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Speaker 1: I am your host, Jonathan Strickland joining me in my
Speaker 1: hotel room. Is my esteemed guest co host Ben Oh. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. You know that
Speaker 1: first David came out a little bit weird. Hey ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Ben Bullen and I want to say, Jonathan, Uh,
Speaker 1: here we are with our super producer Dylan, who's also
Speaker 1: in my hotel room. Yes, and we're in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: l Las Vegas, Nevada. Last if I sound weird, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons for that. One. We are recording
Speaker 1: this using law of microphones and on our normal studio
Speaker 1: microphones too. I've been talking all day, so my voice
Speaker 1: is starting to get a little uh weak. I was
Speaker 1: a crokey, little lower, little, a little stronger. Yeah it
Speaker 1: sounds like that, Yeah, exactly. Is your mother's name Martha.
Speaker 1: And then also we're in a hotel room obviously not
Speaker 1: a studio, so it's gonna have a totally different sound
Speaker 1: to it. But we wanted to record this because we
Speaker 1: are actually here in Las Vegas. We are attending ce
Speaker 1: s C s of course, formerly known as the Consumer
Speaker 1: Electronics Show, but technically it's just CEES now. We are
Speaker 1: doing this as a team effort, although we kind of
Speaker 1: have two production teams exploring c E s uh and
Speaker 1: then you are one of those teams. I'm on the other.
Speaker 1: And one other thing I should point out, this is
Speaker 1: my ninth c Yeah, congratulations. Do we get a sound game? Rooms?
Speaker 1: Too bad? You don't have your little air horn app
Speaker 1: do yes? Go ahead, pull up vamp Yes, Yes, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. It is so important that I've been here
Speaker 1: nine years, so important in fact, that my badge has
Speaker 1: a little white ribbon on it that says five plus
Speaker 1: years on it. So I can I can feel. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's superior the right word. Hit it, Ben,
Speaker 1: hit it. Let's celebrate perfect then perfect. We're also a
Speaker 1: little loopy, okay, So yeah, Las Vegas. For those who
Speaker 1: are not in the United States, Las Vegas is in
Speaker 1: the Pacific time zone. We are from Atlanta, Georgia, which
Speaker 1: is in the Eastern time zone. That's three hours ahead
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas. So while it is currently in the
Speaker 1: PM in Las Vegas, it's a little after midnight back home,
Speaker 1: so we're a little loopy. We're exhausted. We've had a
Speaker 1: long day on the show floor today as we're recording,
Speaker 1: this was the first day the show floor itself was open,
Speaker 1: although we've been in Las Vegas a few days. Because
Speaker 1: ce S is always preceded by a couple of press
Speaker 1: days where they have special events for the press, they
Speaker 1: have press conferences. Now, Ben, as a first time attendee
Speaker 1: of c e S, I want to hear or what
Speaker 1: your reactions perceptions that sort of thing have been, because
Speaker 1: I've done this enough times now where it doesn't like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't view it through the eyes of
Speaker 1: someone who's never been here before. Man oh, Jonathan Strickland,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, sensory overload. I've only been to Las
Speaker 1: Vegas once before my entire life, and it was earlier
Speaker 1: in twos sixteen. The bright lights alone, right, the seizure
Speaker 1: inviting lights and also decor yes yes understated is what
Speaker 1: insult that has never been applied to laws veges. But
Speaker 1: what one thing that was that was amazing is uh,
Speaker 1: the entire the entirety of technology laid out, So for
Speaker 1: any fans of science fiction listening to tech stuff, you
Speaker 1: know you're familiar with episodes Jonathan's done on vaporware for instance, Right,
Speaker 1: and the next big, big idea that has always uh
Speaker 1: sort of like that old Alice in Wonderland joke, Jam yesterday,
Speaker 1: jam tomorrow, jam today. Yeah, nailed it. And so what
Speaker 1: we're what we're seeing here full disclosure. I am here
Speaker 1: and and our team is here entirely to focus on
Speaker 1: the future of automotive technology. But when you invited us
Speaker 1: to come with you to see us seen, to see
Speaker 1: the actual experience and listeners, just so you know, you
Speaker 1: can check out Jonathan's earlier episodes on CS where and
Speaker 1: and I I half wish that you could hear and
Speaker 1: am half thankful that you will never hear Jonathan Strickland
Speaker 1: on his legendary day back in the office after es
Speaker 1: those haunted eyes my friends, and there's thousand yards stare. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so the first, uh, the first thing I would
Speaker 1: say was that the first event we went to was
Speaker 1: see Us unveiled, and c S unveiled is your longtime
Speaker 1: listeners are familiar with It's uh, it's a press only event, right,
Speaker 1: so there are no other like the only people who
Speaker 1: are there are exhibitors, who have been invited to participate
Speaker 1: in cees unveiled and the press covering it. And then
Speaker 1: you know people of the actual venue who are bringing
Speaker 1: in copious amounts of shrimp cocktail right right, right right,
Speaker 1: which you warned me against. Yeah, well no, no, I
Speaker 1: warned myself against. I'm allergic to shrimps, ray shotguns. Three,
Speaker 1: because what is life if not living? So what astounded
Speaker 1: me there was that there were this panopoly of various
Speaker 1: wildly different technological devices, uh, some of some of which
Speaker 1: were relatively focused on a single idea, like a single
Speaker 1: call in response, like it was it was an implementation
Speaker 1: of a very identifiable concept. Yeah, exactly, So, like you
Speaker 1: look at the thing, and even if the thing itself
Speaker 1: doesn't immediately tell you what it does, a glance at
Speaker 1: its name or a quick look at the description like okay,
Speaker 1: that I totally get what that's supposed to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then there were these other things which
Speaker 1: were much more big picture, much more abstract, you know, ephemeral,
Speaker 1: ephemeral and and do check out our our video of
Speaker 1: of you Jonathan uh learning how to sleep vies smell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so and so there
Speaker 1: were all these there were. I think what struck me
Speaker 1: was the sheer varieties not the right word, the sheer
Speaker 1: altitude of stuff. Right. And then there's no there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to it. Right, It's not like they're
Speaker 1: it's not like CS Unveiled is divided up into zones. Right,
Speaker 1: you don't have here are three different drone manufacturers, and
Speaker 1: we're just gonna put them all together because those are
Speaker 1: all that. You know, people who want to see drones
Speaker 1: all go there. No, they might be anywhere in that room.
