1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario. If you haven't been watching Heated Rivalry, 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: then you are missing out. You're missing out. It is 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: so good and the season finale just aired and the 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: world is morning. Not having any new episodes of the 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: show to watch is very upsetting. But to tie us 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: over until the season two comes out, I have the 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: brilliant brain behind Heated Rivalry on my show today. Rachel 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: Reid is the New York Times best selling author of 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: the Game Changer's Hockey Romance series, as well as the 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: standalone hockey romance novels Time to Shine and The Shots 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: You Take. Without her, we would have no Heated Rivalry 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: TV show, no Ilia, no Shane, no steamy Slowburn love story. 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: And today we are diving into her brain to hear 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: more about her process and answer all of your burning questions. 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Rachel to 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: say something that she has never said before. 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Rachel, it is so good to see you. How are 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: you today? 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: I'm great. 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: I feel like you've been on a whirlwind. Are you sleeping, 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: are you eating? Are you okay? 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: Some of those things sometimes yeah. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been wild for you, I imagine it never 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: feels totally normal, Like where are you with. 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: It all right now? 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: It still doesn't feel real. I mean every week when 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: I see a new episode, I'm like, I can't believe 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: I'm watching it. I can't believe every social media post 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: I see, every headline, every thing. I don't know, it's 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 3: just none of it seems real. 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're writing a book in a whole 34 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: series of course, is this something that you hope one 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: day will happen or it's just kind of like, well 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: if it does, cool, but that's not really the endgame. 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, I didn't think it was a possibility 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: at all. Like I just thought the kinds of books 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: I write just weren't really like filmable, they were anything 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: anybody would consider filming. So it wasn't really something. I mean, 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: it's something you might like dream about, but I don't 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: think I could have dreamed what's happening now. 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: No, it's cool to see the world in a place 45 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: where this kind of content is welcomed and wanted and 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: so popular. I mean, I growing up in and have 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: a ton of things like this to watch, so it's 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: super cool that this is out there and people are 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: responding in such a big way. And by the way, 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: all different walks of life are loving this, Like I 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: have so many friends from all different walks who are like, 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: it's really good. 53 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad's watching it. 54 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's absolutely amazing. 55 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so interested in your mind and your creativity 56 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: and how things came to fruition. So we have a 57 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: lot to get to and I guess to start, I mean, 58 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: let's go from the beginning, like what or who inspire 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the characters of Ilia and Shane For you. 60 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: I think it was just like I mean, I've been 61 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: a hockey fan my whole life, so I mean that 62 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: starts in the eighties through the nineties. There are just 63 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: a lot of hockey players like over the years that 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: I guess the Alien Shame would be influenced by or like, 65 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, kind of an amalgam of a bunch of players, 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: but also like just a bunch of fictional characters, and 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: you know, just in general, like they're inspired by some 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: of my favorite kind of like enemies to lovers type 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: stories or like forbidden romance type stories, whether that's books 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: or movies or anything like that. And then Ili is 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: obviously based on some of the more flashy, cocky European 72 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: hockey players that have existed over the years, and Chain's 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: more of like the boy scout, good boy, captain Canadian boy, 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: not a ton of fun kind of player, which you 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: know there have been tons of those over the years. 76 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 77 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: They're come into life in such vibrant ways, and they're 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: so distinct and so different in many ways, which it's 79 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: fun to watch to see where their stories are going. 80 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: And you know, the books your baby, right, I imagine 81 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you're protective of it, and this series and all of 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: the books are personal to you. You poured a lot 83 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: of love into them, and you created them and have 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: an idea of where they should go, where you want 85 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: them to go if more installments are coming, all of that. 86 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: So to release that and put this into the world 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: as a show is a big deal. And to find 88 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: your characters is a big deal. So what made you say, 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: you know what, Hudson is great for this role and 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: Connor is great for this role. 91 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: Like what was that moment for you? Oh? 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: I think when I first was on set and I 93 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: saw them acting in scenes and I was like, Yeah, 94 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: they're They're perfect. This is exactly what I pictured in 95 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: my head. So it was a great feeling to see 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: them the characters really come to life. I mean, I 97 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: don't have to tell people how great a job Connor 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: and Hudson are doing. 