Speaker 1: To on the move, going deep speedways Peace do hell
Speaker 1: Peas from the Baptist Health Studio.
Speaker 2: This inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 3: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. He's got my add
Speaker 3: hands in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 4: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show,
Speaker 4: a short and sweet holiday episode of the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 4: Is my guest today, Wes Hodgwitch Frompackers dot Com, who
Speaker 4: might be my favorite team employee, my favorite person in
Speaker 4: the NFL in general, joins us today to talk about
Speaker 4: this very fun matchup on Thanksgiving night Dolphins and Packers.
Speaker 4: He will give us the perspective from Green Bay. I'll
Speaker 4: also make the week thirteen picks and that will be it,
Speaker 4: and they'll have the preview show tomorrow for you guys.
Speaker 4: But for now, for the meantime, from the bat this
Speaker 4: Hell Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is
Speaker 4: the Draft Time Podcast. Joining me today is a senior
Speaker 4: writer for Packers dot Com. You can follow him at
Speaker 4: wes hot He's Wes Hodwitz.
Speaker 3: Wes. Welcome back, man.
Speaker 4: I feel like usually these NFC games don't happen for
Speaker 4: like several years apart. But we just had you guys
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, and here you are again,
Speaker 4: my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love that I'm sharing all of our holidays
Speaker 1: with you here, Travis. We got to do Christmas in
Speaker 1: Miami two years ago, and now here we are Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Uh, maybe you can get back together
Speaker 1: for Easter or something.
Speaker 3: Little draft party.
Speaker 4: I mean, is it is in Green Bay this year
Speaker 4: or is that could make something happen for that Maybe
Speaker 4: we'll come your way and do some content up in
Speaker 4: the Great White North.
Speaker 3: That's not the Great White North, that's the what am
Speaker 3: I talking about? Close enough?
Speaker 4: I was just telling Wes we had the short weak
Speaker 4: gives us like a day to get three days worth
Speaker 4: of work done.
Speaker 3: So we are cruising right along on this podcast.
Speaker 2: West.
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and talk about this matchup that it's
Speaker 4: kind of gonna say if the Thanksgiving Day slate. In
Speaker 4: my opinion, I think that the Lion should be able
Speaker 4: to take care of business aginst the Bears and then
Speaker 4: the Cowboys and Giants are going in the wrong direction
Speaker 4: right now, and Packers and Dolphins. Man, this looks like
Speaker 4: a fun matchup. I mean, this is for us. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know this, like this is like the
Speaker 4: narrative killing game for the Dolphins. How are the Packers
Speaker 4: viewing this one as your sandwich between the Niners on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I'll be at a banged up Niners and a huge
Speaker 4: game next thursdaygainst the Lions as well. Well.
Speaker 2: This is a huge one for Green Bay.
Speaker 1: And I think if you know anything about Matt Laflour
Speaker 1: in his history with Mike McDaniel, I mean, he has
Speaker 1: so much respect for him, the program that he's put
Speaker 1: together in Miami, and really just the various threats that
Speaker 1: they have throughout both the offense and defense. Certainly Joe Barry,
Speaker 1: the Packer excuse me, the Dolphins linebackers coach now was
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator here the last three years.
Speaker 2: Matt and him are credibly close. That was a difficult decision.
Speaker 1: You know, moving on and going in a different direction there,
Speaker 1: but so much respect for him inside this building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you said it.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be the primetime matchup
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to see on Thanksgiving. I have some mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about non conference games and holiday slates.
Speaker 2: I typically like.
Speaker 1: More of the rivalries and the you know, the Bears,
Speaker 1: the Lions, and obviously all the things that the Dolphins
Speaker 1: have going for them as well. But you know, all
Speaker 1: things considered, just an overall athleticism standpoint, quality of teams standpoint,
Speaker 1: I still view the Miami Dolphins is one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the NFL. When two is on the field,
Speaker 1: I think it should be really exciting.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it for that reason.
Speaker 4: And the Dolphins offense has really found this different approach
Speaker 4: to scoring points. I mean, the results are the same
Speaker 4: as they were last year when the Dolphins were going
Speaker 4: up and down the field with some more explosives, and
Speaker 4: this year they've kind of earned that through their shorter
Speaker 4: passing game, an intermediate passing game, and while the run
Speaker 4: game hasn't been in the last couple of weeks, it
Speaker 4: has been a big focal point of the entire offense.
Speaker 4: But I guess where I want to go now, Wes
Speaker 4: is every time McDaniel takes to the podium before a game,
Speaker 4: I'm like, how can I ask him about the opposing team?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, he had familiarity with this coach,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's every week in this league for
Speaker 4: coach McDaniel and for coach Lafleur as well. I'm curious
Speaker 4: if you asked coach Lafleur that, And how do you
Speaker 4: think the fact that these guys have you know, similar
Speaker 4: offensive backgrounds, the fact that you mentioned Joe Barry was
Speaker 4: the defensive coording to their last year linebackers coach here
Speaker 4: for the Dolphins, you know, there's so much familiarity there.
