1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark Mos Show, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: where we talk about, of course, each and every week, 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: the decentralized revolution as we look at the world through 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: the lens of politics, finance, and technology, and of course 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: that technology is bitcoin, the decentralized technology that is changing 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: the world. And of course I try to bring to 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: you some education to change the way you think, the 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: latest breaking news, and some interesting guests. You don't have 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: to listen to me all the time. And so I 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: am joined today by a good friend, Corey Clipston from 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Swan Bitcoin. You can find him on Twitter at Corey 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Clipston and also shout out to swan. Swan Bitcoin is 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: putting together the Pacific Bitcoin Conference coming up here in 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. You can check 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: it out Pacific bitcoin dot com. I'm super excited about it. 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: Bring an event back to my backyard. I'm excited about 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: that and I'm happy to have you Corey. Thanks for 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: joining me today. Yeah, it's great to be here and 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: and obviously I share your enthusiasm for having a big 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: get together of bitcoiners here. It will be November tenth 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: and eleven at the Barker Hangar in Santa Monica. So yeah, 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: I cannot wait for that. Yeah, it's about time, you know, 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: we I know we talked about this before, but like 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: bitcoin was supposed to be in southern California and we 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: kinda uh we kind of lost we lost it and 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: maybe we can get it back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: we have been talking about that, and I'm not willing 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: to see the territory and uh and I never left. 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: You're back. Uh we will do a pencer move from 30 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: me north of l A and you south of l A. 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: And we're gonna take over the whole metroplex. Yeah yeah, so, um, 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: you know some of the original cipher punks, it kind 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: of had this like southern California roots already. Yeah, this 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: is how finny territory. Yeah, howf any territory. Right, So, 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: like we kind of had the southern California roots. I 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: think if it wasn't for that stupid pandemic. Uh, we 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: would we would have had we would have had it here, 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, bring it back, and I'm happy 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: for it. So everyone checked that out. Pacific Bitcoin dot com. 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: You have the tickets. I'm gonna be speaking there. Of course, 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Corey will be there. We got Michael Sailor, the Mega 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Chad Coming gig a Chad, Alex Epstein, Len Alden, and 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Love Preston Pitch, Greg Foss. It's 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. But let's uh, you know, I know, 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: you've been talking about a pretty interesting and um super 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: timely and relevant topic, and um, you're kind of framing 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: it up as the race to avoid war, which I mean, 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: you gotta be careful, Corey, because you can get canceled 49 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: for saying things like that. Right, I mean, look what 50 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: they tried to do with Elon Right, he said that 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: we should have peace. I mean, how dare how dare 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: someone recommend peace? Um? I saw today two things. One 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: Obama now is saying that we should have peace, and 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: two I saw that they called on the Pope to 55 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: see if they can get Biden and Puttin to sit 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: down together. And I was like, isn't this between Puttin 57 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: and Zelinski while he was Puttin and Biden if it 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: down together? Anyway, interesting tidbits, But anyway, you're calling for 59 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: the race to avoid war? Uh? Frame that up for us? Yeah, 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean this is specifically in the context of bitcoin. 61 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: So it's it's not sort of the kinetic war that 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: we think of may turn that way someday. I hope 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: it never does. But basically what it is is the 64 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: only threat to sort of fast speedy adoption of bitcoin 65 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: and bringing forward this you know, this future that we 66 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: all envisioned with higher productivity, less economic friction, more freedom, 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: more prosperity for eight billion people on Earth that we 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: think that bitcoin as global money will bring about. The 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: only entity that can coordinate any sort of major delay 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: to that is the US government, working in consort probably 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: with banks obviously allies around the world that sort of 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: rely on the Western system that's underpinned by the exorbitant 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: privilege of of a treasury and dollar back system. UH 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and probably a cabal of all coiners sort of running 75 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: their grift and attempting regulatory capture and trying to insidiously 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: creep into banks and governments and affect regulations and do 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: things that are contrabict coins. So that's kind of the 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: three parties that uh, I think that I think today 79 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: that they might have the most to lose from a 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: a bitcoin bitcoin I is hyper bitcoinization type future. And 81 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: so the three, the three, the three were the government. 82 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: The federals are of government crypto grafters and banks and banks. Yeah, 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: so that that's sort of the the access of evil 84 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: in bitcoin terms. Yeah, but they're not all They're not 85 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: evil people. They just don't understand. I actually firmly believe 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: that most of these people just don't understand uh what 87 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: they are doing when they delay bitcoin adoption. So you're 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: not going to be able to stop bitcoin from winning. 