Speaker 1: And uh so they might have a drone manufacturer right
Speaker 1: next to a company that makes products specifically for infants,
Speaker 1: um really for their parents, because infants have notoriously terrible
Speaker 1: buying habits. And then you might have another one next
Speaker 1: to that that's an automotive like aftermarket stereo system. There's
Speaker 1: no real logic to the layout. You you absolutely have
Speaker 1: to go aisle by aisle in this room to see
Speaker 1: all the stuff, or else you might miss something important
Speaker 1: booth by booth, and and and it's really table by
Speaker 1: table because it's not. We warned you the of us
Speaker 1: who have been here before that that CES Unveiled is
Speaker 1: not what the rest of ce s looks right, And
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was so loud and Jonathan
Speaker 1: you you were, you were so um it was like
Speaker 1: it was my first day on the force or something.
Speaker 1: Listen to your rookie, right, We're gonna come at you
Speaker 1: from all sides. Did you stick with me? And you'll
Speaker 1: you'll get through the day, right, right? And I and uh,
Speaker 1: you said, this is just a taste, And I was
Speaker 1: already so now you I thought I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: get across the border. You remember that, Yeah, and uh?
Speaker 1: Wrong story short, not to be too Nabokov about it,
Speaker 1: but I had this, uh, I had this mismatched badge
Speaker 1: that had imposter syndrome. Alright, so let's tell this story
Speaker 1: because I think it is interesting. It's okay, it's just
Speaker 1: a minor, little little thing that happened. But um, anyone
Speaker 1: who's ever had to work with online forums, you know,
Speaker 1: there can sometimes be little oversights, like there could be
Speaker 1: some sort of automated UH code that doesn't always check
Speaker 1: all the right boxes, and if a box goes unchecked, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the end result is that you get the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: Ben and I, out of the group of eight people
Speaker 1: who came here, from how Stuff Works were the victims
Speaker 1: of this cruel arrangement where when we went to retrieve
Speaker 1: our badges, we were designated as industry attendees. Now now
Speaker 1: c e S has different categories of badges, right, you
Speaker 1: have media, which that's the press. You have exhibition press,
Speaker 1: which means your exhibitor press, I think is what they
Speaker 1: call it. Exhibitor press means that you are you also
Speaker 1: have at presence on the show floor and you get
Speaker 1: access early access to the show floor because of that.
Speaker 1: So people who have exhibitor press badges, they can go
Speaker 1: to the show floor even when it's not technically open
Speaker 1: to the to the rest of the attendees, it's not
Speaker 1: open to the public at all. Then you have like
Speaker 1: other like you know, industry analysts or exhibitor badges, buyer
Speaker 1: government yea. So we both had industry attendee, which is
Speaker 1: the most vague of all the categories. And we went
Speaker 1: to the casino where they have the press day, which
Speaker 1: is well really the convention center, which is at Mandalaid Bay.
Speaker 1: So we go to Mandalais Bay and before we even
Speaker 1: try to get in line, we had at least the
Speaker 1: sense to ask the rest of our team has media badges,
Speaker 1: we have these industry attendee badges. Are we gonna have
Speaker 1: a problem And they said, yes, you are, go over
Speaker 1: here and get in line for people who are having issues.
Speaker 1: And we got to the front of line sure enough.
Speaker 1: Very nice lady who was who was sitting there said
Speaker 1: did you have to pick up your badges at the airport?
Speaker 1: And we're like yes, and she's like yeah. So apparently
Speaker 1: we were not the first happened to you as a
Speaker 1: veteran got through. It was weird because apparently with mine
Speaker 1: it was just a simple matter of checking that box
Speaker 1: or un checking it or whatever it was. But Ben,
Speaker 1: with you, the system just did not want to make
Speaker 1: you press for a really long time, I know, in
Speaker 1: the first year. But you know what, it was worth it.
Speaker 1: It was worth it to get in there. And on
Speaker 1: our second day, and we're recording this, by the way,
Speaker 1: before our final day, so we're this is our third
Speaker 1: day as we're recording, yeah, yeah, And the second day
Speaker 1: was still not officially open, and there were these amazing
Speaker 1: press conferences, some of which were controversial, which we looked
Speaker 1: at in a live stream. And today was our first
Speaker 1: day on the show floor and we we kind of
Speaker 1: like uh, divided and conquered, right, And so you were
Speaker 1: running and gunning as fast and as hard as you could,
Speaker 1: mainly focusing on North Hall because in c s there
Speaker 1: are there are actually several centers where there are exhibits.
Speaker 1: So the one that's probably best known as the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Convention Center, which has more than like a million
Speaker 1: square feet of exhibition space, uh, and that has three
Speaker 1: halls of North Hall at Central Hall and a South hall.
Speaker 1: The North Hall is where almost all the automotive technology
Speaker 1: is located. And because you're the host of Car Stuff
Speaker 1: and you're they're focusing on automation. Also, this is a
Speaker 1: good time to mention there is a companion episode to
Speaker 1: this episode right the episode we're recording right now, the
Speaker 1: Tech Stuff episode, we have a companion piece of Car Stuff,
Speaker 1: which technically is already published and yet paradoxically we have
Speaker 1: not recorded yet. This is just like Looper. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like that. It's just like that scene in Looper.
Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to Car Stuff, first of all,
Speaker 1: shame on you go and subscribe to car Stuff right away.
Speaker 1: It's not amazing show. Ben and Scott do a phenomenal job.
