1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to you stuff you should 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: know from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is always 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: this Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and he's here because he 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: decided to be here and he met that goal. You're 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: a successful human being, Chuck. I wake up every day 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: and I set goals for myself. Do you like, just 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: get out of bed, Get out of bed, take that 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: shower takes from Josh. Good again, clean those armpits, Chuck. Done, 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: good going, Chuck. You're a real go getter. Uh. Yes, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I have a bit of an intro. Okay, slightly anecdotal. 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily newsy. Maybe this time last year it 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: was Newsy. But um, Chuck, you heard of the occupy movement? 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, if you go down West Peachtree, you'll 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: see like Babe fourteen stouthearted Peel's still there. Man. Yeah, 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: hats off to him. Um, But the the whole occupied 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: movement one of the big criticisms of it that I remember, 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: and I think it's still floated pretty frequently because I 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: was just discussing this with my aunt and Umi, right, 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: and my aunts and old Lefty and um, she has 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: like very pronounced ideas about the occupy movement, what a 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: great thing it is and all that, right, Um and 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: she she was saying, we were talking about whether or 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: not a successful and one of the criticisms of the 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: occupy movements that they didn't have any goals. They were 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: goalless and so how could you ever think about being 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: successful if there's no goals? Right, So my aunt was saying, well, no, 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: they were successful in like spreading awareness that there's like 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: a plutocracy and you know, there's this one percent and 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: they're in charge. So they were successful like that. They 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't need a goal. And that's kind of part of 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: the point. You We made the point that um we 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: the Arab spring that it was based on all had goals. 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: They had a stated goal and mostly it was getting 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: this one person out of power. So there was a 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: measure of success or failure. And most of the time 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: it was a success, right, or at least there was 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: an ongoing, continued goal. So when I said that, though, 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: when I was like, well, you know, they didn't have 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: any goals, I feel like such a shmell, like just 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: a corporate like dude, It's like, well, they didn't have 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: any goals, so they failed at it. And I'm curious, Like, 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we in this country are very much 45 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: obsessed with goals and we are um, we equate success 46 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: with goals, reaching your goals and not just here. No, 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: but it seems like the West, the West. Okay, um, 48 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I think we should explore that. Okay, without any research whatsoever, 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: let's just start talking right now. Well, I was, I was. 50 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: It was interesting reading in this research because I was. 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: I was kind of all over the place, Like part 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: of me was like, because we're gonna talk about like 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: sometimes goals are great, sometimes there's a downside to them, 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: and here's sometimes you can achieve them, sometimes you won't. Um. 55 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: I was vacillating all over the place with it. Emotionally, 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: it was I was on a roller coaster. I was like, Man, 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: goals aren't that great to set? Sometimes you should just 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: be mindful and prideful about doing great. No, you can't 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: be prideful if you're a religious type, because probably it 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: is a sin. He wants that to do with the 61 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: goals though, well, you're saying you have to be prideful. 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: You can't be prideful. You're hands strong if you're religious. 63 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Right out of the gate, Okay, I'm talking about myself. Uh, 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: And then other parts of me said, no, you know, 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: goals are great, and so I think where I landed 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: was sometimes goals are great. Sometimes there they shouldn't be around. Yeah. 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I guess that it probably is context specific and individual 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: specific and all. Um. But at the same time, I 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: think part of the problem is, like with this obsession, 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: is that they're we try to figure out how to 71 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: streamline things, whether it's achieving goals or whatever, and so 72 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we try to shove a one size fits all things 73 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: down people's throats. And in this case with goals, it's 74 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: set goals and achieve them or be unsuccessful. Yeah. And 75 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: there's also sort of two parts to this which will 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: be intermingled, which is um, personal goals and like corporate 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: type goals. And it's interesting if you look up goals 78 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: on the internet, Um, you gotta go a long way 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: to get past financial advice. Almost everything is like financial goals. 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Financial goals. If you're twenty, you can think about retirement, yeah, 81 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that, or you run into that guy who's 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: like go and for those of you who are like 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: blinking in disbelief, Yes, we're talking about goals, g O 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: A L S. And let's define what we're talking about. 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Everyone has an idea of goals, but we don't want 86 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: it to get confused with um something like uh um drive, ambition, 87 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: um intention. So say, Chuck, you are you're like, I 88 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: want to I want to be a guitar player. That's 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: an intention, right, Yeah, I want to be a good 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: guitar player. Saying a good guitar player would be a goal. 