1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing, and we are going to talk about 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: the biggest news of the week as well as preview 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: the big Monday night football game between the Ravens and 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: the Chargers out at LA. So, Garrett, you know this 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: is a big, big game for the Ravens coming off 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: a tough loss to Steelers, and you know, I sent 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: certainly a very business like approach for the Ravens this 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: week amidst the game that has lots of other storylines 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: is rolling around it, including the Harrorball Brothers going at 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: it for a third time, including all the Ravens that 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: are now out there in LA with the Chargers. But 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: at its core, I sense a very hungry team, eager 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: to get back on a winning the winning note in 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: a big game. 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: This is a massive game, and I think when the 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: schedule came out, you felt like, oh, this is going 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: to be a fun game. It's the Harbor, it's Monday 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: at football, and the Chargers last year weren't very good, 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: but okay, maybe it'll be a little bit better and 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: it'll be more of a storyline. 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: You knew they were going to be better with Jim 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: Harball at the home Let's be honest, Yeah. 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: You knew that they were going to be better, but 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, this is the storyline may maybe dominate this, 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: right And like, the storylines are great and they're exciting, 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: they're fun, and we talked to Jack horrid Baugh the 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: podcast this week, so like. 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them today. 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: Those storylines are great, but this is a really important game. 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: The Ravens are competing with the Chargers for playoff positioning 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: and they're in the thick of the playoff battle right now. 33 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: They're after losing the game to Pittsburgh. You're looking they're 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: certainly looking up at the Steelers and the division standings, 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: and they have some cushion when it comes to the 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: wild card race. But you don't want to drop two 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: games in a row, especially two games to AFC teams. 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be a really 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: when you look back at it at the end of 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: the year, this is definitely going to be one of 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: those games that turns out to be pretty important in 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: determining what that AFC playoff picture looks. 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, well let's just start there kind of with 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: what does the picture look like the Ravens right now 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: currently sit at the number seventh spot, which would be 46 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: the final playoff spot, which is crazy to think because 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: I still, despite what was a sour lost in Pittsburgh, 48 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: feel like the Ravens are absolutely one of the top 49 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: teams in this whole league right not just the AFC, 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: but right now they're in the seventh, seventh spot. They 51 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: have a two game lead on basically the two teams 52 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: that they would be contending with. 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: And just to go the teams that are above them, 54 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: it's the Chiefs, the Bills, the Steelers, and the Texas. 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: Those would be the four division winners. Then the wildcard 56 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: teams it's the Chargers, the Broncos, and who would be 57 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: the sixty Chargers would be the five Broncos would be 58 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: the sixth Ravens or at the seventh spot right now. 59 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: That's correct, And so the two teams that are still well, 60 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: there's three teams kind of still on the hunt, and 61 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens have a two game lead on well more 62 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: than two games on some of these teams. On these teams, 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: so the Dolphin sit at four and six, Okay, the 64 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: Bengals are four and seven, and the Colts are five 65 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and six, So the Ravens have a two game lead 66 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: on the Colts and more than that on the Dolphins 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: and the Bengals. And if you're looking at it, you 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: probably got to get to ten wins to get in 69 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's what it looks like. That's oftentimes been 70 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: the magic number. That's what it looks like again this 71 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: year in AFC picture that's really kind of separated, you know, 72 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: the contenders from the pretenders and those are that are 73 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: just out of it already. 74 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Right, And so you know, the Ravens to get to 76 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: ten wins have to win half of their remaining six games. 77 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Yep, they're sitting at seven to four right now, six 78 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: games left. You gotta win, gotta win half of it. 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: I can do that math sixth left in half, that's three, okay, 80 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: I'll get you to ten exactly. 81 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: And you know, two games on the schedule, the Ravens 82 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: have a home game to finish the regular season against 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: the Browns. They also travel up to MetLife Stadium to 84 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: take on the New York Giants. So those are two 85 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: games they absolute should win. I know they already lost 86 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: the Browns, but bringing them back home, you should win 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: that game. So that leaves four on paper tougher games, 88 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: starting this week against the Chargers. The Ravens also have 89 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: another rematch with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Well, first it's Chargers, 90 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: then Eagles at home. The Eagles are really hot, one 91 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: of the hottest teams in the NFL. Then you have 92 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: a rematch against the Steelers, and then you have a 93 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Christmas Day game out in Houston. And so those are 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: those are four challenging games the way I kind of 95 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: look at it, You gotta win, got to win one. 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: You gotta win one of those, right and the other 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: two that you define, got to shake care of business 98 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: and take care of it exactly. So you'd like to 99 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: win this one against the Chargers and cross that off. 100 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Then you'd be feeling, I think even more comfortable. All right, 101 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: The Ravens are at least going to be in the dance. 102 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also nice to win against an AFC team. 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: And who knows once it all comes down to like 104 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: tie breakers and all that stuff. You can't play out 105 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: every possible scenario here. But you want to win your 106 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: you want to win your division games, and you definitely 107 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: want to win your conference games. So getting a win 108 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: again as one of the teams you're competing with in 109 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: the wildcard race would be a really good thing for 110 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: the seam. And also, like we're talking about the wildcard race, 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: the division is not done yet, but the Year have 112 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: the lead and the Ravens have another game coming up 113 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: against them. Steelers still have five of their six division 114 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: games remaining, So the AFC North. 