1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Thank you Football, Thank you Week eighteen. My goodness, what 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: a way to finish the NFL regular season as we 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: welcome you to another Monday edition here of Move the Sticks, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: right Louis or former NFL scouts Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks. Uh, guys, 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean like we're gonna get into all of it 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: here the coaching News, the GM News, But can we 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: just like just sit for a second and basking the 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: glow of a fantastic and furious race to the finish 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: line of the NFL. I mean it was what do 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: you think I have never seen anything like? The NFL 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: continues to be the best soap opera running on TV. 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Um the things that happened in the season finale, I 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: mean like it is the craziest that I've ever seen. Like, 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: I mean, the improbable happening Jacksonville. Um, just watching the 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Colts melt out in a pressure game was unbelievable. Like 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: seeing all of the stuff, just an unbelievable time. Samefod 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: and nine is railing back from seventeen then captin it 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: off with the Sunday game. I mean just DJ seeing 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: the game of the century in the regular season. I mean, 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got text from a buddy 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: that's been in the league for over thirty years and 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: he said, congratulations, that might be the best football game 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. And I'm and I and I 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here going this guy's got a lot 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: of experience. And I'm kind of going through my roll 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: decks on the drive home UM and UM Chiefs Monday night. 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the funny night was a fun one, but 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking the ones I was at, Like I 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: was at the Malcolm Butler and Reception super Bowl, which 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: was which was a shocking moment, but that was one moment, 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, Clemson Alabama National Championship game, phenomenal game, excellent. Florida. Yeah, 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: we were, Me and Buckey were together at the Auburn 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: Florida State with the US been or no Kevin Benjamin 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: and back in the end zone end zone from Jamis. 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of rolling through all these these games 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, I don't think I 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: what were there six fourth down conversion? I think Herbert 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: with what was on the line, I was fourth down 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: and long, fourth down long, including a fourth and twenty 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: plus and he freaking fires a touchdown. Like I it 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: was I came out of words. I said at one 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: point time after that touchdown, Buck, I said, that was 44 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: for me, Michael Jordan jumping from the free throw line 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: level of jaw dropping play, like, I don't know, Well, 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: what else to equate that too? Well, two of them 47 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: DJ like like, I think that's the thing I think 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: last night what it did is I think he Goes 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: Down is one of the best, if not the best 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: game because of the implications, right, because it's the winner 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: go home thing, like someone is the loser Leaf Town match, right, 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: And so with all of what was on the line, 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: to see the Raiders jump out and play the way 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: they played, they played great defense for maybe three quarters 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: three and a half quarters different great defense. And then 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: it's the value of having a legitimate franchise quarterback. And 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: I think now more than ever, what it will make 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: me do, I will grace so much harder when it 59 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks like that equality, I mean, like, yeah, 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: that that equality is so important. And the fact that 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: justin Herbert you talked about six fourth down conversions hadn't 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: been that's seventy like and the way that he was 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: dealing because it's not just fourth and one's fourth and 64 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: ten and he's dropping dime after time after dime. And 65 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I'm like, man, 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: if you're in overtime, you're the raids. You like these, 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: let us get like, don't give it because he was 68 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: on fire and I've never seen anybody act like that 69 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff on the line. So, look, 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna dig deeper into this one, into the Brandon 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Stalely strategy, the fourth down earlier in the game, from 72 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: his own eighteen yard line, from the time out at 73 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: the very end, the potential of the tie, how it 74 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: all worked in. We'll get into that here. Coming up, 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: we'll also get into the draft order, which is set 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: for the first eighteen picks. We'll dig into that a 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: little bit. Pick our most intriguing playoff matchups as all 78 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: of them are set. We have six matchups coming up 79 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: on Super wild Card weekend. By the way, five of 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: the six rematches, so that's pretty cool. We'll get into 81 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: all of that, but let's begin with the news of 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: the day, which is some really big news on the 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: coaching and GM front as we've seen really started with 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: I guess you know, we saw some things that were expected. Um. 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: I think we expected to hear Vic Fangio's name go, 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: and that happened on Sunday today. Kind of one of 87 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: the bigger surprises though. Guys in Miami, let's start right 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: there with the Dolphins announcing that Brian Flores is out 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: as their head coach. GM Chris Greer will stay DJ 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: surface thought, UM on what that means in Miami here, Well, 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody was shocked by it, and 92 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: I think probably the three of us would be included 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: in that is being shocked by the move. Here, here's 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: all I can say. I don't know Brian Flores. I 95 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: respect the job that he did there. To have to, 96 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, back to back winning seasons, it's hard to 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: do in the NFL, especially you're starting over, starting new 98 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: and and getting that thing up and running the way 99 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: he did. I'll just say this, and I'll be curious 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: Bucky's take on this, because I've known Chris Greer for 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: close twenty years. Chris Greer, I don't know anybody in 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: the league that has a better reputation as a human 103 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: being now people can pick him and oh too over Herbert, 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: and you know, is he a great GM. I'll leave 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: that debate. That's that's for everybody to have. That's fair game. 106 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: But I just know Chris has a reputation and it's 107 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: been earned of being his high class, high character, a 108 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: great communicator and overall great dude. So I kind of 109 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: look at this from the outside and I say, man, 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: it must have been pretty bad in there. It must 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: have been pretty toxic with that relationship for them to 112 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: make this move. And and me personally, I'm gonna trust 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Chris just based off of my knowledge of knowing over 114 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: the years that this was probably not a good situation. 115 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: But I don't know where you are on that now. 116 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it obviously had to do something 117 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: with that, um, you know, the relationship and that Look, 118 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a people business and it's a relationship business. 