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: That wouldn't I guess, But you want to play guitar. Okay, 92 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: we'll just say that's an intention saying I want to 93 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: be you know, am, I want to be able. I 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: want to be a performing quality guitar player within the 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: next six months. That's a goal, right, that's a stated goal. 96 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Or I want to learn the solo for carry on 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: my wayward Son by next Thursday night. You better man, 98 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: you've got that show my kansascover band. You've been You've 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: been talking a lot of smack. You better be able 100 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: to deliver. Uh. My kansascover band is actually called wayward Son. 101 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every Kansas cover band is called wayward son. Yeah, 102 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: we have a club. Uh so where should we start? 103 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: Should we start with the downside of goals? And then 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: some of the more positives and like how to achieve 105 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: the merder? Let's talk about goals and how to achieve them? 106 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: There are this is There's been a tremendous amount of 107 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: study since the seventies and eighties, especially in um organizational psychology. 108 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: The field of psychology is to blame for a goal obsession. 109 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people say, yeah, and especially 110 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, not just starting there, but 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: that was when people were way into that kind of thing. Yeah. Um, 112 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: my family has this book, you know, the family bookshelf 113 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: from like stuff like that, like what color is your parachute? Um, 114 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: there's one that I still have never I've never been 115 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: brave enough to crack it open because I don't want 116 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: to like accidentally just get the snippet of information and 117 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: I'm ruined as a creative person. But it's called, um, 118 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: becoming a more creative person. You could tell it's like 119 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: a goal oriented self help book to become more creative? 120 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Is this at your dad's house? Yeah, it's that my house. 121 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Now I've adopted it. Maybe it's like it's one of 122 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: those have never opened it up. So, um, what I 123 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: bring up psychology because there's a lot there's been a 124 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: decent amount of study that under certain circumstances, you know, goals, 125 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: setting goals can be helpful. Right. The problem is if 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: you go to the internet or you get one of 127 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: those self help books, or you start listening to self 128 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: help gurus, you're gonna get um a lot of information 129 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: and not all of it is good. Um. But of 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: course all you can do is sort of study and 131 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: ask questions on people who do reach their goals. Uh. 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: So it's kind of hard to determine what is good advice. 133 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: But um, I thought this one article in particular was 134 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: pretty good because they listened out ten things, only about 135 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: half of which were good advice. But you will find 136 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: these ten things listed commonly and they are should we 137 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: just go through them? Uh? Number one step by step plan. 138 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Make a step by step plan to motivate yourself by 139 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: focusing on someone else who has achieved a similar goal, 140 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Like look at Josh with smoking and he lost a 141 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: lot of weight, and think about me all the time 142 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: all the time. Drive yourself mad. Number three, tell other 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: people about your goal. You hear that a lot, so 144 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: you're sort of publicly accountable. Um. Think about bad things 145 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: that will happen if you do not achieve the goal. 146 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that's negative recently, Okay, go ahead. Number five. 147 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Talk about the good things that happened if you do 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: achieve the goal. UM Number six. Suppress unhelpful or negative 149 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: thoughts about your goal. Number seven. Reward yourself for making progress. 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Number eight. Rely on will power. Number nine record your progress. 151 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Number ten. Fantasize or visualize how great your life is 152 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: going to be when you achieve that goal. So those 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: are ten that probably the top ten techniques, according to 154 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: a psychologist named Richard Wiseman, who wrote a book I 155 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: believe in two thousand ten called fifty nine seconds about 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: goal setting and goal achievement. Right, those are the top 157 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: ten techniques cold from thousands of people. Do you want 158 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: to give him the big surprise? The big twist to 159 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: that list? That list has a twist to it, Chuck had. 160 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: Half of them are proven to make goal achievement harder. 161 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. The the even numbered ones were ones 162 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: that people who try those techniques usually don't succeed it 163 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: at meeting their goals. The odd number ones were proven 164 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: techniques that UM that Wiseman found, uh, we're commonly used 165 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: by people who set a goal and met it. And sadly, 166 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: in his study of the thousands of participants who had 167 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: like stated goals like quitting smoking, losing x amount of weight, 168 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: whatever it was, UM, only ten percent of them met 169 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: their goals. But of those ten percent, those odd numbered 170 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: techniques were the ones that that were that proved successful. Right. 171 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: And he gives on to point out that you can't 172 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: prove that that caused It's one of those causation things. 