker 4: but the second you guys started, I was like, the
Speaker 4: reason this is gonna work is because everyone has this
Speaker 4: kind of almost like you know, collective consciousness knowledge of
Speaker 4: this TV show where even if you don't remember beat
Speaker 4: by beat the exact episode you guys talking about, it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right, oh that guy, oh that thing, And it's like,
Speaker 4: so you don't have to watch along or be like
Speaker 4: a super nerd fan to enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a lot of people that listen that
Speaker 1: say they don't even watch the show, and I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: They're like, will you tell us everything that happens, and
Speaker 1: then we like hearing about the crimes.
Speaker 3: So yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, just before we get specifically into pure tell us
Speaker 1: where your SVU journey began.
Speaker 4: Well, like many comics who do really horrible shows on
Speaker 4: the road and then go back to a terrible hotel
Speaker 4: room alone, I began to emotionally become very dependent on
Speaker 4: the entire law and Order catalog because it was always
Speaker 4: on because you'd have basic cable, so they would like
Speaker 4: TNT or whatever the station was that it was on
Speaker 4: in the nineties two thousands, it was always on, so
Speaker 4: no matter what time you came back from your gig,
Speaker 4: you could at least you would either see Sam Waterston
Speaker 4: or you would see a Mariska Harkata. There's some friend
Speaker 4: waiting for you to pull you into a worse thing
Speaker 4: that happened to people than the thing that just happened
Speaker 4: to me. So it became At first it was just
Speaker 4: like the choices were like the news, some sort of
Speaker 4: Shark Week or Law and Order, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is fine. And then slowly but surely, the structure,
Speaker 4: the pace, the people, it was like, now I have
Speaker 4: to watch it. Then I watched it all the time
Speaker 4: whenever I found it, which again was always, And I
Speaker 4: think it's that it's because there's so many episodes and
Speaker 4: it's just been on for so long that you can
Speaker 4: always find an.
Speaker 3: Episode and you will always enjoy that episode.
Speaker 1: Do you still watch it now that you're at nicer hotels?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's on, the only thing is that for SVU,
Speaker 4: I really do think I saw every episode once, if
Speaker 4: not twice, because I got into that specifically for a
Speaker 4: little while because I had a light obsession with Elliott Stabler,
Speaker 4: so I really enjoyed just visiting a man like that
Speaker 4: in my entertainment. So then I went back to the
Speaker 4: original Law and Order because there I didn't wasn't as
Speaker 4: familiar with every episode, so I wouldn't be like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's Jim Gavian loading that truck. That means we're about
Speaker 4: to go here, that means this whatever. It would be
Speaker 4: like a little bit more of a mystery. But I
Speaker 4: absolutely will go to it anytime I see it.
Speaker 1: And as SVU and the hierarchy of all the dick
Speaker 1: Wolf's near number one or is that a battle for you.
Speaker 4: It's definitely number one in terms of like it feels
Speaker 4: like I went to high school with SVU, whereas the
Speaker 4: classic one is more of like the college I couldn't
Speaker 4: get into. And then Criminal Intent was like the JC
Speaker 4: that I was embarrassed to be at. But I would
Speaker 4: go there anyway, right because I didn't mind criminal Intent
Speaker 4: is just that I didn't understand what the crimes were,
Speaker 4: why we were talking about them a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever understood the intent of criminal intent,
Speaker 1: Like don't I don't really get it's more like going
Speaker 1: inside the mind yeah, of a killer.
Speaker 4: But then you know, like there's the first episode that
Speaker 4: jumps out to me was like it was about how
Speaker 4: someone's young son who was in like his late twenties
Speaker 4: or thirties had Alzheimer's. So it was like it was
Speaker 4: always the situation where I'm like, is this really like
Speaker 4: a thing? Is this something? Is this worth our time?
Speaker 4: Or is this the weirdest thing you could possibly think of?
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it was not as I feel
Speaker 4: like SVU has that kind of like you know, every part,
Speaker 4: Like as I was rewatching this episode because I haven't
Speaker 4: watched as You in a long time, it was just
Speaker 4: like every person that comes on, it's like like clockwork,
Speaker 4: and I remembered everybody's names, like I had the cast
Speaker 4: lists there just in case.
Speaker 3: But it was just like, of course I know Tutuolo.
Speaker 3: Of course he's saying this thing. At this time. It's
Speaker 3: all very like Mom's cooking kind of feeling yes, a
Speaker 3: warm blanket?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is an episode Grandma, the meatball episode, isn't
Speaker 2: it called mom's cooking or something now, because we which
Speaker 2: one the one with a Magda from Sex and the
Speaker 2: City and she's making she's a meatball factory owner killer Oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh, for SVU or for reg Yeah, no, oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot what that one is called.