115 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: Is not out of the question, not absolutely anymore, especially 116 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: when you face them again. Yeah, you can really make 117 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: up some ground quickly. You beat them back here at 118 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: M ANDT Bank Stadium. So that's kind of how the 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: playoff outlook looks right now. And you know it's gonna 120 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: be a tough test out there in Los Angeles, and 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: certainly one of the conversations around this the central conversation 122 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: this week is a rematch between John and Jim Harbaugh, 123 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: and as fans probably well know, this is the third 124 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: time they've battled. They faced all the way back in 125 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: twenty eleven on Thanksgiving Night here in Baltimore. The Ravens 126 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: beat the forty nine Ers that night in a low 127 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: scoring affair, and then of course the Super Bowl rematch 128 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: between the brothers that the Ravens won and Jim already 129 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: said that this isn't about he and John. I'm John. 130 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say he doesn't want to 131 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: make it about him too. It's not about it's not 132 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: about the coaches, it's about the players, it's about the teams. 133 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: It's about winning this game. But there's no doubt that 134 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: this is a fun storyline. Yeah, certainly in this game. 135 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: And you know, for these brothers, they've known nothing but 136 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: success basically as coaches. Right, And the third iteration is 137 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: certainly lower sakes than the Super Bowl, but a it's 138 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: a testament, just like a chance to sit back and say, Wow, 139 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: pretty incredible what both these guys have done in their 140 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: coaching careers and be all right, can Jim, can Jim 141 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 1: get one? Where can John? Can Big Bro keep holding 142 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: off Little Bro? 143 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, John's won two of course, the Super Bowl 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: and then the previous one was a Thanksgiving Day game here, 145 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving night game in twenty eleven against the forty nine 146 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: Ers that the Ravens won. I think my take on 147 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: the whole Hardball Bowl aspect, Hardbull aspect of this game 148 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: is that it's a fun storyline. It's deciding, and it's 149 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: fun to talk about and it's really cool, and it 150 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: speaks to their success as coaches and their family success 151 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: and just who they are as coaches and people. And 152 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: it's pretty remarkable to have two coaches who are head 153 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: coaches in this league, who've been doing it for this long, 154 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: who have both been so successful. All that's remarkable, and 155 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: so it's good storylines. There's going to be I'm sure 156 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: the feature on Monday Night Football leading into the game, 157 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: and all the feature stories are coming out over the 158 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: course of the week, and there's a lot of questions 159 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: to both of them during their time with the media 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: this week about this game, and that's part of it, 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: and I get it, and we're guilty of that too. 162 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: That's part of the and I think that to a 163 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: certain extent. Yeah, you want to have of course, you 164 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: want to have bragging rights against the other for this game, 165 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: but I honestly think that it's I think that it's 166 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: going to have basically no bearing on the game. That's 167 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: like my honest feeling. I just think that once this 168 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: game starts that all that stuff goes out the window, 169 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: and it's all pre stuff all week leading into it. 170 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: I just don't think it's gonna have any bearing on 171 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: the game. 172 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see how it would have a bearing 173 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: on the game. I mean, I think these are just 174 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: two similar teams because they have both brothers as coaches, right, 175 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: like two similar brothers, different in their own ways, but 176 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: at the core, right, their core principles are both the same, 177 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and thus that is how their teams play, That's how 178 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: their teams have been constructed. That's why the Chargers have 179 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: sixteen former Ravens, you know, in their organization. And so 180 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: when you have two very like minded and like structured 181 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: teams going at it, it's gonna be a darn good game. 182 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: It is gonna be a good game. And as we 183 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: talk about the whole hardball ball aspect of this, we 184 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: got an email from Matt Stewart and we had Jack 185 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: harbaughll their father on earlier this week. So go back 186 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: and listen to that episode. It was really enjoyable, and 187 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: Matt said, I listened to every episode of the Lounge, 188 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: but never wrote in I was so disappointed after Sunday, 189 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: even though it was a regular season game, It's still 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: the Steelers, and I wanted to beat those guys so bad. 191 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: To be honest, I didn't want to listen, read, or 192 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: watch anything about the Ravens all week. But then you 193 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: had Jack Harball on. Thank you, That's what we all needed. 194 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: I found myself smiling the entire time I listened. Sometimes 195 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: it takes someone who's has the wisdom that only comes 196 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: with age to put things into perspective. As much as 197 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: we all want the Ravens to win every week, at 198 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it is just a game. 199 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: What matters is the impact you have on those around you. 200 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: You can tell that Jack has embodied that throughout his life. 201 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: I think his interview was one of my favorite episodes 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: of Lounge. All right, Yeah, thanks for making this week 203 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: better and putting a smile on my face today. So 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: Jack Harble has that ability on people. He has the 205 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: ability to put a smile on people's face. So thank 206 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: you Matt for that for that nice email. As always, 207 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: you can email us at the Lounge at Ravens dot 208 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: NFL dot net. We're gonna send Matt a T shirt. 