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Speaker 2: The RDU patrols the ghetto continuously looking for cars with

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Speaker 2: During our observations, however, the RDU officers came to the

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Speaker 2: This is the jungle, he said. We rewrite the constitution

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Speaker 2: every day down here. This same officer believed that the

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Speaker 2: If we pull everyone over, they will eventually learn that

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Speaker 2: Not unlike the ones suffered by Freddie Graham Baltimore. A

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, yet the abuses continued. Hey, welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Blackoutis Podcast. I'm your host Rod, joined as always by

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Speaker 2: Ready to do some podcasts and find us on Spotify exclusively.

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Speaker 2: Today is a feedback show. We'll be talking about the

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Speaker 2: things you had to say throughout the week. Emails, no

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Speaker 2: The black guy who Tips is normally what we cover

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Speaker 2: Today's excerpt is Locking Up Our Own by James Foreman Junior.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think enlightened some of the recent

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Speaker 2: I'm sure this stuff happens every day, but it feels

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Speaker 2: And this isn't you know, black death aka some fictionalized

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Speaker 2: Oh that means the drug dealers now have regular cars.

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Speaker 3: You got out of guns, you got the shields, you

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Speaker 1: How big are these activists' houses?

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Speaker 2: Oh, people have some ideas for Karen merch And says

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Speaker 2: I can't really, I don't think it's my place to

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Speaker 1: But I haven't watched the show since then.

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Speaker 1: That's whether it's good or bad.

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Speaker 2: So you know, to me, there's no no, no good

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Speaker 4: With her cheeks, with cheeks.

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Speaker 2: If we like it, we pay one hundred dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your work might be on T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Are you about that life? Yes? Or no? Karen? No,

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Speaker 1: Karen is not about that life.

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Speaker 2: Seventy five point six percent of our audience is not about.

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Speaker 4: That life unless some provoke.

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Speaker 2: No, twenty four point three nine percent of people is

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Speaker 2: To be about that life, now, what.

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Speaker 1: Is that life? I don't know how y'all to find

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Speaker 3: I'm not about that life. I am a simple person.

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Speaker 4: I don't do shit. I don't going to where.

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Speaker 3: I'm not about that life, and I don't want that

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Speaker 4: So I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I like being a basic, simple ass bitch with no

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Speaker 4: That is the best fucking life to live.

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Speaker 1: I hear, I hear.

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Speaker 2: We had episode twenty three twelve Will Strickly Entrepreneurionaire, great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Really enjoyed talking to It's been a long time since

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Speaker 1: Tammy says, I really enjoy when you all have guests.

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Speaker 2: This episode has was a great hip hop history and

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Speaker 2: my mom, I was talking to her yesterday. She enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the episode as well. Trey says, thanks roder Caaren for

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Speaker 1: And then the poe was have you ever bought a

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I had tons on them.

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Speaker 2: How old is our audience is the real question here?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen percent said no, they've never bought a musical cassette

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Speaker 2: of Jehovah witnesses or young they only known CDs and

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Speaker 1: The what you call those.

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Speaker 2: Things the portable memory drives and ship like that.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Then you have like the generation none don't won't know

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Speaker 3: what the hell of CD is like. If it ain't

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Speaker 3: that eventually loaded, they gonna be like, the fuck is that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Eventually they that's what it's gonna be Corey, we had comments.

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Speaker 2: Corey says, yes, And the first tape I bought my

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Speaker 1: MS.

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Speaker 2: Barr says, I had my nephew make mixtapes for me

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Speaker 2: because I had saved enough money and actually bought cassette tapes.

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Speaker 1: I put it on lay away at Roses.

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Speaker 3: Right, you might as well said I bought it at

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, you dated yourself. I ordered tapes through Columbia

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Speaker 2: House at b MG. But God only knows how much

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Speaker 2: money I owe them everybody.

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Speaker 4: That's why they went out of business.

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Speaker 1: Shay says, I have a box of cassette taste.

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Speaker 2: I can't seen the part with might bring them to

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Speaker 1: To the kids, they don't know nothing about this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Don't that make you feel good when you get

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Speaker 3: old enough to be like, y'all don't know nothing about this.

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Speaker 1: That's all they're worth at this point.

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Speaker 3: All right, them kids were like, you can listen to it,

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Speaker 2: That's all they were. All they worth now is telling

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Speaker 1: What you know about this? Come on?

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Speaker 2: Trey Swindh says, absolutely still have a ton of in

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Speaker 4: That was me sugar colling my shit off the radio.

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Speaker 1: What a time to be alive. Thanks Tray swind Do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did too. I used to.

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Speaker 2: And then for me growing up loving hip hop in Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: Now things alive?

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Speaker 2: You know what you like about places. I would have

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Speaker 4: Because they figured out most people that would complain.

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Speaker 1: And I will record it sometimes, you know, in my

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Speaker 2: Episode twenty three thirteen, The Return or Chocolate Earthquake.

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Speaker 1: Had some comments.

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Speaker 2: Falcons Diva says, I was heated about the fucking with

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Speaker 2: I had to laugh, and Rod's periodic during Karen's rent

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all the emotions, love y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thanks facons V, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm bringing jo it to somebody's life, no.

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Speaker 1: Matter how yep. And yeah she can't. She can't help it.

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Speaker 1: That's just how she talks, so I can't, y'all.

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Speaker 3: About basic shit, even being like you okay, I'm like yeah,

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Speaker 4: We're just talking about em and MS.

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Speaker 3: I had to learn as an adult how to turn

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Speaker 2: Sailor Agney says, I've yet to watch them on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: I hate slavery agenda. All of it doesn't seem.

