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Speaker 1: an excerpt from the Buffalo News, February twenty third, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four. The troubles in the house, which is awky
Speaker 1: by a couple and their four children, began in July
Speaker 1: when a lamp sailed across the bedroom of one of
Speaker 1: the girls. Because she was the only one involved, the
Speaker 1: reaction was that an overactive imagination was at work. But
Speaker 1: then the entire family began hearing strange noises and seeing apparitions,
Speaker 1: and when father alphonsis a member of the American Society
Speaker 1: of Psychical Research and the Venerable Society of Psychical Research
Speaker 1: of Britain was asked to visit the home. He found
Speaker 1: that some of the neighbors also had seen apparitions near
Speaker 1: the house. One night, two twenty year old boys volunteered
Speaker 1: to stay in the house and watch for apparitions. Father
Speaker 1: Alphonsis said about two point thirty in the morning, they
Speaker 1: heard a noise and ran out into the backyard. They
Speaker 1: saw a strange figure, cornered him against a tree, and
Speaker 1: took a picture of him with a polaroid. Before they
Speaker 1: could try to seize him, he moved to the rear
Speaker 1: of the tree and then disappeared. It was a moonlit
Speaker 1: night and the tree was on a large lot, so
Speaker 1: they could see for quite a distance. The ground was
Speaker 1: very rough, they'd had trouble moving on it, and they
Speaker 1: were sure no human could cover it in the time
Speaker 1: they got to the other side of the tree. I
Speaker 1: sent the picture to the American Psychic Society and they
Speaker 1: advised me the creature in it was a spirit, and that,
Speaker 1: my friends, was only the beginning. If you'd like to
Speaker 1: know more, come with me as we visit the Hinsdale House.
Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. If you
Speaker 1: travel to Hinsdale, New York, which is just under an
Speaker 1: hour and a half southwest of Buffalo. You might be
Speaker 1: tempted to turn down a particular dirt road. If you do,
Speaker 1: eventually you'll hit a tree lined clearing, and in that
Speaker 1: clearing you'll see a house. It's unassuming, with white paneling
Speaker 1: and a basic black roof. About half of the eleven
Speaker 1: hundred square foot home is a single story with a
Speaker 1: partial second floor that holds three small bedrooms. The inside
Speaker 1: is similarly unremarkable. White furniture sits in white rooms, all
Speaker 1: of which are clean and well lit. There are five
Speaker 1: bedrooms total, a living room and what Clara Miller called
Speaker 1: a country kitchen in her book Echoes of a Haunting Revisited.
Speaker 1: This is the Hinsdale House and it was built in
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty three in Hinsdale, New York, which is how
Speaker 1: it got its name. It sold a number of times,
Speaker 1: and for over a century the residents that lived there
Speaker 1: lived uneventful lives. Then in nineteen seventy the Dandy family
Speaker 1: moved in. Clara and Phil Dandy had four children, teenagers
Speaker 1: Mike and Beth, ten year old Laura, and eight year
Speaker 1: old Mary. According to Clara's book. They were also animal lovers,
Speaker 1: with a number of pets, including four guinea pigs, two dogs,
Speaker 1: two parakeets, two finches, and a cat. They also had
Speaker 1: some more unusual companions, including a raccoon and a woodchuck. Later,
Speaker 1: they also took in a descented skunk. And they didn't
Speaker 1: live in the Hinsdale House for long before strange things
Speaker 1: began to happen. On July eighteenth, which was the day
Speaker 1: they finished moving in, they were prepared to handle a
Speaker 1: fixer upper that would need serious TLC to get into
Speaker 1: livable condition. They knew the only way to light the
Speaker 1: furnace was to drop a match into a hole in
Speaker 1: the living room floor. Their septic tank was an old
Speaker 1: oil drum, and the plumbing needed a complete overhaul. But
Speaker 1: they didn't expect to find a swarm of bees inside.
Speaker 1: There were so many that they covered every window in
Speaker 1: the house. Clara later wrote in her book that they
Speaker 1: couldn't even see outside. They consulted with an insect expert,
Speaker 1: who told them that this behavior was very abnormal for bees.
Speaker 1: By the following May, life in the Hnsdale House had
Speaker 1: become even stranger. While out on a walk, the family
Speaker 1: heard distant singing. It was almost like Gregorian chance, but
Speaker 1: Clara later wrote that the singing abruptly shifted to be
Speaker 1: more of a spoken prayer. Nights later, the Dandies were
Speaker 1: on another walk when they heard something that was far
Speaker 1: more unsettling, a woman screaming. Afterward, any time they went
Speaker 1: strolling around the property, they'd be unable to avoid the
Speaker 1: disturbing sounds. By the end of June, the Dandies were
Speaker 1: hearing similarly unsettling sounds inside. The Distinct thuds of doors
Speaker 1: slamming and objects falling echoed through the hallways. But no
Speaker 1: matter how long they searched, they couldn't find where the
Speaker 1: disturbances had come from. And whenever they let their dogs
Speaker 1: run around in the woods, they'd return with bones, heaps
Speaker 1: of them. The Dandies assumed they were deer bones, so
Speaker 1: they threw them out without taking a closer look. All
Speaker 1: the while, different kids from the neighborhood approached the Dandy children.
