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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Did I
Speaker 4: ever tell you about my impossible promise? Way back in
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, I took a self development course
Speaker 4: called Power and Contribution, and the idea was to make
Speaker 4: your life about being in service and when you pick
Speaker 4: a really big thing that you're passionate about and where
Speaker 4: you would like to help, then somehow your life works out.
Speaker 4: People were taking on things like ending world hunger, cleaning
Speaker 4: up the water in the world, things that are impossible
Speaker 4: but we can make a difference in. And at that
Speaker 4: time I have to tell you I had no idea
Speaker 4: what I was passionate about. And they said, look what
Speaker 4: it is you've been doing. Who have you been being,
Speaker 4: What kind of things have you been interested in? Is
Speaker 4: there any common denominator for me? I owned a small business.
Speaker 4: I owned a coffee and chocolate store. Also my mom
Speaker 4: and I catered for race car teams, and I had
Speaker 4: been investigating the afterlife. Didn't tell anybody. Started out very small,
Speaker 4: so I thought, who I am is someone who makes
Speaker 4: a difference in a lot of different ways. We all
Speaker 4: had to fill out this form with our impossible promise,
Speaker 4: and I said, well, I'm looking at life after death.
Speaker 4: Why don't I use that. We had to pick a
Speaker 4: date twenty five years out in the future and make
Speaker 4: a promise, and I said, by the year twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 4: all people in the world will know that we don't die,
Speaker 4: that life is an education for the soul. So I
Speaker 4: put it out there, never intending to do anything with it.
Speaker 4: Years went by. I continued my investigation into the afterlife,
Speaker 4: but of course I didn't tell anyone until twenty ten,
Speaker 4: when my dad died, and what I learned about grief
Speaker 4: made me realize that I wanted to start sharing with
Speaker 4: people everything that I learned. We are going into twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four and now. Between my two podcasts have closed
Speaker 4: to six hundred hours of interviews talking about the afterlife
Speaker 4: and have had millions of downloads have my book We
Speaker 4: Don't Die, a skeptics a discovery of life after death,
Speaker 4: and I have no idea how many copies that has sold.
Speaker 4: I am a once a month guest on Coast to
Speaker 4: Coast AM with George Nori, talking to their three million listeners.
Speaker 4: Because of you and your kindness, how kind some of
Speaker 4: your reviews have been. This show has your own in
Speaker 4: popularity big time. The girl who made that impossible promise
Speaker 4: back in two thousand and two couldn't have imagined the
Speaker 4: difference she's making today. Sometimes it gives me goosebumps to
Speaker 4: realize that I'm on this path. Part of me thinks
Speaker 4: whether it's God or the universe. Someone recognized how hard
Speaker 4: I work and said let's give this mission to her.
Speaker 4: I'm certainly not the person responsible for when a tipping
Speaker 4: point happens on planet Earth, but I do know I'm
Speaker 4: someone who loves to share the stories of good people
Speaker 4: that are making a difference in this field. I don't
Speaker 4: know if this transformation will happen by twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 4: but I'm rather shocked to think that's just three years away.
Speaker 4: You never know who you are really until you get
Speaker 4: busy do doing something you're passionate about. It doesn't have
Speaker 4: to be anything big, and I truly believe when you
Speaker 4: set your eyes on being of service to another, it
Speaker 4: makes your life a little bit easier because we're not
Speaker 4: spending all this time in the negative mind thinking about ourselves.
Speaker 4: Some good news, Mom and I saw the movie After Death.
Speaker 4: If you go back a few episodes, you'll see that
Speaker 4: I interviewed Stephen Gray, who wrote and directed the movie,
Speaker 4: and producer Jens Jacob. They were such nice guys and
Speaker 4: it all started with a death in the family that
Speaker 4: made Stephen want to research more. The film After Death
Speaker 4: today is number four in the box offices. It is
Speaker 4: showing on about two thousand movie screens in big movie theaters,
Speaker 4: across the US and Canada to our friends not in
Speaker 4: that area. Yeah, just stay tuned because within two months
Speaker 4: or so it'll be streaming and you'll be able to
Speaker 4: see it. You can follow the status of that if
Speaker 4: you go to angel dot com forward slash Life After
Speaker 4: I am thrilled at the quality of the movie, taking mom.
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure how it was going to be. My
Speaker 4: dear mom loves me dearly, but I think sometimes when
Speaker 4: I tell her the stories of Life after Death, one
Speaker 4: eyebrow goes up. She might think, Sander, that all sounds good,
Speaker 4: but there's no real evidence. The movie is high quality,
Speaker 4: great special effects. All the stories were from some very
Speaker 4: professional people. Most of the people in the film were doctors.
Speaker 4: There was an airline pilot, there was a professor who
Speaker 4: all had near death experiences. Several times. I got filled
Speaker 4: with emotion and excitement, and by the end, I was
Speaker 4: just wowed.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 4: I think this is the film that we can take
Speaker 4: our skeptical friends and family members too and have an
Speaker 4: amazing conversation about the reality of the afterlife. I know
Speaker 4: my mom was just as touched as I was. There
Speaker 4: is no possible way to watch that movie and think
Speaker 4: there's not a bigger picture, So two thumbs up for
Speaker 4: the film After Death. As I spoke about on my
Speaker 4: interview with Steven and Jen's, this film I feel has
Speaker 4: the potential to help create that tipping point where more
Speaker 4: people openly believe and talk about the reality of the
Speaker 4: afterlife than don't. There was a day long before we
Speaker 4: were born, that the people in the world thought the
Speaker 4: earth was flat. Eventually, of course, we know it's not,
Speaker 4: but it took time. I truly believe that with this
Speaker 4: film will help mankind really accept the reality of the afterlife.