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: And my concern would be, like we've seen multiple assistance 120 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: come out of the New England program and have these 121 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: issues when it comes to communicating with those in the building, 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: and I will say to maybe even protect them a 123 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: little bit, is maybe what happens is the reason why 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: I worked in New England is not only because of 125 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, but you have a team full of people 126 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: who kind of understand the high level of accountability and 127 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: maybe the abbressive, abrasive challenging that you may have to 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: maybe get the best performance out of those people. But 129 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: when you don't have people who are used to that, 130 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: it does become very very uncomfortable. And I think the 131 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations and uncomfortable environment makes people feel a certain way. 132 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: And I think, look, success us on the field is 133 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: one thing, but man, if you have a miserable environment, 134 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: it just makes it very very hard. And I'm saying 135 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: that given Brian Floor is the utmost respect for the 136 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: job that he's done to go aid and one down 137 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the stretch, to do what he's done to winning seasons 138 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: back to back after kind of doing the rebuild, like 139 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: he deserves a lot of credit for that. But I 140 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: think we're at a different time where people just are 141 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: uncomfortable having an environment that's not harmonious. A couple of 142 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: things to consider here, because there will be reverberations from 143 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: this move and Dolphin's owner Stephen Ross already coming out. 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: You know that they've made it official. He's coming out 145 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: and talking about it, says he will not be the 146 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: one to pull Jim Harbaugh from Michigan, noted Michigan man 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Steven Ross donor at Michigan will not pull. Yes, can 148 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I can I interrupt you there for a second, Okay, 149 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: because let's you know, if you go to board a 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: ship or a boat, right, you have the dock, right, 151 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: you know how you can pull somebody onto the onto 152 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: the boat, but also the other person can jump, So 153 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: he might not necessarily be pulling Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh 154 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: might be just leaping onto that boat by himself that 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: he left himself. I think everybody's just kind of dismissed it, 156 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: like forget Jim Harbaugh in Miami. I didn't take it 157 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: that way. I took it as Hey, I hope he 158 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: needs to stay at Michigan. But man, if he wants 159 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: to go coach in the NFL and he's dead set 160 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: on that, then you know, I guess we'll call there's 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: now three destinations that are technically open that have Jim 162 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: Harball somewhat connections. We can throw some water on that 163 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: because I don't think there are I and and Bucky 164 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: and I I feel like we've been. We're always kind 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: of at the I feel like we're at the beginning 166 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: of a lot of these conversations. We had the Hardball 167 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Raiders conversation two weeks ago, and then I feel like 168 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: a week later everybody kind of jumped in that water 169 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: with us, and so we were the first one in 170 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: the water. Buck, I'm gonna be the first one out 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: of the water. There's no way that Richard Sancha is 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: not the head coach there the five seed after all, 173 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: they there is no way on God's green earth that 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: he's not the head coach of the Raiders. Absolutely not, 175 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: absolutely not. Like I thought it was a done deal, 176 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: and I thought it was very important. I think he 177 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: realized the importance of getting into the playoffs and how 178 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: we do his legacy in DJ. That's why when we 179 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: talk about the charging game, all of those factors are 180 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: in there. Everyone, everyone on the sideline understands, hey, man, 181 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: if we get into the playoffs, we have an opportunity 182 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: to keep running this back, and so all of that 183 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: plays into the thinking. So I absolutely believe that, Look, 184 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Hardball is not in the mix. The Chicago thing is 185 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: the one that you're betting. Is that where you I mean, 186 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: we're not re betting, but if you were guessing that one, 187 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean that yeah, of course. Like because as much 188 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: as we talked about his relationship with both Shim Beckler 189 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff, like he also has sometimes 190 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: with Mike Dicker doing his days with the Bears, and 191 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: to me, he kind of fits what the Bears are about, right, 192 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: Like there's a toughness and a roughness about how he is. Yeah, 193 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: he's off, but the way that they play, the way 194 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: that he plays his teams play, it absolutely fits in Chicago. 195 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: But what if we had what if we had Michigan 196 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: versus Ohio State part two? In that in the race 197 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: for that Chicago job with Ryan Day. We will get 198 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: into that just yet. I'm gonna get to the Bears 199 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: here in a second, But I just mentioned the Miami 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: part of that for Hardball, considering the connections, and thank 201 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: you for pouring water on that to Vegas. I am 202 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: a hundred percent in agreement with you guys that rich 203 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: Posaccia has earned and deserves that job as the full 204 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: time head coach there. I'd love to see what he 205 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: and Mayok can do moving forward with that roster um. 206 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: But also the Shawn Watson quotient here from Miami, because 207 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Arian rappaport Um has mentioned that big piece of the 208 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: Shawn Watson's interest in Miami had to do with Brian 209 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: Flores being the head coach with Chris Career being the GM, 210 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: where that power struggle, where that disconnect with that discord 211 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: was happening. How much of that had to do with 212 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: the quarterback? I think is really interesting. Who was really 213 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: into his camp, who was onto his side? Who was 214 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: team Watson? Let's bring him in and then how does 215 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that all factor in here in the choice for the 216 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: next head coach? I mean, I thought, I look, it's 217 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: not a secret. Everybody in the NFL knows that Deshaun 218 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: Watson has been angling to get himself to Miami, and 219 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: I know I think Flores is a part of that. 220 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that was a Brian 221 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: Flora's operation. The only reason that too, that that he 222 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: wanted to go replace two of them but one. No. 223 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: But I I don't. I I don't see who replaces 224 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: Miami as his number one choice. I don't. I don't 225 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: see him. You know, I look in Philadelphia probably at 226 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: this point in time. I don't know if they'd want 227 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: to part with all the picks they have to part 228 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: where they're a playoff team with Jalen Hurts, they got 229 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: three first rounders, they can build around him, and they've 230 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: got something going. And so then you got all the 231 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: drama that comes along with Watson you're gonna have to 232 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: deal with as well. I don't know that they would 233 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: sign up for that. So when I look around trying 234 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: to find the place, um, you know buck Denver, but 235 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that's a that's a great it's a 236 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: great football fit. But I thought Miami was a lot 237 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: more than just Brian Flores personally. Yeah, And I think so. 238 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: And I think the way it played out, I think 239 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: because it was so loud, I think it put um, 240 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: maybe everybody in the building in a weird spot with 241 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback right with two of regards to whether you 242 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: like him or not, Like he's your quarterback now, and 243 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: so you have to deal with you got a young quarterback. 