Speaker 1: They said that a strange, dark figure, thought to be
Speaker 1: a ghost, was known to walk up and down their street.
Speaker 1: On one occasion, Mike, the oldest, was outdoors with friends
Speaker 1: when he also spotted the figure, but he didn't assume
Speaker 1: it was a ghost. He thought it was a local farmer. Still,
Speaker 1: when his friends decided to chase the figure, Mike joined in.
Speaker 1: They ran after the man just long enough for him
Speaker 1: to take shelter behind a tree and then seemingly vanish
Speaker 1: without a trace. In addition to the ghostly figures, the
Speaker 1: Dandies frequently saw flying saucers in the area. They moved
Speaker 1: quickly and in ways that should have been impossible for
Speaker 1: ordinary craft, and before long the family began suffering from
Speaker 1: odd accidents. Mike, the oldest, was in a car with
Speaker 1: some friends when another car tee owned him. He survived
Speaker 1: the collision, but another time, while he was at home,
Speaker 1: he spilled boiling water on himself and badly burned his stomach,
Speaker 1: and while cutting glass, he cut a tendon in his hand.
Speaker 1: Then he was in another car aciscident, this time he
Speaker 1: hit a patch of ice, lost control and struck a tree. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: Mike survived this collision, but he was then in yet
Speaker 1: another crash, after which he had to spend a week
Speaker 1: in the ICU recovering. The second oldest, Beth, fell one
Speaker 1: day in jim class. She broke her arm badly enough
Speaker 1: that it never healed correctly, and her ex boyfriend was
Speaker 1: also in a car accident after visiting her at home.
Speaker 1: His recovery was long and slow and prevented him from
Speaker 1: getting a job for years afterward. The third Dandy child, Laura,
Speaker 1: took a bad tumble off her bike one day. One
Speaker 1: of the cuts on her foot developed a staff infection. Finally,
Speaker 1: the youngest Mary cut her face badly when she also
Speaker 1: fell off her bike. But it wasn't just the children
Speaker 1: who suffered from these accidents. If they were indeed accidents,
Speaker 1: different HouseGuests and friends of the family broke bones in
Speaker 1: bad falls or got into car crashes. So did the
Speaker 1: mother Clara. Her husband Phil was even driven off the
Speaker 1: road on one occasion and badly cut his thumb another time.
Speaker 1: They came to believe that dark forces were trying to
Speaker 1: drive the Dandies out of their home by causing disasters
Speaker 1: to strike, and the pets weren't safe either. Clara wrote
Speaker 1: in her book that she let numerous animals stay with
Speaker 1: Mary in her room, and one by one, a guinea pig,
Speaker 1: a parakeet, and a canary all died, all within just
Speaker 1: two months of one another. When the family consulted with
Speaker 1: a vet. The only advice they received was to not
Speaker 1: let pets into that room anymore. Even though the Dandies
Speaker 1: did as they were told, they still went on to
Speaker 1: lose the remaining parakeet, the finches, more guinea pigs, the cat,
Speaker 1: and one of their dogs. Then one evening, Beth woke
Speaker 1: up in the night to feel something furry on her face.
Speaker 1: Her first thought was that it was one of their animals,
Speaker 1: until the thing attacked her. She threw it off of herself,
Speaker 1: but didn't see it or hear it land. It was
Speaker 1: as though the strange creature had disappeared mid air. Even
Speaker 1: odder she screamed loudly enough to wake her mother and
Speaker 1: Clara knew that none of their pets had gone into
Speaker 1: Beth's room that night. Instead, it seemed she'd been attacked
Speaker 1: by a specter. The night after that, several board games
Speaker 1: fell off a bookshelf and onto Mike while he was sleeping. Oddly,
Speaker 1: there had been other items stacked on top of the games,
Speaker 1: but they didn't fall. They were still safe on the shelf.
Speaker 1: The next night after that, everyone was watching the TV
Speaker 1: together when they noticed that a letter opener was sitting
Speaker 1: laid down on a photo of Mary, as though someone
Speaker 1: had left it there, poised in a stabbing position. After that,
Speaker 1: the Dandies would often go to bed only to hear
Speaker 1: footsteps pacing up and down the halls. No one had
Speaker 1: left their room, and they couldn't determine who was making
Speaker 1: the sounds. It was frightening enough that the children refused
Speaker 1: to leave their rooms alone after bedtime. If one of
Speaker 1: them needed to use the bathroom or get a drink
Speaker 1: of water, they'd bring a sibling with them. They all
Speaker 1: frequently saw inexplicable figures in the house and on the
Speaker 1: property around it. A dancing woman, a young boy walking
Speaker 1: toward the pond, a different woman in a long flannel
Speaker 1: nightgown with brown hair, and a young blonde girl in
Speaker 1: a pink cap. It even seemed that these spirits had
Speaker 1: the ability to possess the Dandies and their guests. Clara
Speaker 1: wrote in her book that when her son Mike had
Speaker 1: friends over to the house, they sometimes changed personality on
Speaker 1: a dime, as though someone else had seized control of
Speaker 1: their bodies. Plus, her daughter Beth had naturally brown eyes,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they'd turn blue, and then she'd behave erratically.