Speaker 1: And um, but you'll be able to hear more about
Speaker 1: the vehicle focused technology in that episode and I'm a
Speaker 1: guest on that. Uh, So we're not going to focus
Speaker 1: on that too much here. But when you walked into
Speaker 1: that North Hall and you started to see how how
Speaker 1: various companies had structured their booths in order to try
Speaker 1: and draw people in, I mean, that's the whole purpose
Speaker 1: of cees is pull pull people in so you can
Speaker 1: convince them that your product is awesome. What was your
Speaker 1: first kind of impression walking into the North Hall at
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Convention Center. Oh? Okay, So to set the scene,
Speaker 1: we luckily, we luckily have some seasoned guides, so so
Speaker 1: our crew members and uh and you, Jonathan have been
Speaker 1: there before. So US US cubs and rookies are like
Speaker 1: are pretty much at this point following the guide, and
Speaker 1: we talked about how is like a scene in an
Speaker 1: RPG video game where where the characters are shown the
Speaker 1: different parts of the map and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: fog of war as well. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so so we get there and we're out about ten
Speaker 1: minutes from when the doors open, and there there's a
Speaker 1: crowd of people congregating, and when I say congregating, I
Speaker 1: mean easily what twenty yards behind us filled with people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the way it works is that the doors are
Speaker 1: the doors are technically open in the sense that they're
Speaker 1: not shut, but no one is allowed to go in
Speaker 1: unless they have that exhibitor press or they are an
Speaker 1: exhibitor the hoi POLOI like media and all the other
Speaker 1: folks who are not on officially exhibitors. The Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not allowed to go inside until the first day. It
Speaker 1: starts at ten am. So we were probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen or twenty people back from the from where
Speaker 1: the doors were at most right, and then more and
Speaker 1: more gathered behind us as the time drew nigh for
Speaker 1: them to allow us. And I was actually amazed at
Speaker 1: how crowded North Hall got right away, because as whenever
Speaker 1: I did see, yes, the old days before I was
Speaker 1: covering stuff for Toyota, I say North Hall for the
Speaker 1: second day, and uh, I always I always thought people
Speaker 1: who were hitting South Hall at Central Hall the hardest
Speaker 1: because there are a lot there's a lot more general
Speaker 1: technology there. But this year, I mean there was a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement around vehicles, so the first thing, so
Speaker 1: I'm very much like a cheap skate, right. So first
Speaker 1: thing I see on the left, I see like some
Speaker 1: bags and uh, I'm thinking, you know, we've got crew
Speaker 1: with us, they've already got stuff. We might see some
Speaker 1: This is my rationalization for grabbing two bags. And so
Speaker 1: do these bags and walking and we know we have
Speaker 1: to go to the left, and we're angling the entire time.
Speaker 1: We're working as this hive mind unit. But it's hard
Speaker 1: to pay attention to our unit. It's so easy to
Speaker 1: get lost in a crowd of stuff, thing you care about.
Speaker 1: And there's you know, there's a high performance autonomous car
Speaker 1: to the right, you know what I mean. There's a
Speaker 1: Faraday future beckoning in the distance. I see the neon glow.
Speaker 1: There's a booming system lasting base. Yeah. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there are a lot of demands on your attention that
Speaker 1: are all simultaneously. It was, yeah, it was immediate sensory overload,
Speaker 1: and we, uh, we saw that it was hitting. The
Speaker 1: weird thing was if you walk in and you find
Speaker 1: what do we call like an island where there's not
Speaker 1: that river of people, and you turn and you see, uh,
Speaker 1: you see people walking in probably about maybe five to
Speaker 1: ten feet and then stopping and just sort of getting
Speaker 1: divide and looking around. If I wasn't with a group
Speaker 1: of people and at work, you would have been one
Speaker 1: of those folks. Absolutely. I don't know how long it
Speaker 1: would have stood there, And anyone who's been doing it
Speaker 1: for a while, like you'll, you'll, you'll hear us start
Speaker 1: to grouse about. Look, you can, you can, you can
Speaker 1: step off to the side and gawk. I have places
Speaker 1: I need to be. That's another thing. So many people
Speaker 1: stop in the middle of the thing. Well, and here's ben.
Speaker 1: When I started doing this, it was two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and so the iPhone had only been out a year,
Speaker 1: and um, and smartphones weren't that big a thing, right,
Speaker 1: smartphones not not everyone had them yet. Sure, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people in ce s did, but not
Speaker 1: everyone had. And you didn't have nearly the number of
Speaker 1: apps or social media platforms that were easily accessible on
Speaker 1: your right. So add to all the demands of an
Speaker 1: unattentioned we just listed a second ago all the ones
Speaker 1: that you're already carrying with you with your smartphone, and
Speaker 1: you're essentially you're essentially suffering a d D. You are
Speaker 1: like a d D personified, and some people are compelled
Speaker 1: to whip out their smartphone and check it every couple
Speaker 1: of feet, even if there's a multitude of people behind
Speaker 1: them that's desperately trying to get to the other side
Speaker 1: of the hall. Get that endorphin rush. I've got to
Speaker 1: ask you, this is this is your ninth years, so on,
Speaker 1: so on your on your ninth year, this is this
Speaker 1: is to some degree, a lot of people would think
Speaker 1: this is old hat. I disagree with that because we've
Speaker 1: talked off air, and the thing is, while the maybe
Speaker 1: the bureaucratic parts of it, the housekeeping parts of it,
Speaker 1: might be old hat, what it means to what it
Speaker 1: means to me is that you have a nose for
Speaker 1: the things that stick out well. I can, because I've
Speaker 1: been cutting it so long. I can see the things
Speaker 1: that are brand new, or at least are are noticeable
Speaker 1: enough this year to be called brand new, right that.
Speaker 1: I usually say trendsit c e s have kind of
Speaker 1: a three year arc before they become really well known.
Speaker 1: First year is when you might only see one or
Speaker 1: two examples of a particular type of technology or or
Speaker 1: something that a particular type of technology is trying to do.
Speaker 1: Like it may be that the technology itself can take
Speaker 1: many different forms, but it's all being done for the
Speaker 1: same purpose, right. Uh, So that first year you might
Speaker 1: only see one or two examples. The second year and
Speaker 1: they might be prototypes, they might not even be production models.
Speaker 1: The second year you start seeing production models out of
Speaker 1: a couple of niche companies. The third year you start
Speaker 1: seeing the bigger companies developed their own version of that
Speaker 1: niche market stuff, and then it becomes mainstream and or
Speaker 1: the other flip side of it is, no one buys
Speaker 1: the stuff and it just fades away. So a great
Speaker 1: example of something that was uh that trickled in then
Speaker 1: was omnipresent and now no one talks about it really
Speaker 1: that much anymore. Is three D television. Three D TV
Speaker 1: just didn't happen. I mean, there are like almost every
Speaker 1: television that's sold today has a three D mode or
Speaker 1: is three D compliant, But consumers just didn't jump on that.