99 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're phenomenal. Did you have any say in 100 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the casting process? 101 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: Not really, Like I was kept in the loop, and 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: Jacob was very excited about both of them and very 103 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: excited about their chemistry. Read so he told me, you 104 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: know all about them, hes like the movie we found Arlia, Well, 105 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: I think we had Connor first, and then he told 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: me like later that we'd found Shane, and just like, yeah, 107 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: really really exciting. Right away, I could tell how how 108 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: excited Jacob was because we knew it was really like, 109 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: it was so important to find the right actress for 110 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: these characters because otherwise the whole thing kind of fell 111 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: apart because it's it's so character driven and fans already 112 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 3: have such a clear idea of what these characters should 113 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: look and sound like. And yeah, I really think, I 114 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: really think Jacob nailed it by those two guys. 115 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. 116 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: It's so wild to me that you don't you know, 117 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: get final approvals or a big say, because that's a 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: lot of trust to put in a team. 119 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, But I never really felt nervous about 120 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: it because Jacob just like cared so much about getting 121 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: this right, like right from the very first time I 122 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: talked to him. He had so much respect for the 123 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: books and the characters, and I just trusted it, and 124 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: I think I was right to do so. 125 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I would say so for sure. 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: So based on all of that, was there a moment 127 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: on set that you remember where you were watching them 128 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: together or them individually, where you thought, oh, like, yeah, 129 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: we totally made the right call based on what you 130 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: were seeing and what they were performing. 131 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think everything I saw them do. Really, 132 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if I saw them. I saw them 133 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: in a scene together for the first time at the 134 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: very end of the first day that I was on set, 135 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: and it was the first time, yeah, that I saw 136 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: them together. And it was just a very short scene. 137 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: I can't say what it is because it hasn't happened yet, 138 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: it hasn't been in an episode, it's not an episode 139 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: that's been out yet. But yeah, it was just a 140 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: really short, really sweet scene and I was blown away 141 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: by how how much it just was what was in 142 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: my head and the way they sounded, and the like 143 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: the way they looked at each other, just everything. It 144 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: was very romantic and very sweet, and I was I 145 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: was really excited. 146 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't now. I'm trying to think 147 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: what that could be and I can't wait for it. 148 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: Is there a scene that you wrote in the books 149 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: that you hold extra close? I know, I mean, so 150 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: much of what you write is so special, But is 151 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: there a scene that you're like, Oh my god, that 152 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: one's like a little extra special for me. 153 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, there's one coming up in this week's episode 154 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: that's definitely that. So, but if I was going to 155 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: talk about one that people have already seen, I mean, 156 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: the tuna melt scene was important and that that happened 157 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: in last week's episode, so it was really nice to 158 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: see that brought to life. It's it's kind of a 159 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: complicated scene because it's it's sweet and romantic, but then 160 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: takes a bad turn and all of that has to 161 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: make sense, and I think they did a really great 162 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: job of it. So I know fans were looking forward 163 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: to that one too. 164 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: Why do you think he freaked out at the end 165 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: of the same. 166 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: I think he freaked out because it suddenly started to 167 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: feel a little bit like a relationship, even though that 168 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: does seem like what Shane has wanted all along, I 169 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: think just faced with it, he's just not ready to 170 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: take that risk. It's it would be a pretty big risk, 171 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: and I think Shane's still holding on to hope that 172 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: he can like find a girl and not have to 173 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 3: like have this whole extremely difficult affair with his rival player. 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: I think he's just hoping for something a little easier, 175 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: but obviously that's not what's going to happen. 176 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Then, well, that's a moment too that I feel like 177 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: so many of us have gone through and can relate to. 178 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of moments where I'm like, oh 179 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: my god, that like that literally happens to me. And 180 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk about one of those in a bit. But 181 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: that's what's so brilliant about this. It is so relatable 182 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: in many many ways, and you feel I mean, I 183 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: can't speak for everybody, but I certainly have felt a 184 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of the things these characters are feeling as I 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: watch it, which is really really cool. Is there a 186 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: scene that either has aired or from the books that 187 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: you wrote purely for your own satisfaction. I'm writing this 188 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: one for me. 189 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: There's a short and silly sex scene that takes place 190 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: near the end of the book that I'd never in 191 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: a million years would have expected to make it onto 192 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: the show, but. 193 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: It did. 194 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that because that one really 195 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: was just indulgent for me, and it will be in 196 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: the final episode. 