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Speaker 1: Country music superstar John Rich has a message for Sean

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Speaker 1: Ditty Combs as he faces sentencing and the advice he

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Speaker 1: has about bouncing back from defeat and the power of art.

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Speaker 1: You have to hear it all on this edition of

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Speaker 1: The Arroyo Grande Show. Come on, I'm Raymond Arroyo. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Arroyo Grande. Go subscribe to the show. Now turn

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Speaker 1: and we've got some amazing things in the days ahead.

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Speaker 1: Country music superstar John Rich is my guest on this

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Speaker 1: episode with Shaun Didty. Colmbs recently found guilty on two

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Speaker 1: counts of trafficking individuals for prostitution and immoral purposes. He

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Speaker 1: now faces sentencing. The federal law he violated, the Man Act,

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Speaker 1: carries a maximum sentence of ten years, which brought to

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Speaker 1: mind comments John Rich made to me recently. The songwriter,

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Speaker 1: singer and father is a fighter, one whose faith moves

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Speaker 1: him to call out injustices that he sees around him.

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Speaker 1: He had some choice words for Diddy and I also

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Speaker 1: spoke to John about coming back after a defeat and

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Speaker 1: the power of art. His advice is worth heating. You've

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Speaker 1: got a new song that I just heard. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been reading, but I've been reading about it and

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Speaker 1: it STI tell me about this song.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you can say you're inspired by Sean Combs.

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Speaker 2: I saw a video a couple of weeks ago of

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Speaker 2: that monster looking right into the microphone bright lights on

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Speaker 2: a stage. He looks in the camera and he goes,

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Speaker 2: I own your soul. I own it. I determine what

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Speaker 2: your kids wear. I determine what your kids listen to.

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Speaker 2: I determine all these things about your life, about your

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Speaker 2: kid's lives. And he's got that look in his face,

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Speaker 2: just look like looking straight at the devil. And I said,

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Speaker 2: look at this guy walking out here in broad daylight,

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Speaker 2: saying he owns us and owns the souls of our children.

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Speaker 2: Reminded me of Goliath walking out, mister hein and mighty,

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Speaker 2: mister powerful, biggest guy on the block walking out when

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Speaker 2: Gliath called out the Israelis and he's just mocking them incessantly,

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Speaker 2: and they all stood back, like, what are we going

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Speaker 2: to do? He's too powerful, he's too big. And then

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Speaker 2: David walks up and hits him with a rock, which

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Speaker 2: didn't kill him. He helped him down. He takes Golias

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Speaker 2: on sword and cuts his head off. So I go, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: Sean Combs. So your weapon of choice is music? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Mine too nice to meet you. So I thought, you

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Speaker 2: know what, nobody's written a song about these devils. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: written that so.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's really not about the devil, It's about the

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Speaker 1: defiant reaction to the devil. Correct.

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Speaker 2: We are not supposed to, as Christians, be weak. The

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Speaker 2: people that wrote the books in the Bibles were not

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Speaker 2: weak people. Jesus was not a weak Jesus was so

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Speaker 2: strong he allowed human beings to torture him to death.

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Speaker 2: He allowed them to do that. It says in the

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Speaker 2: Bible that we are supposed to be weapons in the

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Speaker 2: hands of God to tear down the thresholds of Hell itself.

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Speaker 2: A weapon cannot swing itself. An axe cannot cut down

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Speaker 2: a tree by itself. It takes an operator to pick

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Speaker 2: that axe up. Now, you hope when you pick it

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Speaker 2: up that it is heavy and it is sharp, and

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Speaker 2: it has cut trees down before. And when you start

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Speaker 2: wailing away at that tree, chunks of wood are going

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Speaker 2: myself and I look at other Christians in this country,

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Speaker 2: that we better be preparing ourselves to be the tool

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Speaker 2: He created you to be. Maybe one guy's an axe,

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Speaker 2: they do this. Everybody's got their job, But be prepared

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Speaker 2: to use you to bring it to these people, Raymond.

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Speaker 2: The most egregious sin I believe a person can commit

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Speaker 2: you'd be better off to have a millstone tied around

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Speaker 2: your neck and cast into the sea than to ever

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Speaker 2: cause one of these little ones to stumble. He didn't

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Speaker 2: He said to mess with them at all, to mess

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Speaker 2: of God felt about it. And now we look around

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Speaker 2: our country and Tom Holman's going, there's three hundred to

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Speaker 2: the American citizen bingo, And we're allowing this to go forward.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got people like Sean Combe standing there

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Speaker 1: How long are we going to sit.

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Speaker 2: Around and just let them keep talking to us like that,

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Speaker 2: because it ain't just talk. They're doing it. So that's

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Speaker 2: what set you off to all this big time? Can

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Speaker 2: you tell me? Can you tell?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I can. I could feel it in the lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Face is getting hot talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Tell people about this song. About the lyrics, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's basically, go and repent now, brother, while I go

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Speaker 1: get my gun. This is not I'm gonna go pray

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Speaker 2: The point of the song is, you come after my kids.

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Speaker 2: Horrible things are going to happen to you. You will

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Speaker 2: not survive what happens to you. If you come after

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Speaker 2: my kids, you will not survive. You think you're tough,

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Speaker 2: Try it one time, come on, come on up my road,

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Speaker 2: Come on up and try to get my kid one time.

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Speaker 2: Try to take one of my sons and see what

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Speaker 2: I do to you is what the song is all about.

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Speaker 2: And it talks about because we fight with the sword

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Speaker 2: of the Heavenly Father and we ain't afraid to die.

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Speaker 2: Are you afraid to die for your kids? Me?

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Speaker 1: Either?

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Speaker 2: I would stand right in front of whatever I had

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Speaker 2: to gladly, happily. That song is going to keep them,

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Speaker 2: you know, to keep these demons off my kid.

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Speaker 1: That song is going to be a huge hit, not

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Speaker 1: because you wrote it to be a big hit, but

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Speaker 1: because it resonates.

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Speaker 2: I wrote it out of sheer anger towards these people,

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Speaker 2: and I want most of them. Probably won't hear this song.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know when I'm going to put it out,

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Speaker 2: probably pretty soon. It doesn't matter if they don't hear it.

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Speaker 2: I want parents to hear it. I want parents, moms

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Speaker 2: and dads to realize we do not have to put

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Speaker 2: up with these people and listen to them and give

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Speaker 2: no rebut back to them. Because they're so powerful. They

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Speaker 2: have no power. Their power comes from the Father of lies,

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Speaker 2: and we all know what happens to him. He gets

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Speaker 2: utterly destroyed in the end. You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I do, and John, I love that you're writing This

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Speaker 1: is the path of every artist, whether it's Irving Berlin

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Speaker 1: or the great novelists of the eighteenth century. They're writing

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Speaker 1: about their time and they're using their art to speak

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Speaker 1: to that moment, correct, And that makes it like the

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Speaker 1: Book of Revelation. It's true in the moment it was written,

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Speaker 1: it's true for all time. In the case Revelation, it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen in the future too. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: the alpha and the omega, it's all of it. Art

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Speaker 1: has that same power, though in some ways do you

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Speaker 1: feel a part of that and has that and why

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Speaker 1: aren't others speaking to that same country? Music always reflected

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Speaker 1: the heart of the people in a powerful direct way,

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Speaker 1: and we're still singing he stopped loving Her today and

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Speaker 1: we're still singing those songs. Yeah, because they were so

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Speaker 1: true in the moment they were written. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: this is a part of that tradition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel that the age were currently in

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Speaker 2: the world and in our country. Sometimes I wonder if

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Speaker 2: Johnny Cash was alive in twenty twenty four, what would

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Speaker 2: he say if Charlie Daniels, who was a good friend

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, right before it all got crazy. What would

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: These are old men, and I have to think there's

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Speaker 2: your eighties that you just don't care anymore. Well, I'm

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Speaker 2: don't care. As a matter of fact, it worries me

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Speaker 2: more if something is laid on me to go say

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Speaker 2: saying it, because guess who you just upset the boss.