89 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: It will win. The question is whether it wins handily 90 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: and early and we're living in you know, thirteen years 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: from now with bitcoin as a widely used store value, 92 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: medium of exchange and unit of account and it's full 93 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: global money, or do we have to go dark and 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: there's wars on bitcoiners and boots on neck for anybody 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: that has a k y C stack and you know, 96 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: all this sort of like hiding around the world and 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: everybody using thems and we have to like fight it 98 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: out for a century and you have to wait until 99 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: the or something like that for bitcoin to dominate. Um. 100 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: And so I, you know, being of a certain age 101 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: and wanting to enjoy as much of a bitcoin ized future, 102 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: like selfishly I want that, But then also I think 103 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: there is as outlined by Andrea Santinopolis probably seven eight 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: years ago, like, if you can, if bitcoin ization can 105 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: stave off one episode of hyperinflation anywhere in the world, 106 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: then we all kind of have a moral imperative to 107 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: try to make it happen as fast as possible. So 108 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: while I do empathize with people who say, you know, 109 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't mind it to aching a long time, I 110 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: like cheap SATs and I want to build a fatter 111 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: stack for myself, you know, I personally have made the 112 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: judgment that I think there's, you know, a moral case 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: for trying to make it happen as fast as possible, 114 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: and that means winning this race for adoption before the 115 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: triumvirate can declare war on bitcoin and bitcoinners, because if 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: you make it, if you get to that point where 117 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: we have an in transigent minority, in particular in the 118 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: USA of call it ten million bitcoiners, that's three or 119 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: four percent that's kind of required to on a single 120 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: issue that you have people that just won't budge on 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: that issue that will kind of flip society. That's generally 122 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the threshold you need to hit. So if we win 123 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: that adoption race, then we will never have to fight 124 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: the war because it will just look too preposterous to 125 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: try to wage it. I remember when you when when 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: you first started SWAN, and I remember you saying that 127 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: was the kind of the goal of the target. So 128 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: you've been kind of pretty focused on that from the beginning. 129 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: In regards to that, I would say a couple of things. 130 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: So One, it seems like, you know, with Biden's executive 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: orders that he put through, maybe that already kind of 132 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: sped up or declared the war potentially. Uh, well's let's 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about that first. So I mean, 134 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: through these Biden in thiccative orders, right, they needed to 135 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: do all this research into you know, digital assets and 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: sterms of make digital currencies. Do you think that was 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: an escalation or you know, speed up the timetable to 138 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: that potential war. Yeah. So that's that's something that I 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: would put in the column of this this delays bitcoin 140 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: adoption and speeds up the potential for some kind of 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: coordinated effort contra bitcoin. So that that's generally how I 142 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: like everything is in one category or the other at 143 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: this point. It's like if you are in Rason Horowitz 144 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: and you start a new fund and you hire some 145 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: regulators as regulators as gps to get around the lobbying alls, 146 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: so they can just spend all their time trying to 147 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: rest regulation over crypto securities from the SEC and and 148 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: basically do regulatory capture of the CFTC by offering them 149 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: tons of money so they will regulate you in a 150 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: friendly fashion. Like that's something that's working contrabitcoin. If you 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: are you know, Ripple and Consensus and you know Vitalic 152 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and Sam Bank and Freed and all these guys. Brian Armstrong, 153 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Freed are some all these guys you know, pumping out 154 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: these E s G narratives and and trying to pretend 155 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: that proof of steak is innovative in some way. And 156 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, Ripple funding Greenpeace to do anti bitcoin proof 157 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: of work campaigns, like you're working contrabitcoin. I'm not going 158 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to tell some dude that I'm playing basketball with who 159 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: happens to be into crypto or blockchain or whatever that 160 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: he's an enemy of human freedom because he's not really 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: understanding it the way that we might. But uh, yeah, 162 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, well um yeah, you're listening to them 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: Arkwall Show. I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston. You can 164 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: find them on Twitter at Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. 165 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about the race to avoid war. Got a 166 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: lot more to dig into when we get back from 167 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: break in just a minute, talking about the race to 168 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: bitcoin adoption and can we get the adoption before the 169 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: war breaks out. We'll be back with that and more 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: in a minute. You don't want to miss it. We'll 171 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, Welcome back. You are listening 172 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about the decentralized Revolution. 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: How the world is changing right before very eyes, as 174 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: we swing back from centralization to decentralization, and we look 175 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: at through the lens of politics, finance, and technology, which 176 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: of course the technology is bitcoin. And I'm joined in 177 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: the studio today with Corey Clipston. He is from Swan Bitcoin. 