1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: Friday Morning Colin Coward Podcast. Bill Koer, CBS broadcaster, Steeler 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Coach formerly We'll be joining us in five minutes, but 8 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: it's time for another Friday edition of Fake Questions, Real Answers. Listen. 9 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: I got a lot of answers. I just don't want 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: to wait for people to ask me the questions, so 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask them to myself. Here we go, 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Fake Questions, Real Answers. Dear Colin, you just added a 13 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: boxing podcast to your podcast network. Why Yes, we did. 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: The Chris Mannix Boxing Podcast. Brought it over from Sports Illustrated. 15 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Here's why boxing is growing. UFC and boxing both growing. 16 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: From the Logan Pauls to the Tyson Fury, You're seeing 17 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: more and more people get into it. Like UFC guys, 18 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: Chris Mannix has great connections, great insight, great experience. He's 19 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: great on the gambling side. Of boxing, and the dude 20 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: knows NBA. He can wear a lot of hats for 21 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: us and the people I'm hiring at the volume, I 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: respect their talent, their reputation. Chris Mannox to us was 23 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: a no brainer. Dear Colin, Now that coach K's retiring 24 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: at Duke, what do you think of his career? Was 25 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: his work at Duke the most impressive turnaround you've ever 26 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: seen by a college coach? Great question, it's up there. 27 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to mention somebody who's not as accomplished as 28 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: Mike Shazchewsky, but I still consider it the most amazing 29 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: coaching job in the history of college sports. Bill Snyder 30 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: Kansas State. Okay. When Bill Snyder was hired in nineteen 31 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: eighty eight, Kansas State, in ninety three years of college football, 32 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: had won thirty seven percent of its games. It had 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the most losses of any team in Division One. It 34 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: had won one bowl game ever, the eighty two Independence Bowl, 35 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: which is named that perhaps because it's independent from all 36 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: the other legitimate bowls. This was the worst program in 37 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: the country. They'd not want a conference title in almost 38 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: six decades. They'd not won a game in two years. 39 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: They were owned twenty six and one. Bill Snyder gets 40 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: there very dry personality, middle of nowhere in a conference 41 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: with Texas Oklahoma. In his third year, he had a 42 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: winning record. In his fifth year, they won a bowl game. 43 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, they won the Big Twelve. 44 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: They upset number one Oklahoma. In his first seventeen year stint, 45 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: he won as many games one hundred and thirty six. 46 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: That's as many games as his predecessors had won in 47 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: fifty five years at the school. He retired, they went 48 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: back to sucking. He came back in two thousand and 49 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: nine and they went on another long successful run. Bill 50 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Snyder does not have coach K Saban Wooden that legacy. 51 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: But let's be honest. Alabama football, Ucla basketball dukes in 52 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: a wonderful part of the country at prestigious university Kansas State. 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's a town Manhattan, Kansas you would not 54 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: want your car to break down in. That's the most 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: impressive thing I've ever seen by any coach ever. Dear Colin, 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: I saw your employer, Fox Sports is bringing the USFL back. 57 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: What do you think of the move? Well, I like 58 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: it obviously. Fox has a pretty clear mission. I'm not 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: going to speak for Fox, but it's football gambling in politics, 60 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: if for no other reason than the USFL is spring 61 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: gambling on sports. It's good, but this is something that 62 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: needs to be said. Football is not only the most 63 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: viewed sport in America, it's not close. Thirty nine percent 64 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: of all sports viewership is football, and it by far 65 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: and away has the shortest season, the seventeen games per team. 66 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: Basketball is second at fifteen percent, but Basketball's got four 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: and a half times the number of games, Baseball nine 68 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: times the number of games. So the reality is Fox 69 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: sold off to Disney a big chunk of their company. 70 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: What they didn't sell off is gambling football and politics. 71 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: That appears to be the mission of Fox Broadcasting. Dear Colin, 72 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: who's the one superstar you didn't spot when he was 73 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: coming up through the ranks? Listen, I've joked before that 74 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: Maryland had a player named Juan Dixon. I was absolutely 75 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: sure he was gonna be great. He fizzled out in 76 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: two years. Kevin Durant is the most shocking superstar. So 77 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: he comes out of Texas. He plays for a year now, 78 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: he was a score. He average like twenty six a 79 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: game in college Texas one year. He could shoot, so 80 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: there was no question he was gonna make the league 81 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: and score. But he could not bench. He was seven 82 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: feet tall. He could not bench, not joking, one hundred 83 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: eighty five pounds. I was a sportscaster in my forties. 84 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: I could and I'm thinking to myself, it'd be one thing. 85 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 1: If you're a guard going against guards. He's a four. 86 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: He's gonna get pushed all over the floor. They're gonna 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: push him all over the floor. He'll be a guy 88 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: who scores a bunch of points. But I would have 89 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: never dreamed Kevin Durant would have become actually a pretty 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: damn good defender. And though he is sinewy, he's actually 91 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: pretty strong, So I have no problem acknowledging I would 92 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: have never guessed Kevin Durant would be viewed by many 93 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: as the second best player in the league, probably by most, 94 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: and the first best scorer in the league pure score 95 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: in the last ten years. All right, let's get to 96 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: Bill Kauer, former Steelers coach. It's got a new book 97 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: out called Heart and Steel, and you're going to see 98 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: a side of him most people never get to see, 99 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: sort of an intimate look at his family life and 100 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: how it connected with football's great stories from his early 101 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: days with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I should mention this, 102 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: you know, when I was eight, nine, ten, eleven years 103 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: old falling in love with football like a kid. The 104 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: AFC was basically Don Shula's Dolphins, the Raids, and the 105 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. They dominated football. The Washington at the time Redskins, 106 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: the Washington football team were very prominent, had George Allen 107 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the coach. Dallas was pretty good. Roger Staubach the Ams, 108 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: actually I remember being interesting. But the Packers when I 109 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: was young stunk seventies eighties. They were irrelevant. The Steelers 110 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: then transitioned from Chuck Noll's great years to kind of 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: a mess when he left and they handed over to 112 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Bill Coward. He joined us now on the Colin Coward podcast. Bill, 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: there's only two great football coaches in my life that 114 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: have retired. And I thought they had at least ten 115 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: years left if they wanted to. Bob Stoops for Oklahoma 116 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and you and I've asked Stoops more than once, isn't 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: there the juice? Just the college the big games? And 118 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: he said, not really like I did it, And I'm 119 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: proud of it, and I have a life beyond that. Bill, 120 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I'll ask you the same question, the juice of it 121 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: leading men, teaching, mentoring. Has there been a moment where 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: you thought, you know, I'm still pretty quick, I could 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: win in this league. Yeah. It's so funny, callum, because 124 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: since I had stepped down, really at the age of 125 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: forty nine, you know, I've been asked that question, has 126 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: been approached multiple times about numerous amount of jobs, and 127 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: really I just go back to the same thing. When 128 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: I did step down at the time, it was because 129 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: of family and as I wrote this book, the Memoir 130 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: of the Heart and Steal memoir that I wrote, what 131 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: you're going to see. If I did not want to 132 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: write a football book, I needed to write a book. 133 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: It was football, family and one a life's journey of 134 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: lessons learning, and that's what this book is really about. 135 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: And I think if you get to know me, as 136 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: this book will show you on the inside, you'll see 137 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: that I walked away for those reasons. And from that standpoint, 138 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: do I miss it. Absolutely. I missed the competitiveness, I 139 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: missed Sundays. I mean, I miss strategizing. I loved you know, 140 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: competing against offenses and Mike Shanahan and Mike Holgren and 141 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: try to find a way to get to this quarterback 142 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: and bring one extra defender than con block with, and 143 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: so making those adjustments working with players. I did not 144 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: miss the lifestyle. The lifestyle was such at a time 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: that with my wife where she was, she was not 146 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: a good place. I stepped down because Stanley was more 147 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: important to meet in football. Obviously, it did not work 148 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: out the way that we wanted it too. She passed 149 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: away three years later, and it's their detailed into this 150 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: book that you know in my new life with my 151 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: new wife that I have more balanced in my life 152 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: than they've ever had. Do I miss it absolutely? I 153 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: missed Sundays, I miss even teaching, miss training camp. I 154 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: just don't miss the lifestyle of living in a bubble, 155 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: particularly today when you live in in this social media 156 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: world where everything you do, everything you say is going 157 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: to be recorded. Listen. Built you got, you know, we 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: think of the Steelers as this endless machine of wins, 159 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: but you took over Pittsburgh and that was not the case. 160 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: They needed to be rebuilt, and you got a little 161 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: bit of a break that both both newspapers were on 162 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: strike when you took over, and so it gave you 163 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: a little space to get this puppy turned around. If 164 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: you took over today, would you have had your run 165 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: even with the loyal Steelers. Yeah, you know, I think Colin, 166 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: which is a great question, because I do think that 167 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: there was There wasn't a platform report A lot of 168 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the challenges that we inherited and that we had to 169 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: overcome in terms of our new staff and communication and 170 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: players getting to trust each other and doing the things 171 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: and trying to change the culture, and particularly in that 172 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: first training camp, and it was it was challenging. It 173 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: was challenging for everybody because we were coming into a 174 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: place that had not been in the class one time 175 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: in the previous seven years, and you know, we're trying 176 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: to change that culture and so um, yeah, a lot 177 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: of trying to burnt putting our fires that that would 178 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: have been created because of the social media and the 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: trans parents to deal with which the world lives in today. 180 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: It did give us a little bit of being able 181 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: to work through it, and by the time they came 182 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: back with one of a few games, it kind of 183 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: gotten into the other side of it. So I still 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: think it's about a culture, is about surrounding yourself with people, 185 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: and I think like you having to make some of 186 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: those tough decisions. And I was blessed to go into 187 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: an organization and a family and the Rooneys that really 188 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: was about family and I learned that very quickly. And 189 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: NBA mentored by Monty Schotenheimer, so I think was one 190 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: of the great coaches in the National Football day. We 191 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: think about what he did consistently year in year out. 192 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: Growing up in Pittsburgh and going back to my hometown, 193 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: it was really kind of a storybook thing. I just 194 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: didn't want to screw it up. That was my first time. 195 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: My first thoughts going back there is inheriting this team 196 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: and what the expectation level was and what the tradition was, 197 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: and but yeah, I would have been challenging. I think 198 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: in today's world. You know, Bill, you were tough but 199 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: really liked, and there's a fine line between harsh and 200 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: kind of loving, like you could really even with officials, 201 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: you can be on them, but you don't want to 202 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: be too on them because they're human, and that offside, 203 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: you know that holding calm may not go your way. 204 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: What was that a struggle or do you think you 205 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: inherit that from your father and your family that you 206 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: could be really intense but yet a players coach, Yeah, 207 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: and you know this is so far coming. Thank you 208 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: for asking a question, because it really was one that 209 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: It's what I did when I got between the lines. 