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Speaker 1: you're about to hear part three.

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Speaker 2: It's Josh Lucas an ununbelievable tale of a guy who

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's just just again like if you listen to

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Speaker 2: your player personnel with Chicago Bears. But that's not where

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Speaker 2: the story ends, and we'll get to all of that

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Speaker 2: in part three. Let me quickly give you a little

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Speaker 2: the teams and who's actually going to win and who's

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Speaker 2: actually any good or whatever, like, how do we reconcile?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not we, but I don't know, is we? How

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Speaker 1: do you reconcile the fact that he also has a joke?

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Speaker 2: So how do we talk about the Ulscar game when

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Speaker 2: I think everybody who loves basketball just use it as

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: I actually do get it. Eighty two games, a lot

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Speaker 1: And this is not yesterdayear.

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Speaker 2: But most of these guys are playing far less than

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Speaker 1: Fifteen, twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: The conditions are better, the treatment is better, and so okay,

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Speaker 2: So let's figure out a better way to do it.

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Speaker 2: And I think I figured that All Star weekend is

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Speaker 2: if if you want our time off, everything is a

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Speaker 2: One you're gonna have to commit to playing more of

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Speaker 2: Propose is you play the All Star Game, you coincide

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Speaker 2: It at one week in the middle. Or you can

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Speaker 1: You give them the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You get, you give them like a legit like can

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Speaker 2: And why would anybody watch? And why would I invest

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Speaker 2: Saying you can use, which I don't. I'm not quoting anybody.

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Speaker 2: It's the lifeblood of what you do, right, Like if

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Speaker 1: When they get paid. Let's get to part three.

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Speaker 2: Here's Josh Lucas. What's that like to get that You

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Speaker 4: Twenty seventeen. So it was it was Coach Fox's third year.

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Speaker 1: Of a big draft.

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Speaker 2: Why Mitch? Why not Watson? And maybe more importantly one

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Speaker 1: Did you know any of this other stuff?

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Speaker 4: The character on all three guys were clean that you know,

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Speaker 3: I think for me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think the instinctive offscript playmaking would be as transferable.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, you need to look at like,

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Speaker 3: We felt we felt the floor for Mitch was higher.

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Speaker 4: We felt the ceiling for Mahomes was Highler he had

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Speaker 3: Can you really do that?

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Speaker 4: In the NFL, where we thought Mitch was the more

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Speaker 4: Probably one of the best quarterbacks ever to do it.

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Speaker 1: When did you know that Mitch.

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Speaker 4: The the second year? You know, I think in the

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Speaker 4: we obviously went to the playoffs. The game we lost,

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Speaker 4: the double doink. And I thought there was some optimism

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Speaker 4: he doesn't see things as fast. Well, he will as

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Speaker 3: You're you know, like, that's hard. It's hard, you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't tell it any differently to anyone. I tell

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Speaker 4: And knowing that that was, you know, the decision we

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Speaker 4: it right away and knew, you know, it was going

442
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: in a direction that could get really serious, really fascinated,

443
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 4: and and you know, December eighteenth, I called in and

444
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 4: uh talked to our HR people with the bears, and said,

445
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: you know, I need to get help right away.

446
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Did they did they know? Did they already know?

447
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 4: I'm sure people, I'm sure people knew. I'm sure people

448
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 4: could sense that something was going on with me in

449
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: the building. You know when when when you know you're

450
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: you're under the influence, you know, of that type of medication,

451
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: obviously you're gonna act different and speak different. And you know,

452
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure people were aware, but you know.

453
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: It was.

454
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 4: I'm proud of myself that I asked for help. And

455
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: obviously it's it's heartbreaking that the people I let down

456
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: and that I didn't do the right thing the first

457
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: time and just get help before the relapse happened. But

458
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 4: I knew I couldn't let it go on and risks

459
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: the things that could have potentially happened if I would

460
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: have kept going. So yeah, that December eighteenth, twenty twenty one,

461
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: is when I called in and said, yeah, I need

462
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: to get help.

