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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so

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Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Did I

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Speaker 4: ever tell you about my impossible promise? Way back in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and two, I took a self development course

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Speaker 4: called Power and Contribution, and the idea was to make

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Speaker 4: your life about being in service and when you pick

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Speaker 4: a really big thing that you're passionate about and where

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Speaker 4: you would like to help, then somehow your life works out.

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Speaker 4: People were taking on things like ending world hunger, cleaning

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Speaker 4: up the water in the world, things that are impossible

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Speaker 4: but we can make a difference in. And at that

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Speaker 4: time I have to tell you I had no idea

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Speaker 4: what I was passionate about. And they said, look what

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Speaker 4: it is you've been doing. Who have you been being,

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Speaker 4: What kind of things have you been interested in? Is

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Speaker 4: there any common denominator for me? I owned a small business.

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Speaker 4: I owned a coffee and chocolate store. Also my mom

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Speaker 4: and I catered for race car teams, and I had

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Speaker 4: been investigating the afterlife. Didn't tell anybody. Started out very small,

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Speaker 4: so I thought, who I am is someone who makes

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Speaker 4: a difference in a lot of different ways. We all

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Speaker 4: had to fill out this form with our impossible promise,

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Speaker 4: and I said, well, I'm looking at life after death.

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Speaker 4: Why don't I use that. We had to pick a

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Speaker 4: date twenty five years out in the future and make

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Speaker 4: a promise, and I said, by the year twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 4: all people in the world will know that we don't die,

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Speaker 4: that life is an education for the soul. So I

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Speaker 4: put it out there, never intending to do anything with it.

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Speaker 4: Years went by. I continued my investigation into the afterlife,

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Speaker 4: but of course I didn't tell anyone until twenty ten,

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Speaker 4: when my dad died, and what I learned about grief

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Speaker 4: made me realize that I wanted to start sharing with

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Speaker 4: people everything that I learned. We are going into twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four and now. Between my two podcasts have closed

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Speaker 4: to six hundred hours of interviews talking about the afterlife

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Speaker 4: and have had millions of downloads have my book We

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Speaker 4: Don't Die, a skeptics a discovery of life after death,

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Speaker 4: and I have no idea how many copies that has sold.

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Speaker 4: I am a once a month guest on Coast to

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Speaker 4: Coast AM with George Nori, talking to their three million listeners.

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Speaker 4: Because of you and your kindness, how kind some of

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Speaker 4: your reviews have been. This show has your own in

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Speaker 4: popularity big time. The girl who made that impossible promise

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Speaker 4: difference she's making today. Sometimes it gives me goosebumps to

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Speaker 4: realize that I'm on this path. Part of me thinks

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Speaker 4: whether it's God or the universe. Someone recognized how hard

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Speaker 4: I work and said let's give this mission to her.

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Speaker 4: I'm certainly not the person responsible for when a tipping

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Speaker 4: You never know who you are really until you get

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Speaker 4: spending all this time in the negative mind thinking about ourselves.

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Speaker 4: Some good news, Mom and I saw the movie After Death.

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Speaker 4: If you go back a few episodes, you'll see that

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Speaker 4: I interviewed Stephen Gray, who wrote and directed the movie,

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Speaker 4: today is number four in the box offices. It is

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Speaker 4: I am thrilled at the quality of the movie, taking mom.

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Speaker 4: be back for the rest of that story and more.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Norie. Thank you for listening to the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 6: and More. Sandrass starts right now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine.

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Speaker 4: Is it possible that a new way of thinking about

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Speaker 4: near death experiences, long reported but often discarded as hallucinations

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Speaker 4: Doctor Lauren Bell believes yes, so let's continue with her

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Speaker 5: say that he could understand the nurse's thoughts. He could

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Speaker 5: had incredible difficulty with vision and hearing. He had heightened

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Speaker 3: He could see, he didn't need his glasses.

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Speaker 5: He said, I've been doing some research about what I

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Speaker 5: It's a Monroe Institute, and we're connected, We're bosom buddies.