173 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: Correlated does not prove causations, right, So quickly again the 174 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: odd number ones, these are ones that would help you 175 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: out make the step by step plan um. And there's 176 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of articles on being concrete with your goals. Yeah, 177 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: and also it breaks them down into um sub goals 178 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: or something smaller in bite size. So like this big 179 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: amorphous goal like becoming a good guitar player in six 180 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: months becomes you know, I don't know anything about guitars, 181 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: but learning this chord today and then this and when 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: you put it all together and you've been keeping track 183 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: and writing it down, it's it's it's controllable. Your control 184 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: freak for doing this in the first place, and now 185 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: you are able to graphically display that habit. That's right. Uh, 186 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: so make the plan. Tell other people about your goal. 187 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: They say that's a good thing to do. Um, think 188 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: about the good things that will happen. But they say 189 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: to draw the line at like fantasyland, right, don't do that. No, 190 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: Like when once you find yourself bathing in a lake 191 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: of chocolate, you've gone too far. And also, I want 192 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: to say, um, telling other people about your goal. You know, 193 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: there's like whole website set up like publicly shame you 194 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: to keep you on track when you're sending when you're 195 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: doing a goal. There's this guy I wish you could 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: remember his name. He did. He He came up with 197 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: basically the Twitter diet, where you tweet to your followers Okay, 198 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, and then every day you weigh 199 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: yourself and you tweet the results, and then if you've 200 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: gained a little weight, everybody on you and calls you 201 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: a loser or whatever. Keeps you on your on on track, 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: And apparently it's been proven to work. There's other ones 203 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: where you you log in and you track your progress 204 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: and as long as you're not a liar, it shows 205 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: that it keeps you on track. Um for things like 206 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: quinning smoke or something like that. If you go and 207 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: say I had a cigarette today or whatever, this thing 208 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: will actually deduct a certain amount from your bank account 209 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: that's connected to it to pay paler and they just 210 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: take your money, like say, every time I have a cigarette, 211 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I have to pay twenty bucks. And when you go 212 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: on and and keep track, this thing just takes your 213 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: money out of your account and it's been shown to work. 214 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: And that interesting because people like money exactly. I love money, 215 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: you know. I've thought about declaring something like on a 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: weight loss plan to like the stuff you should know army, 217 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: because that's a good They keep you honest for sure. Well, 218 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: but they're too supportive on most people will be like, 219 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: oh it's okay, Chuck, you had any layer, like, don't 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: worry about it, we still love you. It's like, no 221 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: one would hold my feet to the buyer. You think 222 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, you do pose a pretty good is I 223 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: think you might be right. I mean people would be 224 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: very encouraging, but I think they would like you know, 225 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: I see, I see what you mean you need some 226 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: sort of um huh, it's too bad that we don't 227 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: have like, um, I don't know, like a fitness podcast 228 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. Those people really hold you to it, dude, 229 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: give a shot. Oh, I don't know, give it. Give 230 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: it a shot, America, Chuck. Chuck is going to need 231 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: his feet held to the fire, and you're gonna do 232 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: it well. On that note, though, what I'm doing now 233 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: is I found that a poundage goal. It's just in 234 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: getting on that scale is no good. So I'm working 235 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: on like literally weekly in daily goals, Like I've got 236 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: my little calendar up on my refrigerator and my little 237 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: marker next to it, and I mark publicly in my 238 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: household if I went to the gym that day, and 239 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: the goal each week is, you know, four times a week, 240 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: good for you, and the week said I don't go 241 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: four times, it's I'm sitting there looking at it, and 242 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: it's shaming. I think you mean and I are going 243 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: to go in together and get Emily a riding crop 244 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: to smack your thighs with. Every time you you don't get, 245 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: you don't reach your daily goal. Yeah, the poundage goal 246 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: just I had someone tell me He's like, don't get 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: on a scale, just like, well, if you want a 248 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: way to obsess, like there, you have it right there. 249 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: But it also it works for some people. And exactly 250 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: we're coming around right here, like if that makes sense 251 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: to you and you have, then do that. But it 252 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: works for some people. For other people it's just a 253 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: little too much, okay, So quickly the remaining odd things 254 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: that should help you reward your self for making progress, um. 255 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean if you're dieting, I'm trying to 256 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: lose weight. You reward yourself with like the hot fudge 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: Sunday necessarily um, and then record your progress. And that 258 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: all ties into the accountability and writing stuff down instead 259 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: of just visualizing and thinking about things. They say to 260 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: be really concrete, like write it down, look at it, 261 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: make it physical and real, right, And that's why they 262 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: think that goals work. When they work, is they take 263 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: things out of the subjective and put them into the objective. 