209 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: Oh, he definitely get. 210 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: A T shirt. Any of the emails that we read 211 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: on the air will make sure to send you a 212 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: T shirt. But I you know, I do think that again, 213 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: the story line is fun to talk about and I 214 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: think that in terms of how the teams are built. 215 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: To your point, I think that that is that will 216 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: have an impact on the game. And it's sixteen former 217 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: Ravens who are now in LA. The nickname of Ravens. 218 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: West we've all used for LA Ravens as him. 219 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and it's real. You look at that team 220 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, he was here, he was here coaching. 221 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: They hit the highlights of those former Ravens that are 222 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: now in LA. You have JK. Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Hayden Hurst, 223 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Bradley Boseman, Tony Jefferson, Sam Mustafer, and Eric Tomlinson. Those 224 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: are the players that are over there in LA. And 225 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: then you know, obviously it's in the front office. You 226 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: have Joe Ortiz, who's their GM now, uh, Jim. 227 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: Harble, long time friend of the Lounge, Georg one of 228 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: the original. 229 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: We should dial him up, let's just call it. 230 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: Let's castle him right now. We had a hard enough 231 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: time getting him to do interviews with us when he 232 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: worked here in this building. I can only imagine how 233 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: quickly he would hit block if he saw either of 234 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: our numbers come through. 235 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I think I'm going to text gonfess Joe this week. 236 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: And then Greg Roman, you know, their offensive coordinator, and 237 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: Jesse Minzer their defensive coordinator who got his first job 238 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL, NFL coaching job here in Baltimore, and. 239 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 2: So and Jesse followed. He replaced Mike McDonald as a 240 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator at Michigan and then went with Jim obviously 241 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: to LA. So a lot of connections that exist between 242 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: these entire organizations. It is kind of crazy just that 243 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: that with LA it's it's the coaching side and it's 244 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: the personnel side. Like those there's so much overlap in 245 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: terms of how these teams are built in the identities 246 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: of the organizations. 247 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: And Jim Harball, former Ravens quarterback, that's true. 248 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: Can't forget that one. 249 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: Can't forget that one. Yeah, it's it's pretty incredible. I mean, yeah, 250 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: as soon as Jim was hired out there, you knew 251 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: that he was going to take a bunch of guys 252 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: with him. He knew he was going to have these 253 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: Ravens connections, and and that John was going to put 254 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: in a good word. 255 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: You know, you're saying when Joe was hired or when 256 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 2: Jim was hired. 257 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: When Jim was hired, you know, like I figured, yeah, 258 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: he's he's there's gonna be some carry over there. 259 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: N He's been watching this team obviously and talk to 260 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: his brother about these guys. 261 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then when Joe Ortiz went, then 262 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: for sure, Now okay, he's then he knows these players 263 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: and so he wanted some of them, and you know, 264 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: just to speak to JK specifically and Gus. You know, like, 265 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: I feel happy specifically for JK that he's having such 266 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a great season for them, leads them in rushing and 267 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: is really among one of the league leaders. He's he 268 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: has seven hundred and twenty six rushing yards so far 269 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: this year, and uh, I feel happy for the dude. 270 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I still I am a devout believer that 271 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: JK Dobbins could have been a star in Baltimore and 272 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: would have been a star had he not suffered his 273 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: litany of injuries here like that dude is a monster, 274 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see him healthy, staying healthy out 275 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: in LA and having all the success he's having. Now 276 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I want him to get you know, about five rushing 277 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: yards in the game. 278 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: Obviously, that success can be put on pause. This week exactly. 279 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: But like I am, from a distance, just glad to 280 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: see him having success. JK. 281 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Dobbs had a lot of allies here, A lot of 282 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: people were rooting for him. Nobody liked to see the 283 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: way that his career really played out here. With the injuries, 284 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 2: the preseason game, then the achilles last year, he was 285 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: kind of robbed of what his potential could have been here. 286 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: You saw glimpses of it, but it was disappointing that 287 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: you didn't get to see the full realization of it. 288 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: And so and look, this was somebody second round pick. 289 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: And then after those injuries, you wonder like, is he done? 290 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean that knee injury was major, and then you 291 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: tack on top of it a torn achilles, You're like, 292 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: is he done? That was that was the narrative that 293 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: he's probably just done. Even if he comes back, he's 294 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: not gonna be the same. I knew he wasn't, so 295 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: I give him. I give him credit for working his 296 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: way back, and I agree with you. I'm happy to 297 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: see him having the success that he's having this year. 298 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: It's it's fun. I mean, it's it's been good to see. 299 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I mean, he's in a Greg Roman offense. 300 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: You knew, you knew in that offense they can scheme 301 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: up the run that he was gonna have plenty of chances. 302 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this team is kind of built like the 303 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: Ravens of a few years ago, right, The Chargers are 304 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: building like exactly yeah, yeah, run heavy, yeah, with the 305 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: same guys. Yeah, you know, and so, uh yeah, I'm 306 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: really happy for him, happy for Gus. Gus has been 307 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: dealing with some injuries this year, but he's back on 308 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the field and he's healthy, and I think even got 309 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: the start for them last week. JK still let him 310 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: in touchdowns and led him in carries and had a 311 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: couple of scores. But uh, you know, it's a it's 312 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: a tough thing for the Ravens to contend with coming, 313 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, against this Ravens defense that's been strong on 314 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: the run. But you know, this, this is a this 315 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: is a well schemed operation. And my question to you, Garrett, 316 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: is does the Ravens familiarity with what Greg Ruman does 317 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: and how he schemes up the run. How much does 318 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: that help Baltimore's defense going against it. 319 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: I do think it helps him. I think that the 320 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: Ravens know how Greg Roman wants to call an offense 321 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: and just the principles of what he's going to run 322 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: and the scheme of things. It's the old classic, I 323 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: know what you're going to do, and you know what 324 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to do. So who has the advantage there? 