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Speaker 1: A story worth telling with a message worth hearing at

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Speaker 1: the end of the story, it's a happy ending, and promise.

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Speaker 1: Before I get into that, I want to tell you

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Speaker 1: that this is the moment, this right here today, as

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Speaker 1: is the moment for me when I say, I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to tell you I have new music out right now.

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Speaker 1: We just announced a brand new album that comes out

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Speaker 1: September twenty fifth. It's called The Country Things, Volume one.

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Speaker 1: And as a little side note, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 1: a volume two. We'll announce that later. But right now,

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Speaker 1: what I'm worried about telling you is the album is announced.

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Speaker 1: It comes out September twenty fifth. Two songs are out

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Speaker 1: right now, two brand new songs. It's called One of

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Speaker 1: them is called Country Things. The other one is called

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Speaker 1: Hate You Like I Love You. I love both of

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Speaker 1: these songs. I'm excited. They're both very different in their

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Speaker 1: own right Country Things Is. You can't compare the two

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Speaker 1: they're very different. They live in the same family, but

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Speaker 1: they're very different content wise, stylistically, the same family content wise,

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Speaker 1: two completely different stories. And I'm interested to see what

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Speaker 1: you think. If you want to comment below, if you're

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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, comment below and tell me what you

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Speaker 1: think of these two songs. And you can find them

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Speaker 1: anywhere you find music, anywhere you find music, wherever your

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Speaker 1: favorite place to listen to music is, whether that's YouTube

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Speaker 1: or Spotify, or Amazon or Pandora or Apple Music, your

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Speaker 1: friend's garage, wherever you listen to music, wherever you find music,

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Speaker 1: these days, you could find these two songs. And here's

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask you guys to do as fans

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, as listeners of this podcast, there's a

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Speaker 1: couple caught actions that you could do to help. On

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Speaker 1: Apple Music, you could pre ad so you can go

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Speaker 1: and pre add the whole album Country Things, Volume one.

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Speaker 1: On Spotify, you could pre save. On the iTunes store,

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Speaker 1: you could pre order, and on Amazon Music you could

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Speaker 1: pre order. So if you do that, I say, you

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Speaker 1: have a Spotify account and you go and you pre

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Speaker 1: saved my album, or you have an Apple Music account

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Speaker 1: and you go and pre add my album that matters,

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Speaker 1: that puts it into this little statistic that then the

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Speaker 1: people at Spotify or Apple Music or Amazon and Pandora,

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Speaker 1: that those people see it and they go, oh, the

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Speaker 1: people really like this album. We better push it up

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Speaker 1: so more people could hear it. It's important push it

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Speaker 1: and foremost, before I get into this podcast, I want

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Speaker 1: to tell you about that. I hope, at the very least,

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Speaker 1: the very least, if you don't want to do anything,

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to pre save it or pre

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Speaker 1: add it or pre order it, or least, I just

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Speaker 1: hope you give it a chance and you listen to it.

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Speaker 1: You listen to give Me a verse and chorus, Listen

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Speaker 1: to a verse and chorse of country Things, Listen to

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Speaker 1: a verse and chorus of hate you like I love you.

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Speaker 1: If you dig it, if you want to hear more,

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Speaker 1: it matters to me, because then that that that fulfills

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Speaker 1: makes it feel all worth it, It really does. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to the podcast. I'm bringing back my

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Speaker 1: old drummer, my current Geegee Apparel warehouse manager Caleb Kelly.

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Speaker 1: He has an amazing story. We had some really low

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Speaker 1: you believe that, which I do. And then he saw

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Speaker 1: forty seven. Ye Ye did chant in DC, moun Times

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Speaker 1: which is true story, not clickbait. I called the cops

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Speaker 1: of my drummer, which was you a crazy night in Flagstaff, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I tell that whole story, why it happened, and as

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Speaker 1: interesting that, yes, this incident, this incident we're about to

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being back. Two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: One ear Doug. That was do you want to take anywhere?