Speaker 1: They didn't care. They didn't want to have to have
Speaker 1: an extra set of hardware in order that them to
Speaker 1: watch their TV. So that was something that they the
Speaker 1: industry pushed really hard for several years and then ultimately
Speaker 1: it's a non talking point. It just doesn't come up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it maybe included in the specs for a device,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not prominently advertised typically, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's it's not something that we hear. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not something that we hear networks or currency creators talking
Speaker 1: about more. But on the flip side, Uh, something else
Speaker 1: that was just getting started when I started going to
Speaker 1: ce S were consumer drones. You were seeing just a
Speaker 1: few of those on the market, and the first ones
Speaker 1: were just quad copters that didn't have any like they
Speaker 1: might have a very basic camera on them, but it
Speaker 1: was mostly too to allow you to do like some
Speaker 1: fun like a r type stuff. Parrot drones were probably
Speaker 1: the best example of that, early on, pretty expensive, and
Speaker 1: now today there every everyone has a drone. Like it's crazy,
Speaker 1: you you Intel has drones on display, Um, they're uh,
Speaker 1: Polaroid has drones on display. It's weird because in order
Speaker 1: to fly it, you first have to pick it up
Speaker 1: and shake it really hard for like thirty seconds. It
Speaker 1: develops the ability to fly and then sponsored hey, hey
Speaker 1: he's a local, local guy right, well, local to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: not in Las Vegas. Oh yeah, visit us if you
Speaker 1: want to do it our home office. We'll walk over
Speaker 1: to the Whole Foods where you see that guy at
Speaker 1: the Olive our story. Oh really yeah, Wow, Well I
Speaker 1: didn't interrupt them. I'm gonna have to go over the
Speaker 1: Whole food is more for you going to I feel
Speaker 1: like we didn't have anything in common. That's terrible because
Speaker 1: there's an Olive b stro you have to pass. You must,
Speaker 1: you must really just have a lot of issues walking
Speaker 1: into that. Let's get a little hyper local. They're going
Speaker 1: back to see Yes Yes, So you know, seeing those
Speaker 1: trends and yeah, it means that when I see something
Speaker 1: that that kind of is outside of that group, I
Speaker 1: take notice. So here's an example. Last year when I
Speaker 1: went to see S, I saw a few different devices
Speaker 1: that were designed to encourage meditations and and and encourage
Speaker 1: an ability to release stress. Uh. The argument being that
Speaker 1: we're carrying more and more stress in our lives, we're
Speaker 1: having harder time dealing with it. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: of those demands on our attention would again adds to
Speaker 1: that stress. So this year we're not just seeing meditation,
Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of technology that's being marketed as
Speaker 1: a means to help you go to sleep. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: find this particularly interesting. Not that long ago, I did
Speaker 1: an episode about a s MR, which is kind of
Speaker 1: it's it's often sort of grouped into that category. It's
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people watched to to relax
Speaker 1: and often to all sleep. To write a s m R.
Speaker 1: For anybody who has checked it out, there's an entire
Speaker 1: culture online. Yeah. Well, like uh, partling Feathers and talking
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah. Yeah, And I interviewed Heather feather who
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite a s MR artists. She
Speaker 1: is a doll, a wonderful, wonderful person, and uh, she
Speaker 1: did very well explaining the whole concept. Well, the rise
Speaker 1: of a s MR shows that there is this incredible
Speaker 1: demand for things that will help people relax and distress.
Speaker 1: So we're seeing that now in the consumer marketplace because
Speaker 1: there's an entire section at c e S devoted to
Speaker 1: sleep tech. I haven't even seen it yet because that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing tomorrow, which is good because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need to sleep by that, right, you might not have
Speaker 1: any any problems. I'm pretty much. I think after we
Speaker 1: record the show that already published but hasn't recorded, yet
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much going to bed. So that's an example
Speaker 1: of a trend that is is uh. I would say
Speaker 1: in that second to third stage, right, probably more in
Speaker 1: the second stage because I'm not seeing sleep tech being
Speaker 1: adopted by the really big names yet, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: in that second year part of the arc I was
Speaker 1: talking about. Now, um we one of the things we
Speaker 1: did early on, we did a live stream where where
Speaker 1: we talked about some of the trends that we know,
Speaker 1: is sleep tech being one of them. We talked about
Speaker 1: another interesting end and this is kind of uh edging
Speaker 1: over into the automotive part two because that's one of
Speaker 1: the companies we mentioned. We talked about how two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen we saw some tumultuous events and circumstances for
Speaker 1: some high profile companies. We have to talk about this.
Speaker 1: This is Texas. So so we've got this issue where
Speaker 1: imagine that you are an executive with a prominent company,
Speaker 1: whether it is one that's been around for ages or
Speaker 1: it's one that's just made headlines because it's so audacious,
Speaker 1: and then you have a rough year and then you
Speaker 1: go to c S where you have to put on
Speaker 1: your best face. Yeah, you're gonna you're you know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be hit by hard questions and yet you still
Speaker 1: have to do this pr game. The two companies that
Speaker 1: we thought really um encompass this that they embodied it
Speaker 1: and they went through we went to two totally different approaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Faraday Future, which is one of the most ambitious startups
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of. I mean, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: company that is trying to break into the automotive industry
Speaker 1: building a car which is not just a car, but
Speaker 1: a whole line of cars, which is, by the way,
Speaker 1: the one of the most difficult things everyone can do
Speaker 1: from scratch. I mean, the fact that Tesla was able
Speaker 1: to do it is amazing. Well, yeah, and Tesla only
Speaker 1: was able to do it, I would argue, because there
Speaker 1: was a very it had the appearance of audacity, but
Speaker 1: it came from the actions and bankrolls of PayPal, so
Speaker 1: it didn't start from an angel investor, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And then we have another example which which
Speaker 1: we uh we especially felt called to mind where we
Speaker 1: were the plane over here. Yeah, so that would be Samsung. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Samsung in twenty sixteen, especially in September and October, had
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible time because the Galaxy Notes seven famously
Speaker 1: was having these issues where some people were having their
Speaker 1: their handsets were bursting into flame, typically when being charged,
Speaker 1: the battery was bursting into flame. And it was such
Speaker 1: a hard, hard problem for Samsung. First, they issued a
Speaker 1: an exchange program where they started exchange notes seven's. Uh,
Speaker 1: they said that, you know, the actual percentage of those
Speaker 1: that were affected was quite small. Sure, they wanted to
Speaker 1: do an exchange program, but then some of the exchange
Speaker 1: units reportedly were bursting into flame, and that's when Samsung
Speaker 1: had to issue a worldwide recall. Uh. And last I
Speaker 1: had heard there's still several hundred thousand out in the wild.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and uh some of the phone service providers
Speaker 1: are breaking notes. Yeah. In fact, uh, that was a
Speaker 1: big deal where I think it was Verizon that said
Speaker 1: they weren't going to do it, and then they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll do it, but we won't do it till January
Speaker 1: eight or something. It's like poison until update. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's essentially to make sure the phone can't be a
Speaker 1: phone anymore, and that way no one has a reason
Speaker 1: to keep it around. And uh, so long story short,
Speaker 1: this was a huge pr problem for Samsung. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an enormous issue, very damaging to the company's reputation.
