1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Haunted roadies, I know you like spooky stuff, That's 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: why you're here. But have you taken it a step 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: further and joined the Paranormal Circle yet? The Paranormal Circle 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: is an online community that I created for all of 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: us ghost nerds. It focused on ghosts, hauntings, paranormal investigations, research, 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: you name it. 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Full disclosure, 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: it's eight to ten dollars a month, but I think 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: what you get for that is pretty incredible. So please 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: check it out. Join us if you dare. We'll see 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: you out there. Thank you, Haunted Roadies. The following is 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: an excerpt from the Buffalo News, February twenty third, nineteen 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: seventy four. The troubles in the house, which is awky 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: by a couple and their four children, began in July 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: when a lamp sailed across the bedroom of one of 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: the girls. Because she was the only one involved, the 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: reaction was that an overactive imagination was at work. But 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: then the entire family began hearing strange noises and seeing apparitions, 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: and when father alphonsis a member of the American Society 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: of Psychical Research and the Venerable Society of Psychical Research 40 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: of Britain was asked to visit the home. He found 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: that some of the neighbors also had seen apparitions near 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: the house. One night, two twenty year old boys volunteered 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: to stay in the house and watch for apparitions. Father 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Alphonsis said about two point thirty in the morning, they 45 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: heard a noise and ran out into the backyard. They 46 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: saw a strange figure, cornered him against a tree, and 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: took a picture of him with a polaroid. Before they 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: could try to seize him, he moved to the rear 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: of the tree and then disappeared. It was a moonlit 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: night and the tree was on a large lot, so 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: they could see for quite a distance. The ground was 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: very rough, they'd had trouble moving on it, and they 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: were sure no human could cover it in the time 54 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: they got to the other side of the tree. I 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: sent the picture to the American Psychic Society and they 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: advised me the creature in it was a spirit, and that, 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: my friends, was only the beginning. If you'd like to 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: know more, come with me as we visit the Hinsdale House. 59 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. If you 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: travel to Hinsdale, New York, which is just under an 61 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: hour and a half southwest of Buffalo. You might be 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: tempted to turn down a particular dirt road. If you do, 63 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: eventually you'll hit a tree lined clearing, and in that 64 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: clearing you'll see a house. It's unassuming, with white paneling 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: and a basic black roof. About half of the eleven 66 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: hundred square foot home is a single story with a 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: partial second floor that holds three small bedrooms. The inside 68 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: is similarly unremarkable. White furniture sits in white rooms, all 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: of which are clean and well lit. There are five 70 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: bedrooms total, a living room and what Clara Miller called 71 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: a country kitchen in her book Echoes of a Haunting Revisited. 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: This is the Hinsdale House and it was built in 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty three in Hinsdale, New York, which is how 74 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: it got its name. It sold a number of times, 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: and for over a century the residents that lived there 76 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: lived uneventful lives. Then in nineteen seventy the Dandy family 77 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: moved in. Clara and Phil Dandy had four children, teenagers 78 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: Mike and Beth, ten year old Laura, and eight year 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: old Mary. According to Clara's book. They were also animal lovers, 80 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: with a number of pets, including four guinea pigs, two dogs, 81 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: two parakeets, two finches, and a cat. They also had 82 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: some more unusual companions, including a raccoon and a woodchuck. Later, 83 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: they also took in a descented skunk. And they didn't 84 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: live in the Hinsdale House for long before strange things 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: began to happen. On July eighteenth, which was the day 86 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: they finished moving in, they were prepared to handle a 87 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: fixer upper that would need serious TLC to get into 88 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: livable condition. They knew the only way to light the 89 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: furnace was to drop a match into a hole in 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: the living room floor. Their septic tank was an old 91 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: oil drum, and the plumbing needed a complete overhaul. But 92 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: they didn't expect to find a swarm of bees inside. 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: There were so many that they covered every window in 94 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: the house. Clara later wrote in her book that they 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 1: couldn't even see outside. They consulted with an insect expert, 96 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: who told them that this behavior was very abnormal for bees. 97 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: By the following May, life in the Hnsdale House had 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: become even stranger. While out on a walk, the family 99 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: heard distant singing. It was almost like Gregorian chance, but 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: Clara later wrote that the singing abruptly shifted to be 101 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: more of a spoken prayer. Nights later, the Dandies were 102 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: on another walk when they heard something that was far 103 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: more unsettling, a woman screaming. Afterward, any time they went 104 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: strolling around the property, they'd be unable to avoid the 105 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: disturbing sounds. By the end of June, the Dandies were 106 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: hearing similarly unsettling sounds inside. The Distinct thuds of doors 107 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: slamming and objects falling echoed through the hallways. But no 108 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: matter how long they searched, they couldn't find where the 109 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: disturbances had come from. And whenever they let their dogs 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: run around in the woods, they'd return with bones, heaps 111 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: of them. The Dandies assumed they were deer bones, so 112 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: they threw them out without taking a closer look. All 113 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: the while, different kids from the neighborhood approached the Dandy children. 