264 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: So um. The there was a study from the seventies 265 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Bandur and Simon, And I can't remember Bandura's name, but 266 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: his name is really familiar to me. He came up 267 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 1: with something else. I guess it was habit formation. But um, 268 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: they they figured out that. I guess they took a 269 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: bunch of severely obese people and divided them into so 270 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the control group was told to just do their best 271 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: at losing weight. The other group, um, we're told, like, 272 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you need to lose x number pounds by this weekend, 273 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: x number pounds by this week. There they set goals, 274 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and um they lost something like twice, you know, twice 275 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: as much. The people who said the goals lost twice 276 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: as much of the people who were just told to 277 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: do their best. And I think it's probably because it's 278 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: just saying I have something to focus on, to pay attention, 279 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: to quantify my progress, rather than you know, what is 280 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: doing your best means? Well, there's ambiguity there because someone 281 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: might said, well I did my best, and my best 282 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: just isn't good enough. Well we'll get to that in 283 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's that's absolutely correct. And then 284 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: not not just with weight loss, I mean like people 285 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: during this whole goal obsessed seventies and eighties, Um, there 286 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: there were studies of how setting goals could reduce like 287 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: accidents in the workplace, um, how they could reduce sick days. 288 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Like it became an obsession with companies, Yeah, to basically 289 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: say like, hey, everybody set a goal and we're going 290 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: to make a bunch of money. Um. And there's there's 291 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: also this thing called stretch goals. I've never heard of 292 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: that I had neither, and I was like that smacks 293 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: of corporate buzz speak. You're gonna look that up and 294 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: hanging fruit. It was. Yeah, stretch goals was coined by 295 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the legendary um G E CEO Jack Welch, and he 296 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: basically said, like, a stretch goal is something that you 297 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,239 Speaker 1: some virtually unattainable goal that you give to your employees 298 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: to shake them out of their out of their ruts basically, 299 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: which isn't great people are finding out no companies. At 300 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: least it does bring us to a two question though, Chuck, Like, 301 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: this whole the whole point of what we're talking about 302 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: is there is why don't why can't we just achieve 303 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: our goals when we're the only obstacle. Well, Um, there's 304 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: been a little research done on the brain, and research 305 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: does show that the brain tries to protect you from 306 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: change really, um, like anything that's scary or fearful, um, 307 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: which could be any kind of change in your patterns 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: in your daily habits is threatening basically, but not only that. 309 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Like even remember when we were talking about chunking and 310 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: habit formation on the video podcast. Yeah, same thing. The 311 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: brain is looking for a way to streamline a process 312 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: so that it can use up the least amount of 313 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: energy possible in carrying out something. And the way to 314 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: do that is just get you to do the same 315 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: thing over and over again. Habit formation. So our brains 316 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: are naturally inclined, we think at this point in the 317 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: this this point in neuroscience to finding the path of 318 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: least resistance in carrying out something. So that's habit formation. 319 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: Aubrey Daniels has a book called oops Uh Thirteen Management 320 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: practices that Waste time and money, and he argues that 321 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: the stretch goals are not good for your company because, 322 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: um he's his sided studies that when people and departments 323 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: failed to reach their goals, then there's a performance decline afterward. 324 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: So you set up these almost unattainable goals and it's 325 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: sort of a big bummer for everyone when you don't 326 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: reach them. Yeah, especially if they've they've been really really 327 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: working hard to achieve them. I imagine there's like an 328 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: aftermath where you're just like, well, what's the point in 329 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: any of this? If sure, we're gonna work our tails 330 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: off and still fail. Well, And that's one of the 331 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: points is that with goals, it's sort of looked at 332 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: as a past failed thing you could. I mean, I 333 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: guess some some managers are better at saying, well, we 334 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: we got towards our goal, and that's really great, But 335 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: most of the time it's we didn't reach our goal, 336 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: so we failed, right, and that's Um. That's an inherent 337 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: problem with goals, is what we were talking about with 338 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: subjectivity and objectivity, where just do your best or raise 339 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars in six months? Sure, right, Um. 340 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: The good thing about goals is that they take away 341 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: that subjectivity, but at the same time, like you were saying, 342 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: they set you up for the measure of success is perfection, 343 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: and um, that can be a problem for losers. Adam 344 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: Glinski is a professor at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management, 345 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: and he is a co author of a book called 346 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: Goals Gone Wild. Very clever, but he has a quote 347 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: in here I thought was really relevant, and he says 348 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: that goal setting has been treated like an over the 349 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: counter medication when it should really be treated with more 350 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: care as a prescription strength of medication. Yeah, and I 351 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: think you're too willy nilly with it right. Well, yeah, 352 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: it's it seems like a way to solve a big 353 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: problem all at once. And there is a dude named 354 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: sim Uh sikin At Duke who did a study of 355 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: companies that do stretch goals, and a stretch goal, UM 356 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: and a way to quantify it says to uh, to 357 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: be like the number eleven in flight magazine in the country, 358 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: and to say, Uh, you're you're gonna be number one 359 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: in two quarters. We're gonna be the number one in 360 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: flight magazine in the country two quarters. Yeah, that's a 361 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: that's a huge stretch goal. And they found sim Sitkin, 362 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: who's got one of the better business school professor's names 363 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: of all time. UM found that companies that engage in 364 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: stretch goals typically are already desperate and embattled and um, 365 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: if they fail at the stretch goal, they're in big trouble. 