WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show Nov 4, 2022 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.400 Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark Mos Show, 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:05.280 where we talk about, of course, each and every week, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.600 the decentralized revolution as we look at the world through 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.760 the lens of politics, finance, and technology, and of course 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.720 that technology is bitcoin, the decentralized technology that is changing 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.119 the world. And of course I try to bring to 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.880 you some education to change the way you think, the 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.520 latest breaking news, and some interesting guests. You don't have 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:24.959 to listen to me all the time. And so I 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.480 am joined today by a good friend, Corey Clipston from 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.760 Swan Bitcoin. You can find him on Twitter at Corey 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.600 Clipston and also shout out to swan. Swan Bitcoin is 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.760 putting together the Pacific Bitcoin Conference coming up here in 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.159 Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. You can check 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.920 it out Pacific bitcoin dot com. I'm super excited about it. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.840 Bring an event back to my backyard. I'm excited about 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.839 that and I'm happy to have you Corey. Thanks for 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.480 joining me today. Yeah, it's great to be here and 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.360 and obviously I share your enthusiasm for having a big 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.680 get together of bitcoiners here. It will be November tenth 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.280 and eleven at the Barker Hangar in Santa Monica. So yeah, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.640 I cannot wait for that. Yeah, it's about time, you know, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.640 we I know we talked about this before, but like 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.560 bitcoin was supposed to be in southern California and we 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.399 kinda uh we kind of lost we lost it and 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.640 maybe we can get it back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.200 we have been talking about that, and I'm not willing 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.320 to see the territory and uh and I never left. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.360 You're back. Uh we will do a pencer move from 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.039 me north of l A and you south of l A. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.480 And we're gonna take over the whole metroplex. Yeah yeah, so, um, 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.720 you know some of the original cipher punks, it kind 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.480 of had this like southern California roots already. Yeah, this 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.920 is how finny territory. Yeah, howf any territory. Right, So, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.880 like we kind of had the southern California roots. I 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:51.680 think if it wasn't for that stupid pandemic. Uh, we 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.240 would we would have had we would have had it here, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.160 you know. But anyway, bring it back, and I'm happy 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.240 for it. So everyone checked that out. Pacific Bitcoin dot com. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.640 You have the tickets. I'm gonna be speaking there. Of course, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.120 Corey will be there. We got Michael Sailor, the Mega 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.320 Chad Coming gig a Chad, Alex Epstein, Len Alden, and 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.799 Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Love Preston Pitch, Greg Foss. It's 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.360 gonna be awesome. But let's uh, you know, I know, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.000 you've been talking about a pretty interesting and um super 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.880 timely and relevant topic, and um, you're kind of framing 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.040 it up as the race to avoid war, which I mean, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.080 you gotta be careful, Corey, because you can get canceled 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.760 for saying things like that. Right, I mean, look what 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.360 they tried to do with Elon Right, he said that 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.880 we should have peace. I mean, how dare how dare 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:38.919 someone recommend peace? Um? I saw today two things. One 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.880 Obama now is saying that we should have peace, and 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.120 two I saw that they called on the Pope to 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.320 see if they can get Biden and Puttin to sit 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.880 down together. And I was like, isn't this between Puttin 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.840 and Zelinski while he was Puttin and Biden if it 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.920 down together? Anyway, interesting tidbits, But anyway, you're calling for 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.360 the race to avoid war? Uh? Frame that up for us? Yeah, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.040 I mean this is specifically in the context of bitcoin. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.560 So it's it's not sort of the kinetic war that 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.280 we think of may turn that way someday. I hope 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.760 it never does. But basically what it is is the 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:22.040 only threat to sort of fast speedy adoption of bitcoin 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.120 and bringing forward this you know, this future that we 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.200 all envisioned with higher productivity, less economic friction, more freedom, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.480 more prosperity for eight billion people on Earth that we 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.080 think that bitcoin as global money will bring about. The 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:42.880 only entity that can coordinate any sort of major delay 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:47.280 to that is the US government, working in consort probably 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.320 with banks obviously allies around the world that sort of 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.920 rely on the Western system that's underpinned by the exorbitant 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.640 privilege of of a treasury and dollar back system. UH 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.280 and probably a cabal of all coiners sort of running 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.320 their grift and attempting regulatory capture and trying to insidiously 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.600 creep into banks and governments and affect regulations and do 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.320 things that are contrabict coins. So that's kind of the 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:16.040 three parties that uh, I think that I think today 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.000 that they might have the most to lose from a 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:24.240 a bitcoin bitcoin I is hyper bitcoinization type future. And 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.360 so the three, the three, the three were the government. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:33.600 The federals are of government crypto grafters and banks and banks. Yeah, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.679 so that that's sort of the the access of evil 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.080 in bitcoin terms. Yeah, but they're not all They're not 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.040 evil people. They just don't understand. I actually firmly believe 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.800 that most of these people just don't understand uh what 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.880 they are doing when they delay bitcoin adoption. So you're 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.599 not going to be able to stop bitcoin from winning. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.880 It will win. The question is whether it wins handily 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.120 and early and we're living in you know, thirteen years 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.159 from now with bitcoin as a widely used store value, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.240 medium of exchange and unit of account and it's full 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.320 global money, or do we have to go dark and 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.160 there's wars on bitcoiners and boots on neck for anybody 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.039 that has a k y C stack and you know, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.159 all this sort of like hiding around the world and 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.440 everybody using thems and we have to like fight it 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.839 out for a century and you have to wait until 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.560 the or something like that for bitcoin to dominate. Um. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.600 And so I, you know, being of a certain age 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.560 and wanting to enjoy as much of a bitcoin ized future, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.320 like selfishly I want that, But then also I think 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.640 there is as outlined by Andrea Santinopolis probably seven eight 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.240 years ago, like, if you can, if bitcoin ization can 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.279 stave off one episode of hyperinflation anywhere in the world, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.800 then we all kind of have a moral imperative to 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.440 try to make it happen as fast as possible. So 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.200 while I do empathize with people who say, you know, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:00.960 I don't mind it to aching a long time, I 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.679 like cheap SATs and I want to build a fatter 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.680 stack for myself, you know, I personally have made the 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.280 judgment that I think there's, you know, a moral case 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.560 for trying to make it happen as fast as possible, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:18.680 and that means winning this race for adoption before the 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:23.039 triumvirate can declare war on bitcoin and bitcoinners, because if 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.000 you make it, if you get to that point where 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.560 we have an in transigent minority, in particular in the 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.200 USA of call it ten million bitcoiners, that's three or 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.920 four percent that's kind of required to on a single 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.560 issue that you have people that just won't budge on 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.880 that issue that will kind of flip society. That's generally 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.320 the threshold you need to hit. So if we win 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.360 that adoption race, then we will never have to fight 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.039 the war because it will just look too preposterous to 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.920 try to wage it. I remember when you when when 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.840 you first started SWAN, and I remember you saying that 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.800 was the kind of the goal of the target. So 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.480 you've been kind of pretty focused on that from the beginning. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.920 In regards to that, I would say a couple of things. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.560 So One, it seems like, you know, with Biden's executive 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.560 orders that he put through, maybe that already kind of 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:17.920 sped up or declared the war potentially. Uh, well's let's 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.760 talk about let's talk about that first. So I mean, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.560 through these Biden in thiccative orders, right, they needed to 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.960 do all this research into you know, digital assets and 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.000 sterms of make digital currencies. Do you think that was 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.640 an escalation or you know, speed up the timetable to 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:36.080 that potential war. Yeah. So that's that's something that I 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.280 would put in the column of this this delays bitcoin 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:44.880 adoption and speeds up the potential for some kind of 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:49.680 coordinated effort contra bitcoin. So that that's generally how I 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.040 like everything is in one category or the other at 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.800 this point. It's like if you are in Rason Horowitz 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.480 and you start a new fund and you hire some 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.200 regulators as regulators as gps to get around the lobbying alls, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:01.800 so they can just spend all their time trying to 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:08.040 rest regulation over crypto securities from the SEC and and 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.840 basically do regulatory capture of the CFTC by offering them 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.680 tons of money so they will regulate you in a 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.200 friendly fashion. Like that's something that's working contrabitcoin. If you 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.560 are you know, Ripple and Consensus and you know Vitalic 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.400 and Sam Bank and Freed and all these guys. Brian Armstrong, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.600 Freed are some all these guys you know, pumping out 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.600 these E s G narratives and and trying to pretend 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.280 that proof of steak is innovative in some way. And 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.400 you know, Ripple funding Greenpeace to do anti bitcoin proof 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.920 of work campaigns, like you're working contrabitcoin. I'm not going 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.240 to tell some dude that I'm playing basketball with who 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.840 happens to be into crypto or blockchain or whatever that 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.360 