Speaker 3: We got to look it up. Oh my god. But
Speaker 3: I think there's like a mom's cooking vibe in there.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: The other general we can ask like, if you needed
Speaker 2: a lawyer, who are you hiring?
Speaker 3: Casey Novak? Right, okay, yeah, friend of the pod Diane Neil.
Speaker 3: Dian Neil. I feel like.
Speaker 4: She is really hardcore, like doesn't take any shit, but
Speaker 4: then you know, has a heart of gold.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also I just have really loved all the hair
Speaker 4: colors she's had over the years.
Speaker 1: So many. We just we just watched an episode recently
Speaker 1: where we were like, what's happening. They put her out
Speaker 1: in the natural light and they let they just let
Speaker 1: the sun do its thing, and yeah, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of collars happening.
Speaker 2: But what I love about dian Neil is she knows
Speaker 2: her hair look terrible and she'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: Is that true? Didn't you tell? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She goes ah and then they put they gave me
Speaker 1: those curls.
Speaker 2: I look like a Raga muffet. Yeah, she knows that
Speaker 2: her hair journey was.
Speaker 3: Rough, and that's really curl.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's not a lot of actresses that
Speaker 4: would just dive right into that with you.
Speaker 3: Yeez, she'll dive into whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: She told a diarrhea story on our podcast, so shit,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about this episode. I mean pure, one
Speaker 1: of our favorites, one of your favorites, A classic, a
Speaker 1: perfect meeting of the minds on this classic episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, have you met Martin Short in real life?
Speaker 3: I have? Tell me about it.
Speaker 4: Very briefly and very like, not in a meaningful way.
Speaker 4: But he used to have a talk show in the
Speaker 4: early two thousands that a bunch of people that we're
Speaker 4: friends with rode on and it was set up like
Speaker 4: a late night talk show, but I think it was
Speaker 4: like afternoon and so at the end of the show
Speaker 4: he had people doing sets. So I did comedy twice
Speaker 4: on that show, and he was really complimentary and really
Speaker 4: like warm in a genuine way when I was done,
Speaker 4: because I was really nervous, of course. And the one
Speaker 4: thing I remember is I think I was on the
Speaker 4: same episode as Delta Burke, which was pretty hilarious.
Speaker 3: Woa yeah. And the other thing was they kept trying.
Speaker 4: It was it was like two thousand and two or something,
Speaker 4: pretty early two thousands, and they really wanted to flat
Speaker 4: iron my hair, and my hair was it was a
Speaker 4: little more fucked up than it is right now, like
Speaker 4: I just got up, but it was pretty big and
Speaker 4: kind of like my hair is neither wavy nor it's
Speaker 4: wavy not curly, so it gets big and it just
Speaker 4: kind of looks I don't know. Anyway, it was not
Speaker 4: the look of the time. And this hair person wanted
Speaker 4: nothing more, if not to flat iron it, then to
Speaker 4: at least brush it. And I wouldn't let her, and
Speaker 4: so she followed me all the way to the curtain,
Speaker 4: like truly until they pulled the curtain back.
Speaker 3: As they were anouncing my name. This woman was standing
Speaker 3: by like please, can I can I just do that?
Speaker 3: And I was like no, no, get away. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: let her brush my hair.
Speaker 4: And then during the first set, lighting rig broke and
Speaker 4: made this loud bang during my set, and I didn't
Speaker 4: stop and I didn't react.
Speaker 3: I just kept doing my set.
Speaker 4: And they all really loved that that. I didn't like
Speaker 4: get all freaked out or whatever. I was just like, well,
Speaker 4: they can edit that out. In my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 4: they'll let it out later. And so anyway, I had
Speaker 4: to do my set twice on that one.
Speaker 3: Is there video of this? Is this online somewhere? I
Speaker 3: guess so depths of YouTube. We might have to find it.
Speaker 1: What did you think seeing him as a rapist and
Speaker 1: a virgin enthusiast.
Speaker 4: I do not like evil, Martin Short. The world doesn't
Speaker 4: need it. Like by the end, it was really believable
Speaker 4: and it was upsetting and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I talk about this one moment where he is, well,
Speaker 2: it's hold on, do you hear the siren?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 4: I think it's thematically good and accurate.
Speaker 3: Don't you that is true? Leave it in?
Speaker 2: No, Martin Short, there's like one moment where he's watching
Speaker 2: the spy window and you know, his wife is blabbing,
Speaker 2: and in just one look, it really was like he
Speaker 2: just dropped his face and everything changed. And I am
Speaker 2: so impressed by that one moment and what a talented
Speaker 2: person an actor he is because one look and we knew,
Speaker 2: oh so good, Yes, yeah, and there is so much
Speaker 2: humor in this episode. The back and forths are so funny.
Speaker 2: One liner perfect and that's it, no.