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Speaker 2: I put that on you and you did not follow

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Speaker 2: through with it. So guess what. I ain't sending you

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Speaker 2: any more of those or whatever else he might decide

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Speaker 2: to do. I think he opens doors for people who

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Speaker 2: he opens doors for everybody. I think he opens especially

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Speaker 2: the dangerous doors, the doors he goes. I need this

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Speaker 2: hear this message song, whatever it might be. And so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in that kid's brain and

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Speaker 2: through with it. And I'll be honest, it is unnerving

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Speaker 2: to talk about those things, those subjects.

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Speaker 1: What do your colleagues say to you?

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Speaker 2: Most of them that are my actual friends. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for saying that. Ah, I wish I could say that.

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Speaker 1: I get that a lot. I'll bet I'll have.

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Speaker 2: Some of the biggest country artists out there, even some

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Speaker 2: Wish I could say that. Wish I could show you

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Speaker 2: those over and over and over that say that, and

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Speaker 2: I go, well, that's I wish they would say it,

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Speaker 2: But I understand why they don't. They're right in the

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Speaker 2: middle of what's going going on. I know what's at stake.

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Speaker 2: So maybe my job, Raymond is right now is to

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Speaker 2: keep your mind standing wide open and he hits you

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Speaker 2: with something that he wants to be said, write it down,

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Speaker 2: do it the best you can, and unapologetically slam it

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your father, Jim, who was a pastor,

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Speaker 1: but he spread the gospel in an interesting way. I

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Speaker 1: ready he had to always had a guitar with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell me how that marked you. What you learned from him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a singer songwriter. Actually went to college on

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Speaker 2: a vocal scholarship. You know, he's a real singer. And

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Speaker 2: at nineteen he said, I was called to go preach

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Speaker 2: at nineteen and so he said, so that's why I

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Speaker 2: started doing. He started on college campuses where he was

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Speaker 2: he started going. He went to the Democrat National Convention

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Speaker 2: right after that, and then he started going to places

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Speaker 2: like Marty Grass, the Indianapolis five hundred, all kinds of

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Speaker 2: major events around the US. And he would go out

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Speaker 2: him and start singing. And I asked him why. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I understand the point of why you're doing that. What

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Speaker 2: a great thing to do, But man, you're such a

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Speaker 2: charismatic guy, You're such a great minister. You could have

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Speaker 2: been preaching at a massive church somewhere. He goes, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because the people I was told to preach to will

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Speaker 2: never walk into one of those churches. The people I

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Speaker 1: You feel that calling on your life? Now, I think

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Speaker 1: And the guitar. You all, you and your father shared

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about your origin story. You leave home,

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Speaker 2: So that's what I did. I took off on the

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Speaker 1: Look back, and you have a number one hit. Of course,

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Speaker 2: And when that happens, they'll take these greenhorn songwriters like

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Speaker 2: Yes, do not hang out with people that are at

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Speaker 2: to this one, this one and that one and that one. Yeah,

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00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: but are you pretty good compared to Johnny Cash?

434
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Right?

435
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: No, and you never will, but you're pretty good to

436
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: compare to George Jones. No, Okay, Then keep their faces

437
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: on the wall when you're writing, which is what I

438
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: have at my house. What you learn from pro country

439
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: songwriters is which is what I know now and how

440
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: I do it. And if you listen to my songs,

441
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: you'll hear this play out. The first line of the song.

442
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 2: Better get your attention, I mean, right out of the gate,

443
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 2: you better say something bang, gotcha. That way they'll hear

444
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: the second line and the third, and really you want

445
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: every line in the song to be a standalone thought.

446
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a I'm a still picture songwriter. So

447
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: some people saw different styles. But some people like to write,

448
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, some chronological story. And that's fine too. I

449
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: love those songs.

450
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

451
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: For me, ninety percent of what I write would be

452
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here with you. I take a mental picture

453
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: of this room, and I write what's happening in that room,

454
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: so you could literally watch the picture and listen to

455
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: the song and be in the picture. I write in pictures.

456
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: I try to put you in the spot, make you

457
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: smell it, feel it, taste it. I want you to

458
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: feel what's going on in this situation of the lyrics

459
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: so almost voyeuristic to a degree. I've been able to

460
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: write songs for other people. Faith Hill said, I wish

461
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: you'd write me a song. Said, I'd love to write

462
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: your song. Faith, what do you want to sing about?

463
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: Mississippi? Being for Mississippi?

464
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: Do you know you know well? I know your songs, Yeah,

465
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: she says, I said, what do you want to sing about?

466
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: She goes, I don't know. Write a song where it

467
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 2: would only make sense if I sang it, no other

468
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: girl singer could even sing it. What do you make

469
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: sense for them? I went, well, that's quite a homework assignment. Okay,

470
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: all right, let me think about it. So we're right

471
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: on tour with Tim McGraw at the time, and Faith

472
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: was out there. And during the day you see Faith

473
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: Hill back in the back parking lots by the tour buses,

474
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: flip flops, cut off jeans, ball app sipping a corona,

475
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: got her kids playing at a kiddie pool. I mean,

476
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: just mom. And then the concert hits and Faith comes

477
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: walking off the bus in an evening gown and diamond

478
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: ear rings and her hair's all done, and she's singing

479
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: Itch Your Love with Tim mcgrawl of thirty thousand people,

480
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: and five minutes later she's right back in the parking

481
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: lot with her flip flops ball cap. I said, that's

482
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: what the fans don't know about Faith, because she had

483
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: been doing some Hollywood movies at that point, and a

484
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: lot of the fans said, oh, she's gone Hollywood. She

485
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: forgot about where she came from. So I said, I'm

486
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: gonna write a song about where she comes from. So

487
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: the first line of the song it's a long way

488
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 2: from Star, Mississippi, her hometown, to the big stage. I'm

489
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: singing on a night. So Martina can't sing that, Shanaia

490
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: can't sing that, Gretchen can't sing that, Riba can't sing

491
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: that because none of those people are from Star. You

492
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: see what I mean. So there's approaches that I've taken

493
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: to songs, all various approaches, but in general, it's writing

494
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: in pictures Gretchen Wilson.

495
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: Then you write redneck woman for greting right, Wilson?

496
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: That out after that? Would know it was right before Faith.

497
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Faith came to me because she heard me.

498
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: You heard that one.

499
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: She said, I want a redneck woman for me.

500
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: I need my song. I don't blame her, she's got

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: a good air.

502
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was quite a challenge, and I.