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Speaker 1: to go see this grief counselor and I was like

428
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: smiling and just in a good mood. And then she

429
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're smiling. I was like, I feel good. Yeah,

430
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: I feel good. I'm comfortable enough to say that today

431
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I feel good and she was like, that's good. It's

432
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: really it's good to hear You've been even working on

433
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: this for months. So oddly enough, that was that was

434
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: the day right after I've said I feel good today,

435
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hopeful. So that was is it Tuesday or Wednesday?

436
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: It was a Tuesday. We were supposed to roll out

437
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: today the next day for our run that week. And

438
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: so I leave that grief counselor in a super happy mood, hopeful,

439
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: and got home. And I'm not going to get into

440
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: the details of what happened or what I discovered because

441
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: because the kids are are old enough to maybe find this,

442
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think you know, you never want someone

443
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: making fun of or making light of your parent, Like

444
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: is I don't want the kids too? You know, you

445
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't want someone making fun of your kids parents. Even

446
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: if you don't, even if you don't like that person

447
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: or you don't have the best opinion of that person,

448
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: you know you need to step back and think of like,

449
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: how would this affect the kids. So it's with that

450
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: thought in mind that I'm not going to go over details,

451
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: but I'll just say that it was bad enough to

452
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: where that the betrayal was bad enough to where that

453
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: was that was it for me. You know your marriage

454
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: was going to come to an end because of this

455
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: event that happened. Yes, and that's that's we just won't

456
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: discuss the event. Yeah, I'm no, And that's I'm okay

457
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: with saying something happened and that marriage is over, and

458
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that out of respect for my kids,

459
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't dog your kids. You can't

460
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: dog the other if you're a part of a divorce family,

461
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't dog the other person in front of your kids.

462
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't do anything for them. In fact, it damages them.

463
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter for this story. It doesn't matter.

464
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: What matters to this story is how you reacted to

465
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: that event that eventually led to your divorce exactly so

466
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: that happened or I get home, I leave uh and

467
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: and just and I'm just like, I gotta get out

468
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: of here, go somewhere. I just got to go somewhere.

469
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: This is a there's a lot to process what was

470
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: going on in my mind at that time, which suck

471
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: because I just walked out of that uh, out of

472
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: that counselor's office, thinking I'm happy, I'm smiling. She had

473
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: just noticed that I was smiling and I hadn't done

474
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: that for I had been going to there for a while.

475
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: So then to come home and just and it was

476
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: out of the blue, like it was one of those

477
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't see it coming at all. So

478
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: I was just like, I got to get out of here,

479
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: and I take off and just start driving west. I

480
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: don't I don't know where I was going west ish

481
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: northwest is ish, I guess, and uh, you know, admittedly

482
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: start started drinking along the way. I was just my

483
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: mind was blown at at at what had what I

484
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: just discovered. And on top of like the boys, because

485
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't too far down road that I discovered this,

486
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: So it was a lot to try and process. I

487
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: just got to a place where I was like I'm

488
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: getting better. And then this it was like coming out

489
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: of the water, you know, coming out of cold ocean

490
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: water where you're drowning and your head gets above the

491
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: surface and someone's there with a pot of boiling water.

492
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: It's like it didn't didn't get any better, it was

493
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: another into another bad situation. So so, yeah, I just

494
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: started driving, and you're probably going to Colorado. Yeah, somewhere

495
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: in your mind, you were driving northwest to Colorado from Texas. Yeah,

496
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was going to go either to I

497
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: was going to go to mountains, you know that. So

498
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: that was mine. I still don't know if this is

499
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: going on. And we're leaving the next day to go

500
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: on a tour. Yeah, and there has been times many

501
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: times in my career when I have to kind of

502
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: straddle friendship and managing several men as employers. It's employees,

503
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: and this was a this was a big one for me.

504
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: So so then you arrive in Abilene, Texas, right, Yeah.

505
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: All along the way, I wasn't going to Abilene. Uh,

506
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't my target, and but I was. I was

507
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: heading somewhere and along the way, I I had called

508
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: and talked to you a couple of times and called

509
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: and talked to my dad mm hmm, and uh, I

510
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: didn't listen to his warning. He's like, you need to

511
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: stop what you're doing. Find a hotel. I'll get your

512
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: hotel wherever you're at, and you stop stop driving. You're

513
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: going to get arrested, You're going to get in trouble.