114 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: They said that a strange, dark figure, thought to be 115 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: a ghost, was known to walk up and down their street. 116 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: On one occasion, Mike, the oldest, was outdoors with friends 117 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: when he also spotted the figure, but he didn't assume 118 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: it was a ghost. He thought it was a local farmer. Still, 119 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: when his friends decided to chase the figure, Mike joined in. 120 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: They ran after the man just long enough for him 121 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: to take shelter behind a tree and then seemingly vanish 122 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: without a trace. In addition to the ghostly figures, the 123 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Dandies frequently saw flying saucers in the area. They moved 124 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: quickly and in ways that should have been impossible for 125 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: ordinary craft, and before long the family began suffering from 126 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: odd accidents. Mike, the oldest, was in a car with 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: some friends when another car tee owned him. He survived 128 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the collision, but another time, while he was at home, 129 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: he spilled boiling water on himself and badly burned his stomach, 130 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: and while cutting glass, he cut a tendon in his hand. 131 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Then he was in another car aciscident, this time he 132 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: hit a patch of ice, lost control and struck a tree. Thankfully, 133 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: Mike survived this collision, but he was then in yet 134 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: another crash, after which he had to spend a week 135 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: in the ICU recovering. The second oldest, Beth, fell one 136 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: day in jim class. She broke her arm badly enough 137 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: that it never healed correctly, and her ex boyfriend was 138 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: also in a car accident after visiting her at home. 139 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: His recovery was long and slow and prevented him from 140 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: getting a job for years afterward. The third Dandy child, Laura, 141 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: took a bad tumble off her bike one day. One 142 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: of the cuts on her foot developed a staff infection. Finally, 143 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: the youngest Mary cut her face badly when she also 144 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: fell off her bike. But it wasn't just the children 145 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: who suffered from these accidents. If they were indeed accidents, 146 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: different HouseGuests and friends of the family broke bones in 147 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: bad falls or got into car crashes. So did the 148 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: mother Clara. Her husband Phil was even driven off the 149 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: road on one occasion and badly cut his thumb another time. 150 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: They came to believe that dark forces were trying to 151 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: drive the Dandies out of their home by causing disasters 152 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: to strike, and the pets weren't safe either. Clara wrote 153 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: in her book that she let numerous animals stay with 154 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: Mary in her room, and one by one, a guinea pig, 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: a parakeet, and a canary all died, all within just 156 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: two months of one another. When the family consulted with 157 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: a vet. The only advice they received was to not 158 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: let pets into that room anymore. Even though the Dandies 159 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: did as they were told, they still went on to 160 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: lose the remaining parakeet, the finches, more guinea pigs, the cat, 161 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: and one of their dogs. Then one evening, Beth woke 162 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: up in the night to feel something furry on her face. 163 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Her first thought was that it was one of their animals, 164 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: until the thing attacked her. She threw it off of herself, 165 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: but didn't see it or hear it land. It was 166 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: as though the strange creature had disappeared mid air. Even 167 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: odder she screamed loudly enough to wake her mother and 168 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: Clara knew that none of their pets had gone into 169 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Beth's room that night. Instead, it seemed she'd been attacked 170 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: by a specter. The night after that, several board games 171 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: fell off a bookshelf and onto Mike while he was sleeping. Oddly, 172 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: there had been other items stacked on top of the games, 173 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: but they didn't fall. They were still safe on the shelf. 174 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: The next night after that, everyone was watching the TV 175 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: together when they noticed that a letter opener was sitting 176 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: laid down on a photo of Mary, as though someone 177 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: had left it there, poised in a stabbing position. After that, 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: the Dandies would often go to bed only to hear 179 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: footsteps pacing up and down the halls. No one had 180 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: left their room, and they couldn't determine who was making 181 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: the sounds. It was frightening enough that the children refused 182 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: to leave their rooms alone after bedtime. If one of 183 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: them needed to use the bathroom or get a drink 184 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: of water, they'd bring a sibling with them. They all 185 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: frequently saw inexplicable figures in the house and on the 186 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: property around it. A dancing woman, a young boy walking 187 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: toward the pond, a different woman in a long flannel 188 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: nightgown with brown hair, and a young blonde girl in 189 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: a pink cap. It even seemed that these spirits had 190 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: the ability to possess the Dandies and their guests. Clara 191 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: wrote in her book that when her son Mike had 192 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: friends over to the house, they sometimes changed personality on 193 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: a dime, as though someone else had seized control of 194 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: their bodies. Plus, her daughter Beth had naturally brown eyes, 195 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: but sometimes they'd turn blue, and then she'd behave erratically. 196 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: She interacted with animals or objects no one else could see, 197 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: and on multiple occasions attempted to take her own life. 198 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: Her family believed she was under another entity's control during 199 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: these periods. Her sister Laura also made an eerie prediction 200 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: during an apparent bosess, She said that she would die young. 