Speaker 1: Question, And it's like Martin Short, like can't he can't
Speaker 1: not be funny. There's even like a couple of parts
Speaker 1: where he's just really funny even though he's still being
Speaker 1: a creep and you're like, yeah, you just like it
Speaker 1: kind of oozes out of him.
Speaker 3: I feel like he can't be well, he's a ridiculous
Speaker 3: faced person.
Speaker 4: So in the beginning, it's like his ridiculous face is
Speaker 4: kind of giving this like I'm weird. I'm a weird
Speaker 4: psychic and very innocent or whatever. Uh. But I remember
Speaker 4: the first time I saw this it was I think,
Speaker 4: and I mean, so this was season six, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I don't know if in the beginning of this
Speaker 4: show they had so many celebrities doing guest star pieces,
Speaker 4: because I remember once I started seeing the celebrities, I'd
Speaker 4: be like, this is taking me out of it. Like
Speaker 4: people would show up and you'd be like, well, this
Speaker 4: is just a guest star, Like instead of you being
Speaker 4: all in this borderline real situation in New York City,
Speaker 4: it was just like he comes around the corner and
Speaker 4: you're like, it's fucking Martin Short. But then he does
Speaker 4: such a good job that he like he erases his
Speaker 4: own kind of reputation or did for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, were you as annoyed as I was that his
Speaker 2: name was Sebastian Valentine.
Speaker 4: I that sounds like a like a show dog's name
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: It's like some dick one more time around the ring,
Speaker 3: Sebastian Valentine.
Speaker 4: A lady in a black pants suit is running him
Speaker 4: around the room.
Speaker 1: When you were saying it takes you out of it,
Speaker 1: I famously get taken out of it whenever they reuse actors.
Speaker 1: So even if it's like a not famous person, if
Speaker 1: it's like the guy who plays whatever in House of Cards,
Speaker 1: I know he's in season one and then you're bringing
Speaker 1: him back in season four as a totally different person,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well he died, so what how did
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 3: You know? That doesn't bother me, That doesn't bother.
Speaker 1: Somebody bothers me. I like people wearing any thoughts. I
Speaker 1: like people making money.
Speaker 3: No, of course.
Speaker 1: And once I talk to the actors and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like an annuity. It really like helps you, I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course, for you, I want the opportunity, but get
Speaker 1: me as a viewer.
Speaker 4: Well, what it is is I like that it's happening
Speaker 4: in the real world. It definitely is taking me out
Speaker 4: of my entertainment that I'm trying to obviously lose.
Speaker 3: Myself in entirely.
Speaker 4: But the thing I start thinking of is how many
Speaker 4: actors there are in New York City, and how hard
Speaker 4: it is to get an actual TV job, and how
Speaker 4: this guy must be good because he's now been brought back,
Speaker 4: Like what did you do? I just start thinking about
Speaker 4: that actor's like life career, Why are.
Speaker 3: You such a great performer?
Speaker 4: Because also, hasn't Jim Yeff been on multiple episodes of
Speaker 4: all of the Law and Orders.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's only been on the one SVU where
Speaker 1: he's the child molester with the bad teeth. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think he's been on others, but just not s
Speaker 1: for you. Yes, I think he's been on the other franchise.
Speaker 4: And I think in the other franchises he's truly like
Speaker 4: he definitely one time was loading up a truck where
Speaker 4: I was just like.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, and then but he was in SVU. He's
Speaker 3: probably loading up a van. No, they get him in
Speaker 3: a van. He's got Oh it's.
Speaker 2: Different, he's he's a red Herring kra he is loading
Speaker 2: up the van.
Speaker 3: It ends up not being him. It's the guy. It's
Speaker 3: another guy who's the main guy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He seems really guilty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's kind of dumb and seems like a
Speaker 4: bad person.
Speaker 3: And then it's yeah.
Speaker 1: So this episode, uh so nuts and twisting, but also
Speaker 1: the real the true crime we know. So we said
Speaker 1: that this episode is based partially on the canon Barbie Killers,
Speaker 1: which I know you've covered, yes, and then partially on
Speaker 1: this woman who did remove a baby from a pregnant
Speaker 1: woman's body.
Speaker 3: Do you know about that case? The body Joe stin it.
Speaker 4: I know about the case, and it was a woman
Speaker 4: who told her own story on I Survived, and it
Speaker 4: is one of my favorite episodes if I Survived, and
Speaker 4: then I told it on our podcast because it's the
Speaker 4: most crazy story, which is this woman was like eight
Speaker 4: nine months pregnant and a woman was like, I got
Speaker 4: we have the same name, and I got your baby
Speaker 4: shower gift.
Speaker 3: I'll bring it over to your house. So she does it.
Speaker 4: Everything's fine, and then a week later she's the same
Speaker 4: lady calls and goes, oh, now I have another one
Speaker 4: of your gifts, but I can't I have to do something.
Speaker 3: I can't bring it over.
