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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Rob King.

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Speaker 3: We're here again, Steelers practicing here at Saint Vincent College,

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Speaker 3: just wrapping up a few minutes ago, and fellas we

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Speaker 3: get to see our first look of Cordell Patterson. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: somebody some of the stuff out there, and they ran

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Speaker 3: him out of the running back spot with the fullback

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Speaker 3: in front of him at the goal line in the

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Speaker 3: seven shots drill. They also lined him up outside and

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Speaker 3: gave him a little end to round pitch on another one.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the thing that he gives you the

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Speaker 3: options to do.

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Speaker 4: But by the way, I just wanted to point out

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Speaker 4: that I went from when we first started the show

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. I was introduced as the

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Speaker 4: Rob King like V Matt Way, Well, Rob King, Oh

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Speaker 4: well I would be to well, it's same, we're same,

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Speaker 4: same syllables.

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Speaker 5: Well, Rob King, I guess he's still hanging around tagging

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Speaker 5: along Third Wheel.

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Speaker 4: Last show with you guys, think but yes, Cordilla Cordillera Patterson. Uh,

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Speaker 4: they got him right. They threw him right in the fire,

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Speaker 4: didn't they. I mean, here you go.

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Speaker 5: It felt like Arthur Smith send his old buddy, threw

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Speaker 5: his old buddy a bone there, you know, like welcome

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Speaker 5: to Steelers. Finally get you here and you can do

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Speaker 5: a lot of different stuff, and so let's show the

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Speaker 5: world what you're up. You know your teammates what you

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Speaker 5: can do. And he's an interesting player. I think they

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Speaker 5: definitely have a plan for him on offense.

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Speaker 4: Do you think there's any chance in Mike Tom Let's

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Speaker 4: let's get him out there. Let's let's get him acclimated

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Speaker 4: right away. Do you think that was an Arthur Smith decision?

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Speaker 3: I mean today was probably their last padded practice, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't done any of that stuff, so yeah, you

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Speaker 3: want to get him a little bit acclimated to that.

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Speaker 2: So give him a chance to get hit a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's banger.

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Speaker 5: Rapping, though, I mean I think there will be We've

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Speaker 5: seen far less end rounds and things like that than

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Speaker 5: the last coordinator. But he's like the perfect guy for

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Speaker 5: that type of thing. He does have some power for

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Speaker 5: the goal line runs following the full back. He is

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Speaker 5: not a skinny wide receiver body type. He's got an

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Speaker 5: interesting blend between running back and wide out. So I

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Speaker 5: bet they have a pretty good plan for him here

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Speaker 5: and there.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's played that much well, he still

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Speaker 4: wears eighty four. I don't think he's played that much

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Speaker 4: wide out in the last year or two. No, but

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Speaker 4: I do wonder as I look at him, guys, is

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Speaker 4: he and I think he's going to be the third

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Speaker 4: or fourth running back. We'll see how many they keep

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Speaker 4: and who's going to make it on special teams and

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Speaker 4: all that. But you know, if we're looking at this

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Speaker 4: team right now and they don't get that sort of

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Speaker 4: prototypical number two receiver, which then you know, maybe shuffles

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Speaker 4: everybody down, Van Jefferson becomes you know, a really good three,

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Speaker 4: and then you have the other guys Austin and Miller

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Speaker 4: whoever else you have in those other spots. You know,

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Speaker 4: are they going to take you know, ten percent more

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Speaker 4: pat Fryarmouth and ten percent more Cordero Patterson and whatever

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Speaker 4: it is put it all together and sort of less

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Speaker 4: in that need for a top wide receiver, that perceived

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Speaker 5: I tend to think, so, you know, I mean, this

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Speaker 5: is the way that they're made up. Now, splash more

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Speaker 5: Connor Hayward, a splash for Washington, a couple more catches

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Speaker 5: out of the backfield for Nause and more, and hopefully

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Speaker 5: that all adds up to the same piece of high

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Speaker 5: that you would have had. But I mean, you got

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Speaker 5: to make do with what you have, and it's a

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Speaker 5: good group, and they've utilized a lot of different packages

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Speaker 5: and personnel groupings and all that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 5: I'm really interested with the offense, especially the design of

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Speaker 5: it all. I think it's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw that again in seven shots today when

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Speaker 3: Connor Hayward was out there and flexed into the backfield

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Speaker 3: to the right of the quarterback and then at the

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Speaker 3: and was wide out by.

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Speaker 5: Touched on right. They do a really good job of

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Speaker 5: making a lot of things look the same and running

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Speaker 5: a lot of different plays out of the same formations,

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Speaker 5: and especially running plays and misdirection and play action and

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Speaker 5: just getting defenses to lean just a little and creating

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Speaker 5: blocking angles. It seems like a real subtle thing, but

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Speaker 5: it's a big difference if you're an offensive lineman or

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Speaker 5: a fullback or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you know, just I think a guy

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Speaker 3: like Cordero Patterson gives them more options to do some

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Speaker 3: things you don't. Again, it's kind of like Hayward as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, when Cordero Patterson checks in to a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: first of all, he's wearing number eighty four, right, that's

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Speaker 3: not a running back number.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: But when he lines up in the backfield, now you're going, okay,

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Speaker 3: is you know you see him in the huddle, if

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Speaker 3: you're a defensive coordinator, is he going to be lining

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Speaker 3: up a running back? Is he going to be you know,

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Speaker 3: a wide receiver in this instance? Is there another running

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Speaker 3: back on the field? Do they go empty here?

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Speaker 2: There's there's just all kinds of options there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Good.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say the point you made about lining

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Speaker 4: up and the one you're making out Dale too, Like,

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Speaker 4: let's see you put him in the you put him

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Speaker 4: in the slot and you bring him in motion. Is

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Speaker 4: he going to run a jet sweep? Is he just

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Speaker 4: going to be somebody to try to drag another defender

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Speaker 4: across the formation? But your point about you know, making

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Speaker 4: having different plays out of the same formation so that

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Speaker 4: you know, players can't key on. I mean, we've seen

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Speaker 4: in the past, you know, a middle linebacker somebody will say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the middle linebacker was calling out our plays. He knew

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Speaker 4: exactly what was coming. That is such a gigantic advantage

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Speaker 4: for the defense and one that is not going to

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Speaker 4: happen this year.

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Speaker 5: It's not I tend to agree, you know. And what

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Speaker 5: I mean by that is, Okay, they came out in

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Speaker 5: the same personnel grouping as they did ten plays ago,

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Speaker 5: use the exact same motion, but instead of outside zone,

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Speaker 5: they run counter you know, I mean, and with this

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Speaker 5: different blocking angles. Because the run play is different, the

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Speaker 5: run calls different. But if the linebacker or whatever is

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Speaker 5: keyan on it, like I saw this, I saw this

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Speaker 5: you get blasphem aside from broader jones, you know. So

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Speaker 5: that kind of stuff's really interesting to me. I should

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Speaker 5: have noted in seven shots when Patterson was out there,

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Speaker 5: I'm curious how they do that.

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Speaker 2: The second time when he did the straight run, he

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Speaker 5: Back in front of him. I don't remember on the

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Speaker 5: end of round if there was Yeah, it was an

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Speaker 5: empty backfield, I believe, so, you know, he may have

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Speaker 5: been the back and split wide on that situation, but again,

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Speaker 5: those are things you can do with him.

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Speaker 3: They also ran an end around. I believe that the

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Speaker 3: last one was to Pickens on that one. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: in two end of rounds in the in the seven

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Speaker 5: Both scord Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I think Arthur Smith had a really interesting post

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Speaker 4: practice press conference in which he was asked about personnel

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Speaker 4: groupings and fullbacks and that sort of thing. One of

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Speaker 4: the things he said was, look, go to go talk

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Speaker 4: to Danny Smith, because these guys in the positions you're

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Speaker 4: talking about the fifth or sixth receiver, a full back,

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Speaker 4: the third or fourth running back. These guys better be

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Speaker 4: able to play special teams. Yeah, they're not gonna be

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Speaker 4: in the roster. But he also talked about even if

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Speaker 4: you have a full back, that doesn't necessarily mean a

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Speaker 4: full back is going to be part of the game

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Speaker 4: plan every single week. He was asked a bunch of

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Speaker 4: other different questions and the answers seem to come out

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Speaker 4: as we have to have some versatility we have to

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Speaker 4: be able to adapt. It's not just you know, it's

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Speaker 4: it's easy to say, hey, Arthur Smith, you know, three

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Speaker 4: tight ends, zone running that sort of thing. But you

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Speaker 4: get the sense that he's going to adapt to whatever

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Speaker 4: the game plan. You know, whatever the game is, a

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Speaker 4: game plan will change a little bit. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: still have an identity as a team. So I think

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Speaker 4: that those are you know, if you're a football fan

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Speaker 4: and you know as you guys are scouts and close

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Speaker 4: observers of the game, I think that's music to your

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Speaker 4: years to hear that there's going to be adaptability within

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Speaker 4: the identity that you want to create as your team.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the key, guys, is not so much

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Speaker 3: your adaptability as an offense. What's your ability to make

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Speaker 3: the defense adapt to what you're doing, because you're going

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Speaker 3: to try to make them play left handed. If they

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Speaker 3: you know, let's say they don't have a good nickel

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Speaker 2: We want to be a team.

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Speaker 3: We want to get that nickel corner on the field

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Speaker 3: if they if they're week at linebacker, Okay, let's go

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Speaker 3: big and get the linebackers on the field.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a team that doesn't want to be

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Speaker 5: in their base four to three, So let's make them

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Speaker 5: be in their base four three. Right, Well, so many teams.