201 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: By this time, the Dandy family felt certain that something 202 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: supernatural was tormenting them, so one night, the children consulted 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: with a Ouiji board to try and determine who was 204 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: behind the apparent haunting. They asked the force in the 205 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: house to identify itself, only for their planchette to fly 206 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: out of their hands. It hit a candle which they 207 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: always kept burning in front of a statue of the 208 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary, and when the candle tipped over, the flames 209 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: sputtered out. They then consulted with Clara's cousin, a priest 210 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: named Father Bob. Clara wrote in Echoes of a Haunting 211 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Revisited that Father Bob didn't have much prior experience with 212 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: supernatural incidents or hauntings, but he promised to see what 213 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: he could do. On April fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, he 214 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: blessed the home, but the unnerving incidents continued afterward, so 215 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: a few days later, the Dandies reached out to another priest, 216 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Father Alpha Trobolt. He had more of a history with 217 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: the occult, so he also blessed the house on a 218 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: number of occasions, culminating with a ritual he performed on 219 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: August twenty ninth. Now officially, a Catholic doctrine says you 220 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: can't exercise a house only a possessed person, so Father 221 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: Alphonss has always been clear that his ritual was not 222 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: an exorcism, but a cleansing. While Father Alphonsis tried to 223 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: cast out evil spirits, he heard screams, groans, and growling sounds, 224 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: but none of the Dandies perceived any such thing, and sadly, 225 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: his efforts didn't work and the haunting continued. By now, 226 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: the eerie incidents had made it into the local news 227 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: and it was public knowledge that the Hnsdale House was 228 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: apparently haunted. This only added to the Dandies' feelings of frustration. 229 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: Gawkers would drive by their home only to slow down 230 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: so drivers and passengers could stare. Other times, strangers would 231 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: pull over and shout things at them like that ghosts 232 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: don't exist. The Dandies didn't like the attention they were getting, 233 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and they also didn't like the way gossip was flying. 234 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: It seemed everyone had a theory about why the home 235 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: was so spiritually active. Rumors suggested that the members of 236 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: an indigenous community had either been slaughtered on the land 237 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: where the house was built, or that there had been 238 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: an old Indigenous gravesite on the property, but there's no 239 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: hard evidence to support either allegation. Other gossip had some 240 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: basis in history, like the story that there had once 241 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: been a stagecoach stop and ind owned by brothers Ian 242 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: and Richard. The siblings were sexual predators, thieves, and murderers. 243 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Any unwary travelers who stopped at their inn would fall 244 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: prey to the brothers, who'd rob and then kill their customers. 245 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: It said that they murdered one woman, whose name was Elizabeth, 246 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: by hanging her from a tree. Elizabeth was pregnant, and 247 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: some believed that both her spirit and that of her 248 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: unborn child remained to haunt the land as the story went. 249 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Many of Ian and Richard's other victims were buried in 250 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: the basement of the stagecoach stop and later the Hinsdale House. 251 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Was built on that secret grave. Now, there really was 252 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: an inn in the area, but it wasn't at the 253 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Hinsdale House, and there's no record of any owners named 254 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: Richard or Ian or any indication that previous owners murdered 255 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: their customers, so this story is almost entirely unverified. Other 256 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: people believe the house was cursed after a teenager named 257 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Alfred Warren died in a tragic chainsaw accident on the property. 258 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Alfred was a real person who did die in a 259 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: chainsaw accident, but again not at the Hinsdale House. All 260 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: to say, there was no clear reason why the Dandyes 261 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: Home was so active, given that there was nothing in 262 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: the history to explain such darkness either way, Since the 263 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: blessings and exorcisms hadn't worked, the family was starting to 264 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: feel hopeless, like they'd never understand the spirits that were 265 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: tormenting them or find a way to be rid of them. 266 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: Having exhausted every other option they could think of, they 267 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: moved out in October of nineteen seventy four, even though 268 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: they'd be unable to find a buyer for the house. 269 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: By this time, they were bankrupt and their marriage was 270 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: so strained that Clara and phil subsequently divorced in nineteen eighty. Afterwards, 271 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: she used the name Clara Miller, which is the name 272 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: she published her book under. As for their eldest daughter, Laura, 273 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: who prophesied an early death while apparently possessed tragically, she 274 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: passed away just over a decade later, in nineteen ninety two. 275 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: She was only thirty one years old. A number of 276 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: other families moved into the Hinsdale House over the years, 277 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: but each time someone would settle in, it was only 278 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: a matter of time before the haunting became too much 279 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: to bear. One family moved out in such a rush 280 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: they left all of their possessions behind. They were quoted 281 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: in Hinsdale House, An American Haunting by Daniel Klass and 282 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: Tim Joyce. They said, I didn't want whatever was haunting 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: the house to know we were leaving so we could 284 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: get away from it, and I don't want it to 285 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: know where we are now. Speaking of Daniel Klass, he 286 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: bought the house in twenty fifteen, saving it just in 287 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: the nick of time from demolition. He cleaned out the 288 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: toxic black mold that had spread all through it, re 289 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: homed the bees, and renovated it until it was safe 290 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: for guests. Then he marketed it as a haunted house 291 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: open to tourists and paranormal investigators. Today, visitors reportedly see shadow 292 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: figures in full bodied apparitions. They may hear footsteps or 293 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: voices in rooms that appear to be empty or heavy breathing. 