Speaker 4: And so this woman, having already met a also this
Speaker 4: woman was as pregnant as she was, so she's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll just come pick it up on my way home
Speaker 4: from work. Therein the story begins of her getting trapped
Speaker 4: in this apartment and this lady trying to cut her
Speaker 4: baby out, and she had to fight her off and
Speaker 4: she ended up up having to kill her to get out.
Speaker 3: That really pregnant was she No, she was not really pregnant.
Speaker 4: The entire thing was set up and there was all
Speaker 4: this She this girl knew she was unsafe when she
Speaker 4: went in. She looked into one of the rooms because
Speaker 4: the woman kept trying to get her to come to
Speaker 4: different rooms in the house, and she was like, this
Speaker 4: is so weird or whatever. And there was one room
Speaker 4: where she looked in and she had people magazine covers
Speaker 4: with people's faces scratched out in frames on the bureau
Speaker 4: and she was famed framed and she is just like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is this? And then she slowly realized something.
Speaker 3: There's like a bad vibe happening here.
Speaker 4: And then the lady came at her with a kitchen
Speaker 4: knife and they basically grappled with a kitchen knife and
Speaker 4: they she had to grab the knife with her hand
Speaker 4: to get it away.
Speaker 3: Like it's the craziest story.
Speaker 4: And this girl then the the police looked into her
Speaker 4: because they treated her like a murderer, and they had
Speaker 4: to go all the way through the story to actually
Speaker 4: find out that this girl was the victim, not the perpetrator.
Speaker 3: She was completely like like, well, and she had defensive
Speaker 3: wounds obviously, yeah, yes, exactly. This wasn't like two ladies
Speaker 3: fighting or whatever. And also, well, you're eight or nine
Speaker 3: month that's not when you do a murder. I think
Speaker 3: you wait a few months and then you do your murders.
Speaker 4: You'll have to speak to it, but you would know,
Speaker 4: but I mean, yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Well, we covered a different crime for this, and I
Speaker 2: not that I'm excited to hear about a new crime,
Speaker 2: but I this sounds not exciting.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I mean. Great, well,
Speaker 3: a better ending than the one we covered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dead rendering and it's first person as opposed to
Speaker 4: this kind of horrible thing.
Speaker 3: That happened, you know, yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 1: About Okay, Well, let's ask you the question that everybody
Speaker 1: asks us, which is like, do you see an Elliott
Speaker 1: Olivia endgame or do you think that they're but like
Speaker 1: she deserves better.
Speaker 3: What's your vibe on that. I love the idea.
Speaker 4: That they are, you know, because they've never gotten together
Speaker 4: or like it's all very like close. But nosigar great, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I think it's like it's the old Salmon Diane
Speaker 4: thing where it's like you think that's what you want
Speaker 4: until it happens. Then you're over there in relationship land boo,
Speaker 4: no one wants it. It's all about unrequited love. All
Speaker 4: of life is about unrequited love. So in my opinion,
Speaker 4: so I think his nobility, his Catholicism, his you know,
Speaker 4: I have to be this certain kind of person I am.
Speaker 4: I carry the weight to the world on my shoulders.
Speaker 4: It would it would actually, I think, demean him or
Speaker 4: that character of Elliott Stabler a little bit if he
Speaker 4: did something like that. I think also she it's like
Speaker 4: I don't think that's what she really wants. I think
Speaker 4: it's like the easy thing of like grass is greener,
Speaker 4: guy at work yeah, I think she deserves better, better
Speaker 4: than Elliott Stabler. Yeah yeah, in a way.
Speaker 2: There, I need someone that goes to therapy and choose
Speaker 2: is her not like my wife died and now I
Speaker 2: guess I'll go for the woman who's had a crush
Speaker 2: on me. I want someone that's like, damn, im, I'm
Speaker 2: in love with Olivia and I'm gonna chase her and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get her and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Help raise her kid with her. You know, Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: that's what I want.
Speaker 2: But if we're talking Christopher Maloney, yes, we'd all like
Speaker 2: to smash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all wanting to bumb in Stable. Come on, Oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: One of our listeners just sent us a photo of
Speaker 1: him at the Yale Harvard game this weekend, just looking
Speaker 1: like full New England fall day gorgeousness, Like he just
Speaker 1: never missed.
Speaker 3: I missed that. I gotta find it.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good they took it without him noticing,
Speaker 1: or else I would have shared it.
Speaker 4: He when I worked on Ellen way back in the
Speaker 4: two thousands, he was a guest and I was flipping out.
Speaker 4: But I was trying not to tell anybody because like
Speaker 4: the you know, I was friends with all the people,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I didn't want it to become
Speaker 4: like a weird thing where some and the other like, hey,
Speaker 4: come and meet him. I'm like, no, I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I just can't.