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Speaker 5: question and invite it forward. Just like buying a red car,

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,

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Speaker 4: and we're listening to doctor Lauren Bell, critical care doctor,

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Speaker 4: about some of the experiences and what she's witnessed.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Just before the break, she said, some of them are

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Speaker 4: quite funny, so let's listen.

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Speaker 5: I recently admitted a man to the hospital who had

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Speaker 5: had a respiratory arrest.

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Speaker 3: From his enphysima. He had been found by his son.

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Speaker 5: He was pulseless, he was non breathing, he was blue,

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Speaker 5: and he didn't know how to do CPR, so there

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Speaker 5: was some time before the ems got their way able

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Speaker 5: to resuscitate him.

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Speaker 3: And for time, oxygen.

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Speaker 5: Or the lack thereof is brain and so you always

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Speaker 5: worry about an oxic brain injury. But he was right

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Speaker 5: his rain. He was perfect. And I walked into the

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Speaker 5: room and he was jubilant. And I walked into the

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Speaker 5: room to introduce myself, and the first thing he said

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Speaker 5: to me is.

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Speaker 3: I saw my brother.

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Speaker 5: That's great. I didn't understand the context. He said you

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Speaker 5: don't understand. I died and I saw my brother. So

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Speaker 5: I'm all in, I'm all ears. Pull up a chair,

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Speaker 5: I sit down. I said, tell me, tell me what happened.

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Speaker 5: And he recounted this beautiful story of crossing over being

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Speaker 5: greeted by his brother that he loved but had died

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Speaker 5: tragically in an accident years earlier, and again this pivotal

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Speaker 5: moment of I'm not afraid to die. It's okay, I

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Speaker 5: know what's going to happen next.

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Speaker 3: So as I'm getting ready to examine him, I pull

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Speaker 3: the chair aside.

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Speaker 5: I reach into my stethoscope, and he said, I know

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Speaker 5: what's going to happen next. And I said, you're going

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Speaker 5: to see your brother. He said, no, you want me

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Speaker 5: to take a deep breath. By and large, near death

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Speaker 5: experiences are quite positive, and what people experience is quite

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Speaker 5: positive and transforming. But I am so glad that I

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Speaker 5: asked the question because Carol told me an experience a

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Speaker 5: patient who had had a cardiac arrest that was actually

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Speaker 5: quite dark and quite frightening, and all of her fears

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Speaker 5: that the afterlife came barreling in on her when she

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Speaker 5: crossed over. She saw demons, she saw darkness, she saw agony,

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Speaker 5: and when we resuscitated her, she was terrified, terrified of dying,

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Speaker 5: terrified of what it was going to be like, terrified

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Speaker 5: of what she perceived was waiting for her. And so

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Speaker 5: when I asked her the question, that's what she shared

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Speaker 5: with me. And I remember reading something in a book,

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Speaker 5: a book that I got here, about someone's experience of

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Speaker 5: encountering this darkness when they would go out of body

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Speaker 5: and have experiences of exploring out of body, and they

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Speaker 5: tried to avoid it, but it kept pulling her, and

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Speaker 5: when she finally engaged with it, she understood it was

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Speaker 5: just a throbbing, undulating mass of her collective fears and

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Speaker 5: anxieties and beliefs that did.

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Speaker 3: Not serve her.

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Speaker 5: And so I remembered that story and we sat for

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Speaker 5: probably an hour dissecting that experience of.

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Speaker 3: What do you think that meant? Was anything familiar to

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Speaker 3: you in that any fears that you have here that.

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Speaker 5: Resonated with you in that experience. I was so fortunate

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Speaker 5: that I had the time to sit with her and

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Speaker 5: to unravel that, because she gained an understanding that how

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Speaker 5: we are here is how it is there. If we

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Speaker 5: set up that script I've heard people say I don't

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Speaker 5: believe in God, I don't believe in an afterlife, and

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Speaker 5: I've found myself saying, once you cross over, you will

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Speaker 5: find that that is true, because that's what you've decided

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Speaker 5: is true. And so we were able with Carol to

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Speaker 5: bring her back to a space, and I was able

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Speaker 5: to share some stories with her that were brighter and

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Speaker 5: lighter and more encouraging that this, in all likelihood was

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Speaker 5: a script and a scaffolding that she had set up

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Speaker 5: for herself, and that if she took the time to

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Speaker 5: explore those fears and to untangle them and to set

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Speaker 5: them aside, and to refuse to keep their company, that

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Speaker 5: I felt confident that when she crossed over for the

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Speaker 5: final time from this earth body, that her experience would

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Speaker 5: be quite different. I'm still learning from this process. I'm

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Speaker 5: still being informed by what people experience. There was a

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Speaker 5: woman who was.

