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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. Hello, everybody, what's up.

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Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre here, Straight Fire. Wednesday, December ninth.

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Speaker 1: The winter season is in full swing. We went out

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Speaker 1: and saw some Christmas lights out here in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, watched the Cowboys and Ravens. Nice little cover

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Speaker 1: for the best bet. But the big story today is

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Speaker 1: what's happening later in the podcast. I had a tremendous interview,

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Speaker 1: and you know Rob g can attest to this. We've

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Speaker 1: done some pretty awesome interviews. I love the one could

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Speaker 1: last week with the comedian. We've done some other real

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Speaker 1: powerful ones that got past you know, the usual just

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Speaker 1: sports stuff. T J houshman Zata a guy I've known

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Speaker 1: now for I don't know, three or four years, working

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Speaker 1: with him at f S one and on the radio.

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Speaker 1: We had a powerful conversation and man, this guy is

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Speaker 1: super interesting. And even if you're like, oh, is that

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Speaker 1: to do with the Ponytail who was on my fantasy

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Speaker 1: team like a decade ago, Yeah, that's him. You got

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Speaker 1: to hear his story. Man, it's tremendous. The upbringing that

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Speaker 1: he overcame is pretty incredible. He's an easy guy to

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Speaker 1: root for, super cool and chill. Uh. And he talks

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Speaker 1: about claiming that he's the greatest Domino's player in America.

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Speaker 1: And you know we talked about our battles and Dominos.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to that later. Uh. Let's quickly start

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Speaker 1: the show. As always, remember subscribe, rate and review. UH

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Speaker 1: don't know yet. I will do a Christmas giveaway. I

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Speaker 1: did pick up a winner in the Best Bet. Remember

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Speaker 1: the best Bet was hot in September October. I'm just

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Speaker 1: giving away money. Um. I think we'll do one in December.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the week I get hot and

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Speaker 1: we give away some money next week. Obviously, the way

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Speaker 1: to do that is the five star review on iTunes

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Speaker 1: and the comment winners get paid in the escalade. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to the cowboys who got rolled, just drilled by

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Speaker 1: the Ravens thirty four seventeen, not really an interesting game.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore rush for two four yards. You know Gus the bus, Dobbins,

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Speaker 1: lam Are. They had three guys each have a carry

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Speaker 1: certainly looked it on the touchdown run, but that that

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Speaker 1: that passed that was picked off early gave Dallas three

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Speaker 1: three points. Um, guys Lamar Jackson just he's just not

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Speaker 1: was like, let's just run the football. Let's just make

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Speaker 1: this easy. Um. And probably the biggest story of this

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Speaker 1: game was what happened and before the game. Des Bryant

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Speaker 1: had an inconclusive COVID test earlier in the day, then

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Speaker 1: he had an and then the NFL just let him

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Speaker 1: go about the pregame warm up in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: on the field, tapping up Cowboys that he knew from

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Speaker 1: his time in Dallas. And then he takes another test

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Speaker 1: before the game and it comes out positive and they

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Speaker 1: pulled him and Des Ryan flipped out on social media

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Speaker 1: said he's retiring. Let's everybody drink some wine. And the

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Speaker 1: NFL needs to get this together. We're in week thirteen

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Speaker 1: and you're letting a guy with an inconclusive test go

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Speaker 1: From the NFL. Listen inconclusive test means Yo, chill on

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Speaker 1: the sideline, warm up by yourself, don't go talk to anybody.

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Speaker 1: NFL has got to do better than that. Um, and

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys have to do better. Now. You guys

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Speaker 1: know how I feel about the primetime games. When you're

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Speaker 1: on those island games that everybody's watching. If you perform

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Speaker 1: the common gambler is going to go out and bet

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Speaker 1: the team they just last saw, probably Baltimore. But Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night win against the Dallas Cowboys a bottom theater.

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Speaker 1: Let's wait and reserve judgment for what happens on Monday

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Speaker 1: night football. UM. I do want to say one thing

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Cleveland could be a live underdog in this.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's probably the game of the week. There's

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Speaker 1: that we put this game behind us, I just quickly

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Speaker 1: think we're on opposite sides here. Um. First of all,

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Speaker 1: that Houston under no circumstances, should try to keep James Harden.

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Speaker 1: This seems like a totally losing bet. It's only gonna

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Speaker 1: social media coming to me saying, hey, Ja, they need

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Speaker 1: to just keep him. They're not getting great players in return.