Speaker 4: How do you think that makes the matchup different, better,
Speaker 4: worse for a Thursday game.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it definitely adds to almost more of
Speaker 1: the common opponent. You know, we always hear about Thursday
Speaker 1: night football games. That's what makes it so difficult when
Speaker 1: you face these teams that aren't from your division. Is
Speaker 1: trying to scheme them up, trying to plan for them,
Speaker 1: and there's so many parallels offensively, especially between these two programs.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why you know, Packers, one of
Speaker 1: the reserve running backs, Chris Brooks, was with the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: as you know, for you know, one and a half years,
Speaker 1: and they felt like one of the reasons why he
Speaker 1: got so up to speed as fast as he did
Speaker 1: in this offense is because of that background. So they
Speaker 1: do things differently. Everybody always says that, you know, things
Speaker 1: are called a little bit differently. But I think overall
Speaker 1: the bases and the foundation there, whether it stems from
Speaker 1: the Shanahan tree or if it's just their own personal
Speaker 1: preferences with what they've brought to the table, I think
Speaker 1: there definitely is more familiarity there. The Christmas game, you know,
Speaker 1: two years ago now almost I thought that was a
Speaker 1: fantastic entertaining game all around, and I feel like this
Speaker 1: one especially, it's gonna be a little colder, but you know,
Speaker 1: all around it, I think it has the real makings
Speaker 1: for a very friendly matchup.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's you mentioned earlier. The you know, the move
Speaker 4: at DC and going to Jeff Hafley was one of
Speaker 4: the more interesting things that really happened across the NFL
Speaker 4: landscape and the college football landscape.
Speaker 3: And as a Washington.
Speaker 4: State grad, I am happy to see people leave the
Speaker 4: college game and come to our great league where the
Speaker 4: football is much better, and leave that stuff behind, because
Speaker 4: I too, am very bitter about the current landscape of
Speaker 4: college football. But we'll leave my personal fillings aside. But
Speaker 4: I feel like Jeff Hafley felt the same way with
Speaker 4: regards to, you know, being a head coach at Boston College,
Speaker 4: a major program, and he's like, I don't want anything
Speaker 4: to do with this, you know, nil business. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: not what he thought, but that's that's the sense that
Speaker 4: I get to jump to the league and then take
Speaker 4: over a defense and really put his flavor on it.
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that?
Speaker 4: But also just his impact on this Packers defense this
Speaker 4: year well.
Speaker 1: And that I think when we go back to his
Speaker 1: introductory press conference and everything him talking earlier in the spring,
Speaker 1: that's really was a big part of it, is that
Speaker 1: he wanted in some ways to just get back to
Speaker 1: coaching again. You know, he felt like there was so
Speaker 1: much time that was tied into the NIL thing and
Speaker 1: making sure you recruit your own guys and keep your
Speaker 1: own program together. That this allowed him to be able
Speaker 1: to sort of find his passion for football again. And
Speaker 1: you know, and Joe Barry did some tremendous stuff here
Speaker 1: and me personally, I'd give a kidney for Joe. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is one of the most salt of the earth,
Speaker 1: tremendous human beings that I've ever come across in this sport.
Speaker 1: But the Packers wanted to make a change, not only
Speaker 1: just at the defensive coordinator but scheme. I mean, when
Speaker 1: Jeff Haffley came in here, he brought in a four
Speaker 1: to three scheme, a little bit more of a vision
Speaker 1: based attacking front, and I think it's really given Green Bay.
Speaker 2: What they wanted so far. I mean, their twenty.
Speaker 1: Two takeaways this year is already well past what they
Speaker 1: had last season. I think there's, you know, bringing in
Speaker 1: a guy like Xavier McKinney has felt so well into
Speaker 1: the roles that that you know, Halfley had it envisioned
Speaker 1: for him and what the Packers thought they were getting
Speaker 1: when they signed him as a twenty four year old
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent out.
Speaker 2: Of New York.