325 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: I think that plays into it. But I think that 326 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: just fundamentally having a part of what made the Ravens 327 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: offense and the Charges are running a similar scheme, but 328 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: the big difference is that they're not running the quarterback 329 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: as much, certainly as they did here is Greg Roman 330 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: did here in Baltimore with Lamar. But I think that 331 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: having an understanding of just the principles of how you 332 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: want to run an offense and seeing that in practice 333 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: every day, for the guys who were here at that time, 334 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: and for the coaches, certainly most of them were here 335 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: at the time that Greg Roman was here, I think 336 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: that will help the Ravens. 337 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: What are some of the cues, what are some of 338 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: the tells? They know all that stuff, They know all 339 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: Greg's tricks. Now we've spent we spent a lot of 340 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: time over the years saying, all right, is Greg going 341 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: to open up the vault? The vault was the phrase 342 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: here of Baltimore during the gig room in years and 343 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you know how deep does he go into it? Does 344 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: he crack it open or does he not? Yea, I 345 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: have a sneaking suspicion that going against his former team 346 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: where things didn't quite end, you know, the way Greg 347 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Rouman probably wanted, or any of us wanted, with a 348 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: championship and him departing that, Greg's gonna be spinning that dial. Baby, 349 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: He's gonna be punched in the code to open up 350 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: the vault. 351 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: I think, you know, whenever you go up against your 352 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: former team, I think that that is absolutely going to 353 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: be part of it. You want to beat him. It's 354 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: like similar to time we talked about you want to 355 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: beat your brother and that whole storyline. I think that 356 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: you probably have as much, if not more motivation when 357 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: you're going up against your old team. And that's how 358 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: Greg's gonna feel. That's how JK. Dobbins. 359 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: I was going to say Jk's feeling that way too. 360 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: He never got the chances here, not as part because 361 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: the injuries, but also when he was healthy, he felt 362 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: like he deserved more opportunities. 363 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone used, We spent all this time last week 364 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: talking about the whole Patrick Queen element of things and 365 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: how he was motivated. 366 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: It's just I think it's a little bit different with JK. 367 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: There's some simi because he was a free agent and 368 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens moved on, right, They didn't bring him back. 369 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: They pivoted to Derrick Henry. It's worked out well for 370 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: both sides. Like that is the takeaway here from the 371 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: running back situations. In both places. It's worked out well 372 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: for the Chargers. It's worked out out well for JK. 373 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: You got a fresh start. I think that was all good. 374 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: It's worked out in Baltimore here with Derrick Henry. But yeah, 375 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: like I think that JK will probably have and Greg 376 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: will have some of those feelings of like, all right, 377 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you what you missed out on. 378 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I'm sure that if they're having conversations this week, 379 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: they're hoping for one hundred yards from JK on hundred 380 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: yards from Gus Bradley Boseman leading the way and most 381 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: of those and there, and the Chargers put up a 382 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: ton of yards on the ground in an la win. 383 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: That's what they're hoping for over there, And of course 384 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: the Ravens are hoping for the opposite, and like I don't, 385 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't actually think that it's just gonna be motivation. 386 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't think that Greg Roman was 387 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: gonna call the game any differently other than the fact 388 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: that if there's any tricks that he has up his sleeve, 389 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: like this is a game where he could break the 390 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: ball game, this is the game. Yeah, I could, I 391 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 2: could see that being a part of the equation, But 392 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: I still stand by what I said when you asked me, 393 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: do I think do I think that the familiarity with 394 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: this offense, which can catch people by surprise because there's 395 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: so much that happens in terms of the motion and 396 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: and the blockers moving in different directions. I think that 397 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: having an understanding of that will help this Ravens defense. 398 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: I think it helps the Ravens more than it helps 399 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: the charters. Like I think, you know, Greg Roam, what's 400 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: scheming up for what the Ravens defense is going to do? Eh? 401 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: I mean it would run the same defense, to be honest. 402 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: That's one thing that's kind of an interesting element of 403 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: this is that they really run the same defense. Jesse 404 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: Mentor when he got to mission, I mean Jesse Mencher 405 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: knows his defense. Then he went to Michigan, took over 406 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: for Mike McDonald, just was running the same defense that 407 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: Mike Mike then game heer brought the same defense and 408 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: now was running the defense in Seattle. But Jesse knows 409 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: the defense and Greg knows the defense too. So that 410 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: kind of goes back to the I know what, you 411 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: know what you're gonna do. 412 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: But I just think that when you're talking about who 413 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: has the advantage in that, I think the Ravens have 414 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: more of the advantage. Knowing the tendencies, knowing the tels, 415 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: knowing all the intricacies of how Greg Roman wants to 416 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: run the ball, yeah, and not just run the ball, 417 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: how he plays off of the run and does in 418 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: the passing game. I think that's advantage Baltimore. 