Speaker 1: Pat you guys, what's up? Before we jump into a
Speaker 1: story that's one of the lowest moments of my musical career,
Speaker 1: A story worth telling with a message worth hearing at
Speaker 1: the end of the story, it's a happy ending, and promise.
Speaker 1: Before I get into that, I want to tell you
Speaker 1: that this is the moment, this right here today, as
Speaker 1: you watch, listen, wherever you are in the world, this
Speaker 1: is the moment for me when I say, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to tell you I have new music out right now.
Speaker 1: We just announced a brand new album that comes out
Speaker 1: September twenty fifth. It's called The Country Things, Volume one.
Speaker 1: And as a little side note, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: if it says volume one, there's probably going to be
Speaker 1: a volume two. We'll announce that later. But right now,
Speaker 1: what I'm worried about telling you is the album is announced.
Speaker 1: It comes out September twenty fifth. Two songs are out
Speaker 1: right now, two brand new songs. It's called One of
Speaker 1: them is called Country Things. The other one is called
Speaker 1: Hate You Like I Love You. I love both of
Speaker 1: these songs. I'm excited. They're both very different in their
Speaker 1: own right Country Things Is. You can't compare the two
Speaker 1: they're very different. They live in the same family, but
Speaker 1: they're very different content wise, stylistically, the same family content wise,
Speaker 1: two completely different stories. And I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: you think. If you want to comment below, if you're
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, comment below and tell me what you
Speaker 1: think of these two songs. And you can find them
Speaker 1: anywhere you find music, anywhere you find music, wherever your
Speaker 1: favorite place to listen to music is, whether that's YouTube
Speaker 1: or Spotify, or Amazon or Pandora or Apple Music, your
Speaker 1: friend's garage, wherever you listen to music, wherever you find music,
Speaker 1: these days, you could find these two songs. And here's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask you guys to do as fans
Speaker 1: of this podcast, as listeners of this podcast, there's a
Speaker 1: couple caught actions that you could do to help. On
Speaker 1: Apple Music, you could pre ad so you can go
Speaker 1: and pre add the whole album Country Things, Volume one.
Speaker 1: On Spotify, you could pre save. On the iTunes store,
Speaker 1: you could pre order, and on Amazon Music you could
Speaker 1: pre order. So if you do that, I say, you
Speaker 1: have a Spotify account and you go and you pre
Speaker 1: saved my album, or you have an Apple Music account
Speaker 1: and you go and pre add my album that matters,
Speaker 1: that puts it into this little statistic that then the
Speaker 1: people at Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon and Pandora,
Speaker 1: that those people see it and they go, oh, the
Speaker 1: people really like this album. We better push it up
Speaker 1: so more people could hear it. It's important push it
Speaker 1: out there. That's how that algorithm works. And so first
Speaker 1: and foremost, before I get into this podcast, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you about that. I hope, at the very least,
Speaker 1: the very least, if you don't want to do anything,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to pre save it or pre
Speaker 1: add it or pre order it, or least, I just
Speaker 1: hope you give it a chance and you listen to it.
Speaker 1: You listen to give Me a verse and chorus, Listen
Speaker 1: to a verse and chorse of country Things, Listen to
Speaker 1: a verse and chorus of hate you like I love you.
Speaker 1: If you dig it, if you want to hear more,
Speaker 1: follow the lead here. But I just hope that you
Speaker 1: could relate to these songs. I hope that the stories
Speaker 1: speak to you. I hope it matters to you like
Speaker 1: it matters to me, because then that that that fulfills
Speaker 1: me as a musician more than anything. If songs are
Speaker 1: speaking to people and messages are getting out and people
Speaker 1: can relate, connect to a story or a melody. It
Speaker 1: makes it feel all worth it, It really does. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening to the podcast. I'm bringing back my
Speaker 1: old drummer, my current Geegee Apparel warehouse manager Caleb Kelly.
Speaker 1: He has an amazing story. We had some really low
Speaker 1: times professionally and in our friendship. He brought it all
Speaker 1: around full circle. God brought it around full circle if
Speaker 1: you believe that, which I do. And then he saw
Speaker 1: the silver lining, the happy ending, the light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel. Everything came back to him. Now
Speaker 1: he's not perfect, he's not out of the woods. He's
Speaker 1: not absolutely wonderfully happy. No one is. But he came
Speaker 1: out of a really, really dark place and found his
Speaker 1: way back to life again. And that's the message I
Speaker 1: want you to hear today. Welcome to the podcast, Episode
Speaker 1: forty seven. Ye Ye did chant in DC, moun Times
Speaker 1: and school long Line, I'm fool up and Down going
Speaker 1: back Rangy co watch evage, Yeah the gation. First thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is if you if you're new to this podcast,
Speaker 1: you got to stop right now, don't listen or watch
Speaker 1: this one and go back to episode forty six. It's
Speaker 1: called I called the Cops of My Drummer. Watch that.
Speaker 1: Listen to that one, and then come back and then
Speaker 1: meet us back here, because I want you to get
Speaker 1: the backstory on Kyle Kelly and the way that I
Speaker 1: ended that when I called the Cops of My Drummer,
Speaker 1: which is true story, not clickbait. I called the cops
Speaker 1: of my drummer, which was you a crazy night in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Speaker 1: I tell that whole story, why it happened, and as
Speaker 1: you mentioned yesterday here at Eue Apparel, that it's nice
Speaker 1: to tell that story so that people know the full
Speaker 1: the full circle of what happened that night. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just you were crazy, you got drunk and you had
Speaker 1: a crazy night and things turned bad. It was a
Speaker 1: lot more to it, and so we were able on
Speaker 1: episode forty six to go through all those details. But
Speaker 1: the problem with episode forty six is the way I
Speaker 1: ended it, and I didn't even really realize that I
Speaker 1: ended it the way I did. But a lot of
Speaker 1: people listened to that. That was a very popular episode,
Speaker 1: and this is the first time I've ever followed up
Speaker 1: with an episode the next week with the same guest.
Speaker 1: But the problem with that episode is was I ended
Speaker 1: it with the cliffhanger, not meaning to saying that everything
Speaker 1: you've heard so far wasn't as bad as what was
Speaker 1: to come. That finally got Caleb Kelly out of the band,
Speaker 1: and I had to bring you back to talk about that.
Speaker 1: So bad the story glad to me because it's also
Speaker 1: interesting that, yes, this incident, this incident we're about to
Speaker 1: talk about, got you out of the band, not the
Speaker 1: one that I called the cops on. But the crazy
Speaker 1: thing is is that you still work for us, with
Speaker 1: us every day. I see you more than my current drummer, Dusty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I see you every day. You're the warehouse manager
Speaker 1: here at EE Apparel, and that that incident, which was
Speaker 1: you know, you started playing drums for me in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: So a lot has happened in eight years, the evolution
Speaker 1: of us as friends, and it's a really cool story.