244 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out how to play with him. 245 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: And then when you don't make the move, if you're 246 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: going to flirt and do all that other stuff, and 247 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: the move has to happen, because what happens is now 248 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: you have scars and the scoring I think certainly impact too. 249 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: And now I would say this two hasn't played the 250 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: way that I thought he would play coming into the league, 251 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: and I think we have to like kind of have 252 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: that conversation, like, hey, he's not what we thought he 253 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: would be coming into the league. And you know, I 254 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: can sense the frustration with Bryan Floyd is there like 255 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: all that other stuff between he and the quarterback and 256 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback needing to play maybe better and those things. 257 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: And so when you have all of those factors in 258 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a little bit of a political 259 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: play in the building where you have people kind of 260 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: lined up behind their candidates when it comes to the 261 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: quarterback and all the other stuff, like you have a 262 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of backchawn conversations. And so it's unfortunate that it 263 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: played out the way that they played out today, But 264 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's the reality of the league. So that's 265 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: maybe the biggest surprise of the day, right to see 266 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Brian Flora has gone. It was no surprise to see 267 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Matt Naggy out in Chicago. I mean, gosh, is unfortunate 268 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: as it was, We've been talking about it for months now. 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: Really even more than a year considering some of the 270 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: issues that that team has had. Somewhat of a surprise 271 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: to see Ryan Pace go as general manager after the 272 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: patients that they had shown him. It is rare that 273 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: a GM gets to trade up twice for a franchise 274 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: quarterback and gets to hire three head coaches. That obviously 275 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be the case in Chicago. Ryan Pace 276 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: also out as the GM. There interesting situation there. They've 277 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: got some talented pieces on that roster, obviously none greater 278 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: than justin fields. Considering the potential. Uh, guys, how do 279 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: you how do you view the process to bring in 280 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: the new power structure here? Deep J In Chicago? Is 281 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it traditional we go GM first, GM hires the head 282 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: coach or is it something different here? What makes the 283 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: most sense for Chicago? Well, to me, the only way 284 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: you're going head coach first is if you're going big 285 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: game hunting, you know, and I can't think I don't know, Bucky. 286 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: If you can think of another name, I hardball would 287 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: be the only one I could think of, even like, 288 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: even like you know, I don't you'd say, Okay, you 289 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: want somebody with head coaching experience. With Doug Peterson kind 290 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: of comes from the same tree um that Naggie came from. Obviously, 291 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Peterson's won a Super Bowl and that that is, uh, 292 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: that's not nothing, that's nothing to sneeze at. But I 293 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: don't really see him going that route. So to me, 294 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: when I kind of look at the names for them, 295 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: you know the one that I would not rule out 296 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: for them. And I know this guy's name has been 297 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: brought up for jobs before and he's never shown any interest. 298 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: But this is the one NFL job that I think 299 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern would at least be intrigued by, 300 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: and he is. You want to talk about being popular 301 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: in the city of Chicago, Jim Harball would be a 302 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: home run. They would The Bears would be fi air 303 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: it up. I think their fans in that community would 304 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,479 Speaker 1: be fired up with Pat Fitzgerald. He's beloved uh in Chicago. 305 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: And I know, look, Matt rule hasn't worked out great. 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, the Meyer thing was a flop. Papet you 307 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: is a little different, a little different than those guys, um, 308 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: just in terms of the due right there. Oh my gosh. So, 309 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: but to answer your question, I'm always going to be 310 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: in favor of hiring the GM, letting the GM go 311 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: find a coach that he works well with and that 312 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: that fits, and then they can be kind of locked 313 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: locked together going forward. I think that's the proper way 314 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: to go, unless you go big game hunting. Yeah, I 315 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: think Jim Harbor is the main name that I would 316 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: think about like that, where you would give him the 317 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to be the czar of the organization where he's 318 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: the head coach, he has all the power, he picks 319 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: his person and comes along with. If it's not that, 320 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: then I think it has to be the traditional way 321 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: of higher general manager. The general manager then hires the 322 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: coach and all that. But I think this job is 323 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: kind of like Fool's gold in a little bit because 324 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: when you dig deep and look at their roster, I 325 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: mean it's a major rebuilding. My estimation the offensive line 326 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: is in Shawn Bubbles to defense is older and it's 327 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: not playing at the same level that it once played 328 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: at when we thought about them and there, hey they 329 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: with Khalil Mack and that stuff. No first round pick, 330 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: no first round pick. You have the young quarterback, but 331 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: you don't really have a lot around him, and so 332 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't think this is one where you jump in 333 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, good to go, new coach, 334 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: new scheme. Well, yeah, I think that's a good point, Bucky, 335 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: because in the division, you know, just just uh, just 336 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: a little ways away in Minneapolis, now that roster looks 337 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot different, right because there's some such a 338 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: better jobs key talent, Alvin Cook, Adam Feeling talking about 339 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: the pieces on defense. Go ahead, but that's the you 340 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: know what. It's a good debate because we're gonna see 341 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: the National championship game tonight, right and we're gonna and 342 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a