514
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Something's going to happen. You need to stop. And I

515
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: didn't listen to him. I made things worse, like what

516
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about. And your poor dad has always

517
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: given you sound advice, the right advice, many many times,

518
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: and I was always like, well, but what if I

519
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: do it my way? And it has never never worked out? Uh. So, Yeah,

520
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I called to talk to you and I remember telling

521
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: you and uh, this is when you yelled at me

522
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: for what I just said. You yelled at me stop

523
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: being my boss and just be my friend. Because I

524
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: was like, dude, come back. You know we leave tomorrow

525
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: for tour. If we could talk this out, we could

526
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: work this out on the road, you know, with your brothers,

527
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: with your team, Like, stop being my boss and just

528
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: be my friend and listen to me. Yeah. I took

529
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: that on some levels. You're right the way I took

530
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: it was that you were more concerned with me as

531
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: an employee then as a friend. And at that time,

532
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: in my mind again, maybe another situation where I don't

533
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: know what would I don't know what you could tell

534
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: a person who just found that out, who would be like, oh,

535
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, I'll probably come back. I

536
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: was about to overreact, but yeah, I'll come back. No,

537
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: I was doing. I was in a bad in a

538
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: bad way. And if I would have just listened to

539
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: you and been like, all right, yeah, I'm not going home.

540
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: I'll just come to your place and then we'll roll

541
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: tomorrow and you know, I'm just gonna go out on tour.

542
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I'll work this out. But that was not That was

543
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: not what I did. So then lead me to what happened.

544
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: So I'm on the way to somewhere and I pull

545
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: into Abilene and I remember pulling off the main road

546
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: and I was on like a feeder road and I'm

547
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: driving and I get rear ended, which was unfortunate, well

548
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: a couple of the wasn't the most unfortunate thing that

549
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: happened that day, but it didn't help. So I get

550
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: rear ended and stop the car and that guy gets

551
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: out he's mad at me, and and I was like

552
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: the wrong guy on the wrong day, you know, not

553
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: not that I was going to. It was him and

554
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: a friend. So it was me against two guys. And

555
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not super I'm not super quick,

556
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not scared. I could deny both

557
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: of those things. You just said said, yeah, yes you are,

558
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: but I was like, uh, you know, it just didn't

559
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. I'm not you know, you know, like

560
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: my goal going into any fights we talked about I

561
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: have way too much Mexican irish in your button. Yeah,

562
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm knocking back down and I'm not scared to get hurt.

563
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: And that day I would I would have, just like Flagstaff,

564
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: I would have welcomed it. I don't know what the

565
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: the I don't know why that welcoming pain into situations

566
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know why that that is enticing

567
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: At that point. I guess you're just so frustrated that

568
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't care. I really don't care. I

569
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: don't care what happens. So I was like, let's fight. Yeah,

570
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: all right, awesome. Some of these guys wanted to fight you. Yeah,

571
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: they were mad at me. They rear ended you. Yeah,

572
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: and then they wanted to fight you. Yeah, all right,

573
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: class A citizens. Yeah yeah. It was uh, it was

574
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was bad, but they were in me,

575
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: they want to fight me. The cops get called the sill,

576
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: they say, both of you pull over, and and the

577
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: cops are like, well, they're talking to him, and they

578
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: come over to me and they're like, we smell alcohol.

579
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, like what's going on? And I

580
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: was honest with him. I just told him, Hey, this

581
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: is going on, this is what's going on. Just found

582
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: out this about my marriage. Horrible day. These guys were

583
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: in me and uh, and they were like, okay, well

584
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna go talk to this guy, but we'll be back.

585
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Just hang here. I remember them going to talk to

586
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: that the other driver, and they were like they were like, well,

587
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna stay with him because you know,

588
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: we believe he's intoxicated. And uh, he's like what about

589
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: my car? On The cop was like, you rear ended him.

590
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, it was your this accident's your fault. But

591
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't leave the scene with me like that,

592
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: So so they take you to jail. Yes, they do.