419 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think that could absolutely be 420 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: the case. I mean, the other obviously big piece of 421 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: the offense for the Chargers, a pretty big piece here 422 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 2: is Justin Herbert, quarterback who's been It's interesting, he's been 423 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: really efficient this year. He's not throwing the ball as 424 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: much as he did in previous years, but he's been 425 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: incredibly effective, and that's part of the Greg Roman offense 426 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: and the transition to more of a run first scheme. 427 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: But Herbert, it's it's kind of been a resurgent year 428 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: for him, and his efficiency is reminiscent. Like that's one 429 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: of the things, especially in that twenty ninety season with Roman, 430 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: like Lamar didn't throw the ball a ton, but his 431 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 2: efficiency was out of this world exactly. There's elements of 432 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: that with justin' Hurts. 433 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: High level quarterback play, yes, and I mean he's throwing 434 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns in only one interception. He has a career 435 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: career high one hundred and two point one quarterback rating. Like, look, 436 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is a supremely talented guy. Like you just 437 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: talk about arm talent, his ability to scramble and run 438 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: like you don't think of him as he's certainly not Lamar, 439 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: but he can run kind of like a Josh Allen 440 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: esque runner, but maybe even a little bit faster than Josh, 441 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: but like a big dude. And when he gets rolling 442 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: down hill, you can be a problem. He's not going 443 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: to lower his shoulder like Josh, like Josh Allen exactly, 444 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: like he'll slide, but like he's fast, he's got some 445 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: speed and He can definitely beat teams with his legs, 446 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: but really his arm. He has a special arm, one 447 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: of the top arms in the league now. He also 448 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little bit of Josh Allen, 449 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: and their careers have been similar, and the talking points 450 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: around them is like he can get really, really hot. 451 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: And we saw that last week. If you watch the 452 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: Chargers Bengals game, I mean they were on fire. He 453 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: was just slinging it all every plays. Bengals going to 454 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: stop him at all second half was a much bigger 455 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: struggle for the Chargers offense and for Herbert specifically. And 456 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: so like when that canon is calibrated and dialed in, 457 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: it's tough to stop. But if it gets a little 458 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: off kilter and he gets has pressure in his face 459 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: and those things, it can start. It's that shooter can 460 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: be off aim right, he misses the target. And so 461 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: that is the challenge for this Ravens secondary that had 462 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: improvements in Pittsburgh. But I'm not going to sit here 463 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: and trumpet and say, hey, the raven second everything's fixed, 464 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: all good. I'm not worried about justin Herbert come to 465 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: town and look, this is Greg room in an offense 466 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: the passing game is not going to be the focus, 467 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: but they have some playmakers out there that can beat you. 468 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: Lad McConkie the rookie, he was a very high second 469 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: round pick. I think thirty fourth overall is kind of 470 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: been Justin Herbert's go to guys, especially in third down 471 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: situations things like that. Yes, the rookie has six hundred 472 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: and fifteen receiving yards. That's that would rank second. And 473 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: on the Ravens roster, Joshua Palmer, big body dude. Quentin 474 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: Johnston another big body, fast guy, so they have they 475 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: have targets. Will Disley is their tight end who's been 476 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: pretty rocks olid and on a roll as of late. 477 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: So you know they they have players that can hurt 478 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: you in the passing game. Only it's not just that 479 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: you have to defend the Greg Roman run scheme. 480 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Herbert's good. I mean, Herbert is having All you 481 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: need to do is listen to Jim Harbaugh. I mean 482 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: he gushes about Justin Herbert every chances to get any 483 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: chance he gets, talking about just the player he is, 484 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: personal he is, and how good, how good of a 485 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: how well he's playing this year. So there's a lot 486 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: of there's a lot of love for Herbert, I think 487 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: in the NFL world right now, and for good reason, 488 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: and so the Ravens defense is going to have their 489 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: handsful with him. 490 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: One of my favorite clips that I've seen from other 491 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: teams this year who like mike up their players and 492 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: coaches and whatnot, was Jim Harbaugh miked up before a 493 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: game and so he catches passes from Justin Herbert and 494 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: warm ups every week, Jim lets one go through his hands, 495 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: he drops one, and he is just cursing himself, just 496 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: oh man, he's letting himself have it. So maybe that's 497 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: the key to getting them off their game right. If 498 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: you break up the chemistry between Herbert and Jim Harball 499 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: pre game, I want to see John Forward defensive back 500 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: them down, just getting it, just getting their heads right. 501 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: It's a mental game. 502 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: Well that clip I saw that clip too, is funny. 503 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: You see talk about competitive Jim even there's competitive with 504 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: himself during pregame warmups. In the game, he's not playing, 505 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: but they ended up winning that game. 506 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: So I don't know, if I don't know, if your 507 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: theory right, if that's the key, yeah, yeah, I don't know, 508 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: but it can't hurt. 509 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: Right, can't hurt. I'm on board with that. 510 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a break. When we come back, 511 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna flip it to the other side and talk 512 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: about the Ravens offense and their matchup against the Chargers defense, 513 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: which might be the more important matchup in this game. 514 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: Coming up on Monday night. 515 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Latch podcast. We are coming to 516 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: you from the Seakeek studio. We all, I want to 517 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: mention a partners at Draft King Sportsbook. They are an 518 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King Sportsbook. 