Speaker 1: So thank you for being back. Two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1: I literally pulled you out of the warehouse. You were
Speaker 1: completely sweating because it's hot in here. We have this
Speaker 1: fall launch coming up next a couple of weeks September
Speaker 1: eighteenth and so you've been getting all the backstories, you've
Speaker 1: been getting all the palettes of new merch coming in
Speaker 1: through the shipments, and so this is the this is
Speaker 1: the go time for you. The shippers will have hell
Speaker 1: on it's eighteenth, but you have hell right now getting
Speaker 1: everything out organized, right, trying to say one step ahead
Speaker 1: of what they need before they get the order out
Speaker 1: the door. So yeah, we've got a lot of boxes
Speaker 1: and pallets and items coming in. So no air conditioning
Speaker 1: in the warehouse, No, No, it's you experience the elements. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good though I had a change shirt because it
Speaker 1: was a little Norley. You clean up nice. So before
Speaker 1: we get into the night, that ended us playing music
Speaker 1: together at least for now, as there might be more
Speaker 1: a lot more music down the road, but for now.
Speaker 1: There's other stories that happened to that I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, and there might be some of
Speaker 1: them forgetting, but I wanted to bring up one eared Doug.
Speaker 1: One ear Doug. That was do you want to take anywhere?
Speaker 1: I'll set it up. But I can't finish it because
Speaker 1: I was technically sleeping in the van back in the
Speaker 1: day when we were pushing back every Saturday night when
Speaker 1: we would play a show, me and the band would
Speaker 1: push back that same night to try to make it home,
Speaker 1: and we were most of the time successful. We would
Speaker 1: get home usually by the time the sun was coming up,
Speaker 1: no matter where we were coming from in the state
Speaker 1: of Texas or Oklahoma, we would get back home or
Speaker 1: ride around sunrise. And if we beat the sun coming up,
Speaker 1: that was a good Saturday night. It was good. If
Speaker 1: we got home at nine or ten am, it was devastating.
Speaker 1: It was so tiring. But what we would do was
Speaker 1: we would switch off driving and we would pick our
Speaker 1: drivers after the show, no before the show, so we
Speaker 1: knew how much alcohol we can consu Originally it was
Speaker 1: after the show, and then we noticed that if you
Speaker 1: just got hammered, you couldn't be a driver for the
Speaker 1: first right, So we were like, this isn't going to work.
Speaker 1: We we'll pick it before the show. So we used
Speaker 1: everything from driver's license to hotel keys. I remember doing
Speaker 1: hotel keys and we would write our names on them
Speaker 1: and put them up in the visor of the van,
Speaker 1: and then before the show we would just draw names.
Speaker 1: Like a car dealer in Vegas. We would draw in
Speaker 1: pairs so We would say, all right, Shift one is
Speaker 1: Todd and Caleb. Shift two Granger and Tyler, whatever, and
Speaker 1: we would pick usually about four shifts. It depended on
Speaker 1: how far we were driving the shifts. We were very
Speaker 1: strict about it. There were two hour shifts. You and
Speaker 1: your partner would pick who was going to drive and
Speaker 1: who was going to navigate. The only rule was the
Speaker 1: navigator could not sleep at all, could not sleep, and
Speaker 1: you could switch. You could switch off ten minute shifts.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter you picked. You had your two hour slot,
Speaker 1: which is by design the length of a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in case you wanted to watch a movie and everyone
Speaker 1: else could just chill out, they could watch the movie,
Speaker 1: they could sleep. The first shift was amazing. You're fresh
Speaker 1: off the stage, you've loaded the trailer, hit the road,
Speaker 1: drive for two hours. You're done. Second shift was terrible
Speaker 1: because just when two hours goes by after loading the
Speaker 1: trailer in two hours on the road was like just
Speaker 1: the time when you start getting tired. It takes two
Speaker 1: hours just to get tired, so you could get tired.
Speaker 1: And then third shift wasn't bad because now you've rested
Speaker 1: for four hours. You've been bumping around in the back
Speaker 1: in the bunk in the back of the van and
Speaker 1: you kind of want to drive anyway. Yeah, this particular night,
Speaker 1: I believe we were in Schneider, Texas. That's the town
Speaker 1: I remember that we played no that we were driving
Speaker 1: to one year Doug. Yeah, where were that RV sign?
Speaker 1: Big Bread. What we did in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night was we always when we needed a pea stop,
Speaker 1: because you got, what were seven of us, probably seven
Speaker 1: or eight five yeah, seven exactly, so seven of us.
Speaker 1: There was multiple pea stops that we had to do,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. It wasn't worth going to a gas
Speaker 1: station just to pee. It just took too long, find
Speaker 1: a parking spot, there could be a line, somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: take too long because they're buying something in the aisles.
Speaker 1: So it was way easier to do what we called
Speaker 1: a desert pea basically because most of Texas is the desert.
Speaker 1: We would just pull off on the side and the
Speaker 1: darkness and everyone would pile out and just pee in
Speaker 1: the grass. That's just how it was. So here we are,
Speaker 1: I'm setting the scene for your story. We're outside of Snyder, Texas,
Speaker 1: I believe, on a random Saturday night, pushing home stop
Speaker 1: for a desert pee. I was not on shift, so
Speaker 1: I was in the middle bench trying to sleep. You
Speaker 1: never really sleep, but I was trying to sleep and
Speaker 1: the guys get out to go pee, and I believe
Speaker 1: it was you and Tyler on the shift. No, it
Speaker 1: was it was Tyler and Johnny. You weren't okay. I
Speaker 1: was on the first bench asleep right there where the
Speaker 1: door had opened. Gotcha, gotcha. So during this desert pea
Speaker 1: we meet one eared Doug. So what happened was here's
Speaker 1: here's where it picks up for me. I'm like laying
Speaker 1: with my feet facing towards the sliding door and I
Speaker 1: hear this, like like sit up real quick, and there's
Speaker 1: some dude had bent his truck around one of those
Speaker 1: like double poles. It holds up one of those big signs,
Speaker 1: and uh, I jump out. Tyler and Johnny are there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's go. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I wasn't wearing shoes. I realized once I got there.
Speaker 1: But we run over to this truck. You were barefoot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the first time I hear that. Yeah, it was dumb.