463
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: I don't I It's interesting how you look at it

464
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: about people you let down I think obviously you don't

465
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: want to relapse. But again you talked about the three options.

466
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: You're much better off choose the option of getting help

467
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: than you are the other two options when you're when

468
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: you're so addicted to something so okay. So then what

469
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: was that rehab process?

470
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: Like, you know, obviously I knew.

471
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: Either way, you know, you know, I was in in

472
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: jeopardy of you know, not being employed with the Bears anymore,

473
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: and and I knew I needed time. That's that's the

474
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: one thing I dug that I can remember. It's just

475
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: like like I need to figure this out because this

476
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: can never happen again. So, you know, I went away

477
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: and got help, and you know, by we were only

478
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: two or three weeks from season's end, and the season

479
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: ended and and our general manager, you know, was fired,

480
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: and so I just kind of once I got out

481
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: of treatment, I just I just kind of stayed at

482
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: home and they waited for the new general manager to

483
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: get hired, and then they made the the you know,

484
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: they made all the changes on the personnel staff, and

485
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: and the Bears were just absolutely unbelievable making sure I

486
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 4: was okay, making sure I had everything I needed, and

487
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 4: and for me. That was the point I decided, you know,

488
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: it was it was just time to step away and

489
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: just take a year off, make sure that I figure

490
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 4: this out and and get everything under control so when

491
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 4: I re entered the work world and get on with

492
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 4: my life, that I'm in a position where this this

493
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: just you know, won't happen again and I have just

494
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 4: a much better.

495
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: A foundation underneath me. So that was.

496
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 4: It was you know, heartbreaking obviously to see people get

497
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 4: let go, and it was you know, knowing that you know,

498
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: I had let a lot of people down. But as

499
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: far as timing goes, it was, it was it was

500
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: good timing for me to just kind of step away

501
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: and take some time away from work.

502
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: When did you feel like you because you're I feel

503
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: like you're very different this time, Like it's it's a

504
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: When did you feel like that change really took place?

505
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: You know, it.

506
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: Wasn't as quick as as.

507
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: I probably had hoped for. Really for me, last summer

508
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: was when I.

509
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: Really started to I feel like, get both components, you know,

510
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: as far as accepting things in my life that that

511
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: I can't change and control, and and and knowing how

512
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: to show up, you know, in my family situation that

513
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: really helped stabilize, you know, from a mental health standpoint,

514
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: and then from a sobriety standpoint, really understanding you know

515
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: that there's a there's a spiritual path, and there's a

516
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 4: service component too, to the whole you know, to the

517
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: program that I totally before and really felt started to

518
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: feel connected in a much different way last last summer,

519
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 4: to the point where it was like, I can't believe

520
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: I've waited, Like I can't believe it took me this

521
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: long to get to this point in my life. And

522
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: I don't know why it took as long as it did,

523
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: and and and you know how I got on, you know,

524
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: this path. But the one thing that gave me though,

525
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: is a real sense of purpose of man, I can

526
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: help a lot of people. Mental health brought me to

527
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: my knees where there was no way I could see

528
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: a path where I could live a serene, peaceful life.

529
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: Drug addiction brought me to my knees where there was

530
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: no way I could even envision like waking up and

531
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: living my life without the use of some kind of

532
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: substance to make me feel okay.

533
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Like I didn't think any of those things.

534
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: Were possible, and now I can sit here and tell

535
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: you that both those things are entirely possible if you

536
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: just reach out, ask for help, and do the work.

537
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: You know, there's two components of it. You got to

538
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: ask for help, and then you got to you got

539
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: to make sure you're doing your end of the bargain.

540
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: You know, I'm put in the work in every day

541
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: and that's what my life will be for the rest

542
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: of my life, is making sure I'm I'm fit spiritually

543
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: and and and fit mentally, mentally and physically.

544
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: And I can control that.

545
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: That's the beautiful thing of all this is that that

546
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: is the one thing I can control. I can't control

547
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: my family situation, you know, I can't control who's going

548
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: to hire me or not hire me going forward. But

549
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: I know how I can show up every day and

550
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: feel good and make sure that anyone struggling, whether it's

551
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: mental health or substance abuse, that I can I can

552
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: be a resource for them on not only.