Speaker 1: They're just it is more complementary, I feel like in
Speaker 1: terms of just the all around scheme of what they
Speaker 1: want to do and where they want to go. It's
Speaker 1: allowed the inside linebackers to use some of their athleticism,
Speaker 1: getting involved in the blitz packages, the pressure packages, and
Speaker 1: despite not having you know, Jay r Alexander for various
Speaker 1: points at this season, they've still managed to sort of
Speaker 1: stem the tide and keep this thing going and are
Speaker 1: just on the fringe of a top ten defense. So
Speaker 1: I think Halfley's philosophy and just the way he coaches
Speaker 1: and sort of the energy he brings is really resonated
Speaker 1: with this locker room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hit a lot of the points that I
Speaker 4: wanted to ask you about individually with this defense. Because
Speaker 4: number one, Xavier McKinney, I'll ever forget. My first assignment
Speaker 4: with the Dolphins was right before COVID happened. So my
Speaker 4: first year I was hired like two weeks before COVID
Speaker 4: shut the entire world down for you know, for six
Speaker 4: months was the Combine, And I had a chance to
Speaker 4: ask Xavier McKinney about practicing against two a tongue of
Speaker 4: II looan. He was like, he is a master at
Speaker 4: looking guys off and holding defenses with his eyes. But
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like McKinney's the same way on
Speaker 4: the defensive side with how he can bait guys. And
Speaker 4: you touch on the turnovers they've they've gotten that year
Speaker 4: this year, and I saw on SVP he showed the
Speaker 4: stat that the Packers have had fourteen points or more
Speaker 4: off of turnovers in four plus or four games this year,
Speaker 4: and that's the most in the NFL. So That's gonna
Speaker 4: be one of my big key when I do my
Speaker 4: preview episode tomorrow is taking a look at how the
Speaker 4: Dolphins can protect the football and hopefully, you know, get
Speaker 4: the win that way. But with regards to how they
Speaker 4: get the takeaways, what exactly are they doing to to
Speaker 4: create those situations? Because I saw on Twitter someone was
Speaker 4: talking about how they've kind of simplified I think it
Speaker 4: was Ben fel Fanelle, who does great work for NFL
Speaker 4: films and I think he works in CBS as well,
Speaker 4: but he was talking about some more simplified coverages that
Speaker 4: give the Packers a little bit more defined rules with
Speaker 4: how they can you know, bait and jump those players.
Speaker 4: You're seeing that from the defense and how have they
Speaker 4: kind of gotten that these massive takeaway numbers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like any big marquee free agent
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's offense or defense. When you bring
Speaker 1: those guys in, you're kind of looking to build around
Speaker 1: them and kind of tailoring your scheme to them. And
Speaker 1: I feel like the Packers took everything that Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: does really well and have just sort of amplified it
Speaker 1: and given him opportunities to sort of roam a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's mostly been back for most of the year. He's
Speaker 1: been playing the center field spot. They like to go
Speaker 1: single high if they can, you know, being able to
Speaker 1: move around their rookies. Both Javon Bullard and Evan Williams
Speaker 1: have played that spot alongside McKinney. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like so many times you've been hearing guys talk this
Speaker 1: season about just being able to play more free and
Speaker 1: just understanding what their roles are and not having to
Speaker 1: think about all the contingency plans to it. I feel
Speaker 1: like the less thinking that has been involved this year,
Speaker 1: it's been better for Green Bay, both upfront with their
Speaker 1: defensive pass rush, but then also on that back end
Speaker 1: as well. So, yeah, McKinney is such a heady player, man.
Speaker 1: And like you were saying with Tua, I mean, when
Speaker 1: you can you know, this game requires so much from
Speaker 1: an athlete, but when you can go above and beyond
Speaker 1: that in the intellectual level, I feel like that's where
Speaker 1: a lot of times you gain and edge. And I
Speaker 1: can't speak to Tua's habits, but one thing that I
Speaker 1: know definitely was instilled in Xavier, and maybe it's just
Speaker 1: part of his makeup. Maybe it's coming from Alabama, but
Speaker 1: he is an absolute film junkie. He looks for every
Speaker 1: potential advantage he can see on the film and on
Speaker 1: the tape, and he uses that. And I think there's
Speaker 1: been numerous times this season where he's talked about his
Speaker 1: interceptions being products of that. So last year, not enough takeaways,
Speaker 1: too many, and that wasn't just a scheme. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's too many times where guys drop passes, you know,
Speaker 1: knock on wood from Green Bay standpoint, But that hasn't
Speaker 1: really happened at all with McKinney, and in a few
Speaker 1: cases the defense as a whole. So I just think
Speaker 1: guys have been opportunistic, and as you said, they've been
Speaker 1: able to punch those into the end zone or at
Speaker 1: least get points off of him. Last week, three second
Speaker 1: half takeaways they got twenty one points and that's what
Speaker 1: really allowed them to roll in what looked like a
Speaker 1: very dominant win over the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Really put that thing out of reach.
Speaker 4: That film prep comment you made is exactly why that
Speaker 4: matchup with he and Tua is going to be so
Speaker 4: so good because Tua, I mean, I feel like it's
Speaker 4: almost a bad word to hit us about a corp.