593
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: How did I find out about this? I forgot about jail. Yes,

594
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: you're going to jail in Ablene, Texas. I don't know. Uh,

595
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: that's blurry in my memory. There's a couple of things

596
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: that are blurry, probably more blurry for your Yeah, you

597
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: remember more than I do. Something like this happened. I

598
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: find out you're going to jail in Ablene, Texas. Maybe

599
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: it was your dad or might have been my dad,

600
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe your ex wife have been. But you are relaying

601
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: to me like, hey, you know, I know I'm not

602
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: going to make tomorrow's show. Yeah, but can you like

603
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: play acoustic and then I'll just join you guys. I'll

604
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: just come and meet you on Thursday. Did I even

605
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: say that? I don't even know that. I was, well, you,

606
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what you said, but you alluded

607
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: to not gonna be there. I'm not gonna be there,

608
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: but i'll be Just give me a few days and

609
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Yeah, it was my thought, and

610
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you can't come back. Yeah, Like

611
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: I got to get another drummer and we got to

612
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: keep going. I can't. And once again to slightly defend myself.

613
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: This is we talked a lot on your trip to Abling. Yeah,

614
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like I wasn't blindsided with this information.

615
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Kala, pull over, pull over, pull or

616
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: come back, don't do this, don't do it. And you're

617
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no. And then this happened, and

618
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: then you're like, hey, I want come back, and I

619
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: was like, no, dude, that ship has sailed. I don't

620
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: remember that. I remember having that conversation. I mean, like

621
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I said, was there's a lot I don't remember on

622
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: on the way up to Abilene. Not just getting away

623
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: from the problem was my main goal, and and that

624
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I made things so significantly worse, not only

625
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: from like I got arrested, spent the night in Abilene's

626
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: finest hotel, uh and and then affected my job, you know,

627
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: all all that stuff negative. And then I was like, yeah,

628
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was it was bad. It wasn't.

629
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: My job wasn't on my mind on the way up

630
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: there to Abiline. So things are really low for you,

631
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: and I find I go into that. We go in

632
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: the next day, we find a last minute guy to

633
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: come and kind of sub play drums, not a very

634
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: good job, but that that's actually the day that dust

635
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: the Saxton was getting off the road with this rock band,

636
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Evans Blue, and was able to come fill in, which

637
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: he's still to this day. It's been my drummer. I

638
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: think it's been seven years. And you it's funny because

639
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: Dusty was the one that recommended you to me. Yeah,

640
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: because you guys have we've all been in this Texas

641
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: music circle. So yeah, so Dusty, there was never any

642
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: weirdness between Caleb and Dusty. In fact, Dusty had trouble

643
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: learning a lot of your songs because you're a really

644
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: good drummer and you you have an interesting open handed style.

645
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: But I want to say this, And so you're listening

646
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: to this podcast, the average listener, and they're thinking, to

647
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: dud guy, just after you've heard the Flagstaff story, and

648
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: after you've heard this story, it's like, now, now you've

649
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: lost your job, and I've already told you, I've already

650
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: sworn to you this has nothing to do with friendship.

651
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: We're still going to be friends. And you were like, nah,

652
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: you leave me like everyone else has. Then I don't

653
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: blame you. I would leave me too, But I want

654
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: to say that I'm not bringing you on here on

655
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: this podcast to tell the bad story and then end it.

656
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you on the podcast just like you told

657
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: me on text today you said, let's make some more lemonade.

658
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: And I want I want everyone to hear this story

659
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: and I want them to be a little shocked and

660
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: be like too, this guy's that this is this is

661
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: the end. But then on what unfolded on the next

662
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: several years for you was very evident. You've had a

663
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: lot of blessings in your life since then. Your life

664
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: is on a completely different path. You have an absolutely

665
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: incredibly amazing wife now new wife, and amazing little boy,

666
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: ye who's now three years old. A side note was

667
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: River's best buddy, Prosper And all the things, all the

668
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: stories you said, especially that trip to Abiline, everything that

669
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: happened when your dad told you to pull over and

670
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: get a hotel and I told you to come back,

671
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: and those guys rear ended you. Everything that happened. If

672
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: it hadn't happen just that way, you might not have

673
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: found your new life that you have now. It had

674
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: to play out that bad, or you might have stayed

675
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: in your miserable existence that you were back then. Yeah,

676
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: And so I want to I want to tell people

677
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: as are listening to this that either you could be

678
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: in this state of being miserable, or you could be

679
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: you could know somebody that is, or most likely it's

680
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: coming and you don't know it's coming. Because life has

681
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: suffering in it. We all enter suffering and it would

682
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: come out of it and we go back into it.