210 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to win at all costs. I got between 211 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: the lines. I told our players, I want you to 212 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: have a passion and a confidence orderline cockins, I'll pull 213 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you back. I want you to push yourself or where 214 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: you go out there, you think you're the best player 215 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: on that field, I will hold you account. If I 216 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: feel like you're getting selfish, or I feel like you 217 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: can be disrespectful to the game, or to the opponent, 218 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: or even to your teammates. That's my job to pull 219 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: you back if you have to respect them. We're not 220 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: always willing to agree. I'm going to make you uncomfortable 221 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: because for me to make you uncomfortable, I'm gonna push 222 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: you to be as good as you can be. I'm 223 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: not going to disgrace you, disrespect you. I've never walked 224 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: in your shoes, so I did treat them like my 225 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: own kids. I had three girls at home I had 226 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: fifty two boys at work and I just said to them, 227 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: you know we went out there that let's play the 228 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: game and have fun. Let's also plan on winning it all. 229 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Because my father taught me three things Colinis grew up. 230 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: Number One, don't quit. You quit once, you'll quit again. 231 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Number Two, work harder than the other guy. And working 232 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: hard doesn't mean what you're doing when people are watching. 233 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: It's what you're willing to do and sacrifice when people 234 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: aren't watching. And number three, don't be intimidated by anyone 235 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: or anything. Self confidence. It's hard for others to believe 236 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: in you if you don't believe in yourself. So that's 237 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: my upbringing with my father who pushed me, a mother 238 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: who nurtured me. But you know what what I did 239 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: on the field, that's what I did for a living. 240 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: I was off the field. It wasn't why ADD was 241 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: as a man. I think if you read a spoke 242 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: you'll see that. 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Three daughters. Have you ever thought, 271 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: even though you coached men, there was something you gained 272 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: from daughters that helped you as a coach with men. 273 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: There's no question about that. As I said, going through 274 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: this book with Michael, Holly was a very good collaborator. 275 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: You know, went to play Park College, which is in Pittsburgh, 276 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: grew up in northeast Ohio. As we went through this 277 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I don't want to write 278 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: a football book. Michael, I said, I want to write 279 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: a book that's more about family and about life and 280 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, in leadership. And he said, well, let's do 281 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: it this way. Let's write it chronologically. And so as 282 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: we went through this thing chronologically allowed me to go 283 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: through my periods of life. As I realized its stepped 284 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: back the mentors, my father, Marty Schotenheimer, Dan Rooney. They 285 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: were amazing men. But the one thing that they had 286 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: was they had confident, strong, nurturing wise. My mom was 287 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: that way with my dad. How many times she told me, oh, Billy, 288 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: don't worry, it's just your father. All of a sudden, 289 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: I sit there and get I get married to T. K. 290 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, K to me is the 291 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: backbone of of us. We met in college. She played 292 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: professional basketball. You know, she ran the household. I come 293 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: home from being the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. 294 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: I walk in there, don't touch the thermostat, and you're 295 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: gonna take this. You're gonna take Langy to back practice. 296 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: And here's the sandwich along the way. But okay, I 297 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: got the drafts in five days. Then take your notebooks 298 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: with you. You're gonna sit in the couple. So I 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: wasn't even a corn nagger. The girls would be telling 300 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: me what to do. So I went from there to there, 301 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: and she was the backbone of our family. And then 302 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden she passed away, and I meeting 303 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: my wife today, who was a musician, and all of 304 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, she now comes into this blood of film 305 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: and three daughters who are all strong confident, nurturing women, 306 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and she blunted herself into something that I think that 307 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: she could write a manuscript. When you read the book 308 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: and talk about that it was our tough times. It 309 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: was as I looked back as I did this book, 310 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: as you just said, behind behind every mentor of mine, 311 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: my father, Marty and Dan Roodey, there was a nurturing, strong, 312 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: confident women, my mom, Pat Schattenheimer and Pat Rooney, and 313 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: I met them all. I used to tell to talk 314 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: to my wife Kay at the time what it was 315 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: like to be the wife of the head coach when 316 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: it's time to let him go and do his thing, 317 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: and when it's time to ring them back in. And 318 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that's the balance that I needed. 319 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: And my three girls at home calling women in my 320 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: life have been an integral part of my success. There's 321 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: a new wave of general managers who do a lot 322 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: more trading than the old guys. There's a new wave 323 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: of coaches Sean McVay who doesn't want to play any 324 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: of his starters in the preseason. One of the reasons 325 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: I like this. I'm a big believer in adapting and 326 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: that rigidity has killed more careers than anything and football 327 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: is so popular in America that there's an insatiable appetite 328 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: from the fans. NFL adds another game, college football adds 329 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: a second recruiting date for coaches, and it's really puncturing 330 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: the quality of life of the football coaches. And as 331 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: we add a seventeenth game, as I hear you talk 332 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: about your family, I think to myself, you talked about 333 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: life balance. Jimmy Johnson once told me this. Jimmy's a friend. 334 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: Then he said, listen, man, when you coach football, you 335 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: have to be all in. I had to retire. I couldn't. 336 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: I couldn't do both lives. And do you ever worry? 337 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: I like these Sean McVeagh guys that say, no, there's 338 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: new rules, you don't have to play any starters in 339 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: the preseason. And then he goes eight Noah's first year 340 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: because everybody said you got you gotta play your starters. 341 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: He's like, no, not really, I'm not going to. And 342 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: I do see this evolution from young gms and young 343 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: coaches pushing back on what you quote have to do. 344 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Do you think sometimes football is so popular that we 345 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: don't consider the human element. I'm an element for our 346 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: coaches to the quality of their lives now more games, 347 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: more playoffs, more camps. It really is not is not 348 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: the directive. It's not where we should be going. I 349 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a directive, they'll call and that's 350 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a personal choice. And I 351 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: go back and I just said it from the standpoint. 