Speaker 4: But he knows where the ball's going before the snap
Speaker 4: most of the time. But it's not because he's pre
Speaker 4: determining that, reez, because he knows what's going to happen
Speaker 4: to the defensive rotation. And McKinney's gonna do his best
Speaker 4: to make sure he can, you know, kind of spoil
Speaker 4: the punch bowl, as it were. Let's take a really
Speaker 4: quick break right here, come back on the other side
Speaker 4: and talk about this Packers offense. I love their quarterback
Speaker 4: and I want to ask Wes about him more. Next
Speaker 4: Draft Time Podcast, my guest is a Wes Hodgwitz. Draft
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Speaker 4: with my guest today, Wes Hodwitz on the Draft Time
Speaker 4: Podcast talking about Dolphins and Packers on Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night.
Speaker 3: Huge game for the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: I think the Packers have a little bit more leeway
Speaker 4: for margin for air. But if Dolphins get this one,
Speaker 4: the run is officially on. So we're looking forward to
Speaker 4: a great matchup with two good quarterbacks, two good coaches,
Speaker 4: two fun schemes.
Speaker 3: Everything you want on a cold night in Green Bay.
Speaker 4: And let's go ahead and talk about that quarterback on
Speaker 4: the Packers' side West because this is a guy that
Speaker 4: I was in love with at Utah State, and I
Speaker 4: love the way the Packers managed his career and developed
Speaker 4: him on the bench and then brought him into the
Speaker 4: lineup and he just breaks out in a big way
Speaker 4: in his first full year starting. What's been because I've
Speaker 4: seen like kind of to talk about some turnovers and
Speaker 4: maybe some regression at times this year, but they're still
Speaker 4: like winning games and he's posting big stats. How has
Speaker 4: the second year evolution been for Jordan Love in his
Speaker 4: second year starting, I should.
Speaker 2: Say yeah, when he's healthy, it's been really good.
Speaker 1: I think one thing that hurt him is he ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, sustaining the knee injury at the end of
Speaker 1: the game in Brazil against Philly that cost him two starts,
Speaker 1: and then he comes back and he has the groin injury.
Speaker 1: He's finally off the injury report, and I think there's
Speaker 1: no it's not a coincidence that last week was where
Speaker 1: he finally snapped that turnover streak in the win over
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. So he has every tool you
Speaker 1: can look for. And I think you've talked about a
Speaker 1: time and time again. I mean that twenty twenty draft
Speaker 1: class of quarterbacks and potentially where that group could go
Speaker 1: over the next five to ten years. I mean, you
Speaker 1: might be looking at that collection of guys being the
Speaker 1: ones that sort of usher in the next era of
Speaker 1: NFL football. And you know, for Jordan, there's no right
Speaker 1: or wrong way to develop a quarterback. Miami went through
Speaker 1: it itself, but I think that process has worked here
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. I feel like watching Jordan being able to,
Speaker 1: you know, have that time with Aaron Rodgers and figure
Speaker 1: out the things that Aaron did well that he wanted
Speaker 1: to incorporate into his game. I think one thing you'll notice,
Speaker 1: or at least they're going to try for in this
Speaker 1: game is you know, trying to catch the defense with
Speaker 1: too many men on the field, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: gain those type of free plays. That's one thing that
Speaker 1: Jordan has sort of amplified this year and taken to
Speaker 1: the next level. But just from a pure makeup standpoint,
Speaker 1: this guy at you know, six foot four, he stands
Speaker 1: tall in the pocket, he does not wilt under pressure,
Speaker 1: can make every throw on the field. The Packers made
Speaker 1: him one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the National
Speaker 1: Football League for that very reason is that they felt
Speaker 1: like that first year and what he showed, especially during
Speaker 1: that second half of last season, really you know, bode
Speaker 1: well for what his long term potential is going to be.
Speaker 1: Definitely still has some stuff to clean up as a
Speaker 1: twenty six year old quarterback. Definitely has to curtail the turnovers,
Speaker 1: but you know he's gonna take some chances with the ball.
Speaker 1: The thing that they need to eliminate was some of
Speaker 1: these pick sixes that happened this year, which were trying
Speaker 1: to make something happen at the very last minute and
Speaker 1: it ends up, you know, resulting in a big play
Speaker 1: in the opposite direction.
Speaker 2: Have to get that under control.
Speaker 1: But buying large Jordan love and just seeing the way
Speaker 1: he's grown as a leader with this locker room, you
Speaker 1: really can't say enough about it.
Speaker 4: I feel like the same way about the McKinney and
Speaker 4: TUA matchup, where Anthony Weaver has been awesome this year
Speaker 4: for us, and I cannot wait to watch the way
Speaker 4: he tries to, you know, confuse Jordan and create some
Speaker 4: of those mistakes that he's had and Jordan doing what
Speaker 4: he can to create off script to make the plays
Speaker 4: that he does every single week as well.
Speaker 3: This is a game full of fun matchups.