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Speaker 2: To have any rule, any rules, because people are just

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Speaker 1: Besides, it's twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: There's so much black content across streaming the TV that

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Speaker 2: It's like a dolls. But for entertainment, that's good. That's

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Speaker 2: Should tell you how powerless that contingent of social media

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, you're not. You're just to me,

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Speaker 2: you're no different than a white person hating on this.

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Speaker 1: You hate this shit.

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00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: They just can't say it the way that you like.

442
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: They aren't allowed to say it. And Pulite company because

443
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: they want to be considered liberal.

444
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: Allies and blah blah blah.

445
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: So white white people are scared to critique a lot

446
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: of black art, and so there's this undercurrent of like,

447
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: you know, we have to like everything black or else

448
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: were racist. Okay, cool, they hire a black person, it's

449
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: still the black person they decided to hire. And you

450
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: look through their fucking I was my friend of mine

451
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: sent me a link to somebody that was shitting on

452
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: something or other and she and you know how, you

453
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: can click on the the author's name and see what

454
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: they write. It was nothing but just snarky, mean shit

455
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: about black entertainment. And she was a black She was

456
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: the black person who worked at that white publication, and

457
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: that's what she did for a living. And that is

458
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: a thing I see a lot, and once I saw

459
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: that pattern, I just had to tune them niggas out

460
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: because a lot of times they don't know what the

461
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: fuck they're talking about, and because they waste a lot

462
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: of their fucking commentary and criticism on good shit. When

463
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: they do criticize something that they really try to galvanize

464
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: a movement behind it. We're gonna make this the new Pariah.

465
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: Nobody fucking listens. Look at green Book.

466
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: They wasted all them bullets on all this other shit.

467
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: And then when they was like, we're not gonna let

468
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: anyone like green Book, and the shit wins the Oscar

469
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, nobody gives a

470
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: fuck what they're talking about.

471
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: But it's just weird because it does.

472
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: I imagine what those black creatives feel when you put

473
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: something out for your people, You put something out with

474
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: your personal story and trauma and history in it because

475
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: you wanted to give this vision, tell the story. Doesn't

476
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: mean everyone has to like everything, but I wonder how

477
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: it feels cumulatively.

478
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: That always they get attacked.

479
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: From a very specific angle from other from other black

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: people who are just in this criticism industry.

481
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: Criticism industry in a way that.

482
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: No one else is allowed to attack them by the way, right,

483
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: White people don't even attack them that way because people

484
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: will go, you're racist. So it's only these black people

485
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: that get sicked out like attack dogs to bring down

486
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Misha Green or Lean Away or Kenya Barrs or whatever.

487
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: And they think they're doing like the lord's working there,

488
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: not because because most of them just are aspiring to

489
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: want to do something.

490
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: Creatively as well.

491
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: If and if we only criticize them, they will be

492
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: fucked up in the head.

493
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Too, you know. So it's just very interesting to watch

494
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: that dichotomy play out.

495
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Also, I might want to watch these type of black

496
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: films and shows because of a little thing called choice.

497
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Too many options for our community to get bent out

498
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: of shape. Though, seeing folks do this shit for cloud

499
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: chase and instantly causes me to simply ignore their, ignore their,

500
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: ignore them, since I'm pretty good at protecting my peace

501
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: from performative bullshit, especially lately when I noticed that it's

502
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: nothing but a game to them. They'll be at it

503
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: again with the Black Ladies Sketch Show in the coming days,

504
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: complaining stupidly about all the cast members and then either

505
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: celebrate in accolades, or if it doesn't get mad at

506
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: awards for a lack of nominations, shits so breath of integrity,

507
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: to be honest, pick a.

508
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Lane, a step aside.

509
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end of the day, if you notice,

510
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: the common thread is that they just want to have

511
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: a gripe.

512
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: Yes right, they.

513
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: Don't care what kind of grap they just want to

514
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: have one.

515
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: Black Ladies Sketch show wasn't black enough. They don't like

516
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: Robin Thidi, She's a terrible person. Somehow, for some reason,

517
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: all the black girls on the show must only date

518
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: white people.

519
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: They must They're not really funny.

520
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Black people wouldn't like this type of comedy, even though

521
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: we're supposed there's no right way to be black. But

522
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: suddenly we only laugh at the same shit. But it

523
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: was just it's like very weird moving goal posts to

524
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: have a gripe with the show. And then the show

525
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: gets some claim, and then it gets nominated for some awards,

526
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden you got people going, well, yeah, well, yeah,

527
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: the show is brilliant because some white people came along

528
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: and told them it was okay to say it was brilliant,

529
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: you know. And then when this nominated, it doesn't win

530
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: an award. Now it's you know, shadowing that coming out,

531
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: like what the fuck is this shit?

532
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like why would they give

533
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: it to this mediocre white show.

534
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because no one made a campaign

535
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: out of hating that mediocre white show. Like you know,

536
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: when people start hating white people shows once they win

537
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: the award, that's when all the hate comes out, like

538
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: it don't it don't And maybe once it gets nominated

539
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: if it's really bad.

540
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: The rest of the time they don't.

541
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: People just if white shit isn't good, that's just their right,

542
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: that's their freedom.

543
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: If white shit isn't for you, you go, it's not

544
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: for me. It's white shit.

545
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: It's only when black people try to do something outside

546
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: the box or do something you know that you don't

547
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: like personally that has to turn into fucking they need

548
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: to be destroyed and blah blah blah. So you know,

549
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: and it's gotta be hard to overcome that as a creative,

550
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: you know.

551
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, what was the poll for that one? Uh?

552
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: It was for those who've gotten vaccinated? How was your experience?

553
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: Slight side effects, no side effects, haven't gotten it yet?

554
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Or strong side effects.