683
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: That's what humans do best. But it's important to hear

684
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: caleb story. But for some reason, I knew I just

685
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: knew you, and I knew your heart, I knew your soul.

686
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: We'd had some deep conversations. I knew you very well,

687
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,719
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688
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: and you're going to end up with a new wife

689
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: and have a new life. And you didn't believe me,

690
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: but I told you that. I want to take a

691
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: break here and then I want to get to that

692
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:39,840
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00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: You pick up a job working for an electrician and

714
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: then you luck out and he actually has a shop. Yeah,

715
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: you could live in. It's almost like sling Blade, the

716
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: movie where you live in the garudge repair. My life

717
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: was a lot like sling Blade. I mean, uh so, yeah,

718
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: it was. He had a detached shop, which was actually

719
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: probably very close to this the size of this office.

720
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: It had upstairs, but that was used for storage. Downstairs

721
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: there was his desk, some storage, and then a couch,

722
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: and so I lived on the couch, So like one

723
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: half half what this office was was what I lived

724
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: in with a dog named Hank and my guitar. So

725
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: you that was your reset place. You got a new job,

726
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: you were absolutely miserable. Understandably. I would go and visit

727
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: you there. Which is an other ironic thing, is that

728
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: then I we ended up when we had River, ended

729
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: up moving just down the road from Matt House. Yeah,

730
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: like maybe two miles. Interesting, and you slowly began putting

731
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: your life back together. And it probably seemed when you

732
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: were in the middle of that rebuild that nothing was happening,

733
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: nothing was improving. You were destined to fail in the world.

734
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: You were cursed in some way, you had bad luck,

735
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: as I've heard you say back then, and you were

736
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: almost just accepting that that's just Caleb Kelly was a

737
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: mess up. Yeah, And I remember one day telling you,

738
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: I think I said, you are the biggest underachiever I've

739
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: ever met. Yeah, something like that, Because here's this guy,

740
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: that's smart, witty, funny, very handy, very talented musically, and

741
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: you just kept underachieving on every level in all of

742
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: those categories. What can I say? And at some point

743
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I couldn't listen to you feel sorry

744
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: for yourself anymore, and I had to start taking a

745
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: different approach of bro the is this going to get better?

746
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: Ten years? I think I even said, ten years from now,

747
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: you're going to have a new girl, You're going to

748
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: be in a new life. And tell me about how

749
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: what happened with with Heidi? Where did she come from?

750
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: So well, she came from heaven. Seriously, she's an angel.

751
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: And so what happened was I was on Instagram and

752
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: saw her and she was posting for a benefit for

753
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: her sister that she lost to cancer. And I lost

754
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Levi to cancer, she lost her amber to cancer. So

755
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: I just messaged her and said, is there anything I

756
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: can do? Even at this she didn't know at this

757
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: time in my life. It was this crazy dude living

758
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: in a office. But I was just like, is there

759
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: anything I can do? She was like, yeah, you can,

760
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, repost this flyer for the benefit. And that's

761
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: what it did. And we started talking. We had a

762
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: lot in common, and we started talking on the phone,

763
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: and then and then went and got her from Kansas

764
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: and brought her back, and she has been Ah, it's

765
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to describe the total opposite of what I am.

766
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: She is the calm, cool, collected, compassionate, you know. She

767
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: she's she has everything prepared for everybody and always has

768
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: like a little gift for everybody, And I am not that.

769
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I don't know how that really happened, because,

770
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: like I said, I was just like a you know,

771
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: living there on that what I called my island, and

772
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: then moved into I did move into a house when

773
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: I brought her back from Kansas. But yeah, that was

774
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: that was a win that I did not see coming.