Speaker 1: I only remember because there was glass everywhere, but it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, like it wasn't It didn't cut
Speaker 1: my feet, thank god. But we go over there and uh,
Speaker 1: we say, this is the middle of nowhere, boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: Black Texas, nut town, inside middle of nowhere, middle up
Speaker 1: two am. Yeah it was like that. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: early and my first week with you guys. This was
Speaker 1: the after the last show, our first week. So he
Speaker 1: wraps his truck around this pole, run over there, Uh,
Speaker 1: to the driver's side and pull open the door and
Speaker 1: obviously not wearing a seatbelt because here's the driver's side
Speaker 1: and he's all the way up against that window, kind
Speaker 1: of leaned up against there. And I go in there
Speaker 1: and I grab his arm. I'm like okay, you okay,
Speaker 1: and he looks at me and he's just like because
Speaker 1: he had broken his jaw and it was like back
Speaker 1: and hanging down to the side. And uh, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the worst part though. Uh. The other part was his
Speaker 1: ear was hanging off and there was only like a
Speaker 1: little bit. It was like down here. So I grabbed
Speaker 1: him like, car, you're all right, and he kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't. He's not saying anything. I mean he might
Speaker 1: have been saying something. Yeah, I couldn't tell what he
Speaker 1: was saying, because the jow was broken and his ears
Speaker 1: hanging off his head and he was like, ah, and
Speaker 1: that was one ear Doug. We so his name wasn't Doug,
Speaker 1: but you named him Doug. Yeah, one ear Doug. If
Speaker 1: his name is Doug, that would be kind of cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nailed it, but it's probably not Doug. So I don't
Speaker 1: think one year Doug's listening to this podcast. If you
Speaker 1: are buddy, First of all, I'm sorry. I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to laugh at you. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think we might have saved your life. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what would have happened. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was just I don't think he was bleeding out too bad.
Speaker 1: He was just laying up against I mean, maybe he
Speaker 1: would have. And and to set the scene too, it
Speaker 1: was we're on this two lane highway in the middle
Speaker 1: of Texas, but this and the guys are peeing off
Speaker 1: the two lane highway. But this happened in the service
Speaker 1: road where the where the billboard was. So I mean,
Speaker 1: of all places to be standing there peeing in the
Speaker 1: middle of nine on side of the road, of all
Speaker 1: places for a drunk driver to come flying down the
Speaker 1: service road and wreck. It was right here, in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. So at that point he had just
Speaker 1: got in a fight with his with his girl, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had. He had left like stormed out. We found
Speaker 1: out later, well, he wrapped his truck around there. We
Speaker 1: pulled him out, pull him out, and he's like, it's hanging.
Speaker 1: And then some car pulls up and uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was his daughter or his significant other,
Speaker 1: but she's like, he's he's okay, he's he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think so she's like, no,
Speaker 1: he's fine, he'll come with me. He's fine with the
Speaker 1: truck was fine. And I was like, man, I really
Speaker 1: don't think he's okay, and she's like, no, trust me,
Speaker 1: he's fine. I'll take him with me. It's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. And I was like, look at him, and
Speaker 1: she looks at him and he's ah, and she just
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, christ upped up and starts crying
Speaker 1: and she so she didn't see him until you said that. No,
Speaker 1: she probably saw his good side, okay, And then he
Speaker 1: turned around and the ears just dangling there and his
Speaker 1: jaws all bode So then she was like then she
Speaker 1: started crying. But then like the cops showed up. Uh
Speaker 1: you remember the cops circle. I don't know who called
Speaker 1: the cops. Uh must have been so I bet you
Speaker 1: Tyler called him, probably because remember then city cops showed
Speaker 1: up and they were like, uh, what's outside the city
Speaker 1: And then dude that was a mess share office showed
Speaker 1: up and was like, it's not my jurisdiction neither. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So then DPS showed up. He was not in the
Speaker 1: mood to be there. All they called. They said, you're right,
Speaker 1: and that guy said, it's not it's not my jurisdiction.
Speaker 1: So then they called DPS. But remember it took him
Speaker 1: an hour to get there because he was asleep and
Speaker 1: there was one Texas State trooper available in that county
Speaker 1: and he was asleep, so they had to call him
Speaker 1: wake him up because he was the only guy that could.
Speaker 1: I don't know all you police officers listening, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is he had to do, but he
Speaker 1: had to get his eyes on the scene. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know how what who, like whose responsibility it was,
Speaker 1: but they were like the city was like, it's not us,
Speaker 1: it's county. County was like it's not us, it's DPS.
Speaker 1: And then DPS was gonna show up. But the Sheriff's
Speaker 1: office dude was like, he said, okay, what happened? We
Speaker 1: were like, all right, Well he wrapped his truck around
Speaker 1: this thing. We pulled him out and we saw and
Speaker 1: he was like holding this. I'll never he's just holding
Speaker 1: his bad He's like zero, yeah, very matter of fact.
Speaker 1: Zero got that point holding Yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I already knew that. Picked up on that. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that was interesting. So we had to stay as a band.
Speaker 1: By this time, we're all up. Anyone else that was
Speaker 1: asleep is now up. And like I said, we always
Speaker 1: wanted to push back and make make home before the
Speaker 1: sun came up. Well, we had to stay for the
Speaker 1: DPS officer to arrive because we were the only witnesses
Speaker 1: and they needed to get a statement from us. And
Speaker 1: there was, as you know, you've probably been in a
Speaker 1: situation before, there's no getting out of this making a statement.
Speaker 1: You know. As much as we wanted to just go okay,
Speaker 1: you got it, were no. We had to wait. We
Speaker 1: had to wait for the DPS to fill up the report,
Speaker 1: and that took an hour for him just to get there,
Speaker 1: because I think he lived forty five minutes away, plus
Speaker 1: give him fifteen minutes to wake up and put his
Speaker 1: clothes on, and then he gets there. Then you guys
Speaker 1: had to tell the whole story again again to him,
Speaker 1: and it set us back a good two hours. Just
Speaker 1: stopping to pee one time set us back two hours
Speaker 1: and get us home late. But if you if you're Ever,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this podcast and you're Ever in Snyder, Texas,
Speaker 1: walking around and you see a man, middle aged, kind
Speaker 1: of thin, one ear might be and one ear, one
Speaker 1: ear looks a little bit different, like maybe it's been
Speaker 1: reattached with some stitches, just go introduce yourself, say hey,
Speaker 1: are you one ear? Doug. He doesn't even know that
Speaker 1: this podcast is exist, but probably not listen. If he is,
Speaker 1: it's with one earbud or one headphone. He listens to
Speaker 1: podcasts with one here one ear muff. Think they're talking
Speaker 1: about me. All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back. More things to tell you guys about
Speaker 1: Right now. We have the Yee Apparel Fall launch coming
Speaker 1: up September eighteenth. So excited about this launch. This is
Speaker 1: September what an incredible month for ye Apparel. We have
Speaker 1: the album Country Things coming out September twenty fifth. We
Speaker 1: have a brand new YEE Nation website which we are
Speaker 1: going to announce very soon that it's a member's only
Speaker 1: website that's going to be very exclusive. And then we
Speaker 1: have the Ye Apparel Fall Lunch coming out on September eighteenth.