178 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: You can check him out on Twitter at Corey Clipston 179 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: and also check out Swan Bitcoins event coming up here 180 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: in two weeks in southern California. Check it out a 181 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Pacific Bitcoin dot Com alb speaking there with a whole 182 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: bunch of other heavyweights, Michael Sailor, Alex Alex Epstein, Lynn Alden, 183 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: Jeff Booth, Robert Breed, Preston Pitsch and more. But anyway, Corey, 184 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: we were talking about this, uh, the race to avoid war, 185 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: which you were framing up the inevitable war that it's 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: really it's the it's probably the number one objection that 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: no coiners would have to bitcoin, but the government's going 188 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: to make it illegal, right, And it's that inevitable showdown 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: which everybody kind of knows that the central bankers, the 190 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: powers that be will never want to give up control 191 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: over the money, and so there was always gonna be 192 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: this like inevitable showdown that's coming, right. I think that's 193 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of this war. Um. But back to this war, 194 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: is it speeding up? Um? So we were talking about 195 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: before the break this the Biden executive orders where you know, 196 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: you gave a hundred eight days to do all this 197 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: research and kind of bring this stuff back, which they've done. Um. 198 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: And it seems to be picking up the timetables on 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the c B, DCS as well. And you know, we 200 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: see obviously the rhetoric happening from the E c B 201 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: and the I m F and all these other regulatory bodies. 202 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: But then on the other side, so you said, um, 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: if we can get to ten million users needed, that's 204 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of like this base number. Um, I thought the 205 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: numbers were more like there was twenty five million Americans 206 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: that were already been Yeah, so it's specifically it's bitcoiners 207 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: and a bitcoin or the way I think about it 208 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: is someone who has a decent chunk of their net 209 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: worth in bitcoin and actually has pretty good understanding of 210 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: bitcoin and actually gives a or cares about it. I 211 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: should say, Um, you know, so that's that's a much 212 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: much smaller number. I'd probably peg that at maybe one 213 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand people in the USA today. Um, And 214 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: that's probably I think that's probably about right in that range. Um, 215 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: because you need people that are, you know, going to 216 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: make life a little bit difficult for a politician that 217 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: comes out contra bitcoin, which we saw play out in 218 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: the primaries in the congressional race out here in so 219 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: Cow with Brad Sherman, who's kind of the most vociferous 220 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: anti bitcoin guy in Congress the last few years, and 221 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a prime a challenger came up who was willing to 222 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: learn about bitcoin and willing to talk about it and 223 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: make it an important issue in her campaign. And even 224 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: though she didn't win, he seems pretty obvious he hasn't 225 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: set a peep about bitcoin in a year. It seems 226 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: pretty obvious he got the message that a lot of 227 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: people will come in and make life difficult for him 228 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and and create challengers for him and fund his opposition 229 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: if he goes at bitcoin. So that's the type of 230 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: thing that you need kind of nationwide at every level. 231 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: Is these ten million bitcoiners that are willing to organize 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: around bitcoin, be pro bitcoin and be uh, you know, 233 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: make life difficult for people that are anti bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah, 234 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: and we're definitely getting there. I mean to your point 235 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: that Brad Sherman race was a perfect example of that. UM. 236 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: I also remember, you know, just recently when they tried 237 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: to change UM some of these rules about the protocols 238 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: and what's crypto broker things like that, and they opened 239 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: up for comments UM and then they had so many comments. 240 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, coin Center and so so forth 241 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: put out a data. Let's say that they had no 242 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: idea that they were going to get this type of 243 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: a response and that they were overwhelmed, which you know, 244 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: whatever crypto people or whatever. I don't know what the 245 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: difference of bitcoin or crypto was, but they're just overwhelmed 246 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: by the amount of people that came out in support 247 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: of that, and I think they are taken back by that, 248 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: and it seems like we're starting to see more and 249 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: more politicians kind of running on this. I don't I 250 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't haven't figured out how to divide 251 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: the bitcoin and crypto, but running on this pro bitcoin 252 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: or pro crypto, pro freedom money kind of movement. So 253 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: I can help you very quickly with that one. I mean, 254 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: the coordinated response to try to protect the crypto grift machine, 255 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: that is, everything in the crypto space that's not Bitcoin, 256 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: was basically because they have a ton of funding from 257 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: all these crypto vcs that have been you know, dumping 258 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: these these pump and dumps on retail and clipping the 259 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: coupon on that making a lot of money on that. Um. 260 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: So they have plenty of money to go and try 261 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: to argue their case, which is why they have you know, 262 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: Sam Bankman Freed has six million dollars spent on campaigns 263 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: in the last cycle, and you know, these guys are 264 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: trying to lobby to again get the CFTC to regulate 265 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: crypto instead of the sec things like that. So they 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: have plenty of money to argue for crypto. There's very 267 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: little money to argue for bitcoin. And I think that 268 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: was what we learned in when the infrastructure bill came 269 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: out and had some of this stuff in there, and 270 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: all of the crypto advocates and the blockchain