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Speaker 1: And no, no, no, that is terrible. That is an

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Speaker 1: awful idea. We've seen this blow up Anthony Davis and

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Speaker 1: the Pels last year. What a nightmare. Sorry, two years ago,

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to hear Harden has two and

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Speaker 1: the player option. He wants out. Now, Okay, the coach

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, I think what Rob and I disagree

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Speaker 1: if it's Sacramento. Now I've known Sacramento is not gonna

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Speaker 1: trade for him, but Rob is pushing the I'll let

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Speaker 1: you push your ankle, Rob go for well. First off,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should just trade him just to

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Speaker 1: trade him. I totally disagree with that. I think that

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Speaker 1: to give you some kind of value, which again I've

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Speaker 1: I've told you in text messages. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: why I've been saying for the last month the only

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Speaker 1: And the Golden State Warriors because they have James Wiseman.

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Speaker 1: now here the question becomes, you know, James Harden was

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Speaker 1: an awesome Alpha rob thirty five points a game whatever

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Speaker 1: it was, carried Houston. But the postseason meltdowns were consistent.

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Speaker 1: It was against the Spurs, it was against I know,

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Speaker 1: um and then the Laker lebron Tea ended up winning

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Speaker 1: an amazing pick for a thirty two year old who's

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Speaker 1: Why would Steph Curry want to play with James Harden?

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Speaker 1: Because if I'm Steph Curry and even before they lost

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Speaker 1: if you're Golden State and specifically Steph Curry, he I'm

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Speaker 1: James Wise is gonna be good. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry era. So if I'm Steph, you gotta strike

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Speaker 1: while the Iron Todd and I think with the roster

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Speaker 1: I would love to have James Harden. If I'm Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: the backcourt of Harden and Steph Curry probably couldn't guard

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Speaker 1: you and I in a two and two. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna go against the Lakers. Um they won't struggle

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Speaker 1: me make the case. I actually think Golden State is

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: from high school guy who dropped out of high school

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Speaker 1: becomes a star at the junior college level? Then Pops

424
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: at Oregon take us through the path of t. J.

425
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: Houshmansatta in high school? Were you a star receiver? And uh?

426
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: And what what did that ended up happening? Well? In

427
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: high school, I was a running back. I played I

428
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: played running back in high school. Um, I was not

429
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: a star. Even though I thought I was a star.

430
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: I thought I was the best guy on the team,

431
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure the coaches thought I was. UM.

432
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: I had a pretty good year. We went undefeated my

433
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Speaker 1: last year. I only played one year of football in

434
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Speaker 1: my life and that was my last year in high school. Um,

435
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: but we went undefeated. We were one of the better

436
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: teams in the state of California. But you know, I

437
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: played high school football in Barstow and did not go

438
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: to school. I missed my entire sophomore year, part of

439
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: my junior year, and obviously half of my senior year

440
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: because when grades came out, I was in eligible. I

441
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: was on a basketball team. So if I couldn't play sports,

442
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: why am I going to school? That was my mentality,

443
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: and so I just dropped out. I was I was

444
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: just in the streets too much hustling and um too

445
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: tired to get up for school. I went to school

446
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: every day, Jason. It was just fifth period after lunch,

447
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: so ye period. So no, Lie, this is a true story.

448
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: My senior year I had a A in history because

449
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: that was fifth period, and then I got an A

450
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: in football because that was sixth period, and that was it.

451
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: Everything else was f because I wasn't going to school.

452
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: So what how did your parents take that? Well, I've

453
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: never I've never met my dad. It was my mom.

454
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: And like I said, to be honest with you, Jason,

455
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: from the time I was thirteen years old, I kind

456
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: of was doing whatever I wanted to do. So I

457
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: came in when I wanted to come in, I left

458
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: when I wanted to leave. I was basically a thirteen

459
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: year old. Uh, thinking I was a grown man. I

460
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: was just Uh, I was in a streets hustling. Wow.

461
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: You know Antonio Brown had a similar situation. I'm sure

462
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: you've read it about him. Uh, and his dad was

463
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: like an Arena League football player and he was traveling

464
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: a lot. In Antonio Brown had the run of the

465
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: place and he was never able to, you know, totally

466
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: turn it around and get right. Obviously was great on

467
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: the field, but I mean, how did you At what

468
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: point did you say, oh, man, you know, I gotta

469
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: trap up if I want to become a football player here.

470
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it was well, I do know,

471
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: but to get to that point, like my best friend,

472
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: he's still my best friend to this day. Um. He

473
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: grew up with his mother and his father. Um, I

474
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: was always at their house a lot. He was highly recruited. Um,

475
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: they're not past the s A T. So he had

476
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Speaker 1: to go to junior college. You know how they do

477
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: you back then, and it's the former systemic racism back then.