197 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, we can't wait for that one. 198 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: And I think people will know what I'm talking about 199 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: when they see it. 200 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I think so too. I 201 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: already have an ideas. And the fans are so amazing 202 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: and energized and excited about this show, which is so 203 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: cool and what you see on social and every single day, 204 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: it's everywhere and people are catching on. It's very much 205 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: a word of mouth thing, and I think that's a 206 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: huge part of the popularity. 207 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: And they're passionate. They're very passionate. 208 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Is there a scene that you think readers or watches 209 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: of the show are super opinionated about or maybe would 210 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: debate a little bit about. 211 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I mean, there's always a debate about 212 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: you know, who's treating who badly? Like, Yeah, should Shane 213 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: have run away at the end of that tune of 214 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: Melt scene? Should Ilia have been friendlier to Shane at 215 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: the end of the Vegas Hotel room scene? 216 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Like? 217 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 3: These are things that fans have been talking about for years, 218 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: and I feel like it's there's so many more people 219 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: talking about them now after watching the show. But yeah, 220 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: the two characters definitely take turns doing and saying the 221 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: wrong thing. But I'm looking forward to hearing what people 222 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: have to say about the last two episodes. I think 223 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: they're the best two episodes so but I also think 224 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: they have a lot of important scenes in them that 225 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: fans have been very opinionated about over the years. So yeah, 226 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what people think. 227 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, those moments of conflict are part of 228 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: the reason why the show is so captivating, and you 229 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: wonder where it's gonna go. As as a writer, as 230 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: an author, do you plan out all of those moments? 231 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: Are they very deliberate or do you discover some along 232 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: the way as you're writing. 233 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't plan much. I pretty much just start 234 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: with characters and kind of let them tell me the story. Yeah, 235 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: I kind of get taken on a journey as I'm writing, 236 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: So ideas often just kind of pop into my head 237 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: live while I'm writing, and I just kind of see 238 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: where they go. Wow. 239 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: So you're not like outlining everything ahead of time. 240 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: No, I've tried that, and sometimes my publisher asked for 241 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: that in advance, but usually what I end up writing 242 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: is nothing like what I sent them, So I usually write, 243 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: write out a synopsis, and then never look at it again. 244 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:32,359 Speaker 2: Wow. 245 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: That's so cool. That is so cool to be so 246 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: in the moment with what you're creating. So how long 247 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: does that all take you to create and write? 248 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: Like? 249 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: How long does each book take? 250 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh? Most of a year. I'm pretty slow and I 251 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 3: rewrite scenes over and over again usually, So yeah, I 252 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: would say, you know, eight months probably at least. 253 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: That's so cool. That's so cool. 254 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: What conversation do you hope people are having about this story? 255 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people are talking about it, as you know, 256 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: So what do you I hope the conversations are. 257 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been hearing really positive ones, like one 258 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: of them is about you know, how Romance might get 259 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,479 Speaker 3: filmed from now on, which I think is really exciting 260 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: that I think Jacob has shown that you can film 261 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: a high heat romance and not lose any of the 262 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: heat and not lose any of the romance. And I 263 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: think it's really brave that he did this, and I 264 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: hope it changes the way that romance gets filmed. I 265 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: also think there's been a lot of conversation about I 266 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: don't know, just like more like respecting romance as a 267 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 3: genre which often gets dismissed. I've heard from a lot 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: of people that said that they've never read Romance and 269 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: now they're interested in reading it because they're so invested 270 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: in this show, and it's like they enjoy the tension 271 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: and all the things that make people love romance. So 272 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: I like, yeah, hearing people talking about romance with a 273 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: little more in us in respect maybe as a literary genre. 274 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope the biggest thing I hope people 275 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: are talking about is, you know, obviously, the stories that 276 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: are joyful, the queer stories that are joyful, need to 277 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: be on screen way way more often. And I think 278 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 3: Jacob showed that if you respect the IP and you 279 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 3: respect the fans and the original creator of something, you're 280 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: going to get a better final product as well. So 281 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: I think there's like a lot of things that people 282 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: are talking about that are really exciting all at once. 283 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: It is refreshing to see a show like this depicting 284 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: love and romance and sex in a way that is realistic. 