294 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: Beyond that, the house just leaves guests with an uneasy 295 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: sensation like that of being watched. Some people struggle to breathe, 296 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: almost as though unseen hands are choking them. Mary's bedroom 297 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: is said to be the most active part of the house. 298 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: Their researchers have captured EVPs of a voice saying I'm 299 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: dead or there is no heaven, and yet it's still 300 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: unclear what draws spirits here. Up next, I'm going to 301 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: be joined by the owner of the house himself, mister 302 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: Daniel Class, and he has a lot of very interesting 303 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: stories to tell that is coming up after the break. 304 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: All right, So I am now joined by Daniel Class, 305 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: who is the owner of the Hinsdale House, and welcome 306 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: to the program. Daniel, I appreciate you taking the time. 307 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for so much for having me here. 308 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I've kind of said this a few times 309 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: this season, but this is kind of turning into the 310 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: season of places Amy has never been. You know, there's 311 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: a lot of locations that I've not been able to visit, 312 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, the first few seasons of Haunted Road, Like, 313 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: we're kind of getting to the point where I'm looking 314 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: at locations that I haven't by to or before it 315 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: was so easy to kind of pick the ones I 316 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: had visited, and now my interest is just peaked all 317 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: over again in some of these places. And I am 318 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: fascinated by the Hinsdale House. So first of all, I 319 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: just need to know how did you come to own 320 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: this place and why? 321 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: Well, it was just, you know, like any other ghost 322 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: hunting team, we were, you know, we were asked to 323 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: go up there and check the place out, and it 324 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: hadn't been lived in for years. 325 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: But there are so many claims with the location. 326 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: They had a failed exorcism in the nineteen seventies, and 327 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: just so much you know creepiness, creepy vibe going there. 328 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: I had gone there. I didn't own it, just wanted 329 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: to check it out. But the thing. 330 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: That really stood out to me about this location, and 331 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: I'm sure you can attest to it when you go 332 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: to a place to investigate you don't automatically just get stuff, 333 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: you know, like sometimes you sit around for three hours 334 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: and you're a static getting an EVP, you know. And 335 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: the thing that stood out about the Hinsdale House was 336 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: when I went there to investigate, it seemed like every 337 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: piece of equipment. 338 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: That we had was going off. Now there was no electricity. 339 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: We had one little heater going in the house, so 340 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: I mean it was there's nothing really that could make 341 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: the equipment go off that we could debunks. 342 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: In the middle of nowhere on a mountain. 343 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: You know. It was like it always reminded me of 344 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: like that commercial with the chains I was hanging on 345 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: the garage when you drive up and you're like, oh, 346 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: let's go hide in there. 347 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: It's like that's what it kind of felt like for me, 348 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: you know. 349 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I just like you had an interest 350 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: in it and continued to go there and research it 351 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: because it was so active of a location. And then 352 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: I was just in such disrepair that they were going 353 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: to tear it down and I put in a bid 354 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: to try to buy it as is so I could 355 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: try fixing it up and continue using it for research, 356 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: and the bank allowed me to do that. So it's 357 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: kind of what it's been part of my journey, you know, 358 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: just fixing this place, letting people come in to investigate 359 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: it and see what they come up with. 360 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: Now, so it's been about ten years, right, didn't you 361 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: buy it in twenty fifteen. 362 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been been almost ten years now. It's crazy. 363 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it. It seems like just the 364 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: blink in the eye where I was scurrying around not 365 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: knowing how it was going to get the roof fixed. 366 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: And now it's like, my god, I have teams there 367 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: almost every day from all around the world. You know, 368 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: it's become so popular of a location. You know, it's 369 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: it's amazing the support that we have there. 370 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting. And so now this is kind of exclusively 371 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: a paranormal investigation location, right, It's I assume that you 372 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: don't live there and that this is kind of like like, 373 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: this is what it has become, is this is a 374 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: place for people to investigate and tour. 375 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 376 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's basically all it is. It's 377 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: a We do tours tours there during the day. I 378 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: have some tour guides that work for us, and then 379 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: we allow teams to come in or groups, paranormal enthusiast. 380 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: We have things for every level of investigation, you know, 381 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: like we kind of weave them out, kind of determine 382 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: where where their levels are at, and then. 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: We don't leave anybody just stranded there, you know, unless 384 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: they know what they're doing. 