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Speaker 4: We're looking at the Bills this week, right, they list

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Speaker 4: their personnel probably as nickel four to five.

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Speaker 5: That's defense.

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Speaker 4: And so do you want to you know, maybe okay,

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Speaker 4: you want to run five defensive backs, Well then maybe

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Speaker 4: this is a game in which a fullback is up.

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Speaker 5: So they're kind of a weird example, Rob, and I

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Speaker 5: know you're prepping for the Bills over like the last

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Speaker 5: five the McDermott era, they just live in nickel. They

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Speaker 5: don't even sell, you know, I mean, like they may

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Speaker 5: bring somebody in and out, but they basically are going

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Speaker 5: to be in a I mean, they're going to rotate

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Speaker 5: their defensive lineman, but they love having two key linebackers

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Speaker 5: usually Edmunds and Milano over that stretch. And they play

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Speaker 5: with five defensive backs no matter what you do to them,

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Speaker 5: which in a way I think, man, you can manipulate

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Speaker 5: those guys. But then sometimes I'm thinking, well, they don't

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Speaker 5: give anything away by substituting either, you know, right, I

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Speaker 5: was thinking of a basketball defense. If I can handle

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Speaker 5: a key Samson and I can also handle a fast,

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Speaker 5: you know, running running type. That's a pretty nice defense

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Speaker 5: to throw out there.

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Speaker 4: And then you flip that to what we were seeing

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Speaker 4: last year, where every time it felt like every time

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Speaker 4: Calvin Austin was on the field, that was a tel Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So it's either going to be you know, jet motion

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Speaker 4: or it's going to be you know something. We can't

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Speaker 4: have jet motion every single time he's out there, so

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Speaker 4: we're going to run something different. But it's not like

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Speaker 4: he's an integral part of what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 4: Alert Alert, Yeah, that's right. I do think that that's

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Speaker 4: going to change this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's all part of the game now,

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Speaker 4: When you got eleven Hall of Famers out there. But

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Speaker 2: And that's what always gets me, guys, when when people

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Speaker 5: I think I lose by sixty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they still have every guy in their

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Speaker 2: You're still short, guys.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the lion of scrimmagery biscuit mauled and the

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Speaker 5: Really have some good stories about, you know, how the

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Speaker 5: You're not pulling a semi.

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Speaker 4: ball at say midfield or whatever, your own forty five

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Speaker 4: yard line, your first down away from kicking a field goal,

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Speaker 4: you give them seven and then you allow a twenty

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Speaker 4: two yard punt return. You tack on five yards for

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Speaker 4: a penalty. On the other end, there's suddenly there's a

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Speaker 4: twenty seven yard swing and field position, and they score

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Speaker 4: on that drive on a third down. A third down

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Speaker 4: was a problem too, but the special teams led to

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Speaker 4: fourteen points.

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Speaker 5: It was obviously a rough showing for special teams as

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Speaker 5: a whole. But Dale and I talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I mean we recapped the game quite a bit because

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Speaker 5: it was the first drive since the game. Watkins shouldn't

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Speaker 5: be a punt returner, I mean, and today in practice

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Speaker 5: he was bad at I mean, he's not a good

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Speaker 5: punt returner. But you know what, he's not going to

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Speaker 5: be the punt returner. Like, there's no chance he's the

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Speaker 5: punt return.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's right. I mean it's gonna be Calvin Austin, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you think they're gonna watch two snaps a game.

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Speaker 5: Probably not, but that's better than getting blown off the

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Speaker 5: ball and being like an inferior team for sure.

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Speaker 4: And you wonder if you know this has brought up

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Speaker 4: to me that you know, maybe I think it was

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Speaker 4: West talking about it, Wes Yueler, maybe Mike Tomlin. Look,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be happy, certainly he's not happy,

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Speaker 4: but just to maybe be able to grind the team

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Speaker 4: a little bit and be like, let's go, let's get

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Speaker 4: the focus going here. Not that I think focus has

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Speaker 4: been a problem, but maybe just.

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Speaker 5: It could be a little extra motivation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know last year in the preseason everything went

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Speaker 4: so well, and you know, we were ready to throw

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Speaker 4: a parade and all that stuff, and then the season started.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the reverse isn't a terrible thing.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so either. I mean the offense

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Speaker 5: just trotting down the field in the preseason. Oh, these

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Speaker 5: guys are gonna score forty a games, right. I didn't

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Speaker 5: quite go that way.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Hey, let's take a break. I want

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Speaker 2: to I want to.

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Speaker 3: Touch more in that special teams thing we're just talking

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Speaker 3: about there when we come back.

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Speaker 2: He is rob king.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolly. That is Matt Williamson. This is the

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Speaker 3: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with more live from Steelers training camp

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Speaker 3: here at Saint Fincent College right after this.

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Speaker 5: This.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is the Rob well Ply Matt william So that's

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Speaker 3: how we're going to be.

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Speaker 4: I think we should change the audio in on this

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Speaker 4: the drive with what do you think we should change that?

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Speaker 5: There?

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Speaker 3: Big fellow, by trust you're off. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: have to do this with us every day.

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Speaker 4: I wait, I waited for this. I waited till I

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Speaker 4: knew it was my last day, my last day with guy.

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Speaker 5: Know you finished that smoothie, Oh out of your hands.

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Speaker 3: So we are live from Steelers training camp at Saint

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Speaker 3: Vincent College, also simulcasting on Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: If you're hearing us there. We've been here.

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Speaker 3: Every day the Steelers practice, and we'll be here again

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday. The Steelers off tomorrow and then they'll practice

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Speaker 3: tomorrow Wednesday, break camp head down to uh to Akrosser

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Speaker 3: Stadium for that, you know, with for the closed practice

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Speaker 3: with the Bills, and the reason it is closed is

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Speaker 3: probably because they want to work on a lot of

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Speaker 3: special teams.

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Speaker 2: And you guys brought us up. Robbie brought us up.

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Speaker 2: In the previous segment.

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Speaker 3: There were the number of snaps they have to replace

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Speaker 3: on special teams next year, so you got you. James

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Speaker 3: Pierre with two sixty nine, Chandon Sullivan played two twenty two,

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Speaker 3: Eliza Riley uh to sixteen, Miles Boykin was had the

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Speaker 3: third most at three sixteen. I missed him, and you're

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Speaker 3: looking at uh who Presley Harvin obviously played one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty four. Uh you know where they're going now, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: right at Lanton Roberts played one hundred and twenty six

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Speaker 3: special team snaps.

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Speaker 5: That'll come down or you'd want it to. You'd like

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Speaker 5: it to for sure.

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Speaker 3: Godwin Igua Buige played one hundred and seventeen special team snaps.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the number of guys who

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Speaker 3: played one hundred or more snaps on special teams last year,

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Speaker 3: and about at.

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Speaker 5: Least another one that you mark Robinson's no guarantee to come.

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Speaker 3: Back, right, he's really yeah in that list yeah, and

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Speaker 3: he's uh he He was actually fourth on the team

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Speaker 3: with three hundred and two special team snaps.

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Speaker 2: But so you get it.

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Speaker 3: You got a lot of snaps out there place and

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Speaker 3: a lot of experience to replace.

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Speaker 5: From you the list right there, Herbig was one, right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and Hayward was really near the was uh sixth. So

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Speaker 5: Matty Kaevitch will get a ton and he'll get everyone

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Speaker 5: as long as he's healthy. So that's one eleventh though,

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Speaker 5: I mean the gunner situation is very hairy, to say

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Speaker 5: the least at the moment, because you really not even

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Speaker 5: notices he sings Doring games, nor should you. But the

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Speaker 5: gunners last year were Boykin and Pierre, and Boykin was

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Speaker 5: a very very good one. Both those guys are with

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Speaker 5: other teams. You can't call him back and to be

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Speaker 5: determined on those, So every time you punt, they need

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Speaker 5: to find two starters in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: Here too, they do some core guys, you know, And

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Speaker 5: do you want Herbig to be the team the guy

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Speaker 5: that leads a team in special team snaps? I mean,

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Speaker 5: if he's the number three defensive player, or if there

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Speaker 5: happens to be a high Smith or Watt injury knock

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Speaker 5: on wood one week? Yeah right right. Wonder if that

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Speaker 5: fourth outside linebacker is going to be a would to

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Speaker 5: be determined or is that going to be a special

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Speaker 5: teamer or is it going to be Leal? You know.

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Speaker 5: I mean the other thing too, is with these kickoffs,

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Speaker 5: one eleventh is now going to be a big guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's Spencer Anderson or Leal. So that's a

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Speaker 5: little bit of the heavy lifting. But Matty Kavish will

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Speaker 5: do a lot. But they need still find a couple of.

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Speaker 4: Dudes, especially that gunner. Yes, I think you've targeted the

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Speaker 4: big one. And then you know, when you start thinking

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Speaker 4: about you know, young guys, Rush Trice Watts, Watts is

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Speaker 4: the other guy. Yeah right, So those three guys, well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, they're all fighting to make the roster.

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Speaker 4: I would think I don't think any of them are absolve.

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Speaker 5: Three or make it right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I didn't even mention guys like Rodney Williams.

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Speaker 3: Rodney Williams played one hundred and eighty nine snaps.

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Speaker 5: On spend Later the party. Yeah, he didn't play it

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Speaker 5: all the one.