Speaker 4: Can't we all understand that this is like it's from
Speaker 4: a distance, that's what makes it good. Yeah, him as
Speaker 4: a person, he's an actor, Like he's not Elliott Stabler,
Speaker 4: he's an actor. But basically, we did stuff at the
Speaker 4: top of the show and for some reason, we were
Speaker 4: showing people's high school pictures and so we got his
Speaker 4: high school like from when he was like a sophomore,
Speaker 4: and it's the funniest fucking seventies he has, Like the
Speaker 4: part of the center, he looks like he just pulled
Speaker 4: a comb through his hair and he's just kind of
Speaker 4: like a little dorky. And apparently the producer who had
Speaker 4: him on that episode was like, our head writer loves you,
Speaker 4: and he was like, I want a head writer. And
Speaker 4: then I was just like, yeah, I'll see it immediately
Speaker 4: ruins it. Like all of this entire back and forth
Speaker 4: is just like, no, that's not the way it's supposed
Speaker 4: to go. But everyone loved him. He was the greatest,
Speaker 4: Like he was a great guest and super up for whatever,
Speaker 4: and thought it was really funny that we were using
Speaker 4: his picture. It was supposed to be like embarrassing, and
Speaker 4: he loved it. Yeah, nothing can embarrass Maloney.
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, he can turn anything into like
Speaker 1: I meant to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm hot, Like he doesn't care.
Speaker 2: It's just so fun ya, Karen, I've read an interview
Speaker 2: of this kind.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you have any more thoughts
Speaker 1: you want to throw in about the episode, like notes
Speaker 1: you took, but you don't have to, Like, you know.
Speaker 4: I did love when he grabbed his wife through the
Speaker 4: jail bus. It's just like, holy shit, the turn became
Speaker 4: so full in that moment. And I did love that
Speaker 4: he was secretly a Canadian.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: They were like, we can't even hide it. It's Martin
Speaker 1: Jordy's so Canadian.
Speaker 4: Yes, and they were doing it was like they're the
Speaker 4: Kennon Barbie Killers. No, no, it's also a baby cut
Speaker 4: out of it. Like they they tacked on so many
Speaker 4: things right in the last seemingly five minutes.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't Hopefully there hasn't been a story
Speaker 1: of a girl who offered her virginity online and then
Speaker 1: got kidnapped.
Speaker 3: You know, hopefully that hasn't happened, but.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's the one thing I was gonna That's what
Speaker 4: I was going to say. My favorite part of this
Speaker 4: whole episode was when they were looking at they were
Speaker 4: trying to find all the people who may have bitted
Speaker 4: on her. Virginity is bidded the right thing. And I
Speaker 4: don't know how I spotted this because there was just
Speaker 4: a long list of like user names, and the first
Speaker 4: one I saw was Let's Eat Pie.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I literally had to rewind it and go look back,
Speaker 4: and I was like, it really does say that, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to only be looking at Connie Sewer, but
Speaker 1: Karen really got her eyes wandering and finding.
Speaker 4: Some other because the first thing I think of every
Speaker 4: anytime I see something like that is some writer had
Speaker 4: to go sit down and write out that list so
Speaker 4: that then the like graphics people could go and make
Speaker 4: that website. And they were you know, Connie Sore whatever,
Speaker 4: and they were like it's stone or ninety five or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it was like, let's eat capital L, capital E,
Speaker 3: capital P. It made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 2: Let's eat Pie. Wait what other moments caught your eye.
Speaker 2: These are all so funny.
Speaker 4: Well, I do love it episode with Sister Peg because
Speaker 4: that actress has.
Speaker 3: Been on TV for You might know her name offhand.
Speaker 3: I think I wrote it here somewhere.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, her name is Charlene Woodard. H yes, yes,
Speaker 4: but she's been on TV for so long. I do
Speaker 4: love the way doctor wang Uh bead Wong is always
Speaker 4: he is always piled on with all the expositions, so
Speaker 4: he literally experienced. He's there, he's explaining what micro expressions are,
Speaker 4: he's explaining how psychics trick people. He's explaining. He's like
Speaker 4: it's like everyone else is confused about how everything works
Speaker 4: in the world, and then he shows up and it's
Speaker 4: just like boom, here here, I'll explain how everything works.
Speaker 1: And sometimes he has to talk for so long that
Speaker 1: they just have him kind of they just overlay his
Speaker 1: narration over other things happening in the show because they
Speaker 1: can't just show like a two minute shot of Bea
Speaker 1: d Wong.
Speaker 4: Just talking just being like the reason he gets the
Speaker 4: name the letter J is because his name John and
Speaker 4: Mary are the most comment.
Speaker 2: And to me, he is whatever he says is fact
Speaker 2: to me, like that's bibliography proof.
Speaker 3: Like Box said it, It's true.
Speaker 1: We do love Sister Peg and we have our fingers
Speaker 1: crossed to get her.