555
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: Karen, I gots slight, just the sleepiness and the tiredness

556
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: in the sortes of the arms.

557
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: I mean nothing major.

558
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom was slight.

559
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: To Forty four percent said slight side effects, twenty six

560
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: percent said no side effects, eighteen percent haven't gotten it yet,

561
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: and twelve percent had strong side effects. Oh, lots of comment.

562
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Twelve comments. All right, let's see, I voted haven't gotten

563
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: it yet. However, I plan on getting the vaccine. I

564
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: live in Alabama and our governor just expanding the vaccine

565
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: in my age group.

566
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: All right, cool cool, Doug said, I got the Jay

567
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: and Jay JABB two weeks ago.

568
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: To night, I got a slight fever to sweats and chills,

569
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: but by the morning I was pretty much back to normal.

570
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: My shoulder was sore a couple for a couple of days.

571
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: My friend had similar experience with the second shot.

572
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: Of Pfizer, but his wife had no adverse reactions.

573
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Most everyone else I know that got one of the

574
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: three vaccines had.

575
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: Little to no issues too.

576
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: Corey says, the day after my second dose of Maderna,

577
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: I was extremely lethargic, but that's it.

578
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't sore. I didn't have a fever.

579
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I just felt like I needed to lay mine behind down,

580
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: which I probably should have done even without the vaccine.

581
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: Now I'm fully vaccinated and feeling bougie as all get out.

582
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: Ms Bard says, I got my first dose of the PISA.

583
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: I had a slight headache, But then again, I got

584
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: twelve thousand oak trees full of follen around me. I

585
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: might have skipped breakfast that morning and got a hungry headache.

586
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: It can be fifty little things. I'll take a slight

587
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: headache over the actual rona any day.

588
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: Come on.

589
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: Blue Wave.

590
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Roder says, we'll get my second and Durner shot this week.

591
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Should I take the day off after work?

592
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: After?

593
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: Should I take the day after off work? I mean,

594
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: you should take it off just for yourself anyway. But

595
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like we worked.

596
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: We did the show the next day.

597
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, even if nothing else, just rest, Like even

598
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: if you don't have any side effects, it might just

599
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: be a day you know what. I actually, you need

600
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: to rest because most of us go go go, and

601
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: we don't have properly rest anyway, And so taking the

602
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: day off, and like you know what, bitch, I'm a

603
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: just gonna taken at the mid of the day.

604
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: Why because I can, Dan yell, D said, so I

605
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: got them and during the first shot, no problem, and

606
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: took three time and all once an hour before the shot,

607
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: so no so on on. But one week later I

608
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: did know this. My heart rate was up just doing

609
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: regular stuff around the house. I just received my second shot.

610
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: So far, so good, and hopefully it stays that way.

611
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Pray for your girl.

612
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: We will, Dan yell.

613
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: And you know, don't hesitate to go to the doctor

614
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: if you really are feeling some type of heartshit. That

615
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: might not even have that could I have something to

616
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: do with the vaccine. It could not have something to

617
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: do with the vaccine. But you know, if you feel

618
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: in that level of and it shit, it could be

619
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of shit. I'll just put it that way.

620
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: Not that I don't want to make anybody nervous, but

621
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, check on that falcon Steva says, I voted

622
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: serious side effects. Mine may not be serious to some.

623
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: But today, after my second Maderner shot, I felt like

624
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: I've been hit by a bus.

625
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I got the shot at.

626
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: Twelve forty five Monday, worked out Monday evening with no problems,

627
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: right before I went to bed that night, my arm

628
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: was still was very stiff.

629
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: When I woke up the next morning.

630
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: My tire body ache, the chills of fatigue came a

631
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: few hours later, and I went back to bed Wednesday.

632
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: I was a littlethargic in the morning, but back to

633
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: one hundred percent that evening.

634
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: I've heard that experience, yeah, you know.

635
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: I was interested to know what percentage of people are

636
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: having that level of experience. Sam like Agne says the

637
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: five one that I just received on Tuesday only gave

638
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: me a sitting, a sting sensation for a couple of days.

639
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Nothing overly paiful.

640
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: This is my first shot, so hopefully the second one

641
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: goes same way in a couple of weeks. Bridge says,

642
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: I voted slight effects. My second shot of Maderna made

643
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: me feel tired out of nowhere. Then I got chills.

644
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: Then I had real bad muscle cramps. I probably should

645
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: have voted serious side effects. Luel yeah, I.

646
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: Would that sounds serious. This is more serious to me.

647
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Luckily I was working from home when all the essential

648
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: to hit me at once or pop some ibuproferit ibuprofiit

649
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: and took a quick little nap then after that I

650
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: was fine. Those side effects is way better than having COVID.

651
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: That's my motto.

652
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: And lastly, Tray says, I just got back to the

653
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: spot and after getting my second dose of Maderna on

654
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: this Saturday morning, seventeenth, I only got the arm soreness

655
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: with the first shot.

656
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I will see how the second dose treats me. My

657
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: folks got.

658
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: The same shot I did before me, so thankfully I

659
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: could see a rough's idea of possible side effects, and

660
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: all they felt was the second dose was an arm

661
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: sowores and feeling a little tired. So shrugs, just glad

662
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: to be on the winning squad, fully vaccinated squad. A

663
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Speaker 2: bunch of questions marks, lol, Thanks Trey. Let's get to

664
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Speaker 2: the next episode we had episode twenty three fourteen, The

665
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Crack in the Hat.

666
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: Got three comments on that.

667
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: Mel Rale says regarding Patris con Colors getting to the bag.