478
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: But we didn't realize that that, you know, the inner

479
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: city kids, that we're not well equipped for the testing

480
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: again in the college and you don't really but that's

481
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: another story. So he went JUCO. He came down to

482
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: three doos and I just followed him. We were together

483
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: every day and I'm like, damn, he's leaving. I'm pretty

484
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: much at his house all the time because I grew

485
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: up in the slums. We're on Section eight. People getting

486
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: shot and killed in our house. We get kicked out,

487
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: moved to another house. Dice game, somebody else gets shot

488
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: and killed, we get kicked out. Um, so that's how

489
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: I grew up. And again he had mom and dad

490
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: in the house, both works. So I started staying at

491
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: this house my last year in high school a lot.

492
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: He went Juco and I followed him because he was

493
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: my partner, that was my dog, and he was a

494
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: starting receiver. He broke his foot a couple of weeks

495
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: before the first game. The backup receiver got arrested. I

496
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: was third team and then no, Lie, this is a

497
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: true story. First play of the season. I bombed somebody

498
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: for like SEVENI yard touchdown, first play, first player of

499
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: the game, first play of the season, and I think

500
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: the coaches were like, oh. And the crazy thing is

501
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: the coaches didn't even want me to come. They try

502
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: to send me back home because, um, I started growing

503
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: my hair out. I didn't have nobody to cut my hair.

504
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: So at the time, I had hair like you, and

505
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: I started growing a ponty I started growing a pontytail.

506
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: And this is a springtime. So my eyes were always watery,

507
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: and the coaches thought I was always hot. And I'm like, Jason,

508
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: to this day, I've never smoked anything to day in

509
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: my life. I've never smoked weed. I've never smoked a cigarette.

510
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: I've never smoked a cigar. Who could whatever you want.

511
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: I've never smoked anything to day in my life. But

512
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: they thought I was high every day, so they wanted

513
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to send me home. And I'm like, I don't even smoke.

514
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: The whole team smokes but me. But y'all think I smoked.

515
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: And luckily it worked out. But after my first year,

516
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: my junior college coach was like, I think you're gonna

517
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: get a scholarship to any school you want to go to.

518
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: You might want to take this series, go get your

519
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: g D. So after my first year at Juico, I

520
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: went and got my g D. And uh, yeah, that's

521
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: when I started to take serious. So let me just

522
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: this smooking thing. Um, how did you growing up in

523
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: a rough area avoid that when it was all around

524
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: you all the time. Because my mom was a crackhead

525
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: and they drunk all the time, and seeing people get

526
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: shot and killed in your house and it was from

527
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: drugs and drinking. And I'm like, I would never do this.

528
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I sold weed. I've never

529
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: tried it. All the majority of guys I played with

530
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: on the collegiate level, college level growing up, my buddies,

531
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: they all smoked. Everybody knows t J don't smoke. They

532
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: know it. And so I think it was just seeing

533
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: affect it had on family members and friends, mothers and

534
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: fathers that I would just I would never do a draw.

535
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: I've never done a drug in my life ever. And

536
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't pay me to do a drug. And it's

537
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: because of what I the effect that I saw that

538
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: it had on my family. Because when my mother was clean,

539
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: lived a good life, um well, relatively a good life.

540
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, our lights weren't cut off, our water wasn't

541
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: turned off. That type. That's a good life for me.

542
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: And then when she would fall back, then we we

543
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: got kerosene lamps in the house, we got candles in

544
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the house, and um one box of Mcaroni for me

545
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and my both of my brothers. We got to share that,

546
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: and so I saw what it did and I was like,

547
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: I would never ever ever do a drug and that

548
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: and that's it's just stuck with me. Yeah. I remember

549
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you telling me, I think it fs one one day,

550
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: how you would you were buying houses for relatives. This

551
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: is in recent years, and it was it just sounded

552
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: like you were so proud and like happy that everybody

553
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: was on the right path now and you know, obviously

554
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: your success has greatly helped the family, right Yeah. I

555
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't say houses plural uh um, but I

556
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: have bought homes for the people in my family and

557
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: still I mean, they don't. I can't. I can't force

558
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: somebody to be what I want them to be. I

559
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: can try to help him. And if you show me

560
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: that you're willing to meet me, and you don't even

561
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: have to meet me halfway, just show me that you're

562
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: willing to want a better life for yourself and your children,

563
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: then I will help you get that. But if you

564
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: show me that you're not, then it is what it is.