groups and 271 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: the crypto coin center types were perfectly willing to throw 272 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: a Bitcoin under the bus and say that say things 273 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: like running a lightning note is the same as being 274 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: an ethereum staker, and all the sort of false narratives, 275 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: uh to serve their own ends and keep their grift 276 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: going as long as possible. Yeah, and and that's a 277 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: big problem. And we saw I mean recently, you know 278 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: with what SPF Sam BigMan Freeze come out with UM, 279 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, basically kind of lane lane Bitcoin down at 280 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the altar, so to speak, right like hey, fine, like 281 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: get rid of the pow, like we'll comply with the 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: with the green climate energy, you know, like let us 283 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: keep this little kind of piece over here as long 284 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: as we can kind of control it. UM. So we 285 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: see that. But then also you know, so so there 286 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: was a big pushback not just in money spent, but 287 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: in the amount of people that that that said that UM. 288 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: And then also I mean it looks like there's maybe 289 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: at least a dozen, if not maybe a couple of 290 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: dozen of pretty high ranking politicians. Um, we saw, but 291 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: Patrick McHenry was like the head of the Republican head 292 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: of the Financial Refutory Committee. I mean he specifically said 293 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: no bitcoin and it can't be stopped, etcetera. Um, Cynthia 294 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: Loomis name a couple. But I know what, Davidson, Yeah, 295 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a handful that actually get bitcoin 296 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: and are saying things the right way. There's unfortunately, more 297 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: than half of them are really just trying to get 298 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: campaign donations from cryptographs. So they say pro crypto blockchain 299 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: things and talk about innovation that they don't understand because 300 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: there isn't any and they're essentially just trying to get 301 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: the money to flow into their district or their state 302 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. So yeah, this is there's a big 303 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: dichotomy there. There's some people that understand that this is 304 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: freedom money and this is the best thing for America 305 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: for the world is to switch to a bitcoin standard 306 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: over time, and then there's a bunch of people that 307 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: are just looking for the quick buck and you know, 308 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of the politics version of the Matt Damon Super 309 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Bowl ad for uh, you know, a scam website. Yeah, 310 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: and that's a problem, right, especially for people that aren't 311 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: super educated where they they want to be this like 312 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: single issue voter. And so then you get in a 313 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: situation like in New York right where uh, someone runs 314 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: on a pro bitcoin platform and then they want to 315 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: ban bitcoin mining and it's like wait a minute, like 316 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: and so kind of trying to figure that out, but um, yeah, 317 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: it is growing it It's sort of seems to me, 318 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Well then what about what about the bank? So you 319 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of framed up the war against the banks that 320 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: was one of your three factions. But if you look at, um, 321 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot of the big financial institutions, Fidelity 322 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: comes to top of mind, but you know, even Goldman, Sacks, 323 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: et cetera, a lot of them have spent I would 324 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: estimate hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars to 325 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: bring bitcoin services, right. They want to they want to 326 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: tap into it greedily, right, Um, And so they want 327 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: to to offer bitcoin services because there's money to be 328 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: made there. Um. Do they want to just let the 329 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: government just take that away from them? With baby fighting 330 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: for that? Listen, it's multi variat. There's so many things 331 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: going on. The banks want to play a role in 332 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: CBDC stuff. They wanna participate alongside Amazon and Google and 333 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: all the venture firms in squeezing as much profit as 334 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: they possibly can out of this, you know, crypto scam, 335 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: bubble um, crypto, blockchain, magic, whatever um. And at the 336 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: same time, obviously there are revenue streams associated with bitcoin 337 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: as an asset and and increasingly, you know, especially the 338 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: back half of this decade, I think bitcoin as payment rails. 339 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: So there's a fight between firms and inside of firms, 340 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: you know that bitcoin versus crypto versus the legacy system. 341 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: Uh continues unabated. Yeah, you're listening to the Mark Moa Show. 342 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: We're I'm sitting down with Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin. 343 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about the race to avoid war, framing up 344 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: what the war is, and I want to get into 345 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: when we come back, what we're going to do to 346 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: help advance that. We're back in a minute. Don't go away, 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back. You are listening to the Mark 348 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Moa Show talking about the decentralized Revolution, and we're talking 349 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: about bitcoin and the race to avoid war. I'm sitting 350 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: down with Corey Clipston um from swan Bitcoin. Check them out. 351 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: They are a bitcoin company helping people get bitcoin very easy. 352 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: I love how you can buy bitcoin on swan Bitcoin 353 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: and have a delivered directly to your cold storage. That 354 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: limits the risk out of that. So check that out. 355 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: And the upcoming Pacific Bitcoin Conference happening in my backyard 356 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: here in southern California and two weeks check that out 357 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. Now Corey um so so framing 358 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: up this war, we talked about the factions. Um, the 359 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: war is escalating because of what the Biden administration executive 360 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: orders have done, etcetera. We also have um, the banks 361 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: and politicians. Some are kind of in it for their 362 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: own greedy reasons. Some are, you know, kind of there. 