668
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: She actually makes a lot during speaking engagements. I only

669
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: know because she came to speak at the national conference

670
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: I helped organize a few years back. She was actually

671
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: willing to take a cut since the mission of the

672
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: conference was directly about race and pedagogy, with an emphasis

673
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: on the K through twelve system, and we had invited

674
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: the other two Black Lives Matter founders to also speak

675
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: as well for the same fee. Quiet as it is

676
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: kept though her speaking fees were are soucessually less than

677
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: dear brother Cornell West, who we hosted at the same conference.

678
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: But I'm not wanting to watch Marxist pocketbooks. I'm telling you, man,

679
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: all the socialists doing better than me. I really fuck

680
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: the game up. I don't know what I was thinking.

681
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: You good, Okay, don't speak for me. I'm not good.

682
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I could be driving the whole damn Laborghini out here

683
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: if I would applied this.

684
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: So you want to deal with all the things to

685
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: go along.

686
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: With that, Yeah, I mean shit, they don't do what

687
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: seem to be bothering them.

688
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: Would it bother you?

689
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: As the question?

690
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying. I played this right,

691
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: it wouldn't even bother me. I already had a Laborghini.

692
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: I can't hear y'all because I'm driving too fast. Not

693
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: too fast, I'm past the speed of sound. Y'all gonna

694
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: have to call me a sellout real quick, because all them,

695
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: most folks in this kind of word.

696
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: As much what what I didn't hear you. I didn't

697
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: hear you. I was going too fast.

698
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: You better catch you at the stop, like real quick.

699
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: Most folks in this kind of work, with her kind

700
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: of profile, actually make a killing through those speaking gigs.

701
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: Be it in the media again, brother West. They getting

702
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: a check at a conference or a private event. They

703
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: have to be paid to share their voice as leader

704
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: or expert in the field.

705
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: But to put things into perspective, Chelsea Clinton.

706
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: Speaking fees are sixty five k per gig, Big Carson

707
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: getting forty k per gig.

708
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Pre Trump, Don Jr.

709
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: Gets one hundred k per gig because rich, white male privilege, etcetera, ETCETERA.

710
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Long story short, The uproar online and the assumption by

711
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: some folks that she's misappropriating funds does a job with

712
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: how she's actually been making a living since she and

713
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: other founders have had their profiles raised. How honestly, she

714
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: could have easily made most, if not all, the money

715
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: for these homes from speaking engagements and media appearances alone,

716
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: without even considering her checks from the book and her

717
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: work as a content producer. If anything, the book helped

718
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 2: get her get more speaking gigs and raise the price

719
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: point of each appearance, flash speaking fee even Marxist dollars

720
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: gotta make sense. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, though,

721
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't jump to malfeasance because I don't jump to

722
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: it because one, I don't think we can ever truly

723
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: really know. I think a lot of the stuff that

724
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: people bring up his fundy accounting, and I think a

725
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: lot of this public promotion that these activists do, we

726
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: don't actually know specifically how much of that money they

727
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: have access, what they touched, all that type of shit,

728
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: especially when you're dealing with organizations and stuff. And then

729
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: of course people level impropriety at these motherfuckers just because

730
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: they don't like it.

731
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: They talking about black lives and getting killed out by

732
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: the police.

733
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: So you got that, you got the interactivist fighting, you

734
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: got the right wing people, the trolls, Breitbart, social media,

735
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: all this shit.

736
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you have people like

737
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: Sean King where he's.

738
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: Actively taking credit for like retweeting a fundraiser and being like,

739
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: I helped raise thirty two million dollars even if he

740
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: never touched the money, He never had nothing to do

741
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: with the money. It's not even his organization all he

742
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: did was retweet it, and now he's taking credit for

743
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: all thirty two million dollars or whatever, and which is

744
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: a hard a ridiculous accounting practice or even just accountability.

745
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: Practice, because other people did that work.

746
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: But my point being, people will take that and then

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: be like, that's how you know he's stealing because he

748
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: said he raised thirty million dollars and I'm like, but

749
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: he didn't, and we know he didn't. And you can

750
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: dislike the dude and not know he's stealing, you know, Like.

751
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he isn't.

752
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he is, but you can dislike the

753
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: guy without you know, throwing that part in there, you know.

754
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: But I think people as social media doesn't reward that,

755
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: so of course people just say it's drifting.

756
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: And since a lot of this is operating off of.

757
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Jealousy, a lot of these motherfuckers that you see pointing

758
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: these fingers are people that just want to be these

759
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: other folks.

760
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: And it's really that simple.

761
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: I wish it was more complex, but I'm done racking

762
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: my brain giving motherfucker's benefit of the doubt. I'm done.

763
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: I'm saving myself time. The straightest line Ockem's raiser. These

764
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: motherfuckers a lot of times just don't like that it's

765
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: somebody else who's getting paid or who's getting their attention

766
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck, and they think they should have it,

767
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: and when they get it, it'll be another motherfucker that

768
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: don't like them.

769
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: They do the same shit. I don't know how many

770
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: times I gotta watch it happen.

771
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't don't.

772
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't need to be on repeat. And you know,

773
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: people do the same actions that get the same results

774
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: and always act surprised that they get the same results.

775
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, for me, one day, the light

776
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: gotta come on and you gotta realize that you're going

777
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: in circles.

778
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 4: And so I only have.

779
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: A very very limited amount of time on this earth,

780
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: and I have a very limited amount of energy, and

781
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: so my energy is precious to me, and I'm not

782
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: wasting my energy on things that I consider stupid or dumb,

783
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: or things that don't make sense. And it does not

784
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: make sense to go around in these circles when it

785
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: comes to these things. Yes, their work is important, Yes

786
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: what they do is important, but the other shit, But

787
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: like this, I know what I'm about to say it's

788
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: coming from a very ignorant place. Is what you're doing

789
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: about activism? Are people's lives being changed? You fussing and

790
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: arguing on line is not impacting somebody that's out here

791
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: looking for help. You bickering about you got money and

792
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: I don't got money, ain't putting, ain't tunning on nobody's lives.