503
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't take you back. What happened with Long Start? They

504
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: boot you out of the band? Yes, they did? Why

505
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: because I deserved it? Why because I was.

506
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: A real ass and it was hard to deal with?

507
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: Man? Why were you so difficult? You're just you're feeling

508
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: your road. You got a number one hit right out

509
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: the gate, right, yes? And and when you grow up?

510
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: So I grew up in a double wide trailer Emerald, Texas.

511
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: We didn't miss meals, but wasn't any extra laying around,

512
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: and a lot of people around me had said not

513
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 2: my dad, but others were down on me, down on

514
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: me all the time. Growing up, I was very as

515
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: you can imagine, headstrong kid. And when I finally broke

516
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: through and made it to the other side and had

517
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: started having real big success like that, I took success

518
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: like a hammer, and anybody that had ever messed with me,

519
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: I just whack them in ahead with it. By the

520
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: way I would talk, the way I would live, the

521
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: way what I would drive, how I would present myself,

522
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: what I would say in a meeting, what I would

523
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: say on a microphone. I mean, just one hundred percent

524
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: totally engrossed with my own arrogance. And so at one

525
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: point the band just said, you know what, we've had

526
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: just but enough of you thing. It's time for you

527
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: to go wow, which sucked because the very next song

528
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: they put out was Amazed Yeah, one of their biggest

529
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: songs in country. And I was sitting at home in

530
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: my little apartment that I no longer could pay for

531
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: because I just lost my income, lost my record deal,

532
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: and lost my what publishing deal because by the fault

533
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: you get the pub deal lost them both lost. The

534
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: management lost, a business manager lost, the shows on the road,

535
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: lost all of it. Boom, just like that in a

536
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: phone call. So, I'm sitting at home watching my old

537
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: band except the award for Amazed.

538
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: And so, and you thought what when you watched it? Oh.

539
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: I was viciously upset at them initially and then started realizing, well,

540
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: I would have fired me too. I would have fired me.

541
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: I deserve being fired over that. So I thought, well,

542
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: now what do I do? Maybe I can get a

543
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: solo record deal.

544
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: I got one, You got one.

545
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: I got one and it flopped. Put out two songs

546
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: and neither one of them hit. So I lost that deal.

547
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Now I'm a two time loser. I got kicked out

548
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: of a band. My solo deal failed, and in country

549
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 2: music that's a big deal. If you can't hit your

550
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: radio goes. Now he tried it didn't work. Next, I mean,

551
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: it is just like that. It was at that point

552
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: I got some really good advice from a couple of

553
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: the older songwriters, and they said, listen, when everything is

554
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: out out of your control, find the one thing you

555
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: can still control. And control it well. They said, that

556
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: could be what you're eating. How many pushups did you

557
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: do today? Whatever? Find what you can still control and

558
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: control it well. For me, that was a pencil and

559
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: a piece.

560
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: Of paper writing back to the chora writing.

561
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: So in the course of about four or five years,

562
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: I wrote around seven to eight hundred songs because you

563
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: couldn't stop me from writing, and I write, I want

564
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: every single day.

565
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: All were making ends meet What were you doing?

566
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: There was still a little bit of money coming in

567
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: from come crying to me and a couple of other things.

568
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: But that's about it. That's about it. It was.

569
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: It was burning down then.

570
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: And then I meet Big Kitty, which I know you're

571
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: gonna ask about, and he was kind of the same

572
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: thing where he was just writing every single day and

573
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: misunderstood by the industry. You know, my anglic country music

574
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: was ac DC was a banjo player. That's what it

575
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: sounded like. That's what I wanted to sound, you know.

576
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to do save Ors, ride a cowboy Lone Star,

577
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do mister Mom. They want to do love

578
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: songs and family songs. I wanted to do stuff that

579
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: make the college campus so controlling what I could control

580
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: in that time period. One of those songs got recorded

581
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: in that span of time, but the second bigg And

582
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Rich and Gretchen hit. Al Dean also hit, which I

583
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: wrote four number ones on his first record, and then

584
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: the whole city starts coming to me and goes, you

585
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: got any more songs like these? I go, yeah, here's

586
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: nine hundred.

587
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: You go, you're giving them.

588
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: So there was just a raid on my catalog where

589
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: everybody wanted to cut those kinds of songs, and so

590
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: all the stuff I've been stockpiling now is valuable.

591
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: So what's the lesson for people who find themselves in

592
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: those positions, those predicaments where God maybe hitting you across

593
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: the head two by four, Yeah, to reorient you do

594
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: what you can control. Is that the lesson.

595
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: Boil it down to the simplest thing that you can

596
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: still control. And it could, like I said, it could

597
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: be what you're eating every day. It could be that

598
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna call your mother every day, it could be

599
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: whatever it's going to be. You go find a charity

600
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: you're going to want to go work with, and go

601
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: do the best you can at that. You basically start

602
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: rebuilding yourself. What you'll find is when you get that

603
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: next opportunity, which you will, because opportunities continue to come

604
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: for people that continue to push. All that stuff that

605
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: you screwed up in those first times come to bear

606
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: again and you go, oh, yeah, I'm not going to

607
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: be that guy this time. I'm going to be this guy.

608
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: And that's a never endings.

609
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: I love that story. I mean, I read about this

610
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: that you're rebuilding, but you're also you're quietly and maybe

611
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to you, rebuilding the future because that in the

612
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: panic and the loss, in the hurt, you found why

613
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: you were here.

614
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: Well, there's two ways have gone when you're that upset

615
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: and now you're embarrassed in front of the whole industry

616
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: and your money is gone. Two ways to go. One,

617
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: drink your face off twenty four hours a day and

618
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: wind back up down on Broadway playing in a bar

619
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: somewhere as the guy who used to be in Lone Star,

620
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: and that's your claim to fame for the rest of

621
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: your life. A lot of people do they make that out,

622
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: Oh a lot of them. The other is to back

623
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: down into what got you in the game in the

624
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: first place. What's your original goals? Go back to piece

625
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: of paper and a pencil. Cheapest thing in the world.

626
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: Everybody has that.

627
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: How did you and Big Kenny meet? How did you meet?

628
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: And why did the partnership work.

629
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: There was a girl that worked for Fender Guitars named

630
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: Cindy Simmons, and back then, Cindy's job she was an

631
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: artist rep. So her job was to find up and

632
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: coming singers that she thought might get a record deal

633
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: or might get them early and say, oh, I see

634
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: you're playing that nothing to get your guitar, but that's

635
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: not a great guitar. And they go, that's all I

636
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: could afford. She goes, how about if I get you

637
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: a brand new Fender guitar? And they go what She'd go,

638
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: here you go? And she tried to get them to

639
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 2: play Fenders and then when they hopefully they'd go hit

640
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: almost like venture cap right. I can give it to

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: one hundred artists, three of them get deals and they're

642
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: playing Fenders.

643
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Right.

644
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: So she had done that with me and done that

645
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: with Big Kenny, and we didn't know each other. She

646
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: knew the two of us separately and had told him

647
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: and told me about the other and hit me up

648
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: one night and said, hey, Big Kenny is playing a

649
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: show down at Douglas Corner. I said, okay, I'm gonna

650
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: be down here. Come on down here. I want you

651
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: to hear him. I said, can I ask you a question?