Speaker 1: This Fall Lunch is probably going to be our biggest
Speaker 1: launch ever. And I say that because as we've led
Speaker 1: into these from the spring to the eye ee Day,
Speaker 1: to the summer launch now the Fall Lunch in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: they've gotten progressively more and more exclusive, more and more popular.
Speaker 1: The reason this is almost a warning for the podcast
Speaker 1: listeners that it by ten am when we put this
Speaker 1: on sale on ye apparel dot com or ee dot com. Also,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go fast, and we're gonna have some exclusive
Speaker 1: merch from really really well thought out pieces for ee apparel,
Speaker 1: hats and shirts and merchandise, and it's gonna go quickly.
Speaker 1: So make sure put on your phones, put on your
Speaker 1: calendar on September eighteenth that at ten am you're gonna
Speaker 1: want to log into this website EE dot com or
Speaker 1: eye Apparel dot com and get what you want, because
Speaker 1: I don't want you to go there and go I
Speaker 1: want a large of this and you click and it
Speaker 1: says sold out and you're gonna be disappointed. I'm really
Speaker 1: excited about it. This has some awesome merch. So we'll
Speaker 1: see you guys fall on September eighteenth. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a lot more stories that we could tell one of
Speaker 1: these days. On another podcast, we chased a lot of no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say chased, but we've followed a lot of
Speaker 1: drunk drivers at three four o'clock in the morning just
Speaker 1: because we're out, we're in our van and we would
Speaker 1: see something, you know, see a guy swerving all over
Speaker 1: the place, and so it would kind of be almost
Speaker 1: something to do for us to call it in and
Speaker 1: we would just we would be heading west on some
Speaker 1: road and just keep just keep on going until finally
Speaker 1: someone arrived. And that was always some excitement, and we
Speaker 1: have there's just so many stories that happened in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, and when you're a band traveling,
Speaker 1: you see them and that kind of includes you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my drummer and I want to tell the story about
Speaker 1: the final night of us playing music together. The story
Speaker 1: I was talking about in the last episode, and we
Speaker 1: had had I also want to slightly defend myself that
Speaker 1: I wasn't just cutting you off, because we had a
Speaker 1: lot of events like Flagstaff, none that bad, but we had,
Speaker 1: you know, several occasions where we had to kind of
Speaker 1: sweep things under the rug because we did it in
Speaker 1: front of a club owner or a promoter or a
Speaker 1: radio person, and and you went off the handle on
Speaker 1: something because of your current mental state. And we had
Speaker 1: just we were in a good place at this time, right,
Speaker 1: we had arrived at a a good time in your
Speaker 1: life and your mental health. And I can't say enough
Speaker 1: that if you haven't heard the previous episode, you got
Speaker 1: to you got to listen to that because I don't
Speaker 1: want to explain it all again. But you had been
Speaker 1: through a bunch. You'd had a lot of loss in
Speaker 1: your life. You lost your two brothers, which which is
Speaker 1: it is your life, you know, when you have your brothers,
Speaker 1: that is your life, and you lost it, and you
Speaker 1: were on a road to recovery, and you were in
Speaker 1: a good place, the best place that I had known you,
Speaker 1: and everyone felt great about it, and then this night happened. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd even been i'd been going to see a grief counselor,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget that on this day, I went
Speaker 1: to go see this grief counselor and I was like
Speaker 1: smiling and just in a good mood. And then she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're smiling. I was like, I feel good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel good. I'm comfortable enough to say that today
Speaker 1: I feel good and she was like, that's good. It's
Speaker 1: really it's good to hear You've been even working on
Speaker 1: this for months. So oddly enough, that was that was
Speaker 1: the day right after I've said I feel good today,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hopeful. So that was is it Tuesday or Wednesday?
Speaker 1: It was a Tuesday. We were supposed to roll out
Speaker 1: today the next day for our run that week. And
Speaker 1: so I leave that grief counselor in a super happy mood, hopeful,
Speaker 1: and got home. And I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: the details of what happened or what I discovered because
Speaker 1: because the kids are are old enough to maybe find this,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you know, you never want someone
Speaker 1: making fun of or making light of your parent, Like
Speaker 1: is I don't want the kids too? You know, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't want someone making fun of your kids parents. Even
Speaker 1: if you don't, even if you don't like that person
Speaker 1: or you don't have the best opinion of that person,
Speaker 1: you know you need to step back and think of like,
Speaker 1: how would this affect the kids. So it's with that
Speaker 1: thought in mind that I'm not going to go over details,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say that it was bad enough to
Speaker 1: where that the betrayal was bad enough to where that
Speaker 1: was that was it for me. You know your marriage
Speaker 1: was going to come to an end because of this
Speaker 1: event that happened. Yes, and that's that's we just won't
Speaker 1: discuss the event. Yeah, I'm no, And that's I'm okay
Speaker 1: with saying something happened and that marriage is over, and
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that out of respect for my kids,
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't dog your kids. You can't
Speaker 1: dog the other if you're a part of a divorce family,
Speaker 1: you can't dog the other person in front of your kids.
Speaker 1: That doesn't do anything for them. In fact, it damages them.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter for this story. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: What matters to this story is how you reacted to
Speaker 1: that event that eventually led to your divorce exactly so
Speaker 1: that happened or I get home, I leave uh and
Speaker 1: and just and I'm just like, I gotta get out
Speaker 1: of here, go somewhere. I just got to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: This is a there's a lot to process what was
Speaker 1: going on in my mind at that time, which suck
Speaker 1: because I just walked out of that uh, out of
Speaker 1: that counselor's office, thinking I'm happy, I'm smiling. She had
Speaker 1: just noticed that I was smiling and I hadn't done
Speaker 1: that for I had been going to there for a while.
Speaker 1: So then to come home and just and it was
Speaker 1: out of the blue, like it was one of those
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't see it coming at all. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, I got to get out of here,
Speaker 1: and I take off and just start driving west. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know where I was going west ish
Speaker 1: northwest is ish, I guess, and uh, you know, admittedly
Speaker 1: start started drinking along the way. I was just my
Speaker 1: mind was blown at at at what had what I
Speaker 1: just discovered. And on top of like the boys, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't too far down road that I discovered this,
Speaker 1: So it was a lot to try and process. I
Speaker 1: just got to a place where I was like I'm
Speaker 1: getting better. And then this it was like coming out
Speaker 1: of the water, you know, coming out of cold ocean
Speaker 1: water where you're drowning and your head gets above the
Speaker 1: surface and someone's there with a pot of boiling water.
