WEBVTT - There is No Heaven 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.520 and Mild from Aaron Manky. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.840 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.480 Hey, Haunted roadies, I know you like spooky stuff, That's 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.440 why you're here. But have you taken it a step 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.480 further and joined the Paranormal Circle yet? The Paranormal Circle 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.959 is an online community that I created for all of 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:32.280 us ghost nerds. It focused on ghosts, hauntings, paranormal investigations, research, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.640 you name it. So whether you're a casual ghost story 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.239 lover or a full on paranormal enthusiast, I know you're 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.960 going to love the Circle. 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The troubles in the house, which is awky 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.520 by a couple and their four children, began in July 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.400 when a lamp sailed across the bedroom of one of 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.640 the girls. Because she was the only one involved, the 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.280 reaction was that an overactive imagination was at work. But 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.840 then the entire family began hearing strange noises and seeing apparitions, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.200 and when father alphonsis a member of the American Society 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.320 of Psychical Research and the Venerable Society of Psychical Research 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.360 of Britain was asked to visit the home. He found 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.799 that some of the neighbors also had seen apparitions near 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.799 the house. One night, two twenty year old boys volunteered 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.480 to stay in the house and watch for apparitions. Father 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.840 Alphonsis said about two point thirty in the morning, they 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.040 heard a noise and ran out into the backyard. They 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.520 saw a strange figure, cornered him against a tree, and 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.000 took a picture of him with a polaroid. Before they 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.480 could try to seize him, he moved to the rear 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.680 of the tree and then disappeared. It was a moonlit 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.360 night and the tree was on a large lot, so 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.320 they could see for quite a distance. The ground was 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.400 very rough, they'd had trouble moving on it, and they 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.040 were sure no human could cover it in the time 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 they got to the other side of the tree. I 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.640 sent the picture to the American Psychic Society and they 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:23.160 advised me the creature in it was a spirit, and that, 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.080 my friends, was only the beginning. If you'd like to 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.720 know more, come with me as we visit the Hinsdale House. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:38.800 I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. If you 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.120 travel to Hinsdale, New York, which is just under an 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.120 hour and a half southwest of Buffalo. You might be 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.920 tempted to turn down a particular dirt road. If you do, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.640 eventually you'll hit a tree lined clearing, and in that 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.880 clearing you'll see a house. It's unassuming, with white paneling 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.720 and a basic black roof. About half of the eleven 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.600 hundred square foot home is a single story with a 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.040 partial second floor that holds three small bedrooms. The inside 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.560 is similarly unremarkable. White furniture sits in white rooms, all 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.320 of which are clean and well lit. There are five 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.920 bedrooms total, a living room and what Clara Miller called 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:23.120 a country kitchen in her book Echoes of a Haunting Revisited. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.760 This is the Hinsdale House and it was built in 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.120 eighteen fifty three in Hinsdale, New York, which is how 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.160 it got its name. It sold a number of times, 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.120 and for over a century the residents that lived there 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:41.200 lived uneventful lives. Then in nineteen seventy the Dandy family 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.640 moved in. Clara and Phil Dandy had four children, teenagers 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.680 Mike and Beth, ten year old Laura, and eight year 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.040 old Mary. According to Clara's book. They were also animal lovers, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.640 with a number of pets, including four guinea pigs, two dogs, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:01.120 two parakeets, two finches, and a cat. They also had 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:06.520 some more unusual companions, including a raccoon and a woodchuck. Later, 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.520 they also took in a descented skunk. And they didn't 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.640 live in the Hinsdale House for long before strange things 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.240 began to happen. On July eighteenth, which was the day 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.120 they finished moving in, they were prepared to handle a 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.960 fixer upper that would need serious TLC to get into 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.320 livable condition. They knew the only way to light the 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.120 furnace was to drop a match into a hole in 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.240 the living room floor. Their septic tank was an old 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.400 oil drum, and the plumbing needed a complete overhaul. But 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.280 they didn't expect to find a swarm of bees inside. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.560 There were so many that they covered every window in 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.400 the house. Clara later wrote in her book that they 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.799 couldn't even see outside. They consulted with an insect expert, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.240 who told them that this behavior was very abnormal for bees. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.760 By the following May, life in the Hnsdale House had 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.560 become even stranger. While out on a walk, the family 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.000 heard distant singing. It was almost like Gregorian chance, but 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.479 Clara later wrote that the singing abruptly shifted to be 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.800 more of a spoken prayer. Nights later, the Dandies were 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.400 on another walk when they heard something that was far 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:21.600 more unsettling, a woman screaming. Afterward, any time they went 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.039 strolling around the property, they'd be unable to avoid the 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.520 disturbing sounds. By the end of June, the Dandies were 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:33.800 hearing similarly unsettling sounds inside. The Distinct thuds of doors 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.280 slamming and objects falling echoed through the hallways. But no 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.080 matter how long they searched, they couldn't find where the 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.559 disturbances had come from. And whenever they let their dogs 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.200 run around in the woods, they'd return with bones, heaps 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.360 of them. The Dandies assumed they were deer bones, so 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.600 they threw them out without taking a closer look. All 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.080 the while, different kids from the neighborhood approached the Dandy children. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.279 They said that a strange, dark figure, thought to be 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.640 a ghost, was known to walk up and down their street. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.279 On one occasion, Mike, the oldest, was outdoors with friends 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.200 when he also spotted the figure, but he didn't assume 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.080 it was a ghost. He thought it was a local farmer. Still, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.480 when his friends decided to chase the figure, Mike joined in. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.480 They ran after the man just long enough for him 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.880 to take shelter behind a tree and then seemingly vanish 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:28.120 without a trace. In addition to the ghostly figures, the 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.560 Dandies frequently saw flying saucers in the area. They moved 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.440 quickly and in ways that should have been impossible for 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.960 ordinary craft, and before long the family began suffering from 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.000 odd accidents. Mike, the oldest, was in a car with 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.640 some friends when another car tee owned him. He survived 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.360 the collision, but another time, while he was at home, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.440 he spilled boiling water on himself and badly burned his stomach, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.800 and while cutting glass, he cut a tendon in his hand. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.360 Then he was in another car aciscident, this time he 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.520 hit a patch of ice, lost control and struck a tree. Thankfully, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.960 Mike survived this collision, but he was then in yet 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.200 another crash, after which he had to spend a week 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.720 in the ICU recovering. The second oldest, Beth, fell one 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.720 day in jim class. She broke her arm badly enough 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.680 that it never healed correctly, and her ex boyfriend was 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.440 also in a car accident after visiting her at home. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.000 His recovery was long and slow and prevented him from 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.440 getting a job for years afterward. The third Dandy child, Laura, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.520 took a bad tumble off her bike one day. One 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.640 of the cuts on her foot developed a staff infection. Finally, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.480 the youngest Mary cut her face badly when she also 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.160 fell off her bike. But it wasn't just the children 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.120 who suffered from these accidents. If they were indeed accidents, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.800 different HouseGuests and friends of the family broke bones in 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.000 bad falls or got into car crashes. So did the 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.640 mother Clara. Her husband Phil was even driven off the 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.880 road on one occasion and badly cut his thumb another time. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.440 They came to believe that dark forces were trying to 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.839 drive the Dandies out of their home by causing disasters 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.960 to strike, and the pets weren't safe either. Clara wrote 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.600 in her book that she let numerous animals stay with 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.600 Mary in her room, and one by one, a guinea pig, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.520 a parakeet, and a canary all died, all within just 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.760 two months of one another. When the family consulted with 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.559 a vet. The only advice they received was to not 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.640 let pets into that room anymore. Even though the Dandies 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.200 did as they were told, they still went on to 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.720 lose the remaining parakeet, the finches, more guinea pigs, the cat, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.560 and one of their dogs. Then one evening, Beth woke 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.480 up in the night to feel something furry on her face. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.280 Her first thought was that it was one of their animals, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.280 until the thing attacked her. She threw it off of herself, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.599 but didn't see it or hear it land. It was 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.760 as though the strange creature had disappeared mid air. Even 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.280 odder she screamed loudly enough to wake her mother and 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.520 Clara knew that none of their pets had gone into 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.400 Beth's room that night. Instead, it seemed she'd been attacked 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.480 by a specter. The night after that, several board games 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.160 fell off a bookshelf and onto Mike while he was sleeping. Oddly, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.000 there had been other items stacked on top of the games, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.960 but they didn't fall. They were still safe on the shelf. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.240 The next night after that, everyone was watching the TV 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.400 together when they noticed that a letter opener was sitting 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.000 laid down on a photo of Mary, as though someone 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.439 had left it there, poised in a stabbing position. After that, 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.000 the Dandies would often go to bed only to hear 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.160 footsteps pacing up and down the halls. No one had 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.720 left their room, and they couldn't determine who was making 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.320 the sounds. It was frightening enough that the children refused 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.240 to leave their rooms alone after bedtime. If one of 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.280 them needed to use the bathroom or get a drink 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.640 of water, they'd bring a sibling with them. They all 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.200 frequently saw inexplicable figures in the house and on the 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.320 property around it. A dancing woman, a young boy walking 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.480 toward the pond, a different woman in a long flannel 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.680 nightgown with brown hair, and a young blonde girl in 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.480 a pink cap. It even seemed that these spirits had 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.400 the ability to possess the Dandies and their guests. Clara 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.600 wrote in her book that when her son Mike had 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.560 friends over to the house, they sometimes changed personality on 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.120 a dime, as though someone else had seized control of 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.840 their bodies. Plus, her daughter Beth had naturally brown eyes, 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.280 but sometimes they'd turn blue, and then she'd behave erratically. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.000 She interacted with animals or objects no one else could see, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.679 and on multiple occasions attempted to take her own life. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.440 Her family believed she was under another entity's control during 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.760 these periods. Her sister Laura also made an eerie prediction 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.720 during an apparent bosess, She said that she would die young. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.560 By this time, the Dandy family felt certain that something 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.360 supernatural was tormenting them, so one night, the children consulted 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.280 with a Ouiji board to try and determine who was 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.920 behind the apparent haunting. They asked the force in the 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.640 house to identify itself, only for their planchette to fly 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.679 out of their hands. It hit a candle which they 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.959 always kept burning in front of a statue of the 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.120 Virgin Mary, and when the candle tipped over, the flames 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.800 sputtered out. They then consulted with Clara's cousin, a priest 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.319 named Father Bob. Clara wrote in Echoes of a Haunting 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.080 Revisited that Father Bob didn't have much prior experience with 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.040 supernatural incidents or hauntings, but he promised to see what 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.800 he could do. On April fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, he 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.800 blessed the home, but the unnerving incidents continued afterward, so 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.920 a few days later, the Dandies reached out to another priest, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.600 Father Alpha Trobolt. He had more of a history with 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.839 the occult, so he also blessed the house on a 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.640 number of occasions, culminating with a ritual he performed on 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.800 August twenty ninth. Now officially, a Catholic doctrine says you 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.959 can't exercise a house only a possessed person, so Father 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.160 Alphonss has always been clear that his ritual was not 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:25.120 an exorcism, but a cleansing. While Father Alphonsis tried to 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.600 cast out evil spirits, he heard screams, groans, and growling sounds, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.840 but none of the Dandies perceived any such thing, and sadly, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.160 his efforts didn't work and the haunting continued. By now, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.280 the eerie incidents had made it into the local news 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.120 and it was public knowledge that the Hnsdale House was 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.640 apparently haunted. This only added to the Dandies' feelings of frustration. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.080 Gawkers would drive by their home only to slow down 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.120 so drivers and passengers could stare. Other times, strangers would 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.320 pull over and shout things at them like that ghosts 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:03.000 don't exist. The Dandies didn't like the attention they were getting, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.600 and they also didn't like the way gossip was flying. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.400 It seemed everyone had a theory about why the home 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.840 was so spiritually active. Rumors suggested that the members of 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.840 an indigenous community had either been slaughtered on the land 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.040 where the house was built, or that there had been 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.560 an old Indigenous gravesite on the property, but there's no 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.600 hard evidence to support either allegation. Other gossip had some 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.840 basis in history, like the story that there had once 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.320 been a stagecoach stop and ind owned by brothers Ian 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.480 and Richard. The siblings were sexual predators, thieves, and murderers. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.720 Any unwary travelers who stopped at their inn would fall 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.600 prey to the brothers, who'd rob and then kill their customers. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.400 It said that they murdered one woman, whose name was Elizabeth, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.160 by hanging her from a tree. Elizabeth was pregnant, and 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.680 some believed that both her spirit and that of her 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.760 unborn child remained to haunt the land as the story went. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.680 Many of Ian and Richard's other victims were buried in 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.400 the basement of the stagecoach stop and later the Hinsdale House. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.360 Was built on that secret grave. Now, there really was 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.600 an inn in the area, but it wasn't at the 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.160 Hinsdale House, and there's no record of any owners named 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.320 Richard or Ian or any indication that previous owners murdered 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:23.560 their customers, so this story is almost entirely unverified. Other 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.680 people believe the house was cursed after a teenager named 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.400 Alfred Warren died in a tragic chainsaw accident on the property. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.760 Alfred was a real person who did die in a 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.960 chainsaw accident, but again not at the Hinsdale House. All 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.040 to say, there was no clear reason why the Dandyes 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.040 Home was so active, given that there was nothing in 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.920 the history to explain such darkness either way, Since the 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.840 blessings and exorcisms hadn't worked, the family was starting to 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.600 feel hopeless, like they'd never understand the spirits that were 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.520 tormenting them or find a way to be rid of them. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.760 Having exhausted every other option they could think of, they 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.600 moved out in October of nineteen seventy four, even though 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.000 they'd be unable to find a buyer for the house. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.800 By this time, they were bankrupt and their marriage was 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:19.200 so strained that Clara and phil subsequently divorced in nineteen eighty. Afterwards, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.520 she used the name Clara Miller, which is the name 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:26.360 she published her book under. As for their eldest daughter, Laura, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:31.160 who prophesied an early death while apparently possessed tragically, she 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.800 passed away just over a decade later, in nineteen ninety two. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.640 She was only thirty one years old. A number of 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.960 other families moved into the Hinsdale House over the years, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.920 but each time someone would settle in, it was only 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.760 a matter of time before the haunting became too much 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.040 to bear. One family moved out in such a rush 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.720 they left all of their possessions behind. They were quoted 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.160 in Hinsdale House, An American Haunting by Daniel Klass and 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.840 Tim Joyce. They said, I didn't want whatever was haunting 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.120 the house to know we were leaving so we could 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.320 get away from it, and I don't want it to 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.840 know where we are now. Speaking of Daniel Klass, he 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.080 bought the house in twenty fifteen, saving it just in 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.240 the nick of time from demolition. He cleaned out the 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.240 toxic black mold that had spread all through it, re 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.840 homed the bees, and renovated it until it was safe 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.200 for guests. Then he marketed it as a haunted house 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:35.000 open to tourists and paranormal investigators. Today, visitors reportedly see shadow 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.879 figures in full bodied apparitions. They may hear footsteps or 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.400 voices in rooms that appear to be empty or heavy breathing. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.360 Beyond that, the house just leaves guests with an uneasy 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.679 sensation like that of being watched. Some people struggle to breathe, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.120 almost as though unseen hands are choking them. Mary's bedroom 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.760 is said to be the most active part of the house. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.359 Their researchers have captured EVPs of a voice saying I'm 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.600 dead or there is no heaven, and yet it's still 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.240 unclear what draws spirits here. Up next, I'm going to 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.119 be joined by the owner of the house himself, mister 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.040 Daniel Class, and he has a lot of very interesting 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.439 stories to tell that is coming up after the break. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.040 All right, So I am now joined by Daniel Class, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.840 who is the owner of the Hinsdale House, and welcome 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.120 to the program. Daniel, I appreciate you taking the time. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.840 Yeah, thanks for so much for having me here. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.919 Yeah. Now, I've kind of said this a few times 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.760 this season, but this is kind of turning into the 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.760 season of places Amy has never been. You know, there's 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.440 a lot of locations that I've not been able to visit, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.040 you know, the first few seasons of Haunted Road, Like, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.240 we're kind of getting to the point where I'm looking 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.760 at locations that I haven't by to or before it 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.560 was so easy to kind of pick the ones I 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.360 had visited, and now my interest is just peaked all 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.080 over again in some of these places. And I am 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.080 fascinated by the Hinsdale House. So first of all, I 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.760 just need to know how did you come to own 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:14.879 this place and why? 