Speaker 4: And can you imagine living in that world where all
Speaker 4: people know that although our bodies die, we don't living life,
Speaker 4: going after their dreams, being okay with failure, knowing that
Speaker 4: they're never alone as in the invisible space around them,
Speaker 4: there is tons of love in people cheering us on
Speaker 4: that know when we close our eyes the last time
Speaker 4: here on earth, we simply open them and our loved
Speaker 4: ones and our pets are there to greet us, and
Speaker 4: we continue to live that day, My friends, is right
Speaker 4: around the corner, and I'm so excited that you and
Speaker 4: I are part of it. Today I'd like to continue
Speaker 4: with the theme of doctors and near death experiences. I
Speaker 4: found a presentation by critical care doctor Lauren Belg who
Speaker 4: believes that training doctors, nurses, and other hospital personnel about
Speaker 4: the reality of near death experiences is key to how
Speaker 4: physicians talk to their patients. Doctor Lauren has some incredible
Speaker 4: stories of near death experiences that her patients have shared.
Speaker 4: She starts with the story of Samuel.
Speaker 5: He needed surgery, so whenever I approached him and said, Samuel, we're.
Speaker 3: Going to need to do surgery on you, he said, oh, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that again.
Speaker 5: And as he told me his story, he said, they
Speaker 5: did surgery on me, and I saw the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to respond to that. At that
Speaker 5: point in my journey. I was confused, and I was
Speaker 5: still thinking of it in a very finite way.
Speaker 3: I said, tell me more.
Speaker 5: He said, I was up above looking down at my belly,
Speaker 5: and I saw my whole surgery. So I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 5: does something go wrong with anesthesia. I'm thinking very still,
Speaker 5: very finite. I said, did you feel any pain? He
Speaker 5: said no, I didn't feel any pain, but I saw
Speaker 5: the whole thing. I saw them open my abdomen, I
Speaker 5: saw my guts, and it.
Speaker 3: Freaked me out. I will never do that again.
Speaker 5: Now, understanding surgery and the anesthesiologist among us, can I
Speaker 5: speak to this is that there's a field that blocks
Speaker 5: the vision from the surgical field. To preserve that sterile space,
Speaker 5: you can't possibly when you're lying there see your surgery
Speaker 5: from that vantage point. I went to the medical records,
Speaker 5: and that time we didn't have electronic medical records. We
Speaker 5: actually had to go down to the bowels of the
Speaker 5: building and pull out these big manilla folders and leaf
Speaker 5: through them and look through them, and it could take hours.
Speaker 5: But what I was looking for was the anesthesiology records,
Speaker 5: because I knew that the anesthesiologist records for minutes to
Speaker 5: minute heart rate, blood pressure, any movement, any suggestion that
Speaker 5: they might be coming out of anesthesia and gaining awareness.
Speaker 3: There was none of that.
Speaker 5: The anesthesiologist's report was quite bland, as it should be
Speaker 5: in a situation like that, and there was no suggestion
Speaker 5: that he had elevated heart rate, elevated blood pressure, any
Speaker 5: signs of distress. And the surgery that went off quite well,
Speaker 5: and they removed some shrapnel, which was a reason for
Speaker 5: his surgery in the first place. And he did fine
Speaker 5: according to our records, but Samuel did not think so,
Speaker 5: and so he refused the surgery. We made him comfortable,
Speaker 5: his family gathered as bedside, and he crossed into the
Speaker 5: non physical and that stuck with me. That was a
Speaker 5: moment I could not wrap my head around. I had
Speaker 5: no context, I had no language, I had no experience.
Speaker 5: But something shifted and I became aware of this phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I read everything I could about what I came to
Speaker 5: understand is out of body experience, and at that time
Speaker 5: I didn't know about it. But Samuel's experience set the
Speaker 5: stage for me to experience what I was intended to.
Speaker 5: But quickly I was back into the training mode. But
Speaker 5: every now and then I would hear people's experiences and stories,
Speaker 5: and I became of the impression that they all happened
Speaker 5: from this vantage point of above, that in moments of crisis,
Speaker 5: people would float up above their body, view their experience,
Speaker 5: float back down into their body, and awaken to tell
Speaker 5: me about it. And I heard some really great things,
Speaker 5: and one of them was really quite fun. You had
Speaker 5: this impression when you are watching a cardiac arrest on
Speaker 5: TV that it's all chaotic and people are shouting and
Speaker 5: running and doing things, and that there has to be
Speaker 5: an element of drama about it for to be successful.
Speaker 3: Not true.
Speaker 5: In the ICU, it's actually can be quite calm because
Speaker 5: we have them already hooked up. You have the time
Speaker 5: to sit in that space and respond to whatever emergency
Speaker 5: is arising in front of you.
Speaker 4: We have to take a quick break and then we'll
Speaker 4: be back for the rest of that story and more.
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Speaker 6: and More. Sandrass starts right now.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine.
Speaker 4: Is it possible that a new way of thinking about
Speaker 4: near death experiences, long reported but often discarded as hallucinations
Speaker 4: by the medical professional community, could help heal and transform
Speaker 4: patients with these strange experiences. Intensive care, critical care specialist.
Speaker 4: Doctor Lauren Bell believes yes, so let's continue with her
Speaker 4: fascinating stories.
Speaker 3: I had this one patient.
Speaker 5: His name is long lost from me, but after we
Speaker 5: resuscitated him and he recovered a couple of days later,
Speaker 5: he began to tell me about me and what he saw.
Speaker 5: And he told me about my Chartru's green shirt, which
Speaker 5: I still have in love and it's unmistakable, but apparently
Speaker 5: it looks the same from up above.
Speaker 3: But he commented on how that.