Speaker 1: It's like it didn't didn't get any better, it was
Speaker 1: another into another bad situation. So so, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: started driving, and you're probably going to Colorado. Yeah, somewhere
Speaker 1: in your mind, you were driving northwest to Colorado from Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was going to go either to I
Speaker 1: was going to go to mountains, you know that. So
Speaker 1: that was mine. I still don't know if this is
Speaker 1: going on. And we're leaving the next day to go
Speaker 1: on a tour. Yeah, and there has been times many
Speaker 1: times in my career when I have to kind of
Speaker 1: straddle friendship and managing several men as employers. It's employees,
Speaker 1: and this was a this was a big one for me.
Speaker 1: So so then you arrive in Abilene, Texas, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: All along the way, I wasn't going to Abilene. Uh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my target, and but I was. I was
Speaker 1: heading somewhere and along the way, I I had called
Speaker 1: and talked to you a couple of times and called
Speaker 1: and talked to my dad mm hmm, and uh, I
Speaker 1: didn't listen to his warning. He's like, you need to
Speaker 1: stop what you're doing. Find a hotel. I'll get your
Speaker 1: hotel wherever you're at, and you stop stop driving. You're
Speaker 1: going to get arrested, You're going to get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Something's going to happen. You need to stop. And I
Speaker 1: didn't listen to him. I made things worse, like what
Speaker 1: we were talking about. And your poor dad has always
Speaker 1: given you sound advice, the right advice, many many times,
Speaker 1: and I was always like, well, but what if I
Speaker 1: do it my way? And it has never never worked out? Uh. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I called to talk to you and I remember telling
Speaker 1: you and uh, this is when you yelled at me
Speaker 1: for what I just said. You yelled at me stop
Speaker 1: being my boss and just be my friend. Because I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, come back. You know we leave tomorrow
Speaker 1: for tour. If we could talk this out, we could
Speaker 1: work this out on the road, you know, with your brothers,
Speaker 1: with your team, Like, stop being my boss and just
Speaker 1: be my friend and listen to me. Yeah. I took
Speaker 1: that on some levels. You're right the way I took
Speaker 1: it was that you were more concerned with me as
Speaker 1: an employee then as a friend. And at that time,
Speaker 1: in my mind again, maybe another situation where I don't
Speaker 1: know what would I don't know what you could tell
Speaker 1: a person who just found that out, who would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, I'll probably come back. I
Speaker 1: was about to overreact, but yeah, I'll come back. No,
Speaker 1: I was doing. I was in a bad in a
Speaker 1: bad way. And if I would have just listened to
Speaker 1: you and been like, all right, yeah, I'm not going home.
Speaker 1: I'll just come to your place and then we'll roll
Speaker 1: tomorrow and you know, I'm just gonna go out on tour.
Speaker 1: I'll work this out. But that was not That was
Speaker 1: not what I did. So then lead me to what happened.
Speaker 1: So I'm on the way to somewhere and I pull
Speaker 1: into Abilene and I remember pulling off the main road
Speaker 1: and I was on like a feeder road and I'm
Speaker 1: driving and I get rear ended, which was unfortunate, well
Speaker 1: a couple of the wasn't the most unfortunate thing that
Speaker 1: happened that day, but it didn't help. So I get
Speaker 1: rear ended and stop the car and that guy gets
Speaker 1: out he's mad at me, and and I was like
Speaker 1: the wrong guy on the wrong day, you know, not
Speaker 1: not that I was going to. It was him and
Speaker 1: a friend. So it was me against two guys. And
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not super I'm not super quick,
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not scared. I could deny both
Speaker 1: of those things. You just said said, yeah, yes you are,
Speaker 1: but I was like, uh, you know, it just didn't
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. I'm not you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: my goal going into any fights we talked about I
Speaker 1: have way too much Mexican irish in your button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm knocking back down and I'm not scared to get hurt.
Speaker 1: And that day I would I would have, just like Flagstaff,
Speaker 1: I would have welcomed it. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: the I don't know why that welcoming pain into situations
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know why that that is enticing
Speaker 1: At that point. I guess you're just so frustrated that
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't care. I really don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't care what happens. So I was like, let's fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, awesome. Some of these guys wanted to fight you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were mad at me. They rear ended you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they wanted to fight you. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: class A citizens. Yeah yeah. It was uh, it was
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was bad, but they were in me,
Speaker 1: they want to fight me. The cops get called the sill,
Speaker 1: they say, both of you pull over, and and the
Speaker 1: cops are like, well, they're talking to him, and they
Speaker 1: come over to me and they're like, we smell alcohol.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, like what's going on? And I
Speaker 1: was honest with him. I just told him, Hey, this
Speaker 1: is going on, this is what's going on. Just found
Speaker 1: out this about my marriage. Horrible day. These guys were
Speaker 1: in me and uh, and they were like, okay, well
Speaker 1: we're gonna go talk to this guy, but we'll be back.
Speaker 1: Just hang here. I remember them going to talk to
Speaker 1: that the other driver, and they were like they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna stay with him because you know,
Speaker 1: we believe he's intoxicated. And uh, he's like what about
Speaker 1: my car? On The cop was like, you rear ended him.
Speaker 1: You know, it was your this accident's your fault. But
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't leave the scene with me like that,
Speaker 1: So so they take you to jail. Yes, they do.
Speaker 1: How did I find out about this? I forgot about jail. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're going to jail in Ablene, Texas. I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's blurry in my memory. There's a couple of things
Speaker 1: that are blurry, probably more blurry for your Yeah, you
Speaker 1: remember more than I do. Something like this happened. I
Speaker 1: find out you're going to jail in Ablene, Texas. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was your dad or might have been my dad,
Speaker 1: maybe your ex wife have been. But you are relaying
Speaker 1: to me like, hey, you know, I know I'm not
Speaker 1: going to make tomorrow's show. Yeah, but can you like
Speaker 1: play acoustic and then I'll just join you guys. I'll
Speaker 1: just come and meet you on Thursday. Did I even
Speaker 1: say that? I don't even know that. I was, well, you,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what you said, but you alluded
Speaker 1: to not gonna be there. I'm not gonna be there,
Speaker 1: but i'll be Just give me a few days and
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Yeah, it was my thought, and
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you can't come back. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I got to get another drummer and we got to
Speaker 1: keep going. I can't. And once again to slightly defend myself.
Speaker 1: This is we talked a lot on your trip to Abling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like I wasn't blindsided with this information.