565
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mortgage my future and my kids future

566
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: trying to help my family when y'all don't want help.

567
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Y'all want me to give you everything. And so yeah,

568
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: I bought them homes and they still live in them.

569
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Run them down. They don't. They don't. My family we

570
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: come from nothing, and so they don't know. They don't

571
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: appreciate nice things because we've never had nice things. And

572
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: so I'm sure people see my family and be like,

573
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: how is he letting them live like this? And he

574
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: lives like that? But if they only knew they want

575
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: to live like this, or they want me to continue

576
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: to give them everything. And I'm not gonna give you

577
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: everything because I have a family and kids of my

578
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: own that I want to give them a good start

579
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: in life like I wish somebody had given me. Yeah,

580
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: and your daughter now at l s U, you've done

581
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: well for yourself. Man. My dad has a saying you

582
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: can lead a horse to water, but you can't make

583
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: him drink. Man, I never lie. Your daddy is right

584
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: on with that one. Yeah, he'll he listened, so he'll

585
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: be happy that I brought that up. All right? Uh So, anyway,

586
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: so let's fast forward. You get to Oregon State Corvallis. Man,

587
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I've never been up there. What what the hell is Corvallis? Like?

588
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Had you ever been in that area before you know,

589
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: they started recruiting you. No, never, it was I had

590
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: never been to Corvallis, Oregon. Um, I'll be honest with you.

591
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: The first time I got to Corvallis, it was brutal. Man.

592
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: I count brain for thirty three days in a row,

593
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: thirty three days in a row, and I was like,

594
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: oh my God, like what am I doing here? Um?

595
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: It was bad because it just I wasn't used to

596
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: the rain. I'm a California kid braining so much. And

597
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: when I was there, we didn't have an indoor facility,

598
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: so we were conditioning outside and it was bad. Um,

599
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: but it built us up. Man. You know again, I

600
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: wasn't used to anything like that. But and uh, it

601
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: was a fun time. I'm not gonna lie once I

602
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: got to college though. Again, like I wasn't a got

603
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: that smoked. I wasn't a guy that drank. And so

604
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: for me, it was all football all the time. That

605
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: was good for me because I knew I was gonna

606
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: eat every day good, I was gonna eat well. Um,

607
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna have the resources that if I if

608
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I used them and I applied them, that I had

609
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: a chance. And that's what I did. So you get

610
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: to Oregon State. Dennis Ericsson was the coach, and uh,

611
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't read the backstory of how the

612
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: hell he assembled this team, but it was basically the

613
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: greatest team in the history of the the program. You

614
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: guys want to live it in one you murdered Notre

615
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Dame in a bullgame. UM, and of course you know

616
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: you had monster seasons there, you and Chad Johnson. So

617
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: you guys go back to Oregon State, like, did you

618
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: know that team was that loaded back then? I did not.

619
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: But what I did know is so when I took

620
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: my recruiting trip, I was a junior college All American.

621
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: I was in the number one ranked player in the

622
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: country in JUCO. But there were a lot of guys

623
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: that I played against in junior college that were very there,

624
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: ranked very high. They were all All Americans, and we

625
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: all kind of made a pack. We're all on the

626
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: same recruiting trip, like, man, let's come to Oregon State

627
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: because you know, we all California boys, and let's beat

628
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: up on that scat. That was the saying, UM, because

629
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the majority of us probably wanted to go to FC

630
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: and some could have, and we decided not to, and

631
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: so we came in with I want to say, I

632
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: was like fifteen JUCO kids and ten of us were

633
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: all Americans and so and the ones that didn't come

634
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: to Oregon State they went to Arizona State. They played

635
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: in the league. It was that was a good year

636
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: of JUCO kids and coach Ericson he just got the

637
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: right mix of guys that fielding spots that were needed

638
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: and we took off. So how school running back Juco

639
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: touchdown on the first play of the season and then

640
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: blowing up at Oregon State and then I guess at

641
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: that point it started to hit you like, oh, I

642
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: can make some real money in the NFL. I can

643
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, I I you know what happened though.

644
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: When I was at junior college, we used to go

645
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: one on ones with the dbs from U C, l A,

646
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: and USC and I'm watching these guys on TV, but

647
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: in workouts they can't cover me. And so that gave me.