285 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah for grown ups. 286 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we see so much of that, you know, in 287 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: the heterosexual world, and we've grown up with that and 288 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: we know it and we see it, and there's been 289 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: plenty of content out there that's very realistic, but you 290 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: haven't really seen a ton in this space. 291 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: So I imagine that was important for you. 292 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, and you know it's important for Jacob too. 293 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: I know we had a lot of talks about it, 294 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: like there's just not like we found even even a 295 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: lot of the romance like let's say queer romance that 296 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: had a happy ending. It was pretty chaste where it 297 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: was pretty like careful, and I know Jacob did not 298 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: want to do that with this. He really wanted to 299 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: go for it and like make it for grown ups 300 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: and make it you know, not a suggestion or make 301 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: it subtext or anything like that. Wasn't going to be 302 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: like two guys looking at each other longingly for six 303 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: episodes and then kissing at the end, you know, like 304 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: that's not what we wanted to make. So Yeah, it 305 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: was really exciting for me right from the get go. 306 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: That's that's what he wanted to do. 307 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: And you have some some moments in there too that 308 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: it's a balance between tender and hot and steamy, and 309 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's real, it's realistic, and you write that 310 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: way too, so it very much honors what's written on 311 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: the pages. 312 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried to get really messy with funny. I mean, 313 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: I think sex is pretty funny, vulnerable and weird and 314 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: like there's all sorts of things about it that are 315 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: fun to write. And I've seen them all on the 316 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: screen too that I think Jacob brought them all onto 317 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: the show. 318 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's been really fun to watch. Okay, 319 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: let's have fun for a second. What is your favorite 320 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,359 Speaker 1: sex scene in the book. 321 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: And Heat A rivalry? You know, I do like that 322 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: Vegas hotel scene. And I've said this before, that one 323 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: actually got cut by me originally because I thought maybe 324 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: it was too much or too indulgent, and my editor 325 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: was like, you know, it absolutely has to stay so 326 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: good for her. 327 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Thank got your editor choice. 328 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: YEA, Yeah, but I do think that's that's probably my 329 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: favorite one in Heat. A rivalry. 330 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get any pushback along the way when 331 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: bringing the show to life from the studio or executives 332 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, this could be a little too much. 333 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: I mean I didn't. From what Jacob tells me, he 334 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: didn't get a lot like he Actually, I think they 335 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: were quite enthusiastic about the sex scenes. So yeah, I 336 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: think there was just you know, I think there were 337 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: some notes about maybe pacing it a bit, like not 338 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: having them do everything in the first episode, so you know, 339 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: something's got changed to accommodate that, I think, But I 340 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: like the way that it was paced. Actually, I think 341 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: it was good. 342 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's done really, really well. There's 343 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: so much done well in this series. I mean I 344 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: also have to give a shout out to some of 345 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: those female characters in episode three, specifically that like, we 346 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: just as gay men, we have great girls in our 347 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: lives and I love seeing that. Talk to me about 348 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: your thought process behind some of those. 349 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's really important for me to have 350 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: good female characters in these books. Obviously, these books focused 351 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: largely on men, and that can often mean that female 352 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: characters don't really get much of a role in them. 353 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: But I try to write pretty good female side characters 354 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: at least and have them be important. And it's like 355 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: important to the story and important to the characters, and 356 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: also not just like obstacles or I don't know people 357 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: that I mean, or villains in any way, like I 358 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: just yeah, I think it's important to surround the characters 359 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: with strong female characters. And yeah, definitely the first book, 360 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: Game Changer, had quite a few, mostly because Kip has 361 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: like a good group of friends, including several women, which 362 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: is good. And then with the books that are more 363 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 3: focused on just hockey players, it's it can be a 364 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: little trickier to get women into the books, but I 365 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: always try to get at least at least a few, 366 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: and so we have like Rose and Svetlana and Una 367 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 3: Shane's mom in Heat of Rivalry, and yeah, it's something 368 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: that's important to me. I think, you know, I don't 369 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: want to have a book that's just men, and I 370 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: don't want to have a show that's just men. So 371 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm glad that I made those choices. 