Speaker 1: And then they come out to c S and they
Speaker 1: have a whole press conference that they have to hold.
Speaker 1: They've got that time slot, and it's you paid a
Speaker 1: lot of money to be part of CS And so
Speaker 1: then we've got them coming out and they start off
Speaker 1: their press conference by acknowledging there was a problem, but
Speaker 1: not apologizing for it. They essentially said, uh, we're looking
Speaker 1: into it, or, as I would like to say, we
Speaker 1: have top men looking at the top of men whose yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so not not to cast dispersions on Sam. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure they are investigating it. They obviously they have very
Speaker 1: great motivation to find out what exactly was the problem.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people felt that that perhaps was
Speaker 1: not enough, that perhaps they should have come out so
Speaker 1: far as to apologize for the the issue and the
Speaker 1: way that was handled. But that did not happen, and
Speaker 1: then they went ahead and had the rest of their
Speaker 1: press conference. Faraday kind of the way they they addressed
Speaker 1: their problem. Faraday's problems into A sixteen included a bunch
Speaker 1: of executives left. They reportedly started having some financing issues
Speaker 1: despite the billion dollar investment of various business people from
Speaker 1: from Asia. But then, um, we we heard reports that
Speaker 1: the construction on their production facility here in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: where we are has halted and that they and that
Speaker 1: people haven't been getting paid for a while. So uh,
Speaker 1: they didn't acknowledge that at all as far as I
Speaker 1: can tell. When they Yeah, they said they were still
Speaker 1: planning on having their production model ready by which is
Speaker 1: incredibly ambitious, like that old comics strip, the little two
Speaker 1: panel comic strip that we see so often on the internet,
Speaker 1: and the dog in the burning house right at the
Speaker 1: table as sure himself. I'm just saying him because of
Speaker 1: the hat. Uh, everything is fine. What we saw is
Speaker 1: that not only did executive leave over sixteen, but two
Speaker 1: left just a couple of weeks before c YES started.
Speaker 1: So this was an interesting thing, you know, seeing seeing
Speaker 1: these companies that had very public problems, Uh, and how
Speaker 1: how would they handle it? And so you could argue
Speaker 1: that Samsun, you know, if you felt like they owed
Speaker 1: people an apology, you could argue that they fell short
Speaker 1: on that, but at least they acknowledged it, which Paraday
Speaker 1: as far as we could tell did not. Uh so
Speaker 1: that was interesting. We've seen some some cool tech. You've
Speaker 1: got a chance to walk into Central Hall for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Oh yeah, I I went and checked out
Speaker 1: a Samsung exhibit. Actually, this is great washer. The washer
Speaker 1: that washes while you wash. It was the it was
Speaker 1: the will it explode? And there's a timer. You get money.
Speaker 1: Uh no, you don't get money. You get bend Bucks
Speaker 1: And anyone who's interested in that please write to me.
Speaker 1: And it's a wonder one exchange training so you can't
Speaker 1: exchange you back. It is accepted in various locations throughout
Speaker 1: my mom's house. Were negotiations for the kitchen. It's a
Speaker 1: big win for us. So, uh, when to check out
Speaker 1: some of the VR experiences because one of the big
Speaker 1: questions that people have. So going back to the example
Speaker 1: of three D television technology, there were some great startups
Speaker 1: right that had this brilliant stuff, and then larger manufacturers
Speaker 1: saw it, loved it. This is an opportunity, right and
Speaker 1: spoke to broadcasting partners, content creators saw it, loved it.
Speaker 1: This is an opportunity. Somewhere along the way, they forgot
Speaker 1: to ask the consumer if they wanted it. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was. It was an effort to manufacture demand and
Speaker 1: it failed. That's a great way to put it in
Speaker 1: its perfectly and brutally concise. So the question with the
Speaker 1: R then is is this manufacturing demand? And the answer
Speaker 1: is there's a lesson learned primarily through the idea of
Speaker 1: using a smartphone as the hardware, Right yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: doing that where you're you're help starting to rely upon
Speaker 1: uh someone using a piece of technology they already own.
Speaker 1: So there's no initial investment to purchase other hardware apart
Speaker 1: from maybe a headset that it will slip into. In fact,
Speaker 1: I have two of them on my table right here,
Speaker 1: essentially Google card board, but these are from Kodak picks Pro. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I need to give one of those to Ramsey because
Speaker 1: that's that's technically one of them is his. So doing
Speaker 1: going through that approach, you you lower that that barrier
Speaker 1: of entry. But at the same time, anyone who's a
Speaker 1: savvy consumer realizes that the experiences they're going to get
Speaker 1: using a phone as their display are going to be
Speaker 1: far below the quality of something that's a dedicated piece
Speaker 1: of hardware VR. So yeah, we're we're seeing um struggles
Speaker 1: in the VR space. There's tons more VR here and
Speaker 1: a R than I've ever seen in the past. Like
Speaker 1: there's so many examples, and again it's another one of
Speaker 1: those pieces of technology that seems like everybody has some
Speaker 1: former and pieces. I I gotta tell you, man, I
Speaker 1: took this virtual reality boat ride. I hope you guys
Speaker 1: can hear the air quotes votes. I'm doing the sound
Speaker 1: effect we use on other services, so it's never been
Speaker 1: done on this one. But thank you, thank you. So
Speaker 1: we're in this. We're in this thing. I went because
Speaker 1: the boat ride was the shortest line. The medium line
Speaker 1: was the was the flight line, like air flight over Sydney,
Speaker 1: and uh, the most uh most mandy line was a
Speaker 1: thing called Skeleton Mountain with right And of course we
Speaker 1: had a long day and I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll wait till Skeleton Mountain just comes out on my phone.