Speaker 5: Color glowed and it was just so bright, and so
Speaker 5: he locked in on me because of that color, and
Speaker 5: he described to me the events that I knew to
Speaker 5: be true. We had the humorous moment in the midst
Speaker 5: of his code where I got tangled up in the
Speaker 5: bed my stethoscope is I was trying to pull it
Speaker 5: out of my pocket. Pens came flying out, and he
Speaker 5: commented on that. He said, there was so much stuff
Speaker 5: in that pocket, I thought a frog was going to
Speaker 5: come out next. But again, over the years, I had
Speaker 5: some experiences like this where people would come back and
Speaker 5: tell me described perfectly in a state outside of the physical,
Speaker 5: what had happened while they were in the physical, and
Speaker 5: we knew that they were experiencing cardiac death and couldn't
Speaker 5: possibly by our definition, have described what they described. But
Speaker 5: a turning point for me came about seven years ago.
Speaker 5: One of the ICUs that I work in the most
Speaker 5: is actually a trauma ICU, and that has become my home.
Speaker 5: It's become my space of comfort, and as you can imagine,
Speaker 5: there's a rich opportunity of stories there and experiences that
Speaker 5: people experience around trauma, which is probably why I love
Speaker 5: it so much. In Wisconsin, we have a lot of rivers,
Speaker 5: probably left over from glacier melt, but they're big, they're slow,
Speaker 5: they're wide, and they're perfect for recreation.
Speaker 3: And I will never.
Speaker 5: Forget Kyle, who was in his late twenties, early thirties
Speaker 5: and quite active, quite in love with being young and
Speaker 5: being able to do all these spectacular things, and one
Speaker 5: of his favorite things to do was parasailing on the
Speaker 5: Wolf River. There are two stories here, our version and
Speaker 5: Kyle's version, And what we knew to happen in our
Speaker 5: version is that Kyle was parasailing behind a boat on
Speaker 5: the Wolf River and man brain set in when he
Speaker 5: saw two bikini clad women sitting on a boat floating
Speaker 5: in the Wolf River and so he was so enamored.
Speaker 5: Flirting began, and there was a moment of bad decision
Speaker 5: making on the nurses part, because one of them was
Speaker 5: a nurse.
Speaker 3: They flashed him.
Speaker 5: Man brain went into overdrive and he became tangled in
Speaker 5: some utility wires, not paying attention.
Speaker 3: So our version, he.
Speaker 5: Began to fall out of his parasailor into the water,
Speaker 5: and he's pretty high up. So he hits the water
Speaker 5: with such force that he loses breath, he loses heartbeat,
Speaker 5: he starts to drown, and these two women, horrified, become
Speaker 5: his rescuer. They pull him out of the water, and
Speaker 5: one of them was a nurse, as I mentioned, and
Speaker 5: they resuscitated him successfully. Kyle's version, I was watching these
Speaker 5: two babes. I was having a good time, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I started floating up and I thought
Speaker 5: my ParaSail it must be caught some wind and I'm
Speaker 5: floating up. And he said, while I was floating up
Speaker 5: in the air, I saw this guy falling and I
Speaker 5: was horrified. I thought he's going to hit the water.
Speaker 5: This is not going to be good. And so he said,
Speaker 5: he watched this man hit the water, and the next
Speaker 5: thing he knows he's laying on the deck looking up
Speaker 5: into the faces of as he described these beautiful babes.
Speaker 5: He didn't know one was a nurse. I can only
Speaker 5: imagine that he heard celestial music of the sports illustrated type.
Speaker 5: And what was so fun about this story is that
Speaker 5: he gained so much insight and he was so excited
Speaker 5: about what had happened. Once he realized what had happened,
Speaker 5: that the whole experience was not lost on him.
Speaker 3: In fact, he said, I am not.
Speaker 5: Afraid to die, especially if it means diving headfirst and
Speaker 5: two bikini clad women. But I was in love. I
Speaker 5: was in love with the process from that moment on.
Speaker 5: To understand how transformative that moment was for him on
Speaker 5: whatever level he could accept it and experience it and
Speaker 5: relish in it and grow from it.
Speaker 3: Became so beautiful to me.
Speaker 5: I thought, I want more, and I sat trying to
Speaker 5: figure out how I could enter into conversation with people.
Speaker 5: What I finally settled up on is a question that
Speaker 5: I would pose to them, and I was polite about it.
Speaker 5: I would let them recover from whatever it was that
Speaker 5: had caused cardiac death or respiratory death or whatever trauma,
Speaker 5: whatever illness, whatever had happened. But at some point I
Speaker 5: would approach them and say, did anything unusual happen when
Speaker 5: you experienced cardiac death? Did anything unusual happen when you
Speaker 5: were in your accident and were resuscitated. And the first
Speaker 5: person that I posed that question to was a woman.
Speaker 5: I asked the question, I said, did anything unusual happen?
Speaker 5: She said no, and I was so disappointed. She was
Speaker 5: well versed in the existence of near death experiences, She'd
Speaker 5: read all about them. She was fascinated with metaphysical phenomenon,
Speaker 5: phenomenon of consciousness, and she was really truly disappointed. But
Speaker 5: we had this rich conversation about the fact that perhaps
Speaker 5: she didn't need it, Perhaps she didn't need that moment
Speaker 5: where her understanding of reality is ripped apart and she
Speaker 5: is invited to look at another possibility.
Speaker 3: The second time I posed that question.
Speaker 5: Was to a lady who ten years earlier had experienced neurotrauma.
Speaker 3: She had had a head injury, she.
Speaker 5: Was hospitalized for a long time, and after that something
Speaker 5: had happened, a flip had been switched where she was
Speaker 5: able to be incredibly intuitive. We've all heard these stories
Speaker 5: where after a traumatic incident, you can perhaps have mediumship abilities,
Speaker 5: intuitive abilities.
Speaker 3: She had these things.
Speaker 5: She had this very rich experience, But what our doctors
Speaker 5: and her family told her is that you had a
Speaker 5: head injury. It was a very serious one. You almost died.
Speaker 5: These experiences that you're having are probably just sequel from
Speaker 5: this head injury. So she start to shut down, and
Speaker 5: these beautiful experiences, these rich exps experiences that she had,
Speaker 5: were kept close to her, were unable to be shared,
Speaker 5: and that was extremely lonely for her and very sad.