he's an enemy of human freedom because he's not really 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:53.679 understanding it the way that we might. But uh, yeah, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:59.960 you know, yeah, well um yeah, you're listening to them 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.840 Arkwall Show. I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston. You can 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.680 find them on Twitter at Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.640 We're talking about the race to avoid war. Got a 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.640 lot more to dig into when we get back from 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.319 break in just a minute, talking about the race to 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.360 bitcoin adoption and can we get the adoption before the 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.400 war breaks out. We'll be back with that and more 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.839 in a minute. You don't want to miss it. We'll 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.240 be right back. All right, Welcome back. You are listening 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.840 to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about the decentralized Revolution. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.000 How the world is changing right before very eyes, as 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.959 we swing back from centralization to decentralization, and we look 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.680 at through the lens of politics, finance, and technology, which 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.440 of course the technology is bitcoin. And I'm joined in 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.160 the studio today with Corey Clipston. He is from Swan Bitcoin. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.400 You can check him out on Twitter at Corey Clipston 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.040 and also check out Swan Bitcoins event coming up here 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.559 in two weeks in southern California. Check it out a 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.240 Pacific Bitcoin dot Com alb speaking there with a whole 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.880 bunch of other heavyweights, Michael Sailor, Alex Alex Epstein, Lynn Alden, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.160 Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Preston Pitsch and more. But anyway, Corey, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.760 we were talking about this, uh, the race to avoid war, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.280 which you were framing up the inevitable war that it's 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.120 really it's the it's probably the number one objection that 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.160 no coiners would have to bitcoin, but the government's going 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.000 to make it illegal, right, And it's that inevitable showdown 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.520 which everybody kind of knows that the central bankers, the 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.760 powers that be will never want to give up control 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.079 over the money, and so there was always gonna be 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.000 this like inevitable showdown that's coming, right. I think that's 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.120 kind of this war. Um. But back to this war, 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.920 is it speeding up? Um? So we were talking about 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.960 before the break this the Biden executive orders where you know, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.160 you gave a hundred eight days to do all this 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.280 research and kind of bring this stuff back, which they've done. Um. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.200 And it seems to be picking up the timetables on 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.360 the c B, DCS as well. And you know, we 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.199 see obviously the rhetoric happening from the E c B 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.040 and the I m F and all these other regulatory bodies. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.320 But then on the other side, so you said, um, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.040 if we can get to ten million users needed, that's 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.120 kind of like this base number. Um, I thought the 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.040 numbers were more like there was twenty five million Americans 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.199 that were already been Yeah, so it's specifically it's bitcoiners 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.040 and a bitcoin or the way I think about it 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.720 is someone who has a decent chunk of their net 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.600 worth in bitcoin and actually has pretty good understanding of 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.400 bitcoin and actually gives a or cares about it. I 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.760 should say, Um, you know, so that's that's a much 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.240 much smaller number. I'd probably peg that at maybe one 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.040 two hundred thousand people in the USA today. Um, And 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.680 that's probably I think that's probably about right in that range. Um, 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.599 because you need people that are, you know, going to 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.000 make life a little bit difficult for a politician that 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.160 comes out contra bitcoin, which we saw play out in 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.280 the primaries in the congressional race out here in so 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.959 Cow with Brad Sherman, who's kind of the most vociferous 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.520 anti bitcoin guy in Congress the last few years, and 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.280 a prime a challenger came up who was willing to 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.360 learn about bitcoin and willing to talk about it and 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.520 make it an important issue in her campaign. And even 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.200 though she didn't win, he seems pretty obvious he hasn't 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.720 set a peep about bitcoin in a year. It seems 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.520 pretty obvious he got the message that a lot of 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.720 people will come in and make life difficult for him 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.880 and and create challengers for him and fund his opposition 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.640 if he goes at bitcoin. So that's the type of 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.520 thing that you need kind of nationwide at every level. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.719 Is these ten million bitcoiners that are willing to organize 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.280 around bitcoin, be pro bitcoin and be uh, you know, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.000 make life difficult for people that are anti bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.760 and we're definitely getting there. I mean to your point 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.760 that Brad Sherman race was a perfect example of that. UM. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.560 I also remember, you know, just recently when they tried 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.800 to change UM some of these rules about the protocols 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.839 and what's crypto broker things like that, and they opened 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.760 up for comments UM and then they had so many comments. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.839 I saw, you know, coin Center and so so forth 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.040 put out a data. Let's say that they had no 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.600 idea that they were going to get this type of 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.079 a response and that they were overwhelmed, which you know, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.199 whatever crypto people or whatever. I don't know what the 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.600 difference of bitcoin or crypto was, but they're just overwhelmed 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.720 by the amount of people that came out in support 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.679 of that, and I think they are taken back by that, 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.400 and it seems like we're starting to see more and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.520 more politicians kind of running on this. I don't I 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.320 don't know, I haven't haven't figured out how to divide 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.320 the bitcoin and crypto, but running on this pro bitcoin 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.400 or pro crypto, pro freedom money kind of movement. So 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.439 I can help you very quickly with that one. I mean, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:37.360 the coordinated response to try to protect the crypto grift machine, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.560 that is, everything in the crypto space that's not Bitcoin, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.000 was basically because they have a ton of funding from 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.000 all these crypto vcs that have been you know, dumping 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.400 these these pump and dumps on retail and clipping the 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.679 coupon on that making a lot of money on that. Um. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.400 So they have plenty of money to go and try 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.760 to argue their case, which is why they have you know, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.520 Sam Bankman Freed has six million dollars spent on campaigns 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.839 in the last cycle, and you know, these guys are 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.200 trying to lobby to again get the CFTC to regulate 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.080 crypto instead of the sec things like that. So they 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.080 have plenty of money to argue for crypto. There's very 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.840 little money to argue for bitcoin. And I think that 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.719 was what we learned in when the infrastructure bill came 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.320 out and had some of this stuff in there, and 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.200 all of the crypto advocates and the blockchain groups and 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.280 the crypto coin center types were perfectly willing to throw 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.200 a Bitcoin under the bus and say that say things 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.080 like running a lightning note is the same as being 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.760 an ethereum staker, and all the sort of false narratives, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.320 uh to serve their own ends and keep their grift 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.520 going as long as possible. Yeah, and and that's a 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.760 big problem. And we saw I mean recently, you know 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.960 with what SPF Sam BigMan Freeze come out with UM, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.400 you know, basically kind of lane lane Bitcoin down at 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.920 the altar, so to speak, right like hey, fine, like 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.400 get rid of the pow, like we'll comply with the 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.920 with the green climate energy, you know, like let us 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.520 keep this little kind of piece over here as long 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.560 as we can kind of control it. UM. So we 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.960 see that. But then also you know, so so there 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.760 was a big pushback not just in money spent, but 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.960 in the amount of people that that that said that UM. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.880 And then also I mean it looks like there's maybe 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.280 at least a dozen, if not maybe a couple of 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.920 dozen of pretty high ranking politicians. Um, we saw, but 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.760 Patrick McHenry was like the head of the Republican head 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.040 of the Financial Refutory Committee. I mean he specifically said 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.320 no bitcoin and it can't be stopped, etcetera. Um, Cynthia 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.640 Loomis name a couple. But I know what, Davidson, Yeah, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.080 I mean there's there's a handful that actually get bitcoin 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.840 and are saying things the right way. There's unfortunately, more 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.120 than half of them are really just trying to get 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.040 campaign donations from cryptographs. So they say pro crypto blockchain 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.440 things and talk about innovation that they don't understand because 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.080 there isn't any and they're essentially just trying to get 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.040 the money to flow into their district or their state 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.600 or whatever. Um. So yeah, this is there's a big 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.840 dichotomy there. There's some people that understand that this is 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.880 freedom money and this is the best thing for America 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.000 for the world is to switch to a bitcoin standard 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.920 over time, and then there's a bunch of people that 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.960 are just looking for the quick buck and you know, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.160 kind of the politics version of the Matt Damon Super 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.760 Bowl ad for uh, you know, a scam website. Yeah, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.320 and that's a problem, right, especially for people that aren't 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.840 super educated where they they want to be this like 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.960 single issue voter. And so then you get in a 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.960 situation like in New York right where uh, someone runs 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.400 on a pro bitcoin platform and then they want to 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.280 ban bitcoin mining and it's like wait a minute, like 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:33.240 and so kind of trying to figure that out, but um, yeah, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.320 it is growing it It's sort of seems to me, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.560 Well then what about what about the bank? So you 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.600 kind of framed up the war against the banks that 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.160 was one of your three factions. But if you look at, um, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.280 you know a lot of