Speaker 1: But but to be fair, so everybody knows, this was
Speaker 1: not simply a some sort of oculous riff situation where
Speaker 1: there's a phone in a in a VR headset and
Speaker 1: you put it on. These were in dedicated like chairs
Speaker 1: that were hydraulically operated, so this was like a full
Speaker 1: immersive experience and hactic feedback you had, like, so it's
Speaker 1: like almost like a moving movie theater, very epcot. So,
Speaker 1: so this would be more of an experience where you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have control over what's happening, but you can
Speaker 1: control your point of view, right exactly. That's the only
Speaker 1: agency you have is looking around the perspective. Uh. That
Speaker 1: was cool. The phone didn't blow up as he got
Speaker 1: good as Jonathan, as you can see those you can
Speaker 1: see I still have my eyes, yes, and then there
Speaker 1: in fact where they were when I saw them this morning.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And you guys know that my colleague is
Speaker 1: a skeptic, so he uh, he will tell you if
Speaker 1: I'm not being straight with you. That's true. So so
Speaker 1: that was cool. Yeah, it was an interesting VR. I
Speaker 1: had a VR experience today too. I went and did
Speaker 1: something called Project Alloy, which is over at Intel, and
Speaker 1: they had two different experiences as well. One of them
Speaker 1: was a zombie survival game where he's trying to shoot
Speaker 1: down zombies. The other one was a room that you
Speaker 1: got to walk around and guess which one I got
Speaker 1: to do the room not not the room, movie, not
Speaker 1: that room. There's no temm uh. That didn't have Dylan's
Speaker 1: Dylon's finally pricking up once we talked about Tommy Rizzo.
Speaker 1: He was slimping in his This is totally true. He
Speaker 1: was slumping in his chair a little bit right until
Speaker 1: we got to Tommy Rozzo. So the project Helway was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was an example of mixed or merged reality is
Speaker 1: what they call it merged reality. So imagine a VR headset.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a display. It's on your head.
Speaker 1: There's a forward facing camera on the case itself, all right,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a phone. It's got you know,
Speaker 1: like a forward facing camera um or backward facing camera
Speaker 1: in the case of a phone. So you're you're wearing
Speaker 1: this and the camera picks up stuff that's within a
Speaker 1: couple of feet of your body. So that way, when
Speaker 1: you started getting close to something, it starts to show
Speaker 1: up in your views. So Ben, where you are standing
Speaker 1: right are sitting right now, you're probably close enough where
Speaker 1: I would actually be able to see you, and I'll
Speaker 1: be looking at a virtual display that I would see
Speaker 1: I would see the video of you right there. So
Speaker 1: that means I could walk around a physical space but
Speaker 1: not not bump into objects or people who are in it,
Speaker 1: so I could still have a virtual experience. In this case,
Speaker 1: it was actually pretty cool. When I walked in, it
Speaker 1: looked like there was a giant globe with a moon
Speaker 1: orbiting it, so really it was just you know, the
Speaker 1: Earth with the moon orbiting it in the center of
Speaker 1: the room, and then at three points around the globe
Speaker 1: there are these green buttons and different buildings underneath them.
Speaker 1: If I went and pressed a button, then to my left,
Speaker 1: an enormous version of the building I had just picked
Speaker 1: would rise up all of the ground and I could
Speaker 1: take a better look. So there was like an something
Speaker 1: like an Aztec pyramid, something that looked kind of like
Speaker 1: the taj Mahal, and something that looked like more of
Speaker 1: a European cathedral. Sounds like a crazy dream. It was
Speaker 1: a little weird, uh. And then I would turn it,
Speaker 1: i'd see Ramsey because he would be standing very close
Speaker 1: to me with the camera, and but I didn't bump
Speaker 1: into him because I could actually see him and he
Speaker 1: didn't appear like he was in the scene. It was
Speaker 1: more like if he were interrupting a scene. Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't seamless, okay, so it didn't look like something yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It didn't look like Ramsey was standing on top of
Speaker 1: the earth or any just that he would kind of
Speaker 1: be breaking through the signal in a way. So an
Speaker 1: interesting implementation. I assume from the name project that it's
Speaker 1: still kind of in the developmental phase of stuff is yeah,
Speaker 1: and but it's seeing something that's being called merged reality
Speaker 1: as opposed to virtual reality or augment reality somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle. Was really interesting thing. So we have a R,
Speaker 1: and then we have VR, and then we have MR. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you have m R e's which wasn't that
Speaker 1: a terrible video that? Did that ever come out? No?
Speaker 1: I hope not. Yeah, we uh we uh on came
Speaker 1: we had a bucket available, which yeah, which we needed.
Speaker 1: Going back, going back to the point I would like
Speaker 1: to ask on behalf of everybody listening on overall? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so far in comparison to twenties, sixteens past, how does
Speaker 1: this measure up? What are you thinking? It looks well? Um,
Speaker 1: it's pretty busy, although towards the end of the day
Speaker 1: Central Hall wasn't nearly as as bustling as it was
Speaker 1: first part of the day. Um. I have a much
Speaker 1: more focused approach this year than I have in years passed,
Speaker 1: Like in several years, I was essentially let loose at
Speaker 1: CS and that was up to me to wander around
Speaker 1: and find things to talk about. Was a one man.