775
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't believe you. I thought it was

776
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: just gonna be just gonna be kind of crazy. If

777
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: looking back on it, if I would have told myself,

778
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: if if the me now could walk up to the

779
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: me then and be like, you're gonna be okay, You're

780
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, You're gonna make it through this. You

781
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: don't have an option but to overcome. I want to

782
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: get to that what you're saying, and I want to

783
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: go into detail about that, but because of your legal restrictions,

784
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: you couldn't leave town pretty much, so traveling on the

785
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: road as a drummer, even though everything's pretty good in

786
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: your life, traveling on the road still ain't gonna happen.

787
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Then what what what ends up happening is my Amber

788
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: ends up becoming really close with your Heidi. And Heidi

789
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: is a really good nanny slash babysitter. So we have

790
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: crazy little River at home and young Lincoln young London,

791
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: and if Amber needs to do anything, Heidi comes over

792
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: and starts babysitting. She's perfect babysitter. And then you guys

793
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: have prosper little boys the same age as River, So

794
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: like worked out great because then Heidi could watch the

795
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: two young ones and then Lincoln in London, and then

796
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: if your two older ones came, it's like just a

797
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: big farm of kids. And you would usually come with

798
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: her when that happened. Yeah, so they're during this time,

799
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm touring like crazy. So at some point I was like, Hey, Caleb,

800
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm torn like crazy. Could you take care of a

801
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: couple of things around the house when I'm gone, because

802
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: I would come home and then I would have a

803
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: turn and burn, like a twenty four hour turn and burn,

804
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: and be out doing something else. And I like, things

805
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: were starting to break in the house, and you're really handy,

806
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: so you could fix this faucet and then you could

807
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: move this electrical outlet. And then I was like, hey,

808
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: do you mind mowing the grass? And then you would

809
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: do that. And then I was like, you do you

810
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: mind that dead tree out there needs cut down? And

811
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: you'd cut that, and so then I turned into like

812
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: a full time job. How do you would come babysit

813
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: when Amber needed help. You would help me with yard

814
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: and housework when I'm on tour. And then we had

815
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: this list system going. You would just check off things

816
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: on the list, and before we know it, you're working

817
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: for me Like that can just like sneakily happened. You're

818
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, you're back and and it

819
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: didn't We didn't even take that much time off. But

820
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy that, you know, and I said this

821
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: on the last podcast, You know, I trust you and

822
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: Heidi more than most everyone else in my life. With

823
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: my most valuable possessions, my wife and my kids and

824
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: and I think part of that trust that I had

825
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: not because we're just close friends, but because we'd had

826
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: the diversity in our lives that we had. We had

827
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: some problems that we had to read we were forced

828
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: to resolve, like we had to stare it in the

829
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: face and fix it. We couldn't just leave and go

830
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: somewhere else. We had to deal with it, and that

831
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: humans are. You gain so much trust with each other

832
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: when you make it through the fire and then come

833
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: back out the other side. That ended up leading to

834
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: you working from there to here at EE Apparel managing

835
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: the warehouse, and I wanted to take time to go

836
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: to dive into what you're saying. If someone's listening, and

837
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: this is where you get to make lemonade. If someone's

838
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: listening going through this, or their brothers going through their sister,

839
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: or their dad or or their son, or their daughter,

840
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: or their friend, or it's them and they're in that

841
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: dark moment like you'd say, they're in that the Electricians shop,

842
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: sleeping on a couch with a dog with no hope.

843
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: You were there and you remember it, and you did

844
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: not think you're going to be here today. So what

845
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: could you say? What could you possibly say to that person,

846
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: Let's say, well, first off, don't give up. You know,

847
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing there's nothing you can't get through or

848
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: you can't fix is kind of a weird word. I

849
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: don't know about fix. But there's nothing you can't get through.