Speaker 1: She interacted with animals or objects no one else could see,
Speaker 1: and on multiple occasions attempted to take her own life.
Speaker 1: Her family believed she was under another entity's control during
Speaker 1: these periods. Her sister Laura also made an eerie prediction
Speaker 1: during an apparent bosess, She said that she would die young.
Speaker 1: By this time, the Dandy family felt certain that something
Speaker 1: supernatural was tormenting them, so one night, the children consulted
Speaker 1: with a Ouiji board to try and determine who was
Speaker 1: behind the apparent haunting. They asked the force in the
Speaker 1: house to identify itself, only for their planchette to fly
Speaker 1: out of their hands. It hit a candle which they
Speaker 1: always kept burning in front of a statue of the
Speaker 1: Virgin Mary, and when the candle tipped over, the flames
Speaker 1: sputtered out. They then consulted with Clara's cousin, a priest
Speaker 1: named Father Bob. Clara wrote in Echoes of a Haunting
Speaker 1: Revisited that Father Bob didn't have much prior experience with
Speaker 1: supernatural incidents or hauntings, but he promised to see what
Speaker 1: he could do. On April fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, he
Speaker 1: blessed the home, but the unnerving incidents continued afterward, so
Speaker 1: a few days later, the Dandies reached out to another priest,
Speaker 1: Father Alpha Trobolt. He had more of a history with
Speaker 1: the occult, so he also blessed the house on a
Speaker 1: number of occasions, culminating with a ritual he performed on
Speaker 1: August twenty ninth. Now officially, a Catholic doctrine says you
Speaker 1: can't exercise a house only a possessed person, so Father
Speaker 1: Alphonss has always been clear that his ritual was not
Speaker 1: an exorcism, but a cleansing. While Father Alphonsis tried to
Speaker 1: cast out evil spirits, he heard screams, groans, and growling sounds,
Speaker 1: but none of the Dandies perceived any such thing, and sadly,
Speaker 1: his efforts didn't work and the haunting continued. By now,
Speaker 1: the eerie incidents had made it into the local news
Speaker 1: and it was public knowledge that the Hnsdale House was
Speaker 1: apparently haunted. This only added to the Dandies' feelings of frustration.
Speaker 1: Gawkers would drive by their home only to slow down
Speaker 1: so drivers and passengers could stare. Other times, strangers would
Speaker 1: pull over and shout things at them like that ghosts
Speaker 1: don't exist. The Dandies didn't like the attention they were getting,
Speaker 1: and they also didn't like the way gossip was flying.
Speaker 1: It seemed everyone had a theory about why the home
Speaker 1: was so spiritually active. Rumors suggested that the members of
Speaker 1: an indigenous community had either been slaughtered on the land
Speaker 1: where the house was built, or that there had been
Speaker 1: an old Indigenous gravesite on the property, but there's no
Speaker 1: hard evidence to support either allegation. Other gossip had some
Speaker 1: basis in history, like the story that there had once
Speaker 1: been a stagecoach stop and ind owned by brothers Ian
Speaker 1: and Richard. The siblings were sexual predators, thieves, and murderers.
Speaker 1: Any unwary travelers who stopped at their inn would fall
Speaker 1: prey to the brothers, who'd rob and then kill their customers.
Speaker 1: It said that they murdered one woman, whose name was Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: by hanging her from a tree. Elizabeth was pregnant, and
Speaker 1: some believed that both her spirit and that of her
Speaker 1: unborn child remained to haunt the land as the story went.
Speaker 1: Many of Ian and Richard's other victims were buried in
Speaker 1: the basement of the stagecoach stop and later the Hinsdale House.
Speaker 1: Was built on that secret grave. Now, there really was
Speaker 1: an inn in the area, but it wasn't at the
Speaker 1: Hinsdale House, and there's no record of any owners named
Speaker 1: Richard or Ian or any indication that previous owners murdered
Speaker 1: their customers, so this story is almost entirely unverified. Other
Speaker 1: people believe the house was cursed after a teenager named
Speaker 1: Alfred Warren died in a tragic chainsaw accident on the property.
Speaker 1: Alfred was a real person who did die in a
Speaker 1: chainsaw accident, but again not at the Hinsdale House. All
Speaker 1: to say, there was no clear reason why the Dandyes
Speaker 1: Home was so active, given that there was nothing in
Speaker 1: the history to explain such darkness either way, Since the
Speaker 1: blessings and exorcisms hadn't worked, the family was starting to
Speaker 1: feel hopeless, like they'd never understand the spirits that were
Speaker 1: tormenting them or find a way to be rid of them.
Speaker 1: Having exhausted every other option they could think of, they
Speaker 1: moved out in October of nineteen seventy four, even though
Speaker 1: they'd be unable to find a buyer for the house.