553
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: What to do, but to show them that it does work.

554
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: And you can feel like a completely different person if

555
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: you ask for help and do the work.

556
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: There is a there's a real component there to the

557
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: and I know you're doing Analyst work or the NBC

558
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: affiliate in Chicago.

559
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I know you're doing some work with some NFL teams,

560
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: but there has to be.

561
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: At least a portion of for your anxiety or just

562
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: the reality that sharing it with me and open forum,

563
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: does that hurt your ability to get back into the

564
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: NFL even though when cleaning SOB, you're clearly good at

565
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: your job and you're experienced and like all of those things.

566
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you joining me. How do you process that?

567
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: How do you process that?

568
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Like you want to help people, You want to share

569
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: this so they understand like your mistakes, your successes, failures.

570
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you also want to get back

571
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: in the league. How you trusting?

572
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's obviously, like many things in my life,

573
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: something I've just had to come to complete acceptance with.

574
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: No only thing I can control is you know, how

575
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: I take care of myself and how I show up

576
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: every day.

577
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: Anyone that hires me.

578
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: Going forward, you know, obviously, you know they need to

579
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: know about my past and need to know about my history,

580
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: and I'm very open about that, and it's obviously scary,

581
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: you know, to think that I can finally be at

582
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: this point in my life where I could really help

583
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: an NFL team out, where I could really help you know,

584
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: any network that is looking for people to talk about football.

585
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: And at no point in my life I've ever felt

586
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: more free mentally and physically where I can contribute and

587
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: I might not get might not be able to, but

588
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: that's just that's that's just the reality of the situation.

589
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: And if that happens, you know, there'll be other areas

590
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: in my life where I can show up and you know,

591
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: move on and and you know it's I can't be

592
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: identified by just being a person who worked in football.

593
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: I would love the opportunity, you know, I think it

594
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: will happen, and I'll be able to.

595
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: Really be able to contribute and help out a team.

596
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: Going forward, the next right thing will happen for me,

597
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: and and maybe it is and and something and more

598
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: of a service you know, related job where it's whether

599
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: it's teaching or educating or or helping out people that

600
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: are struggling with similar issues as me.

601
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that. I'm totally okay with that.

602
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: My perspective would be being incredibly valuable to an NFL team,

603
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: not just because of football knowledge, but because you're a

604
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: real dude, with real issues that you really addressed, and

605
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: we all have.

606
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: Them be down.

607
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: Some become you addictions that can dramatically change life. Some

608
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: are just by leave below the surface that people do

609
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: a better job of trying, buying, trying different ways, you know,

610
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: to to kind of evolve out of.

611
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: So that'd be my perspective.

612
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: But again that's because I'm a fan of yours and

613
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: a friend of yours, and I see that only is positive.

614
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: I do know that there are people in this world

615
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: that you know, they won't trust now, just won't. You know,

616
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: they just think that ecatic and it is a life,

617
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: lifelong thing and they would prefer, you know, somebody.

618
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Who didn't didn't have that.

619
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: The problem is that are people that you think don't

620
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: have that that do and you just haven't learned about it,

621
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: and they haven't figured it out just yet.

622
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: What you said, I totally agree.

623
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 4: There's regardless of what I try to do professionally, there's

624
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: going to be people in that industry that just aren't

625
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: even going to give it, given it a thought, to

626
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: give me an opportunity because of my past. And you know,

627
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: I completely we know that that is the case, and

628
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: that's true, But I also know that there's people in

629
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: every industry that will be more open minded and as long.

630
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: The biggest thing for me is people need to see

631
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: me continue to live this way and establish the trust

632
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: factor with me that that I'm for real and what

633
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and that I'm passionate about not only my

634
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: own you know, health and well being, but passionate about

635
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: having an opportunity. Like I went through Harvard, I went

636
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: through three different NFL teams feeling like I was an

637
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 4: armhind behind my back, feeling like like this is like

638
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: thirty percent of myself. So I know I'm going to

639
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: be able to give one hundred percent of myself to

640
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: to whoever it is going forward and and whatever that is,

641
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 4: you know, is youet to be determined, but I'm confident

642
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: it's going to be. It's something that I'm going to

643
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: be able to not only contribute but also help out

644
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 4: a lot of people.