Speaker 1: I was the only guy from how Stuff works who
Speaker 1: who is just set up alone adrift in a lost
Speaker 1: sea of technology. Um. This year, I had a much
Speaker 1: more focused game plan, so I didn't see as many
Speaker 1: of the booths as I typically do because I had
Speaker 1: I had a very specific places I needed to be
Speaker 1: and in video I needed to shoot. UM that stuff
Speaker 1: I saw, I enjoyed. We had a great time over
Speaker 1: at the Stern Pinball UH booth. We actually got to
Speaker 1: play pinball, I got to talk to Gary Stern, who
Speaker 1: is the head of the company. He opened up one
Speaker 1: of the machines for us to look at, which is
Speaker 1: a very a different beast than the old pinball machines
Speaker 1: that were largely electro mechanical. Now it's mainly digital, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really cool digital, but was still like with you know,
Speaker 1: mechanical solenoids and stuff to do the actuation for the
Speaker 1: various components. But it's all done with busses now like
Speaker 1: microprocessors and busses as opposed to the hard wired circuits
Speaker 1: that it used to be. Frankenstein's monster. Gary Stern actually
Speaker 1: said that, you know, and a few years ago you
Speaker 1: would have a half mile worth of wire in one
Speaker 1: of those pinball machines. Now it's more like a quarter mile,
Speaker 1: So it's been halved. It's still a huge amount of wire,
Speaker 1: but it's much less than what it had been. It's
Speaker 1: much more efficient. The machines themselves aren't as heavy as
Speaker 1: they used to be. Um. But when he opened it up,
Speaker 1: it's not like I could take one look at a
Speaker 1: wire and know exactly what it went through it was.
Speaker 1: It was like a spaghetti monster of madness. But that
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun to see that. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the perception is among the press yet.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to enough of our peers to find
Speaker 1: out if they feel like this is a good c
Speaker 1: e S or bad c e s. We've had some
Speaker 1: in the past where there was so little innovative technology
Speaker 1: on display that anything remotely all the ordinary, no matter
Speaker 1: how silly it may seem, was pounced upon as being interesting.
Speaker 1: So the big example of that would be from several
Speaker 1: years ago, the haptic fork, the haptic fork, which would
Speaker 1: uh try to keep you from eating too quickly. If
Speaker 1: you were moving the fork too fast, it would start
Speaker 1: to vibrate so that the food on the fork would
Speaker 1: fall off. Well, you had to eat at a at
Speaker 1: a certain speed, you know, the mindful eating, in order
Speaker 1: for the fork to remain Still, can I say this
Speaker 1: on our Family show? What a Yeah, that's fine? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: if nothing else I can believe it. But by by
Speaker 1: eye I mean Dylan, Oh god, But okay, I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying. So we we don't know all the way.
Speaker 1: But but you've seen from me and stuff. One thing
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you about. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: is something we talked about off air, and we can
Speaker 1: be briefly which was we asked about drones spoiler alert
Speaker 1: the Companion episode on car stuff. We'll we'll touch on
Speaker 1: a little bit of dronery. Is that what we'll drone on?
Speaker 1: We'll drone on to So what's the best drone? What
Speaker 1: what's the most what's the well, what's the craziest one
Speaker 1: you saw craziest that's gonna be? Oh my god? Can
Speaker 1: I just ask you, is it true that there's a
Speaker 1: drone that can carry people yes, yes, that would be
Speaker 1: the e Hang drone. It is large enough to carry
Speaker 1: one person for about twenty minutes. That's all. We gotta
Speaker 1: really good look at it. Um that will be It
Speaker 1: will be at least in a promo if not a
Speaker 1: full on video. Yeah, that was That was probably the craziest.
Speaker 1: I mean that when I think of premiered last year,
Speaker 1: but it was the first time I had seen it.
Speaker 1: I didn't get you to see it last year, so
Speaker 1: I was really impressed by that. They're also, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing more drones with thermal imaging, which is cool
Speaker 1: and kind of scary at the same time. Stuff they
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Would probably have a lot
Speaker 1: to say about that. We saw a lot of drones
Speaker 1: that are taking very different approaches. There's some that are
Speaker 1: more like racing drones, so they're built very light and
Speaker 1: for speed and for cornering and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're very high performance racing drones. There are others
Speaker 1: that are more for things like capturing footage if you
Speaker 1: want to do like crane shots or helicopter shots. There
Speaker 1: are others that are specifically meant for our first responders
Speaker 1: and emergency situations. All of them are here, and we've
Speaker 1: seen um that huge variety, and I just I suspect
Speaker 1: it's just going to continue. We even saw the Star
Speaker 1: Wars drones that um we we were sent a Star
Speaker 1: Wars drone at the office, uh, in the form of
Speaker 1: a speeder bike. Dylan actually uh has also got one
Speaker 1: of them, although he got a an X Wing. And
Speaker 1: then we we both were drooling over the tai Fighter
Speaker 1: Advance that was on display over on the show floor. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well we only have to I'm not rich, but we're
Speaker 1: doing We're doing well. We're comfortable, We're drone comfortable. But
Speaker 1: you know, we could go on and on about this.
Speaker 1: The I think the the interesting thing is again hearing
Speaker 1: your perspective about how it really is sensory overload. Like
Speaker 1: I get to a point where I just had blinders,
Speaker 1: where I could be looking at something and no information
Speaker 1: is coming into my head like I that happened to
Speaker 1: me last night when I went to what was called
Speaker 1: Digital Experience. There's all these other events that happened after
Speaker 1: the normal hours of the CS have closed that really
Speaker 1: it's just an attempt for companies to get more face
Speaker 1: time with media and other other important folks. In the
Speaker 1: industry for people to network, yeah, and to promote stuff,
Speaker 1: and so um, I went to this thing, and I
Speaker 1: walked through that room three or four times, and I
Speaker 1: think I might be able to tell you two or
Speaker 1: maybe three pieces of tech that were on display, and
Speaker 1: then nothing against the people who were there, no nor
Speaker 1: the technology. There was plenty of stuff that was really interesting.