372 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some really great characters. It's fun to 373 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: watch them too, and I'm equally invested in their stories 374 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I hope you see a little 375 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: more with them, because it's yeah, it's really nice to see. 376 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: Is there an emotional risk you took with heated rivalry 377 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: that was hard for you, or like you took a 378 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: little while to get there on and this is going 379 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: to air after the series drops, so you can feel 380 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: free to say whatever you want to say, But yeah, 381 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: was there a certain section for you that was a 382 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: little more challenging to get through emotionally. 383 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: For writing or for the show? 384 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: I guess both. 385 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: I think for writing, when you get into near the 386 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: end of the book, some of Ilia's pain starts to 387 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 3: get revealed in the source of it, and that was 388 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: probably some of the trickiest stuff to write, because you know, 389 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 3: the rest of the book is is pretty light in 390 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: a lot of ways. So it's like I didn't want 391 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: to really like, yeah, I didn't want this like anvil 392 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: of sadness to suddenly emerge in the book, but I 393 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: needed to like explain Ilia a little and add a 394 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: little bit of weight to it. Certainly in the Long Game, 395 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot more of that in their sequel book. 396 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: But yeah, I would say, like, yeah, Ilia's mom in 397 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: particular and how she died is one of the It 398 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: was one of the trickiest things to write into a 399 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: scene that also had comedy in the same scene, like, 400 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 3: but I wanted to balance it and without you know, 401 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: making it seem like Ilia's mother's death wasn't a huge 402 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: deal because it's one of the most important finding things 403 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: about that character, and so that was tricky. And I 404 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: was also kind of like eager and anxious to see 405 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: that scene when he tells Shane about his mother on film, 406 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: and I think it's really beautiful the way that they 407 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: did it. But yeah, it was one that I was 408 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: a little bit nervous about because it's important. 409 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: To me, and that must be such a sigh of 410 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: relief when you do get to see how it translates 411 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: and be like, oh my. 412 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: God, they did it justice right. 413 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 414 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: Do you ever cry when you're writing for those moments. 415 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: I don't because I'm not like a crier. I'm like, yeah, 416 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: it's not something that comes very easily to me. Yeah, 417 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: so I guess on the inside. 418 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: On the inside, Hey, that counts. We're going to count 419 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: that too. I love that there's a scene that we 420 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: mentioned I think briefly earlier, and maybe we did it 421 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: yet it's the scene that we recently watched of them 422 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: in the club and all the things she said is playing, which, 423 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: by the way, I feel like Skyrocket it's a number 424 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: one in Stantley on the charts. 425 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: It's yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. 426 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fire. It's on my gym playlist now. 427 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: So I downloaded it too. It was like, I need 428 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: this remix. 429 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god. But that scene in the club. 430 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: Where they're both dancing and they're with women and it's 431 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: both heartbreaking but also sexy, and it's just this really 432 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: powerful scene. What does that scene mean to you? And 433 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: what do you think about how that turned out? 434 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: I love how it looked because, uh, yeah, I was 435 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: saying to a friend the other day, it's like that 436 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: kind of club scene is not unique, Like I knew 437 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: when I was writing it. It's not like we've never 438 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 3: seen a club scene kind of like that before. But 439 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: there's two people that are like kind of watching each 440 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: other and sort of like longing for each other. Like 441 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: like I've read those and I've seen those, But I 442 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: think what Jacob did with it is unique, and I 443 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: I love everything that he did with every with how 444 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: he filmed that. I love the song choice, I think 445 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: it was really Yeah, it was really sexy but also 446 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: really sad. Yeah. I love the when it goes to 447 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 3: the very end where they're both having their own sexual 448 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: experiences separately looking right at the camera. I was like, 449 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: that is, like I haven't seen that, So I thought 450 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: that was really memorable. 451 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a pivotal moment in some ways, because it's 452 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: like they're they're coming face to face with their feelings, right, 453 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: and deciding like which way are they going to go? 454 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Are they going to pretend that something's not happening or 455 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: are they going to honor what they're feeling? 456 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so yeah, we'll see what they decide. 457 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: We will see. 458 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: No, I was joking with my husband, I'm like, you 459 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: have no idea. This scene like literally happened to me 460 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: growing up when I was coming out Like this is 461 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: that was like my seat like in a club with 462 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: the guy and the girl. It was I mean, you 463 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: just nail what so many people go through. 