Speaker 1: By this time, they were bankrupt and their marriage was
Speaker 1: so strained that Clara and phil subsequently divorced in nineteen eighty. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: she used the name Clara Miller, which is the name
Speaker 1: she published her book under. As for their eldest daughter, Laura,
Speaker 1: who prophesied an early death while apparently possessed tragically, she
Speaker 1: passed away just over a decade later, in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: She was only thirty one years old. A number of
Speaker 1: other families moved into the Hinsdale House over the years,
Speaker 1: but each time someone would settle in, it was only
Speaker 1: a matter of time before the haunting became too much
Speaker 1: to bear. One family moved out in such a rush
Speaker 1: they left all of their possessions behind. They were quoted
Speaker 1: in Hinsdale House, An American Haunting by Daniel Klass and
Speaker 1: Tim Joyce. They said, I didn't want whatever was haunting
Speaker 1: the house to know we were leaving so we could
Speaker 1: get away from it, and I don't want it to
Speaker 1: know where we are now. Speaking of Daniel Klass, he
Speaker 1: bought the house in twenty fifteen, saving it just in
Speaker 1: the nick of time from demolition. He cleaned out the
Speaker 1: toxic black mold that had spread all through it, re
Speaker 1: homed the bees, and renovated it until it was safe
Speaker 1: for guests. Then he marketed it as a haunted house
Speaker 1: open to tourists and paranormal investigators. Today, visitors reportedly see shadow
Speaker 1: figures in full bodied apparitions. They may hear footsteps or
Speaker 1: voices in rooms that appear to be empty or heavy breathing.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, the house just leaves guests with an uneasy
Speaker 1: sensation like that of being watched. Some people struggle to breathe,
Speaker 1: almost as though unseen hands are choking them. Mary's bedroom
Speaker 1: is said to be the most active part of the house.
Speaker 1: Their researchers have captured EVPs of a voice saying I'm
Speaker 1: dead or there is no heaven, and yet it's still
Speaker 1: unclear what draws spirits here. Up next, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be joined by the owner of the house himself, mister
Speaker 1: Daniel Class, and he has a lot of very interesting
Speaker 1: stories to tell that is coming up after the break.
Speaker 1: All right, So I am now joined by Daniel Class,
Speaker 1: who is the owner of the Hinsdale House, and welcome
Speaker 1: to the program. Daniel, I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for so much for having me here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I've kind of said this a few times
Speaker 1: this season, but this is kind of turning into the
Speaker 1: season of places Amy has never been. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of locations that I've not been able to visit,
Speaker 1: you know, the first few seasons of Haunted Road, Like,
Speaker 1: we're kind of getting to the point where I'm looking
Speaker 1: at locations that I haven't by to or before it
Speaker 1: was so easy to kind of pick the ones I
Speaker 1: had visited, and now my interest is just peaked all
Speaker 1: over again in some of these places. And I am
Speaker 1: fascinated by the Hinsdale House. So first of all, I
Speaker 1: just need to know how did you come to own
Speaker 1: this place and why?
Speaker 3: Well, it was just, you know, like any other ghost
Speaker 3: hunting team, we were, you know, we were asked to
Speaker 3: go up there and check the place out, and it
Speaker 3: hadn't been lived in for years.
Speaker 2: But there are so many claims with the location.
Speaker 3: They had a failed exorcism in the nineteen seventies, and
Speaker 3: just so much you know creepiness, creepy vibe going there.
Speaker 2: I had gone there. I didn't own it, just wanted
Speaker 2: to check it out. But the thing.
Speaker 3: That really stood out to me about this location, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can attest to it when you go
Speaker 3: to a place to investigate you don't automatically just get stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, like sometimes you sit around for three hours
Speaker 3: and you're a static getting an EVP, you know. And
Speaker 3: the thing that stood out about the Hinsdale House was
Speaker 3: when I went there to investigate, it seemed like every
Speaker 3: piece of equipment.
Speaker 2: That we had was going off. Now there was no electricity.
Speaker 3: We had one little heater going in the house, so
Speaker 3: I mean it was there's nothing really that could make
Speaker 3: the equipment go off that we could debunks.
Speaker 2: In the middle of nowhere on a mountain.
Speaker 3: You know. It was like it always reminded me of
Speaker 3: like that commercial with the chains I was hanging on
Speaker 3: the garage when you drive up and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's go hide in there.
Speaker 2: It's like that's what it kind of felt like for me,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I just like you had an interest
Speaker 3: in it and continued to go there and research it
Speaker 3: because it was so active of a location. And then
Speaker 3: I was just in such disrepair that they were going
Speaker 3: to tear it down and I put in a bid
Speaker 3: to try to buy it as is so I could
Speaker 3: try fixing it up and continue using it for research,
Speaker 3: and the bank allowed me to do that. So it's
Speaker 3: kind of what it's been part of my journey, you know,
Speaker 3: just fixing this place, letting people come in to investigate
Speaker 3: it and see what they come up with.
Speaker 1: Now, so it's been about ten years, right, didn't you
Speaker 1: buy it in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been been almost ten years now. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it. It seems like just the
Speaker 3: blink in the eye where I was scurrying around not
Speaker 3: knowing how it was going to get the roof fixed.