363 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: The one thing that I think we kind of also 364 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: have going on on the bitcoin side is that, you know, 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: when the government, when the Biden administration comes out and 366 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: starts talking about clamping down on guns, gun cells go 367 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: through the roof, and it seems like the governments are 368 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: almost doing bitcoin marketing in a sense where like you 369 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: have the Trucker protest right and like they start seizing 370 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: people's money and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, shoot, 371 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: that money in the bank isn't safe. Maybe I should 372 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: think about bitcoin. And so all of a sudden, bitcoin 373 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: kind of came to the forefront of people's minds, and 374 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: it seems like, um, you know, like people would say, well, 375 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: they'll just make it illegal, and I'm like, well, like 376 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: the war on drugs, Uh, since ninety one, since the 377 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: da was formed, drugs have only gotten bigger and bigger. 378 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: And when the government tells you not to do drugs, 379 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't make me want to do them. But if 380 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: the government tells me I don't have the right to 381 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: keep my wealth in a way they can't steal or 382 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: manipulate from me, it sort of makes me want to 383 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: do that. Do you think that maybe the more they 384 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: try to crack down and shove a cbc D down 385 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: our throats, maybe that actually highlights and pushes the need 386 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: for a bitcoin. I mean, I know you need it, 387 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: needs I know you believe it pushes the need more it. Yeah, 388 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: I think CBDCs, if they roll out in any major economy, 389 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: will ring the alarm bell. So I think what you'll 390 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: see is, let's say, if CBDC rolls out in central 391 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: bank digital currency, where the literally the central bank controls 392 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: the whole damn thing, and there's no banks in between, 393 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: and they can just like put money in your wallet 394 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: or take it away or create rules like you know, 395 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: you can use it on yogurt but not on ice 396 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: cream things like that. Um. So if that rolls out 397 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: in some in an economy like the UK, and Americans 398 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: are looking across the drink at something like that, I 399 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: think you would basically see all the conservatives and constitutionalists 400 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and libertarians just go absolutely nuts and and get orange 401 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: pilled very very quickly, kind of the way all the 402 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: macro people found a bitcoin in UH after the COVID crash. 403 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: I think that would be that same kind of thing. 404 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: If you actually started to see a a really nasty, 405 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: you know, CCP style CBDC roll out in a Western nation, 406 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: especially in economy of some size, I think that would 407 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: be the wake up call to the UH the you know, 408 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: sort of freedom minded organizations and and swass of the 409 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: political spectrum in the USA. Yeah. Yeah, and so we're 410 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: definitely going to see that. I saw I was talking 411 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: about earlier, um, this article from the I m F. 412 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: I'm talking about how central bank digital currencies would let 413 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: governments control what people spend money on. Right, That's what 414 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: they said, and uh Neil Kasharski, president of the Federal 415 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, wrote quote, I can see how 416 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: China is for this. I don't see how Americans would 417 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: want this. And so we all went from big neo 418 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: cash Cary haters a couple of years ago to being 419 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: big Neil fans a couple of months ago when he 420 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: tweeted that out. Um, yeah, he's got that right, he 421 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: nailed it. This is this is marching into the arms 422 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: of tyranny and the worst dreams of science fiction writers 423 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: of the sixth season seventies. If you go this this way, 424 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: this is not the American way. Yeah, it also seems. 425 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: And so you framed up these different factions, right, so 426 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: you have the banks and let's just talk about the 427 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the banks and the Federal Reserve. Um. I had I 428 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: had done a YouTube video a while back, a month 429 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: or two ago, um talking about this kind of from 430 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: a different angle, which was just like this this ultimate war, 431 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: this ultimate showdown where the central banks don't want to 432 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: give up control over money, which we would all agree on, Um, 433 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: which central bank wants to give up control of money. So, um, 434 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: it seems like you have like this euro Davos ECB group, 435 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: which kind of the Obama Biden administration is going along 436 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: with that. Um, which then they have this whole Green 437 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: Transition initiative which they want to spend a hundred and 438 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: fifty trillion dollars over the next thirty years, which would 439 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: then crush the currencies to print that much more. And 440 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: then the FED seems to be fighting act like does 441 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: the Fed want to give up control over the dollar 442 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: to the e c B. So you kind of have 443 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: this in fighting. But then at the same time you 444 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: have the bank. So in the United States we still 445 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: have like the Federal Reserve, and then we have these 446 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: independent banks, right, and so the banks don't want to 447 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: give up control over the money either, And so you 448 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: have like the banks fighting against the Fed, the FED 449 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: fighting against the ECB. Maybe they have enough on their 450 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: hands to worry about. Well, I think I think it's 451 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: probably it's a mistake to say, hey, these are the adversaries. 