352 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: Then you know you're adding one more game, it's one 353 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: more week, and yeah, you still have this offseason and 354 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: there's the draft that's going to then you get prepared 355 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: for and there's a combine which we now are pulling 356 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: back on OTA which you know, give or taken. I know, 357 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: for me, we had OTAs come out and I go 358 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: to some I wouldn't go to others. You know, I 359 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: used to sit there during the course of the season 360 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: and schedule my press coffice based on the basketball schedule 361 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: of my daughters. I think the biggest thing coaches have 362 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: to do is just realized it's not how many hours 363 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you spend at the office, it's your ability to delegate, 364 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: your ability to be efficient with the time that's there. 365 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: A lot of times it's just you know, it's paralysis 366 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: by analysis. You know, you can sit there and overanalyze something. Really, 367 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: if you know the game, have been the game as 368 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: long as I was, I know there's so many times 369 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: it's well document I put it in defense and not 370 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl, I kind of wait a little 371 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: bit too late that it's probably a little bit way 372 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: to put it in. But we call it thirty three 373 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: times and we won thirty over. And my point is 374 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: is that we could overhanalyze stump. And there's so many 375 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: hours you put in. It's a quality of hours you 376 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: put in, and if you don't can't get away from it, 377 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: you're not going to be as good at it. And 378 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: so I just think it comes to a personal choice 379 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: of having the balance in your life what air on 380 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: that balance may be, because it's also important for the 381 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: players to have that same balance in life. They know 382 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I want you engage when you're there. But if I 383 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: keep pushing you to do something, to keep doing more 384 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: and more and you're not engaged and I don't care 385 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: about you as a person, I'm going to lose you 386 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: as a player. So they have to know you care 387 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: about them as a person first. And that was the 388 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: first thing that I ought to do, is I understood 389 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: that because mister Rooney always asked me about my family, 390 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: So I asked the players, how is everything at home? 391 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: How's your wife, how are the kids? How are your parents? 392 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: And then you, by the way, you played pretty good 393 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: last Sunday. Yeah, so it's like, you know, it's the 394 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: priority that you have a certain things. I think it 395 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: starts with leadership and being able to have that directive 396 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: of making sure that get those coaches out of there. 397 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: My friend, I don't want anybody in there get out 398 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: of here. So you know, we'll get it done. We'll 399 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: be efficient. But it's not because of the first one 400 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: in and the last one to league is what's going 401 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: to win games on Sunday? You know, you took over 402 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: the Steelers and you didn't have an elite quarterback. Then 403 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: you get Ben and you know Jay glazerows jokes, being 404 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: a coach is a miserable life if you don't when 405 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: you drive to the stadium on Sunday and you're like, 406 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: we don't have the horses, Like we don't have it. 407 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: But but how did Ben just change the temperature of 408 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: the room, not only among the player's bill, the confidence 409 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: of the coaches. Things you could do like he changes, 410 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: Like that's what Brady does the Tampa. He changes the room. 411 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: And you know, Bruce arians like you, is a people person. 412 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: Bruce immediately understands the value of listening to Tom. A partnership. 413 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: Let's grow together. So go back to year before Ben, 414 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: then Ben and kind of that situe. I mean, take 415 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: me through that for you, that journey, the journey of quarterbacks, 416 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: going from Neil O'Donnell, who was a very good quarterback. 417 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: He was the perfect guy. He beat up Bobby Brister 418 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: and he was the guy for us at the time. 419 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: Even though we lost in the Super Bowl in nineteen 420 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: ninety five, we did not sign him back. We had 421 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: drafted Cordell Stewart. Cordell happened to be one of the 422 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: better receivers we had in the team. I asked him 423 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: to kind of just wait a couple of years, please 424 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: please Slash from me, which means I'm not going to 425 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: take way to quarterback. You're still quarterbacks slash either, So 426 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you Slash. And that's how he got 427 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: the name. And then he took over in ninety seven. 428 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: We want to Run, went to the championship game in 429 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: ninety seven, got back his first year, and then we 430 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: get back there. In two thousand and one a championship game, 431 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: we just could not get over the hump because we 432 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: really didn't have much margin of air. Now, I think 433 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: it's the one thing where you don't have a quarterback 434 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: that can't make plays that are off script, you don't 435 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: have margin air. We had to make sure that we 436 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: were playing great on defense, we had any great special teams. 437 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: In two thousand and one championship game we lost in 438 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: New England Patris. They returned to punt for a touchdown 439 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: and blocked the field before a touchdown, so there was 440 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: no margin are the one thing that Ben gave us 441 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: and I realized that when he came one of his 442 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: first fifteen games, he came in and gave us his 443 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: degree of a guy out there who could make plays 444 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: that weren't scripted improvisation. Wow, that's one of the first 445 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: guys I had. It's okay, now almost two a fault. 446 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: We'd come in at times and he's won his twelfth 447 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: game in a row and pullmat Ben, can't do this, 448 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: can't do that. Not staying here and go through your 449 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: progressions because someone so is open. But he'd go outside 450 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: the pocket and play street ball. And throw the ball 451 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: across the field of plex, go burst and here we 452 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: go first and goal with the one. Here we go 453 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: in and score, and I'd go, you can't do it. 454 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: Didn't walk out and just here we just won this 455 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: twelfth straight game. And look at me. We won, right, Coach? 