Speaker 3: Obviously we have a so what would Sister Peg do segment?
Speaker 3: Every week? Yeah, in the wild Thing.
Speaker 2: Do you know the comedian Joe quisala Is that he
Speaker 2: makes a lot of videos and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been on his podcast and I've watched a
Speaker 4: lot of his stuff.
Speaker 1: So his girlfriend shot Sister Peg, Like that's the actress,
Speaker 1: like he texted me out of the blue when we
Speaker 1: started the pod, and so his girlfriend is the actress
Speaker 1: that like Stabler kills and she shoots Sister Peg.
Speaker 3: Holy shite.
Speaker 1: Yes. And I just met her at a bar like
Speaker 1: a month ago at a birthday party and was like,
Speaker 1: oh my.
Speaker 3: God, when you shot Sister Peg.
Speaker 1: And she's so shy and she did not want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. And then I saw Johnny Pemmerton, who
Speaker 1: had just been the rapist, and I go, hello, you rapist,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this podcast is taking.
Speaker 3: Over my life. I gotta calm down. All the actors
Speaker 3: show up on that.
Speaker 2: So at some point, no, I could tell she gets
Speaker 2: worried when I enter her room because she knows I'm
Speaker 2: about to like be line towards It just made me
Speaker 2: think once, long, long ago, I had an audition in
Speaker 2: Seam Valley for Law and Order Regular and it was
Speaker 2: just for a protester outside a courthouse. I cannot remember
Speaker 2: the line, which is weird because I usually once I
Speaker 2: memorize lines, I can't forget them, and if the audition
Speaker 2: went particularly badly, I will rethink about the lines over
Speaker 2: the years.
Speaker 3: I'm a total lunatic.
Speaker 4: The fact that I ever tried acting is ridiculous because
Speaker 4: it drives me absolutely insane. But I remember going, like,
Speaker 4: what's the show, and like it was like early enough
Speaker 4: on that I didn't know what my part was or
Speaker 4: what or how it worked. But like two years later
Speaker 4: I would have fucking nailed that audition because I'd seen
Speaker 4: so many episodes at that point that I would have been.
Speaker 3: Just like, wait, no, what I think?
Speaker 4: Just know that, like you have to just like give
Speaker 4: it all and be in that one moment and then
Speaker 4: that's all you're doing, like interrupting the press conference or whatever.
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's also out of
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility that SVU will do an episode
Speaker 1: that involves like characters like you, like a character like
Speaker 1: you and Georgia, like a podcaster.
Speaker 3: Well this episode that there was one guy podcaster.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, so they did this episode recently that people
Speaker 1: think is based on Jensen and Holes actually because it's
Speaker 1: like a it's like a former cop and a podcaster
Speaker 1: sort of journalist teaming up. Oh and all those people
Speaker 1: were like, didn't you guys think this was like Jensen Holes.
Speaker 3: I told Jensen about it.
Speaker 1: He hadn't seen episode or it didn't seem to care much,
Speaker 1: but but I was like, I could see there being
Speaker 1: an episode where like cause you know, where like there's
Speaker 1: two characters like you and Georgia that are like true
Speaker 1: crime hosts and there's either something real that happens or
Speaker 1: maybe this is my Law and Order s few specscript
Speaker 1: that I'm giving upway the plot too. Right now, Cut
Speaker 1: this out, Hannah, cut this out.
Speaker 4: Although I would say I would say don't do it,
Speaker 4: because I think that it's like when they do stuff
Speaker 4: like that where it's not just like the crimes that
Speaker 4: people know about, but then like it's this kind of
Speaker 4: cultural reference.
Speaker 3: I think that also takes me out of it when
Speaker 3: I well, like.
Speaker 1: They just did a TikTok murder thing like they are
Speaker 1: a rape thing. Excuse me, and like it was everybody
Speaker 1: was like lol SVU tackling TikTok. So, yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: in a way, they always they do it. I mean
Speaker 1: I know that there. It's kind of like how they
Speaker 1: stay current or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I'm always just like, anytime I see it, I'm
Speaker 4: just like, all right, I'm fine with just like fight
Speaker 4: you find a body behind some garbage cans in New
Speaker 4: York City because truly, as a farm girl from northern California,
Speaker 4: I'm just about those brownstones. What's going on in those brownstones?
Speaker 4: How about you get a search warrant and bust open
Speaker 4: the door of that brownstone?
Speaker 3: Like please, that's all I want. I'm writing that down.
Speaker 3: What's going on in that brownstone? That is.
Speaker 1: Woo.
Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoyed that little gift from us
Speaker 2: to you, your queen Karen.
Speaker 3: And we love talking to Karen. We love Karen. We
Speaker 3: shouldn't wait.
Speaker 2: I wish we asked her what it feels like to
Speaker 2: have the name Karen.