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Speaker 3: Dying, and we knew she was dying, and it was

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Speaker 3: clearly her time. There was nothing that we could do

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Speaker 3: to save her.

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Speaker 5: But she was quite conscious, and she had a son

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Speaker 5: who had been quite naughty, and he had done some

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Speaker 5: things that were just so unkind to his parents and

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Speaker 5: alienated himself from his parents. He had spent some prison

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Speaker 5: time for theft related to how he had really destroyed

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Speaker 5: their financial lives, and so there's a lot of hate

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Speaker 5: and animosity that existed between them.

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Speaker 3: E'sn wanted to come.

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Speaker 5: Visit her on her deathbed, and she said, no, I

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Speaker 5: don't want to see you. And of course he's older,

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Speaker 5: he's has more experience. This is now twenty five years

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Speaker 5: after the fact, and he really wants to connect to

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Speaker 5: his mom. And he's sitting in a bar, We've got

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Speaker 5: lots of them in Wisconsin, and he's experiencing deep sorrow,

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Speaker 5: deep regret, deep remorse, wanting to connect with his mom

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Speaker 5: before she crosses over, and she's refusing to see him,

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Speaker 5: and he's wanting this so badly. He looks up and

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Speaker 5: he sees his mother coming into the bar, and he's

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Speaker 5: so shocked and he's so elated. He's crying, he's excited,

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Speaker 5: and he can't understand it because she's so sick.

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Speaker 3: What is she doing there?

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Speaker 5: And he gets up to go greet her and assn

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Speaker 5: some bars are always so crowded. There are people that

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Speaker 5: obscure the view, and when they pass, she's no longer there.

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Speaker 5: His mother wakes up and says, I have just dream

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Speaker 5: I dreamed that I was in a bar and I

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Speaker 5: saw my son sitting at a table crying, and he

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Speaker 5: got up to start coming to me, and I got

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Speaker 5: scared and I woke up. And we were able to

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Speaker 5: corroborate these stories and understand that her sigh herself. And

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Speaker 5: this is how I see it, because unfortunately, before she passed,

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Speaker 5: they were not able to make that physical connection, but

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Speaker 5: I believe they made that soul connection, and.

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Speaker 3: He was blown away. The family was blown.

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Speaker 5: Away because they understood that something quite unusual had happened,

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Speaker 5: and they were able to share the same data to

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Speaker 5: confirm that this was true.

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Speaker 3: This is a fun one.

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Speaker 5: I liked what William Buelman said about throwing out an

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Speaker 5: anchor and keeping yourself firmly entrenched in a reality.

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Speaker 3: And we come across that.

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Speaker 5: I had a lady one time who was incredibly ill

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Speaker 5: and bound into her hospital bed by every cord that

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Speaker 5: mankind can invent that.

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Speaker 3: Has utility in the ICU.

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Speaker 5: She had a folly in her bladder, she had a

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Speaker 5: tube in her throat connecting her to the ventilator. She

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Speaker 5: had IVS, she had lines, and she was quite ill,

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Speaker 5: but we knew that she would probably not die from

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Speaker 5: this illness.

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Speaker 3: So when she.

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Speaker 5: Recovered, she was furious. She said, your staff is horrible.

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Speaker 5: I tried talking to that nurse and telling her I

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Speaker 5: had to go to the bathroom, and she would not

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Speaker 5: listen to me. And she was right there and she

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Speaker 5: kept her back to me the whole time. I know

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Speaker 5: she could hear me, and she was just ignoring me.

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Speaker 5: So I got frustrated with all you people. I had

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Speaker 5: to go to the bathroom. So I got up out

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Speaker 5: of bed and started looking for a bathroom. You don't

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Speaker 5: have a bathroom here in the ICU.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that?