366 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Like it's a last ditch thing, and it's a lot 367 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: to ask of your employees, and it's kind of unfair. 368 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: Rather than saying, okay, you know what's wrong with our 369 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: organization that led us to this point? How else can 370 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: how can we do this incrementally? It's kind of like 371 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: a hail Mary passes a stretch goal. Uh. Interestingly too, 372 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: they've also found out that UM setting goals that PETE 373 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: will don't meet lead people to unethical behavior, like when 374 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: they're tasked to keep track of their own goals and 375 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: report they will lie UM when they don't reach their goals. Yeah, 376 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: just to say they have reached that you know, ethereal goal. 377 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: But it's also you're asking somebody in as many words 378 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: and not so many words, did you are you a success? 379 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: Or are you a failure? When you're saying did you 380 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: reach your goal or not? And UM. The other the 381 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: other aspect of UM unethical behavior related to goal setting 382 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: is this UM the idea that when you focus on 383 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: a goal, it's your it's easier to compromise your everyday 384 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: morality to achieve that goal. And apparently like that's that's 385 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: a that's a possible outcome of of goal setting is 386 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: that people just start kind of cutting corners and cheating 387 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: and writing whatever they need to to achieve that goal. 388 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Slash be successful well or do weird and dangerous things 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: like my father who like ate soup every day for 390 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: like a year and that's it, like a bowl of 391 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: soup and wore like one of those plastic suits around 392 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: and then like July heat in Atlanta, or you know, 393 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: I just won't eat anymore. Or although he I think 394 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: he ate like cabbage soup for literally like six or 395 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: eight months straight and it's it's not like it's not healthy. 396 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: You know. That's a great example. Is something he otherwise 397 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done. That's kind of dangerous. Um it's also 398 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: uh so it's dangerous. It can lead to unethical behavior. 399 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: Another downside that people have suggested about goals is that, um, 400 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: they they can keep you from learning. Yeah, you're so 401 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: focused on this goal number. And then you're combined with 402 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: the fact that your brain is in the habit formation, 403 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: so it's trying to figure out the easiest way to 404 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: do this one thing that you end up with tunnel 405 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: vision and you possibly miss all sorts of other opportunities 406 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: or ways of learning to do this thing better. They 407 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: may have nothing to do with the goal, but way 408 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: to achieve that goal because you you have blinders on 409 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: goal setting off in is related to blinders like keep 410 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: your eyes on the prize. Yeah, and we're kind of 411 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: slipping here in and out of um organizational goals and 412 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: personal goals. Um, but they do they do share some 413 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: common downsides. Yeah. What I liked in this research was 414 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: towards the end of it where uh, some more forward 415 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: thinking companies are concentrating less on uh a number goal 416 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: that everyone has to meet and more on what's called mindfulness, UM, 417 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: being in the moment, being present, rather than focusing on 418 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: the future. So this part stunk of positive psychology to me. Yeah, 419 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: but I kind of like it. I think mindfulness and 420 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: uh personal like your goal for me, Like I don't 421 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: set goals like with the podcast, other than doing all 422 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: some job like I don't, I don't want. We don't 423 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: have no wonder we've been lagging lately in the ratings, Chuck, 424 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: Like the ratings are nice, but you and I don't 425 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: sit down and say like we want to be number 426 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: five this week or we want this many downloads. It's 427 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: more like you wake up and you just like, I 428 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: want to do a great job today and be mindful 429 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: and in the moment of that, And I know that's 430 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: all hippie dippy but it's hippie talking. Um. Okay, So 431 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: for those of you who do want to keep your 432 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: eye on the ball and you do carry out goals 433 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: and you set goals, right, what what are in addition 434 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: to those you know, um steps you just gave to 435 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: the setting goals. One of the things that they have 436 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: to overcome, it feels like, is a procrastination. I thought 437 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: this was interesting. Yeah, this is a really good interjection 438 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: here was Um. One of the things that keeps you 439 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: from achieving a goal, um is just putting off taking 440 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: it up right, and that whole like journey of a 441 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: thousand miles begins with one step kind of thing. If 442 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: that's not working, he tried the tree falling in the 443 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: woods thing. No, Buddhist like, Um, yeah, are are working? Um. 444 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: You should hear about this effect, the Zigarnic effect Yea 445 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: or ziger Nick. This was named for a Russian psychologist, 446 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: Blooma ziger Nick. Although I said that like she was German, 447 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't do a good Russian. At least you didn't 448 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: do a British accent for that. Yeah. Thanks. Um. She 449 