Speaker 1: I was like, Kala, pull over, pull over, pull or
Speaker 1: come back, don't do this, don't do it. And you're
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no. And then this happened, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, hey, I want come back, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, dude, that ship has sailed. I don't
Speaker 1: remember that. I remember having that conversation. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, was there's a lot I don't remember on
Speaker 1: on the way up to Abilene. Not just getting away
Speaker 1: from the problem was my main goal, and and that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I made things so significantly worse, not only
Speaker 1: from like I got arrested, spent the night in Abilene's
Speaker 1: finest hotel, uh and and then affected my job, you know,
Speaker 1: all all that stuff negative. And then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was it was bad. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: My job wasn't on my mind on the way up
Speaker 1: there to Abiline. So things are really low for you,
Speaker 1: and I find I go into that. We go in
Speaker 1: the next day, we find a last minute guy to
Speaker 1: come and kind of sub play drums, not a very
Speaker 1: good job, but that that's actually the day that dust
Speaker 1: the Saxton was getting off the road with this rock band,
Speaker 1: Evans Blue, and was able to come fill in, which
Speaker 1: he's still to this day. It's been my drummer. I
Speaker 1: think it's been seven years. And you it's funny because
Speaker 1: Dusty was the one that recommended you to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you guys have we've all been in this Texas
Speaker 1: music circle. So yeah, so Dusty, there was never any
Speaker 1: weirdness between Caleb and Dusty. In fact, Dusty had trouble
Speaker 1: learning a lot of your songs because you're a really
Speaker 1: good drummer and you you have an interesting open handed style.
Speaker 1: But I want to say this, And so you're listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, the average listener, and they're thinking, to
Speaker 1: dud guy, just after you've heard the Flagstaff story, and
Speaker 1: after you've heard this story, it's like, now, now you've
Speaker 1: lost your job, and I've already told you, I've already
Speaker 1: sworn to you this has nothing to do with friendship.
Speaker 1: We're still going to be friends. And you were like, nah,
Speaker 1: you leave me like everyone else has. Then I don't
Speaker 1: blame you. I would leave me too, But I want
Speaker 1: to say that I'm not bringing you on here on
Speaker 1: this podcast to tell the bad story and then end it.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you on the podcast just like you told
Speaker 1: me on text today you said, let's make some more lemonade.
Speaker 1: And I want I want everyone to hear this story
Speaker 1: and I want them to be a little shocked and
Speaker 1: be like too, this guy's that this is this is
Speaker 1: the end. But then on what unfolded on the next
Speaker 1: several years for you was very evident. You've had a
Speaker 1: lot of blessings in your life since then. Your life
Speaker 1: is on a completely different path. You have an absolutely
Speaker 1: incredibly amazing wife now new wife, and amazing little boy,
Speaker 1: ye who's now three years old. A side note was
Speaker 1: River's best buddy, Prosper And all the things, all the
Speaker 1: stories you said, especially that trip to Abiline, everything that
Speaker 1: happened when your dad told you to pull over and
Speaker 1: get a hotel and I told you to come back,
Speaker 1: and those guys rear ended you. Everything that happened. If
Speaker 1: it hadn't happen just that way, you might not have
Speaker 1: found your new life that you have now. It had
Speaker 1: to play out that bad, or you might have stayed
Speaker 1: in your miserable existence that you were back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I want to I want to tell people
Speaker 1: as are listening to this that either you could be
Speaker 1: in this state of being miserable, or you could be
Speaker 1: you could know somebody that is, or most likely it's
Speaker 1: coming and you don't know it's coming. Because life has
Speaker 1: suffering in it. We all enter suffering and it would
Speaker 1: come out of it and we go back into it.
Speaker 1: That's what humans do best. But it's important to hear
Speaker 1: caleb story. But for some reason, I knew I just
Speaker 1: knew you, and I knew your heart, I knew your soul.
Speaker 1: We'd had some deep conversations. I knew you very well,
Speaker 1: and I knew you you were going to get better
Speaker 1: and you're going to end up with a new wife
Speaker 1: and have a new life. And you didn't believe me,
Speaker 1: but I told you that. I want to take a
Speaker 1: break here and then I want to get to that
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Speaker 1: I love this club. So we fast forward a few months.
Speaker 1: You pick up a job working for an electrician and
Speaker 1: then you luck out and he actually has a shop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could live in. It's almost like sling Blade, the
Speaker 1: movie where you live in the garudge repair. My life
Speaker 1: was a lot like sling Blade. I mean, uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. He had a detached shop, which was actually
Speaker 1: probably very close to this the size of this office.
Speaker 1: It had upstairs, but that was used for storage. Downstairs
Speaker 1: there was his desk, some storage, and then a couch,
Speaker 1: and so I lived on the couch, So like one
Speaker 1: half half what this office was was what I lived
Speaker 1: in with a dog named Hank and my guitar. So
Speaker 1: you that was your reset place. You got a new job,
Speaker 1: you were absolutely miserable. Understandably. I would go and visit
Speaker 1: you there. Which is an other ironic thing, is that
Speaker 1: then I we ended up when we had River, ended
Speaker 1: up moving just down the road from Matt House. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe two miles. Interesting, and you slowly began putting
Speaker 1: your life back together. And it probably seemed when you
Speaker 1: were in the middle of that rebuild that nothing was happening,
Speaker 1: nothing was improving. You were destined to fail in the world.
Speaker 1: You were cursed in some way, you had bad luck,
Speaker 1: as I've heard you say back then, and you were
Speaker 1: almost just accepting that that's just Caleb Kelly was a
Speaker 1: mess up. Yeah, And I remember one day telling you,
Speaker 1: I think I said, you are the biggest underachiever I've
Speaker 1: ever met. Yeah, something like that, Because here's this guy,
Speaker 1: that's smart, witty, funny, very handy, very talented musically, and
Speaker 1: you just kept underachieving on every level in all of
Speaker 1: those categories. What can I say? And at some point
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I couldn't listen to you feel sorry
Speaker 1: for yourself anymore, and I had to start taking a
Speaker 1: different approach of bro the is this going to get better?
Speaker 1: Ten years? I think I even said, ten years from now,
Speaker 1: you're going to have a new girl, You're going to
Speaker 1: be in a new life. And tell me about how
Speaker 1: what happened with with Heidi? Where did she come from?
Speaker 1: So well, she came from heaven. Seriously, she's an angel.
Speaker 1: And so what happened was I was on Instagram and
Speaker 1: saw her and she was posting for a benefit for
Speaker 1: her sister that she lost to cancer. And I lost
Speaker 1: Levi to cancer, she lost her amber to cancer. So
Speaker 1: I just messaged her and said, is there anything I
Speaker 1: can do? Even at this she didn't know at this
Speaker 1: time in my life. It was this crazy dude living
Speaker 1: in a office. But I was just like, is there
Speaker 1: anything I can do? She was like, yeah, you can,
Speaker 1: you know, repost this flyer for the benefit. And that's
Speaker 1: what it did. And we started talking. We had a
Speaker 1: lot in common, and we started talking on the phone,
Speaker 1: and then and then went and got her from Kansas
Speaker 1: and brought her back, and she has been Ah, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to describe the total opposite of what I am.