456 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: I go, yeah, we want, but just understand what I'm 457 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: trying to say to you. I get done with Dell 458 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: Whizz and Whizz going there. He complained to Whiz about 459 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: me getting on him, and I said, Wiz, make sure 460 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: you also tell him I'm really not that mad. Don't 461 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: stop what you're doing. I've just probably get something to 462 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: resonating his head. But please have him continue to have 463 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: fun playing the game of football. And they say, don't worry, 464 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: I'll deal with coach. So we had to play good 465 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: cop backcut for like the first three years with him. Wow, 466 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: he did. He did give you, like I said, he 467 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: gave you that guy that when the game was on 468 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: the line, he was gonna find a way to get done. 469 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: And that's what you could see in his eyes. He 470 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: was at flooding. He was smart, he could see the field, 471 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: he could make all the throws, and he was really 472 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: really competitive and so it was kind of for the 473 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: first time having a guy who had all the tools 474 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: that guy's had good you know, good ones. It was 475 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: great in the pocket cord all Canick plays on the run, 476 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, Tommy Max was perfect as an intermediate guy. 477 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Again a pocket guy, but this guy could be a 478 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: pocket guy. He could shake off rushers. He also could 479 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: get out. He could see the field or anybody that 480 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: I had played with him, like, wow, he actually went 481 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: from here to here. I don't think he knows that 482 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: he did that, but it was actually the right thing 483 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: to do. So but it was it was fun coaching him, 484 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: challenging because I was trying to do the right thing 485 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: with them, and you know, but yeah, he was. He 486 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: on Sundays when Ben was out there in the fourth 487 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: quarter and he went the boat in someone's hands to 488 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: bring it back. He was the guy built um a 489 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: lot of Jimmy Johnson loved his hand in personnel. He 490 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: liked it. Not all coaches do. Pete Carroll, you know, 491 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: like like he's what they all the walk around coach. 492 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Pete coaches coaches, but he does like he likes personnel. 493 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting about that some coaches are all 494 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: in there's a story in your book you almost cut 495 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: James Harrison, and it's funny about personnel. Did the Steelers 496 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: are so well run? You're a young coach, and when 497 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: you're a young coach, as you said earlier to me 498 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: in the interview, didn't want to screw it up? This 499 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: is your team? Did Was it hard for you? Did 500 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you want grab everything? Was it harder as a young 501 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: coach to be Lane Kiffin once told me this at college. 502 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: He's like, you only get one USC, I can't screw 503 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: this up. So it was hard for him to let 504 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: the OC call plays and let let the running backs 505 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: coach do it. Did you struggle with that with a 506 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: young coach and lesso as an old coach, the ability 507 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: to delegate. No, I think I got better at it 508 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: call and I think the biggest thing I do when 509 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: I first got there is I got my hands into everything. 510 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: We were involved with Plan B at the time, I 511 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: was working with Tom Donna and I worked with him 512 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: on the draft. The coaches got involved with the draft, 513 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: and it really was a very collaborative effort that we 514 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: had in terms of it. And I loved the draft. 515 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: It was it was like a game day it's like 516 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: you planned for it and all of a sudden it unfolds. 517 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: It's about who can make in game adjustments to the 518 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: course of what you want to come out of draft 519 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: with and what's available. And if I can go get 520 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: troll potty pot model, let me talk to it to 521 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I know Carl, and so it's just like 522 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: so it was it was. I love that, and I 523 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: love being able to make calls in the course of 524 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: the game. But I let my offensive coordinator, outside of 525 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: one game that I was there for fifteen years, he 526 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: called the game. I just said, TONI listen, if I 527 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: called play, which I knew what they were doing, don't 528 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: question me. If it works, you called it. If it 529 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: didn't work, I'll take the responsibility. And defensively, I was 530 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: involved with every game plan, but I always let the 531 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: coordinators coach, and I coached the coaches, and I would 532 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: go around everywhere else and I stand around and I 533 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: would just be able to, you know, kind of assess 534 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere of who I thought our team was. 535 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: Our players will tell you when I got quiet, they 536 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: knew that I was about ready to say, let's start 537 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: this practice over again. So um, you know, sometimes you said, 538 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, I guess you guys didn't realize that 539 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: we do have the pads. Only thinks that we're not 540 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: playing with pads on. So let's start that nine on 541 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: seven over again, and let me see make sure that 542 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: we're ready to play this week. Now, play the Ravens, 543 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: no pads that whole week. I wouldn't worry about anything 544 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: like it hit that that week they were going to 545 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: hit the Baltimore Ravens. That was That was a intensive 546 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: robbalry that we had, but it was it was overseeing 547 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: things and learning to delegate was something I think that 548 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: I got better at. Really is more than I coached. 549 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: And again because of the building that we were in 550 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: with Dan Rooney, he promoted collaboration. He wasn't There wasn't 551 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: no lines of a delineation about whose responsibility was this, 552 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: this or this. It was us all working together. We 553 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: get into a room, we didn't always all agree, and 554 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: we came out and we all agreed that that was 555 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: the final choice that we made. You have situations now 556 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: where players can be more political, NFL, NBA players have 557 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: more power. Aaron Rodgers. Essentially, I don't want to play 558 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: for green Bay, everything has changed. This was always an 559 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: owner gm coaches league. The NBA was more of a 560 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: players league that was understood. The CBA is stronger in 561 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: the NBA. How do you think you would have adapted 562 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: to those challenges with social media players in power, bigger salaries, 563 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: like like like the Green Bay situation, what would Matt lafloora. 564 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just stuck in the middle here. Yeah, 565 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: but we're sitting here right now. I think the biggest 566 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: thing that I always used to say, let's be careful 567 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: about saying and doing things in the offseason, because I 568 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: think that's a lot of things can get miss read 569 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of times I think the noise on 570 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: the outside of a lot greater than annoys on the inside. 