452 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: What it really is about is there are people, governments 453 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: and companies that do things that help bitcoin adoption and 454 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: help us run faster. And there are people governments and 455 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: companies that do things that hurt bitcoin adoption and make 456 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: us run slower, and that increases the likelihood that a 457 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: war on bitcoin and bitcoiners takes place, and it uh 458 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: basically brings it further forward that it could happen sooner, 459 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: you know, so basically makes it harder for us to 460 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: win this race if it if the war comes sooner 461 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: with more force. And so there can be people governments 462 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: and companies that do a bit of both. As you 463 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: were noting, there are people, there are companies and banks 464 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: that are making it easier to buy a bitcoin while 465 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: also participating in all this anti bitcoin stuff out the 466 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: other side. Like I've got a I've got a bank's 467 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: venture arm trying to invest in Swan at the same 468 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: time as their you know, commercial banking division dropped us 469 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: yesterday morning with no notice, no email, no phone call, note, 470 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: like nothing. That thing is like funded to make payroll 471 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the month, and they took our 472 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, half mill that was in that account and 473 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: just sent it into the ether. And I have to 474 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: go like hunt it down, and they're going to mail 475 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: a check to my old home address that I haven't 476 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: lived in in two years, you know, fifteen days from now, 477 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: and and you can't talk to them, You can't get 478 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: them to wire the money, you can't go pick it 479 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: up at a branch. You can't get them to send 480 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: it to the right address. It has to go to 481 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: the old address, get returned, then they can send it 482 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: to a new address. And a couple of months and 483 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: until then, you know, a growing tech company doesn't have 484 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: their half mill And and again we got shut down 485 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: with zero notice. So I think every time you interact 486 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: with with the banks, and you see, I mean like 487 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: they're not aligned. There's people inside this bank that love 488 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: bitcoin or they're pushing it hard, but another division is 489 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: doing stuff like this. So, like I said, I think 490 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: there are there are fights within governments, there are fights 491 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: within banks, and there are fights you know on the 492 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: individual level. Two right, there are there are people that 493 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: really like bitcoin that don't quite understand yet what their 494 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: crypto activities are doing. Two increase the chance of a 495 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: war on bitcoin and and decrease you know, the chance 496 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: of us of us not having to fight a war, 497 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, or our children being able to enjoy a 498 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: post bitcoin eyes future and the prosperity and freedom that 499 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: comes with that, or you know, maybe just don't make 500 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: the connection that their actions promoting crypto scams uh is 501 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: increasing the chance that some country lives through an episode 502 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: of hyperinflation that that wouldn't happen under bitcoin. So I 503 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: think it's it's incumbent upon each of us two come 504 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: to an understanding like this, however you get to it, 505 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: or however you end up framing it for yourself. But 506 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, everything that the Privacy and no k y 507 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: C bitcoin faction does is making Bitcoin look harder to 508 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: attack every time somebody sets up, you know, a mining 509 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: operation in the hinterlands of some country on the other 510 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: side of the world to make Bitcoin harder to attack. 511 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: And so you're kind of hitting it from both sides. 512 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: We're pushing adoptions super hard here in the West with Swan, 513 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: while at the same time very much supporting through you know, 514 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: like my venture activities and just kind of promoting on 515 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: all our media channels whatever we can about people that 516 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: make the bitcoin look hard or two attack. Everyone's working 517 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: in concert. If you look at you know, are you 518 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: doing something that's good for bitcoin and helping us win 519 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: the race, or are you doing something that's you know, 520 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: bad for bitcoin and making it harder to win the 521 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: race and thus bring about a war on bitcoin. Yeah, uh, 522 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: you're if you're just tune in and listening to the 523 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Mark mo Show. We're talking with Corey Clipston from Swan 524 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: Bitcoin talking about the race to avoid war. This is 525 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: the inevitable showdown of what we want to use as money. 526 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back with more in a minute. I 527 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about what we can do to speed 528 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: it up to win that race. You want to talk 529 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: about some of these concrete things and maybe talk about 530 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: some time frames. Will speculate a little bit. We're back 531 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: with that and more in a minute. Don't go away, 532 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. All right, Welcome back. You are 533 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark moa Show, sitting down today with 534 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: Corey Clipston from Swan Bitcoin, and we are discussing the 535 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: race to avoid war. We're talking about the inevitable showdown 536 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: with money and us having the freedom to be able 537 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: to choose what money we want to use. That gives 538 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: a the freedom of privacy that allows us to then 539 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: be able to transact. I like to say that without 540 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: the freedom of payments, there is no freedom at all. Period. 