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Speaker 5: And I went over to Miss Sallie and she described Sally,

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Speaker 5: and Sally is our administrative assistant in the ICU. She

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Speaker 5: described her perfectly, who was not on duty the day

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Speaker 5: that she woke up and was telling me this story.

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Speaker 3: And I asked Sally where the bathroom and wasn't She

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Speaker 3: ignored me? And so I went out the door to

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Speaker 3: the ICU, and I wanted to say, did you open

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go through them. And I looked around and

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Speaker 3: this is a sorry institution. You don't have a bathroom

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Speaker 3: anywhere for use of the patients and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: file a complaint. She did.

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Speaker 5: She filed a farmer complaint, and the nurse manager that

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Speaker 5: I know very well of the ICU, she came up

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Speaker 5: to me and she said, I knew this could only

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Speaker 5: be your patient, Lauren. I engaged this patient in conversation

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Speaker 5: in language that I felt that she could accept and understand.

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Speaker 5: Suggested to her that maybe she had had a non

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Speaker 5: physical experience, that maybe she had had an out of

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Speaker 5: body experience, but she did not have the context to

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Speaker 5: even register that she did not have the experience. Her

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Speaker 5: anchor was firmly out in this physical reality, and that

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Speaker 5: is how she interpreted her experience, to the point of

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Speaker 5: putting ink to paper to tell us how bad we

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Speaker 5: were for not having bathrooms in the ICU. Another one

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Speaker 5: that is really quite charming, and this is just an

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Speaker 5: example of many and the night shift things can quiet

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Speaker 5: down and be quite controlled and peaceful even in the ICU,

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Speaker 5: and nurses were sitting out talking, chit chatting. And we

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Speaker 5: received another complaint of a guy who did not feel

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Speaker 5: that his needs were being met and couldn't get the

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Speaker 5: call like to work. Must be the batteries needed to

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Speaker 5: be changed. So he came out to the nurses station

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Speaker 5: and he started talking to the nurses. They didn't listen

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Speaker 5: to him. He tapped him on the shoulder, they didn't

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Speaker 5: listen to him, and he's thinking, these nurses are just

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Speaker 5: so inattentive. I've never seen anything like this in my

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Speaker 5: whole life. So he sits on the counter and said,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to sit on the counter till they noticed me.

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Speaker 3: And they never noticed him.

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Speaker 5: So he went back to bed for lack of anything

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Speaker 5: better to do, understanding from our perspective that he's so

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Speaker 5: hooked up he can't even possibly turn over, let alone

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Speaker 5: get out of bed. But again explaining to him that

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Speaker 5: reality his anchors firmly down.

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Speaker 3: He can't conceive that this is even possible.

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Speaker 5: What I've encountered recently is I continue to grow in

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Speaker 5: this journey and to evolve how I interact with patients

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Speaker 5: is understanding that there is a truth that exists for

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Speaker 5: patients around these experiences that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 5: our belief in them or lack thereof. They exist independently,

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Speaker 5: and they don't need our belief in them to be true.

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Speaker 3: They don't even need the patients believe in them. To

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Speaker 3: be true.

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Speaker 4: Before we continue with doctor Lauren's next stories, I think

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Speaker 4: it's important to point out a couple of things. One

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Speaker 4: is this question about negative near death experiences. Even in

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Speaker 4: the movie After Death, they brought up these negative experiences

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Speaker 4: in the movie, and with people that I have interviewed,

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Speaker 4: there's usually a pinprick of light or they start praying

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Speaker 4: and it shifts that experience. Also, we are not yet

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Speaker 4: detached from our physical body, so our consciousness is still involved.

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Speaker 4: So some of the fears that we might have may

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Speaker 4: show up if we don't have them resolved before we die. However,

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Speaker 4: at some point there's the light, there's our loved ones,

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Speaker 4: and there's the love. Also, I know personally some people

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Speaker 4: that attempted to take their own life, they saw negative

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Speaker 4: and they feel that that made them want to live.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is these are out of body experiences.