648
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: That gave me confidence. Um. But yes, once that senior

649
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: at Oregon State, when we started to do well, I

650
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: believe everyone on the team and not just myself. Um,

651
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: we all thought we had a legitimate chance of playing

652
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: in the League, and luckily I was one of the

653
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: ones that got a chance and got that opportunity. Um,

654
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: got with the right team to give me that opportunity

655
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: and was able to carve something and make something out

656
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: of myself. Is it weird that you ended up with

657
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson in Cincinnati? Or I mean, by the way,

658
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: you guys still boys assume you're yeah a dog. Yeah. Um,

659
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: And you guys are pretty damn good at with the Bengals. Um.

660
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: You know Carson Palmer the quarterback. Uh, you guys had

661
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: some good runs in the NFL. Right, Yeah, we underachieved

662
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: When I look back on it, man, we truly we underachieved.

663
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: We had a fantastic offensive line, a fantastic quarterback, great

664
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: running game, we could throw the ball. Defense was probably

665
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: middle of the pack. If we did have a weakness

666
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: of our teams, it was defensively. Um, but we just underachieved.

667
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: And once I retired and I started watching guys like

668
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: you more on TV, and then I started to understand

669
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: how organizations work and what makes them tick and not tick.

670
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: I see why we underachieved. Um, But at the time,

671
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking like, dude, we got all this talent, why

672
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: are we not winning, UM, but you don't really understand.

673
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: You just think we got the players, we're gonna win

674
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: so much more that goes into that that starts at

675
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: the top and being out of it. Now I see

676
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: it and I'm saying like, man, if we could have

677
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: done this, this and this is different, we would have won.

678
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: But you don't realize that, UM, when you're playing. Because

679
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: we true we left so much meat on the bone.

680
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: We underachieved to the point where it was like, wow,

681
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: we we had a very talented team. UM. I truly

682
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: believe we should have won a super Bowl and we

683
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't even want to playoff games. Oh Jeesuss, gotta pay you. UM.

684
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: I noticed that. You know, there's a couple of young

685
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: receivers blowing up in this league, and when you look

686
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: at the fast emergence of them, the kid Jefferson with Minnesota,

687
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, just part do you think, Man, I caught

688
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: a lot of passes back in the day, But if

689
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: I have come to the league now, the way the

690
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: way these guys are getting targets, like, I know, the

691
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: league changes a little bit. UM. I don't know your

692
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: thoughts on like the receivers in um as the league

693
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: is kind of shifting towards very, very past happy You

694
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: know that's funny though. You know a lot of the

695
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: old players. Man, in my time, you wouldn't have done

696
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: none of this. That's that's what we're all supposed to

697
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: do instead of just give credit where credit is due. Man. Um,

698
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: guys are coming into the league way more skilled they've

699
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: ever been there. They're the wide receiver is the most

700
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: under coach position in football. And I'm not talking to NFL.

701
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm talking in football college. You don't learn much. They

702
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: don't have time to really teach you the little nuances

703
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: of the position. Um. But what is going on is

704
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: with the explosion of social media, guys are able to

705
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: get with coaches um outside of college and start training

706
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: at an earlier age, and the skill level has increased, UM,

707
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: so that when they get to the league, your receiver

708
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: coach in the league, there there's a handful of guys

709
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: that are gonna really teach you, maybe a handful, maybe

710
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm being generous. They'll teach you the game of football,

711
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna teach you how to be a

712
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: better receiver. You gotta learn that on your own, and

713
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: guys are learning that on their own prior to them

714
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: getting to the NFL, which increases their skill level. And

715
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing. Guys are just way more skill. Yeah,

716
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the rules are different. You can't touch guys, you can't

717
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: hit guys. But even still they're still coming in a

718
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: lot more skill than they came in even when I played.

719
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: So they are like specific coaches now at with the

720
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: high school level, middle school I know you coach some

721
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: young young athletes. I mean, what's the advice to work

722
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: on to these young kids who want to be receiver

723
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: in the league number one first and foremost. And it's

724
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: easy to say, it hard to do at all times.

725
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: And you gotta have self belief. Man, And I give

726
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: a ton of analogies, Jason, I tell them when we're younger, Jason,

727
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and we go to the club. The prettiest girl in

728
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the club, she walked around. She knows she's the prettiest

729
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: girl in the club, does she not? Yeah, that's how

730
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: you gotta approach your craft that like you're the prettiest

731
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: girl in the club, Like I know every body in

732
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: here wants me. You have to approach how you feel

733
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: about your game in that manner of true, true self belief.

734
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: And self confidence, because you can have all the physical

735
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: If you don't have that self belief, it doesn't matter. Um.