Speaker 1: She is the calm, cool, collected, compassionate, you know. She
Speaker 1: she's she has everything prepared for everybody and always has
Speaker 1: like a little gift for everybody, And I am not that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I don't know how that really happened, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was just like a you know,
Speaker 1: living there on that what I called my island, and
Speaker 1: then moved into I did move into a house when
Speaker 1: I brought her back from Kansas. But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was a win that I did not see coming.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't believe you. I thought it was
Speaker 1: just gonna be just gonna be kind of crazy. If
Speaker 1: looking back on it, if I would have told myself,
Speaker 1: if if the me now could walk up to the
Speaker 1: me then and be like, you're gonna be okay, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, You're gonna make it through this. You
Speaker 1: don't have an option but to overcome. I want to
Speaker 1: get to that what you're saying, and I want to
Speaker 1: go into detail about that, but because of your legal restrictions,
Speaker 1: you couldn't leave town pretty much, so traveling on the
Speaker 1: road as a drummer, even though everything's pretty good in
Speaker 1: your life, traveling on the road still ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Then what what what ends up happening is my Amber
Speaker 1: ends up becoming really close with your Heidi. And Heidi
Speaker 1: is a really good nanny slash babysitter. So we have
Speaker 1: crazy little River at home and young Lincoln young London,
Speaker 1: and if Amber needs to do anything, Heidi comes over
Speaker 1: and starts babysitting. She's perfect babysitter. And then you guys
Speaker 1: have prosper little boys the same age as River, So
Speaker 1: like worked out great because then Heidi could watch the
Speaker 1: two young ones and then Lincoln in London, and then
Speaker 1: if your two older ones came, it's like just a
Speaker 1: big farm of kids. And you would usually come with
Speaker 1: her when that happened. Yeah, so they're during this time,
Speaker 1: I'm touring like crazy. So at some point I was like, Hey, Caleb,
Speaker 1: I'm torn like crazy. Could you take care of a
Speaker 1: couple of things around the house when I'm gone, because
Speaker 1: I would come home and then I would have a
Speaker 1: turn and burn, like a twenty four hour turn and burn,
Speaker 1: and be out doing something else. And I like, things
Speaker 1: were starting to break in the house, and you're really handy,
Speaker 1: so you could fix this faucet and then you could
Speaker 1: move this electrical outlet. And then I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you mind mowing the grass? And then you would
Speaker 1: do that. And then I was like, you do you
Speaker 1: mind that dead tree out there needs cut down? And
Speaker 1: you'd cut that, and so then I turned into like
Speaker 1: a full time job. How do you would come babysit
Speaker 1: when Amber needed help. You would help me with yard
Speaker 1: and housework when I'm on tour. And then we had
Speaker 1: this list system going. You would just check off things
Speaker 1: on the list, and before we know it, you're working
Speaker 1: for me Like that can just like sneakily happened. You're
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, you're back and and it
Speaker 1: didn't We didn't even take that much time off. But
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy that, you know, and I said this
Speaker 1: on the last podcast, You know, I trust you and
Speaker 1: Heidi more than most everyone else in my life. With
Speaker 1: my most valuable possessions, my wife and my kids and
Speaker 1: and I think part of that trust that I had
Speaker 1: not because we're just close friends, but because we'd had
Speaker 1: the diversity in our lives that we had. We had
Speaker 1: some problems that we had to read we were forced
Speaker 1: to resolve, like we had to stare it in the
Speaker 1: face and fix it. We couldn't just leave and go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. We had to deal with it, and that
Speaker 1: humans are. You gain so much trust with each other
Speaker 1: when you make it through the fire and then come
Speaker 1: back out the other side. That ended up leading to
Speaker 1: you working from there to here at EE Apparel managing
Speaker 1: the warehouse, and I wanted to take time to go
Speaker 1: to dive into what you're saying. If someone's listening, and
Speaker 1: this is where you get to make lemonade. If someone's
Speaker 1: listening going through this, or their brothers going through their sister,
Speaker 1: or their dad or or their son, or their daughter,
Speaker 1: or their friend, or it's them and they're in that
Speaker 1: dark moment like you'd say, they're in that the Electricians shop,
Speaker 1: sleeping on a couch with a dog with no hope.
Speaker 1: You were there and you remember it, and you did
Speaker 1: not think you're going to be here today. So what
Speaker 1: could you say? What could you possibly say to that person,
Speaker 1: Let's say, well, first off, don't give up. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing there's nothing you can't get through or
Speaker 1: you can't fix is kind of a weird word. I
Speaker 1: don't know about fix. But there's nothing you can't get through.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get through stuff. You don't exactly fix it,
Speaker 1: you get through it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: but don't give up. I couldn't have told you that
Speaker 1: back then. That wouldn't have worked. No, So what do
Speaker 1: you say to that person? Because if I, if I
Speaker 1: came over to a kale, remember, don't give up. You
Speaker 1: probably punched me in the mouth. Well, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about this. I think whether it be adversity or grief,
Speaker 1: maybe like I would have understood it maybe a little
Speaker 1: more if at that time you you had had something
Speaker 1: similar happened, you know what I mean, Like who has
Speaker 1: something similar like to that? But like we always we
Speaker 1: always say, uh, you know, I always tell you one
Speaker 1: drop of empathy is equal to five gallon buck a
Speaker 1: five gallon bucket of sympathy, So you've got the one
Speaker 1: drop equal to five gallon bucket. So I would have
Speaker 1: listened more, you know. So I'm hoping that, hoping someone
Speaker 1: out there who is going through something has watched these
Speaker 1: two episodes and been like, he has gone through some stuff,
Speaker 1: and maybe it'll maybe it'll hit home a little harder.
Speaker 1: It's it's not that what it's not that what you
Speaker 1: said wasn't one hundred percent right and I probably should
Speaker 1: have just listened to you. It was that it was
Speaker 1: that I wasn't listening to you as much as I
Speaker 1: should have. If someone who went through a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of other stuff would have said the same exact thing,
Speaker 1: I probably would have listened more. And that's a funny
Speaker 1: thing about empathy, is that it it hits more. Now
Speaker 1: we share a lot of the same air when it
Speaker 1: comes to grief and hardship. Now I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: it feels not the same exact air, but you know it,
Speaker 1: it's just different. So I'm hoping that when I say
Speaker 1: don't give up, maybe maybe they believe it because you know,
Speaker 1: because of that stuff that have gone through And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the stuff that I went through because
Speaker 1: it today right here today, I'm in a position where
Speaker 1: I can tell people we don't give up. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe they don't give up. If that sounds
Speaker 1: too big of a task for you, maybe it's don't
Speaker 1: give up on today. Yeah, don't give up on what.