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Speaker 2: He's not guaranteed a spot on this roster, right.

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Speaker 5: But Coleto will be one guy.

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Speaker 3: I would assume that he makes the right you know,

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Speaker 3: but that that's all that he may.

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Speaker 2: He only makes the roster if he's good on special.

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Speaker 5: Teams, right, exactly right. And that's gonna be true with

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Speaker 5: backup Nickels and fifth corners and Watts and those type

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Speaker 5: of dudes too, Like they better not be Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 5: see on teams. They're pretty good on defense. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be a tough deal. So without a receiver,

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Speaker 5: that's I mean, Fitzpatrick is the only receiver that seems

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Speaker 5: like a potential core special teamer, and he seems like

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Speaker 5: a long shot to me. I mean, I don't I'd

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Speaker 5: rather have Boykoen on offense than Fitzpatrick, and I'd rather

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Speaker 5: Boykin on teams than Fitzpatrick. So for the first time

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Speaker 5: in a long time, there might not be a receiver

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Speaker 5: that helps this equation. So I wonder maybe one of

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Speaker 5: the running backs, you know, do they you keep a

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Speaker 5: fourth one? That makes it tough. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 5: that's the.

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Speaker 3: Thing is, you can't necessarily keep guys at other positions

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Speaker 3: because there's no Benny.

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Speaker 5: Snell, there's no Hayley Bay, there's no Boykin, you know,

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Speaker 5: like the guy that's a core, you know, offensive skill guy.

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Speaker 2: Because this sure appears that they want to keep four

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Speaker 2: tight ends.

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Speaker 4: Right, which makes me wonder then, you know, do you

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Speaker 4: and I mentioned this before it would be unusual, but

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Speaker 4: are you only carrying four wide receivers? I mean, if

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Speaker 4: none of those guys are if none of those guys

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Speaker 4: are standing out on special teams, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: Dez Fitzpatrick or Quez Watkins. I don't know this for

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Speaker 4: a fact, but they might be battling Darius rush Or

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Speaker 4: or Jack Coletto or Corey Trice or Ryan Watson.

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Speaker 2: For realistically, that's what those guys are doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that those those guys who are fighting,

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Speaker 3: you're basically four or five guys fighting for a couple

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Speaker 3: of core special team spots right because they know again,

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Speaker 3: Herbig's gonna play special teams, Killer Brew is going to

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Speaker 3: play special teams, Matti Kaevitch is going to play special teams.

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Speaker 5: So all this makes the Matty Kavid signing much more obvious.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't see when the day that happened. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: do they really need him. I mean, they got a

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Speaker 5: lot of inside linebackers. I know he's not a linebacker

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Speaker 5: by trade, but usually you have a running back of

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Speaker 5: the plays teams, Betty Snell. You almost always have a

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Speaker 5: receiver of the plays teams, and I mean like every

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Speaker 5: phase of teams, Hayward, bay boykan et cetera, and yes,

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Speaker 5: Connor of the tight ends. Hayward is going to be one.

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Speaker 5: But Michael Prewitt, from what I've seen in his experience,

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Speaker 5: he's only been on kickoff return. He's not a tackler.

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Speaker 5: Friar Muth and Washington are playing teams like that has

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Speaker 5: to come from back seven defenders. It is.

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Speaker 4: It is interesting, and then you start to wonder, okay,

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Speaker 4: so he can't dress them all? Can you? On game day?

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Speaker 4: And it's one thing, it's one thing to make the roster,

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Speaker 4: then it's another thing to dress him. And if you're

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Speaker 4: counting backwards from fifty three, you have what two backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Now you're down to fifty one, two offensive linemen who

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Speaker 4: won't dress probably on game days yet on game days,

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Speaker 4: So now you're out of forty nine. So who else is?

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Speaker 4: Who else makes his team but isn't dressing.

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Speaker 5: No, I see what you're saying. That's to be determined.

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Speaker 5: That's a weird puzzle to build.

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Speaker 3: Right now, right, probably, I mean you're you know, if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have seven defensive linemen on your roster, you're

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Speaker 3: not going to dress all seven.

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Speaker 5: If Lee makes a team, he probably won't dress, or

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Speaker 5: louder Milk or one of.

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Speaker 2: Those one of those guys won't dress.

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Speaker 3: You know, in a given week and a lot of

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Speaker 3: times that it does come down to who dresses on

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Speaker 3: game day? Is special teams, right, you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of people look at that, well so and so it

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Speaker 3: wasn't active today.

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Speaker 2: That means this guy has passed him.

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Speaker 3: No, that means that guy's more valuable on special teams, right,

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Speaker 3: and Danny at least eleven guys, right.

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Speaker 4: Will Logan Lee be a special teams guy?

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Speaker 5: Maybe? But I don't know if he's good enough to

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Speaker 5: get a hat period, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: That's right? Yeah, you gotta be better football to the better,

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Speaker 5: more developed as a d lineman. So Dale, I don't

655
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 5: have any names, but it's not a hard thing to

656
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 5: find on the open market. Right now, Would you be

657
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 5: looking for an outside corner that has been a gunner veteran.

658
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet like a Pierre. I want to

659
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: see something like that. I want to see more, uh,

660
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, I want to see Ryan Watts.

661
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: And just because you know, just because the first game

663
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: wasn't great in that regard, doesn't mean those guys can't

664
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: get better. As I always say, guys are allowed to

665
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: get better at these things.

666
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: They haven't done it, that's the problem.

667
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: Watts is the one that intrigues me the most for

668
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 5: all that. Ye, because i mean he's a physical specimen,

669
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 5: he's a little bit bigger. I mean he's been out

670
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: there on kickoff and you know he's been he's been

671
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: getting a lot more on.

672
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: His plate for that matter. Could you put Peyton Wilson out.

673
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: There as a gunner? Yeah? Unconventional he runs, yeah, yeah yeah.

674
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: Is there any difference between doing that and putting Miles

675
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: Boykin out there? Miles Boycom is a four to six

676
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: wide receiver.

677
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: And so who wins a race between those two? Yeah,

678
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 5: and they're both about third.

679
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: But they have the they had the ball to get

680
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: off the jams and do those kind of things.

681
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's never done it. Yeah, I mean, you

682
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: teach him from scratch.

683
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: He plays well in space, you know, yeah, telling you

684
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: know Miles did Miles boy Can do a lot of that,

685
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: notre dame.

686
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: I mean he was their number one wide receiver.

687
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 5: Oh, I know he did it at all. He was a

688
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: huge recruit to Yeah, he reinvented like hey, bay it

689
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: was a tenth pick of the draft or whatever.

690
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: Right himself?

691
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 5: How about Jonathan Ward that's the name I was trying

692
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: to into my tongue too. But is he acting on

693
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 5: game day? That means probably Patterson isn't, which he's never got.

694
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 5: There's a kick returner.

695
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. Right, you're not gonna take that away.

696
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: Well, but I mean, boy can boy Can wasn't really

697
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: a receiver.

698
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: He played so right right right, I mean, but he

699
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: could get you out gunner those type.

700
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: Of guy, right, boy can play one hundred and twenty

701
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: one snaps on offense.

702
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 5: So it's not like he never was out there on all.

703
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: You know they had when they when they were going

704
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: to some of those obvious running plays.

705
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: He was out there because he was a good blocker.

706
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 5: Him and Alan Robinson. You're blocking receivers, yes, which they

707
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: don't really have. Those guys right now. Either, you know,

708
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: it's a different makeup. It's a much different you know,

709
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 5: roster makeup than usual.

710
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: I do think you just, at least as a receiver,

711
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: have to be willing. And I see, you know, there

712
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: was a long throw down field, and I think it

713
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: was Des Fitzpatrick, who you know, was trying to you know,

714
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: at least screen his guy wasn't you know, that wasn't

715
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: a huge contact drill, but it was more of a

716
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: you know, the seven on seven passing drill kind of thing.

717
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: But he was throwing a block downfield. I think, I

718
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: think that's drilled into these guys that you better block.

719
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: And I thought, Scotty Wilson, I think I was talking

720
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: about this with Wed yesterday. Scotty Miller had a you know,

721
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: on Jonathan Ward's twenty yard run. He did, Yeah, that's

722
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: a ten yard run if he doesn't block his guy

723
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: and then he turns off cuts off of him and

724
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: picks up an extra ten yards.

725
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: And you're not asking him to put a guy in

726
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: their back. Oh he's on the sealed off on where that.

727
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: He's not a huge guy, Scotty Miller, right, And there's

728
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: there's the possibility that you know, a big, physical safety

729
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: could bowl over you know, one of the smaller receivers

730
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: for the Steelers, right, right. But but if those guys

731
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: are out there and willing and and just being feisty,

732
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: you know, it's like you know.

733
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: I interviews yeah, interviews Beanie.

734
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: Bishop after practice a couple of weeks ago, after one

735
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: of the early practices, and talked about him, you know,

736
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: ding up not only Calvin Austin, but in a goal

737
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: line drill they had him going against Pickens and he said, look, man,

738
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: I've never been a big guy, right, I've always been

739
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: a smaller guy. So you learn how to be feisty,

740
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: you learn how to be a tough little bugger, right,

741
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: and that goes a long way. I mean, you know

742
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: what Scotty Miller did I thought was really good. He

743
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: didn't knock his guy on his can, but he sprung

744
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: the guy for ten yards. So you're, yes, do you

745
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: have a prototypical Alan Robinson Miles boyking out there? No?