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: noticed something while she was eating at a restaurant in Vienna. Reportedly, 450 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: she saw and I'm not quite sure I understand how 451 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: it initially dawned on her, but she saw that waiters 452 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: only seemed to remember orders which were in process of 453 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: being served. Once we were completed, they forgot about them. Yeah. 454 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: Like if if you went up to a waiter, uh, 455 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: after they took the order and was waiting on another 456 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: table and asked them about the order they just took, 457 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: they could repeat it to you. But after they brought 458 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the food out and maybe the show was made, if 459 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you asked the waiter what that order was, they would 460 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: have no idea. Or they came back and they were like, 461 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: how's your steak, and you're like, I had the chicken, yeah, 462 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: and they go commit. So she did a little studying 463 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: on this and some other people, uh. And this was 464 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties, and then later on Kenneth McGraw 465 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: um sixty years later did some studies on the Zigern effect, 466 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: basically asking people to do puzzles and string beads together 467 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: and do certain tasks, and then they would interrupt them 468 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: sometimes and then quiz them afterward on what they remember doing. 469 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: And I think more people remembered who had been interrupted 470 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: than who had completed the tasks and yes, so that's significant, 471 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: equally significant, And that Kenneth McGraw study was that, UM, 472 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: something like of the people who were interrupted in the 473 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: task and told that they were done, they didn't have 474 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: to complete it, continued to complete it anyway. That would 475 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: be yes. That would drive me nuts. If I like, 476 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: if they gave me a puzzle to do and they're 477 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: like ten pieces of left and he said now get 478 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: on out of here, I would freak out. I would 479 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: obsess about that the rest of the day, so and 480 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: then forget about it the whole The whole point of 481 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: this is that we have some sort of drive to 482 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: complete a task once we've started it. So the key 483 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: to overcoming procrastination, as it relates to the zigger neck 484 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: effect UM, is to just dive in somewhere, anywhere, anything, 485 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: it depending on And they've found and follow up studies 486 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: UM that if this, if the goal is just too lofty, 487 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: or if you really couldn't care less about the goal, UM, 488 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: the ziggerneck effect is likely to not have that much 489 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: of an effect. But if you do, you know, you're 490 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: you're taking an order for money and you need to 491 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: remember it, UM, and you're interrupted, you're going to remember 492 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: this right, um To get around procrastination, you um just 493 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: dive in and start. And it sounds like a cop 494 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: out to say the trick did not procrastinating, it's just 495 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to start, but it's true. And they point out that 496 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people can be frozen and and I 497 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: was sort of like this with my backyard when we 498 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: moved into my house. It was like it looked like 499 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: a junkyard, like a barren dirt junkyard. And it was 500 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: literally one of those things where I walked back when 501 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: we first moved in and I was just like, where 502 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: do I start. I was paralyzed. I was like, I 503 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. And then you pulled that 504 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: first weed and within two hours you had a brand 505 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: new backyard. Well that's the point, though, is start small 506 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, just let me do 507 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: this one thing, and as long as you get that 508 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: ball rolling, chances are you will continue little by little 509 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: and eventually look back and be like, wow, I've actually 510 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: gotten a lot done in the past six years. And 511 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: apparently it doesn't even have to be um at. You 512 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: don't even have to start at the beginning, Like you 513 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: didn't have to start at this specific corner you could 514 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: walked in the middle and started messing with whatever. Um. 515 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: So the yeah, there's some traps we talked earlier about, um, 516 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: the techniques that don't work. Apparently, some techniques not only 517 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: don't don't help you achieve your goals, they actually are detrimental. 518 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: They're deletrious to your achieving your goals. I'm sorry, they're 519 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: detrious to you achieving your goals. Um. So, for example, 520 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: if you make a goal way too specific, um, you 521 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: you might get stuck on that one aspect of it 522 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: rather and forget the overall part. So, um, let's say 523 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to be a better guitar player, and that 524 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: was your overall goal, but your goal was to be 525 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: able to play carry on my wayward son, and you 526 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: focus on, you focus on it's just not working. It's 527 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: just not working. Perhaps you just wasted a bunch of 528 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: time um working on uh Stairway to Heaven, um that 529 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: you would have mastered very quickly and gained confidence from 530 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and then exp board, and rather you're just facing frustration 531 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: after frustration. You also don't want to have too many 532 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: goals at once because then you're just that's just pine 533 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: the sky stuff. Uh. And then you also don't want 534 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: your goals to be too terribly short term. Okay, So 535 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: like you want to be a better guitar player, right, 536 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Why not be playing sold out arenas eventually? 