Speaker 3: And now it's like, my god, I have teams there
Speaker 3: almost every day from all around the world. You know,
Speaker 3: it's become so popular of a location. You know, it's
Speaker 3: it's amazing the support that we have there.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. And so now this is kind of exclusively
Speaker 1: a paranormal investigation location, right, It's I assume that you
Speaker 1: don't live there and that this is kind of like like,
Speaker 1: this is what it has become, is this is a
Speaker 1: place for people to investigate and tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's basically all it is. It's
Speaker 3: a We do tours tours there during the day. I
Speaker 3: have some tour guides that work for us, and then
Speaker 3: we allow teams to come in or groups, paranormal enthusiast.
Speaker 3: We have things for every level of investigation, you know,
Speaker 3: like we kind of weave them out, kind of determine
Speaker 3: where where their levels are at, and then.
Speaker 2: We don't leave anybody just stranded there, you know, unless
Speaker 2: they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. So I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've spoken with so many people like you who have
Speaker 1: kind of taken on these locations. It always seems like
Speaker 1: the person who ends up helming something like this, it's
Speaker 1: kind of destiny. Did you kind of feel like you
Speaker 1: were meant to be doing this, like you were meant
Speaker 1: to kind of save this house in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I actually I used to do a podcast with
Speaker 3: a psychic named Bernice Golden that said that to me.
Speaker 3: She said, I was I was meant to be there
Speaker 3: and stepped in at the right time, at the right place,
Speaker 3: And a lot of what she said to me, you know,
Speaker 3: I look back at the conversation with you. She's since
Speaker 3: passed away, but a lot of what she has said
Speaker 3: has come to fruition, you know, like I would have
Speaker 3: never thought where I would be where I am today
Speaker 3: just because I bought a haunted house. You know, it
Speaker 3: was something that I enjoyed doing, and now it's become
Speaker 3: a business and that's spread onto other things like making
Speaker 3: television shows, Haunted magazine, you know, all these different things
Speaker 3: that and I just get to do what I like
Speaker 3: to do. You know, it's awesome just because I bought
Speaker 3: this house and we're uncovering all these amazing secrets and
Speaker 3: stories even further, we're able to dive in deeper than
Speaker 3: a normal person could because we own the place, you know,
Speaker 3: and we're able to put the time into it.
Speaker 1: I can relate on so many levels. You know, when
Speaker 1: I started what I do as a paranormal enthusiast and
Speaker 1: a fan of all things ghosts and just really loving
Speaker 1: it and never quite having a clear plan of where
Speaker 1: I was going to end up. I just knew I
Speaker 1: wanted to keep, you know, being spooky for as long
Speaker 1: as possible, and so so I can definitely relate now.
Speaker 1: So you were talking about how you first went in
Speaker 1: the house and you know, your equipment was going wild,
Speaker 1: Like when did you like is that when you knew
Speaker 1: it was there was something to this or how did
Speaker 1: you have like a profound experience there where you were
Speaker 1: like whoa this place is truly, you know, next level haunted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically they were condemning the location. We were
Speaker 3: allowed to go there one last time before they were
Speaker 3: going to be tearing it down, and alls I had
Speaker 3: known up to that point was the failed Structural exorcism
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: Four, and I had started to do more research.
Speaker 3: I said, if this has happened to this family in
Speaker 3: the seventies, there had to be other people that these
Speaker 3: hauntings happened, you know to, throughout the years. The problem
Speaker 3: was it was a landlease, so it was hard to
Speaker 3: get the records of the people that live there. But
Speaker 3: I had come across the YouTube video about this older
Speaker 3: family that lived there in the eighties, the Misnics, and
Speaker 3: they had both since passed away. So I kind of
Speaker 3: had like new goals.
Speaker 2: When I went to the house's final time, I was
Speaker 2: in the kitchen. We had a camera.
Speaker 3: It was me and actually Tim Shaw, my friend Cameron,
Speaker 3: and the house manager at the time, and they were
Speaker 3: talking about the exorcism and we weren't really getting anything,
Speaker 3: you know, Like it was like when I as soon
Speaker 3: as I said the name Flow, who was the older
Speaker 3: woman that was there that passed away, I had like
Speaker 3: a jolting sensation on my arm. I had a K
Speaker 3: two meter in my hand. It went all the way
Speaker 3: up to five hundred milligus and I felt like static,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the what the heck? You know,
Speaker 3: so I continue to have what I felt like was
Speaker 3: a conversation with flow Misnick, and I asked her if
Speaker 3: she would hold my hand as we go up the stairs.
Speaker 3: And you know, as well as I do like having
Speaker 3: a K two meter, you maybe get like a little
Speaker 3: bleep here or there. Maybe that's something communicating with you. You
Speaker 3: don't know for sure. But when I felt that static
Speaker 3: on my arm and the K two meter stayed lit
Speaker 3: in my hand all the way up the stairs into
Speaker 3: the master bedroom, I was like, what you know, I
Speaker 3: was just freaking out internally because I've never had an
Speaker 3: experience like this before. Now this is you know, all
Speaker 3: the electricals been ripped out of the house, you know,
Speaker 3: all the duck work. I mean, it's just a shell
Speaker 3: right now. And I lost when I went over into
Speaker 3: the crossed over into the room where they said the
Speaker 3: was blocked off at the nineteen seventies. To add further
Speaker 3: to that, the next day, you know, I you know,
Speaker 3: I posted on my Facebook page picture of the house
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is where I investigated last night.