746
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: But do you have guys that can at least be

747
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: willing and get out there? And you don't have to

748
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: keep a guy engaged forever. You just have to, you know,

749
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: at least get in the way. Yeah, do do everything

750
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: you can to get in his way to spring a

751
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: guy in a big run, and.

752
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: Every team views that differently, Like the Great Show and

753
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: Turf didn't want Isaac Bruce to touch anybody or whole

754
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 5: you know, slide you know, Marvin Harrison, Reggy Wayne in

755
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: the Dome, just slide. Don't even get hit, let alone

756
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 5: block anybody. But Arthur Smith's teams receivers have always blocked.

757
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: I mean all those big runs you've seen for Henry

758
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: over the years. Yeah, he's a monster in the open field,

759
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: but I love it's because Aj Brown's downfield blocking for him,

760
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 5: or Rubber Woods or knowing tough guys and Atlanta they

761
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: always had big, physical guys. Who was the the receiver

762
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 5: they have. I can't remember his name, but he's like

763
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: a pure special team or matter.

764
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: What's that talking about Mac Mac mac Collins.

765
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I mean he came in the league as

766
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: a special team or boy kN it's developed into a receiver.

767
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: He blocks like crazy, you know. I mean Drake London,

768
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 5: they got to block like crazy, you know. So it

769
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 5: is something he seems to get out of his receivers.

770
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 5: Steel those guys that aren't built like Mac Collins and

771
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 5: A J.

772
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: Brown though, no, but you're built like but at least

773
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup, Austin and those guys are yeah, yeah, I

774
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: mean Cup's not a huge guy.

775
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: He's bigger than you think.

776
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: He's bulky though, right, they saw the full back.

777
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: So Cooper Cup's like six to one.

778
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: Is he that big?

779
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I know he plays in the slot,

780
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: but he's a bigger dude.

781
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: So Cup is a good blocker. Nikup is a good blocker.

782
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: The Rams are good blocking. Oh yeah, you know the

783
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: the you know, the forty nine ers. He was a monster.

784
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: Speaking of which Van Jefferson block overlooked him and he's

785
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: gonna be on the field more than well.

786
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: That was one of the things that with George Pickens,

787
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: you know, his first year, you know Georgia block well

788
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: then you know, last year was more of kind of

789
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: getting the way blocking, you know, trying to check guys

790
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: with his backside and things of that nature. You know,

791
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: I think you want to see George take that physicality

792
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: to the next level. You get an opportunity to to

793
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: deliver a blow on a defensive back.

794
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 5: Deliver the blow. Yeah, you're a big, physical guy, you

795
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: can be at least.

796
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 4: I think he will I do. I think he understands

797
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: that this is an identity. I think all the players

798
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: understand this is an identity.

799
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: You know, the.

800
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Players are they're fans, just like fans are fans, you know,

801
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: like they they understand that the Steelers are supposed to

802
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 4: have an identity, and Arthur Smith trying to instill the

803
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: kind of identity that goes hand in glove with the Steelers,

804
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: you know, traditions as a team, as a physical we're

805
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 4: going to out physical you. You are going to You're

806
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 4: going to be whipped at the end of this game.

807
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: They they I think players want to be part of that.

808
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 5: And I hate to say it this way, but there

809
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 5: was definitely times reading body language, reading the context cues

810
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: that the offensive players were frustrated with the situation too,

811
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 5: and like not that they gave up, but it was just,

812
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 5: you know, like banging their head against the wall a

813
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: little bit like if success breads more success. You know,

814
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 5: you're running the ball and you're moving the ball, and

815
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: it's easier to chip in as a blockers. It's some

816
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: human nature to it too, you know.

817
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again, I don't know how he headed down

818
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: this road, but we're talking we're talking about the special team.

819
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to remind him in it.

820
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: Though, because your idea about Wilson as a gunner I

821
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: think is intriguing because he's fast and he's good at stuff,

822
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, he's probably already on the punt

823
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 5: team doing something he's somebody else have to do.

824
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: And he's going to be a part of that.

825
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: But I go back to him and her big like

826
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: they might be pretty good defensive players, you know, like

827
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: that if Wilson goes past, if Wilson's on your top

828
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: two inside linebackers or I don't think he's going to be.

829
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: I think I think he's going to be out there

830
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: in packages.

831
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I think when they line up in the base defense,

832
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: I think ideally it's going to be a Landon Roberts

833
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: out there, and then I.

834
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: Would imagine from there. I wonder Nickel Dime how that

835
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: all sorts out. But because you're good. Yeah.

836
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: The thing that that's the thing about it is is

837
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: you do have to, you know, respect the land and

838
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: Roberts game and what he provided to the team last year,

839
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: mon he provides for this one, just that veteran experience

840
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: out there.

841
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 5: I just wonder though, if Wilson or Herbig's role grows,

842
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: can you still put them out on special teams?

843
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: Is? I think so?

844
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're young enough guys that you're not

845
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: gonna you're not gonna shy away from that.

846
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: Now, if her Big would have to be an injury, Herbert.

847
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Herbig would be an injury, and that would be

848
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: a different conversation. Yeah, because now you're now you're down

849
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: a linebacker, so you know.

850
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: You played sixty STAPs a game. You know it can

851
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 5: be your leading special teams that guy.

852
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: And that those are the things that people just don't

853
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: think about when they're cutting, you know, rosters or trying

854
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: to decide final rosters.

855
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 5: Well, I had to keep this guy over that guy.

856
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 3: Well, this guy helps on special teams, right, that guy

857
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't mean that guy can't play, but this guy

858
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: is better on teams.

859
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: I wonder if there's a safety out there with a

860
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: special teams background or you know, something like that, that

861
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: would be interesting. How do you fit him in the roster.

862
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: The next couple of weeks, and it was Des Fitzpatrick.

863
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: Who's the other gunner this past game? Beanie be Bishop, Right,

864
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: I think that it'll be interesting to see wh's out

865
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: there this week.

866
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: You know, I think that that could be. You'll see

867
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: different guys. I think you'll see Watts out there. They

868
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: were ripping it today.

869
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: Rush maybe. Yeah, some of.

870
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: These other guys guys that you look at and they

871
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: maybe they're on the You know, you're not guaranteed a

872
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: roster spot, but if you're good at good at doing

873
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: that job, maybe.

874
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: Are Yeah, there's Arnold's a wild card too.

875
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grayland, Arnold's a guy to keep an eye on.

876
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: I think he might.

877
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: I think he's the starting slot corner right now.

878
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: And if I do, if he better be a special

879
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: teams contributor to Yeah.

880
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of Beanie Bishop love out

881
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: there because he's, you know, local guy and all that stuff.

882
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't, I'm not. I don't know that

883
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: he played a particularly good game. No, you know, I

884
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: saw on the on the quote sheet.

885
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: Somebody asked Mike Tomlin about him after the game and

886
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: he said that, well, I heard his name being called

887
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: a lot.

888
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: And does that mean he had a good game? No,

889
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: not for a defensive back. No.

890
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 5: And I mean I haven't broken down every one of

891
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: their practice snaps, but it seems like Arnold's been the

892
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: better player on these fields in front of us.

893
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I would agree with that, But Beanies

894
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 4: had his moments too, sure, Yeah, yes. And there's going

895
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 4: to be ups and downs with rookie Yeah, yeah, I

896
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 4: mean there's going to be. You know, I think a

897
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 4: lot of guys. Sometimes a rookie will come out firing

898
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: at the beginning of camp and then all of a sudden,

899
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: camp you know, wears at him a little bit, you know, so.

900
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: They have a lot Yeah, you see that a lot.

901
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, guys catch up.

902
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: You know, maybe at the beginning of things they were

903
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: just playing a little different speed than everybody else, and

904
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: then as you get closer and closer to the season,

905
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: the speed picks up, or you know, guys start to

906
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: catch up, you know, in terms of the other the

907
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: wide receivers out there, and so they start to get

908
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: a better idea of what they're doing and therefore start

909
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: to beat you a little bit, and they learned your

910
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: tendencies as well.

911
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the league as a whole just never stops. I mean,

912
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 5: it's a moving train, but it's not only is it

913
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 5: a moving train, it accelerates, you know what I mean, right,

914
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 5: one goes you know, the trains moving ten miles an hour.

915
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 5: Now the trains move fifteen. You know, by week two

916
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: of the irregular season, it's one hundred.

917
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: You know.

918
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: Can you keep passing the tests and keeping up? Like

919
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: they always talked about Russell Wilson when he was a rookie,

920
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: Like remember they they gave Flynn a lot of money,

921
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 5: which sounds foolish at the time, but he was back

922
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: up for the Packers and they draft this short dude

923
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 5: at NC State in the third round and the head

924
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 5: coach Pete Carroll over and over was like, we keep

925
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 5: giving this rookie more and more on his plate, and

926
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 5: he has no problem with it whatsoever, you know, Like

927
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: it was, it was a big story for any We're

928
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 5: gonna start in week one. Can't believe it, you know.

929
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: That was your Flynn? What ten and five? Right, it's

930
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: a Chiefs back up.

931
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was he backing up I think he was

932
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: a pack or pack packer.

933
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: Okay, he's backing up Brady, that's right. And they went

934
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: they went ten and six at year, didn't make the playoffs.

935
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: One of the only thinks I'm uh now, I'm trying

936
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: to call him through the memory.

937
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Now you're you're you're confusing him with Matt Castle.

938
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: Am I okay?

939
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: Where he was with Green Bay.

940
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: And I think he fled. I don't know that he

941
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 5: played a lot.