541 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people haven't really taken the time to 542 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: think through that. But we know that the powers that be, 543 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: whatever facts should you want to frame up, they don't 544 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: want to give up the control over money. It's been 545 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: the probably one of the oldest battles in in mankind. 546 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, Corey is with a swan bitcoin um. Also, 547 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about the Pacific Bitcoin Conference coming up in 548 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: about two weeks here in southern California. Check it out 549 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. Some of the biggest speakers in 550 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: the space, Michael Sailor, Alex Epstein, Lenld and Jeff Booth, 551 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: Robert Breedlove, Preston Pish, and of course myself and Corey 552 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: will be there. Come check it out Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. 553 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: But Corey, let's talk about UM. Let's talk about this 554 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: bat a little bit and and maybe some of the 555 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: things that we can do now. I'm hopeful and maybe 556 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm just as humans, we have to be aware of 557 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: our own biases, right and I'm an I've an optimist. 558 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Is optimism biased? I know I have to kind of 559 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: check app But like I said earlier, like they're almost 560 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: doing the marketing for us. I see h Augustine Carston's 561 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: from the b I S he said, quote absolute, he said, 562 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: the central banks will have quote absolute control over the 563 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: rules and regulations that will determine the use of that 564 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: expression of central bank liability. And then we'll also have 565 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: the technology to enforce it. So absolute control. And so 566 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: my hope, my optimism biases that as more people see 567 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: these things, are gonna wake up and realize like how 568 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: bad this is. But they're on their path and hopefully 569 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: maybe there's some in fighting that slows them down along 570 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: the way and we get a couple um congressman, senators, 571 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: etcetera slow it down. But I know you were kind 572 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: of focused on getting this uh ten million number needed 573 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: or number needed. I mean, what what what does the 574 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: average person do to really kind of help win this 575 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: war or the race to the war? Yeah, so to 576 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: to to win this adoption race, and let's avoid this 577 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: are on bitcoin that again I don't think is inevitable. 578 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: There's an inevitable switch over to bitcoin. It's just a 579 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: question of when it actually of course, And you know 580 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about sort of timelines and for 581 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: not prognostications like I think it can happen as fast 582 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: as like and that bitcoin can be established as you know, 583 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: a mature store of value market cap will be you know, 584 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: probably north of fifty trillion trillions something like that, and 585 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: a widely used medium of exchange, and at minimum another 586 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: unit of account, probably global where you may still have 587 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: some existing fiat currencies like the dollar. Euro is probably gone, 588 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, and it's probably still around maybe the un 589 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: UM and you know, the price tag would also have 590 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: Satoshi's on it. Um. So that's what I think will 591 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: happen if we win the adoption. I would I would 592 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: say I would probably speed I'm going to speed that 593 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: up a little bit. I think. I think by the 594 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: end of the decade, I think we get there. And 595 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: the reason why is, I mean just looking at S curve, right, 596 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: So S curve measures like a technology adoption rates. Yeah, 597 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: typically is kind of kind of full adoption, right, So 598 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: if you look at the telephone, the color TV, the 599 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: black and white TV, the washer machine, etcetera. So typically 600 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: the time it takes go from zero to ten percent, 601 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: at the time it takes go from ten to ninety 602 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: and so we probably hit about ten percent adoption by 603 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, and so maybe by maybe we get 604 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: to that number. Um, we're all looking in a crystal ball, 605 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: we don't have. I've been I've been talking about this 606 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: quite a lot this year as well, and in particular 607 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: because I I realized that I didn't think it actually 608 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: fit technology adoption curves. And there's a book written by 609 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: Carlotta Perez back in two thousand two called Technological Revolutions 610 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: and Financial Capital, and I took it with me for 611 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: the summer and re read it over the summer. I 612 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: hadn't probably read it since I think I read it 613 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: for the first time in or something like that. And uh, 614 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I think bitcoin is one of these things that comes 615 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: along every like, you know, thirty to eighty years, so 616 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: the last one being the start of the information revolution, 617 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: which she at least marks as the first intel chip 618 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: rolling off of a fab in one, and then before 619 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: that the first model t rolling off. So that was 620 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: the the age of mass production. So whenever in the 621 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: nineteen o six or something like that, and before that, 622 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, industrial revolution and before that steam right, So 623 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: I think it's something about every fifty years. Yeah, it 624 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: could be a lot bigger. Yeah, So in in what 625 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: distinguishes a technological revolution from a single technology that made 626 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, social media, Hey, there's an industry vertical that 627 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: got created right, and it had a technology adoption curve. 