Speaker 4: Real quick, I have one last question, but real quick,
Speaker 4: can you just kind of give me the ranking and
Speaker 4: the hierarchy the Packers eligibles because they you guys have
Speaker 4: like seven guys that are great players and I'm having
Speaker 4: a hard time figuring.
Speaker 3: Out who is the like the pecking order there.
Speaker 1: Well, first off, I mean, Josh Shacobs has been a
Speaker 1: godsend for these guys and being able to control the
Speaker 1: run game. Last week became the first one hundred yard
Speaker 1: rusher agains the San Francisco forty nine ers I think
Speaker 1: in fifty four regular season matchups, if you conclude the postseason,
Speaker 1: I think it was Aaron Jones actually had the other
Speaker 1: one when he was still here in Green Bay. So
Speaker 1: Jacob's grabbing that baton and taking it forward I think
Speaker 1: has really been huge for them. But as far as
Speaker 1: receivers go, I mean, it can be any guy at
Speaker 1: any given week. I think Jayden Reid's probably the one
Speaker 1: you'll see more of the offense running through.
Speaker 2: They motion him, they orbit him, He'll carry the ball
Speaker 2: every once in a while.
Speaker 1: He's sort of become that Deebo Samuel type playmaker, all
Speaker 1: around Swiss Army Knight for this offense. Christian Watson unfortunately
Speaker 1: had a big drop at the end of the first
Speaker 1: half against San Francisco, could have been a forty nine
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, but a week earlier had a career Highe
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty receiving yards, six foot four, can run
Speaker 1: in the four threes, fast as lightning. I mean, that
Speaker 1: guy when he's available, he brings it. Unfortunately for Green Bay,
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs did sustain a concussion in that law in
Speaker 1: the win over San Francisco, so losing him potentially not
Speaker 1: having him on the field. That's one of the main
Speaker 1: guys that Jordan Love often looks for, especially in the
Speaker 1: moving the sticks kind of first down moments. So a
Speaker 1: lot of different options, a lot of different players, and
Speaker 1: obviously a tight end Tucker Craft is broken out this
Speaker 1: year as well as a team high six touchdowns. So
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the offense. That's what Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 1: that's how he likes to run. It can go a
Speaker 1: number of different ways, and for Jordan Love that gives
Speaker 1: him so many different outlets to be able to unleash.
Speaker 3: The football West.
Speaker 4: I apologize if you see me just smiling on the
Speaker 4: call over here, because the Packers are kind of like
Speaker 4: my NFC team.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I love the way they're a bill, I love the quarterback,
Speaker 4: I love the skill spots, I love the system.
Speaker 3: I just it's such a fun team and it makes
Speaker 3: for such a fun game.
Speaker 4: And you and I get so giddy about these types
Speaker 4: of big these fun matchups when involves our teams.
Speaker 3: Real quick, we have like two minutes for West has
Speaker 3: a heart out here.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about this tweet because I
Speaker 4: do the exact same thing on Sundays, and it's always
Speaker 4: the best. After a win, you get a snapshot of
Speaker 4: the stadium. I promote the hell out of my content
Speaker 4: while I do it. You had a better version of it.
Speaker 4: I thought you said this is my favorite version of
Speaker 4: lambeau Field. Whenever my ride ends, I'll carry these ones
Speaker 4: with me. The most hope you made to memories today.
Speaker 4: Tell it kind of set the stage for us. With
Speaker 4: the atmosphere on Thursday night at lambeau Field.
Speaker 2: It's second to none.
Speaker 1: As much as I enjoy the Miami weather, it's there's
Speaker 1: something special about November.
Speaker 2: Get the it will probably be in the twenties.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any snow on the forecast, but
Speaker 1: it is the way football is meant to be played,
Speaker 1: especially when you factor in one hundred plus years of
Speaker 1: history here in lambeau Field and Green Bay, Wisconsin, one
Speaker 1: of the absolute mechas of the league. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: always enjoy those moments, very quiet, very solitude, you know
Speaker 1: how this business works.
Speaker 2: Were usually the.
Speaker 1: Last ones to leave, at least on the media side
Speaker 1: of things, so being able to just enjoy that a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think any Dolphin fans that end up
Speaker 1: making it up here too, one of the most friendly
Speaker 1: environments you're gonna find in the Nation Football League. They
Speaker 1: love their football team, but they're also incredibly welcoming too,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why any football fan, regardless if
Speaker 1: you like the Packers are not. Definitely at some point
Speaker 1: you need to make that trip to Lambefield because it
Speaker 1: doesn't get any.
Speaker 4: Better bucket list item. For me, for sure, I hope
Speaker 4: to make it one day. Not gonna happen this year around,
Speaker 4: but maybe down the road we'll find our way up there.