Speaker 5: So when I asked her after her cardiac death, did
Speaker 5: anything unusual happen to you?
Speaker 3: She started to cry.
Speaker 5: She burst into tears, and she shared with me this
Speaker 5: beautiful experience of meeting light and pure love, and this
Speaker 5: sadness of not wanting to come back because she had
Speaker 5: experienced intense peace and acceptance. And she sobbing through this
Speaker 5: whole story. And in that moment, I realized she didn't
Speaker 5: need the experience. She needed the question, and the question
Speaker 5: became very important and still remains something that's part of
Speaker 5: my tool set as I interact with patients. But then
Speaker 5: I more often than not, I come across patients that
Speaker 5: need the experience and the question they made the question
Speaker 5: for me to set the stage for them to begin
Speaker 5: to understand and process their experience. I had a patient
Speaker 5: who was quite ill, and in that illness, we understood
Speaker 5: that he had a faulty electrical system in his heart,
Speaker 5: and every time we would try to bring him to consciousness,
Speaker 5: he would have this storm of dysrhythmia ventricular tachycardia, and
Speaker 5: he would become quite unstable and we would have to
Speaker 5: shock him out of it, soak him in medication, let
Speaker 5: him marinate in the medications that we know can hold
Speaker 5: people in a stable rhythm. And this happened to him
Speaker 5: four times, and so he had four resuscitations during his
Speaker 5: long hospital stay, and these resuscitations were quite prolonged. We
Speaker 5: would stand at his bedside shocking him and giving him
Speaker 5: medication thirty forty minutes at a time. But he survived.
Speaker 5: And I saw him in follow up in the outpatient
Speaker 5: clinic and he told me this incredibly rich story of
Speaker 5: how he was able to very easily get out of
Speaker 5: his body. And it only took him one already at arrest,
Speaker 5: to realize that he could do this, and he would
Speaker 5: get bored laying in bed I can imagine and walk around.
Speaker 3: If he saw a.
Speaker 5: Nurse coming, he would think, oh, I've got to get
Speaker 5: back and bend, and so he would get back in
Speaker 5: bed and he would lay there, and he began to
Speaker 5: say that he could understand the nurse's thoughts. He could
Speaker 5: hear them, and with people. He was very connected with
Speaker 5: his family. He could hear their conversations over great distances
Speaker 5: and recount them to them. He could hear their conversations
Speaker 5: in the waiting room. He recounted a funny one where
Speaker 5: they were fussing over which store they were going to
Speaker 5: go to to catch the sale racks, because one had
Speaker 5: a better sale wreck.
Speaker 3: Than the other, and if we get there early, we'll
Speaker 3: get the better deals.
Speaker 5: And he was able to recount that conversation to his family,
Speaker 5: who just stood there looking at him, unable to believe
Speaker 5: what they had heard. But the curious thing is that
Speaker 5: not only was he transformed by this experience, he had
Speaker 5: had incredible difficulty with vision and hearing. He had heightened
Speaker 5: sensory experience that lasted for about three weeks after he
Speaker 5: went home.
Speaker 3: He could see, he didn't need his glasses.
Speaker 5: He could hear, he didn't need his hearing aid, and
Speaker 5: as time went on and it started to fade, he
Speaker 5: was trying to hold on to that experience in whatever
Speaker 5: way he could, but it changed him. And when I
Speaker 5: saw him and follow up, you're.
Speaker 3: Going to love this, I guarantee it.
Speaker 5: He said, I've been doing some research about what I
Speaker 5: experienced and I found this place in Virginia and he said,
Speaker 5: they seem to know all about what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: And he said, and I want to go there. I said,
Speaker 5: it wouldn't, by chance be the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
Speaker 5: It's a Monroe Institute, and we're connected, We're bosom buddies.
Speaker 5: So I've formed this ongoing relationship with them that has
Speaker 5: been quite beautiful, but again a brilliant example of how
Speaker 5: these experiences can be transformed and how we need to
Speaker 5: be prepared to hold space for them. And asked the
Speaker 5: question and invite it forward. Just like buying a red car,
Speaker 5: Once you buy a red car, you see them everywhere.
Speaker 5: Once you'd name your child Katie, suddenly the world is
Speaker 5: filled with Katie's. This level of awareness that you didn't
Speaker 5: know of before suddenly is right there. About three years ago,
Speaker 5: I noticed that people started telling me things without the question.
Speaker 5: And I imagined that once I had entered into that space,
Speaker 5: and once they had hinted their space, that connection was
Speaker 5: probably obvious to them on some level that they didn't
Speaker 5: necessarily understand or recognize consciously that this was safe space.
Speaker 5: They could tell me their experience without being judged and
Speaker 5: without being told that it wasn't real.
Speaker 3: And sometimes they're quite funny.
Speaker 4: Well, doctor Lauren, we like funny. We haven't talked too
Speaker 4: much about out of body experiences that people have, being
Speaker 4: able to walk around the hospital like this guy could.
Speaker 4: There'll be more of that when we get back from
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
Speaker 4: and we're listening to doctor Lauren Bell, critical care doctor,
Speaker 4: about some of the experiences and what she's witnessed.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Just before the break, she said, some of them are
Speaker 4: quite funny, so let's listen.
Speaker 5: I recently admitted a man to the hospital who had
Speaker 5: had a respiratory arrest.
Speaker 3: From his enphysima. He had been found by his son.
Speaker 5: He was pulseless, he was non breathing, he was blue,
Speaker 5: and he didn't know how to do CPR, so there
Speaker 5: was some time before the ems got their way able
Speaker 5: to resuscitate him.
Speaker 3: And for time, oxygen.
Speaker 5: Or the lack thereof is brain and so you always
Speaker 5: worry about an oxic brain injury. But he was right
Speaker 5: his rain. He was perfect. And I walked into the
Speaker 5: room and he was jubilant. And I walked into the
Speaker 5: room to introduce myself, and the first thing he said
Speaker 5: to me is.