385 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. So I feel like, you know, 386 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: I've spoken with so many people like you who have 387 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: kind of taken on these locations. It always seems like 388 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: the person who ends up helming something like this, it's 389 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: kind of destiny. Did you kind of feel like you 390 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: were meant to be doing this, like you were meant 391 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: to kind of save this house in a way. 392 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 393 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: And I actually I used to do a podcast with 394 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: a psychic named Bernice Golden that said that to me. 395 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: She said, I was I was meant to be there 396 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 3: and stepped in at the right time, at the right place, 397 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: And a lot of what she said to me, you know, 398 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: I look back at the conversation with you. She's since 399 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: passed away, but a lot of what she has said 400 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: has come to fruition, you know, like I would have 401 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: never thought where I would be where I am today 402 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: just because I bought a haunted house. You know, it 403 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: was something that I enjoyed doing, and now it's become 404 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: a business and that's spread onto other things like making 405 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: television shows, Haunted magazine, you know, all these different things 406 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: that and I just get to do what I like 407 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: to do. You know, it's awesome just because I bought 408 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: this house and we're uncovering all these amazing secrets and 409 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: stories even further, we're able to dive in deeper than 410 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: a normal person could because we own the place, you know, 411 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 3: and we're able to put the time into it. 412 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: I can relate on so many levels. You know, when 413 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: I started what I do as a paranormal enthusiast and 414 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: a fan of all things ghosts and just really loving 415 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: it and never quite having a clear plan of where 416 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: I was going to end up. I just knew I 417 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: wanted to keep, you know, being spooky for as long 418 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: as possible, and so so I can definitely relate now. 419 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: So you were talking about how you first went in 420 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: the house and you know, your equipment was going wild, 421 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: Like when did you like is that when you knew 422 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: it was there was something to this or how did 423 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: you have like a profound experience there where you were 424 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: like whoa this place is truly, you know, next level haunted. 425 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically they were condemning the location. We were 426 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: allowed to go there one last time before they were 427 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: going to be tearing it down, and alls I had 428 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: known up to that point was the failed Structural exorcism 429 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy. 430 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: Four, and I had started to do more research. 431 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: I said, if this has happened to this family in 432 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: the seventies, there had to be other people that these 433 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: hauntings happened, you know to, throughout the years. The problem 434 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: was it was a landlease, so it was hard to 435 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: get the records of the people that live there. But 436 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: I had come across the YouTube video about this older 437 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: family that lived there in the eighties, the Misnics, and 438 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: they had both since passed away. So I kind of 439 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: had like new goals. 440 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: When I went to the house's final time, I was 441 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: in the kitchen. We had a camera. 442 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: It was me and actually Tim Shaw, my friend Cameron, 443 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: and the house manager at the time, and they were 444 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 3: talking about the exorcism and we weren't really getting anything, 445 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: you know, Like it was like when I as soon 446 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: as I said the name Flow, who was the older 447 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: woman that was there that passed away, I had like 448 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: a jolting sensation on my arm. I had a K 449 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 3: two meter in my hand. It went all the way 450 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: up to five hundred milligus and I felt like static, 451 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 3: and I was like, what the what the heck? You know, 452 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 3: so I continue to have what I felt like was 453 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 3: a conversation with flow Misnick, and I asked her if 454 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 3: she would hold my hand as we go up the stairs. 455 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: And you know, as well as I do like having 456 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: a K two meter, you maybe get like a little 457 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: bleep here or there. Maybe that's something communicating with you. You 458 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: don't know for sure. But when I felt that static 459 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: on my arm and the K two meter stayed lit 460 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: in my hand all the way up the stairs into 461 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 3: the master bedroom, I was like, what you know, I 462 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 3: was just freaking out internally because I've never had an 463 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: experience like this before. Now this is you know, all 464 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: the electricals been ripped out of the house, you know, 465 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: all the duck work. I mean, it's just a shell 466 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: right now. And I lost when I went over into 467 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 3: the crossed over into the room where they said the 468 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 3: was blocked off at the nineteen seventies. To add further 469 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: to that, the next day, you know, I you know, 470 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: I posted on my Facebook page picture of the house 471 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is where I investigated last night. 472 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: You know, how like cool people do you know? And 473 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: I got a message. I got a message on my 474 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: inbox from a girl named Jackie Chandra and she said, uh, 475 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: she was asked, my grandparents hold the house? And I said, 476 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: you got to f and be kidding here right now. 477 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: And I said, who are your grandparents? 