Speaker 4: Senior Byronpackers dot Com at Wes Hodge wet or Wes
Speaker 4: hodg Sorry, Wes Hodgwitz, appreciate your time today, man, get
Speaker 4: out of here, go take care of your busy, busy,
Speaker 4: short week, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Travis, same to you.
Speaker 1: I wish we could have chat a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: but you know how this goes, trying to get these
Speaker 1: schedules to the line one after another.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: You're awfully kind of make it work, man. I know
Speaker 4: you got a lot to do today. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy.
Speaker 4: Wes is the kind of guy that when the Dolphins
Speaker 4: win a game, I don't care about anybody else's feelings
Speaker 4: for any of the team that they root for. But
Speaker 4: when we beat the Packers on Thursday night, I will
Speaker 4: probably think for one second Wes is bummed out. That
Speaker 4: makes me sad, But it only lasts like one second.
Speaker 4: He's just that good of a dude, So appreciate his time.
Speaker 4: In a very short week and a very crowded week
Speaker 4: for content here for Dolphins and Packers workers. I like,
Speaker 4: let's go ahead and take our last break rate there,
Speaker 4: come back and finish up with the week thirteen picks
Speaker 4: Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you
Speaker 4: by Auto Nation. Week number thirteen in the National Football
Speaker 4: League is upon us. I just realized that I'm going
Speaker 4: to do these picks. I'm going to spoil the pick
Speaker 4: for the Dolphins and Packers. Now let's go ahead and
Speaker 4: save it. I will save the Dolphins and Packers pick
Speaker 4: for the preview show, but I do want to get
Speaker 4: into the rest of the NFL as things are starting
Speaker 4: to heat up. And next week on the show, I'm
Speaker 4: going to go ahead and peel the curtain back and
Speaker 4: take a look at the other AFC competitors for the
Speaker 4: wild card position that we are playing for. And of course,
Speaker 4: if Miami beats Green Bay, I'm gonna go on record
Speaker 4: right now and guarantee Joe Namath's style ahead of the
Speaker 4: Jets game that the Dolphins will be playing a eighteenth
Speaker 4: game this year if they beat Green Bay. I am
Speaker 4: a firm believer that ten wins gets you in no matter.
Speaker 4: I just think the rest of the AFC. Do you
Speaker 4: guys know how I feel about Denver. Denver has Cleveland
Speaker 4: and Indy, and I think there's one more like not
Speaker 4: good team in there for them before they end with Casey,
Speaker 4: the Chargers and the Bengals, which I think are all
Speaker 4: gonna be three losses.
Speaker 3: I just don't buy it.
Speaker 4: They very much remind me of like some of the
Speaker 4: Tannehill Dolphins teams that were like, they can beat really
Speaker 4: bad teams that can compete with middle of the road teams.
Speaker 4: They might even show up once or twice against a
Speaker 4: big time team like the Chiefs, although the Chiefs play
Speaker 4: everybody close, including the Carolina Panthers. But do you think
Speaker 4: the Broncos can beat what you saw on Monday Night
Speaker 4: Football with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Can they beat a Chargers team that hides their quarterback
Speaker 4: every chance they get.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: And speaking of that the Chargers, I guess I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do the podcast right now before next week. I do
Speaker 4: want to take a look at all those teams on
Speaker 4: a longer episode next week.
Speaker 3: But the Chargers without JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 4: Keep an eye on that because this is a team
Speaker 4: that pretty much wins the games by playing defense, run
Speaker 4: in the football, and then their quarterback misses big time
Speaker 4: throws in the second half of the game, and when
Speaker 4: he makes the throws, their receivers drop it. Weird had
Speaker 4: a chance in leak neighbors. I just don't like the Chargers,
Speaker 4: can you tell. I mean, I'm pretty pretty feisty. I'm
Speaker 4: kind of a little menace about those guys. But I
Speaker 4: think between them, I think the Steelers have a brutal
Speaker 4: schedule down the stretch. I think one of those two
Speaker 4: teams will falter. And I also believe the Broncos will
Speaker 4: falter below ten wins or if they get ten wins, Miami,
Speaker 4: provided they lose their only one game to an NFCFO
Speaker 4: would have the tiebreaker on the Broncos as well. So
Speaker 4: I think that ten and seven is a lock guarantee
Speaker 4: to get them in. I think there's lots of pretenders
Speaker 4: in this league.
Speaker 3: Even to this point.
Speaker 4: They're still winning plenty of games like the Broncos, and
Speaker 4: that was reflected in my picks this week. Even though
Speaker 4: I had one of my worst weeks of the year,
Speaker 4: I was eight and five this week. That us to
Speaker 4: one twenty nine and fifty three heading into Week thirteen,
Speaker 4: and again we're gonna reserve the Packers and Dolphins pick
Speaker 4: for the show tomorrow. Let's go ahead and cue the
Speaker 4: music and pick the rest of the games as we
Speaker 4: look to get back over seventy three percent in the
Speaker 4: win column. Right here, so I'm taking the I'm taking
Speaker 4: taking chalk. On Thursday, I'll take the Lions over the Bears.