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Speaker 4: I love hearing about people cruising around the hospital, can't

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Speaker 4: find the bathroom, can't get the nurses attention. Our consciousness

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Speaker 4: is very powerful, so we may look at more of

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Speaker 4: these out of body experiences in another episode. Fascinating, Let's

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Speaker 4: Born Book. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 4: Sandra Champlain and we are listening to the stories of

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Speaker 4: critical care doctor. I see you, doctor Lauren Belg. If

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Speaker 4: you want to find out more about her, you can

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Speaker 4: go to Laurenbelg dot com. Let me spell it for

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Speaker 4: you l A U R I N b E l

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Speaker 4: l G dot com Laurenbelg dot com, and you may

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Speaker 4: be interested in picking up her book, Near Death in

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Speaker 4: the ICU Stories from patients near death and why we

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Speaker 4: should listen to them. Let's continue with doctor Lauren.

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Speaker 5: I had a patient who I was seeing again and

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Speaker 5: follow up because this tends to be where I am

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Speaker 5: able to hold space and receive these stories. But this

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Speaker 5: woman had been in a very bad accident and had

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Speaker 5: broken both of her ankles, and they had to extract

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Speaker 5: her from the car with the jaws of life and

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Speaker 5: all the drama that goes into trying to get someone

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Speaker 5: untangled from mangled metal. Her children brought her to see me.

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Speaker 5: They came to the follow up and they said, basically,

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Speaker 5: we want you to set her straight. She's telling us

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Speaker 5: a story that we knew was impossible to happen. And

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Speaker 5: my immediate thought, though I didn't say it, is you picked.

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Speaker 3: The wrong doctor.

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Speaker 5: If you want me to set her straight about an

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Speaker 5: experience that she says happened that you don't believe did.

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Speaker 3: But what she told is that she is the eternal mother,

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Speaker 3: she's the driver. She's stuck in this car.

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Speaker 5: But that doesn't even register as a possibility for her,

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Speaker 5: speaking of the impossible, it doesn't even enter our mind

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Speaker 5: that she can't get out of this car and assess

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Speaker 5: that the people.

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Speaker 3: And see if they need anything.

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Speaker 5: So she gets out of the car and she's walking

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Speaker 5: around checking on people to make sure they're okay, and

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Speaker 5: then she hears the sirens and thinks, oh, I better

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Speaker 5: get back in the car, so I think can take

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Speaker 5: care of all of this.

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Speaker 3: So she gets back in.

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Speaker 5: The car, and she's excited about this phenomena because at

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Speaker 5: some point she realizes, wait a minute, if they had

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Speaker 5: to get me out of the car, how did I

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Speaker 5: get out of the car.

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Speaker 3: And walk around.

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Speaker 5: So she's processing this at home, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: she's in love with this story of something fantastic happened

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Speaker 5: to me, and I'm telling everybody, and her kids aren't

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Speaker 5: buying it, and they become annoyed. They become irritated by

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Speaker 5: this phenomena that becomes her deep.

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Speaker 3: Truth of what happened.

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Speaker 5: And so we end up having a discussion, in quite

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Speaker 5: a nice discussion where they still don't believe it. We

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Speaker 5: come to an agreement that she experienced something that she

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Speaker 5: cannot prove to you that happened. You're hearing something that

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Speaker 5: you cannot prove to her did not happen. In this

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Speaker 5: middle space, let's agree to honor her truth and to

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Speaker 5: hear her And when she wants to talk about it,

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Speaker 5: do you think that you could hold space to hear

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Speaker 5: her story without passing judgment, Because obviously this is something

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Speaker 5: very important, very transformative that happened to her, and they

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Speaker 5: were okay with that.

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Speaker 3: And I haven't seen her in four.

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Speaker 5: Years now, so I don't know if they have been

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Speaker 5: transformed by osmosis of hearing her story over and over.