942
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 4: You're right, I am confusing with Castle.

943
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: Yes it was.

944
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: He did not know his his most starts in one

945
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: season was was five.

946
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: And he was what he was like Remember Mitchell who

947
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: backed up Marino and got a big contract for the

948
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: Lions because he like a couple of good preseasons and

949
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 5: some mop up duty. And yeah, n Marino's backed up.

950
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 5: He was like one of those type of dudes.

951
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: He had.

952
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: The year before Matt Flynn went to Seattle, he played

953
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: in five games, made one start, uh three for five

954
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen yards with six touchdowns and two interceptions.

955
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: So I think they saw that, oh we might have

956
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: taste of this guy.

957
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, decent money.

958
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: That goes to show you about the quarterback position. Right,

959
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 4: there's some desperate.

960
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 5: Will chase it.

961
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: Oh, teams will chase it for sure.

962
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I do think that these you know,

963
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 4: beginning in this game and then in Detroit, I would think,

964
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: and I don't know how much they're going to parse

965
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: out the playing time between you know, Russell Wilson. I

966
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: think Mike tom was asked after the last game whether

967
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: you expects Russell Wilson to play this week, he said

968
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: he did so. Expect to see both quarterbacks there. I

969
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: guess expect to be seeing some starters then, right, Yeah,

970
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: But I would think special teams, just with all the

971
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: guys Deale that you brought up and that they're looking at,

972
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: I would think we're going to see first you know,

973
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: potential first teamers out there, especially since it didn't go

974
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: well this first week. I would think we're going to

975
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: see potential starters, right. Well, maybe not that because I

976
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: think they know what they have there, but the coverage

977
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 4: units and the and the you know, the blocking units

978
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: to return units other than maybe him.

979
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: I just don't know that you have another punt returner

980
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: on the roster that.

981
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: It's kind of austin or busted.

982
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, you can put Making Fitzpatrick

983
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: back there. He does you know, he does some of

984
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: that or he could you know, Cam Sutton does it

985
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: every practice.

986
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I think Rice Plumbly might get he

987
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: might better return it to Scotty Miller, maybe gets a

988
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: returner to and if maybe maybe you're maybe you're trying

989
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 4: to figure out who your next guy is there because

990
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: you know who you're you know who your one is there. Yeah,

991
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: I just think the rest of the there's probably five

992
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: or six spots on special teams. I mean, who do

993
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: you know you have Matti Kavich. Now you've been talking

994
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: about the pluses and minuses of playing Wilson and Herbig.

995
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: Are they too valuable on defense? Well? Who else do

996
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: you have?

997
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: But they have to be they have They're definitely in it,

998
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 5: right yeah, Killer Brew, mad if.

999
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: You're a backup linebacker, you have to play special team.

1000
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: And then you think of Rodney Williams if he makes

1001
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: the team, somebody else if he makes the team. So right,

1002
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: you got to figure out who's who those ifs are

1003
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: they're going to make the team.

1004
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: It'd be nice if what the problem is they are

1005
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 5: all the same body types. Hayward, her Big, Wilson, Matti Kaevich,

1006
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 5: Killer Brew. None of them are little fast guys, you

1007
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 5: know what I mean? You know your return or they're

1008
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 5: Austin and Patterson, that doesn't really matter. But I'm talking

1009
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: about like who your jam or like if a Watts

1010
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 5: or a Trice could be a really step up these

1011
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 5: next couple of weeks on special teams.

1012
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: That would go along with Yeah, I know, I don't

1013
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 4: think you're going to see a lot of Killbrew on

1014
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: special teams. Mike Toma talked about that last week, said, look,

1015
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 4: you'll see him at safety because that's his Yeah, that's

1016
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: his uh you know Josh right, Yeah, but he's as

1017
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: all pro.

1018
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no reason to put him out there and

1019
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: that you know he can do that.

1020
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: There's no more reason to put him out there than

1021
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: there is to put T. J. Watt out there. Right,

1022
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: you have a pretty good idea what.

1023
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: That level too. Like there're two of the top five

1024
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 5: or six special teamers in the league. Wow, yeah, mccor

1025
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: they are. There's no Floyd for that reason type guys. Yeah,

1026
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 5: which makes that matter Cavin signing a lot more understandable.

1027
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1028
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 5: Again, we just named like five or six core dudes

1029
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 5: that will be on all four teams, but the other

1030
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 5: ones are to be determined. Right. The corps looks good.

1031
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's something to keep an eye

1032
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 4: on for sure this week.

1033
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.

1034
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: You know when you're watching the game on Saturday, you

1035
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: know you see somebody stand out on those special teams units.

1036
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: That's a good way to make the roster. Yeah, I

1037
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: think you misspoke there, Dale. What you meant to say

1038
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: is when you're listening to the game on Saturday, is

1039
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: know what you meant to say.

1040
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: You can't see the special You could see it in

1041
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: your mind's eye.

1042
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: Dale, you have to do a heck of a job

1043
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: painting that picture.

1044
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: No offense, no offense.

1045
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: But all right, so when you watch the game on Saturday,

1046
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 4: what you gotta do.

1047
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 7: What you gotta do is watch the broadcast in turn. Okay,

1048
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: all right, okay, all right, okay, does that work for you? Well,

1049
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 7: Rob King just sitting your left here.

1050
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 5: You could do both. You can listen.

1051
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: You can listen once and then watch fair. You have

1052
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: to see it with your eyes. Sure, you have to

1053
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: trust it. No offense, no offense.

1054
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 5: Take a lot to be determined on special teams.

1055
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: A lot to be determinate, specialty.

1056
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Thursday will go a long way to Thursday is

1057
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: going to be a big day, no doubt about it. Again,

1058
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: that practice is closed to the public. Today's practice was open,

1059
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: nice crowd. Today tomorrow's or I'm sorry, tomorrow is a

1060
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: closed day. Here on campus. The Steelers will not be practicing.

1061
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Wednesday will be their final practice here at Saint Vincent College.

1062
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: That one is open to the public. That's a ten

1063
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: thirty am when. So, if you're gonna come out and

1064
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: see the Steelers one last time here or maybe for

1065
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: the first time here at Saint Pncent College, that's your

1066
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: last chance.

1067
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 5: Are we expecting that to be a light one? Since

1068
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: Thursday could be really physical now you're coming off a

1069
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: day off.

1070
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: Though, I don't know how physical Thursday's practice will be

1071
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: since it's a two days before a game, and I

1072
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know how the Bills treat their

1073
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: practice sessions either.

1074
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 5: Right, I don't know the head coach are gonna have

1075
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 5: long chats about these.

1076
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know if it'll be super physical.

1077
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: I think see a lot of special teams work, but

1078
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: the typically isn't overly physical either.

1079
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: No, No, that's more figuring out who's good at it.

1080
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I do think you're going to see a

1081
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 5: lot of situational stuff too, though, let's do third and long,

1082
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: let's do let's period, let's do two minutes. Things like

1083
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 5: that too. Maybe with Josh Allen and Russell ill. I

1084
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: still don't think it's gonna be.

1085
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: There's not They're not gonna be tackling guys to the

1086
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: ground and things of that.

1087
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so.

1088
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: By Steelers standards, it will not be a physical practice.

1089
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Speaker 3: Maybe it will be by Bill's practice standards.

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Speaker 4: But which Yeah, that's right. That could lead to its

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Speaker 4: own problems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when the fights start.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I don't think Lineman bang, No, they just do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not but it's you know, it's not going.

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Speaker 5: To be like what we just saw it here a

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Speaker 5: little bit ago.

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Speaker 2: Probably guys getting tackled to the ground and things of

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Speaker 2: that nature.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to a break. Key is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: That's the Rob King. I am Dale Lolly, just Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We are here live.

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Speaker 3: On the Steelers Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh from

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Speaker 3: training camp here at Saint Fencent College.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold s n Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale lay here with d Rob King and

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Speaker 3: Z Matt Williamson and we are at Steelers' training camp

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Speaker 3: here at Saint Pencent College. The penultimate, Yeah, about a

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Speaker 3: practice of camp twenty twenty four been a good camp.

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Speaker 4: Ultimate for me.

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Speaker 5: It's is this your last day at trobe?

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Speaker 4: This is my ultimate dator show. A last day. Penultimate

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Speaker 4: is one of those great sportscaster words.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: It's never used by anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Nobody ever, Lay there's lots of that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Writer, yeah, and radio hosts and writers and TV guys, and.

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Speaker 3: You never anybody called grizzled anywhere. But on the in

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Speaker 3: terms of support and the grizzled veteran or the young

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Speaker 3: My favorite one is the young rookie. That's a good

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Speaker 3: one too, well, the true for the young freshman or

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Speaker 3: the you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose if you come over, you know, you're

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Speaker 4: a veteran of say the Japanese League, can you come over,

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Speaker 4: you can still be a you can be an old rookie,

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Speaker 4: right I suppose. Yeah, that's right, Chris wink.

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00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 5: Yeah. A few of those more in this draft too,

1132
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Speaker 5: not that old. But this was an old draft class too.

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Speaker 5: It all the COVID stuff.

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00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so now now it would actually pertain, would it not.

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Speaker 5: They're still young though. I mean they're the youngest guys

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Speaker 5: on the team. We learned a lot though the last

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Speaker 5: couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Huh, we have I wanted to mention one thing here

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Speaker 3: before we get to what we've learned. All right, Just

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00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: looking here on Pro Football Focus, and they have each

1141
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Speaker 3: quarterback and each starting quarterback or presume starting quarterback in

1142
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Speaker 3: the league their biggest weakness. I saw that, and for

1143
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson they list his biggest weakness as first read throws.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I read it and didn't quit.