628 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: A technological revolution has an adoption curve that actually changes 629 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: all industries. And I can't think of anything that fits 630 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: that better than changing the money for all industries. And 631 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: so I think bitcoin is much much bigger than iPads 632 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: or the internet, you know, consumer Internet or something like that. 633 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's bigger, and I think 634 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: it's more like on the order of the information revolution 635 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: or the age of mass production or something like that. 636 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: So I am kind of thinking that this, I think 637 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: is like aggressive but possible, and it's probably even without 638 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: fighting a war. You're probably looking at bitcoin being everywhere 639 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: by and it could be delayed significantly by decades, maybe 640 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: even to the next century. If we let the crypto 641 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: scammers have their way, if we let the CBDC scammers 642 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: have their way, if we let the banks do what 643 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: they've always done and just kind of like ride rough 644 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: shot over the people. Um, you know, we need to 645 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: fight for this thing. And you asked, you know, what 646 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: can any individual person do, like educate yourself and find 647 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: your list of resources to help your friends. You know, 648 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: I always give away swan dot com slash free book, 649 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: which is in my view, the best book ever written 650 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: on bitcoin, Inventing Bitcoin by Yon Pritzker. Um. I think 651 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: the Bitcoin Canon is an amazing resource. So this is 652 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: bitcoiners that have been around for a long time putting 653 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: together there go to list of resources on different topics, 654 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: which would be like bitcoin and macro bitcoin and energy 655 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: bitcoin one oh one, bitcoin and privacy things like that. 656 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: So that's a Swan dot com slash canon C A 657 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: N O N and you can see, you know, what 658 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: Matt O'Dell has to say about a topic or safety, 659 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: and or Stefan Lavera or len Aldon on different topics 660 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: that they're passionate about, and they've sat down and created 661 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: a curated list of resources on that topic for you 662 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: to dive into. And I find that to be one 663 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: of the best. Those are like the best links that 664 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: you can send people new to bitcoin because they can 665 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: find somebody that they like and they trust, and then 666 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: you can send them what that person has to say 667 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: about what's important in bitcoin. Yeah, it's always through education, 668 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: you know. I constantly, uh I constantly just recite the 669 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: quote for um Samuel Adams and said it doesn't take 670 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: a majority to prevail, but rather a small irate minority 671 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: keen on something brush fires in the minds of men, 672 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: and that brush fire is that educational piece, like waking 673 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: people up to these things. And I like to tell 674 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: people to like, don't just don't just receive this information 675 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: that you and I are discussing, or I do on 676 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: my shows or you do on other shows, Like, don't 677 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: just don't just receive it, but like, go discuss it 678 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: with somebody else, right, go share it and just create 679 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: a discussion about it. Spark that creativity, sparked that brush fire, 680 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: and it just continues to spread and spread and spread. Yeah, 681 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: you're you're so right about finding somebody to discuss it with. 682 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: And I think it's probably been like a year since 683 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: I said this this U r L on air somewhere, 684 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: and I don't know why I stopped, but like, there 685 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: are I think Telegram is probably the place where the 686 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: best bitcoin discussions happen other than in public on Twitter. 687 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: And so if you download Telegram, then in any browser 688 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: you can just put t dot me slash swan bitcoin 689 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: and in there are like thousands of people that are 690 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: just talking about bitcoin topics and discussing bitcoin and helping 691 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: each other learn about bitcoin and sending tips to each 692 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: other and new resources and links, and a lot of 693 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: the top people in bitcoin that that come on our shows, 694 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: like Mark and and Uh and Land and a lot 695 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: of these folks will be in there and you can 696 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: actually just ask them questions in real time. So yeah, 697 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: I think conversation is a big part of it. Um. 698 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I should mention, by the way, since you mentioned the 699 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: conference a couple of times, use code swan s w 700 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: a N for off of tickets And if you're down 701 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: for the v i P experience, there's an amazing v 702 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: i P party on the evening of the first night, 703 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: and then there's a beach mansion rap party on the 704 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: twelfth on Saturday that is also part of the v 705 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: i P experience. So I think it's uh, it's a 706 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: heck of a deal for people that want to kind 707 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: of upgrade their conference experience and use code swan either way, Yep, 708 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: for sure, Pacific Bitcoin dot Com. I'm gonna be there 709 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: hanging out. Um. It's probably cold somewhere wherever you're at 710 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: in some part of the part of the world, and 711 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: November is an amazing time to be in southern California, 712 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: is some of the best weather of the year and 713 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: not the summer, it's the fall, so come to Pacific 714 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: bitcoin dot com check it out. You're listening to the 715 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: Markmas Show, sitting down with Corey Klipston from Swan Bitcoin. 716 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.