537 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that an even better goal loser? It is? Okay? 538 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Or actually a good example of that is with my 539 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: little plan now with the wait thing, like the weekly thing, 540 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: there is an overarching two month and four month goal, 541 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: so it's sort of that sort of lines up with that, 542 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: like it's not just week to week. It's week to 543 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: week with a two month and a four month in mind, 544 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: but not just two months and four months. Like I 545 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: have to break down. I can't set a goal for 546 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: a year out. I've got to break it down. But 547 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: I wonder, um if if you set a goal for 548 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: two months or three months, yeah, um, and it was 549 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: to like lose x amount of weight or go to 550 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: the gym x number of times or whatever, But then 551 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: you set it, after you set those goals, a larger 552 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: overarching goal to be you know, to have like some 553 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: better get better, better cholesterol score a year from now 554 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: or something like that. Would that work or would it 555 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: set you personally? Would it set you back in your 556 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: two shorter term goals, if you then made a longer 557 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: term goal after this the shorter ones were made. U 558 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: So like if I met the two months in the 559 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: four months, if I made one for like a year 560 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: after that, yeah, or you didn't even meet him. You 561 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: were just like in the midst of them. You're started 562 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: to have them kind of like under control, and you're like, Okay, 563 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: I might actually meet these. I'm I'm in the thick 564 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: of them. Why not just maybe set a longer term goal. 565 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I think that would work, which goes fits in the 566 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: model of achieving goals can gain gain you confidence? Well, 567 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: I just got my degree in organizational psychology. Just now, 568 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: you watched to happen. Very nice, tricky son of a 569 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: you know what, let's see what else, chuck. Uh, Well, 570 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: I know that. Um, people talk about the younger generation 571 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: people in there like twenties and early thirties or h 572 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: actually a little more goal goal oriented now then maybe 573 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: perhaps they were ten years ago. Uh And is that right? Yeah? 574 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: And I think, uh, people, especially women, there's a big 575 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: movement for turning thirty is like a big big thing 576 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: now and it's always been a big thing. But like 577 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: they're all these blogs now where these women have these 578 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: goals where I want to do this by the time 579 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm thirty or I'm turning turning you know, I'm twenty nine, 580 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm turning thirty, and I want to get this done 581 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: in the next year, like sort of a uh pre 582 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: middle aged bucket list type of thing. And I think 583 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: that Eat, Pray Love book had something to do with that, 584 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: and that would be the bucket list. Yeah. Yeah, I 585 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: actually another guy who I think he wrote it. He 586 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: was a fellow p A with me in l A. 587 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and now he's like some big time movie guy. 588 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big time he had technical he was 589 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: pulling the strings of Nicholson and Um Freeman. Um. But 590 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: we know a girl, actually a girl who worked on 591 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: our our TV pilot, Laura has um a blog twenty 592 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: nine turning thirty where she wanted to do something new 593 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: every day for a year, and uh, I read it 594 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: from timetime. I think it's kind of cool. And they're 595 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: not always huge things like one might be like, ah, 596 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: make a make a bake a turkey for Thanksgiving, like 597 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: something she had never done before in the middle of July. 598 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: Or one might be go skydiving, like there are larger ones, 599 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: but every single day she wants to do something every day. 600 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I think it's cool. Yeah, it's kind of interesting, 601 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: and that's both short term and long term. Um, but 602 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: also I wonder that like will be done with that. 603 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying now when you reference the 604 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: bucket list that we have become Like the seventies and eighties, 605 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: it was very goal or in but it seemed more organizational, 606 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: and now it seems like it's transition more to personal 607 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: goal setting like that just doing a bunch of stuff. 608 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: I guess the point is is what will be done 609 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: when you know that person turns thirty? Um? What will 610 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: be done when somebody finishes the bucket list? And then 611 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: there it's kind of sitting around like waiting to die, 612 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: Like there's a there's in this article that you put together. 613 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: Um it was, you know, there's the pro goal setting, 614 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: there was the goal can be goal setting can be 615 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: good and bad, and there was kind of the anti 616 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: goal setting. And one of the things from the anti 617 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: goal setting seemed to suggest like do we even need goals? 