Speaker 3: But you know, I know, during all this time, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder because I bet there's zero babies called Karen,
Speaker 1: Now you don't do it. Have you seen there's like
Speaker 1: a Twitter thing where someone was caught like writing to
Speaker 1: customer support and the response then at the end wrote Karen,
Speaker 1: and this woman's like, I really don't appreciate you talking
Speaker 1: to me like that, and the woman goes, oh, I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 1: my name is Karen.
Speaker 3: It was just me signing off. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've seen that.
Speaker 1: So that episode is obviously a classic.
Speaker 3: I'll post mortem. What did we learn?
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get in a car with a husband
Speaker 1: and a wife just because they've got a baby with them,
Speaker 1: because you do not know where that baby came from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just don't get into a car.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ever, I used to I used to hitchhike. I actually
Speaker 1: really not hitchhike. I sit in Rome. I would get
Speaker 1: into people's cars in Rome, Italy like I would, cause
Speaker 1: there's like I don't know, there's not no crime there,
Speaker 1: but there's not as much body to body crime there,
Speaker 1: and so like people would just pick us up and
Speaker 1: take us.
Speaker 3: To the bars we were going to. They were just
Speaker 3: nice and like I would never trying to you. I would, which.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I know, but I would always be with somebody else.
Speaker 1: But one time I was by myself and I got
Speaker 1: into a car with a guy that had a car
Speaker 1: seat in the back of his car, just because I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: he's got a kid. And he did just take me
Speaker 1: home and it was no big deal. But that's a horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible beginning to many many murders stories, because then he
Speaker 1: knows where you live. I was living in a convent.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could have come in. There would have
Speaker 1: been twenty girls. He could have gone after. I guess,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, my semester abroad. I was living
Speaker 1: in a convent.
Speaker 2: But listen, I guess what we could learn is that
Speaker 2: psychics are fake. But I don't believe that, and I
Speaker 2: do believe in psychics, and I will be going to
Speaker 2: mediums and psychics for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: In Taro.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Interesting, I'm not a believer. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I've never actually sat with somebody that like changed my mind.
Speaker 3: I would love to say, did you not have a
Speaker 3: nice tarot? Experience? In Balm Springs? Is different to me? Why?
Speaker 1: Because Taro to me is like, here's generally like the
Speaker 1: vibes going on in your life. It's not like your
Speaker 1: brother is talking to you from the beyond, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's like a little bit.
Speaker 3: Not or like you know.
Speaker 2: I have a medium that I've been wanting to go
Speaker 2: to for a while, and maybe if I'll give myself
Speaker 2: a Christmas gift and I will go and report back
Speaker 2: if because I've never met my grandparents ever. They were
Speaker 2: all dead before I was born, and I feel like
Speaker 2: if I would love if they can hop on over
Speaker 2: from Russia.
Speaker 3: Maybe they have some stuff to say. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. How do psychics talk to people that
Speaker 1: don't speak English.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. How does that work?
Speaker 3: Maybe should? I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm booking an appointment immediately. I'm booking an appointment asap.
Speaker 2: I really want to. Well, maybe my grandparents won't show up.
Speaker 3: I mean. The reason I found out about.
Speaker 2: This medium is because Busy Phillips was unless Culturistas, a
Speaker 2: podcast we share many top five Spotify lists with with
Speaker 2: so that we're in good company there and her friend
Speaker 2: who was a writer on her show, Shantira had a
Speaker 2: reading and Busy's grandma was in Shantira's reading, and so
Speaker 2: Shantira called Busy and was like, hey, your grandma showed
Speaker 2: up and then called Busy a name that only her
Speaker 2: grandma called her and no one else would know about.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: So then Busy went to this woman and then I
Speaker 2: messaged Shantira. I got the information. And now maybe now
Speaker 2: I have to do it now that we're like fully
Speaker 2: talking about it on the pod.
Speaker 3: Well, I have.
Speaker 1: If one of my relatives comes to you during your session,
Speaker 1: please do drop me a text.
Speaker 2: Well, and I was telling you about this other TikTok
Speaker 2: I saw now that I'm on TikTok, I hired a
Speaker 2: TikTok guy.
Speaker 3: Come, you know, follow me.
Speaker 2: But I was telling you yesterday when we were hanging
Speaker 2: out that like this nurse was talking about how they
Speaker 2: can't explain it, but it happens all the time so
Speaker 2: much that they put it in family and patient like
Speaker 2: information packets when someone is like dying in the hospital
Speaker 2: or really sick, and when people are like about to die,
Speaker 2: and that's they they start seeing ghosts. They start seeing
Speaker 2: people from their lives and fully being able to communicate
Speaker 2: with relatives and dogs and all this stuff, and no
Speaker 2: one else can see it, but it happens so often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild.