652
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: Why Big? I said? Is he big and fat, big

653
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: and loud, big and tall. That's the dumdest thing I've

654
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: ever heard. Why is he called that? She goes, Just

655
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: come see him and you'll it'll make sense when you

656
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: see a show. I said, okay, fine, So I go

657
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: down and sure enough, he walks out on statures. He

658
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: is tall, he's about six y fourth but all his

659
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: hair and he's going to everybody. He's like Willie Walker,

660
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, what is that. Hagrid didn't like

661
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: him at all. I'm like, that's a strange individual. I

662
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: wonder what he sings like. And then I hear about

663
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: sixty minutes of his set and I went, I don't

664
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: know what I just heard, but that was some of

665
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: the most creative things I've ever heard somebody. Right, So

666
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: when it was over, walked up to him, Hey man,

667
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm Johnny goes, oh, hey, I've heard about you, right,

668
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: and he goes. Cindy says, we ought to write a song,

669
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: because what are you doing tomorrow morning? I go, I'm

670
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: not doing anything. He goes, well, you want to come

671
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: over to my house and write a song, so she'll

672
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: leave us alone. Basically I said, yeah, I'll come over.

673
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: We wrote that next day. That was October of ninety nine.

674
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Next day, we wrote again, next day, next day, next day,

675
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: And we have written hundreds and hundreds of songs. And

676
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: as a joke, people started calling us big and rich.

677
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: We'd show up at somewhere late at night to come

678
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: hang out there, but go, oh, look it's big and rich.

679
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: Ha ha. That's where that came from.

680
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: That's where it came from. Yeah.

681
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: So Kenny is Kenny and are really polar opposites on

682
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: many many things, including creatively. And so what's interesting about

683
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: that is I'll come at you with a straight line

684
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: and he's coming at you with flowers. So, like I said,

685
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: Kenny likes to smell the flowers and I like to

686
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: mow them down. But when you lock those two together,

687
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: what do you get, Raymond? You get a three sixty

688
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: view at the whole song, at the whole subject that

689
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: you're writing, whether it's a love song, party song, whatever song.

690
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: So that that locking in of the two opposites like

691
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: that have really created something. I know.

692
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: It's hard to describe why partnership work, creative partnership works.

693
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: It's always hard. I mean I remember talking to Jerry

694
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: Lewis about why he and Dean Martin worked right, and

695
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: he knew, but he didn't know. How would you why

696
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: does this partnership work?

697
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: I would take that answer. I would say, you know,

698
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: but you don't know.

699
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that Jerry said it was love.

700
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I would say on between Kenny and I,

701
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: it's mass respect for the other person's competency and ability

702
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: and creative energy. I don't have what he has and

703
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: he does not have what I have, and we both

704
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: know that. You know, it's like in a relationship, if

705
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: you're both the same, one of you is irrelevant. That

706
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: goes for marriage to that is exactly right, you know,

707
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: it's the opposite track. Well, that's a real thing. I mean,

708
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: you want to be strong where they're not, and you

709
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: want them strong where you're not. And I think even

710
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: though you know we've disagreed over the years strongly on

711
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: a lot of different things, like what we've disagreed on

712
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: political things, we've disagreed on musical things, business moves. You

713
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: can imagine it's a duo. Man, it's hard both have

714
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: to agree or it does not happen. Right, And so

715
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: if you had, you know, three people, or it's a

716
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: band like lone Star, majority rules. There's no majority in

717
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: a duo, yeah, right, it's one in martnership.

718
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but throughout.

719
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: Now you're looking at twenty years since our first record

720
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: came out, came out in two thousand and four.

721
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: Amazing.

722
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: We're still on the road doing fifty sixty cities a year.

723
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: The crowds are, I would argue, maybe bigger than they

724
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: were back in the day. You know, all our original

725
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: fans are all still there, and now it's their kids

726
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: are all coming out. You got college girls hanging out

727
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: with their moms going save of ours right again, loving it.

728
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: And then the Patriot crowd from songs like Eighth of November. Right,

729
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: It's just massive at our shows. So I think we're

730
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: a good example of how Americans ought to try to be.

731
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: Me and Big Kenny, are you.

732
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: Get your first record deal? Worried about that first record

733
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: coming off of what you would come off of?

734
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: Well, the whole music industry, except for one guy said,

735
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: big and rich music is what is that? I mean,

736
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: is this a clown show? What are you guys trying

737
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: to do? I mean, first of all, John kicked out

738
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: a loan star, his solo deal totally failed. And what

739
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: is a big Kenny? I mean really, and you've got

740
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: a big black rapping cowboy, cowboy Troy who at that

741
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: points working at foot locker in Dallas, Texas. They're like, guys,

742
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: it sounds like a lot of fun. Enjoy playing that

743
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 2: in the bars. That was everybody's answer except one guy

744
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: named Paul Whirley. And Paul Whirley is one of the

745
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 2: best record producers, guitar players it's ever been, highly creative guy.

746
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: He signed the Dixie Chicks and a bunch of others.

747
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: He was producer Martina McBride, and he heard about us

748
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: at a jam we were doing called the Music Mafia,

749
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: where Paul's daughter Ashley had started coming to these On

750
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Music Mafia, seventy eighty people crammed into a room on

751
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: Tuesday nights, me and Kenny and other artists that we

752
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: knew that nobody had a record deal, we would jam

753
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: and Paul came down and saw that He goes you

754
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: guys want to come to my office tomorrow. I just

755
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: became the president of Warner Brothers Records last week. We went, yeah,

756
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: we'd love to come to your office. We're thinking we're

757
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: going to pitch him a song for somebody. We get

758
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: in his office, he goes, no, I want to talk

759
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: about Big and Rich. I think that's a thing. We

760
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: go to his office and he said, play me some

761
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: songs that you would play if you had your own record.

762
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: So we started playing those songs and he goes. He

763
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: slams his hand out on the table. He goes, boys,

764
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: I want to do this. Kenny goes, you want to

765
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: do what? He goes, I want to sign Big and

766
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: Rich to Warner Brothers Records. And I looked at Kenny.

767
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I said, are you hearing this? He goes, are you

768
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: serious right now? And he goes, yeah, I want to

769
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: do it. And we went well, all right, and we

770
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: high fived. I was it and off to the races.

771
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: So he was short of him, seeing that there was

772
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: something there. I doubt you'd have ever heard of us.

773
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: Course of the different colors at first time they fought

774
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you though on Oh, they including some of your biggest.

775
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: The industry hated that record why because it didn't sound

776
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: like anything that it ever happened. And Nashville goes through

777
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: these phases. I think it's in one right now it

778
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: starts trying to break out where it sounds like they

779
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: all went to the school of redundancy school.

780
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: You mean the truck I left my truck running school.

781
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean, same tempo, same court progressions, everybody looks the same,

782
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: the storylines are all the same. And it's kind of

783
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: gotten back into that. There's a few breakouts starting to

784
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: push out now. But at this point, country music, that's

785
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: where it was at that point, and they said, you

786
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: don't fit on country radio. What are you even singing about?

787
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, really, you guys are songs based off of

788
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: bumper stickers you saw, which is exactly what save worst

789
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: right A cowboy was what, Oh, he has a bumper sticker.

790
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: You saw a bumper sticker.