618 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: Do we do we need to set them? Or is 619 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: it really actually kind of a bad psychotic thing to 620 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: to set it. To set goals especially, is like a 621 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: regular habit. You know, if you are overweight and you 622 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: want to lose weight, and you want to lose weight, 623 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: maybe goal study is a good thing. But if throughout 624 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: your normal day or your normal life, is goal setting 625 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: a good thing? And I really think we kind of 626 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: tapped it on the shoulder at the beginning, yeah, when 627 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: we said it's kind of tailored to the individual. It 628 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: is with the wait things. Some people might do very 629 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: well with the poundage goal and not do crazy things. Um, 630 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: some people might do better with you know what, I'm 631 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: gonna start out this week by not eating sweets and 632 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: going to the gym three times. Right, But isn't there 633 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: also a voice in there somewhere And it seems like 634 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: there's not these days, especially in the West, for the 635 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: people who said I'm happy being fat, Well, yeah, that 636 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: that is one of the things one of these psychologists 637 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: points out is the detriment of goals is that sort 638 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: of puts a taint on personal acceptance, right, you know, 639 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: because the idea is if I didn't meet my goal, 640 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: that means I have failed, and then I'm not good 641 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: enough as I was and still not good enough because 642 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: I didn't reach that goal. But even beyond setting a 643 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: goal and failing, is there a place in this world 644 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: and for people who don't set goals, who are not 645 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: not like Shaggy from Scooby Doo, but somebody who like 646 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, has a job, goes to work, but isn't 647 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: like out there like I'm gonna make an extra fifty 648 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: k this year. I'm I'm um, I'm gonna have three 649 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: kids in one year. Watch this, it's crazy, you know 650 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, like just setting setting goals that 651 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: like like this is my life and it has to 652 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: lurch forward. Somebody's just like, I'm pretty happy. I've got 653 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: cable TV. It keeps me pretty happy all the time. 654 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: I my cars beat her, but I mean it still 655 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: gets me to and from work. I kind of like 656 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: my boss. I don't want his job, but um, I'm 657 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: pretty happy where I am. My wife and kids love me. 658 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: I love them. We get to go on really you know, 659 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: um poor vacations, but we go on vacations together and 660 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: I spend time with them. Like those people are being 661 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: edged out by goal setting in this country. That was 662 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: me and still is to a large part. Oh yeah, definitely. 663 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I feel like you have 664 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: struck something of a healthy balance though too. I feel 665 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: like you can make your life progress, uh by leaps 666 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: and bounds, by setting goals and achieving them. But I 667 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: think we should all be aware that there is a 668 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: cost to that, and it's frequently your comfort. Yeah you know, wow, 669 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: good stuff. This isn't true about this one. You put together. 670 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: Did a good job. I was sure of it. You 671 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: said lots of words. So, um, let's see if you 672 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: want to learn more about goals. I don't know where 673 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: you've learned them on this site, do you no, But 674 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you if you have encountered 675 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: your own like twenties to thirties young bucket list experience 676 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: Chuck does at least. Um, you can learn all about 677 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: psychology at how stuff works dot com. Um, we've got 678 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: stuff on positive psychology, happiness, all sorts of crazy stuff. 679 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: Just type psychology into the search bar how stuff works 680 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: dot Com and uh, I said search bar, which means 681 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: it's time to plug our happiness audiobook. That's right, that 682 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: is a goal. We recorded a Happy in Us audio 683 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: book a while ago, and I think it's pretty good interviews. 684 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: It's got which is you know, different for us we 685 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: normally don't do internet. It was good. We put some 686 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: time and effort into it. My niece speaks to that's right, 687 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: quotes the Dolly Lama. At the beginning, we got an 688 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: email from somebody saying, like that tier that the the 689 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: listener up when they heard my niece saying that, and 690 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that is cool, but it's good. Yeah, 691 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: we have professionals and it goes all over the map. Man. 692 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: We we explore whether happiness is a good thing, whether 693 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. It was just good. I'm proud 694 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: of it. I like it. There's also a Happy our 695 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: super Stuff Guide to the Economy right next to it. Yeah. 696 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: Is that still relevant? Yes, because it was about economics. 697 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't if we didn't even mention the bailout at 698 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: it was fairly ever, it's about the money supply, it 699 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: was about supplying demand. It was about classical versus um 700 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: versus Kanzie and economics. Yeah, you're right, it was good. Okay, 701 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: they're both worth it, and they're both but like four 702 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: or five bucks I think. So we're we're working on 703 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: getting them elsewhere hopefully, But You can definitely get them 704 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 1: on iTunes right now if you look hard enough. That's right. 705 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: It's good iTunes in the search in the store and 706 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: search stuff you should know super stuff guy, No, bring 707 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: both from off, that's right. If you want to get 708 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: in touch with me and Chuck with your bucket list, 709 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: you can tweet to us a very short bucket list 710 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: s y s K podcast. You can uh go on Facebook, 711 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com slash stuff. You should know the new 712 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: timeline page that I hate if you love of I 713 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: don't know anybody that likes that, and some people did. 714 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: Some people like you're just old. You were just at 715 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: to change, and like what that's crazy? Like, no, it's 716 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of clunky and weird. These are the same people 717 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: who tell you it's okay to have the extra Claire Hunt. 718 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. You can also set a goal to 719 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: email us um and you can achieve it by addressing 720 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: it to stuffed podcast at Discovery dot com. 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