Speaker 2: So there's got to be you know. So that's why
Speaker 2: I believe in that. I believe there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people lying, like Sebastian Valentine, but I do believe people
Speaker 2: must have some sort of gifts.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's a lot of quacks.
Speaker 1: And actually we were on a podcast called What's Your
Speaker 1: Sign Podcast and they recently posted a thing where there
Speaker 1: was an article or something about how all these people
Speaker 1: have been scamming people on Instagram pretending that they're mediums
Speaker 1: and psychics and stuff like that, and they're like trying
Speaker 1: to get the word out like any any legitimate readers,
Speaker 1: not going to ask you for money over DM, like
Speaker 1: don't get scammed. And so, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: just think it's it must be tough if you are
Speaker 1: actually gifted to be able to speak to the beyond,
Speaker 1: to have to compete against so many bullshit artists that
Speaker 1: are out there.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's hard.
Speaker 2: I bet there's a lot of loonies like me who
Speaker 2: are willing ready.
Speaker 1: And opening their wallet's why thrilled? Why don't I just
Speaker 1: give you access to my venmo? So way anything else
Speaker 1: from this episode, I mean basically.
Speaker 3: Where we're anti death penalty.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've said at one thousand, Martin is so talented,
Speaker 1: Martin Short's very talented.
Speaker 2: Maloney and Cragan we're very funny. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm sick of learning stuff. Can I say that I'm done? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm done learning.
Speaker 1: That's fine, you don't have to take Well, we're canceling
Speaker 1: this section of the podcast at least it doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. But we also wanted to let
Speaker 1: you guys know there's gonna be a little shake up
Speaker 1: over here at team that's messed up, and our intrepid producer,
Speaker 1: Hannah is moving upward and onward at the exactly right
Speaker 1: company and will unable to be continue producing our podcast,
Speaker 1: but we'll be still working with us, you know, tangentially
Speaker 1: as a big ass boss lady. So we want to
Speaker 1: say thank you to Hannah for everything she's done for us.
Speaker 1: She's been an amazing producer for this full year. And
Speaker 1: we want to welcome our amazing former sound engineer current producer,
Speaker 1: Annalise Nelson, who will be our current producer, and we're
Speaker 1: so excited to work with them and cannot wait to
Speaker 1: kick the journey off.
Speaker 3: But we'll still keep the group chat. We'll keep the
Speaker 3: group chat. Yeah, the group chat will still probably be
Speaker 3: in effect.
Speaker 2: Tanna, do you want any final words? Do you want
Speaker 2: to tell everyone your new title?
Speaker 3: No, I'm still booking your guests, so I'll be in
Speaker 3: the group chat with you.
Speaker 1: So if you're still wondering how did they get so
Speaker 1: and so, that's still going to be Hannah, but Analise
Speaker 1: will be the one that's tippity tapping and finding out
Speaker 1: answers to questions that we should have researched ourselves.
Speaker 3: Well, I was noticing already.
Speaker 2: The difference is because we were recording Heinous Crime this
Speaker 2: week and Annalise was having a hard time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the facial expressions from Analise are much more.
Speaker 2: Analise covering eyes their head was like going back deep size.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of It was really funny.
Speaker 2: Usually Hannah's just typing and looking into a distance. No,
Speaker 2: but it was just funny to see how affected on
Speaker 2: release was and how we weren't not It was a
Speaker 2: sad moment of it was a very sad thing we
Speaker 2: got here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course we're really happy to welcome
Speaker 1: a producer that has emotions. We're excited, but a huge
Speaker 1: thank you to Hannah and a huge welcome to on
Speaker 1: Aalise in their new role, and we're really excited. Let's
Speaker 1: plug forward to what would Sister Peg do this week?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we give you guys
Speaker 1: a website and organization, a book, an articles, something that
Speaker 1: can give you more information on what we talked about today,
Speaker 1: because Lord knows, we are not fucking experts in anything.
Speaker 1: This week we're going to highlight the Cornell's Center on
Speaker 1: the Death Penalty Worldwide from Cornell Law School. Their website
Speaker 1: is death Penaltyworldwide dot org. Their mission is to provide
Speaker 1: transparent data on death penalty laws and practices around the world.
Speaker 1: They publish reports and manuals on issues of practical relevance
Speaker 1: to lawyers, judges, policymakers, and they train lawyers in best
Speaker 1: practices and engage in targeted advocacy and litigation. So I'm
Speaker 1: always interested in when this country is going to move
Speaker 1: away from the death penalty, hopefully other countries will will
Speaker 1: follow suit. So go to Death Penalty Worldwide dot org
Speaker 1: if you want more information about all that.
Speaker 2: And next week's episode is going to be Pathological Season
Speaker 2: nineteen episode ten.
Speaker 3: It's a good one.
Speaker 2: It's a goodie peacock, you know the drill DVR. And again,
Speaker 2: thanks for being with us for one whole year.
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