478 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: And she said Flow and Joe Misnik And you know, 479 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 3: we've been friends ever since that message that she sent me, 480 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: and I told her the story, and she said she 481 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: felt very connected with her grandmother there and she's she's 482 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: had things happen to her there when she was a kid, 483 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: and she's very much into it as well and actually 484 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 3: helps do tours up there now to this day. I mean, 485 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: it's just crazy, but yeah, I mean that was the 486 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: point where I said, I need to try to save 487 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: this house because there's more than meets the eye. There's 488 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: more happening here than anybody thinks there is, and we 489 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: need to try to figure this out. And if we 490 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: get rid of it, it's just another one of those 491 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: storied locations that it's gone. 492 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: Forever, you know, yeah, I love when there's a family 493 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: connection in some way. You know, I do a lot 494 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: of research and locations, and you know a lot of 495 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: times I am, you know, researching people who are long gone, 496 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: and it's always nice if I can connect with someone 497 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: who knew who I'm researching in life, or who had 498 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: been to the location in life, because you get this 499 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: kind of first hand account. It's so much more meaningful 500 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: than you know, just reading an old newspaper article or something. 501 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, those land leases, those are very tough to research. 502 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: So I feel your pain there, just kind of going 503 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: through the history of the house and like what people 504 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: had gone through there over the years. There was just 505 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: this kind of it seems like you thought that maybe 506 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: it was cursed in some way. You know, people had 507 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: a lot of unfortunate events. Some of them were very minor, 508 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: some of them were more major. Did you worry about 509 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: that when you bought it? 510 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 3: Of course, I mean it's it's it's always in the 511 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 3: back of your mind that there was a failed structural exorcism, 512 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: and all the papers from the nineteen seventies they're talking 513 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: demonic things happening there. 514 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: But you have to take a deep breath. 515 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: And kind of just look at the bigger picture, you know, 516 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: like things that they deemed demonic back in the seventies. 517 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 3: You know, everything was a demon back then, you know. 518 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 3: So yeah, you have to like go through your go 519 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: through with what experiences that I've had and what other 520 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: people have had, and make sure that the warnings are 521 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: out there. Of course, take precautions, but continue to investigate 522 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: it as if it's a normal location. 523 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: You know. 524 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never had anything like crazy crazy happen there, 525 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: except for it seems like a big puzzle, you know, 526 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: like once you figure something out, something there's more to it. 527 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: And there have been. 528 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: People there that have have been claims of getting like scratched, 529 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: you know, but we've you know, nothing like crazy crazy, you. 530 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Know, right now. And I think I do have to 531 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: still kind of bring people back from that perspective when 532 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: I meet folks. You know, I'm a child of the eighties, 533 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: so like I remember this very well, but I sometimes 534 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: have to kind of bring people back from that satanic 535 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: panic era where you know, it was in the seventies 536 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: and eighties, Like you said, everything was a demon, you know, 537 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: the Exorcist was a major hit, and we had, you know, 538 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: things like the omen and pop culture heavily influenced how 539 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: people interpreted hauntings and paranormal activity. The fact that I'm 540 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: still dealing with that today and you as well, it 541 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: really kind of puts in a perspective just how deeply 542 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: ingrained these ideas were in people, Like they were absolutely terrified, 543 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: but I would also argue, very intrigued at the same time. 544 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: So, yeah, you should see some of the some of 545 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: the male I get from people when I have a 546 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: group of students up there that have been trained. You know, 547 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: we have like paranormal clubs and some of the schools know, 548 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: and we'll go in and we'll train the kids and 549 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: they have them come up as a do an investigation. 550 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: And man that people some people are just so why 551 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 3: are you bringing kids up there. I'm like, well, they're trained, 552 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: young adults, and they you know, like it's hard sometimes, 553 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: you know, people people don't realize that it is a 554 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 3: business too. You know, it's not just a you know, 555 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: this is my livelihood now, because yeah, you know, it's 556 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: you got to do what you got to do sometimes 557 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: to uh not that I'm doing it to try to 558 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: get anybody you know, in trouble or anything like that. 559 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: But it's it is a business, so you can't just 560 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: turn people away. And when people want to come there, 561 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: you know, you just got to take the right precautions exactly. 562 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: And that also, you know, sometimes I deal with panicky 563 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: parents a lot, and you know, especially when I tour 564 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: and whatnot, they ask me questions and I always I 565 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: tell them, like, you know, your kids could be into 566 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: much worse things, like this is probably one of the 567 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: most safe hobbies and interest your children could have. Like 568 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: what they want to do is go sit in a 569 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: quiet place and not move for hours at a time. 570 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: And when they're not doing that, they want to be 571 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: researching and looking into history and ancestry records and old newspapers, 572 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: and they want to learn about you know, electromagnetic fields 573 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: and like there are much worse things and living people 574 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: are so much scarier than the dead ones. Like just 575 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: let them have their