little bit. Georgia has a 343 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: better roster, Alabama has a better quarterback. The better quarterback 344 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: mopped the floor with the better roster, So then you 345 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: look going forward. Kirk Cousins is a competent, solid starter 346 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: right now, he's got one year left. I don't know 347 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: how long that's gonna last, but least the Bears have 348 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: that central piece that's in place potentially for the next 349 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: fifteen years, while the Minnesota Vikings are gonna spend some 350 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: time trying to find that guy. The rosters outside the quarterback, 351 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's not close. I mean to me, 352 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: the Minnesota is stacked and they could you could come 353 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: in there and win eleven twelve games next year. That's 354 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: not far fetched. Yeah, I think it's funny and I think, um, 355 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: there's always a recency bias, but I think now I 356 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: am impacted by the fact that if you don't have 357 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you don't have a chance. Like we can 358 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: talk about trucks and trailers and all this stuff, like 359 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: you can be a trailer and get to the thing 360 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: on occasion, you're not gonna do that successfully time after 361 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: time after time after time. Like the quarterback Trump's everything 362 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: and um for me to come around like just seeing it, 363 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: like just watch it how the quarterbacks, the elite quarterbacks 364 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: take over Josh Allen to take over. The last couple 365 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: of weeks when the Buffalo Bills needed to win games, 366 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: Josh Allen said, Okay, I got this, don't worry, I'll 367 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: take care of it. I mean that's to do Tom 368 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Brady all the noise all week a b thisn't that 369 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: I got this all comment all down. And I think 370 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: it's really important that when you when you're looking at jobs, 371 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: you better you better have a quarterback or you better 372 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: have a plan to get a quarterback right away. Because 373 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: you don't have a quarterback, you have a chance because 374 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: everyone who is getting fired a lot of times it 375 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: has to do with the quarterback not performing. I'm not 376 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: being good enough at the quarterback position to win games. 377 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: And that's that was the other surprising piece of this. Again, 378 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: there've been rumblings about Mike Zimmer being out this year, 379 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: not as much heat on Rick Spielman, who has been 380 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: there for sixteen because we just talked about the roster. 381 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Terrific roster. It's made some terrific draft picks, justin Jefferson obviously, 382 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook in the second round has been huge. The 383 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: defensive pieces have been like a solid core there. Daniel 384 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: Hunter only plays what seven games this year? Um, and 385 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: they were out. So like, I think it'll be really 386 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: intriguing to see who the Vikings go after from a 387 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, because they just had George Peyton right who 388 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: would who would seem to be the heir apparent and 389 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: then let him leave for over uh this past year. Right, 390 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: It's such a it's such a weird thing, man like 391 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: like right now, I mean, there are a lot of 392 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: good guys, a lot of good buddies of ours that 393 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: are qualified. But then you're sitting and you're looking at 394 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: these jobs and you're trying to figure out who fits where, 395 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: what would be the right fit for the guys that 396 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: we know based on their personality and their belief system 397 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: and the success that they've had and and all of 398 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: that other stuff. And then you wonder, um, did it 399 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: will make the move with somebody internally in mind? Like 400 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: that's the thing that we don't know because it's so 401 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: weird in DJ and I can talk about like when 402 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: you work there, you have these conversations with ownership and 403 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: people and all the other stuff, and you never know 404 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: how it impacts how they view you or you never 405 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: know like what the internal view is on someone. Is 406 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: there a rising star who they feel like, hey, look 407 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: he learned. We can keep some of the continuity in place, 408 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: but maybe this guy gives us an opportunity to be 409 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: even better like we I mean, it's just one of 410 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: those weird occurrences. What do you guys think about this? 411 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: I'll get both your opinions on this because I've long 412 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: subscribed to the opposite theory, right, whoever leaves you hire 413 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: the opposite for sure, Like like when I look at 414 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: the Minnesota head coaching job, Zimmers and XS and Nose 415 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: guru like he's as respected a defensive mind as there 416 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: is in football, Like he's been outstanding. And I think, 417 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: but maybe from like a soft edges communicative like you 418 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: know that kind of guy, yes, yes, so like kind 419 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: of that type of a coach. And then I think 420 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: about the Denver broncos Vic Fangio kind of an older 421 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: hedge defensive in the in the weeds XS and Ose 422 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: guy like, I think they try and find like a 423 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: big personality uh type to replace him. And then with 424 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: Naggie with Chicago, I think of okay, kind of you know, 425 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: somewhat obscure unknown who came in there. So now you 426 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: go find a made man, which is you know, harball um. 427 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting when you look at these jobs 428 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of the opposite thing. Now, Jacksonville, what's 429 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: the opposite of Herbert Meyer? I got, I don't know 430 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: how to help you with that one, Like, look, I 431 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: wish I could shed more light on that situation. I 432 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: think the Jacksonville situation is such a weird deal because, um, 433 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: yesterday maybe you guys weren't aware, but because I'm tied 434 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: to the organization. Like there's it was a clown out. 435 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: People showed up and in clowns. Trevor has this best game, right, 436 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: clowns and they play their tails. Trevor played the best 437 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: game that he that he played. They played lightstyle. You're 438 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: looking at the team. You're trying to figure out, like 439 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: who is this team? Where is this where has this 440 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: team been hot? And so now it's okay, so you 441 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: have to clown out to show your displeasure with uh 442 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: ownership right now retaining the general manager. But you get 443 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: a win. So now what how much does that cloud everything? 