519 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: The Crown is yours. So this offense, the Ravens offense 520 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: against the Chargers defense, it's good versus good. The Ravens 521 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: from a point standpoint, from a yard standpoint, the number 522 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: one offense in football. From a point standpoint, they're the 523 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: second best offensive football, putting up thirty point four points 524 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: per game. Well, the Chargers, they've got the best defense 525 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: in football in terms of points. They're allowing only fourteen 526 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: point five points per game. They rank eleventh overall in 527 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 2: total yards, so it's a really good defense. As we mentioned, 528 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Jesse Minter is a defensive coordinator there, He's already getting 529 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: some buzz from a head coaching consideration standpoint this offseason, 530 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: and really good operation there. Derwin James, great player. They 531 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: got Joey Bosa on the edge. So they've got talented 532 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: players and a good scheme. It's gonna be a tough 533 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: defense to go up against. 534 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this Ravens offense is obviously motivated from 535 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: the fact that they did not have their best showing 536 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. The question is, all right, you know a 537 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: week prior to that, and numerous weeks before that, you know, 538 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: we were sitting here talking about how unstoppable the Ravens 539 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: offense is. Well it got stopped. Okay, can it get 540 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: back on track? Can you know, can Lamar kind of 541 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: bounce back from what was one of his tougher games 542 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: and and you know, be that that MVP performer again. 543 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I absolutely think that he can. You know, this is 544 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: a this is a strong Chargers defense, but you know, 545 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: they ranked twelfth in the league in pass defense. They're 546 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: giving up two hundred and six yards per game. That's 547 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: pretty middle of the road when you look at it 548 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: from a yard standpoint, I mean eleventh in total defense. 549 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Like you said, eleventh against the rush, twelfth against the pass. 550 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: You know, their teams have moved the ball on them. 551 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: It's scoring points, right, they're number one in points so 552 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: and they're number two in the league in red zone defense. 553 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: Opponents are only scoring a touchdown forty one percent of 554 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: the time. So that's I think where a lot of 555 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: this game is going to boil down to. Is can 556 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: the Ravens punched the ball into the end zone and 557 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: not be settling for field goals. That'd even be better 558 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: considering Justin Tucker's trying to pull out of a slump 559 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: right now, Hey, let's just put in the end zone. 560 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: Let's let him kick some extra points. Yeah, sure, we're 561 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: good with that. And the Ravens have been excellent in 562 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: red zone offense. They're number one in the league, scoring 563 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: touchdowns seventy seven point eight percent of the time. So 564 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: it's number one red zone offense first, number two red 565 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: zone defense. I think that's where this game is decided. 566 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that just overall, this offense, I think 567 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: is going to be super motivated to get back on 568 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: track after just having a rare off game in Pittsburgh 569 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: where a lot of things didn't go right. Turnovers, penalties. 570 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: Things were out of whack in that game, so they're 571 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: going to be looking to get back on track. I 572 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: like Lamar Jackson on Money at Football. 573 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I always like the Ravens. I always like 574 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens in big games on the road, like primetime 575 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: games on the road. I like them primetime games and too. 576 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: I just like to get Ravens in primetime games. Yeah, 577 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: they've been actually saying that Lamar has been excelling in 578 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: primetime games. The Ravens have been excellent in primetime games, 579 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: so I think that's good. I also mentioned one of 580 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: the things that that got them out of. 581 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 2: Whack last game was penalties, and that's been a big 582 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: point of emphasis for John. Harball has talked about it 583 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 2: multiple times this week that they need to clean up 584 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: the penalties, need to cut down on those. An interesting 585 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: element is so the Ravens ranked thirty second in the 586 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: league in terms of penalty yards, the Chargers rank first penalties. 587 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: That is something that the Ravens know they have to 588 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: clean up. It's holding, it's pre snap stuff, it's illegal 589 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: men downfield, it's all those things. And the Chargers have 590 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: been really good on the penalty front this year, and 591 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: so if you get into a game, I expect this 592 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: to be a close game. All the indications are that 593 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: this is going to be a close game. And if 594 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: you have a close game where the penalties get out 595 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: of whack in one direction, then that's how you can 596 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: lose a game totally. And the Ravens know that, and 597 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: so I think that that's going to be a really 598 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: important element that they have to take care of them 599 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: in this game. 600 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: John Harball is not going to like losing the penalty 601 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: battle against his brother. No, No, that is that is No. 602 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: I am sure that that is a major focus. And 603 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: like we've been saying, this Ravens offense, honestly, if it 604 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: gets out of its own way, it's going to be 605 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: it's tough to stop. You know that. That's been the 606 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: common denominator in the Ravens losses this year has been drag, 607 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: as Todd Monkin likes to talk about. And Uh, if 608 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: they can avoid the drag, the turnovers, the penalties, those things, 609 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: then I think that they're going to put up a 610 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of points out there in LA despite going against 611 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: the good defense. 612 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: And just because you think that they're that good of 613 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: an offense, Yeah, yes, I agree. I mean they're this offense. 614 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: I mean Zave Flowers scored two touchdowns last time. That 615 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: not the meaning that last year's matchup necessarily just transfers 616 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: over this year. But I just for all the reasons 617 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: that we've talked about before, this is a stronger Ravens 618 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: running game. They have Derrick Henry's you know, Derrick Henry 619 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: is Derick Henry. He's I think he's going to get 620 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: back on track after what was not a great game 621 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh for him either, including the fumble. Zay Flowers 622 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: I think is going to give their defensive secondary fits. 623 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: Uh And I think it could be another big Z game. 624 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think the Ravens offense has 625 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: more talent than the Chargers defense. 