736
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: But I've been training guys like I trained. I trained

737
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool, Michael Pittman, I U. T. Higgins. Those are

738
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: the guys I trained last year, and all of them

739
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: are doing well. We work. You've got to create separation,

740
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: and you work on your press releases. We work on

741
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: that until we can't get it wrong. And that is

742
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: the key to being a good receiver. Creating separation, beating

743
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: press coverage. Now you have to understand spacing, you gotta

744
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: understand distance, you gotta understand what they're trying to do,

745
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: what you want to do. So a lot goes into it.

746
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: And because of the quarantine or the pandemic that hit

747
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: in March, we were able to spend so much more

748
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: time than we've ever had. And so I was with

749
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: these guys fi day's week. Because quarantine hit, we didn't

750
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: stop training me. We're going five days a week. Normally

751
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: been off in O. T. A. S. So I was

752
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: able to spend a ton of time with him to

753
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: get them ready, what to expect, talk through certain coverages,

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: certain routes, how we run it against man two, man

755
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: cover two, cover three, quarters, cover six. So we're able

756
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: to go through so many different situations that they figured

757
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: it out. Because you can. You can physically be good,

758
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: but you gotta understand when to do it, why to

759
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: do it, how to do it versus each coverage. It's

760
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: completely different dynamic. Let me ask you about Claypool because

761
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: I gotta be on like I have him in fantasy.

762
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the guy, and I feel

763
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh underutilizes him. Like why, I don't know what

764
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, maybe it's because they have an

765
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches at receiver, but at some point you

766
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: gotta realize, like if you throw it up, Clickpool is

767
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna get it. And this jerking around at the gool line,

768
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: uh t J. I don't know if you agree, but

769
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I think Clickpool's underutilized in that offense, under utilizing He's

770
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the best receipt r on that team. Let's just call

771
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: it what it is. They do underutilize them. And this

772
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: is a crazy thing about Claypool. We were training. I

773
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: got text messages from that. I sent two guys that

774
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: work in the NFL front office. I sent these text

775
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: messages and I have proof of it. Chake, I said,

776
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool is a monster. He will be unstoppable in

777
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the league. Take my word for it. One guy sent

778
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: me back the message and said, I'm not sure that

779
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: t J. Can you say what team? You don't have

780
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: to say the name? What team? I can't tell you

781
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: that because they drafted a receiver. Oh do wait? Did

782
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: at least tell me the division? I'm not gonna stupor

783
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: they I'll just tell I don't know. I won't tell

784
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: you the division because you'll figure it out there in

785
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: the a f C. And they're in the a f

786
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: C and they played in cold weather. That's it. Okay.

787
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: I'll just say this. The Jets had an option to

788
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: draft Claypool. And I'm yelling about this for weeks because

789
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Notre Dame. My buddy played

790
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: soccer there. I watch a lot of him and Sam

791
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Donald trained together. They worked out together during the pandemic

792
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: because of what was going on. Jordan Palmer trained them,

793
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: so they were out there with him DA. I were

794
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: up at I think, and they said we're gonna trade

795
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: back at another pick, and I think Claypool wont nine

796
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: and the Jet draft of Mims and I'm just sitting

797
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: there yelling like Jason, I said, this kid is gonna

798
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: be unstoppable, and literally I have people. So every time

799
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool balls out right, I send him a message.

800
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: All I say is Chase Claypool. They send me back

801
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: the finger because I tried. I tried it. I told

802
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: him the same thing about Michael Pittman. I said, Michael

803
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Pittman is gonna play twelve years in the league. You

804
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: can mark it down. He'll play twelve years in NFL.

805
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: Same thing with te Higgins, Brandon I Yuk is probably

806
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: the most talented from an overall. He's a free collateral vertical.

807
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: But they were all really good. But Claypool was a

808
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: guy that because of his size and his speed, I

809
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: was like, dude, you can't cover this guy. And I

810
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: got text messages to prove it that I said out

811
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: before the draft. So it makes me feel good. Humor

812
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: me as a as a weekend warrior guy who likes

813
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: to work out. You know, I talk a lot of

814
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: ship about playing basketball and stuff. Um, what's what's the

815
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: workout like? Is it is? What do you workout with them?

816
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: Like three hours long. Is it all football? No? Um.

817
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: So depending on when they work out with me, they've

818
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: already they've done a speed so they're getting ready for

819
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the combine and the pro days. So some days they've

820
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: already done a speed workout or a weight room and

821
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: a speed workout, So that day for us is light

822
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: because I don't want to kill their legs and have

823
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: them sore and tired for the next day. So when

824
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: they have an easy day in the weight room and

825
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: on the track running, that's when I go hard. And

826
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: when they have a hard dance when I go easy.