793
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: They ain't getting nobody out of jail, They ain't setting

794
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: nobody free. So I'm not trying funny. I'm not in

795
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: those things. So it's fucking irrelevant to me, Like what

796
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: is the work?

797
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

798
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: You know?

799
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: If it ain't about that, I don't not talking. I

800
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: don't give fuck about it.

801
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck about your ego and your

802
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: bickering and you're arguing and who got this and who

803
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: said bitch?

804
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: I don't fucking care.

805
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: What are you doing on the ground? Like for me,

806
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: that's all I care about. And once I simplified that,

807
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: it was easy to tap out of the out of it, because,

808
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: like I said before, if I am a recipient of

809
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: these people helping me, I don't gonna fuck what they're

810
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: doing it. I don't give fuck where the money came from.

811
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: All I know is that I got help when I

812
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: needed help at that period of time, and you agueing

813
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: about your favorite mascot does not mean a fuck to me.

814
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's weird because they use those mothers in

815
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: their act of his beef, and that's the only way

816
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: I can see it at this point. I don't believe

817
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: any of those people that were involved in that really

818
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: cared about the mothers that were affected. And that's the

819
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: one of the ugliest distasteful, disgusting things I've ever seen, honestly,

820
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: because it was clearly like we have a personal beef

821
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: against some of these folks, and one of the moms

822
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 2: mentioned them after she's been talking about Black Lives Matter

823
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: organization and all these people for a while, and they

824
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: really took that tangent to be like, I've been tweeting

825
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: about hating Tamika Mallory for a year and finally I

826
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: can use this.

827
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this woman's name.

828
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I really doubt

829
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: that that that.

830
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: It was really about those women.

831
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: And because Tamika Mallory never even raised money for Timya righte,

832
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: So what money would she have been appropriate and or

833
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: stealing from from so so.

834
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Like you was another act.

835
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: You know that, but you also know you don't like her,

836
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: so now we got to go through this whole rigamarole

837
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: on the timeline. It's just like, damn, this is this

838
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: is ugly and it's supposed to be about stopping the

839
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: police from killing people and it's just not about that,

840
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: And there's nothing you can say to make me feel

841
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: like that's what it's about anymore. And so I, you know,

842
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: I just just you know, shake my head. And you

843
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: just gotta hope people are are doing the right things.

844
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: And if you see somebody with their head down grinding,

845
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, you hope that that person is you know,

846
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: if they need some help or some shit, you hope

847
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: you can your help isn't gonna be wasted or come

848
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: back to haunt you. But fuck man, this is like

849
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: I just don't think people are understanding how fucked up

850
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: this is because everyone's so giddy about the drama and

851
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: they're so giddy about entertainment value, like it's real Housewives

852
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: of Activism, and I'm like, this is fucked up. This

853
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: is real, real fucked up. There's nothing really good or

854
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: funny about this. So how Rod and Karen just wanted to.

855
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: I mean, because here's the thing. If you're telling the truth, right,

856
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: if you're telling the truth, then you're talking about criminal

857
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: level shit, you know.

858
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 4: What I mean?

859
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Like then this then you're to me when you're saying

860
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: something like this, you're talking about a betrayal of blackness

861
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: in the community. That is not something you play with

862
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: you and you need to know, you need to have proof,

863
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: not not.

864
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: I don't like that. It's so it's so fucked up.

865
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: It's so like you literally playing with motherfuckers lives, man,

866
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: because if somebody went and killed one of these people,

867
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: like I think a lot of people would would would

868
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: completely pretend that they weren't behind that, Like if they

869
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: if there was an environment where somebody went and killed

870
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: one of these activists because y'all been saying they're stealing

871
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: money with no fucking evidence that they have, or you

872
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: just don't like the way they move, or some some

873
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: sassy shit like that, and now they're getting and now

874
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: that's a reason for them to get a.

875
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: Costed get docks.

876
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Republicans and white right wing people that have their address

877
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: and shit. It just feels so whatever that's about, that's

878
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: definitely a not about Trayvon Martin. That's not about Tama Rice.

879
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: It's not about Michael Brown, it's not about Sandra Bland,

880
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: it's not about her. Kia Boyd, that's not about so

881
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: don't pretend. Don't even hide behind that shit. That's ego

882
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: at some point anyway.

883
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: The next one is from.

884
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: I think it's Norbisa or not Nah, it's what she says, Okay,

885
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: higher Rod and Karen just wanted to drop a note

886
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: about Fortree's story as well, a couple of things. Even

887
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: though one point four million sounds like a lot out

888
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: here in LA, that's kind of average right now. I

889
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: live in a pretty regular but gentrified neighborhood, and the

890
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: two bad one bathroom, eight hundred square feet is like

891
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: one point two million to one point three million on

892
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: my block. The other piece of it is that some

893
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: articles are taking serious liberties on purpose, saying to PGA,

894
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: Topanga Canyon is near Malibu or any other fancy areas,

895
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: like saying South Central or Compton is near Beverly Hills.

896
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: It's all Los Angeles County, but they ain't close.

897
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: I know.

898
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: Some of the articles online were trying to set it

899
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: up like she bought a house some fancy, fancy area.

900
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: But don't get me wrong, Topanga is nice, but it's

901
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 2: not mallible or her.

902
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Most about a long shot.

903
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the shit I saw said something

904
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: like it's only one point three percent black people in

905
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: this neighborhood or whatever.

906
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: The fuck.

907
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't live there. And most importantly,

908
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: I actually don't give a fuck.