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Speaker 3: I would hope.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 5: Another one that happened that I think is just quite

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Speaker 5: fantastic is a lady who remained conscious throughout her entire accident,

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Speaker 5: and that's recorded in the MS documentation. Because frequently you

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Speaker 5: have this traumatic event, you're thrown from your car, you

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Speaker 5: lose consciousness. They wake up in the ICU, you talk

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Speaker 5: to them, they have no idea what happened. The last

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Speaker 5: thing I remember is something was coming at me, or

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Speaker 5: the last thing I remember is I was slamming on

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Speaker 5: the brakes. There tends to be this protective veil that

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Speaker 5: descends over trauma and you don't remember it. But this

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Speaker 5: lady had been thrown from her car, and then she

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Speaker 5: starts to explain with tears streaming down her face.

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Speaker 3: I saw my.

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Speaker 5: Mom, I saw my dad and they hugged me.

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Speaker 3: She's choking sobs.

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Speaker 5: So these are these simple sentences that she can get

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Speaker 5: out in this high, squeaky, tear filled voice, and she's crying.

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Speaker 5: I'm crying, the nurse is crying. This is just so beautiful.

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Speaker 5: And her son comes very irritated. He said, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: And he's angry.

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Speaker 5: And the more she tells this story, the more angry

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Speaker 5: he becomes, to the point that one time I asked

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Speaker 5: him if I could have a moment with him out

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Speaker 5: in the hallway, and so we have this discussion about truth,

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Speaker 5: and this is her truth. I asked him, what is

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Speaker 5: the most important thing in this situation? That she stopped

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Speaker 5: talking nonsense, That's what he said, and I repeated the question.

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Speaker 5: I said, no, what is the most important thing here?

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Speaker 5: And he was finally able to come to the point

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Speaker 5: that my mom get better. That's the most most important

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Speaker 5: thing to me, that my mom get better. And I said,

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Speaker 5: what if this experience that she had that has her

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Speaker 5: so emotional is part of her getting better? What if

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Speaker 5: her being supported in her truth, even though it's not

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Speaker 5: your truth, is actually part of her healing and part

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Speaker 5: of her.

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Speaker 3: Road to recovery.

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Speaker 5: And he was able to enter again and to what

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Speaker 5: was him an uncomfortable agreement that we.

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Speaker 3: Would support her truth.

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Speaker 5: Because as I've gone through this process of being informed

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Speaker 5: about near death experiences, out of body experiences, other phenomena

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Speaker 5: of consciousness around people who have experienced trauma and illness

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Speaker 5: is that they're there to teach us something they happen

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Speaker 5: more than they realize, and hopefully, as we learn to

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Speaker 5: ask the question, we will be invited into these experiences

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Speaker 5: and hopefully as care providers gained some skill and helping

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Speaker 5: them interpret that experience their interpretation, not ours, and help

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Speaker 5: them to get as much from that experience as they

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Speaker 5: deserve to get. And so that's my new passion is

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Speaker 5: how can we train physicians, train nurses, trained healthcare providers,

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Speaker 5: mental health providers to enter into a conversation around their

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Speaker 5: truth Because what I hear now and I actually heard

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Speaker 5: it from a doctor on NPR not too long ago.

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Speaker 5: I was listening to this guy who is a well

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Speaker 5: known author, well known physician, and it was really into

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Speaker 5: what he was saying because he was talking about the

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Speaker 5: cutting edge of medicine. If you listen to public radio,

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Speaker 5: after they have a presentation, you know, they have a

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Speaker 5: call in session afterwards. And so this person called in

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Speaker 5: and he's explaining his near death experience over the phone,

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Speaker 5: and I'm really excited and this esteemed physician across the

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Speaker 5: airwaves said you have to understand that you were really sick,

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Speaker 5: and he essentially shut him down on public radio telling

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Speaker 5: him it didn't happen, telling them that it didn't exist

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Speaker 5: and that it was probably a hallucination.

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Speaker 3: And I was mortified. I turned the radio off. I

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Speaker 3: was shaking. I couldn't even think.

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Speaker 5: But what came out of that for me is that

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Speaker 5: there is a sense of urgency to educating physicians that

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Speaker 5: it does not matter if you believe in it or not.

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Speaker 5: Your agenda around near death experiences and phenomena of consciousness

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Speaker 5: is so unimportant. What is important, what is central, is

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Speaker 5: what the patient in front of you experienced. So I'm

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Speaker 5: asked to switch over to a video as I tell

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Speaker 5: you a story of how this video came to be.