571 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: People tend to make a lot of you know, they 572 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: perceive things to be a certain way that they're really not, 573 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: and I think you'll be careful not to overreact to that. 574 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, social media had just come in and call 575 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: it in my last couple of years, as I said 576 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: to them, listen, wrong with this together, and there's no 577 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: need to use any kind of platform to discuss what 578 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: you're like, what you like or if you're concerned about 579 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: something or bothered by something. I said, I haven't open 580 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: door policy. I will not sit here and talk about 581 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: any individual thing publicly, which I never did. I talked 582 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: about units, never talked about people. I said, But you 583 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: come in and just understand one thing. If you asked 584 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: me a tough question, to be ready for the tough answer. 585 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: If you're asking why you're not playing, let's say, because 586 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't think you're our best option right now? Why 587 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: can I do to do that better? Show me and 588 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: prove me that you are a better option than what 589 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: we're playing with. And so is that unfair? I don't 590 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: think so. Is that what you want to hear? Probably not? 591 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: Did you like it? Probably not? But you have to 592 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: least respect it, and so um I would listen. You 593 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: can vent Tommy Madgs vented, as he's read in a book, 594 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: after I drafted Devin Rothensburg, he told me you we're 595 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: going to draft the quarterback. Why didn't know he was 596 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: going to drop that? Well, okay, so happened, all right? 597 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: So and you know, deal with it. Show me the 598 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: compare that you are play and see what's gonna happen. 599 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 1: You know? So, And I think guys like Aaron Rodgers. 600 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: When when When? When Champ Gailey Lesson left in nineteen 601 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: ninety seven, I talked the Cordell Seward. He had his 602 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: best year. Yet let's talk about who do you want 603 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: to I'm bringing some guys in him Ray Sherman, and 604 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: I like Ray. Okay, it's high Ray. Ray didn't work out. 605 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: He moved on to somebody else. So you know, the 606 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: players were always will still be a part of it. 607 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing between pros and college rod 608 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Wooson would walk off the field need a blitzmore. Okay, hey, 609 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: don we need a blitzmore. Rodgers said he could do it, 610 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: so I said, hey, you listen at the pro level. 611 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest difference I saw between 612 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: college coaches and pro coaches. The college coach says something, 613 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: you do it. The players will not question it because 614 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: they're in college. The pro coach, you say something, they're 615 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: going to say why. So you got to say, oh, 616 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: this is what I'm thinking, Like, I can do it 617 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: this way. Okay, we'll try it your way, but it 618 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: doesn't work your way. You gotta do it my way. 619 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: So you have to be able to listen to them, 620 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 1: work with them, get them to learn to trust you. 621 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing I said. And I was 622 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: blessed enough to go right from playing to coaching at 623 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: the professional level thanks to Marty Schottenheimer. And I saw 624 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: that in how he dealt with players. I mean, preparation 625 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: was everything to him. And I always wanted to make 626 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: our practices when he got the Sunday, that was gonna 627 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: be easier than it was during the course of the week. 628 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Sundays we will be like, thank goodness, we got the Sunday. 629 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: So that was what we try to create. So I 630 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: think the players are pretty much the same. Honestly. They 631 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: want a sense of structure. It wants a sense of 632 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: direction and people to be held accountable. And so I 633 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: think right now you have great players like Karon Rodgers. 634 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: Listen to him. Just pull him in. If you're gonna 635 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: draft someone, tell him you're going to draft them. Okay, 636 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: talk with them, you know, so just let him No, 637 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: that would be a part of it. He's a guy 638 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: who's out there throwing These guy's gonna be winning your 639 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: championships or not. It's not you on the sideline. You 640 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: don't step between the lines. The players do respect that 641 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, who I've known for years, is a curious 642 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: guy and smart, So I do think that gives him 643 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: a great chance to succeed. And Trevor Lawrence is an 644 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: insane talent. The Tebow situation is interesting, Bill because it 645 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: feels a little collegiate. To me, I'm a little and 646 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: I love Urban. Do you worry that? The question with 647 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: Urban isn't that he's smart enough, it's that does he 648 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: understand the sensibility of the pro game. The Tebow move 649 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: feels almost collegiate or am I missing it? No? You know, 650 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: I think he's got he's got a young quarterback coming 651 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: into the National Football League. I think he's picking a 652 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: guy that you talk about Tim Tebow, preparation, love of game, unselfish, 653 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: he has all those things. What he just didn't have 654 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: as a quarterback was a skill set that that Trevor 655 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: Lawrence has. So I even though he's playing tight end, 656 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: he's just trying to surround him with a guy that 657 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: has that passionate commitment understanding like I've been here, this 658 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: is what it's like to play in the NFL. And 659 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think Urban feels comfortable to me. 660 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: He's like a guy's like a little bridge between Urban 661 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: and Trevor. He does. Urban has not really anybody else 662 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: on that team, even on the other quarterbacks. They're going 663 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: to know him well. Tim Tebow knows knows Erban and 664 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: so urbans his voice a little bit into the ear 665 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: of Trevor without him being just him. So it's like 666 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: just reinforce the message because the players have to reinforce 667 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: the message. The players have to take control of that 668 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: locker room. And what he's trying to do is bringing 669 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: some people that he can trust and he knows now 670 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: Yah Tito has to also prove his worth or his 671 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: word won't need anything in that locker room. You know, 672 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: if players are doing the one thing you can player, 673 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: you can't, right you can complaining you can't. And so 674 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: Ebertmicking has a tight end and Bey had an integral 675 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: party of the contribution otherwise is input and his leadership 676 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: would be kind of it will fall on deaf ears 677 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: unless you show that you can play at a high level. 678 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, a couple of questions left built the league 679 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: has got used to be there. You're good friends with Belichick. 