Speaker 2: You know, how like cool people do you know? And
Speaker 2: I got a message. I got a message on my
Speaker 2: inbox from a girl named Jackie Chandra and she said, uh,
Speaker 2: she was asked, my grandparents hold the house? And I said,
Speaker 2: you got to f and be kidding here right now.
Speaker 2: And I said, who are your grandparents?
Speaker 3: And she said Flow and Joe Misnik And you know,
Speaker 3: we've been friends ever since that message that she sent me,
Speaker 3: and I told her the story, and she said she
Speaker 3: felt very connected with her grandmother there and she's she's
Speaker 3: had things happen to her there when she was a kid,
Speaker 3: and she's very much into it as well and actually
Speaker 3: helps do tours up there now to this day. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just crazy, but yeah, I mean that was the
Speaker 3: point where I said, I need to try to save
Speaker 3: this house because there's more than meets the eye. There's
Speaker 3: more happening here than anybody thinks there is, and we
Speaker 3: need to try to figure this out. And if we
Speaker 3: get rid of it, it's just another one of those
Speaker 3: storied locations that it's gone.
Speaker 1: Forever, you know, yeah, I love when there's a family
Speaker 1: connection in some way. You know, I do a lot
Speaker 1: of research and locations, and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: times I am, you know, researching people who are long gone,
Speaker 1: and it's always nice if I can connect with someone
Speaker 1: who knew who I'm researching in life, or who had
Speaker 1: been to the location in life, because you get this
Speaker 1: kind of first hand account. It's so much more meaningful
Speaker 1: than you know, just reading an old newspaper article or something.
Speaker 1: And yeah, those land leases, those are very tough to research.
Speaker 1: So I feel your pain there, just kind of going
Speaker 1: through the history of the house and like what people
Speaker 1: had gone through there over the years. There was just
Speaker 1: this kind of it seems like you thought that maybe
Speaker 1: it was cursed in some way. You know, people had
Speaker 1: a lot of unfortunate events. Some of them were very minor,
Speaker 1: some of them were more major. Did you worry about
Speaker 1: that when you bought it?
Speaker 3: Of course, I mean it's it's it's always in the
Speaker 3: back of your mind that there was a failed structural exorcism,
Speaker 3: and all the papers from the nineteen seventies they're talking
Speaker 3: demonic things happening there.
Speaker 2: But you have to take a deep breath.
Speaker 3: And kind of just look at the bigger picture, you know,
Speaker 3: like things that they deemed demonic back in the seventies.
Speaker 3: You know, everything was a demon back then, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you have to like go through your go
Speaker 3: through with what experiences that I've had and what other
Speaker 3: people have had, and make sure that the warnings are
Speaker 3: out there. Of course, take precautions, but continue to investigate
Speaker 3: it as if it's a normal location.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never had anything like crazy crazy happen there,
Speaker 3: except for it seems like a big puzzle, you know,
Speaker 3: like once you figure something out, something there's more to it.
Speaker 2: And there have been.
Speaker 3: People there that have have been claims of getting like scratched,
Speaker 3: you know, but we've you know, nothing like crazy crazy, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right now. And I think I do have to
Speaker 1: still kind of bring people back from that perspective when
Speaker 1: I meet folks. You know, I'm a child of the eighties,
Speaker 1: so like I remember this very well, but I sometimes
Speaker 1: have to kind of bring people back from that satanic
Speaker 1: panic era where you know, it was in the seventies
Speaker 1: and eighties, Like you said, everything was a demon, you know,
Speaker 1: the Exorcist was a major hit, and we had, you know,
Speaker 1: things like the omen and pop culture heavily influenced how
Speaker 1: people interpreted hauntings and paranormal activity. The fact that I'm
Speaker 1: still dealing with that today and you as well, it
Speaker 1: really kind of puts in a perspective just how deeply
Speaker 1: ingrained these ideas were in people, Like they were absolutely terrified,
Speaker 1: but I would also argue, very intrigued at the same time.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you should see some of the some of
Speaker 3: the male I get from people when I have a
Speaker 3: group of students up there that have been trained. You know,
Speaker 3: we have like paranormal clubs and some of the schools know,
Speaker 3: and we'll go in and we'll train the kids and
Speaker 3: they have them come up as a do an investigation.
Speaker 3: And man that people some people are just so why
Speaker 3: are you bringing kids up there. I'm like, well, they're trained,
Speaker 3: young adults, and they you know, like it's hard sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, people people don't realize that it is a
Speaker 3: business too. You know, it's not just a you know,
Speaker 3: this is my livelihood now, because yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: you got to do what you got to do sometimes
Speaker 3: to uh not that I'm doing it to try to
Speaker 3: get anybody you know, in trouble or anything like that.
Speaker 3: But it's it is a business, so you can't just
Speaker 3: turn people away. And when people want to come there,
Speaker 3: you know, you just got to take the right precautions exactly.