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Speaker 3: And I really feel strongly that this work found me.

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Speaker 5: It started with a curiosity, but I'm amazed once I

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Speaker 5: opened that door what is coming my way and the

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Speaker 5: invitation to be part of this conversation around educating providers

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Speaker 5: about what our role truly is and that it really

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Speaker 5: is a medical tool. Able to sit there and hold

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Speaker 5: space without judgment and without interpretation. When I did Heartline

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Speaker 5: in twenty ten, I met a lady there who was

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Speaker 5: a filmmaker and she's also a member, very involved.

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Speaker 3: Member of IONS, the International.

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Speaker 5: Association for Near Deak Studies and Synchronicity being what it is.

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Speaker 5: She and I came together and she started telling me

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Speaker 5: about our project, and I started telling her about my experiences,

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Speaker 5: and she said, would you be willing to be interviewed

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Speaker 5: for this project that we're putting together on how to

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Speaker 5: educate physicians about how to talk with people about their

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Speaker 5: near death experiences?

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Speaker 3: And I said sure, and didn't.

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Speaker 5: Think anything about it, and time went by and I

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Speaker 5: didn't hear from her, and she didn't hear from me.

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Speaker 5: We had a local Chapter Network retreat that summer and

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Speaker 5: she and her husband came.

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Speaker 3: ROBERTA.

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Speaker 5: Eller is her name, and she has a production company

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Speaker 5: called Blue Marble Films. And we started talking again and

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Speaker 5: it was this moment of she had forgotten, I'd forgotten.

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Speaker 3: We saw each other and we said.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, we were going to do that thing, and

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Speaker 5: she said, you know, I have my equipment here, I

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Speaker 5: can set it up and we can do the interview

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Speaker 5: right now. We were at the Nancy Penn Center. We

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Speaker 5: realized this was probably not the best environment. One thing

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Speaker 5: I know about Penny is that she is always up

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Speaker 5: for anything that might be a little mischievous or out

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Speaker 5: of the ordinary, and so she agreed to drive us

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Speaker 5: up to Robert's mountain retreat. And while we did filming

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Speaker 5: and set it up, Penny set about doing Penny stuff.

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Speaker 5: But in retrospect, I consider the being that Penny is

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Speaker 5: that she, without even knowing it, probably held incredible space

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Speaker 5: for us while we did this interview, and it became

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Speaker 5: part of a film, and the film is out now

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Speaker 5: and is being distributed to physicians and nurses and mental

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Speaker 5: health providers who are willing to listen. Our hope for

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Speaker 5: this film is that it will gain some momentum to

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Speaker 5: introduce a new way for providers to interact around patients

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Speaker 5: who have had experiences of sciousness phenomena and become comfortable

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Speaker 5: in asking the question and to understand that there's no

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Speaker 5: pressure for them to believe in it, because their belief

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Speaker 5: in it is irrelevant. Their ability to show up and

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Speaker 5: ask the question is central. This film is about thirty minutes,

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Speaker 5: so I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to play the thirty minute video, but

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Speaker 4: I do want to tell you about it. Doctor Lauren

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Speaker 4: got it produced. If you know somebody who could use it,

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Speaker 4: or want to watch it yourself, go to IDs dot

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Speaker 4: org forward slash video. So I as in ice Cream,

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Speaker 4: d as in David s as in Sandra, IDs dot

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Speaker 4: org forward slash video. It features doctor Diane corkran Nde researcher,

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Speaker 4: doctor Bruce Grayson, researcher, Jamis Holden, near death experiencer and neurosurgeon,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Eben Alexander, psychiatrist and near death experience recent searcher,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Mitch Lester, an orthopedic surgeon and near death experiencer,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Anthony Chikoria. The impact the film After Death had

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Speaker 4: on me, my mom, and I'm sure millions of other

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Speaker 4: people definitely had something to do with the credibility of

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Speaker 4: the people telling the stories, surgeons, physicians, a skeptical doctor

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Speaker 4: telling the story who now has to believe the afterlife

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Speaker 4: is real. We've got to have that hope, faith and trust,

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Speaker 4: and your life is important. You are one of a kind,

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