Speaker 3: I saw my brother.
Speaker 5: That's great. I didn't understand the context. He said you
Speaker 5: don't understand. I died and I saw my brother. So
Speaker 5: I'm all in, I'm all ears. Pull up a chair,
Speaker 5: I sit down. I said, tell me, tell me what happened.
Speaker 5: And he recounted this beautiful story of crossing over being
Speaker 5: greeted by his brother that he loved but had died
Speaker 5: tragically in an accident years earlier, and again this pivotal
Speaker 5: moment of I'm not afraid to die. It's okay, I
Speaker 5: know what's going to happen next.
Speaker 3: So as I'm getting ready to examine him, I pull
Speaker 3: the chair aside.
Speaker 5: I reach into my stethoscope, and he said, I know
Speaker 5: what's going to happen next. And I said, you're going
Speaker 5: to see your brother. He said, no, you want me
Speaker 5: to take a deep breath. By and large, near death
Speaker 5: experiences are quite positive, and what people experience is quite
Speaker 5: positive and transforming. But I am so glad that I
Speaker 5: asked the question because Carol told me an experience a
Speaker 5: patient who had had a cardiac arrest that was actually
Speaker 5: quite dark and quite frightening, and all of her fears
Speaker 5: that the afterlife came barreling in on her when she
Speaker 5: crossed over. She saw demons, she saw darkness, she saw agony,
Speaker 5: and when we resuscitated her, she was terrified, terrified of dying,
Speaker 5: terrified of what it was going to be like, terrified
Speaker 5: of what she perceived was waiting for her. And so
Speaker 5: when I asked her the question, that's what she shared
Speaker 5: with me. And I remember reading something in a book,
Speaker 5: a book that I got here, about someone's experience of
Speaker 5: encountering this darkness when they would go out of body
Speaker 5: and have experiences of exploring out of body, and they
Speaker 5: tried to avoid it, but it kept pulling her, and
Speaker 5: when she finally engaged with it, she understood it was
Speaker 5: just a throbbing, undulating mass of her collective fears and
Speaker 5: anxieties and beliefs that did.
Speaker 3: Not serve her.
Speaker 5: And so I remembered that story and we sat for
Speaker 5: probably an hour dissecting that experience of.
Speaker 3: What do you think that meant? Was anything familiar to
Speaker 3: you in that any fears that you have here that.
Speaker 5: Resonated with you in that experience. I was so fortunate
Speaker 5: that I had the time to sit with her and
Speaker 5: to unravel that, because she gained an understanding that how
Speaker 5: we are here is how it is there. If we
Speaker 5: set up that script I've heard people say I don't
Speaker 5: believe in God, I don't believe in an afterlife, and
Speaker 5: I've found myself saying, once you cross over, you will
Speaker 5: find that that is true, because that's what you've decided
Speaker 5: is true. And so we were able with Carol to
Speaker 5: bring her back to a space, and I was able
Speaker 5: to share some stories with her that were brighter and
Speaker 5: lighter and more encouraging that this, in all likelihood was
Speaker 5: a script and a scaffolding that she had set up
Speaker 5: for herself, and that if she took the time to
Speaker 5: explore those fears and to untangle them and to set
Speaker 5: them aside, and to refuse to keep their company, that
Speaker 5: I felt confident that when she crossed over for the
Speaker 5: final time from this earth body, that her experience would
Speaker 5: be quite different. I'm still learning from this process. I'm
Speaker 5: still being informed by what people experience. There was a
Speaker 5: woman who was.
Speaker 3: Dying, and we knew she was dying, and it was
Speaker 3: clearly her time. There was nothing that we could do
Speaker 3: to save her.
Speaker 5: But she was quite conscious, and she had a son
Speaker 5: who had been quite naughty, and he had done some
Speaker 5: things that were just so unkind to his parents and
Speaker 5: alienated himself from his parents. He had spent some prison
Speaker 5: time for theft related to how he had really destroyed
Speaker 5: their financial lives, and so there's a lot of hate
Speaker 5: and animosity that existed between them.
Speaker 3: E'sn wanted to come.
Speaker 5: Visit her on her deathbed, and she said, no, I
Speaker 5: don't want to see you. And of course he's older,
Speaker 5: he's has more experience. This is now twenty five years
Speaker 5: after the fact, and he really wants to connect to
Speaker 5: his mom. And he's sitting in a bar, We've got
Speaker 5: lots of them in Wisconsin, and he's experiencing deep sorrow,
Speaker 5: deep regret, deep remorse, wanting to connect with his mom
Speaker 5: before she crosses over, and she's refusing to see him,
Speaker 5: and he's wanting this so badly. He looks up and
Speaker 5: he sees his mother coming into the bar, and he's
Speaker 5: so shocked and he's so elated. He's crying, he's excited,
Speaker 5: and he can't understand it because she's so sick.
Speaker 3: What is she doing there?
Speaker 5: And he gets up to go greet her and assn
Speaker 5: some bars are always so crowded. There are people that
Speaker 5: obscure the view, and when they pass, she's no longer there.
Speaker 5: His mother wakes up and says, I have just dream
Speaker 5: I dreamed that I was in a bar and I
Speaker 5: saw my son sitting at a table crying, and he
Speaker 5: got up to start coming to me, and I got
Speaker 5: scared and I woke up. And we were able to
Speaker 5: corroborate these stories and understand that her sigh herself. And
Speaker 5: this is how I see it, because unfortunately, before she passed,
Speaker 5: they were not able to make that physical connection, but
Speaker 5: I believe they made that soul connection, and.
Speaker 3: He was blown away. The family was blown.
Speaker 5: Away because they understood that something quite unusual had happened,
Speaker 5: and they were able to share the same data to
Speaker 5: confirm that this was true.