Speaker 1: And that also, you know, sometimes I deal with panicky
Speaker 1: parents a lot, and you know, especially when I tour
Speaker 1: and whatnot, they ask me questions and I always I
Speaker 1: tell them, like, you know, your kids could be into
Speaker 1: much worse things, like this is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most safe hobbies and interest your children could have. Like
Speaker 1: what they want to do is go sit in a
Speaker 1: quiet place and not move for hours at a time.
Speaker 1: And when they're not doing that, they want to be
Speaker 1: researching and looking into history and ancestry records and old newspapers,
Speaker 1: and they want to learn about you know, electromagnetic fields
Speaker 1: and like there are much worse things and living people
Speaker 1: are so much scarier than the dead ones. Like just
Speaker 1: let them have their moment, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even the kids sometimes think outside the
Speaker 3: box more than the adults do.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, oh, one hundred percent. My daughter is twelve
Speaker 1: and she loves to investigate. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: very cool anymore, but that part, I guess is still
Speaker 1: pretty cool to her. So I let her run wild
Speaker 1: in locations. I'm like, oh, have fun as long as
Speaker 1: it's safe, obviously, but you know, I just she'll go
Speaker 1: off by herself and just have a field day. And
Speaker 1: I just love how she's so thoughtful. And I watch
Speaker 1: other kids too, and teenagers. They're so thoughtful and they're
Speaker 1: questioning and you know, in their approach, and they're not
Speaker 1: they don't scream and yell, they're not like super scared
Speaker 1: like I just I love it, and I think it's
Speaker 1: such a cool growing experience. So I love that you
Speaker 1: bring students up there. I think that's rad absolutely. So now,
Speaker 1: what what do people like when people go in to investigate?
Speaker 1: What do you think is like the most common activity
Speaker 1: they're going to experience there?
Speaker 2: EVPs?
Speaker 3: You know most of the time, you know, I've been
Speaker 3: I've been keeping records since since I've owned the place
Speaker 3: actually from before that, and collecting the data on what
Speaker 3: teams have gotten. I'd say like probably like fifty to
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the time they may encounter some type
Speaker 3: of shadow figure in the location. Almost almost one hundred
Speaker 3: percent of the time they're getting electromagnetic frequency different MF spikes, EVPs,
Speaker 3: things like that. So I mean you're it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a hotbed for it. It's like the energies there want
Speaker 3: to speak with you, but they don't have the means
Speaker 3: to do it. So I always like tell people to
Speaker 3: try to do the recordings or bring it spearbox. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel like the spirits they're kind
Speaker 1: of crazy attention or they've gotten used to, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to the living and that like this is some
Speaker 1: outlet for them, or like they're actually looking for something
Speaker 1: or what do you think they're getting out of it?
Speaker 1: As well?
Speaker 2: I think that they're they're trying to like tell us
Speaker 2: their story.
Speaker 3: Because we've been able to piece together through different teams
Speaker 3: that have come there, not just from my research but
Speaker 3: other teams that have come there. We've been able to
Speaker 3: like pitpoint, Okay, look at this. This team they had
Speaker 3: an EVP that said, you know, dig outside, dig outside,
Speaker 3: you know, like it kept getting it over and over
Speaker 3: again to the point where we started looking, Okay, we
Speaker 3: look outside, Maybe we need to Maybe there's more to
Speaker 3: this story. Maybe this is what they're trying to tell us.
Speaker 3: When we filmed Death Walker there, we were able to
Speaker 3: use some of the funds for the show to bring
Speaker 3: in the ground penetrating radar and actually start searching part
Speaker 3: of the property. And we found some anomalies out in
Speaker 3: the back that look like grave chefs, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Out in the back right corner by the pond, it
Speaker 3: looks like a family burial plot. Though it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like anything malicious, you know, it looks like that they're
Speaker 3: just gone. Gravestone was the graystone was thrown into the water.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they were trying to tell us that
Speaker 3: that they're forgotten when we built the pond, and it's
Speaker 3: on the gravestone, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and that's you know, I've been on a number
Speaker 1: of cases where that has caused activity. You know, I
Speaker 1: think people care about their final resting place more than
Speaker 1: we realize they do, you know, until till they come
Speaker 1: and tell us repeatedly after they die. And uh, I
Speaker 1: think that's so interesting. Have you considered putting some sort
Speaker 1: of like memorial out there just in case or do
Speaker 1: you kind of put your respects there occasionally?
Speaker 3: Weird? So we've raised raised funds through doing tours and
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Uh well, a team a team out of all.
Speaker 3: But in New York I actually had a plaque that
Speaker 3: it made and dedicated to the people that were that
Speaker 3: are there, and that's going to be installed in the spring,
Speaker 3: and then we we're going to put like an iron
Speaker 3: gate around it just the area that we found it,
Speaker 3: just to honor them, so that, you know, and that
Speaker 3: just adds another piece to the puzzle. Because the woman
Speaker 3: in white that walks around the pond or you know,
Speaker 3: that was supposed to be on the hanging tree on
Speaker 3: the you know from the original story, could that just
Speaker 3: be these people that were buried they're trying to get
Speaker 3: our attention. You know, there's like so many like sands
Speaker 3: or butts. You know, I don't know that we'll have
Speaker 3: the answers for sure, one hundred percent, but it seems
Speaker 3: like so interesting to find something like that and then
Speaker 3: continue to you know, search and maybe find out something more.