850
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get through stuff. You don't exactly fix it,

851
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: you get through it, you know what I mean. And

852
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: but don't give up. I couldn't have told you that

853
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: back then. That wouldn't have worked. No, So what do

854
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: you say to that person? Because if I, if I

855
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: came over to a kale, remember, don't give up. You

856
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: probably punched me in the mouth. Well, and we've talked

857
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: about this. I think whether it be adversity or grief,

858
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe like I would have understood it maybe a little

859
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: more if at that time you you had had something

860
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: similar happened, you know what I mean, Like who has

861
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: something similar like to that? But like we always we

862
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: always say, uh, you know, I always tell you one

863
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: drop of empathy is equal to five gallon buck a

864
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: five gallon bucket of sympathy, So you've got the one

865
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: drop equal to five gallon bucket. So I would have

866
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: listened more, you know. So I'm hoping that, hoping someone

867
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: out there who is going through something has watched these

868
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: two episodes and been like, he has gone through some stuff,

869
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: and maybe it'll maybe it'll hit home a little harder.

870
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: It's it's not that what it's not that what you

871
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: said wasn't one hundred percent right and I probably should

872
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: have just listened to you. It was that it was

873
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: that I wasn't listening to you as much as I

874
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: should have. If someone who went through a whole bunch

875
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: of other stuff would have said the same exact thing,

876
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: I probably would have listened more. And that's a funny

877
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: thing about empathy, is that it it hits more. Now

878
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: we share a lot of the same air when it

879
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: comes to grief and hardship. Now I think, I mean,

880
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: it feels not the same exact air, but you know it,

881
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: it's just different. So I'm hoping that when I say

882
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: don't give up, maybe maybe they believe it because you know,

883
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: because of that stuff that have gone through And I'm

884
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the stuff that I went through because

885
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: it today right here today, I'm in a position where

886
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: I can tell people we don't give up. Yeah, And

887
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe they don't give up. If that sounds

888
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: too big of a task for you, maybe it's don't

889
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: give up on today. Yeah, don't give up on what.

890
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: Don't give up on today? What does that mean? Just

891
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: make it through the day. That's all you got to do.

892
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: Don't give up on today. And when things were tough

893
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: for me, sometimes I would have to tell myself, just

894
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: don't give up on this minute, don't give up on

895
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: this hour. Like I don't know what did, I don't

896
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: know where this next breath is going to come from,

897
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: but just don't give up on the current one. Yeah.

898
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: And then somehow, some way, the sun goes down and

899
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: then comes up again the next morning, and then goes

900
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: down again tomorrow, it comes up the day after tomorrow,

901
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: and it just keeps. The rhythm of the earth keeps happening.

902
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: And by don't give up, you're not talking about you're

903
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: on a twenty mile run and you're really tired, you

904
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: want to fall out of the race, And it's not that.

905
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: Just stay here, yeah, just stay just breathe. Yeah, that's

906
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: all it is. You know. I remember reading one time

907
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: the on the the Alcoholic Steps, what's the saying when

908
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: it comes to alcoholics? Anonymous that's like, don't strive for perfection.

909
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: What's that saying, Uh, just strive. I'm gonna get it wrong.

910
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 1: I don't remember paraphrase. It's like, don't strive for don't

911
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: strive for perfection, just strive for something. And before I

912
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: really knew what that meant, I was like, that sounds

913
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: like a cop out. You should always try to be great,

914
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: always strive for greatness, try to be the best, try

915
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: to strive for greatness. That's that's what every Self Helped

916
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: book says on the cover, and Barnes and Noble, being

917
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: your best, try for great But the reality is sometimes

918
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: you just need to strive to just get the day done. Yeah,

919
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: and that that was the victory was making it to

920
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: the next day. So sometimes that can be hard. So

921
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: that don't give up is don't give up. You know

922
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: you it will get better. Do not or try not

923
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: to make things worse. I made my life at that

924
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: point would have been it would have been bad. Losing

925
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: the boys and then finding out about that would have

926
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: been bad. That would have been bad for I think

927
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: I think anybody can agree that would have been pretty

928
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: pretty crappy year. But I made it worse. And you know,

929
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: you may think life couldn't possibly get worse. It could

930
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: all get worse. No matter how low you've dug yourself,

931
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: you could go lower. You know, the every minute to