464 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: I saw someone say that, like, no Canadian has not 465 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: had their heart broken in a Montreal club. 466 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 467 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: Probably not exactly true, but. 468 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: That's actually amazing funny point. Yeah, that's so cool. 469 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really blown away by how you tap into 470 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: the experiences of the queer community and how you do 471 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: it in such an honest and fun and spicy kind 472 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: of way. And you know, when I think back to 473 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: some of the projects that have come out over the 474 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: years and that are in the queer space, there's so 475 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: many great female writers behind them. 476 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? 477 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think part of it is just like I mean, 478 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: you know a lot of romance readers and fiction readers 479 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: in general are women, Like that's largely the demographic that's 480 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: reading fiction. So they might just be from reading a 481 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: lot having that be informing what you're writing. Yeah, I 482 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: don't know. And I think for me, I just I've 483 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: kind of had a lifelong fascination with men and masculinity, 484 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: and I think these books are away for me to 485 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: kind of like really dig into that and explore it. 486 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: It's something that you know, many of us want more 487 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: of it. It's like we can't, we can't get enough 488 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: of it. They're so good, they really really are. And 489 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not shock season two has been announced. 490 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: It's I was waiting, right, I was waiting for them, like, 491 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: all right, come on, when when is when is the 492 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: announcement happening. What is one of the number one things 493 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: you want to see in season two that you're excited? 494 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: It's a show. 495 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: Man, you know What's funny. It's like I had these ideas. 496 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: I was sure of what was going to be season two, 497 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: but now there's like so much demand for more Scott 498 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: and Kip, which I wasn't expecting, and like all these 499 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: other things. I'm like, maybe season two is going to 500 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: be different from what I was expecting. But I mean, 501 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: it's not really my call, but but I wonder if 502 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: if you know, the fan feedback will will affect what happens. 503 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 3: But yeah, for sure. I mean, the the characters of 504 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: Troy Barrett and Harris Drover from role Model are two 505 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 3: characters I very much would like to see on screen. 506 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 3: Role Model is one of my favorite books that I've written, 507 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 3: so I'd really like to see that one brought to life. 508 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot that you can do in 509 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: many directions, and that's probably what's so exciting about this all. 510 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: Do you have any idea when filming is going to start? 511 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't think anybody knows that yet. 512 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: People, you know, people are like, let's get that going 513 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: we need. 514 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: Tomorrow would be nice. I mean, scripts have to be written, 515 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 3: you know, things like that. 516 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's still a lot of things that have to happen, 518 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: but you know, I hope it'll be as quick as possible. 519 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll see, we'll stay tuned on that. 520 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: I had to ask the amazing fan community what were 521 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: some of their burning questions. So I gathered some of 522 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: the top ones that I saw like multiple, multiple, multiple 523 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: people writing about, and there's about like seven I think 524 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: I gathered together. And the first one is, this is 525 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: probably no surprise to you, but do you have any 526 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: more plans for Shane and Ilia books? 527 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: No? I mean I don't know. I'll say I don't 528 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: know because I've said no in the vast but i mean, 529 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: just like generally, like I do like writing like little 530 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: short stories and things about them, and I'm sure I 531 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: will do that. I can't really shake those guys out 532 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: of my brain, so you know, it's and this past 533 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: year I've been really immersed in them. So yeah, I mean, 534 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: if I get an idea for a story, i'll write it. 535 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: You know, if that story is a book, then maybe 536 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 3: it's a book. But for now, I don't have that idea, and. 537 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Based off the second book, you feel kind of satisfyed 538 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: with how it all wrapped up. 539 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do know that I've left it 540 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: in a place where people could want more, and I 541 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: do understand that, and you know, part of me wants 542 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: more as well. But it would have to be good. 543 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't want to write it just just because 544 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: the demand is there. I'd have to have a really 545 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: solid idea. 546 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that's respectable. 547 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: You want to put out good content, so I think 548 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: that matters more than just pumping out volumes of content 549 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: just for the sake of it, you know. Yeah, all right, 550 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: fair enough, let's see what else we have. Okay, this 551 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: you kind of just mentioned this, but a lot of 552 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: people wanted to know if there'll be a Kip and 553 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: Scott spin off. 554 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: Of the show. That's not my call, but I mean 555 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: i'd watch it. 556 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: I would watch it too. A lot of people would 557 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: watch it. People love their relationship. What do you love 558 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: about their dynamic together? 