909
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought I was on That's what I'm saying.

910
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: Like, like, and the thing is a lot of the

911
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: shit that comes up, y'all. I hate to be like this.

912
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't care. Like I said, I have a limited

913
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: amount of energy, and my energy cannot be put.

914
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just it's not just that I don't

915
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: know where any of these niggas live. It's never been

916
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: a thing that anyone gave a fuck about until today,

917
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: no one's ever brought it up.

918
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: Like, and people can't even see the Oakie dope, Like

919
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: she got four homes. I'm like, I don't know.

920
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: I do it matter how she bought them unless you

921
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: have some evidence that she don't. She's just not supposed

922
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: to have four homes other than she's a black woman,

923
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: and you just assume she's supposed to do a whole

924
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: bunch of unpaid ass activism labor until she die.

925
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.

926
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: You know, Angela Davis probably got four homes. I don't

927
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: know what the fuck like, I don't know, and it

928
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: really hasn't ever mattered. I never knew where Martin Luther

929
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: King lived or and none of this shit, you know,

930
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: And then when activists do die pennyless, we'd be like, damn,

931
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: they were stupid for that. You know, that's fucked up.

932
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: That's all we got for it. Fanny lou Havemr and

933
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Malcolm X's family. That's all we got is that was

934
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: fucked up. That's terrible. I think overall, I'm just disappointed

935
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: with so many progressive quote unquote black folks we like

936
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: to call them click activists or aren'tra activists taking.

937
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: The bait and ready to docks and bring down Patrice.

938
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: A right wing site puts a trolling article up, and

939
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: it's just sad how many people want to take her down.

940
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I don't understand, but I thought

941
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: we would want our movement leaders to be able to

942
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: be around to help lead.

943
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Instead of homeless and struggling.

944
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: I feel like Twitter has just become a place for

945
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: folks to tear that people down instead of seeking therapy

946
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: or whatever else they need to do that requires real work.

947
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a.

948
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: Lot of times the sad part about it is that

949
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: a lot of times white racist people that these people

950
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: claim to fight against, so that these groups claim to

951
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: fight against.

952
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: A lot of times don't have to do the work.

953
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: A lot of times y'all do the work for them

954
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: and then look crazy when they show up on the

955
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: back end to clean house and just be like, well,

956
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: y'all already laid the groundwork, Like, oh, we don't have

957
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: to do the work. We just come in at the

958
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 3: end and rally our troops and day by to act

959
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: shocked and surprise.

960
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: But y'all have literally done the work for them.

961
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: It's a real predictable scio. It's real. It's so easy

962
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: to do.

963
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: I give a good example for I've just been on

964
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: the internet long enough to have seen it a bunch

965
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: of times, so I just am very skeptical in general.

966
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: But a good example of this is like the Fortune

967
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: and those type of forms. Right, So what they do

968
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: is they know that liberal people are like, look, LGBTQ,

969
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: we support LGBTQ, rights. We support a person's choice when

970
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: it comes to how they exercise their their gender, how

971
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: they display it, how whatever sexual orientation they are, whatever

972
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, whoever they whatever you know, we just want

973
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: to empower them. We also have sexual empowerment and blah

974
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: blah blah and all this stuff. Right, you know, there's

975
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: no keep shame in all this stuff.

976
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: So they know that there's.

977
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: A certain set of rules online that you must govern

978
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: yourself accordingly if you want to be a liberal person

979
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: and in support of certain areas and be an ally cool.

980
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: So what they do is that they go out create

981
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: accounts on social media and they just start saying stuff

982
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: like pedophilia is a sexual choice and it should be

983
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: respected as within the in the same under the same

984
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: auspices as the LGBTQ community. And if you don't support that,

985
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: then you're actually a hypocrite because of you, How can

986
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: you support someone being trans and you know they're not

987
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: even eighteen and you just gonna let them change.

988
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Their entire gender and that's fine with you.

989
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: But somebody says, but so a child is old enough

990
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: to know what sex and gender they are, but they're

991
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: not old enough to consent to sex with a with

992
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: a with another person.

993
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: So the point is you.

994
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: Have liberal people who will be like, I'm gonna engage this,

995
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna treat this on the merits and

996
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: try to make thread the need all this argument, and

997
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: it's like, or you could just not take the bait right.

998
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about this. That's the thing about

999
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: the example I just gave. That's the thing with Breitbart

1000
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: or some other right wing place telling you Patrice Colors

1001
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: just bought a house New York Post or whatever, telling.

1002
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: You you could choose to not.

1003
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: To not buy into that and be like, yeah, this

1004
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: bitch gotta go.

1005
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: You know I'm not.

1006
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm not trying to say you

1007
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: gotta ignore the jokes and shit is funny to me.

1008
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: I know, I laugh. When I saw the show, I

1009
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, I gotta get into socialism.

1010
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I don't want to. I

1011
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: don't want nothing to happen to this woman. I don't

1012
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: have any proof, no actual evidence, that she did anything

1013
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 2: inappropriate with any amount of money. And I also don't

1014
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: have an agenda in the fight where you know, I'm

1015
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: trying to get somebody because you know, I gotta protect

1016
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: this person or whatever.

1017
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1018
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: I don't care, you know, so anyway, any who as

1019
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: born and raised Los ANGELESO. I know Patresa's been doing

1020
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: this work long before black lives matters on Front Street,

1021
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: and from my view, she deserves to finally be able

1022
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: to live comfortably. I remember when she started one of

1023
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: the criminal justice organizations down here, Dignity and Power. Now,

1024
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: please believe she was working for pennies on the dollar

1025
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: back then. Also, I don't know what she's doing with

1026
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: the property she has, or if she could be hooking

1027
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: up her family or the folks either. So I think

1028
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: it's even more important the whole judgment. Yeah, you never know,

1029
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: she could be I mean maybe she gonna live there.