645
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: One professional, one personal. Let's at professional.

646
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: So you've been a part of two different draftsm drafted

647
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: quarterbacks of the Bears build the scene limited success, but

648
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: it feels likely they'll move on again new regime to

649
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 2: two very early first round picks and a quarterback heavy draft.

650
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: So again professional perspective, you're in that room, Drake may

651
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: feel safe. Caleb Williams looks like Mahomes, but they're and

652
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: again the same system by the way, for Kayleb Williams

653
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: as Mahomes, right exactly, but they're different people and the

654
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: sport is different. But again, you like you learn from

655
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: the past. So if it was you and they go, Josh,

656
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: how much you really think.

657
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Away with it?

658
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going with the guy that has the skill

659
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: set that's so unique and different, and I'm going to

660
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 6: trust that the things that on the tape that you

661
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Speaker 6: might be concerned.

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Speaker 3: With, you're going to be able to coach and develop.

663
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Speaker 4: So to me, Caleb just has this skill set that

664
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Speaker 4: you know, with the the amount of offscript playmaking that's

665
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Speaker 4: being featured in our league right now at the quarterback position,

666
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Speaker 4: I think he's the most unique guy in this draft

667
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 4: class and he'd be the player that I would select.

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Speaker 1: You know, is it an over correction because of the

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Speaker 1: Homes For me?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because I'm obviously talking about this

671
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: a lot and local media stuff that I'm doing, and

672
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: I think about that all of myself, Like you know,

673
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 4: am I am I so paranoid of my own myths.

674
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Speaker 3: On on Patrick and DeShawn.

675
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Speaker 4: And that is the area that I really missed on

676
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: that that I'm just being more safe now and going

677
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: that way. But you know, the more I watch both

678
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: those guys, I I don't feel like it's an over correction.

679
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: I feel like he's got this feel and instinct not

680
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: only as a passer Doug, but like his running ability.

681
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Speaker 3: That's what people talk about Mahomes all the time.

682
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: And he's not the most athletic quarterback, but he's the

683
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: best decision maker and has the best feel for when

684
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 4: to run and when to steal a first down with

685
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: his legs. And you see some of that with with

686
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Speaker 4: with Caleb. Not that Drake's not an unbelievable prospect in

687
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Speaker 4: his own right. I do agree with you, like, and

688
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: I've talked to some people in the media and that

689
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Speaker 4: that have told me here like I just want the

690
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Speaker 4: safe guy. Drake looks like an NFL quarterback. He feels like,

691
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: I just want the safe guy. And I tell him

692
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: all the time, I'm like, we wanted the safe guy too,

693
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: and he got aspired, So it's it'll be an interesting

694
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Speaker 4: decision for them. I do think they will take a

695
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Speaker 4: quarterback and and let Justin move on to another team.

696
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Speaker 3: And if I had to, if I had to bat

697
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Speaker 3: my money on it.

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Speaker 4: Right now, I think majority of the teams feel that

699
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Speaker 4: that Caleb's the number one guy.

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Speaker 2: You're you are in a new relationship, You are in

701
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: a healthy place personally. For somebody who is in a

702
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Speaker 2: relationship with somebody who has anxiety or even to the

703
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Speaker 2: level of having an addiction, Like from the other side,

704
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Speaker 2: what about your current relationship, how how do you handle

705
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Speaker 2: that if you're the spouse, the girlfriend, the boyfriend, the

706
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Speaker 2: significant other of somebody who's going through things.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. And I think anyone that.