Speaker 3: This is a fun one.
Speaker 5: I liked what William Buelman said about throwing out an
Speaker 5: anchor and keeping yourself firmly entrenched in a reality.
Speaker 3: And we come across that.
Speaker 5: I had a lady one time who was incredibly ill
Speaker 5: and bound into her hospital bed by every cord that
Speaker 5: mankind can invent that.
Speaker 3: Has utility in the ICU.
Speaker 5: She had a folly in her bladder, she had a
Speaker 5: tube in her throat connecting her to the ventilator. She
Speaker 5: had IVS, she had lines, and she was quite ill,
Speaker 5: but we knew that she would probably not die from
Speaker 5: this illness.
Speaker 3: So when she.
Speaker 5: Recovered, she was furious. She said, your staff is horrible.
Speaker 5: I tried talking to that nurse and telling her I
Speaker 5: had to go to the bathroom, and she would not
Speaker 5: listen to me. And she was right there and she
Speaker 5: kept her back to me the whole time. I know
Speaker 5: she could hear me, and she was just ignoring me.
Speaker 5: So I got frustrated with all you people. I had
Speaker 5: to go to the bathroom. So I got up out
Speaker 5: of bed and started looking for a bathroom. You don't
Speaker 5: have a bathroom here in the ICU.
Speaker 3: Did you know that?
Speaker 5: And I went over to Miss Sallie and she described Sally,
Speaker 5: and Sally is our administrative assistant in the ICU. She
Speaker 5: described her perfectly, who was not on duty the day
Speaker 5: that she woke up and was telling me this story.
Speaker 3: And I asked Sally where the bathroom and wasn't She
Speaker 3: ignored me? And so I went out the door to
Speaker 3: the ICU, and I wanted to say, did you open
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go through them. And I looked around and
Speaker 3: this is a sorry institution. You don't have a bathroom
Speaker 3: anywhere for use of the patients and I'm going to
Speaker 3: file a complaint. She did.
Speaker 5: She filed a farmer complaint, and the nurse manager that
Speaker 5: I know very well of the ICU, she came up
Speaker 5: to me and she said, I knew this could only
Speaker 5: be your patient, Lauren. I engaged this patient in conversation
Speaker 5: in language that I felt that she could accept and understand.
Speaker 5: Suggested to her that maybe she had had a non
Speaker 5: physical experience, that maybe she had had an out of
Speaker 5: body experience, but she did not have the context to
Speaker 5: even register that she did not have the experience. Her
Speaker 5: anchor was firmly out in this physical reality, and that
Speaker 5: is how she interpreted her experience, to the point of
Speaker 5: putting ink to paper to tell us how bad we
Speaker 5: were for not having bathrooms in the ICU. Another one
Speaker 5: that is really quite charming, and this is just an
Speaker 5: example of many and the night shift things can quiet
Speaker 5: down and be quite controlled and peaceful even in the ICU,
Speaker 5: and nurses were sitting out talking, chit chatting. And we
Speaker 5: received another complaint of a guy who did not feel
Speaker 5: that his needs were being met and couldn't get the
Speaker 5: call like to work. Must be the batteries needed to
Speaker 5: be changed. So he came out to the nurses station
Speaker 5: and he started talking to the nurses. They didn't listen
Speaker 5: to him. He tapped him on the shoulder, they didn't
Speaker 5: listen to him, and he's thinking, these nurses are just
Speaker 5: so inattentive. I've never seen anything like this in my
Speaker 5: whole life. So he sits on the counter and said,
Speaker 5: I'm going to sit on the counter till they noticed me.
Speaker 3: And they never noticed him.
Speaker 5: So he went back to bed for lack of anything
Speaker 5: better to do, understanding from our perspective that he's so
Speaker 5: hooked up he can't even possibly turn over, let alone
Speaker 5: get out of bed. But again explaining to him that
Speaker 5: reality his anchors firmly down.
Speaker 3: He can't conceive that this is even possible.
Speaker 5: What I've encountered recently is I continue to grow in
Speaker 5: this journey and to evolve how I interact with patients
Speaker 5: is understanding that there is a truth that exists for
Speaker 5: patients around these experiences that has nothing to do with
Speaker 5: our belief in them or lack thereof. They exist independently,
Speaker 5: and they don't need our belief in them to be true.
Speaker 3: They don't even need the patients believe in them. To
Speaker 3: be true.
Speaker 4: Before we continue with doctor Lauren's next stories, I think
Speaker 4: it's important to point out a couple of things. One
Speaker 4: is this question about negative near death experiences. Even in
Speaker 4: the movie After Death, they brought up these negative experiences
Speaker 4: in the movie, and with people that I have interviewed,
Speaker 4: there's usually a pinprick of light or they start praying
Speaker 4: and it shifts that experience. Also, we are not yet
Speaker 4: detached from our physical body, so our consciousness is still involved.
Speaker 4: So some of the fears that we might have may
Speaker 4: show up if we don't have them resolved before we die. However,
Speaker 4: at some point there's the light, there's our loved ones,
Speaker 4: and there's the love. Also, I know personally some people
Speaker 4: that attempted to take their own life, they saw negative
Speaker 4: and they feel that that made them want to live.
Speaker 4: The other thing is these are out of body experiences.
Speaker 4: I love hearing about people cruising around the hospital, can't
Speaker 4: find the bathroom, can't get the nurses attention. Our consciousness
Speaker 4: is very powerful, so we may look at more of
Speaker 4: these out of body experiences in another episode. Fascinating, Let's
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Speaker 4: Born Book. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
Speaker 4: Sandra Champlain and we are listening to the stories of
Speaker 4: critical care doctor. I see you, doctor Lauren Belg. If
Speaker 4: you want to find out more about her, you can
Speaker 4: go to Laurenbelg dot com. Let me spell it for
Speaker 4: you l A U R I N b E l
Speaker 4: l G dot com Laurenbelg dot com, and you may
Speaker 4: be interested in picking up her book, Near Death in
Speaker 4: the ICU Stories from patients near death and why we
Speaker 4: should listen to them. Let's continue with doctor Lauren.