827
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: But again, we just do drills, getting out the top

828
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: of our routes. Um. Then certain days will work releases.

829
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: I'll teach them three four different ways to do things,

830
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: and I tell them all the time, one of these

831
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: ways are gonna work for you. You'll figure it out,

832
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: and I'll figure it out as well. But if I

833
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: say this way it works for you and it does not,

834
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: and you feel it doesn't, we're gonna find another way.

835
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Don't take my word for it, because I'm not the

836
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: one out there playing. And so I give them four

837
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: or five different ways to do things. They figure out

838
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: which way it works. We perfected. Everybody knows t j

839
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Hodgeman Zada now has a radio show. He's transitioning. Are

840
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: you guys following this career Arc? I mean, what a

841
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: life NFL star receiver one at college, now he's training

842
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: pros and he's a radio guy. I want to ask,

843
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: how has the transition been for you to media here

844
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: in the last few years doing FS one stuff and

845
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Speaker 1: now a radio show at Fox Sports Radio with LaVar Arrington,

846
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: another good dude and Plexico Burrs, who I don't know

847
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: as well. I truly I enjoy it, um, honestly, I

848
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: wish I could do it more. To be honest with you, Um,

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Speaker 1: I like to talk, Jason. I think you sent um.

850
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Speaker 1: I love. So that's the thing about me is I

851
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: don't watch anything but sports unless my wife forces me

852
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: to watch a TV show. Word um, and so that's

853
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: all I do, man, is I watch sports, and it's

854
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Speaker 1: every sport except for hockey, and I'll watch the hockey

855
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: when he gets to the playoffs. I watched every single sport.

856
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm a huge basketball fan. I love football, I love boxing,

857
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: I love baseball like I love every sport. And so

858
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: you come to my house. That's all I'm watching whatever

859
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: is on TV that's sports wise, I'm going to watch it.

860
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Speaker 1: And so I read a ton on sports, every sport

861
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Speaker 1: that I just saime, I read on it every day.

862
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Speaker 1: And so, UM, I thought being in the media when

863
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Speaker 1: I retired would be easy and I would just transition.

864
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Speaker 1: But boy was I wrong. It was not easy and

865
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Speaker 1: it was not an easy transition. UM. Hopefully I can

866
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Speaker 1: do this as long as I as long as they

867
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Speaker 1: let me. UM. But I truly enjoyed I really do.

868
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Speaker 1: You know. You listen, You've been out there with athletes.

869
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: You know there's some guys who don't put in anytime,

870
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Speaker 1: don't put in any work, and they just roll up

871
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: and they think they can do it, and they think

872
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: because they were an awesome athlete that automatically they're great

873
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: on TV. I mean, t J, you and I both

874
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: know that ain't true for a lot of these guys.

875
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: It's just and you it's a fine line of being

876
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Speaker 1: a guy on TV that played giving your opinion and

877
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: or stats. As athletes, we're on TV because they want

878
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: our opinion because of our experiences of plane. But sometimes

879
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: you do have to give them some factual statements to

880
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: back up what you're saying, it can't just be your opinion.

881
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: So that's where some guys far wrong that they just

882
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: always opinionated or they're always factual. With stats, it has

883
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of both. Um. For me,

884
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: there's only one word that I like to use, um.

885
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: And if you use if you're if you stay committed

886
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: to this word, I think you would have success is authenticity.

887
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: And if you can be authentic, UM, you'll be fine.

888
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: And imagine the you know, the former athletes have to

889
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: have some stats. Imagine me a guy, non former athlete

890
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: who's got to get up there and you know, go

891
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: toe to toe if you have if you will with

892
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: some of these guys who have played, and I'll never

893
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: forget t J. I don't know if you ever met

894
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: Chris Carter at FS one, but like he's tough, you

895
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: know he he will immediately challenge you to see if

896
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: you got it do you how bad do you want?

897
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: And he pushed back hard on me. And I'm not

898
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: a guy that's ever going to back down from anybody.

899
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: And I pushed back and I came off. And you know,

900
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: one guy who we both know we're not going to

901
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: talk about it was like you can't do that. Jay

902
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: and everyone else was like that was good as tv J,

903
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: that was good, Like that's authentic. You're not pushing back,

904
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: you're backed up an arm with stats and Chris Carter's

905
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: got his stuff. And Chris Carter is good. We know

906
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: he's been at every network. Um, but you there's a

907
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: fine line between arguing right and having a healthy debate.