moment, you know. 576 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even the kids sometimes think outside the 577 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: box more than the adults do. 578 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: It's crazy, oh, one hundred percent. My daughter is twelve 579 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: and she loves to investigate. And you know, I'm not 580 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: very cool anymore, but that part, I guess is still 581 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: pretty cool to her. So I let her run wild 582 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: in locations. I'm like, oh, have fun as long as 583 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: it's safe, obviously, but you know, I just she'll go 584 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: off by herself and just have a field day. And 585 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: I just love how she's so thoughtful. And I watch 586 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: other kids too, and teenagers. They're so thoughtful and they're 587 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: questioning and you know, in their approach, and they're not 588 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: they don't scream and yell, they're not like super scared 589 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: like I just I love it, and I think it's 590 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: such a cool growing experience. So I love that you 591 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: bring students up there. I think that's rad absolutely. So now, 592 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: what what do people like when people go in to investigate? 593 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: What do you think is like the most common activity 594 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: they're going to experience there? 595 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: EVPs? 596 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: You know most of the time, you know, I've been 597 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: I've been keeping records since since I've owned the place 598 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: actually from before that, and collecting the data on what 599 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 3: teams have gotten. I'd say like probably like fifty to 600 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: sixty percent of the time they may encounter some type 601 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 3: of shadow figure in the location. Almost almost one hundred 602 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: percent of the time they're getting electromagnetic frequency different MF spikes, EVPs, 603 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: things like that. So I mean you're it's it's it's 604 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: a hotbed for it. It's like the energies there want 605 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: to speak with you, but they don't have the means 606 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: to do it. So I always like tell people to 607 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: try to do the recordings or bring it spearbox. Yeah. 608 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel like the spirits they're kind 609 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: of crazy attention or they've gotten used to, you know, 610 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: talking to the living and that like this is some 611 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: outlet for them, or like they're actually looking for something 612 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: or what do you think they're getting out of it? 613 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: As well? 614 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: I think that they're they're trying to like tell us 615 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: their story. 616 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: Because we've been able to piece together through different teams 617 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: that have come there, not just from my research but 618 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: other teams that have come there. We've been able to 619 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 3: like pitpoint, Okay, look at this. This team they had 620 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: an EVP that said, you know, dig outside, dig outside, 621 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: you know, like it kept getting it over and over 622 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 3: again to the point where we started looking, Okay, we 623 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: look outside, Maybe we need to Maybe there's more to 624 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: this story. Maybe this is what they're trying to tell us. 625 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: When we filmed Death Walker there, we were able to 626 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: use some of the funds for the show to bring 627 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: in the ground penetrating radar and actually start searching part 628 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: of the property. And we found some anomalies out in 629 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: the back that look like grave chefs, which is pretty amazing. 630 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: Out in the back right corner by the pond, it 631 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: looks like a family burial plot. Though it doesn't look 632 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 3: like anything malicious, you know, it looks like that they're 633 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: just gone. Gravestone was the graystone was thrown into the water. 634 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they were trying to tell us that 635 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 3: that they're forgotten when we built the pond, and it's 636 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 3: on the gravestone, you. 637 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: Know, and that's you know, I've been on a number 638 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: of cases where that has caused activity. You know, I 639 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: think people care about their final resting place more than 640 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: we realize they do, you know, until till they come 641 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: and tell us repeatedly after they die. And uh, I 642 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: think that's so interesting. Have you considered putting some sort 643 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: of like memorial out there just in case or do 644 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: you kind of put your respects there occasionally? 645 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: Weird? So we've raised raised funds through doing tours and 646 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 3: stuff like that. 647 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: Uh well, a team a team out of all. 648 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 3: But in New York I actually had a plaque that 649 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: it made and dedicated to the people that were that 650 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 3: are there, and that's going to be installed in the spring, 651 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: and then we we're going to put like an iron 652 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: gate around it just the area that we found it, 653 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: just to honor them, so that, you know, and that 654 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: just adds another piece to the puzzle. Because the woman 655 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: in white that walks around the pond or you know, 656 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: that was supposed to be on the hanging tree on 657 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 3: the you know from the original story, could that just 658 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: be these people that were buried they're trying to get 659 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: our attention. You know, there's like so many like sands 660 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: or butts. You know, I don't know that we'll have 661 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 3: the answers for sure, one hundred percent, but it seems 662 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: like so interesting to find something like that and then 663 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: continue to you know, search and maybe find out something more. 664 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 2: You know, what more can there be? 665 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's pretty mind blowing. Have you has 666 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: there been anything else kind of like that or anything 667 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: like have you found anything in the house that really 668 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: struck you or have you had any just like profound 669 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: pieces of evidence or research that just really like affected 670 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: you in any way? 671 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,479 Speaker 2: I Mean, we found like typical things that you would 672 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: find like building a house, like pieces of clothing carved. 