791
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 2: The friend of ours saw it, yeah, and said that'd

792
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: be a funny song. Right. We're like, yeah, it would

793
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: be a funny song. Let me go, right, And it

794
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 2: was a funny and it is a funny song.

795
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: But they said, no, don't do it. They said this

796
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't This is saying to trivialize you.

797
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: If you put this on the record, guys, nobody's going

798
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: to take you seriously. And we said, but yeah. When

799
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: we played at Music Mafia, people go nuts. They're like, Okay,

800
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: we'll put it on the record. We'll just bury it

801
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 2: in the track count. We'll put it at track seven

802
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: or eight. It's not going to be a single though,

803
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: that's fine, just let us put it on the record.

804
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: So we put the record out. A song called wild

805
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: West Show was our first single, and when that single

806
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: came out, the whole record became available, so fans started

807
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: buying a record. Next thing, you know, radio stations are

808
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 2: getting hey, can you play track seven on the horse

809
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: of a different color record? On drivetime? On Friday? Wow,

810
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: a station in Florida played it one time. Phones exploded

811
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: and we went The record label goes, well, I guess

812
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be the single A single.

813
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: Thought.

814
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because if we walked out and didn't play

815
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: sab Ors Ride a Cowboy, they'd be throwing stuff at us.

816
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, how do you write and where do you write? Well?

817
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: I write for various You say, how.

818
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: Do I write? You know? I like to be in

819
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: my I like quiet I don't like a lot of

820
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: noise when I write, but I'm not writing music right,

821
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: So where do you go? Do you have to be

822
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: in a place so you write wherever you are.

823
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: I sit next to Tom Petty one time in La

824
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: at the ASCAP Expo, which is a huge songwriters deal.

825
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: It was usher, Tom Petty and me, I'm the country

826
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: guy on the panel, and a lady asked Tom Petty

827
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: from the audience, mister Petty, how do you get your

828
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: ideas for your songs?

829
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you that one. I know, bumper sticker.

830
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: He's leaning back in his chare. He goes, well, I

831
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: just stick my antennat there as far as it'll go

832
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: and wait for a song to drift across it. Then

833
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: he just stopped talking. The whole place went okay, but laughing.

834
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Hey Tom, and I heard that answer. I went, that

835
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: is not far off from exactly how it is. I

836
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: don't know what it is in a songwriter's brain, but

837
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: you don't just walk around thinking about songs all the time.

838
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: But there is a spot that if you give me

839
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: three or four minutes, it's almost like you can turn

840
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: a key and it opens up. I always point to

841
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: this down in my head. It feels like they come

842
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: out of here for some reason. But all of a

843
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: sudden it opens up and you as a songwriter, I

844
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: will hear melodies, rhythms, lyrics, all kinds of stuff. It's

845
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: almost like a faucet. Turn it on and turn it off,

846
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: turn it on. Every now and then one will hit

847
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: me so hard that I wasn't in the frame of

848
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: mind to write a song, and it will literally just

849
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: come into my head like as loud as you can imagine.

850
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: And that doesn't happen very often. It happened with a

851
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: song called Revelation or something. That's when you grab a

852
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 2: guitar off the wall and tell everybody, Okay, I'm going

853
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: off in another room. I need an hour and get

854
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: your pencil out and you get to going out.

855
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: But you write along. You like quiet when you write

856
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: when you're working the song.

857
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: If I'm working a song, now, I gotta be by myself.

858
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, but I figured yeah.

859
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Because you're wrestling with your own thoughts, you know.

860
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Is it harder writing for others when you write women easy?

861
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: I mean you're a for Taylor Swift as well.

862
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'sier writing for somebody else.

863
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Because you can see the whole person on you.

864
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: You can't see me.

865
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: It's harder writing see you.

866
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: You want me to write a song about you and

867
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: about this this podcast. I can do that for you

868
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: in about ten minutes. I can have you a song.

869
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Ready to go, a new a royal ground.

870
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: I think I can see you, I can hear you.

871
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: I know what you're about. I know what the point

872
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: of this is. But if you're writing it from your

873
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: own perspective, man, that's a deep spot to go to

874
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: because you're there's nobody to bounce it off of, and

875
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: you're just you're wrestling with your own thoughts. What am

876
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: I feeling about this subject that I need to get

877
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: on the paper as strongly as possible.

878
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Why have you gone more political in recent years? Is

879
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: that just where you feel God taking you, the times

880
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: taking you and your music?

881
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: I think after my two sons were born and started

882
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: to get old enough to realize Dad is part of

883
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: this industry here, and they would watch me get upset

884
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: at the television screen like we all do, and say,

885
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: be talking to my wife about something going on in

886
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: the music industry that I didn't like, but then turn

887
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: right around, cowboy up, walk out, the door, hit the

888
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: red carpet, go play patty Cake with all these people.

889
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: I was just yelling about is hypocritical. That's being a

890
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: hypocrite in front of your own two sons. And one

891
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: day that hit me really hard. I said, I am

892
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: being a hypocrite. Not only am I upset that they're

893
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: watching me do that, I'm upset that I'm watching me

894
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: do that. How long am I going to keep this up?

895
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Because the record labels in the industries are telling me

896
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: at this point, do not do that interview with Raymond,

897
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: do not go on that network, Do not talk about

898
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: this on social media? No, no, no, no no. They

899
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: would have meetings about it. I'd make a comment something,

900
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: you know, something they didn't want me talking about, and

901
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: they'd have a full blown meeting with the press they're

902
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: press people at the record label and bring me in

903
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: and say you got to stop doing that. You're going

904
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: to blow your career up. And I listened to that

905
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: for quite a while. I'd go, Okay, well, I don't

906
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: want to blow my career up, and I don't want

907
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: to cost Kenny his career. And you got a band

908
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: and crew and bus drivers and yeah, wife and kids

909
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: and Okay, okay, I'll back up. But after a while, man,

910
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: it got to the point where I said, yeah, that's

911
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: being a hypocrite. And so if it means that I

912
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: got to say exactly what I know needs to be

913
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: said and do it like it needs to be done,

914
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: I run the risk of losing this industry that has

915
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: put more plaques on my walls than I can count.

916
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: They will be done with me if I ever go

917
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: to this point. But can I live with myself if

918
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: I keep playing this stupid game with these people? And

919
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: the answer was no, you can't. And by the way,

920
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: your sons are watching you, and what are they going

921
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: to do when they grow up and get out of

922
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: the house. They'll go, well, yeah, I really don't like

923
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: how this is going. But you know what Dad did.

924
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: Dad just yelled at the TV, rolled over and took

925
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: the check kept going. Which is the problem with a

926
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: lot of Americans and Christians that they'll just roll over

927
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: and get along, get along and stay in a nice, easy,

928
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: comfortable spot instead of taking the harder route and punching

929
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: through it.

930
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: It's a good time to talk about revelation. You mentioned

931
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: it a moment ago, which is this incredible song you

932
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: wrote this year, and you said, I'm gonna quote it

933
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: felt like a hammer hit me in the back of

934
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: the head. Was it physical? Was it a jolt?

935
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: No, I mean no, not like a physical hammer. But

936
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: it was if you could take a thought and pound

937
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: it into your head, as if you hit yourself with

938
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: a hammer. That's what it felt like. It was mine

939
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: in my own business. And I mean out of nowhere boom.