444 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: Not for the fans but for ownership, Like, but I don't, 445 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to get you. I don't 446 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: want to get you in trouble buck, I don't want to. 447 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm not don't even answer if I put you in 448 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: uncomfortable spot. By the way, Nathaniel Hackett interviewing later this week. 449 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: I know, I know some of these dudes who are 450 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: up for for that job. They they don't want it, 451 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: and they and they acknowledge. I think this quarterback is 452 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: going to be great, but that's not I'm not doing 453 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: that job. Maybe I'll interview. Maybe I'll interview, get the 454 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: experience all that, but I'm no, I'm not taking that job. 455 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Is that because of general manager? Is that because of 456 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: organizational function? Is I'll leave that up to you to 457 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: add that together. So so here's here's here's what I 458 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: would say. I would say that what needs to happen 459 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: is an organizational reset, all right, And so whoever comes 460 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: in and this is what they thought they would get. 461 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Organization needs to be unified from top to bottom on 462 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: both sides, business and football side. Everything needs to be 463 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: like the silo needs to be correct. And so that 464 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: person needs to be what I say, like the reason 465 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: why I say it has to be somewhat with experience 466 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: and know how that person needs to ay from day 467 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: one when they walk into building. Here's how we're operating. 468 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: This is where we're going. This is what it looks like. 469 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna collapse. It's gonna be great. 470 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna have this interacting thing and all this other stuff. 471 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: Because it's been so fractured for over a decade. That 472 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: is hard. A coach with a great playbook is not 473 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: gonna change the culture. It's not going to change the 474 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: winning factor. It has to be someone who has a presence, 475 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: who has the ability to bring everybody together and move 476 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: them forward. And so the leadership part of it is 477 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: more important than any of the stuff that happens in 478 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: the playbook. And look, that personnel piece is huge because 479 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of different things in the building 480 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: that are working on and so you've gotta be able 481 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: to get along and figure out how are you gonna 482 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: do it? Just recapping then, before we move on here, 483 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: six head coaching openings as of this taping here this morning. 484 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Sounds like as of right now, there will not be 485 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: a seventh in New York, you know, like Garafolo all reporting, 486 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: Joe Judge has been meeting with coaches and players today 487 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: with an eye towards him leading this team into the future. 488 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: General manager could of course be another story. Will of 489 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: course keep an eye on that. But the Giants and 490 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: the Jets there after a disappointing football season in uh 491 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: the New York New Jersey area, both with two top 492 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: ten draft picks, get into the top ten here in 493 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: just a bit, as well to GM openings as of 494 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: right now in Minnesota and in Chicago, and really, I guess, guys, 495 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: according to us here, there's really only five head coaching openings. 496 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: We fully expect Rich Posagy to get the full time 497 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: gig uh in Las Vegas as they prepare for the postseason. 498 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: How they got there is, of course, the subject and 499 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: one of the headlines of this NFL season and perhaps 500 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: this NFL century. We get into it right after this 501 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: quick break game of the week, game of the year, 502 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: game of the deck, I mean, like game of what 503 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: like do you usually pick the superlative Raiders Chargers from 504 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Las Vegas? Last night was everything you ever wanted in 505 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: a football game, with all of the implications and everything 506 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: on the line, and the Raiders end up with the 507 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: victory and punching their ticket to the post season after 508 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: all that they've been through this year. Uh, DJ, you 509 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: were at this game calling it as part of the 510 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: Chargers broadcast. Obviously disappointment on the Charger side with how 511 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: it ended. I'll give you the floor to start this 512 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: thing here and how you how you saw it developed? Well, 513 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: first of all, somebody uh on the way home called 514 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: and said, you need to save your credential because they'll 515 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: be talking about this game in twenty years. And what 516 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: I realized, I'm very tough on my credentials here. Thing 517 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: is in rough shape, so I don't think I'm gonna 518 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: be keeping this. So I mean, you can get it limited. 519 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Taking that limited somebody I've never been. I've never been 520 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: in a more entertaining game, a more you know, stressful game. 521 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there at this significance of it with 522 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: three fan bases locked in, knowing that their postseason fate 523 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: rides on this game. I mean, it was. It was 524 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: like nothing I've ever seen before. And just fourth down 525 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: after fourth down. Um Herbert was incredible. The Raiders as 526 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: you meant, and so much grit, so much toughness in 527 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: my opinion, And I'm stepping back from this, and I 528 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: know I called the games for the Chargers. I think 529 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: the talent disparity between those teams was vast. I think 530 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: the Chargers have a much better team on paper than 531 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: the Raiders did. But the Chargers shot themselves in the 532 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: foot with a bunch of stuff which we'll get into. 533 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: And the Raiders grit and toughness, and they were more 534 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: physical at the biggest moments of the game, and they 535 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: also featured their best players. They don't have a ton 536 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: of big time guys. But Max Crosby dominated the football 537 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: game off the edge. They got him on Storm Norton 538 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: and the Chargers didn't have any answer for it. Hunter 539 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: Renfro down on the red zone dominated their stars and 540 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: those big moments, uh kind of carried them. And Josh 541 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Jacobs no flash, but I feel buck, we've been on this, 542 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: We've been riding this train here for the last month 543 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: or so. As we start looking towards the draft, give 544 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: me the two pound backs because you might be you 545 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: might have ten carriers for twenty yards in the first half, 546 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: but eventually in the third and fourth quarter, you don't 547 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: want to tackle two pound guy. And that was the 548 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: run that really sealed their fate. Yeah, there was two 549 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: runs DJ like everyone it's funny. Everyone gave Derek Carr 550 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: a lot of credit for the victory. But that last 551 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: drop was a Josh Jacob's drive. Yes, Derek Carr made 552 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: a critical throw to Brian Edwards on the sideline, but 553 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs had two big runs. He had a big run, 554 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: even had a big block. Yeah, that flipped the field 555 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: because it was like a twenty maybe twenty yard run. 556 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: They got him around midfield, which gave the Raiders breathing 557 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: because you gotta remember they're leaking oil badly on defense. 558 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Like it is a situation where I'm like, if they 559 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: punish a rap, if they punted the ball back to 560 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, it's game over because he's hot. The defense 561 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: is trying to figure it out. Um and those things. 562 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs popped a couple of different runs than that 563 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: tenure are going to put him in field goal range? 