559 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: I like, Well, the reason why I enjoyed writing it 560 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 3: was was kind of like the this, Like you take 561 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: the classic like rich guy, poor guy thing, and it 562 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: seems like you know this total dream like kind of 563 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: penthouse type apartment in Manhattan and like that Kip now 564 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: it gets to live in and have this famous boyfriend, 565 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: but like he's kind of trapped there. It's like not 566 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: actually a dream. It sort of becomes a nightmare. Even 567 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: though he's quite happy with Scott. It's like he gets 568 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 3: lonelier and lonelier I think in the book too, because 569 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: the book's much longer than the episode is. It's like 570 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 3: you see kept getting more and more closed off from 571 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: his friends and family and and yeah, and how that 572 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: changes him. So I enjoyed like just kind of playing 573 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: with that trope of like the kind of millionaire romance. Like. 574 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: But what I like about them as a couple is 575 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: I think they're just they just like they're just good 576 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: for each other. Like I think they just give each 577 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: other what they each need. And yeah, and ultimately what 578 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 3: Kip gives Scott is like community and he gets to 579 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 3: like be himself with friends around him who accept him 580 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: for who he is, which he wasn't really getting in 581 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: from hockey. So I like that. Yeah, there's there's for 582 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: people who are looking for more Scott and Kip. The 583 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: fourth book in the series, Common Goal, has quite a 584 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: bit of them and kind of I'm not gonna say, 585 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: wraps up their story, but gives them a nice kind 586 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: of checks back in with them and gives you a 587 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: little more of a happy ending for them. Yeah. 588 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, good call shouting that out too, because that's so true. 589 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody knows that. So that's another 590 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: great place. 591 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: That's kind of the Scott and Kip sequel. 592 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a great place to find more content 593 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: on them. 594 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Another huge question. 595 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Huge just maybe like the number one question I saw 596 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: was people are wondering if Shane is a neurodivergent character. 597 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, if Shane's autistic, he doesn't know that, and he 598 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: might not ever know that, but he is. I think 599 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: it's realistic that someone with his life might not not 600 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: only not know it, but not even think to look 601 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: into it, at least not at this stage. But yeah, 602 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: that's how he's been written. Jacob certainly picked up on 603 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: that right away. I think Hudson picked up right up 604 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: on that right away. So I think we're all we're 605 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: all on board with this idea. But yeah, definitely that 606 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: is Yeah, that is true, and I think it's like 607 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: more clear on the show than it is in the 608 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: first book. I would say, I think they did a 609 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: good job of showing it. 610 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you for sure. 611 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: I think that's going to answer a lot of questions 612 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: from many people. I'm telling you that came in so much, Okay, 613 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: a couple more. A lot of people want. 614 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: To know who Shane's crushes from Friday Night Lights. 615 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, I've been asked that over the years. 616 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: I really wasn't thinking of anyone specific. There's a lot 617 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: to choose from. That's why I picked that show because 618 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: there was so many people it could be, so I 619 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: don't know if I want to confirm one. So just 620 00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: pick your favorite. 621 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: Pick your favorite. We like that. 622 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Choose your own option. That's great. Will Hudson and Connor 623 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: possibly do the audiobook for Heated Rivalry and re record it? 624 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: I mean I'd like that. That's I don't know. I 625 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: mean a lot of things would have to happen for 626 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: that to happen, but that would be amazing and I'm 627 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: sure people would really enjoy the You're all in, Yeah, 628 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: if they want to do it. I mean, you know, 629 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot of pieces, but yeah, it'd be cool. 630 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. 631 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: Well that's the fan portion of the of the conversation, 632 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: so thank you for that. You were very honest and 633 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: open about all the questions. I'm like, I don't know 634 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: if it's gonna answer all these We'll see, we'll see 635 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: my best. Yes, that was awesome. Well, as we begin 636 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: to wrap up, I've told you repeatedly how impressed I 637 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: am with your talent and your mind, and that's a 638 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: big reason why I wanted to have you on. I 639 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of you know, actors and singers and 640 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: artists on this show, and then I invite some authors 641 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: on who I really just respect and think have put 642 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: something in the world that really matters and says something 643 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: that we're all better off having. So I was like, 644 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: I've got to get you on the show and hear 645 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: from you directly, because you deserve the spotlight, you deserve 646 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: everything that's coming your way right now. And one of 647 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: the questions I ask on this show at the end, 648 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: I wrap up every conversation with which is based on 649 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: the title of the show, with the question of what 650 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: is one thing you've never said before? 