940
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: I could hear the melody, I could hear the lyrics.

941
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm seeing that revelation this has been you know, there's

942
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: been so much intensity placed upon our country and so

943
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: many things going on that I have read about in

944
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: the Bible my entire life, and I've heard it preach

945
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: my entire life, and not until recently have many of

946
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: those things even been possible to be carried out. You know,

947
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: most of Revelation and Daniel and Second Thessalonians and places

948
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: that talk about the end times seem like science fiction

949
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: to people, including my own father. He goes, We never

950
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: could understand how these things could be possible, he says,

951
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: until recently. And now it's really easy to track everybody

952
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: on the face of the earth. It's really easy to

953
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: control how you spend your money and what you're allowed

954
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: to buy and sell, which is what the Mark of

955
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: the Beast is about. He said, with the advent of tech,

956
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: where we are in the world today, the globalization of

957
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: everyone that is new, that's new that allows for these

958
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: things to now take place. Doesn't mean they're going to

959
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: take place tomorrow or even in my lifetime, but it's

960
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: now possible and we're looking at it. So I've been

961
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: thinking about that and really scrutinizing things and watching and

962
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: that's when that song came and I realized, Raymond, nobody

963
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: had written this song. I started going back through gospel bands,

964
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: Christian artists, contriar artists. I could not find an anybody

965
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: that literally wrote what the book says in the Book

966
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: of Revelation and.

967
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: Saint Michael the Archangel and the battle with Lucifer. I mean,

968
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing is in there. All of that is there,

969
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: all of in the song.

970
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's throughout the Oh, it's in the song. Yeah.

971
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: The video. The goal of the video was can we

972
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: show what spiritual warfare would look like if it came

973
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: into the physical huh. I remember telling my video director,

974
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: Doc Abbott, who lives here in Nashville. He goes, how

975
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: do you think how do we do that? I go,

976
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: probably CGI. I said, I've got a great guy that

977
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: works with Tom McDonald, who's probably my favorite rapper alive

978
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: out in California and he has a lot of CGI

979
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: in his videos. I called Tom told him the idea.

980
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, yeah, you need to work with Jared.

981
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: Jared's up in Washington State. So I sent it to Jared.

982
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: He goes, that's going to be difficult, but I'm definitely

983
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: capable of making that happen. I said, I want the

984
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Devil and Michael the Archangel to have a battle with

985
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: me standing in between them. That's what I'm looking for.

986
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: He goes, okay, and so we shot it and that's

987
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: what the video is.

988
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a.

989
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: Video like that?

990
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: No, I've never seen a video like that. I never

991
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: heard a song like that either.

992
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

993
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: A prophetic song in many ways. Do you think of

994
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: it that way?

995
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: No, because the song is not really even a song.

996
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: It's me saying what the pages of the book say.

997
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: I just made them rhyme. Those are not my words,

998
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: those are John's words.

999
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Well, but those are prophetic. It's a prophetic. Yesterday and today.

1000
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Spoken by the prophet John as he was exiled to Patmos.

1001
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: He's writing what he's seeing and hearing, and that becomes

1002
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 2: a book of revelation. And two thousand plus years later,

1003
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: we're standing in situations that look an awful lot like

1004
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. And so here's your lone

1005
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: songwriter who think God doesn't have a record deal, publishing deal,

1006
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: or any company that can tell me, I can't put that.

1007
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: Song because you would have never been hit.

1008
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: No, not in a million years never. You would have

1009
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: never heard a song. If I had a record deal,

1010
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: that song does not get heard.

1011
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: I forgot. You were at the Mandalay Bay shooting right

1012
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: You were performing with Jason Alden. What did you think

1013
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: when that hill of gunfires started falling on these poor people?

1014
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: It almost hit you. You were there, what forty minutes before?

1015
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 2: I was there forty five minutes before the bullets started

1016
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: flying through the drum risers on the stage. So big

1017
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: and rich we opened for Aldean that night, and so

1018
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: as soon as we got through playing, we left on

1019
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: the bus. Actually had a red Nick Riviera kind of

1020
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: satellite little bar over there, and I will go over

1021
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: there and hang out with the local band and you know,

1022
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: get ready to leave town. We get over there and

1023
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: we're up there singing a little bit. The security man

1024
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: comes up to me and he says, he goes, stop

1025
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: the music. Stop the music. I'm like, what are you

1026
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: talking about. He goes, stop the music. They pulled the plug,

1027
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: killed the pa. I'm like, what is going on? And

1028
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: they say, there's a mass shooting happening at where you

1029
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: guys just were at the concert. I went what, So

1030
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: everybody got quiet. We turned on the local news. We

1031
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: had you know, we had TVs everywhere. Yeah, and the

1032
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: local news is reporting if you were anywhere near Mandalay Bay,

1033
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: Bellagio or Caesar's Palace, get away from the windows. Well,

1034
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: we were looking right at Blagio. We're looking at the

1035
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: fountains and all that. I'm like, everybody, get away from

1036
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: the glass. So you go get off in the corner.

1037
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: And I remember looking down you can hear all this

1038
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: racket going on. We're kind of up high, We're looking

1039
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: down and you could see police squads moving through the

1040
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: streets down below. I'm like, okay, so somebody's on the

1041
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: loose through the town. So I said, somebody needs a

1042
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: whole point on this front door, and I asked, has

1043
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: anybody got a weapon in here? And everybody went, uh,

1044
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: I know, well I did.

1045
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: The only one.

1046
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: I had a Colt forty five in my belt, so

1047
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: I pulled it out start walking to the front door.

1048
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: We got a glass door, and this big old cop

1049
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: officer brown flops his badge out and I looked at him.

1050
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I'm in trouble because I have a firearms.

1051
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: First thing I thought, He goes, I'm a police officer,

1052
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: Minneapolis Police Department. I'm here with my wife on our honeymoon.

1053
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Can I have that and letting me protect the door?

1054
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: I said, yes, sir, and I turned the gun around.

1055
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: I said, it's not chambered, and he grabbed it, went

1056
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: it is now, and he racked it, got down on

1057
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: one knee and put his elbow up on the T

1058
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: shirt table there and just held point on that door

1059
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: because for all we knew, somebody was coming straight through

1060
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: the door. Got back home after all that had happened,

1061
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: and was going through my suitcase and I found the

1062
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: hotel key because we were staying at the MGM. Found

1063
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: the hotel key, and I'm watching the news and I'm

1064
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: looking at the room number on my hotel key, and

1065
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the news, going hang on a minute.

1066
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: My ceiling of my room was the floor of that

1067
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: guy that was lobbing those bullets shooters all day. I'd

1068
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: been up in that room just waiting for the show

1069
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: to start. He was literally right there all day long.

1070
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: Are you satisfied with the answers that we've gotten about

1071
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: this guy?

1072
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: What answer?

1073
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: This old man running back and forth between how you

1074
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: know how long? That's sweet? Was Yes?

1075
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: What answer? There are more cameras per square inch in

1076
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Nevada than probably any city on the earth.

1077
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: There are cameras everywhere, everywhere. Can't find any camera footage.