1030
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. But she got multiple properties. She could

1031
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: set one of these.

1032
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: Up is like a place to have use it. We

1033
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: just don't fucking know, It's all I'm saying. And what's

1034
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: happening is people don't extend any benefit of the doubt.

1035
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: But it's not even just I'm not extending benefit of

1036
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: the doubt because they did something. It's like I'm not

1037
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: extending benefit of the doubt because it's more fun to

1038
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: be destructive on the internet, you know, and at the

1039
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: same time, Black Lives Matter benefited from people being real

1040
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: skeptical and tearing down other activists. So it is kind

1041
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: of hard, like it is kind of some chickens coming

1042
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: home the rude shit, because they definitely did. I watched

1043
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: it in real time when they did it to other people.

1044
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: So it's it's hard to feel too much sympathy for

1045
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: the people that got too much, like they made the

1046
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 2: most money out of all this shit. Now y'all got

1047
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: something to say, It's like, well, they did come at

1048
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: people assuming they all wanted money, attention, platforms, power, and

1049
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: without their blessing, they were gonna make you come to

1050
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: the table many celebrities, so like, don't get it twisted.

1051
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: While I think this is fucked up, I thought it

1052
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: was fucked up when they did it too, which is

1053
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: the difference between me and a lot of people, like

1054
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: it was fucked up. It's fucked up the whole way,

1055
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't just get fucked up when it gets

1056
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: to the one you like. It's like, this is actually

1057
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: a fucked up way to try to moderate the activism space.

1058
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1059
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: Lastly, Sonya and a Tyler drop the ig In about this,

1060
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: raising the point that the idea of black women have

1061
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: money it's suspicious in itself, that is a delusion of

1062
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: white supremacy. I thought that was an interesting take. I mean,

1063
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: that is an interesting take. But like I said, that's

1064
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: an interesting take.

1065
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: But we never know. I mean, you could.

1066
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully she not scamming, because some people scamming then they

1067
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: hide behind shit like I'm a black woman and I

1068
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: was just hating on this.

1069
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1070
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: It don't seem like I haven't seen any proof that

1071
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: she's scamming. I haven't seen any proof there's a griff,

1072
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: I have seen any of that shit. I just think

1073
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of presumptuous to just jump into that. And

1074
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: maybe that's what Sonya's trying to say, is you know,

1075
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: if you just presume that maybe something fucked up with you.

1076
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: But the fuck that part to me is that a

1077
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: lot of the people coming in her are black women,

1078
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: other black activists. Like it's just it just seemed like

1079
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: a game of Highlander or some shit, like everyone's so

1080
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: scared the resources aren't gonna drop on them, and so

1081
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 2: she gotta go weird.

1082
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: Finally, on a completely separate note, I know.

1083
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: Y'all take y'all like to keep stuff to yourself for

1084
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: your own enjoyment, but man, I wish y'all were doing

1085
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: a recap a Falcon and a Winter Soldier.

1086
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: Y'all get the best recaps, hands down. Well, thank you, and.

1087
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: I've been trying to punk around to other places to

1088
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: listen to recaps head well. Some folks going a little

1089
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: too deep with a fictional TV show. I mean, it

1090
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: got less, but it's still a TV show AnyWho, just putting.

1091
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: It out there.

1092
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: If y'all decided to do a recap behind the paywhill,

1093
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: I would surely listen.

1094
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Speaker 1: Thanks again, hugs, Nana, thank you.

1095
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't plan on doing the recap, to be honest,

1096
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: just because it turns into work and I don't.

1097
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: Want to make that work. It's just fun. I enjoy it.

1098
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: I can't recommend it highly enough. I did not realize

1099
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: they were gonna go all the way there with Falcon

1100
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: in the Winter Soldier, and they are. And I'm just

1101
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: so proud of the writing team acting. You know, I

1102
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: was telling somebody last night, I don't think any actor

1103
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: in my lifetime has benefited from shutting the fuck up

1104
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: as much as Anthony Mackie come on, like he shut

1105
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: the fuck up, and he has done nothing but win

1106
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: ever since.

1107
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: Like he used to give horrible interviews.

1108
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: Terrible opinions about gender, ro terrible opinions about race and

1109
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: race movies and all this shit, terrible respectability politics opinions.

1110
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: And at some point someone just said, would you like

1111
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: to be well liked, rich and well respected? And someone

1112
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: put it to the side of something and he just said,

1113
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: you know what I can do that.

1114
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Let me just do the acting that I do on

1115
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: the screen in these interviews, and it worked. Thank you

1116
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: for giving.

1117
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: Us that shout out to that person.

1118
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: We really needed that.

1119
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: While no one is looking, while no one's looking rot

1120
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: it seems like there's a need for j Edgar There

1121
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: is no need for j Edgar Hoover anymore. Social media

1122
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: is present day conteil pro the docs and harassment and

1123
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: pitting groups against each other can be done by anyone.

1124
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Woo you said a word, that's it. If the present

1125
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: day activist had not been so contentious with the old

1126
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: guard civil rights leaders, maybe they could have avoided some

1127
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: of these pitfalls.

1128
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: But maybe it's just human.

1129
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: Nature right right, Because me and Roger talked about this

1130
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: y'all do know, we was alive when Obama wasn't inviting

1131
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: them or they were shitting on al shopping and Jesse

1132
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 3: Jackson and Angela Davis and talking about how them niggas

1133
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: work was pointless and how they didn't do it right

1134
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: and did they know better and did they know the

1135
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 3: right way? And how they did it was the wrong

1136
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: way and we're not doing it like that, and it's

1137
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: time for the New Guard, and we don't want to speak.