626 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: Well the Zay Flowers piece. I do think this could 627 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: be a game for him to He's been quiet the 628 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: last two games and a few weeks ago he was 629 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: top five in the league and receiving yards and everyone's 630 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: doing the projections like he's going to finish the eighteen 631 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: hundred receiving yards and all this stuff, and he's been 632 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: a little bit quiet. I do think that getting him 633 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: rolling again. I think that when he's and he catches 634 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: a few passes and makes some people miss, and I 635 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: think he can be like when the offense is sluggish, 636 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: I think he can be a jump start. He's he's 637 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: electric when he gets the ball in his hands. I 638 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: think that he's really hard to cover in space and 639 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: then you can probably get these ten yards to him. 640 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: And so I like getting him involved in this game, 641 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: and I could see him having a really nice game. 642 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And well, I think the 643 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: Ravens have more talent on offense than the Chargers two defense. Like, 644 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: let's also not take away from them. I mean their 645 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: secondary is darn good. At corner, Christian Fulton has been 646 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: one of the top corners in the league if you 647 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: look at PFF, one of the top guys in the league, right, 648 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: Asante Samuel Junior known takeaway kind of guy have to watch, 649 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: be careful, not their own picks. Lamar has been really 650 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: good at that. And then like we talked about with 651 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, while the other guy on the other side, 652 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack one of the best pass rushers of his generation. Right, 653 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: so we've talked many times about all right, what slows 654 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: down the Ravens offense, it's it's pressure, it's it's one 655 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: of those defensive players really kind of dominating at the front. 656 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: The Ravens tackles Ronnie Stanley and Roger Rosengarten, after going 657 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: against Watt last week, have their hands full with kind 658 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: of a duo this week coming from both sides. 659 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mentioned Derwin James. He's intriguing because there's similarities 660 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: with him and Kyle Hamilton. They're versatile, they're not the 661 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: exact same player, they don't get used in the exact 662 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: same way, but their similarities in their game and the 663 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: way they play both physical, both man, and they make contact. 664 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: Like look out their physical guys who are not afraid 665 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: to come up and hit. So I think that Derwin 666 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: James is one of those X factor type. 667 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: Guys we're in on Derwin James come out of the 668 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: draft in that twenty eighteen draft. Yeah, can you imagine 669 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: if the Ravens had drafted Derwin James then traded back 670 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: still in and gotten Lamar. 671 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: That would have been crazy. 672 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: Plus Mark Orlando like that, Oh my god. 673 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they there was a lot of buzz about it 674 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: was actually just kind of doing the full revision of 675 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: history here. But there was interests or buzz about the Ravens. 676 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: If Derwin James fell, they ended up trading away, and 677 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: then the. 678 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: Chargers felled up. 679 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: He fell, he had a chance taken, but then they 680 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: traded back. Chargers ended up taking him. But it was 681 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: just very similar to draft story related to Kyle Hamilister, 682 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: where this is a guy he's like a top five 683 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: player in the draft, but he plays this position. 684 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: That may not be valued that where does he exactly 685 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: plays a tweener? All that stuff. 686 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: So the Ravens got that guy, and of course a 687 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: few years later. 688 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: We didn't pass up the second shof when Kyle Henton 689 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: phone in the laps said, yes, I'll take that game. 690 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: I'll take him very much. But yeah, both the similar 691 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: style players and Derwin James is a guy you can't 692 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: let beat you because he has that ability to do it. 693 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: Yep. All right. 694 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: So and then one other point that I think we 695 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: definitely want to mention, actually two a couple of things. 696 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: Justin Tucker you mentioned him and the struggles that he's had. 697 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: We did talk with Justin this week and he provided 698 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: his perspective on they're just working on everything, and he 699 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: made the point like it doesn't really care how I feel. 700 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: Someone asked him was how are you feel and how 701 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: are you handling the slump? And his point was like, 702 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter, Like I appreciate the thought, but 703 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: I just need to make kiss. That's what I need 704 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: to worry about. And he was also asked about the 705 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: Ravens vote of confidence him in him where John Harball 706 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 2: was asked this week, you bring it in competition at 707 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: Kicker and he said, that's what we're looking to do 708 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: right now, and Justin said, my focus and my plan 709 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: is to reward that vote of confidence. And of course, 710 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: like Justin has built up a really long runway long 711 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: leash because of how good he's been over the course 712 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: of his career, and so that confidence is justified. 713 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: But I think that he is justinified, just had justified 714 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: very much. 715 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: He's he wants to get back on track for a 716 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: million different reasons. And I have not, like I've not 717 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: lost the confidence in his ability to write the ship. 718 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: I still think that he can do it. 719 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think that once. You know, I 720 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: think that making the fifty four yarder was big. 721 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: He kind of glossed over that because like he missed too. 722 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: You lost the game, so you kind of forget. Oh yeah, 723 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: he did come back ahead a fifty four yarder. It 724 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: would have been a much different conversation if you just 725 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: go over three and you miss all three of your kicks. 726 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, And so I think that helped. I think 727 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: that Justin is approaching this just says he has earlier 728 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: this season when we were having a lot of these 729 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: similar conversations and he kind of pulled out of it. 730 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: Then he pulled out of the slump once this season. 