564 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: Did it? I think what was apparent to me from 565 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: a scouting perspective or team building your defensive line, you 566 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: have to have dudes on the defensive line so you 567 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: can rush for That was appearing the entire game. The 568 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: way both teams elected the op for coverage as a 569 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: pole was too pressure. The Raiders played Gus Bradley's regular 570 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: three deep man to man system where it just alternated 571 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: between man and man and their three deep zone and 572 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: they just let Max Scrobby Crosby and Yannick and got 573 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: Way and those guys are front game stunts. There was 574 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: a four man rush all game. On occasion they did 575 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: a five man pressure, but that's it. Then they locked 576 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: up and play covered the same thing on the back 577 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: end with the raiders double teaming and trying to figure 578 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: out how they wanted to take away Waller and rent 579 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: from and so you better have pass rushers in place 580 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: to be able to get it done. And then DJ 581 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: talked about it earlier. Yeah, man, it's it's a big 582 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: man game. I want corners that are over six ft tall. 583 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: I want corners that can match up and lock up 584 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: and do some of those things. They can fill against 585 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: the run, to be honest, because they're gonna make They're 586 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna make those guys tackle that. You're gonna make them 587 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: tackle and that and this is the other thing. And look, 588 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I have a contentious relationship with the nerves, even though 589 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: I do believe in analytics and those things. But there's 590 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: certain things in the game that we cannot throw away. 591 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: As we get into the stretch and we get to 592 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: winning time, the running game matters. And for a large 593 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: part of the season, people were content to send two 594 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: high looks and just let people have the slow death right, 595 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: let him run it or whatever. But when it comes 596 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: to games and control, you have to be able to 597 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: turn to stick it off at times. You've gotta be 598 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: able to stop the run and make people throw the 599 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: ball and if you don't pay attention to your run defense, 600 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: it costs you, particularly down when we're getting closer to 601 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: the tournament, when it becomes more of a complimentary game 602 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: and time of possession and all that other stuff really 603 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: matters and wins who loses, all right, So let's get 604 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: to the end of game sequence. Um, And first we'll 605 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: just say, look that the nineteen play drive that started 606 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: just north of the two minute warning, that featured nineteen 607 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: throws and three fourth and long conversions by Justin Herbert 608 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: and this Chargers offense was insane. And then you had 609 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: the gotta have it throw to Mike Williams in between 610 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: two defenders for the touchdowns. Yet somewhat surprised that Staleley 611 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: didn't then go for to the two point conversion, considering 612 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: what we saw in his own eighteen yard line earlier 613 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: in the third quarter, the two pointers that would have 614 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: would have won it and saved overtime. But knowing that 615 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: a tie got him in overtime, you have to kick it, right, Yeah, yeah, 616 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: obviously to kick it, we all understand it. And then 617 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the tie, as you know, would have gotten both teams 618 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: into the postseason, which is what we thought we were 619 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: barreling towards Oh, here we go, breaking news. Dave Gettleman 620 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: has announced his retirement from the New York Giants. Again, 621 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: that was a move we thought we thought might happen there. 622 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: So we do have a new football personnel executive coming 623 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: to the New York Giants. All right, let's get back 624 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: to this game, though. So you're in overtime, both teams 625 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: kick a field goal, Raiders get the ball back here 626 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: knowing that the next score of any type wins the game. 627 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: A tie would get both teams into the playoffs and 628 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: send the Steelers out of the playoffs. By the way, DJ, 629 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: you didn't get to see it because you were in 630 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: the booth, but there were Steelers fans in the crowd 631 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: really that we're being shown like this at the end 632 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: of the game, literally beside themselves, understanding that a tie 633 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: would have kicked the Steelers out of the postseason. Okay, 634 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: so you have the Raiders kind of marching down the field, Bucky, 635 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: as you mentioned with Josh Jacobs in the run game, 636 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: eating up the Chargers defense, which look we've seen for 637 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: much of this season, right, and then it just felt 638 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: like both teams were kind of just marching towards a tie. 639 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: Here there wasn't any real urgency, and then with thirty 640 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: eight seconds left, Brandon Staley calls the time out, not 641 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: because he wanted to get the ball back, as he 642 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: said after the game, but because he wanted to make sure, 643 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: knowing that on third and four the Raiders were going 644 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 1: to run the football, that he had his best, his 645 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: premier run defense outfit for that personnel grouping on the field. 646 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't have as much of an issue with 647 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: the time out as I do like the end result 648 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: based on the logic, like if that was your best 649 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: and you gave up the ten yards and didn't play, 650 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: they didn't sell out. They didn't sell out either, Like 651 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't get it. That part I don't get because 652 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that the thirty the time out with 653 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight seconds was like forced rich Bessaccia to change 654 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: his thinking and be like, oh, okay, well now we're 655 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: gonna kick the field goal. No, they changed their thinking 656 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: because they got ten yards run. And so why I 657 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: didn't understand because I didn't know. I'm not watching the game, 658 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: so I know obviously was talking about in the broadcast, 659 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: and then it was talked about after the game about 660 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, the time out, the time out, the time out. Look, 661 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: it's not like they ran they called the time out 662 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: and said, oh, let's put together the fanciest run play 663 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: that anybody's ever seen, and now we're really gonna get 664 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: is this straight ahead run. There was nothing to it. 665 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: They had a little row emotionally in the way. They 666 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: were heavy right, and they ran left, and they didn't 667 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: fill it properly, and you had a bad situation for 668 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: the charges. They didn't get off the field. They needed 669 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: to stop the run. They didn't stop the run. I 670 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: was saying during the broadcast, guys, the exact opposite of 671 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I thought he should have burned. He should have used 672 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: his time out as early as possible at that in 673 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: that last sequence, because here you are your third and 674 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: four right, the one thing and there so that would 675 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: have been a what they were at the thirty eight 676 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: yard line, So that is fifty five yard field goals 677 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: like field goals. So here here's what I've so here's 678 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: my thing. No, no, but here's the thing. If you 679 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: let the clock run all the way down and now 680 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: there's two seconds, the raiders can say, you know what, 681 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: trot out there, will kick the fifty five yard field goal, 682 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: he makes it, we win, he misses it. At the 683 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: game's over, no matter what the game is. Yeah, but 684 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: but if you had, if you had fifty seconds, sixty 685 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: seconds somewhere like that left on the clock, they have 686 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: to pun it. You know, there's no chance on God's 687 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: green earth they're gonna attempt to field goal. That that 688 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: ends the game for you. Your thing you just had 689 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: to eliminate. You had to eliminate the field goal opportunity. 