1078
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: The cameras we don't have cameras reminds me of other

1079
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: things I've heard since then. And then you start thinking about, well,

1080
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: how in the world can one guy sit in a

1081
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: hotel room like that, because my hotel room would have

1082
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: been exactly like his and fire thousands and thousands of

1083
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: rounds and not choke to death. That's the first thing

1084
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: I thought. I'm a shooter. I'm like, man, if you

1085
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: fire enough rounds outside, you can start okay, clear the air.

1086
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: He's inside a hotel room doing this, and then you

1087
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: think about what the local news said, get away from

1088
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: these hotels and get away, and then national news took

1089
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: it and I remember seeing the big FBI guy leaning

1090
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: over that sheriff while the sheriff hands are just shaking

1091
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: like a leaf, trying to read the statement. There's the FBI.

1092
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm going is what happened? What really happened here? Anybody

1093
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: that was there, anybody that was around that situation, None

1094
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: of us believe a word that we were told. And

1095
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm hoping in this new administration that is one of

1096
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 2: the things. There's many, but I hope they tell us

1097
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: what that actually was, what actually went down to a

1098
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: lot of people, that over fifty people got killed at

1099
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: that concert.

1100
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: Your fans, your fans, you had met with some of

1101
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: these people who are victims of this. Right before the

1102
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: concept died.

1103
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that died. A young young man came through with

1104
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: his wife and the meet and greet, big fan took

1105
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: pictures with him, and I got word that when the

1106
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: bullets came in, he turned his back to where the

1107
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: bullets were coming, shielding his wife, and he took several

1108
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: rounds in the back and he died. And you know,

1109
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: they deserve answers. We deserve answers. And pardon me for

1110
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: being so skeptical when you go through something like that

1111
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: and you go back and look at it and go,

1112
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: that is not true. That is not true what they're

1113
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: telling us. And America knows that a lot of things

1114
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: have happened in our country that America knows is not

1115
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: the truth.

1116
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: We need answers, particularly for that. I mean that that

1117
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: is a that well, the shooting here in Nashville too,

1118
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: that school shooting here not sufficient answer. No, and we're

1119
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: talking about babies.

1120
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: And shop you Valdi, Why are the cops standing in

1121
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: a hallway for an hour while this guy's executing kids

1122
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: and they're all got bulletproof, vest rifles, everything they need

1123
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: to walk in that room and take that guy out,

1124
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: and they just stand there for an hour as the

1125
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: shots keep popping and killing these kids. Yeah, America is

1126
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: sick and target it. Honestly, That's one reason why Trump won.

1127
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: It is it is it is the gravity that is

1128
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: that finally got together of all these things, put all

1129
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: into one big package and drop it in your lap

1130
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: and go Trump, fix this, tell us the truth, tell

1131
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: us what's going on. I have a feeling if we

1132
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: all know the real truth about everything, it would change

1133
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: America's future for probably a century, because it'd be real

1134
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 2: hard to trick us in anything again for a long time.

1135
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: Tell me about Rednick Riviera. I've loved the Rednick Riviera

1136
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: because I know the origins of that. But I'll bet

1137
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot.

1138
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: Of people, yeah, the Gulf Coast.

1139
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Tell people where that title came from. Why you had

1140
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: to call it red?

1141
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: As a as a songwriter, it's one of my favorite

1142
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: phrases because it's funny. First of all, I like funny stuff.

1143
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: But it's basically, back in the sixties, people living on

1144
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: limited income, which is still the way it is today,

1145
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: couldn't afford to go to the French rivi era. So

1146
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: where would they go? We got to go to the

1147
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: redneck rivi So that's like Destin Florida, Gulf Shores, Alabass

1148
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: Mall City Beach, and the beaches are pristine, and the

1149
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: food is great, and there's music everywhere, and you can

1150
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: drive there, you can afford to stay there for a

1151
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: week and your family have a good time. And so

1152
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: I always thought, man, what a great phrase. Growing up

1153
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: blue collar myself, I thought, yeah, I remember calling it

1154
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Rednick Rivera. When I was a kid, first time I

1155
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: ever got stung by jellyfish was in Panama City Beach.

1156
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: My dad drove us down there in the station wagon,

1157
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: and so I thought that should be a brand into itself.

1158
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: So I wanted to step out and build all American,

1159
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: one hundred percent made in the USA brand that reflected

1160
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: my life, Like basically I grew up blue collar. My

1161
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: brain still works that way. But you go to a

1162
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: place you can afford because it's truly nice memories with

1163
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: the family, and can we get back to veterans to

1164
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: a brand which we have to fold.

1165
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: How many tuitions have you paid? The folds and honor

1166
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: a lot?

1167
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: It'd be hard to say how many tuitions. The brand

1168
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: has generated one point six million dollars since twenty eighteen.

1169
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: That's a lot for any brand, much less a privately owned,

1170
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: small upstart brand. But I look at that as you know,

1171
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: the only reason guys with high school diplomas who grew

1172
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: up in a double wide in Texas and nothing fancy

1173
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: get to go out here and just shoot at the moon.

1174
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: Literally just go all the way as hard as you

1175
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: want to go and chase the American dream. It's because

1176
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: of the United States Military. Short of those men and women,

1177
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: you don't get to sit here and be on TV.

1178
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't get to go make music. Nobody gets to

1179
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: do what they want to do short of life, liberty

1180
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: and pursuit of happiness being kept in tact by the

1181
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: US military, And so Folds of Honor puts kids and

1182
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: spouses through college who lost their mom or dad, or

1183
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: who have a family members one hundred percent disabled. That

1184
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: was the income earner. And so there's people all of

1185
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: the US right now going to college. Parsley subsidized by

1186
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Rednick Riviera.

1187
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: Love that. I love it, and you got and you

1188
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: have the club here in Nashville, which is a great

1189
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: place to one place if you want to come to.

1190
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: If you're coming to Nashville, you should go to the

1191
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: Redneck Revie. It's a lot of fun. It's a great bar.

1192
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: There's a love of music. And you were one of

1193
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: the first country artists really to start. I mean everybody

1194
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: followed John Rich's lead on this way.

1195
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: Everybody. Alan Jackson had a play. There was a couple

1196
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: of the big dogs. Yeah, places not.

1197
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: Like it is now. Everybody and the dog's trying to

1198
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: get a place. It brought you out.

1199
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: I mean it truly. I think every building down there

1200
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: has a country artist's name on it at this point.

1201
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 2: But we try to make the bar really be its

1202
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: own thing, and it really is. When you walk in

1203
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: the front door. We call it the Heroes Bar, and

1204
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: that's where if you're a vet, active duty or a

1205
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: first responder, you get the seat and the first drinks

1206
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: on the house and the walls are covered in patches

1207
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: and military coins. Part of the proudest moment I've had

1208
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: seeing that place operate was a bunch of rowdy guys

1209
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: were down there having a bachelor party at the Rednick Riviera,

1210
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: and I mean they're getting you know, you can imagine

1211
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: they're having a big time, and these two old Vietnam

1212
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: vets come walking in with their Vietnam Veteran ball caps on.

1213
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: They come walking in. It's six deep at the bar.