Speaker 5: I had a patient who I was seeing again and
Speaker 5: follow up because this tends to be where I am
Speaker 5: able to hold space and receive these stories. But this
Speaker 5: woman had been in a very bad accident and had
Speaker 5: broken both of her ankles, and they had to extract
Speaker 5: her from the car with the jaws of life and
Speaker 5: all the drama that goes into trying to get someone
Speaker 5: untangled from mangled metal. Her children brought her to see me.
Speaker 5: They came to the follow up and they said, basically,
Speaker 5: we want you to set her straight. She's telling us
Speaker 5: a story that we knew was impossible to happen. And
Speaker 5: my immediate thought, though I didn't say it, is you picked.
Speaker 3: The wrong doctor.
Speaker 5: If you want me to set her straight about an
Speaker 5: experience that she says happened that you don't believe did.
Speaker 3: But what she told is that she is the eternal mother,
Speaker 3: she's the driver. She's stuck in this car.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't even register as a possibility for her,
Speaker 5: speaking of the impossible, it doesn't even enter our mind
Speaker 5: that she can't get out of this car and assess
Speaker 5: that the people.
Speaker 3: And see if they need anything.
Speaker 5: So she gets out of the car and she's walking
Speaker 5: around checking on people to make sure they're okay, and
Speaker 5: then she hears the sirens and thinks, oh, I better
Speaker 5: get back in the car, so I think can take
Speaker 5: care of all of this.
Speaker 3: So she gets back in.
Speaker 5: The car, and she's excited about this phenomena because at
Speaker 5: some point she realizes, wait a minute, if they had
Speaker 5: to get me out of the car, how did I
Speaker 5: get out of the car.
Speaker 3: And walk around.
Speaker 5: So she's processing this at home, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: she's in love with this story of something fantastic happened
Speaker 5: to me, and I'm telling everybody, and her kids aren't
Speaker 5: buying it, and they become annoyed. They become irritated by
Speaker 5: this phenomena that becomes her deep.
Speaker 3: Truth of what happened.
Speaker 5: And so we end up having a discussion, in quite
Speaker 5: a nice discussion where they still don't believe it. We
Speaker 5: come to an agreement that she experienced something that she
Speaker 5: cannot prove to you that happened. You're hearing something that
Speaker 5: you cannot prove to her did not happen. In this
Speaker 5: middle space, let's agree to honor her truth and to
Speaker 5: hear her And when she wants to talk about it,
Speaker 5: do you think that you could hold space to hear
Speaker 5: her story without passing judgment, Because obviously this is something
Speaker 5: very important, very transformative that happened to her, and they
Speaker 5: were okay with that.
Speaker 3: And I haven't seen her in four.
Speaker 5: Years now, so I don't know if they have been
Speaker 5: transformed by osmosis of hearing her story over and over.
Speaker 3: I would hope.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 5: Another one that happened that I think is just quite
Speaker 5: fantastic is a lady who remained conscious throughout her entire accident,
Speaker 5: and that's recorded in the MS documentation. Because frequently you
Speaker 5: have this traumatic event, you're thrown from your car, you
Speaker 5: lose consciousness. They wake up in the ICU, you talk
Speaker 5: to them, they have no idea what happened. The last
Speaker 5: thing I remember is something was coming at me, or
Speaker 5: the last thing I remember is I was slamming on
Speaker 5: the brakes. There tends to be this protective veil that
Speaker 5: descends over trauma and you don't remember it. But this
Speaker 5: lady had been thrown from her car, and then she
Speaker 5: starts to explain with tears streaming down her face.
Speaker 3: I saw my.
Speaker 5: Mom, I saw my dad and they hugged me.
Speaker 3: She's choking sobs.
Speaker 5: So these are these simple sentences that she can get
Speaker 5: out in this high, squeaky, tear filled voice, and she's crying.
Speaker 5: I'm crying, the nurse is crying. This is just so beautiful.
Speaker 5: And her son comes very irritated. He said, that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: And he's angry.
Speaker 5: And the more she tells this story, the more angry
Speaker 5: he becomes, to the point that one time I asked
Speaker 5: him if I could have a moment with him out
Speaker 5: in the hallway, and so we have this discussion about truth,
Speaker 5: and this is her truth. I asked him, what is
Speaker 5: the most important thing in this situation? That she stopped
Speaker 5: talking nonsense, That's what he said, and I repeated the question.
Speaker 5: I said, no, what is the most important thing here?
Speaker 5: And he was finally able to come to the point
Speaker 5: that my mom get better. That's the most most important
Speaker 5: thing to me, that my mom get better. And I said,
Speaker 5: what if this experience that she had that has her
Speaker 5: so emotional is part of her getting better? What if
Speaker 5: her being supported in her truth, even though it's not
Speaker 5: your truth, is actually part of her healing and part
Speaker 5: of her.
Speaker 3: Road to recovery.
Speaker 5: And he was able to enter again and to what
Speaker 5: was him an uncomfortable agreement that we.
Speaker 3: Would support her truth.
Speaker 5: Because as I've gone through this process of being informed
Speaker 5: about near death experiences, out of body experiences, other phenomena
Speaker 5: of consciousness around people who have experienced trauma and illness
Speaker 5: is that they're there to teach us something they happen
Speaker 5: more than they realize, and hopefully, as we learn to
Speaker 5: ask the question, we will be invited into these experiences
Speaker 5: and hopefully as care providers gained some skill and helping
Speaker 5: them interpret that experience their interpretation, not ours, and help
Speaker 5: them to get as much from that experience as they
Speaker 5: deserve to get. And so that's my new passion is
Speaker 5: how can we train physicians, train nurses, trained healthcare providers,
Speaker 5: mental health providers to enter into a conversation around their
Speaker 5: truth Because what I hear now and I actually heard
Speaker 5: it from a doctor on NPR not too long ago.