731 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: Now he's kind of back in it. And it was 732 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: just a businesslike approach. And you know, it's interesting because 733 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: I kind of go back and forth on this, right, 734 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: because we had doctor Trish on the pod, right, and 735 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Trish, I don't know how much you would recommend. 736 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: You got to feel the emissions, You got to work 737 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: through the emissions and the mental side of it, versus 738 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: like Justin's approach was kind of like, I appreciate you 739 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: asking about my emotions, but I can't like feel my emotions. 740 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: I just have to look at this like, all right, 741 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: this is my job. This is the next step I 742 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: have to do is to get better at my job 743 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: and take a very analytical approach. 744 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 2: Well, he's actually been. It's kind of interesting over the years, 745 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: like high and low, mostly high because he's been so good. 746 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 2: There's just haven't been many low moments. But it's always 747 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: that he make a big kick and like, what are 748 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: your emotions going into it? And he's like, honestly, in 749 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: a lot of those situations, like, my emotions don't matter. 750 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the technical aspects of things that I'm 751 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: not I'm not overly emotional about. 752 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: He's very emotional after he made the kicks. But yeah, 753 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: but yet you're right, like when he talks about his 754 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: mindset approach as he approaches any kick, whether he's in 755 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: good times or bad, it's always very dialed into the details, 756 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: very workman like. 757 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 2: Yes, so I think that he'll be able to pull 758 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: out of it. And would it shock me if he 759 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: ends up kicking a game winner in this game? Like, 760 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: would not? It would not shock me if he were 761 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: to drill a forty eight yard game winner. 762 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: It's nice to be indoors too. You just eliminate that 763 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: mental ass part of the game and you can kind 764 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: of just focus on striking the ball. That's just one thing, 765 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 1: that one less piece of the equation. Yeah, so maybe 766 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: that can help him. Yeah, I agree with you. It 767 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: would not shock me if there's a long attempt in 768 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: Justin drels it totally, which will be awesome. 769 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: I would like that. 770 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: Also on the injury front, this week, the big news 771 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: has been Roquan Smith. We're not sure if he's going 772 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: to play or not, but he mispracticed time because of 773 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: a hamstring injury that left him exiting the Pittsburgh game early. 774 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: If the Ravens don't have Roquan Smith, that makes the 775 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: job of defending this Chargers rushing attack that much harder. 776 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: And you know, Malik Harrison came in for ro Quan 777 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: last week in Pittsburgh, and you know, I generally I 778 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: trust Malik and run situations. I think against the past, 779 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult for him. He's just a 780 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: big body dude. And you know, Roquan. While I don't 781 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: think that Roqwan has had his best season yet this year, 782 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: he was playing his best game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. 783 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: And I think that when Rokwan's not on the field, 784 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: you're going to feel it even more and say, man, 785 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: all right, you know, Roquan was really helping this defense 786 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 1: kind of hold its water. 787 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a couple different elements where it 788 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: would show up. One is he's a great player, and 789 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 2: removing great players from a defense hurts, so obvious one there. 790 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: The other part is communication. He wears the green dot 791 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: and he's if you ever watched him, dialed in on 792 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: him during a game, and he's talking to everybody. He's 793 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: yelling out things throughout the entire prestat process. So you 794 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: lose that without him out there. Kyle Hamilton took over 795 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: the green dot helmet against Pittsburgh. I would think he 796 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: would be the guy if that were to happen again, 797 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: if Rokwan can't go, I would Thinkyle Hamilton would be 798 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: that guy. He's really obviously smart, veteran player who knows 799 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: what he's doing on the back end of that defense 800 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: and communicate with everybody. So I think Hamilton would be 801 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: that guy. But you would have to replace both of 802 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: those elements. I do, like, you know, going up against 803 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: the Chargers, they are a run heavy team and so 804 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: Millie Carrison fits that a little bit. But of course 805 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: they're still going to pass and you need to be 806 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: able to hold up and pass coverage. I also wonder 807 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: if there's any situations where the Ravens lean on Kyle 808 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 2: Hamilton played more that traditional safety role, do you move 809 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 2: him up at all? It's almost like an extra linebacker 810 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: in situations especially. 811 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: I think that that kind of we all really like 812 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: the changes in the improvement in the secondary with Kyle 813 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: playing deeper with ourt areas, But if Roque's going to 814 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: be out, you'd really like to have Kyle Hamilton kind 815 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: of up closer to the box because he can he 816 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: can definitely help you in that regard. So it's like, 817 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: are you willing to give up the good things that 818 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: you got from last game against Pittsban to better defend 819 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: the run? That's tough. 820 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: I think that's part of what Zach orr is gonna 821 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: have to figure out this week is how they want 822 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: to just staff that, how they want to manage the 823 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: roles and the packages that they're using in this game. 824 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: YEP. So, like we said, this is going to be 825 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: a really good game. Two very good teams charges on 826 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: a four game winning streak and the Ravens a hunger 827 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: team looking to bounce back from a tough loss. So 828 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: expected to be an awesome game Monday night in Sofi Stadium. 829 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: As always, you can reach us at the lounge at 830 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Ravens NFL dot net. We'll have our post game breakdown 831 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: immediately after the game and we look forward to it. 832 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 1: Ravens fans enjoy that game.