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Speaker 4: Is in a relationship with someone who struggles with the

709
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: mental health situation or or substance abuse, they have to

710
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: do their work as well, and they have to put

711
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: in a lot of work if they're going to be

712
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Speaker 4: willing to make the relationship work and really understand that,

713
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Speaker 4: they need to be able to show up and support,

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Speaker 4: you know, their partner. But they're not going to be

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Speaker 4: able to control and fix it.

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Speaker 3: You know they're not.

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Speaker 4: You know, if your partner's got a major depression issue

718
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: or a major drinking habit. There's nothing you can do

719
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Speaker 4: to make it better. There's nothing you can do to

720
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Speaker 4: make them to drink less or to worry more. You

721
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: just have to show up, be love and supporting, and

722
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Speaker 4: know that your partner has to be the one that

723
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Speaker 4: has to want to change and get better and do

724
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Speaker 4: the work. And I am extremely fortunate that I'm in

725
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Speaker 4: a relationship with a woman who is a life coach

726
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Speaker 4: professionally and has taught me more personally in these last

727
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 4: two years. It's taught me as much as I've learned,

728
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: you know, with my personal doctors and therapists and and

729
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: and and meetings and so forth. So I'm very fortunate

730
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: that she has a very good understanding of both situations.

731
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Speaker 4: She knows it's on me to make sure I'm doing

732
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Speaker 4: the work. If she feels that I'm slipping in any way,

733
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Speaker 4: she doesn't overreact, she doesn't try to correct, she makes

734
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Speaker 4: sure that I'm aware of it, and and she knows

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Speaker 4: that I'm the one that has to do my part

736
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Speaker 4: to not only make sure that I'm doing okay for myself,

737
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Speaker 4: but that I can show up for her and her

738
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Speaker 4: needs as well. So it's been a blessing just being

739
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Speaker 4: in meeting the person that I met at the time

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Speaker 4: I met her, very serendipitous, very fortunate.

741
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Speaker 3: I couldn't be.

742
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Speaker 4: More grateful for, you know, this relationship that I'm currently

743
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: the end. And like I said, I can't, I don't

744
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 4: want to go on too much about it, but I

745
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: feel like I got really lucky.

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Speaker 1: Christmas said, hard time, good time. What's it like for

747
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Speaker 1: you this season?

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Speaker 4: You know, you know we, you know we it all

749
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: comes back to my dad and what's going on at home.

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Speaker 4: You know, my brother, you know, we we were thick

751
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 4: as thieves and we did everything together. You know, we

752
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: would you know, my memory, Doug, and I think you'll

753
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: appreciate this is, you know, we would play our basketball

754
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: game at the hy you know, somebody would VHS tape it.

755
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: We'd come home. The first thing we would do is

756
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: throw it in and then we would chart our points,

757
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: assists and rebounds like that was us. That's what we

758
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 4: did and everything. And then we went in two completely

759
00:43:52,400 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: opposite directions, which has been you know, extremely painful part

760
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: of my life and still to this day currently is

761
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: he's struggled with addiction of his own. You know, he's

762
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Speaker 4: he's got major mental health issues. He's currently sitting in jail,

763
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Speaker 4: and you know, the future doesn't look very bright and

764
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Speaker 4: he's he's you know, put a major strain on our

765
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Speaker 4: family and my relationship with wanting to be at home

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Speaker 4: and wanting to be with my dad, and my dad

767
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Speaker 4: at seventy three years old, you know, is you know,

768
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Speaker 4: he's got dementia and the early stages of it and

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Speaker 4: isn't moving around as well. So there's this want for

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Speaker 4: me to be there more and more for him, But

771
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Speaker 4: it's very hard for me to be there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to like, it's very hard.

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Speaker 4: For me to walk into my childhood home and even

774
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: to sit in there because of all the pain and

775
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: sadness that still sits in the house. And that's been

776
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: a huge part of this whole story, figuring out how

777
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: to show up for my dad and do what I can.

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Speaker 4: My oldest half brother, Mike I talked about the very beginning,

779
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: who's the firefighter in Beechwood, Ohio outside of Cleveland, has

780
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Speaker 4: really stepped up and and and been a major help

781
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: to be around my dad more as well, especially when

782
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Speaker 4: my brother's been sitting in jail for the last several months.