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Speaker 2: I don't quite understand what they're saying here, but.

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Speaker 5: That's an I can kind of explain it. That's everyone knows.

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00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 5: I like analytics, and there's a new way this last

1148
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: year or so where they're trying to make that a

1149
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 5: stat You know that wherever his eyes go first, did

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00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: the ball go there or not? You kind of have

1151
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: to know the play calls.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like as you might be trying to manipulate

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00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: the safety exactly, I mean exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if Marino looks off a guy, is that

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00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 5: not a first reeding? Like I don't know that people

1156
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: know that even unless you're the coaching staff or the quarterback, right,

1157
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of that with pro football

1158
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 5: focused the whole analytic communities. This is one of the

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Speaker 5: new trends of and a lot of it's like, what

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Speaker 5: kind of coordinator are you? I mean, if you're getting

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00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 5: the ball out quick on first read throws, well, then

1162
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Speaker 5: you're efficient, you know, because you don't have to go

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Speaker 5: through your progressions. Or Brady comes to the line and

1164
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Speaker 5: reads the defense so well that he knows exactly where

1165
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Speaker 5: to go as soon as the ball comes out. That's fine,

1166
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of gray area there. I don't

1167
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Speaker 5: quite understand the whole approach analytically to first read throws.

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Speaker 4: How do you sort of countenance scouting raw scouting with

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Speaker 4: analytics and football.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a wonderful tool. And you know, like

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Speaker 5: I do those game previews Matt stats, and to me,

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Speaker 5: it's a really good way of starting to get a

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Speaker 5: real feel for what the opponent's trying to do. You know,

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Speaker 5: how they built their team, where they spent their money,

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Speaker 5: how much their run pass ratio is, you know, are

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Speaker 5: they overcoming a bad quarterback? But I think there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of stats that are telling, but context is so important.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and this sort of applies to like the

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Speaker 5: Steeler running backs. But I mean that's an obvious low

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Speaker 5: hanging fruit example. What Nause he's asked to do against

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Speaker 5: the boxes in the down and distance just isn't the

1182
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Speaker 5: same as Warren. You know, all equal, They're not all equal, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean? And always the thing with football is, you

1184
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Speaker 5: know you're a baseball guy. I mean, it's such a

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Speaker 5: small sample size. I mean, sixteen seventeen games, or a

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Speaker 5: dude only plays eight games. Like, does anyone care with

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Speaker 5: what the Pirates right fielder does in an eight game stretch? Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I do. I do sometimes wonder if it is

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Speaker 4: when if you tried to delineate between the two and

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Speaker 4: absolutely separate them out, whether it's it's a better uh

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Speaker 4: you know, sort of post game description than it is

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Speaker 4: something to go in at or do you would you

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Speaker 4: go in with analytics as part of your eyes to

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Speaker 4: analyze a player?

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Speaker 5: I think, I mean, if I was just college scouting

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Speaker 5: for the draft, I would go tape tape tape and

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Speaker 5: then dig into the analytics and kinds like that. I

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Speaker 5: do think analytics can be overkilled, but I also think

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Speaker 5: you're nuts if you ignore them. I totally agree, But

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Speaker 5: like The one that makes me crazy is there's these

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Speaker 5: sites or Twitter people that are that say, and Tomlin's

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Speaker 5: often guilty of it. Oh the numbers say you should

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Speaker 5: have went for it on fourth and won there from

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Speaker 5: the twenty two yard lines.

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Speaker 4: Like I's dale crazy.

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Speaker 5: I know we bring it up a lot like yeah,

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Speaker 5: but you okay, Well what play would you have called? Right? Well,

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Speaker 5: we don't really have a great play because we can't

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Speaker 5: block Aaron Donald. Well, then you shouldn't go for it

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Speaker 5: right right? Or the wind is blowing at a remarkable rate,

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Speaker 5: I am going to go for it. I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to punt the ball up in the air into a

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Speaker 5: wall of wind, or go for the field goal in

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Speaker 5: a hailstorm, you know, like they don't account for those things.

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Speaker 5: They're massive.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe momentum is a thing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So do you believe if you go for two?

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Speaker 4: And I always believe if you go for two at

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Speaker 4: the wrong spot and don't convert, it can hurt your

1222
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Speaker 4: momentum as a team.

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Speaker 5: Yes. So there's a writer that's very analytically based, Bill Barne.

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Speaker 5: While he works for ESPN and we often reference his articles,

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Speaker 5: I think he does very very good work. He started

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Speaker 5: at Football Siders, now he's at ESPN. He wrote a

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Speaker 5: pretty well known article like two or three years ago,

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Speaker 5: momentum in football doesn't matter and here's all the numbers.

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Speaker 5: Why I didn't even read it, nor do I want to,

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Speaker 5: because I think that that's just untrue, right, Like you

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Speaker 5: can't convince me.

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Speaker 4: Well, Billy Bean in Moneyball was quoted as saying clutch

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Speaker 4: doesn't exist. Well, I don't think that's true either. Now.

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Speaker 4: I think lots of guys can be clutch, but I

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Speaker 4: think you can also be unclutch. There are guys who.

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Speaker 5: Can some luck, you happen to hit good hit at

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Speaker 5: the right time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's also the ability to not have the

1239
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: moment be too big for you, too big for that,

1240
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Speaker 4: which is you know, Wes and I were trying to

1241
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Speaker 4: we're trying to again parse out what instinct means and

1242
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Speaker 4: con whether a player could be instinct. I think that instinct,

1243
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Speaker 4: to me is a long lifetime or whatever, however long

1244
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Speaker 4: you've been playing your sport of being aware of what's

1245
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Speaker 4: going on, being attuned to what is going on, and

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Speaker 4: then being able to use that at a time when

1247
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Speaker 4: others can't. So maybe the adrenaline of the game takes

1248
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Speaker 4: over for you and you do something that you shouldn't do.

1249
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Speaker 4: But for some players, I think a part of their

1250
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 4: brain can still be switched on to awareness around them,

1251
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Speaker 4: the ability to catalog through events that have happened. And

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Speaker 4: I mean, why can in basketball a guy turn around

1253
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: and shootout looking at the basket because he's aware of

1254
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Speaker 4: where he is and the moment hasn't gotten too big

1255
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Speaker 4: for him, and that awareness takes the right level and

1256
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Speaker 4: his brain of what's happening around him. That's That's about

1257
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Speaker 4: the best I can explain what I think instinct means

1258
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Speaker 4: for an athlete.

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Speaker 5: I see what you're saying. I want to rewind run

1260
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Speaker 5: question because instinct makes my blood boil. You know, Clutch

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Speaker 5: like Joe Montana in the Super Bowl, that was John Candy.

1262
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Speaker 5: I mean that's clutch is his heart doesn't beat as

1263
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Speaker 5: fast as the next guy. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: That's clutch. To me, Instinct I just think is the

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Speaker 5: wrong word, Like I never use the word instinct. Like

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Speaker 5: to me, instinct is a lion comes out of the

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Speaker 5: womb and instinctially hunts antelope. Great whites come out of

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Speaker 5: the womb and they kill seals, you know, like that's instinct.

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Speaker 5: Ray Lewis wasn't out of the womb knowing how to

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Speaker 5: read outside z own plays. Yes, I mean some might

1271
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: see the world differently. Everybody has different traits that you're

1272
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 5: born with. You see the world differently. You have better vision,

1273
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 5: you're you have a better spatial awareness was the term

1274
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 5: you used. You know where the hoop is at all time.

1275
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Speaker 5: But I think instincts the term instincts Luke Keighley. You

1276
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 5: know ray Lewis because they watch a lot of tape, right,

1277
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: and they're really good at it, and they're.

1278
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: Like and they're extremely aware of where they are and

1279
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Speaker 4: what it means and they can get to it very quickly. However,

1280
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: born with that, right, they were born.

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Speaker 5: With traits, but they developed those trades.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think all of that tape study, awareness of

1283
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 4: what you've been doing since you were a little kid

1284
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 4: when other people might not be as aware of that

1285
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, and being able to tune into that

1286
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Speaker 4: and again be able to utilize it at the proper moment,

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Speaker 4: that's what we describe as instinct. You're right, it's not

1288
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Speaker 4: it's not a piranha eating right, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean they instinctually feed the second they come out.

1290
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Speaker 5: They weren't taught how to eat a seal or whatever.

1291
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Speaker 5: I mean, they got better at it eat seals? Do

1292
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Speaker 5: you think? I think? And I think.

1293
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Speaker 4: In the Amazon though no where is that?

1294
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Speaker 5: Whereas are Amazon? Yes? Yes, you know, Like there's two

1295
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Speaker 5: things I'm horrendous at. If I had to be a musician,

1296
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 5: I could try as hard as I possibly would, and

1297
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Speaker 5: I would never be good at it. Or if I

1298
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: had to build things for a living or use my hands,

1299
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Speaker 5: I'd be terrible at it. But I get better, I mean,

1300
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like whatever you and there

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Speaker 5: are some football players that shouldn't be playing football. They

1302
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 5: just happen to be big and fast, right, you know

1303
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 5: what I mean?

1304
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 4: But there are also, you know, now when you talk

1305
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 4: about music and then and probably I think you would

1306
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: guitar players. Some guitar players would describe themselves as instinctual players.