908
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: Would you would you agree with that? Yes? But one

909
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: thing about me, man is, um send me that clip

910
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: to with you and Chris Marter. I don't think I

911
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: would do that because I'm not want to try to

912
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: make you prove to me you know what you're doing,

913
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: thank you. That's not my position. It's the people that

914
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: hired you that you've proven to them you deserve to

915
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: be where you're at. So why am I going to

916
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: now in turn make you prove it to me? And

917
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: so I probably I know for a fact I wouldn't

918
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Speaker 1: have done that. But Chris Carter, he's his own man Um.

919
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: But when you guys getting this position, you guys know

920
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: what the funk you're doing, you kind of have to. Yeah,

921
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: but listen, what blood Chris Carter for doing that? Because

922
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: it challenged me if I had shrunk and been some

923
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: big woos like this guy's not built for it, he's

924
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: not ready. But let's be honest. When you got home,

925
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure you thought, like the funk was that about?

926
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: You know? I mean you, I wouldn't have done it. Um,

927
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Speaker 1: But that's me. I'm I think I'm a nice person

928
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: more than anything. I'm an understanding person. And I think

929
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: that's better than being nice. You've got to be understanding

930
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: and how other people may may or may not feel. Um.

931
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: But again, there's a lot of athletes because they were

932
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote really good, they think they can act and

933
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: treat people in He's type of way, and that's not

934
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Speaker 1: cool at all. Here's like, it's not Yeah, I know

935
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Speaker 1: t J has a lot on the schedule. I'll get

936
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Speaker 1: you out of here on this. So this is how

937
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: you know t J. Houshmanzat is a nice guy. We're

938
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Speaker 1: at the FS one with the green room, avocado room,

939
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and and one day he tells me,

940
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing on your phone?

941
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm playing dominoes. I said, oh, I'm

942
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: good at dominoes. I start talking ship because my family

943
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: plays a lot of Dominoes, and he goes, I'll kill you.

944
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: I will take your money in Dominoes. All right, let's

945
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: go and we start playing. And you know this was

946
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: right before the pandemic unfortunately, t J. And we start

947
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: playing and he wins some and then I went on

948
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: a streak and I started jaw jacking, and then he

949
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: starts winning a bunch and I think I was down

950
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: like forty bucks, so I don't remember exactly what there

951
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe sixty bucks, and then like the pandemic hit and

952
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: and I stopped playing, like we kind of start dropped

953
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: the game. Have you been still playing Dominoes? TJ? On

954
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: the app? Jason, this is a true story, man. I

955
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: retired from the app because because I could really get

956
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: no competition. Man, Look, random people started challenging me. Right.

957
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I met this friend, he's from Texas, Um he's seen

958
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: my He he challenged me, and he was beating me initially,

959
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: and I told him, I set up. You don't got

960
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: happy Now I'm gonna play serious. I literally beating like

961
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: forty games in a row, and I retired. Like everybody

962
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: that I played on Dominoes, this goes for every single

963
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: I gotta win a record against him. I have a

964
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: losing record against nobody. I might be the best domino

965
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: player in the world. I love and like, I love

966
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: the ego. It's just like he's good. Now what was

967
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: the what would what do we play? Fives and something?

968
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: What was it? Fives and tens? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

969
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: I haven't played in a wow. I had some pro

970
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I think I stopped playing in like August this year. Yeah,

971
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: you stopped. I was betting all my buddies and I

972
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: was winning all their money and I felt bad. T

973
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: J great guy. Uh you know obviously listen to his

974
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: radio show, LaVar Arrington, Who and Plexico Burris Saturdays? Was

975
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: it ten ten am Pacific one Eastern and well Spacific

976
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: time or one to three Eastern? Up on game? You'll

977
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: go download that thing We're coming on right after Hey

978
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: gets no better, they get straight fired. Then you get

979
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: put up on game. You can't beat it. Back to

980
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: back like Jordan nineties six ninety seven. All right, bers,

981
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: you already know, like back to back, like the Warriors

982
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: and like the Lakers gonna be this year. Who, by

983
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: the way, Who's winning the Super Bowl? If I had

984
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: to take a pick right now, I gotta go with

985
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. They're the most complete team offensively

986
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: and defensively. Uh, I gotta, I gotta roll with the chief.

987
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: Impossible not to right, Who's Monzada? Enjoy it? Thanks for

988
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: the time and Duck congrats on all your success. Jason,

989
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate any time, baby, I got you. That went

990
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: by real fast.