783
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Speaker 4: So it's hard I'm not gonna lie like you know,

784
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: any anything that involves family when it comes to holidays, Thanksgiving.

785
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: You know that when I know, like this is a

786
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: huge time where families are getting together, and I know

787
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Speaker 4: what's going on in my personal family situation right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you can hear it in my voice.

789
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 3: It's it's it's painful and sad, but I am grateful

790
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: that I can show up now.

791
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: In a way that I couldn't show up when I

792
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 4: was abusing drugs, and and I can be there and

793
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 4: talk to my dad every single day on the phone

794
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 4: and make sure he needs anything whenever he needs anything.

795
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: And I was just home, you know, last week and

796
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: got to see him. So it's it's a tough time

797
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: and I just got to make sure that I do

798
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: what I need to do to be able to show

799
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Speaker 4: up for my dad when when he needs me.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I hope you understand how proud I am to

801
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: call your friend because a lot of the parts of

802
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: this story I knew some of, not all of, And

803
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: then the more I learned, the more I'm just honored

804
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: to know you.

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00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: It's reality to you because so many of us have problems.

806
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Myself included, but to push through, to fight it, to

807
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: do the work is really honorable. And then to express

808
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: the people that you're doing the work, and that's yet

809
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: you're not perfect, and all that you've gone through, all

810
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: that you felt is I mean, it's the stuff of

811
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: real men, you know.

812
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: So I hope you understand.

813
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: From my heart to yours, I just want to express

814
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: a ton of love and gratitude for our friendship, but

815
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: also respect for.

816
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: Who you are, what you've been through, what you've accomplished.

817
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: And I think anybody knows, you know, there's there's definitely

818
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: going to be a chapter three. Yeah, so, and I

819
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: think you know, this is a good way to get

820
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Speaker 2: into the new year, you know, where get it all

821
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: out and we get ready and kick ass. Knowing that,

822
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: I think I think it's hey, look man, we there

823
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: are triggers in all of our lives for things and

824
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: and finding ways to operate and ad a friend. And

825
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: you say the social jiu jitsu, but I think it's

826
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: like personal jiu jitsu, right, like using things against you

827
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: to become your strength. And I think it's a fascinating way,

828
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: you know, to look at life. But what you're fighting

829
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: through is tougher than any football game, and I actually

830
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: think it makes you better at your job what eventually

831
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: you get your next job.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

833
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: And so your friendship means a ton to me, and

834
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: the opportunities you've given me this fall to talk sports

835
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 4: and talk ball with you on Thursdays is something I'll

836
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: forever be grateful for.

837
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: And even this opportunity here to share my story, I'm great.

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00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I'll just be honest with you. I have

839
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: lots of people that are friends much they want to

840
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: come on a radio show all the time. They're just

841
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: not good at what they do. So, yes, it's because

842
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: of our friendship, but it's also because I kind of

843
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: think you're awesome at football and expressing it and helping

844
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: me understand it.

845
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: And so that's where that one comes from.

846
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: That one's not as much out of friendship as you think.

847
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: It's more a I just want to soak up all

848
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: that knowledge.

849
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.

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00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: All right, brother, will listen.

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00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you're in a good relationship, and thanks

852
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: so much for joining me.

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00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: Thanks, I appreciate you, all right.

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Speaker 2: Myn Thanks to Josh Lucas, what an interesting life and

855
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: I'm Josh, will join us anytime. Kind of update this

856
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: on where he stands with with everything, you know, with

857
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: handling his addictions, with his life with football, and with

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Speaker 2: what's next. And I hope you enjoyed it. I really

859
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: appreciate Josh joining us, and of course how a lout

860
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: of basketball talk at the start. Remember Doug Gotlieb show

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Speaker 2: airs daily three to five Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Twelve too specific.

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Speaker 2: You also can get an hour podcast which is totally

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Speaker 2: unfiltered about all sports.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Just type in Doug Gottlieb, where have we

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Speaker 1: got this podcast? You can probably get that one as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug godlie This is all all