651 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: And it was born. 652 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Because I cover a lot of movie premieres and you know, 653 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: junkets and one on ones at these film premieres, which 654 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: gives you two minutes with somebody, and it's not real conversation, 655 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: and half the time everyone's answering the same questions over 656 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: and over, and I'm like, God, I want to do 657 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: a long format show where people can come on and 658 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: just say whatever they want and then at the end 659 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: say something They don't always get a chance to say 660 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: whatever that means to them. So the final question is, 661 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: what is one thing that you've never said before that 662 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: you want to share today? 663 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: Oh boy, I think the thing that I haven't said before, 664 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to say it carefully, is that I think 665 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of 666 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: talk online about my own sexuality and that of members 667 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: of my family as well, and some stuff stated as 668 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: fact and some stuff is speculated. And I've never said 669 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: I don't talk publicly about my personal life for the 670 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: sake of my family and my children and you know, privacy. 671 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: But the thing I haven't said that I think is 672 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: important to me is that I don't think it ultimately 673 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: matters because what I'm writing is I'm not a man, 674 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: and I'm not a gay man, and I'm not a 675 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: bisexual man, so that's who I'm writing about. So I 676 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: don't think that the people that I am attracted to 677 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: at this stage of my life gives me like any 678 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: kind of credibility to write about gay men or bisexual men. 679 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: So as much as I know people want to know, 680 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: I don't think it ultimately matters. And yeah, I would 681 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 3: not ever like try to use my sexuality as a 682 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 3: way of being like, see, I have the right to 683 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: write these books, because I don't think that that that's 684 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: how it works. I think it's like you have to 685 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: just be sensitive and thoughtful when you approach these books 686 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 3: whatever you're writing. And I don't know that's a complicated 687 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: thing now I'm saying way too much, but yeah, basically 688 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: those are the thoughts I've had the last few weeks 689 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: when suddenly these kinds of questions are being asked about me. 690 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really valid. And I think that's 691 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: an important point too, because I think everybody has the 692 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: ability to create the art that they want and they 693 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: can write or you know, sing or direct or do 694 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: whatever they want, I mean, tell any type of story 695 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: they want. So that's the freedom everybody has. It doesn't 696 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: matter at the end of the day, who you're sleeping 697 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: with or who you're not sleeping with. So I think 698 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: there's become such a focus on that, especially with actors 699 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: and artists, and it's like, you know, you got to 700 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: separate the work from the human and it's a different thing. 701 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, yeah, criticize the work, not as 702 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: criticize the person making it if they deserve it. 703 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, the work first. Yeah, one hundred percent. Man, 704 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: what like, what a lesson you've had to kind of 705 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: learn and face slightly being thrown into the popularity of 706 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: this what this book series has become with the show, 707 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: You're like, suddenly people are wondering about my life. 708 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: No, it's definitely weird because authors, generally we don't like 709 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 3: to be looked at. So yeah, yeah different. 710 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: Oh well, I am super grateful you came on to 711 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: hang out today. I like I said, I'm so proud 712 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: to put my name behind having someone on from the 713 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: show like yourself, who is doing so much good for 714 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: the world with This is the World. Because I live 715 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: in New York City, it's a very different experience as 716 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: a gay man living in New York City than half 717 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: the country's out there, right, Yeah, so the fact that 718 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: this exists is. 719 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 2: A really, really, really big deal. 720 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: And I think you're writing I've gone back and and 721 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: really I haven't read all the books. I'm reading some 722 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: now on my kindle at night, and I just I 723 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: love the world of escapism you create. So it's really 724 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: been a pleasure getting to learn more about you and 725 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: talk today and dive into more of your work. Well, 726 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: thank you, yeah, thank you so much for hanging out. 727 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what comes next from you. 728 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: Season two. Here we go, it will be ready in 729 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: like three months. We're ready. 730 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, be ready for January. 731 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: Perfect, perfect, We can't wait. Well, thank you so much 732 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: for hanging out. 733 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me. 734 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Diderio. 735 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Pivlsi at iHeartRadio 736 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've 737 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran 738 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. For more, rate review and 739 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: subscribe to our show and if you liked this episode, 740 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: tell your friends. Until next time. I'm Tommy Didario.