Speaker 1: It literally was just that I was tired and it
Speaker 1: was so much. It was like, it's so much information
Speaker 1: that my brain as a defense mechanism, was shutting down
Speaker 1: the ability for new information to come in. So um, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that happens typically to me on the third day
Speaker 1: of of the show four being open, but it hit
Speaker 1: a little earlier this year, and we were here earlier
Speaker 1: this year. Yes, that's true. So our plan for tomorrow
Speaker 1: as the recording of this podcast, it will be in
Speaker 1: the past by the time you hear it again. Another
Speaker 1: paradox is that we're both going to go back to
Speaker 1: the show. Ben is going to go back to the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Convention Center. I'll be going over to the
Speaker 1: other the other major area where they are exhibitors, and
Speaker 1: that's the Sands Convention Center. Is that the area where
Speaker 1: the Eureka places. Yes, Eureka Park, So that's where all
Speaker 1: the startups are. Like, it's a lot of the smaller
Speaker 1: companies that tend to focus on a specific product or
Speaker 1: specific line of products. Uh, the ones that you see
Speaker 1: in the convention center tend to be bigger companies that
Speaker 1: might have a raise of products, like families of products,
Speaker 1: like Samsung is a good example. They've got TVs, they
Speaker 1: got refrigerators, they've got washer dryers, they've got all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff. They got phones that will blow up, they
Speaker 1: got all sorts of things. But when you go to
Speaker 1: Eureka Park, you tend to find companies that we make
Speaker 1: three D printers, or we make these robots, or we
Speaker 1: makes right that they're supposed to be an a R toothbrush,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what that means. There's an augmented
Speaker 1: reality toothbrush and I don't know. So it doesn't project
Speaker 1: on your teeth. I don't know. Tomorrow you are Journey,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get a lot more information about
Speaker 1: what's there, and I'll be shooting a lot of episodes
Speaker 1: of the series Forward Thinking. I do. If you aren't
Speaker 1: familiar before it Thinking, go check out Forward Thinking that's
Speaker 1: a fun show I do about what the future holds
Speaker 1: for us, and in this case, I'm using c e
Speaker 1: s to kind of look at how future ideas are
Speaker 1: creeping into the technology of today and uh and then
Speaker 1: where could we go from there? Knowing that not all
Speaker 1: of these technologies are bound to succeed, some of them
Speaker 1: will likely fade into obscurity, but that's kind of the
Speaker 1: fun of it too. Um So, before I completely wrap up,
Speaker 1: first of all, reminding my listeners check out that companion
Speaker 1: piece to car stuff or of car stuff rather, and
Speaker 1: make sure you listen to that so as you hear
Speaker 1: our talk about the way the automotive industry has been
Speaker 1: taking oversees. And I have a final question for Ben,
Speaker 1: the most important one. I don't know what this question,
Speaker 1: so I told Ben that I had a question I
Speaker 1: could not forget to ask him at the end. Very
Speaker 1: important considering where we are, Where are you on gambling?
Speaker 1: Are you up or down? Oh? I am actually up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have almost tripled my fortunes. Wow, that's sweet. I'm
Speaker 1: almost a I've almost a thirty year thirty Yeah. What's
Speaker 1: the word for millionaire? But instead of a million, it's thirty.
Speaker 1: So you started with tending you're up to almost thirty
Speaker 1: you're doing better than I am. I I I'm up
Speaker 1: sixteen dollars and cents. I did not know this would
Speaker 1: be the question. I know you didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell you it was an important one, though. Yeah wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait yeah, Well if you go back and listen,
Speaker 1: tech stuff has an episode about how slot machines work.
Speaker 1: I am currently sixteen dollars and twenty five cents ahead.
Speaker 1: So I listened to my own show, followed my own advice,
Speaker 1: and as a result, I have more money than when
Speaker 1: I started with. And maybe you should retire a champion.
Speaker 1: Maybe I propitiated the gods of gamblers. I what I
Speaker 1: do is I put a twenty dollar bill, Chris twenty
Speaker 1: dollar bill into the machine, and then I play, and
Speaker 1: I wait until I get over the twenty dollars, and
Speaker 1: then I hit cash out, and then I walk away,
Speaker 1: and then maybe later on I'll do it again. But
Speaker 1: as soon as I get over the amount that I had,
Speaker 1: I cash out and walk away. Now you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm going to like like many people with a newfound fortune,
Speaker 1: I am planning to directly before we leave for the airport,
Speaker 1: blow my tire, my entire my entire state. Yes, I
Speaker 1: can come a coffee maybe a buffet on the dalliance
Speaker 1: of black Check, and I'm going to use this voice.
Speaker 1: I can, I can recommend, I can recommend the Gremlins
Speaker 1: Slaw Machine. It's very good to me. Uh well, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for asking. And yes, yes I am a
Speaker 1: thirty year that's wonderful. So Ben Bolin, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining me on this show. I will unlock
Speaker 1: the door and allow you to leave the hotel room
Speaker 1: as as we're finished recording your show. I would also
Speaker 1: not to be um, not to be too too much
Speaker 1: of a diva, but I would appreciate if you could, Untie,
Speaker 1: We'll see. We'll see, uh will in the meantime while
Speaker 1: we're trying to houdin our way out of the ropes. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think that I think the long time listeners already
Speaker 1: know we had mentioned the episodes of previous c S
Speaker 1: s or ces pass on tech stuff. I do want
Speaker 1: to recommend, if you are acquainted with the internets and
Speaker 1: for everybody's benefit, of not using the Blackjack voice again
Speaker 1: until it's time. Uh. Jonathan Jonathan also has video video
Speaker 1: segments on forward thinking, as well as a show that
Speaker 1: we both work on together called brain Stuff, which addresses
Speaker 1: everyday science, not just of math, but the questions that
Speaker 1: you didn't know you wanted to hear, one of which
Speaker 1: would be probably if you haven't heard of it yet.
Speaker 1: You know how in old time movies people have a
Speaker 1: weird voice. You're tired of the Transatlantic accent. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: why I talked about strolling down the boulevard and saying
Speaker 1: the dirigible races. Yes, So why do people talk that way?
Speaker 1: Why does it sound like that? Well, you can find out.
Speaker 1: And that brain Stuff episode, so if it didn't already
Speaker 1: pop up on Facebook for you, when when viral which
Speaker 1: was kind of crazy, So check it out when you
Speaker 1: have a chance. Uh, and do please tune in to
Speaker 1: car Stuff. Yes, yes, and remember, guys, if you have
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