690 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: And so to me, I didn't. They kind of went 691 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: in between. It was like, you let it go all 692 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: the way down to thirty eight seconds and then you 693 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: call it time out. Um. You know, I didn't. I 694 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: didn't get that. I thought you forced their hand that 695 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: they can't kick, because I didn't want to be in 696 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: a situation where they can sit here with three seconds 697 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: left and go we can we can kick it or not, 698 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: you know. And at that point in time, we have 699 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: no penalty for us kicking and attempting a field goal. 700 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: There's none. The game's over, um, And so that that 701 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So I think there are a couple of 702 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: different things, right. So I think when you're rich Pisaccia. 703 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: From a coaching standpoint, what you're doing is after the 704 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: two field goes and overtime. I can't remember how much 705 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: time was left when the draft started. Uh, it might 706 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: have been looked like right around three three thirty somewhere 707 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: in there. The one thing that you're thinking about is, okay, 708 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: everyone first down. Yeah, everyone knows that. Okay, we we 709 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: can't we can't lose the game. We just can't lose 710 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: the game because that eliminates so we so we need 711 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: to get the ball out from our own end so 712 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: we don't have a punt, and then Justin Herbert can't 713 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: bring it back. So it's a mix of the Raiders 714 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: playing offense while playing defense. Man, they surprised everybody when 715 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: they first down, they take a shot and they get 716 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: they moved the ball down the field. Then they have 717 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: a big run. I was like, okay, so now they 718 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: a midfield. So now what you're trying to do is like, Okay, 719 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: how aggressive do we want to be if we throw 720 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: it and have an interception. They're not gonna throw Yeah, 721 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: you know they're not going to throw the ball. So 722 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: so so then you're like, okay, run it, run it, 723 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: and so at this point, I'm like they're kind of 724 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: taking the collective breath, because when the Charges didn't use 725 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: their time out early, they're like, Okay, it's almost like 726 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: coaching the game at the first half. You're trying to 727 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: see how the opponent's gonna play it out, Like if 728 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: they don't take a time out, eight guys would just 729 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: running out ticket to half. And I felt like we 730 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: were at that point where they were like, oh, they're 731 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: not taking the time out, cool because they had two 732 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: of them. And so then though, when he uses the 733 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: time out and he has another one in his bag. 734 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: So now besides, she's trying to figure out like, look, 735 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: if we don't if we don't get the first down, 736 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: we have to either punt it back. Yeah, I think 737 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: they punt. I think they hunt. And so the reason 738 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: why I believe they ran it is because they're like, look, 739 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to give him an incomplete and now 740 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: it's fourth and four. I give it back to Herbert 741 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: with the time out, he can maybe connect on the pass, 742 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: call the time out for another pass because we've seen it, 743 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: and then they kick along field goal. So you try 744 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: not to mess up the game. And by taking the 745 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: time I actually believe Staley did a disservice because now 746 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: I've flipped the thinking. But then when you give up 747 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: the ten yard play, they're like, well, that's the whole thing. 748 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: I mean, we can debate that the face. You gotta 749 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: you gotta stay. You can't give up a ten yard 750 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: run when everybody in the stadium knows you're running the football. 751 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: You can't give up ten yards. You can't. Just can't 752 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: do it, because that was the only hand couldn't happen. 753 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: Like I was thinking, the reason why I didn't think 754 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: they could pass because of incomplete there's no way you 755 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: can kick a fifty seven yard field. Go no, because 756 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna block the kick. It's gonna come 757 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: out low. They're gonna scoop and score. It's gonna be 758 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: the kick six, and we're gonna lose the game if 759 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: I punt it and it nestles down into ten yard line. 760 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: There's not enough time. There's not enough time on the 761 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: clock for just to heard it to make a play. 762 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of time, I know we don't we're running out 763 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: of time. But to me, that was not as egregious 764 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: as going forward on your own eight team at that 765 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: point in time in the game against an offense that 766 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: has done nothing. The Raiders offense had only scored points 767 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: courtesy of a turnover on a punt and a penalty. 768 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: A kind of a bad call in my opinion, on 769 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: a on a passive inference where you have somebody running 770 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: a post and he throws a corner and twenty yards 771 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: away from them and you got a past interference call. 772 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, that's the only offense the Raiders had in 773 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: the first half, and you just gave them three points 774 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: Like that to me was that was and points and 775 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: points are at a premium. And I'll say this, DJ, 776 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: I can't it sounds like the Raiders have left so 777 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: many points on the field. Yeah, when you have an 778 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: opportunity in those games, those elimination games, if you have 779 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity to put points on the board, you gotta 780 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: keep putting points on the board. You need space and 781 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: separation to prevent those things from happening. And when they 782 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: didn't load it up, I was just like, man like, 783 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: don't give him the ball. That's twenty Like, don't give 784 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: just don't give them three points. Make for turn the points. 