1214
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: You can't get up to the bar. And I watched

1215
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: these bachelor party guys see those old men and got

1216
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: up out of their chairs and moved people out of

1217
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: the way and said take my chair, come on, take

1218
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: much here, and sat the old man down at their

1219
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: chairs and then they got up and that was the

1220
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: coveted spot to sit and respected those old men for

1221
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: their service. So that's really the culture of that kind

1222
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: of encapsulates the whole brand really.

1223
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: Well and what the country should be.

1224
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: I hope we get back to that.

1225
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: I think we're getting there. I want to ask you

1226
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: quickly before I get to I have a list of questions.

1227
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: I ask everybody give me the state of country music

1228
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: through John Richard's eyes. Now you've said there couldn't be

1229
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: a rede all End today, there couldn't be a Johnny

1230
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Cash today. Why not? Especially when you hear those young

1231
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: artists reaching out to you privately and saying thank you

1232
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: for saying that. Clearly that's where they are still.

1233
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the talent of a Loretta Lin, but the

1234
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: talent of a Johnny Cash can exist in Nashville and

1235
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: does there There are people with unbelievable talent and Nashville

1236
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: that are that are coming up through the ranks. The

1237
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: part that's different is is the record label's stranglehold on creativity.

1238
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: Back in the day, Johnny Cash could sing you know,

1239
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die,

1240
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: and they would let him put that out and let

1241
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: the fans decide if they like or something like the matter,

1242
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: if Johnny Cash is too crazy, I don't want to

1243
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: ever hear that again. That's really not how it is now.

1244
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: And I know that for a fact because I was

1245
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: in it. And then now all these artists that come

1246
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: to me and go, I'm gonna play let me. I'm

1247
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: gonna send you a song I just wrote. The label's

1248
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: not gonna let me put it out, but I wanted

1249
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: you to hear it. Anyway. They'll send me a song

1250
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: and it'll be it'll be making some kind of a

1251
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: cultural statement or something, and they won't even bother turning

1252
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: it in to the record label. It's almost like it's

1253
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: not censorship because nobody ever puts it forward to even be.

1254
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: Some self censorship.

1255
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: It's self sense.

1256
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: They get what they understand, what's going to.

1257
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: Make a no go, So why don't even try? And

1258
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: that's not healthy?

1259
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: No, Okay, I'm gonna I gotta put my hat on.

1260
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: Can you throw that hat to me for a second? Good?

1261
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: I gotta put my hand.

1262
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I think that's my hand I got

1263
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: it almost looks like look at that, look at you.

1264
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: That's a big one, all right?

1265
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: One tip pull it down?

1266
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: A little bit lower.

1267
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: There you go. That's it. That's that guy's ready for

1268
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: the grand ole up.

1269
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: Really right, here we go, ladies, and they won't let

1270
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: me on the opery that'll bring down the stage forever. Okay,

1271
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: these are my royal Grande questionnaire questions I asked everybody.

1272
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: He's a rapid fire, but they're important. Who is the

1273
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: person you most admire my dad? Why?

1274
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: Because he is unyielding and relentless?

1275
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: You took the lesson? Well, my friend, who's the person

1276
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: you most despise.

1277
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: Right now? Sean Combs and anybody like him?

1278
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: What is your best feature?

1279
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: Loyalty?

1280
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Ah? And your worst?

1281
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: Hm? Which one should I pick?

1282
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: Took a card? Any card, I.

1283
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: Would say, rushing to judgment.

1284
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: The last great book you read? And your favorite book?

1285
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this one.

1286
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean discounting the Bible, not counting the not

1287
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: counting the Bible. Hill Billy Elogy is one of mytown

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Speaker 2: favorite books. To be honest, the yeah reminds me of

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Speaker 2: where I grew up, my people.

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Speaker 1: The American people. What do you fear, John?

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Speaker 2: Something happening to my kids?

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Speaker 1: We all fear that, all of us. The greatest virtue

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Speaker 1: is what.

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Speaker 2: Patience.

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Speaker 1: I think we have a shared lack of that. I

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Speaker 1: guess what the word you could not live without?

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Speaker 2: Idiot? I say that word a lot every day. Look

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Speaker 2: at this idiot. Sometimes I'm looking in the mirror and

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Speaker 2: go look at this he.

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Speaker 1: Oh, No, you shouldn't do that. If you could live anywhere,

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Speaker 1: where would you live?

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Speaker 2: Probably just outside of Yellowstone?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Except in the winter.

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Speaker 2: No, in the winter too gets a little deep. That's

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Speaker 2: why with me? Wow, Yeah, I like it out there.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful country, good air, beautiful country. What is your biggest regret, Johan?

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Speaker 2: Not jump in that train and get an a hell

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Speaker 2: out of this interview?

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Speaker 1: We're almost done. Your biggest regret, John, besides jumping the train.

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Speaker 2: Biggest regret probably disrespecting my father in my youth. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: I've apologized since then, but still I regret it.

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Speaker 1: The best piece of advice you ever got was.

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Speaker 2: What You're never truly free until you can say no.

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Speaker 2: Who gave it to you, Larry Gatlin?

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Speaker 1: Wow, You're never truly free until you can say no.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: If you could not do what you're doing now, if

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Speaker 1: you weren't a singer and a songwriter, what would you be,

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Speaker 1: What would you like to do? What else were you

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Speaker 1: called to do? Do you think.

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Speaker 2: Something where I can inspire people? Whatever that would be.

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Speaker 2: I've always thought if I'd ever gone into the military,

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Speaker 2: I would have been a guy that would have really

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Speaker 2: probably enjoyed that and excelled at it, being around other

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Speaker 2: really competent people, younger ones, especially bringing them up. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that it would have been military, but something

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Speaker 2: that would have put me in a spot where I

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Speaker 2: can communicate.

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Speaker 1: Like that final question, what happens when this life is over?

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Speaker 2: When this life is over, every single human being that's

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Speaker 2: ever lived stands directly in front of the Son of God,

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Speaker 2: and he will either say come on in or he'll

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Speaker 2: say depart from me. I never knew you one or

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Speaker 2: the other. And the only way you get into heaven

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Speaker 2: is by submitting your entire life and will to Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Going to church will not get you in. Academia about

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Speaker 2: the Bible will not get you in. All of your

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Speaker 2: philosophy will not get you in. Doing good deeds will

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Speaker 2: not get you in. If that was the case, the

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Speaker 2: thief on the cross would have never gone into heaven.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens when you die.

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Speaker 1: Now you're on your way. There, my friend. God bless

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Speaker 1: you great John.

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Speaker 2: See you next time. Looks good.

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Speaker 1: I've never taken it off. Now here's the least in town.

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Speaker 2: Give me one of these.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Thank you, John, here's the hole. I

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Speaker 1: love the John Rich, like all great artists, uses his

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Speaker 1: gift to reflect his values and his time, whether it's

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Speaker 1: his outrage over Diddy or concerns about where the country

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Speaker 1: is headed. And that advice he gave was golden. I

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Speaker 1: hope you listened. When everything's out of your control, find

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Speaker 1: the one thing you can still control, and control it,

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Speaker 1: do the one right thing you're capable of, and build

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Speaker 1: from there. And I love that he holds onto his hat,

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Speaker 1: which I'm going to do too. Why live a dry, narrow,

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Speaker 1: constricted life when if you fill it with good things,

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Speaker 1: it can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

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Speaker 1: ramming to Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe like this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for diving in, and we'll see you next time.

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