1307
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: Some people Eric Clapton great at extempora and his guitar solos.

1308
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 4: George Harrison not great at excepting his guitar solos. Still

1309
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: an unbelievable guitar player, still in a top notch incredible

1310
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: guitar player, but it's that instinct is that? What is that?

1311
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 5: I don't know. I kind of look at like Goodwill Hunting.

1312
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 5: He's like, when I saw numbers, I could just do it.

1313
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 5: But if you've just sit down a piano like Mozart,

1314
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: it's just a bunch of it's a wood box and

1315
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 5: a bunch of keys. And I'm like, I can't, I

1316
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 5: don't see it. You love that movie? Yeah, that's great.

1317
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: Sorry we're talking, uh Goodwill, Honey.

1318
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: I was talking about Amadeas.

1319
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, that was.

1320
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 5: Crazy in here.

1321
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 4: The other fabulous scene in the movie that on Medea's

1322
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: scene where he's not making any mistakes what he's writing

1323
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: the music, just hears it all in his head and

1324
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 4: put it down on a piece of paper and never

1325
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: has to correct it.

1326
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Virtual osos.

1327
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: And I do think Ray Lewis and Keithley and those

1328
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 5: guys I think have more of that than others. But

1329
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 5: you're not just born with the ability to read diagnose

1330
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 5: blocks and you know, but I do think he can

1331
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 5: see things differently than other people, and I think that

1332
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 5: leads to being able to do that. You see, I

1333
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 5: just hate the term instincts.

1334
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: Things slowed down for you a little bit more.

1335
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 5: Ted Williams can see them. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1336
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 5: you're better traits.

1337
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and maybe you have better peripheral vision and

1338
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: than things of that nature that that lend itself to

1339
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: being able to do that. But to your point, you

1340
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: are right, the instincts come from film watching.

1341
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's from developing them. I mean, developing the traits

1342
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 5: you were born with and you know, getting the most

1343
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 5: out of them. Again, I don't think you hunt the

1344
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: second you come out of the womb, you know what

1345
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: I mean? Hunt running backs like instinct.

1346
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 4: I think it could. It's probably it's probably a word

1347
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 4: that could be replaced by another word.

1348
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 5: That's what I mean. I don't know what it is yet.

1349
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 5: But the fact that Peyton Wilson gets here and he

1350
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 5: diagnoses things really quick, probably because he's studied, you know

1351
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 5: what I mean. Yeah, he's been taught for sure, you know. Yeah.

1352
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1353
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: So getting back to the original conversation about Russell Wilson,

1354
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: so you don't put a lot of stock into the

1355
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: whole first read, No, I.

1356
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 5: Need more proof that that's a thing. It's too new,

1357
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 5: and I've just heard it really the last that most

1358
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 5: two years, really this last year, and I think you

1359
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 5: really need to know things again. I mean Marino comes

1360
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 5: the line, looks, the guy off fires at the opposite field. Yeah,

1361
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 5: does that mean he was not good on the first read?

1362
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 5: And I don't even know that that would be like

1363
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 5: my biggest Russell Wilson negative. Like okay, I mean if

1364
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 5: it's super well defined for you and your gardener, like

1365
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: I bet gardner Minshew's really good on first read because

1366
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 5: they led the league. So he does l the league

1367
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: in RPOs last year, so the first read is really easy.

1368
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 5: I mean they're gonna throw him or hm, you know,

1369
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 5: like that doesn't mean you're a good quarterback.

1370
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you. So anyways,

1371
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: let's change in gears there. I just saw that on

1372
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: on the Pro Football Focus. I want to talk about that.

1373
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 5: I am interested to read the other thirty one, but

1374
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 5: I've read that one. I don't know.

1375
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: So, Uh, we're now well over two weeks into this

1376
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: thing here at training camp, and uh, I wanted to

1377
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: get you guys's opinion on your opinions on what you

1378
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: what you've learned here at camp and uh, what you

1379
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 3: still want to see more of Rob?

1380
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 4: What have I learned I've learned that he learned a.

1381
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: Lot of name pronounce I.

1382
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: Did you learned a lot of name pronunciations. I think that,

1383
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: and that was one of the things I was looking at.

1384
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 4: I think that I feel pretty good about the quarterback position. One, two, three.

1385
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: I think they're all. I think Allen has shown some

1386
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 4: things out there. I think that. I mean, again, I'm

1387
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 4: gonna surmise. I think I think Calvin Austin is going

1388
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: to be utilized a lot more. I just I just

1389
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: get this. My instinct tells me, my instinct of football

1390
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: viewing instinct tells me that he's gonna be I mean,

1391
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 4: I see him working with Russell Wilson after practice, I

1392
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: saw the big games he had in last week's game.

1393
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 4: I just have a sneaking suspicion that he's going to

1394
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 4: be out there. And I think the special teams needs

1395
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 4: to accelerate quickly. That's what I think that Those are

1396
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 4: the Those are just some of the takeaways that I

1397
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 4: have from camp, and I think there's gonna be some

1398
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 4: good football players, barring injuries, that aren't going to make

1399
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 4: the team, especially on the offensive and defensive lines.

1400
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 5: Sticking on special teams, I'll be shocked if the Buffalo

1401
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 5: game has as many hiccups errors as this past one, you.

1402
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

1403
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet. I mean, I'm just using my instincts here,

1404
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 5: but I'm thinking, like the first preseason game, special teams

1405
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 5: across the league year after year, it is probably terrible.

1406
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 5: I mean, think about what Danny has to deal with,

1407
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 5: all those different people coming together that give him.

1408
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: You got you got ninety guys on the roster, right,

1409
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: you probably have sixty of those guys that are available

1410
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: for special teams.

1411
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 5: He used to coach them all in some way, shape

1412
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 5: or form. Yeah, you know what I mean, and half

1413
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 5: of them the guys are counting on that. Benny, I

1414
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: always go to back to Benny Snell. Benny Snell was

1415
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 5: a big fish in a small pond. He was the

1416
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 5: best guy on his offense at Kentucky. Not that small pond.

1417
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 5: But the only way to make it here is learn

1418
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 5: how to tackle on teams and things like that. You know.

1419
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 5: So these guys didn't do it off the bat, you know. So,

1420
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 5: I mean early in the process on teams, you're biting

1421
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 5: off a lot, you know. And again you're not gonna

1422
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 5: have that guy as your punk returner. You know. Some

1423
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 5: of those things to the experimented with.

1424
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 4: Well, I think too. The one thing that I think

1425
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 4: is interesting about it, Yes, you have the you know,

1426
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 4: and not only that, not only what you're talking about,

1427
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: not only you're gonna get better in week two, but

1428
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: you don't have your your two best special teamers aren't

1429
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 4: even out there. Matty Cavig isn't gonna be out there.

1430
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: Killer Brew's not gonna be out there. There's gonna be.

1431
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 5: They're also the captains. It lines everybody up. Yes, it's

1432
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 5: like not playing their quarterback and center.

1433
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's gonna be some there's gonna be some drop

1434
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 4: off and you're going to see you know, you want

1435
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 4: everybody to have an opportunity. I just think that to me,

1436
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 4: they have so many guys to replace that they have

1437
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 4: to you know, that has to we I would like

1438
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 4: to start seeing. Okay, uh, that guy looks like a replacement.

1439
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: Ryan Watts looks like a gunner. Yeah, you know what

1440
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 4: I mean that that kind of thing.

1441
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: But does he have the instincts?

1442
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 4: Well, so, I think I think your point. I think

1443
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 4: your point about special teams improving a natural improvement from

1444
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 4: week one and special teams some of that is personnel

1445
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 4: because you have guys that are frankly not going to

1446
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 4: be playing professional.

1447
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 5: Football, and we eliminated a bunch too, right, sixty goes

1448
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 5: to thirty.

1449
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 4: To Tail's point, Yeah, yeah, so I think that becomes

1450
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 4: much more interesting certainly moving forward. And I agree with you.

1451
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 4: I do think it's gonna you have a veteran, really

1452
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 4: good coach who's going to tighten things up. But it's

1453
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 4: also you know, because you have so many guys to replace,

1454
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting.

1455
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 5: I think. So quick question for you too. I know

1456
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 5: we only have a little bit before Rob leaves for

1457
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 5: the season. Everyone's always everyone's all concerned about this. You know,

1458
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 5: go get a starting receiver. Are you concerned at all

1459
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 5: with the cornerback room. I'm fine with the two starters.

1460
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 5: I'm more than fine with the two starters. But then

1461
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of leap of faith.

1462
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 3: I think we kind of knew that coming into this though,

1463
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: because you know, outside of Anthony aver it really none

1464
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: of those guys had played a lot of football.

1465
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 5: And that's if you be a sutton. To me, was

1466
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 5: he eliminates all that faith? But eight games where I'm

1467
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 5: leaping the faith here.

1468
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know if

1469
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: they who knows how many games they expected him to

1470
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 4: be suspended. I assume they expected him to be suspended

1471
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 4: for some amount of time. Eight was was was a

1472
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: lot of games. It's half the season pretty much. So

1473
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 4: I agree with you and I do think that again,

1474
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: when we talk about the wide receiver position. Am I

1475
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 4: less concerned if everybody stays healthy? Yeah, I'm probably a

1476
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: little bit less concerned if everybody stays healthy, But everybody

1477
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: has to offense, right, and then you hope, you know,

1478
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: Rice and or a rush end or you know Trice

1479
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: developing special teams get some familiarity out there can be

1480
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,959
Speaker 4: is one of those guys going to be in dime?