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.080 Well, it was just, you know, like any other ghost 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.880 hunting team, we were, you know, we were asked to 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.000 go up there and check the place out, and it 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:25.560 hadn't been lived in for years. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.960 But there are so many claims with the location. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.520 They had a failed exorcism in the nineteen seventies, and 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.400 just so much you know creepiness, creepy vibe going there. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.320 I had gone there. I didn't own it, just wanted 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.080 to check it out. But the thing. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.760 That really stood out to me about this location, and 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.879 I'm sure you can attest to it when you go 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.919 to a place to investigate you don't automatically just get stuff, 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.119 you know, like sometimes you sit around for three hours 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.480 and you're a static getting an EVP, you know. And 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.600 the thing that stood out about the Hinsdale House was 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.760 when I went there to investigate, it seemed like every 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.000 piece of equipment. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.720 That we had was going off. Now there was no electricity. 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.960 We had one little heater going in the house, so 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.640 I mean it was there's nothing really that could make 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.920 the equipment go off that we could debunks. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:15.679 In the middle of nowhere on a mountain. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.879 You know. It was like it always reminded me of 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.679 like that commercial with the chains I was hanging on 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.560 the garage when you drive up and you're like, oh, 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:25.399 let's go hide in there. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.040 It's like that's what it kind of felt like for me, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:27.240 you know. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.640 Yeah, but yeah, I just like you had an interest 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.399 in it and continued to go there and research it 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.080 because it was so active of a location. And then 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.240 I was just in such disrepair that they were going 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.960 to tear it down and I put in a bid 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.920 to try to buy it as is so I could 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.160 try fixing it up and continue using it for research, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.240 and the bank allowed me to do that. So it's 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.359 kind of what it's been part of my journey, you know, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.280 just fixing this place, letting people come in to investigate 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:57.320 it and see what they come up with. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.280 Now, so it's been about ten years, right, didn't you 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:01.400 buy it in twenty fifteen. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.679 Yeah, yeah, it's been been almost ten years now. It's crazy. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.280 It doesn't seem like it. It seems like just the 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.720 blink in the eye where I was scurrying around not 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.439 knowing how it was going to get the roof fixed. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.920 And now it's like, my god, I have teams there 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.359 almost every day from all around the world. You know, 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.640 it's become so popular of a location. You know, it's 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.320 it's amazing the support that we have there. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.400 That's interesting. And so now this is kind of exclusively 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.919 a paranormal investigation location, right, It's I assume that you 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.600 don't live there and that this is kind of like like, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.560 this is what it has become, is this is a 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.560 place for people to investigate and tour. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:41.400 Yeah. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.000 Yeah, I mean, and that's basically all it is. It's 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.320 a We do tours tours there during the day. I 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.159 have some tour guides that work for us, and then 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:53.840 we allow teams to come in or groups, paranormal enthusiast. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.800 We have things for every level of investigation, you know, 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.880 like we kind of weave them out, kind of determine 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.720 where where their levels are at, and then. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.359 We don't leave anybody just stranded there, you know, unless 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:06.879 they know what they're doing. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.359 No, that makes sense. So I feel like, you know, 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.840 I've spoken with so many people like you who have 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.639 kind of taken on these locations. It always seems like 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.960 the person who ends up helming something like this, it's 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.800 kind of destiny. Did you kind of feel like you 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.040 were meant to be doing this, like you were meant 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.040 to kind of save this house in a way. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:30.360 Yeah. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:32.119 And I actually I used to do a podcast with 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.639 a psychic named Bernice Golden that said that to me. 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.080 She said, I was I was meant to be there 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.359 and stepped in at the right time, at the right place, 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:43.480 And a lot of what she said to me, you know, 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.040 I look back at the conversation with you. She's since 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.520 passed away, but a lot of what she has said 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.720 has come to fruition, you know, like I would have 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.400