the big financial institutions, Fidelity 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.440 comes to top of mind, but you know, even Goldman, Sacks, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.680 et cetera, a lot of them have spent I would 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.080 estimate hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars to 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.880 bring bitcoin services, right. They want to they want to 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.800 tap into it greedily, right, Um, And so they want 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.920 to to offer bitcoin services because there's money to be 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.480 made there. Um. Do they want to just let the 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.960 government just take that away from them? With baby fighting 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.200 for that? Listen, it's multi variat. There's so many things 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.439 going on. The banks want to play a role in 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:19.320 CBDC stuff. They wanna participate alongside Amazon and Google and 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.479 all the venture firms in squeezing as much profit as 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.359 they possibly can out of this, you know, crypto scam, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.960 bubble um, crypto, blockchain, magic, whatever um. And at the 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.760 same time, obviously there are revenue streams associated with bitcoin 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.439 as an asset and and increasingly, you know, especially the 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.800 back half of this decade, I think bitcoin as payment rails. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:45.400 So there's a fight between firms and inside of firms, 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.960 you know that bitcoin versus crypto versus the legacy system. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.359 Uh continues unabated. Yeah, you're listening to the Mark Moa Show. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.480 We're I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.640 We're talking about the race to avoid war, framing up 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.280 what the war is, and I want to get into 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.080 when we come back, what we're going to do to 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.440 help advance that. We're back in a minute. Don't go away, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.560 all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Mark 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.240 Moa Show talking about the decentralized Revolution, and we're talking 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.280 about bitcoin and the race to avoid war. I'm sitting 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.120 down with Corey Clipston um from swan Bitcoin. Check them out. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.359 They are a bitcoin company helping people get bitcoin very easy. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.399 I love how you can buy bitcoin on swan Bitcoin 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.560 and have a delivered directly to your cold storage. That 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.480 limits the risk out of that. So check that out. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.160 And the upcoming Pacific Bitcoin Conference happening in my backyard 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.639 here in southern California and two weeks check that out 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.040 Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. Now Corey um so so framing 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.119 up this war, we talked about the factions. Um, the 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.520 war is escalating because of what the Biden administration executive 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.600 orders have done, etcetera. We also have um, the banks 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.800 and politicians. Some are kind of in it for their 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.760 own greedy reasons. Some are, you know, kind of there. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.520 The one thing that I think we kind of also 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.840 have going on on the bitcoin side is that, you know, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.760 when the government, when the Biden administration comes out and 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.199 starts talking about clamping down on guns, gun cells go 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:12.680 through the roof, and it seems like the governments are 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.919 almost doing bitcoin marketing in a sense where like you 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.320 have the Trucker protest right and like they start seizing 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.639 people's money and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, shoot, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.760 that money in the bank isn't safe. Maybe I should 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:24.919 think about bitcoin. And so all of a sudden, bitcoin 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.720 kind of came to the forefront of people's minds, and 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.159 it seems like, um, you know, like people would say, well, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.919 they'll just make it illegal, and I'm like, well, like 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.000 the war on drugs, Uh, since ninety one, since the 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.879 da was formed, drugs have only gotten bigger and bigger. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:39.960 And when the government tells you not to do drugs, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.359 it doesn't make me want to do them. But if 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:43.840 the government tells me I don't have the right to 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.119 keep my wealth in a way they can't steal or 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.919 manipulate from me, it sort of makes me want to 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:53.400 do that. Do you think that maybe the more they 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.480 try to crack down and shove a cbc D down 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.720 our throats, maybe that actually highlights and pushes the need 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.520 for a bitcoin. I mean, I know you need it, 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.520 needs I know you believe it pushes the need more it. Yeah, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:11.040 I think CBDCs, if they roll out in any major economy, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.840 will ring the alarm bell. So I think what you'll 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:19.960 see is, let's say, if CBDC rolls out in central 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.680 bank digital currency, where the literally the central bank controls 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.399 the whole damn thing, and there's no banks in between, 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.160 and they can just like put money in your wallet 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.879 or take it away or create rules like you know, 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.520 you can use it on yogurt but not on ice 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.160 cream things like that. Um. So if that rolls out 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.159 in some in an economy like the UK, and Americans 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.959 are looking across the drink at something like that, I 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.560 think you would basically see all the conservatives and constitutionalists 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.840 and libertarians just go absolutely nuts and and get orange 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.720