Speaker 5: I was listening to this guy who is a well
Speaker 5: known author, well known physician, and it was really into
Speaker 5: what he was saying because he was talking about the
Speaker 5: cutting edge of medicine. If you listen to public radio,
Speaker 5: after they have a presentation, you know, they have a
Speaker 5: call in session afterwards. And so this person called in
Speaker 5: and he's explaining his near death experience over the phone,
Speaker 5: and I'm really excited and this esteemed physician across the
Speaker 5: airwaves said you have to understand that you were really sick,
Speaker 5: and he essentially shut him down on public radio telling
Speaker 5: him it didn't happen, telling them that it didn't exist
Speaker 5: and that it was probably a hallucination.
Speaker 3: And I was mortified. I turned the radio off. I
Speaker 3: was shaking. I couldn't even think.
Speaker 5: But what came out of that for me is that
Speaker 5: there is a sense of urgency to educating physicians that
Speaker 5: it does not matter if you believe in it or not.
Speaker 5: Your agenda around near death experiences and phenomena of consciousness
Speaker 5: is so unimportant. What is important, what is central, is
Speaker 5: what the patient in front of you experienced. So I'm
Speaker 5: asked to switch over to a video as I tell
Speaker 5: you a story of how this video came to be.
Speaker 3: And I really feel strongly that this work found me.
Speaker 5: It started with a curiosity, but I'm amazed once I
Speaker 5: opened that door what is coming my way and the
Speaker 5: invitation to be part of this conversation around educating providers
Speaker 5: about what our role truly is and that it really
Speaker 5: is a medical tool. Able to sit there and hold
Speaker 5: space without judgment and without interpretation. When I did Heartline
Speaker 5: in twenty ten, I met a lady there who was
Speaker 5: a filmmaker and she's also a member, very involved.
Speaker 3: Member of IONS, the International.
Speaker 5: Association for Near Deak Studies and Synchronicity being what it is.
Speaker 5: She and I came together and she started telling me
Speaker 5: about our project, and I started telling her about my experiences,
Speaker 5: and she said, would you be willing to be interviewed
Speaker 5: for this project that we're putting together on how to
Speaker 5: educate physicians about how to talk with people about their
Speaker 5: near death experiences?
Speaker 3: And I said sure, and didn't.
Speaker 5: Think anything about it, and time went by and I
Speaker 5: didn't hear from her, and she didn't hear from me.
Speaker 5: We had a local Chapter Network retreat that summer and
Speaker 5: she and her husband came.
Speaker 3: ROBERTA.
Speaker 5: Eller is her name, and she has a production company
Speaker 5: called Blue Marble Films. And we started talking again and
Speaker 5: it was this moment of she had forgotten, I'd forgotten.
Speaker 3: We saw each other and we said.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, we were going to do that thing, and
Speaker 5: she said, you know, I have my equipment here, I
Speaker 5: can set it up and we can do the interview
Speaker 5: right now. We were at the Nancy Penn Center. We
Speaker 5: realized this was probably not the best environment. One thing
Speaker 5: I know about Penny is that she is always up
Speaker 5: for anything that might be a little mischievous or out
Speaker 5: of the ordinary, and so she agreed to drive us
Speaker 5: up to Robert's mountain retreat. And while we did filming
Speaker 5: and set it up, Penny set about doing Penny stuff.
Speaker 5: But in retrospect, I consider the being that Penny is
Speaker 5: that she, without even knowing it, probably held incredible space
Speaker 5: for us while we did this interview, and it became
Speaker 5: part of a film, and the film is out now
Speaker 5: and is being distributed to physicians and nurses and mental
Speaker 5: health providers who are willing to listen. Our hope for
Speaker 5: this film is that it will gain some momentum to
Speaker 5: introduce a new way for providers to interact around patients
Speaker 5: who have had experiences of sciousness phenomena and become comfortable
Speaker 5: in asking the question and to understand that there's no
Speaker 5: pressure for them to believe in it, because their belief
Speaker 5: in it is irrelevant. Their ability to show up and
Speaker 5: ask the question is central. This film is about thirty minutes,
Speaker 5: so I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 4: We're not going to play the thirty minute video, but
Speaker 4: I do want to tell you about it. Doctor Lauren
Speaker 4: got it produced. If you know somebody who could use it,
Speaker 4: or want to watch it yourself, go to IDs dot
Speaker 4: org forward slash video. So I as in ice Cream,
Speaker 4: d as in David s as in Sandra, IDs dot
Speaker 4: org forward slash video. It features doctor Diane corkran Nde researcher,
Speaker 4: doctor Bruce Grayson, researcher, Jamis Holden, near death experiencer and neurosurgeon,
Speaker 4: Doctor Eben Alexander, psychiatrist and near death experience recent searcher,
Speaker 4: Doctor Mitch Lester, an orthopedic surgeon and near death experiencer,
Speaker 4: Doctor Anthony Chikoria. The impact the film After Death had
Speaker 4: on me, my mom, and I'm sure millions of other
Speaker 4: people definitely had something to do with the credibility of
Speaker 4: the people telling the stories, surgeons, physicians, a skeptical doctor
Speaker 4: telling the story who now has to believe the afterlife
Speaker 4: is real. We've got to have that hope, faith and trust,
Speaker 4: and your life is important. You are one of a kind,
Speaker 4: you are special, you are loved, and you are powerful.
Speaker 4: Don't forget to come visit me at one of our
Speaker 4: free Sunday gatherings with medium demonstration included, or you can
Speaker 4: watch your replay. They are extremely in inspiring and if
Speaker 4: you'd like a free copy of my book, just fill
Speaker 4: out your name an email address at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the page at we Don't Die dot com. In closing,
Speaker 4: I'm Sanders Champlain. Thank you so very much for listening
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