Speaker 1: Don't give up on today? What does that mean? Just
Speaker 1: make it through the day. That's all you got to do.
Speaker 1: Don't give up on today. And when things were tough
Speaker 1: for me, sometimes I would have to tell myself, just
Speaker 1: don't give up on this minute, don't give up on
Speaker 1: this hour. Like I don't know what did, I don't
Speaker 1: know where this next breath is going to come from,
Speaker 1: but just don't give up on the current one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then somehow, some way, the sun goes down and
Speaker 1: then comes up again the next morning, and then goes
Speaker 1: down again tomorrow, it comes up the day after tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and it just keeps. The rhythm of the earth keeps happening.
Speaker 1: And by don't give up, you're not talking about you're
Speaker 1: on a twenty mile run and you're really tired, you
Speaker 1: want to fall out of the race, And it's not that.
Speaker 1: Just stay here, yeah, just stay just breathe. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all it is. You know. I remember reading one time
Speaker 1: the on the the Alcoholic Steps, what's the saying when
Speaker 1: it comes to alcoholics? Anonymous that's like, don't strive for perfection.
Speaker 1: What's that saying, Uh, just strive. I'm gonna get it wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't remember paraphrase. It's like, don't strive for don't
Speaker 1: strive for perfection, just strive for something. And before I
Speaker 1: really knew what that meant, I was like, that sounds
Speaker 1: like a cop out. You should always try to be great,
Speaker 1: always strive for greatness, try to be the best, try
Speaker 1: to strive for greatness. That's that's what every Self Helped
Speaker 1: book says on the cover, and Barnes and Noble, being
Speaker 1: your best, try for great But the reality is sometimes
Speaker 1: you just need to strive to just get the day done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that was the victory was making it to
Speaker 1: the next day. So sometimes that can be hard. So
Speaker 1: that don't give up is don't give up. You know
Speaker 1: you it will get better. Do not or try not
Speaker 1: to make things worse. I made my life at that
Speaker 1: point would have been it would have been bad. Losing
Speaker 1: the boys and then finding out about that would have
Speaker 1: been bad. That would have been bad for I think
Speaker 1: I think anybody can agree that would have been pretty
Speaker 1: pretty crappy year. But I made it worse. And you know,
Speaker 1: you may think life couldn't possibly get worse. It could
Speaker 1: all get worse. No matter how low you've dug yourself,
Speaker 1: you could go lower. You know, the every minute to
Speaker 1: minute that my life was then thinking about my brothers
Speaker 1: and then thinking about the betrayal would have been enough,
Speaker 1: but then it was losing brothers, then the betrayal. Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta go pay this court costs. I gotta go
Speaker 1: do this class. I've got to, you know, ignition, interlock,
Speaker 1: all these different things on top of what happened. So
Speaker 1: if I can tell you one thing, and it is
Speaker 1: my new mantra when it comes to talking to people,
Speaker 1: it is that it's like, don't make it worse because
Speaker 1: you want to get better and you want your life
Speaker 1: to get better, and trust me, it doesn't get better
Speaker 1: if you make it worse with those incredibly stupid decisions.
Speaker 1: Do you love your current wife and your current little boy?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I I couldn't. I did not let
Speaker 1: me rephrase that current wife. Do you love your wife? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: I could not imagine my life without her, As weird
Speaker 1: as it sounds. Sometimes I have to remind myself that's
Speaker 1: a different individual, not like half of me feels like that,
Speaker 1: but I have to go. She's she's her own personally,
Speaker 1: you know, we are not. And because that's what it
Speaker 1: feels like. And then and you and you and anyone
Speaker 1: listening that that has something like what you have now.
Speaker 1: You don't have your wife and your little boy without
Speaker 1: the series of events that were so terrible that led
Speaker 1: you to them. Yeah, that goes away. That that joy
Speaker 1: goes away if you lose the suffering. Yeah, the butterfly effect.
Speaker 1: And that is mind blowing and it's very biblical. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: you it's really hard to I couldn't tell myself back
Speaker 1: then that, Hey, your your life. Okay, Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you're having a really hard time right now with the boys,
Speaker 1: and then with this happened, But you are going to
Speaker 1: have this knockout of a dame and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: this little kid who looks just like Jack Jack from
Speaker 1: the Incredibles and is twice as crazy. I would have
Speaker 1: been like, what are you even talking about? No, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. My life, my
Speaker 1: life is paying, my life is suffering. This keeps happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believed you. I love that Apostle Paul says
Speaker 1: that suffering creates perseverance. Perseverance creates character, Character creates hope,
Speaker 1: and so basically what he's saying Post Inspired by God
Speaker 1: says that you don't you do not have hope without
Speaker 1: suffering doesn't exist. Hope doesn't exist without first suffering. We
Speaker 1: don't want to suffer as humans, we don't want to,
Speaker 1: but we are required to to have true hope. And
Speaker 1: that is as deep as this podcast you can get.
Speaker 1: But you are the You're the living proof of that
Speaker 1: that through a series of unimaginable suffering, it led you
Speaker 1: to unimaginable hope that you have now in your future
Speaker 1: and your life and your and who you are and
Speaker 1: your purpose. Ultimately Caleb Kelly's purpose on this earth, it
Speaker 1: all came from suffering. Yeah, Yeah, it was just some
Speaker 1: things have to, Like you're saying, some things have to.
Speaker 1: There's one of the rare pigments in paint is this
Speaker 1: bluestone they find in the mountains of Afghanistan, and the
Speaker 1: rarest pigment on Earth is made from this bluestone that
Speaker 1: they have to crush into a fine enough powder to
Speaker 1: turn into paint. So you have to take this bluestone.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely beautiful on its own, but in order you
Speaker 1: can't paint with rock. You can paint rocks, but you
Speaker 1: can't paint with this rock. But they have to crush
Speaker 1: it to this fine powder and then it is one
Speaker 1: of the rarest pigments in paint in the world. But
Speaker 1: it had to be crushed all the way down to
Speaker 1: the finest to lose us to gain that. You hear
Speaker 1: that story repeated so many times. So if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, if you if you're suffering, and you
Speaker 1: probably are because you're human, hang on, make it through
Speaker 1: this minute, this hour, this week. Just hang on. You
Speaker 1: don't have to set records on the race. You just
Speaker 1: have to finish. That's it, dude, Thanks for being on again.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do more. There's so many more road stories.
Speaker 1: We don't have to get that deep. There's just like
Speaker 1: one ear Doug stories galore that would be fun to tell.
Speaker 1: But I think we got to get back to work.
Speaker 1: We got a a fall launch coming up here, just
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I'm working again. You gotta go work.
Speaker 1: See you guys,