932
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: minute that my life was then thinking about my brothers

933
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: and then thinking about the betrayal would have been enough,

934
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: but then it was losing brothers, then the betrayal. Okay,

935
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: I gotta go pay this court costs. I gotta go

936
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: do this class. I've got to, you know, ignition, interlock,

937
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: all these different things on top of what happened. So

938
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: if I can tell you one thing, and it is

939
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: my new mantra when it comes to talking to people,

940
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: it is that it's like, don't make it worse because

941
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: you want to get better and you want your life

942
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: to get better, and trust me, it doesn't get better

943
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: if you make it worse with those incredibly stupid decisions.

944
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: Do you love your current wife and your current little boy?

945
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I I couldn't. I did not let

946
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: me rephrase that current wife. Do you love your wife? Yes? Yes,

947
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: I could not imagine my life without her, As weird

948
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: as it sounds. Sometimes I have to remind myself that's

949
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: a different individual, not like half of me feels like that,

950
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: but I have to go. She's she's her own personally,

951
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, we are not. And because that's what it

952
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: feels like. And then and you and you and anyone

953
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: listening that that has something like what you have now.

954
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: You don't have your wife and your little boy without

955
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: the series of events that were so terrible that led

956
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: you to them. Yeah, that goes away. That that joy

957
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: goes away if you lose the suffering. Yeah, the butterfly effect.

958
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: And that is mind blowing and it's very biblical. Also, yeah,

959
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: you it's really hard to I couldn't tell myself back

960
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: then that, Hey, your your life. Okay, Yeah, I know

961
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: you're having a really hard time right now with the boys,

962
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: and then with this happened, But you are going to

963
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: have this knockout of a dame and you're gonna have

964
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: this little kid who looks just like Jack Jack from

965
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: the Incredibles and is twice as crazy. I would have

966
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: been like, what are you even talking about? No, that's

967
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. My life, my

968
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: life is paying, my life is suffering. This keeps happening. Yeah,

969
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believed you. I love that Apostle Paul says

970
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: that suffering creates perseverance. Perseverance creates character, Character creates hope,

971
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: and so basically what he's saying Post Inspired by God

972
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: says that you don't you do not have hope without

973
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: suffering doesn't exist. Hope doesn't exist without first suffering. We

974
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: don't want to suffer as humans, we don't want to,

975
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: but we are required to to have true hope. And

976
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: that is as deep as this podcast you can get.

977
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: But you are the You're the living proof of that

978
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: that through a series of unimaginable suffering, it led you

979
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: to unimaginable hope that you have now in your future

980
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: and your life and your and who you are and

981
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: your purpose. Ultimately Caleb Kelly's purpose on this earth, it

982
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: all came from suffering. Yeah, Yeah, it was just some

983
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: things have to, Like you're saying, some things have to.

984
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: There's one of the rare pigments in paint is this

985
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: bluestone they find in the mountains of Afghanistan, and the

986
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: rarest pigment on Earth is made from this bluestone that

987
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: they have to crush into a fine enough powder to

988
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: turn into paint. So you have to take this bluestone.

989
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: It's absolutely beautiful on its own, but in order you

990
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: can't paint with rock. You can paint rocks, but you

991
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: can't paint with this rock. But they have to crush

992
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: it to this fine powder and then it is one

993
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: of the rarest pigments in paint in the world. But

994
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: it had to be crushed all the way down to

995
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: the finest to lose us to gain that. You hear

996
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: that story repeated so many times. So if you're listening

997
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: to this podcast, if you if you're suffering, and you

998
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: probably are because you're human, hang on, make it through

999
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: this minute, this hour, this week. Just hang on. You

1000
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: don't have to set records on the race. You just

1001
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 1: have to finish. That's it, dude, Thanks for being on again.

1002
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do more. There's so many more road stories.

1003
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: We don't have to get that deep. There's just like

1004
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: one ear Doug stories galore that would be fun to tell.

1005
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: But I think we got to get back to work.

1006
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: We got a a fall launch coming up here, just

1007
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I'm working again. You gotta go work.

1008
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: See you guys,