1481
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 4: Are you going to go with three safeties? You know,

1482
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: there's different kind of like with the passing game, Matt,

1483
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 4: there's way because they have three veteran safeties at they like,

1484
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 4: there are ways they can maybe get around the traditional

1485
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 4: six defensive or six cornerback or five cornerback alignment or

1486
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: six if you have a nickel out there. So and

1487
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 4: we're asking the same thing in the passing game. We

1488
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 4: talked about this at the beginning of the Showdale a

1489
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 4: little bit of Friarmouth, a little bit of Austin, a

1490
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 4: little bit of Patterson, a little more guys out of

1491
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 4: the back and backfield, and all of a sudden, you

1492
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 4: don't need as many. You don't need the receiver that

1493
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 4: people think you need.

1494
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 3: I thought you were saying Mambo number five there for

1495
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: a second, but that I thought you were singing Mambo

1496
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 3: number five figure, A little bit of Patterson, a little bit.

1497
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 4: Of Oh man, that's a good call.

1498
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you could say this about every team in

1499
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 5: every position, but if Pickens are Porters out for a

1500
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 5: stretch right, all of a sudden, it's def gone three.

1501
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1502
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: The depth of both of those positions is concerning, and

1503
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 3: that's that's been my problem all along, particularly at wide receiver.

1504
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm fine with the receivers that they have unless

1505
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: you tell me George Pickens is gonna miss five games,

1506
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 3: and then I'm not so fine with it.

1507
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see the plan on offense easier, but

1508
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: it's all easier to see because you see them where

1509
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: they're putting the football.

1510
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: But I'm fine with the depth of cornerback as long

1511
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: as Joey Porter Junior doesn't miss any of those first

1512
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: eight games.

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Speaker 5: Right, you know, yes, that's right, and I love the

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Speaker 5: Sutton addition for that reason because of his inside outside

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01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 5: versatilility experience. But you know, you don't have him for

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Speaker 5: a while.

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Speaker 3: But that also, I mean, we're gonna see guys cut

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Speaker 3: loose here over the next in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: That maybe that's a position you grab. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: I would say that might be high on my list

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 5: of veteran corner that some bad team thought was a

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Speaker 5: little too expensive. They want a young guy that has

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Speaker 5: been around the block.

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Speaker 3: You've already seen, you know, a guy like Juju Smith

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Speaker 3: Schuster gets cut. Okay, he was making too much money,

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01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 3: wasn't that They're they're trying to get younger.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't part of the equation. No, I don't think

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01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: he's part of the equation here either.

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Speaker 3: No, but that doesn't mean there won't be a cornerback

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Speaker 3: who's maybe a nickel only well, okay.

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Speaker 5: Joe Hayden was a Brown at this point. You know,

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Speaker 5: like those things do happen, and they have more caps

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 5: and they still they could do those.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I think it's kind of cool. After

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Speaker 4: practice Cam Sutton always goes over to the field number two.

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01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 4: The Stree fields in front of us. The third field

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 4: doesn't really get much use. In the second field gets

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01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 4: used at the beginning. The defense is you know, warming

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 4: up over there, and then they come over to the

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01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 4: field in front of us. But Cam Sutton, like Papa Bear,

1541
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 4: you know, gathers the young defensive backs over there pretty

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Speaker 4: much before practice and after every practice, Cam Sutton is

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01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 4: over there working with Beanie Bishop and Greyl and Arnold

1544
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 4: and Thomas Graham Junior and all the young defensive backs

1545
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 4: are over there, all the young duds. It's pretty cool,

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Speaker 4: all the young dudes. Mambo number five. That's that was

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01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 4: the the playlist here for Dale right, Mambo number five.

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Speaker 5: And he's always be considered. He was a team captain

1549
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 5: oft Tennessee. He's done safety work, he's on slought, he's

1550
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 5: on outside. He's a student of the game and a

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01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 5: smart dude and a good influence of those young pups.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, you start looking at those things.

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Speaker 3: I think I think they will be watching the cut

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: lists and maybe he's maybe. You see, there was a

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 3: trade last week. This past week, two teams traded cornerbacks,

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: which I thought was strange. I didn't look into the

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: I didn't look into it to see is this guy

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01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: an outside corner that guys will lot or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, that's that's a strange when you don't

1561
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: often see player for player and they're played the same position.

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Speaker 5: You're right though, but I mean even the Browns traded

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 5: for Harris a center, Yeah, yes, who was a former.

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: Brown you swapped late round draft.

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01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 5: There'll be a lot of those type of moves. Six

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 5: and seven round picks will be on the move these

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Speaker 5: next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's something to keep an eye on there.

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Speaker 3: That'll tell you where the Steelers feel like they are

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Speaker 3: at at this point.

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Speaker 5: I thought they might move a lineman. But if is

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Speaker 5: going to be I still yeah, right, thanks, If he's

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01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 5: gonna be out any longer, then maybe you know you're

1574
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Speaker 5: not I don't know, you know, Like so, I was

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 5: hoping they could turn somebody into a pick.

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Speaker 4: And doesn't that make you worry?

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Speaker 5: What do you mean?

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 4: I mean down the line, if you're if it's if

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 4: that injury makes you wonder whether you have enough depth

1580
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 4: to make a trade. Do you ever feel like you

1581
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 4: have enough?

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: They have plenty of depth.

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 5: The trade guys nine to make the team. You know

1584
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 5: that somebody would be on the move.

1585
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Speaker 2: I just think you keep ten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But so isn't it always who gets hurt? Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean we're talking about if the stars get hurt, right,

1588
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 4: If a starter gets hurt, how much that affects thing?

1589
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 4: If a backup gets hurt. I mean, you don't want

1590
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 4: to see anybody get hurt. But if a backup gets

1591
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 4: hurt on special teams, all right, Danny Smith, you got

1592
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 4: a problem. Go figure it out. If a starter gets

1593
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Speaker 4: hurt on uh, you know, defense, and now you're moving

1594
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 4: everybody around out of position, and now all of a sudden,

1595
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: instead of you know, one holey maybe one injury, you

1596
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 4: can create two or three different holes on a defense.

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Speaker 5: And they've been remarkably lucky fortunate with o line injuries

1598
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 5: the last couple of years. Doesn't mean it's due to

1599
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 5: blow up, but you know, they haven't had to dig.

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Speaker 3: Into the depth, no, but they did have to dig

1601
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: into that depth from other places. And that's one of

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Speaker 3: the things that stood out to me. You know, outside

1603
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: of those two positions that we just mentioned, cornerback and

1604
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 3: wide receiver, I think they've got outstanding depth across the board.

1605
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Speaker 5: The only one I would be a little concerned after

1606
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 5: the Golden sign or retirement was is there a fourth

1607
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 5: outside linebacker that's not on the team, You know what

1608
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 5: I mean? And I don't know.

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: You know Kyron Johnson's he's interesting as a guy that

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: signed late last year and ended up playing one hundred

1611
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Speaker 3: special team snaps.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be a special team spot, That's what I'm saying, right.

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 5: I don't think they'll go get another Golden that doesn't

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 5: play teams that might be the best special team or

1615
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 5: out here type of guy in back to our original conversation, right,

1616
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Speaker 5: So keep an eye on that in the game on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Hey Steeler fans, you can gear up with the latest

1618
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: sideline apparel, hats or jerseys of your favorite players, authentic memorabilia,

1619
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 3: custom items, and exclusives you could only find directly from

1620
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: the team at one of the official Steelers pro shops.

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Speaker 3: They're located to dak Rosser Stadium, Grove City, Premium, Mounta Let's,

1622
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: or Tangle out Let's, or you can visit online at

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Speaker 3: shop dot Steelers dot com. And it looks like a

1624
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: lot of people have been doing that because man, I

1625
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: saw a lot of jerseys out there throughout this training camp,

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01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 3: a little bit at everybody. Some lot of gear, absolutely

1627
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: a lot of and hey, Steeler fans love their love

1628
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 3: their throwbacks.

1629
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 2: They love to have the old guys on there.

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01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see some lamb a Bradshaw, see all

1631
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: that stuff, Joe Green, you see all those out here

1632
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 3: at training camp.

1633
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: But Rob, this is this is going to do it

1634
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: for you out here.

1635
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 4: Yes, you guys are gonna give you guys a little rest,

1636
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 4: but a couple of weeks to recover. Then I'll join

1637
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,440
Speaker 4: you for a little.

1638
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 5: You just stop by the drive from time and time

1639
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 5: this year.

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: Sure, right, yeah, I think once a week and then

1641
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Speaker 4: the Thursday show I think is going to be back.

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01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 5: Yeah we have that Thursday video. We did have three

1643
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Speaker 5: of us, Yeah, I think, and you and I and

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Speaker 5: Wolf will do a Monday show too.

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 4: Thanks for letting me, Thanks for letting me squeeze in here.

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Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure.

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed it.

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01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: Thanks, it's been a pleasure. But that's going to do

1649
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: it for us.

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Speaker 3: Here today live from Steelers training camp at Saint Vincent College.

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Speaker 3: One practice remaining that is open to the public. That

1652
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 3: will be Wednesday at ten thirty am. Get here early,

1653
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 3: get your last opportunity to go out and get some autographs,

1654
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 3: watch the guys practice before they head into the regular season.

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: But for my partners Matt Williamson, Rob King for Brian

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Speaker 3: Lamartine back in studio, so keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lallie. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 3: edition of The Drive on the Steelers Audio Network and

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Pittsburgh.