Speaker 2: You know, what more can there be?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's pretty mind blowing. Have you has
Speaker 1: there been anything else kind of like that or anything
Speaker 1: like have you found anything in the house that really
Speaker 1: struck you or have you had any just like profound
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence or research that just really like affected
Speaker 1: you in any way?
Speaker 2: I Mean, we found like typical things that you would
Speaker 2: find like building a house, like pieces of clothing carved.
Speaker 2: We had some carvings that we found that were carved
Speaker 2: like bullheads. But then after we researched it all was
Speaker 2: I was freaked out about those because we found two
Speaker 2: of them, and I was like, what the heck does
Speaker 2: this mean to? You know, like, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: How many more of these are on the walls? You know?
Speaker 2: And yeah, one of my one.
Speaker 3: Of the girls on my research team, found out that
Speaker 3: they were like neckerchief slides for the Boys and Boys
Speaker 3: Boy Scouts from the nineteen seventies. I'm like, what And
Speaker 3: then when you research the house and find out that
Speaker 3: the McMahon's that lived there were Scout leaders and the
Speaker 3: kids were in the Scout troop, makes sense, But how
Speaker 3: did they get in the walls? You know, like it's
Speaker 3: it's weird.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. The kids were probably up in the
Speaker 1: attic or something messing around and maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but the attic is a crawl space. It's not
Speaker 3: something to like go into, you know, So I don't know, jeez.
Speaker 1: No, that's yeah, that would have probably caught me off
Speaker 1: guard too. It's I just think it's so like I
Speaker 1: live on a three hundred year old house. And it's
Speaker 1: just always amazing to me, you know what what we
Speaker 1: find even to this day, you know. And uh, and
Speaker 1: so I just I'm always fascinated when people start trying
Speaker 1: to clean out old houses and tearing into walls and stuff,
Speaker 1: what they find was I I think I read like
Speaker 1: when you bought it, the black mold was like insane.
Speaker 1: Did you get all of that cleared out?
Speaker 3: The whole kitchen ceiling was like sinking in from black mold.
Speaker 3: It was it was disgusting, It wasn't even it wasn't
Speaker 3: really even safe to be in, you know. No, but
Speaker 3: that that was like one of the first things we
Speaker 3: had to get done, and even in order to let people.
Speaker 2: Come in there. And there was five hundred five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand honey bees too in the.
Speaker 1: Wall, I know. And so you relocated those, yes.
Speaker 2: I did. I felt very highly about doing that.
Speaker 1: That that way, that's great. Oh no, especially bees, like
Speaker 1: we need them. We need the bees. I I I
Speaker 1: think that as investigators we sometimes go into places like
Speaker 1: I don't want to think ad but like I think
Speaker 1: about all the places I've gone in that are probably
Speaker 1: just they were filled with asbestos and black mold and
Speaker 1: batguano and whatever else dust I've sucked into my lungs
Speaker 1: over the years.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I think it's very admirable that you
Speaker 1: were able to get in and clean all that out
Speaker 1: and then also save the bees. So you definitely like
Speaker 1: you are hero status at this point.
Speaker 3: And you can get the honey on Root sixteen on
Speaker 3: your way from Buffalo to Thensdale House. You see what
Speaker 3: sign It says Hauntingsdale Honey on the right side. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm like, no, please, just you know, sell it.
Speaker 1: I have a whole history with haunted honey. People will
Speaker 1: know if they're listening. We did an experiment on Kindred
Speaker 1: Spirits where we uh we use haunted honey for an experience,
Speaker 1: but for this experiment, but it was honey from like
Speaker 1: a cemetery in England.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: These bees were pollinating on the flowers in this graveyard.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a whole thing. So I I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that so much. Cool Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: so if people want to visit the house and support
Speaker 1: you in any way, what do they need to do?
Speaker 1: They do they go to the website. Do you have
Speaker 1: social media?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's my name is Daniel Class. It's spelled
Speaker 3: kla e s and it's Daniel Class dot com and
Speaker 3: all my links will be on there for the Hinsdale House.
Speaker 2: If you want to do a booking, it's all done online.
Speaker 2: Tours are on there.
Speaker 3: Events, anything else that I'm involved with, as far as
Speaker 3: paranormal goes, there'll be links for on there.
Speaker 2: Check it out, all right.
Speaker 1: I think that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That hard to find.
Speaker 1: No, I love that. Thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time, and hopefully I'll get up that way because
Speaker 1: I would love to pay a visit. I want to
Speaker 1: see what you've done with the place.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 1: We may never know what secrets the Hinsdale House is keeping,
Speaker 1: or why it's as spiritually active as a it is. However,
Speaker 1: one fact seems crystal clear. Whatever dwells in the home,
Speaker 1: it wants to be left alone. My name is Amy
Speaker 1: Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky.
Speaker 1: Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy brune
Speaker 1: with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is
Speaker 1: edited and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with
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