Speaker 4: I think the Lions watch the I'll say this, then
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens, because I think I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: I mentioned this about the Rams at some point, maybe
Speaker 4: the Cardinals at some point. It feels like or the Ravens.
Speaker 4: I picked the Ravens to go to the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: after their two and two start, and even though I
Speaker 4: changed that from the Chiefs originally, I feel like the
Speaker 4: Lions could run the table. They are such a consistently
Speaker 4: good football team that is built to win in so
Speaker 4: many ways that I think they might be somewhat impervious
Speaker 4: to like collapse and let down. And they've had a
Speaker 4: couple of games they didn't play it to their best
Speaker 4: and they could have been picked off in some of
Speaker 4: those spots, but they find a way to win. They've
Speaker 4: been dominant over bad teams, which I think the Bears
Speaker 4: are that as well. I think they'll confuse that young quarterback.
Speaker 4: I think Brian Branch will probably pick them off and
Speaker 4: take it back for six at one point in that game.
Speaker 4: I'll take the Lions over the Bears on Thanksgiving, Give
Speaker 4: me the Cowboys over the Giants in your post Turkey
Speaker 4: dinner celebration nap game. My goodness, what do we do
Speaker 4: and flex this thing out? I know we can't do that,
Speaker 4: but Cooper Rush versus Tommy Cutlets, I cannot think of
Speaker 4: anything I'd rarely watch less. Give me Blaze and the
Speaker 4: Monster Machines for three straight hours over that football game.
Speaker 4: I mean, it'll make Cam happy. Every time I get home,
Speaker 4: Cam goes a byce. It's the cues freaking thing in
Speaker 4: the whole world. No, Cam, we're watching Monday night football. Boy,
Speaker 4: he watches plenty of Blaze. Trust me, he's very loved.
Speaker 4: Not gonna pick the Thursday night game. I will take
Speaker 4: the Chiefs over the Raiders on Black Friday. If the
Speaker 4: Chiefs played that Raiders team with Desmond Rider close, it
Speaker 4: might be time to go ahead and throw some dirt
Speaker 4: on the coffin of the twenty twenty four Chiefs because
Speaker 4: you can't.
Speaker 3: You gotta beat that team.
Speaker 4: They are so bad, even like and then going from
Speaker 4: Minshew to Ritter, like, you gotta bury that team. The
Speaker 4: Falcons with the Chargers is probably my toughest pick of
Speaker 4: the week, But I just talked about how I think JK.
Speaker 4: Dobbins is a huge loss for that team, and I
Speaker 4: think the Falcons coming off of bye, I think that
Speaker 4: they're The Chargers pass rush has been kind of middling
Speaker 4: this year, with you know, Bosa and Matt going in
Speaker 4: and out of the lineup and not being their usual
Speaker 4: effective selves. I think that I think the Dolphins, or
Speaker 4: rather the Falcons, can score some points and off a
Speaker 4: short week on the road in a pretty good road
Speaker 4: environment there in Atlanta. I like the Chargers getting picked off,
Speaker 4: and if they do, that could be the beginning of
Speaker 4: their collapse. That the Dolphins need to have happened to
Speaker 4: take their place in the playoffs, Which wouldn't that be
Speaker 4: so freaking beautiful? By the way, to a tongue of
Speaker 4: by Lowa and Justin Herbert have the same number of
Speaker 4: touchdown passes this year. One guys played eleven games, one
Speaker 4: guy's played seven. Just saying Falcons over Chargers, I'll take
Speaker 4: the Bengals over the Steelers. I actually have the Bengals
Speaker 4: winning out. Can you guys believe that? Am I crazy?
Speaker 4: Am I just ignoring how bad their defense is. Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow has twenty seven touchdown pass eleven games, They're gonna
Speaker 4: beat some teams. I don't think the Steelers have the offense,
Speaker 4: even though they want to play like you know, Dave
Speaker 4: Wantstead football, which you find the theme and the teams.
Speaker 3: I don't like.
Speaker 4: If you play Wantstead football, I don't think you're any good.
Speaker 4: Let's just put it that way. And the Steelers, I
Speaker 4: think that magic carpet right comes to an end. They
Speaker 4: lost to the Browns in a devastating fashion on Thursday
Speaker 4: Night football. I think they get you know, two more
Speaker 4: against the Bengals here. I think the Bengals can pick
Speaker 4: them off twice. I have the Steelers finishing nine to
Speaker 4: eight and out of the playoffs, and it starts here
Speaker 4: with Joe Burr going up and down the field in
Speaker 4: those guys, and we'll just doing enough because I don't
Speaker 4: think that the Steelers' offense is good enough to take
Speaker 4: advantage of a bad Bengals defense. Cardinals over the Vikings,
Speaker 4: that's a tricky one there after that tough performance in Seattle.