680 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: We find that out in the book, and that they 681 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: used to be. In my world, it felt like the 682 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: league was mostly defensive coaches. I could be wrong, but 683 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: it just feels in the seventies eighties, Bill Walsh was like, Wow, 684 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: this guy's all offense. Now the tables have turned the game, 685 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: the regulations, the rules really favor the offense. Is Yet 686 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: there are coaches, you know, Pete Carroll, Mike Tomlin. You 687 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: know they're thriving. But when you look at the game today, 688 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: does it concern you as a defensive coach that virtually 689 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: every rule is puncturing what you'd like to do well? 690 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: I would probably have a really tough time adjusting to 691 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: today's game. And I would throw another guy that's in 692 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: there that I think has got a grant futures, Brian Fords. 693 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: He's a defensive minding coach as well. And I still 694 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: think that being a head coach, it's not about whether 695 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: it's offense or defense. It's not being able to relate 696 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: to the players, get the players to trust you, and 697 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: making sure you surround yourself with a good staff. If 698 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: you're an offensive guy, make sure your defensive coinator as 699 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: a guy you can trust. He's established. He's a guy 700 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: who don't have credibility who walks into that room. Same thing. 701 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: If you're an offensive coach and you're doing that, you're 702 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: still going to be the head coach. You still have 703 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: to have, you know, your fingerprint in my opinion, on 704 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: all three phases. Now you get the guys like Andy 705 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: Reid and and he's the greatest. He's got Steve Spagnola, 706 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: who was also a head coach. Just why he's going 707 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: on the other side, and all of a sudden they 708 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl one one why he went 709 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: on got Steve Spagnola to really unite with him. So 710 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: that combination of having a coordinator that you can trust 711 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: on the other side, and you can turn that over 712 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: so that as you see Sean McVeagh over there talking 713 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: to his quarterback, Bowlers defense is out there playing. That's fine, 714 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: but that's what you're gonna have. But you ought at 715 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: some point too, through the course of time and through 716 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: the course of sustainability, you have to have your pulse 717 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: on all three phases because if you don't, you're gonna 718 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: let one get away from you and it's gonna be 719 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: too late to pull it back in. So I always 720 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to my team as an offense, defense 721 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: special teams. As a head coach. They knew I was 722 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: a defensive guy, and the offensive guys knew that as well. 723 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: And I think so I don't think that even though 724 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: the game is cater with the offense, and I think 725 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: from Roger Goodell's standpoint, I give him credit. It's a 726 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: safer game now and it's ever been. It's an entertaining 727 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: it's entertaining. I mean, we see the high points. We 728 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: love the high points. I still like the fact of 729 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: running the football. Love point games still intrigued me. I'm 730 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: old school guy. But you know what that's was great 731 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: about the game of football. There's so many different ways 732 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: that to have things. Things work to go in cycles 733 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: are cyclical. So you know, right now we're training in 734 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: one way. But a few years ago Bill Belichick wanting 735 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: with defense and ran the football. So I mean, you 736 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: know when Tom Brady didn't have anything else and he 737 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: didn't have any weapons around it, so but he had 738 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: a guy in that quarterback, he had Josh McDaniel who 739 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: was right there with him. So you know, there's so 740 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: many different ways. That's why I love the game calling 741 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: of football and strategizing and of getting to the end 742 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: there's so many different roadmaps of ways of getting there 743 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: that that's the thing. That's why it's so intriguing. What 744 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: impresses you most about Belichick? Your friend? His respect for 745 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: the game, his love of the game, he's under standing up, 746 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: he's a historian of it. Um. You know, Bill and 747 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: I just go a way back, and you know we 748 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: we were we were friends. I mean, he offered me 749 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: a job to go there in nineteen eighty nine. I 750 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: decided to go with Marty Schottenheimer built ourselves and called 751 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: me and we ended up. I ended up coaching linebackers. 752 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: I've been coaching secondary Billings the point A Secondary and 753 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: had the coaching linebackers. We meet together in Giant Stadium 754 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: and spend a day of giving back and forth, and 755 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: we're friends. Eighty nine ninety next to No. Ninety one, 756 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: we're both competing for Cleveland Brian's head coaching job. He's 757 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: just coming over off the Super Bowl win. He gets 758 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: a job. I still stay in Kansas City. The next year, 759 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: I go to Pittsburgh. We go from friends the adversary 760 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: very very um and from that time on it was 761 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: pretty much that way. But there was a there was 762 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: a mutual respect, you know, I just I love competing 763 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: against him. You know. It was just like, you know, 764 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: I still have a winning record against Bill if you 765 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: look at our head to head. I got a lot 766 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: of winsers in Cleveland. Then he got this guy named 767 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, he've gotten away, so you know, but I 768 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: just respect the way he keeps taking different teams and 769 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: winning different ways. He doesn't put a system in and 770 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: try to get players around him. He adapts systems to 771 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: who he has, and so I respect that. He's a 772 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: very's They're humbling when they win, they're humble. You canna 773 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: say what you want about it. I learned that about him. 774 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: I learned how to speak to the media. They're Bill Parcels. 