673 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 2: We had some carvings that we found that were carved 674 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: like bullheads. But then after we researched it all was 675 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: I was freaked out about those because we found two 676 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 2: of them, and I was like, what the heck does 677 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 2: this mean to? You know, like, what's going on here? 678 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: How many more of these are on the walls? You know? 679 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: And yeah, one of my one. 680 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 3: Of the girls on my research team, found out that 681 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: they were like neckerchief slides for the Boys and Boys 682 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: Boy Scouts from the nineteen seventies. I'm like, what And 683 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: then when you research the house and find out that 684 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: the McMahon's that lived there were Scout leaders and the 685 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: kids were in the Scout troop, makes sense, But how 686 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: did they get in the walls? You know, like it's 687 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: it's weird. 688 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. The kids were probably up in the 689 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: attic or something messing around and maybe. 690 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: Maybe, but the attic is a crawl space. It's not 691 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: something to like go into, you know, So I don't know, jeez. 692 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: No, that's yeah, that would have probably caught me off 693 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: guard too. It's I just think it's so like I 694 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: live on a three hundred year old house. And it's 695 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: just always amazing to me, you know what what we 696 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: find even to this day, you know. And uh, and 697 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: so I just I'm always fascinated when people start trying 698 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: to clean out old houses and tearing into walls and stuff, 699 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: what they find was I I think I read like 700 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: when you bought it, the black mold was like insane. 701 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: Did you get all of that cleared out? 702 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 3: The whole kitchen ceiling was like sinking in from black mold. 703 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 3: It was it was disgusting, It wasn't even it wasn't 704 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 3: really even safe to be in, you know. No, but 705 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 3: that that was like one of the first things we 706 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: had to get done, and even in order to let people. 707 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 2: Come in there. And there was five hundred five hundred 708 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: thousand honey bees too in the. 709 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: Wall, I know. And so you relocated those, yes. 710 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: I did. I felt very highly about doing that. 711 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: That that way, that's great. Oh no, especially bees, like 712 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: we need them. We need the bees. I I I 713 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: think that as investigators we sometimes go into places like 714 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to think ad but like I think 715 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: about all the places I've gone in that are probably 716 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: just they were filled with asbestos and black mold and 717 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: batguano and whatever else dust I've sucked into my lungs 718 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: over the years. 719 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: You know. 720 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I think it's very admirable that you 721 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: were able to get in and clean all that out 722 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: and then also save the bees. So you definitely like 723 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: you are hero status at this point. 724 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: And you can get the honey on Root sixteen on 725 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 3: your way from Buffalo to Thensdale House. You see what 726 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 3: sign It says Hauntingsdale Honey on the right side. Oh 727 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,479 Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm like, no, please, just you know, sell it. 728 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: I have a whole history with haunted honey. People will 729 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: know if they're listening. We did an experiment on Kindred 730 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Spirits where we uh we use haunted honey for an experience, 731 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: but for this experiment, but it was honey from like 732 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: a cemetery in England. 733 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 3: You know. 734 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: These bees were pollinating on the flowers in this graveyard. 735 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a whole thing. So I I 736 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: love that. I love that so much. Cool Now, Okay, 737 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: so if people want to visit the house and support 738 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: you in any way, what do they need to do? 739 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: They do they go to the website. Do you have 740 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 1: social media? 741 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? 742 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: I mean it's my name is Daniel Class. It's spelled 743 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 3: kla e s and it's Daniel Class dot com and 744 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 3: all my links will be on there for the Hinsdale House. 745 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: If you want to do a booking, it's all done online. 746 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: Tours are on there. 747 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 3: Events, anything else that I'm involved with, as far as 748 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 3: paranormal goes, there'll be links for on there. 749 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 2: Check it out, all right. 750 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. 751 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: That hard to find. 752 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: No, I love that. Thank you so much for taking 753 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: the time, and hopefully I'll get up that way because 754 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: I would love to pay a visit. I want to 755 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: see what you've done with the place. 756 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 2: I would love that. 757 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: We may never know what secrets the Hinsdale House is keeping, 758 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: or why it's as spiritually active as a it is. However, 759 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: one fact seems crystal clear. Whatever dwells in the home, 760 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: it wants to be left alone. My name is Amy 761 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a 762 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. 763 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: Haunted Road is hosted and written by me Amy brune 764 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is 765 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: edited and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with 766 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: executive producers Aaron Menke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. Learn 767 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: more about this show over at Grimandmild dot com, and 768 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 769 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.