Speaker 4: But I always like an athletic quarterback against a Brian
Speaker 4: Flores defense. I'm taking the Patriots over the Colts in
Speaker 4: an upset. I know that we just watched the Patriots
Speaker 4: play a really bad football game.
Speaker 3: But you pretty much have to.
Speaker 4: Guess whether or not you're gonna get Anthony Richardson splash
Speaker 4: plays or the complete negative all game long. He was
Speaker 4: a little bit of both on Sunday against the Lions.
Speaker 4: I think that he the Patriots can do enough, and
Speaker 4: then Drake may can do enough against a bad defense
Speaker 4: in a bad front with a good running game with
Speaker 4: a bad run defense, I should say to get that
Speaker 4: upset win.
Speaker 3: Seahawks over the Jets.
Speaker 4: I wonder if one more loss turns it in terms
Speaker 4: of Rogers to Tyrod Taylor ahead of our game next week.
Speaker 4: Either way, I'm not worried about them. I'll take the
Speaker 4: Seahawks in that one. Washington over Tennessee. Although the Cliff
Speaker 4: Kingsbury cliff has arrived and that offense has become a
Speaker 4: shell of itself, I think the Titans are not the
Speaker 4: one to do the job there.
Speaker 3: Houston over Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: That's an obvious one, even though Houston's playing some really
Speaker 4: bad football. I think Jacksonville does get Lawrence back, but
Speaker 4: they're just so such a bad football team.
Speaker 3: I'll take the Rams over the Saints.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep pounding this rams drum until I guess
Speaker 4: the wheels fall off.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just believe in them, even if they are not
Speaker 4: playing the best football right now. The Bucks over the Panthers,
Speaker 4: there's a no doy. Ravens over Eagles is my pick there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: The Ravens defense is struggling this year, but I just
Speaker 4: have so much faith in Lamar and Derreck Henry and
Speaker 4: the Eagles are a really good football team. They're the
Speaker 4: second by far, the second best team in the NFC.
Speaker 4: But I think the Ravens are ripe to pick them
Speaker 4: off right here. Buffalo over a you know, shambles Niners team.
Speaker 4: We'll see if Brock Party plays in that game, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe they can stack up a couple more losses and
Speaker 4: shut Party down for the rest of the year. Be
Speaker 4: kind of nice to see that for our Week sixteen game.
Speaker 4: And then Cleveland over Denver's my Monday night football pick.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of picking like what the Dolphins need, so
Speaker 4: I understand that that might be a little bit homersh,
Speaker 4: but I think they're One of the reasons that I'm
Speaker 4: so anti bo Knicks is because I watched that whole
Speaker 4: Week three game or was it week two? No, it
Speaker 4: was Week four against the Broncos because we played on
Speaker 4: Monday Night football, so I had Sunday off and it
Speaker 4: was like raining at the metal Lands and bow knicks
Speaker 4: like couldn't grip and throw a forward pass, Like he
Speaker 4: couldn't grip the football and throw a forward pass like
Speaker 4: it was so bad. And so I think about those
Speaker 4: games in Denver when the weather gets bad, and we
Speaker 4: just watched Jamis Winston literally have a snow day like
Speaker 4: a school like he was out of school for the day,
Speaker 4: running around having so much fun with his friends. I
Speaker 4: think that Wednesday and can play better than those elements.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's it's gonna be like twenty
Speaker 4: five degrees in Denver. So give me the Browns to
Speaker 4: knock off the Broncos, and I think the Broncos are
Speaker 4: going to go into a tail spin here. So that's
Speaker 4: the picks for Week thirteen. We'll have the Dolphins and
Speaker 4: Packers pick for you guys on the show tomorrow. That'll
Speaker 4: be the last podcast before the game, so we'll have
Speaker 4: this one will come out today on Tuesday preview episode
Speaker 4: tomorrow early Wednesday. I'm hoping for the release of that
Speaker 4: and I hope you guys can hear it before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: Please enjoy your holiday with your family. It's the best
Speaker 4: day of the year in my opinion, football and family.
Speaker 3: What more could you want than that.
Speaker 4: We'll have that show for you guys on Wednesday, and
Speaker 4: then the recap episode will be up early Friday morning,
Speaker 4: and then we'll have an all twenty two review for
Speaker 4: you guys Friday evening that carries you through the weekend.
Speaker 4: It'll also exist as the Monday Podcast and we'll have
Speaker 4: a episode Tuesday and Wednesday kind of doing a bigger
Speaker 4: picture look at the Dolphins and the rest of the NFL,
Speaker 4: and then get right back into it for Jetsweek. So
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