775 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: You know. He does a great job of messaging the 776 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: team through the media, So Bill Bill Parcels messaging the 777 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: team through the media. Bill Belichick the way of like, 778 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: you know what, it doesn't matter what we did last week. 779 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: It's the next game we have going on. Don't get 780 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: caught up in it. And I remember that being a 781 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: big part of us winning fifteen going fifteen and one 782 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: day year he beat them, and I just remember I 783 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: kept thinking about how he had done it before. Is 784 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm just gonna win this one 785 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: game at a time. We're lucky we got by there. No, 786 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: we gotta do some some things better or we're not 787 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: going to win next week. So it was just never 788 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: get caught up in the moment or the emotion of 789 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 1: the moment, good or bad. Bill, It's a pleasure talking 790 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: to you. I think you do a great job. You 791 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: have a real presence on television, and I think that's 792 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: actually a really important factor in coaches. Mike Tomlin has 793 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: a presence. You have a presence. There's I think Sean McVay, 794 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: for young coach has a presence. When you go back 795 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: and look at your career, what would make you proudest 796 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: if somebody had never watched you coach, They just heard 797 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: this guy was a great football coach. As a coach, 798 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,760 Speaker 1: how do you want to be viewed as a coach? 799 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: I gave everything I had. I love the game. I 800 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: wore my emotions on my sleeve. I feel like I 801 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: tried not to disrespect anybody along the way, although my 802 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: actions at times got the best of me. I'll be 803 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: the first one to admit that I was wrong at times. 804 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: I respected the game and I know that the game 805 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: would go on went on before me, and when it 806 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: would go on after me. But you know what, every 807 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: week we were going to come out and play hard, 808 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: and our players played hard. Our coaches, coaches are coached, 809 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: are buy off. We try to do things the right way. 810 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: We made every game personal as much as we could. 811 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: That's how I grew up in Pittsburgh. I didn't like losing. 812 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: I love competing. I wanted to do it the right way. 813 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 1: And doing it the right way was having the right 814 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: priorities in life. If you look at me and what 815 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: I did in my career, it was a part of 816 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: what my life was about, but it wasn't my whole life. 817 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: Family and faith was a big part of it as well. 818 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: And so it's all said and done. I had three daughters, 819 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: two boys. I came from a football team and mister 820 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: Rooney where it was about family, and handed him that 821 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: trophy on that day. To know what, I whispered in 822 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: his ear? What did you say to him? I said, 823 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: the rosary beads that you gave me it to begin 824 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs are still in my pocket. Even I can't 825 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: believe I'm not even Catholic. So I said you know 826 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: it was. I tried to do things the right way 827 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: with a great deal of passion. I love to compete. Finally, 828 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: when you look at that, you could go to YouTube 829 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: or see a clip of it. I'm sure you've seen it. 830 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: You and the official jam in the photo in his pocket. 831 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: I think it's a riot. Do you look at that 832 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: and laugh or go, oh Bill, what am I doing? 833 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: Or do you kind of laugh? No, it was I 834 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: knew it was, Oh Bill, like that was not the 835 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: right thing to do, you know, and I remever forget. 836 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: I walked in and and myel kay gave me a 837 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: look like I can't believe you did that. I go, 838 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I've my daughter says, daddy, Daddy, 839 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you put that that that that that 840 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: picture and that referees that pocket is he was wrong. 841 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: I go, I go, Lauren, he was wrong, but your 842 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: father was worse than that. You do not show people 843 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: up like that. He made a mistake, yes, but it 844 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: wasn't just his fault as well. There was no need 845 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: for me to react that way. That's not how you react. 846 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: People make mistakes sometimes, I've made plenty of mistakes. What 847 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: I did was wrong. That wasn't right. I still liked it, Daddy, 848 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: and I said, no, no, I'm sure you did. And 849 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people had we the first one to 850 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: say I was wrong. Thank you for writing the book, 851 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the podcast, Bill, and 852 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: you're really a credit to the game and a good guy. 853 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: And again I think you have a real presence on 854 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: CBS and I appreciate you taking the time for our audience. 855 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: Thanks going. I appreciate you as well. Much respect to 856 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: you what you do and how your stances things. So 857 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: much respect coming from here. Thank you. Thanks Bill. All right, 858 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: that's Bill Kauer. Follow us at the volume sports blah 859 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: blah blah. I want to talk to UFOs for a second. 860 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: Have you noticed in the last three months, four months, 861 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: five months, all the UFO stories. It's not because we're 862 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: having more UFOs. Let me explain this to you. If 863 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned you saw UFO even two years ago, it 864 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: was crazy town right like you would be mocked. But 865 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: the minute that little tic tac showed up off the 866 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: coastal like San Diego and the Pentagon acknowledged they knew 867 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: about it, it opened the door for every legitimate media 868 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: news source to say Okay, here's some more video. There 869 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: are no more UFOs. I'm going to say right now, 870 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: as the host of this podcast, that in late June, 871 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: there is going to be a report released by Congress 872 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: on UFOs. They're gonna let us see virtually everything. And 873 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: I know everybody's jacked up about this, but the best 874 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: piece of video is going to be the one we 875 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: already saw that was leaked, that little tic tac thing 876 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: flying a zillion miles an hour, which could have been 877 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: space junk who knows. I don't know. I have no idea, 878 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: but I just want to I'll let you know that 879 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 1: you're all getting jacked up for all these UFO stories. 880 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 1: There's gonna be no Martians unveiled in the next month. 881 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I hate to break this to you. There'll 882 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: be no Martians. I know you're rooting for it. And 883 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: the media now doesn't feel stigmatized when they report this stuff. 884 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: Ever since that damn tic tac showed up zipping across 885 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: the water, I went to a website today like six 886 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: UIFO stories, The Hell's happened with the media? Six UIFO 887 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: stories insane. Our media now covers UFOs as much as 888 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: they cover Senate races. The hell has happened to us? 889 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: I've told you before. I don't believe in ghosts. I'm sorry, 890 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not really down on UFOs. I think it's 891 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: mostly space junk. That's my theory on it. All right, 892 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: I've rambled. I'm done at The Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram, 893 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: rate review, Subscribe Chris Mannox the newest podcast. We're talking 894 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: NBA hoops and some boxing on the Monday podcast. Have 895 00:48:33,600 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: a good weekend. The Volume