785 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's hard, but I'll say this because we 786 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: have to get off the topic. A couple of years ago, 787 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: when the Falcons lost the Super Bowl three uh in 788 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: the off season, I had opportunity to um bump into 789 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: DeVante Freeman and Justin Hardy at a football camp, and 790 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: at that camp, they're like, man, it's so hard. It's 791 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: gonna be so hard for us to pour it all 792 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: in again. When we're there three, we have the chance, 793 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: we have the ball, we're about to kick the field goal. 794 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: They were like, it's just we did everything. We did 795 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: Navy Seals training, we did all this or whatever, and 796 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: so the hardest thing, and we started with the Seahawks 797 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: when they threw the past and it was intercepted. The 798 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: hardest thing will be for Brandon Staley to put Humpty 799 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: Dumpty back together again, because the defensive players can say like, hey, 800 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: we understood it or whatever, but you can't tell me 801 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: that some of those offensive guys are not. Like wait 802 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: a minute, Like, well, you saw us in that clips 803 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: reaction after the game talking to a Raiders player. You 804 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: saw her Bert saying he was rooting for a tie 805 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: harder than he ever has in his entire life and 806 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: all that. But look, it was a heck of a game. 807 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: The Raiders earned the opportunity that I think we can 808 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: all agree um, and now they're gonna get into the 809 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: postseason and take on the Cincinnati Bengals. The forty Niners 810 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: also use overtime to punch their tickets to the postseason 811 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: and a fantastic game here at so FI Stadium beating 812 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: the Rams. Rams are still in his NFC webs again, 813 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh needs to stay out the ends. I'm celebrating 814 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: with you. I got a lot of running man. You 815 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: can't you can't. You can't. You can't do that, like 816 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: like it's cool, like that's that's high school type stuff 817 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. You can't be in the ends. I'll celebrating 818 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: like pros. You can't do that, And I understand you 819 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: get excited, was fired up. Yeah, those things kind of 820 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: come back, come back. I think somebody, I think I 821 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: think somebody on social media had tweeted out that uh 822 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: Shanahan after the game should just go straight shug night. 823 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: You're real producing video wrapping up. Okay, you come to 824 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: death row get it. You just can't do some of that. 825 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: And for the first time, guys in NFL history, a 826 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: team clenches a playoff berth on uh in two separate overtimes, 827 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Steelers getting past the Baltimore Ravens or 828 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: rather in uh in a in the last second fashion, 829 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: and then obviously using the Raiders win. So there you go. 830 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: Full playoff picture, full breakdowns of the postseason coming up 831 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: throughout the week. Here and moved the stakes. We will 832 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: give you our most intriguing playoff matchups right after this 833 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: quick break as well as they look at the top 834 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: ten draft order. It's now set, guys. Let's take a 835 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: look here at the top ten draft order. First eighteen 836 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: picks are set. Now that the playoff field is also set. 837 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: But the top ten features the Jaguars at the top. 838 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: Back to back seasons here, Bucky, And then how about 839 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: the New York Football establishment here outside of the Buffalo Bills, Jets, 840 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: and Giants. With two picks up, he's each in the 841 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: top ten, Bucky. Let's start with the Jags here real 842 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,479 Speaker 1: quick with the back to back number one. Yeah. Look, 843 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: it's it's funny because it was a bonus. It was 844 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: a win win for them. Um. Normally, when you win 845 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: a game like they did at the end, you end 846 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: up losing the lottery ticket to get the number one 847 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: pick and those things, and so they were able to 848 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: win the lines one so that enable the Jaguars to 849 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: retain the number one pick. And so now you have 850 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: to figure out, as we talked about in the classic 851 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: team building fashion, what are the marquee players that you 852 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: typically take number one is quarterback, pass rusher, and so 853 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Those are the things. And so now you 854 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: have to look at the draft class and see where 855 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: do they want to go. Do they want to take 856 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: one of the two pass rushers, do they want to 857 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: take the top offensive tackle? How do they want to 858 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: go about building the franchise? That will be the debate 859 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: for them going forward. And then DJ just to look 860 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: at the opportunity for the Jets and Giants here with 861 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: with two first rounders in the top two, no doubt, 862 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: the Giants sitting here picking five and seven, the Jets 863 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: sitting here at four and ten. Um, I think you 864 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: know the good thing for the Jet says I think 865 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: they feel good about Zack Wilson going forward. Now it's 866 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: about trying to get him some more help. I think 867 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: you look offensive line, I think on that defense, looking 868 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: on the defensive I think it's a big guy draft 869 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: for them. I think the Giant needs some difference makers. Um, 870 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: they need some athletes and some real difference makers on 871 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: the perimeter. Um, we'll see what they end up doing. Uh. 872 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: Their new GM gonna be making those picks. Dave Gettleman 873 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: no longer there so intrigue in the Big Apple with 874 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: those two teams in the top ten this year, yep, 875 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: no question. Uh. And look, guys, five of the six 876 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: matchups on Super wild Card weekend are going to be rematches. 877 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm telling you just for my money, Uh, I cannot 878 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: wait to see Cowboys and Niners. Something I just feel 879 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: like that is that is the most intriguing matchup to 880 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: me out of this whole thing. Yeah, most money, right, 881 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: most pressure in Dak press got in that game? Is 882 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: the worst matchup for the Dallas Cowboys. What's our Amazon game? 883 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: What's our Amazon game? Buck? Is it? That one is? No? 884 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: You guys, we're going, Yep, there we go. We're back 885 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: on that. That is the I got musburger head after 886 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: being in Vegas. Uh, we got We're on twitch baby 887 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: jack Pot, baby jack Pot Baby Twitch TV slash moved 888 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: the sticks. There you go. Um, all right, So that's 889 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna do it. For this episode, I'll Move the Sticks, 890 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: but again deep dive into the playoff matchups coming up, 891 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: as well as any further coaching GM moves that are 892 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: made throughout the week. It's all here on Move the Sticks. 893 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: Reminder to rate, review, and ask a question in the 894 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: ratings and Reviews section of Apple Podcasts and we'll answer 895 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: it on a future podcast. Thanks so much for listening 896 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: to Move the Sticks.