1138
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 4: With them, and they ain't got nothing to show us.

1139
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: I remember that shit.

1140
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: And the thing is, you don't get to live as

1141
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: old as they do and be in the game as

1142
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: long as they do without some knowledge.

1143
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 4: It's fucking impossible. You don't get to live that.

1144
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: Long without knowing seeing the tropes and knowing what they're

1145
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: gonna do and be into.

1146
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: You just don't get there.

1147
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: And so it was one of those things where everybody

1148
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: was like, okay, cool, and the old Guard just kept

1149
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: doing their Old Guard shit. And I watched the New

1150
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: Guard fault. I watched the New Guard no longer being activism.

1151
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 3: I watched the New Guard fadal where the bushes like

1152
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: Homble Simpson, and I watch some of the new Guard

1153
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 3: get that money. The same people that will complain about

1154
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 3: how our shopping got too much money. Them same people.

1155
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: Guess what now they're making money. They're on the commercials.

1156
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: They're out here going to help people and shit like that.

1157
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, I remember. But the thing

1158
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: is that's part of activism. They didn't want to be broken.

1159
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: You didn't want to be broke either, And the ones

1160
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: that's broke, we forget about the broke activists.

1161
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: That's what PEO fed to realize.

1162
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: The activists broken don't got no money. People forget about

1163
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: them unless you're in a certain area or something like that,

1164
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 3: or either they get books wrote about them after they're

1165
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: dead and gone.

1166
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, white people have been trying to destroy Jesse Jackson

1167
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: and ourshocked in the entire.

1168
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Existence in public life.

1169
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: And motherfucker's really acted like one they could learn nothing

1170
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: from these guys, and then two like somehow that made

1171
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: them in on the situation, which is exactly what white

1172
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: people want you to believe. So congratulations for being for

1173
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: falling for the okie dog. It's the same thing to

1174
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: happen with Elly Clinton.

1175
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: You just assume.

1176
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: That you so smart you came to the conclusion that

1177
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: you hate this person by yourself in the thirty five

1178
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: forty years of propaganda against them, that that had nothing

1179
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: to do with it, Right, It's just you're so smart,

1180
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: you just hate the motherfucker for no reason. And I

1181
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: say that as a person that was affected by that.

1182
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: You know, I used to feel that way about Jesse Jackson.

1183
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: I no joke, had a dream and woke up and

1184
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, that was I don't know.

1185
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: I was tripping. I was tripping real hard.

1186
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: I don't know that that man's life like that to

1187
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: be coming down to him, disrespecting him. And that's exactly

1188
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: what white people want me to think because they didn't

1189
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: like that he talked about racism, So of course they

1190
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: want me.

1191
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: To believe he ain't shit and never will be shitting.

1192
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: He's just a grifter and not They want me to

1193
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, they want me to think Al

1194
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: Sharpton is just a joke and a pun and his

1195
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: work doesn't matter.

1196
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: Why would I give them that? Why would I let

1197
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: them take that from me? You know?

1198
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: And and the same thing that a lot of the

1199
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: reason that you see people coming at Biden, Biden, Harristudough,

1200
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: but Biden and Hillary Clinton was the fact that they

1201
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: were white people who were around black causes a little

1202
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: too much.

1203
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: They don't like that. White peoples are like, that's a betrayal.

1204
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: And now you're a joke to me, You're a bad peron,

1205
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: You're a bad white person. I won't come out and

1206
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: say why, I won't come but just then I don't

1207
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: trust them, and you're thinking, you don't you think you

1208
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: don't feel that. I used to feel that about Gloria

1209
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: already because I grew up in a misogynistic culture.

1210
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: American's very misogynistic.

1211
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: So here's this woman advocating for victims of sexual assault

1212
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: and harassment and all this different shit. In my whole life,

1213
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: people have been telling me, other men, the media itself,

1214
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: the news, that this woman is a troublemaker. She just

1215
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: goes and finds anybody accusing an innocent man or some

1216
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: shit and just and just tries to punish these men.

1217
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that bitch?

1218
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, well, with what I thought about

1219
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: Jesse was a bullshit, then why do I think that

1220
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: about Gloria already? You know, a lot of the way

1221
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: our media is constructed from some is from white men,

1222
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: from the top down, So it's essentially them their point

1223
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: of view all the time, and people start to adopt that,

1224
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: even your most revolutionary people, even the idea that you

1225
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: want to punish people so harshly and for.

1226
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: Social faux pause or for for for for.

1227
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: Mistakes that you don't like, no forgiveness even like low

1228
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: key even cancel culture in the way that we understand

1229
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: it on the left, is white people shit. Even that

1230
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: even that is a is white supremacy. It's still like,

1231
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: none of this ship is really about revolutionary forgiveness or

1232
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: understanding or education.

1233
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: None of it is.

1234
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: It's just how do we replicate what white people do.

1235
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: When white people didn't like Kaepernick, they made sure that

1236
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: he can never show his face for money again in

1237
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: the places that he wanted to go. And that's essentially

1238
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: what the fuck people want to do to all these

1239
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: other people, Like it's just leftovers from that shit. So

1240
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: that's how I end up feeling that way when it

1241
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: comes to that. So like I would encourage people to

1242
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: take a step back and try to do that reflection

1243
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: if you can, and be like why, because sometimes you

1244
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: find out, hey, I do have a lot of good reasons,

1245
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: but a lot of times if you start interrogating, it's like,

1246
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: because everybody else around me talking this shit, so I'm

1247
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: talking this shit and it really ain't got nothing to

1248
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: do with this person.

1249
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then sometimes ask yourself, why am I getting angry?

1250
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: What's my reason? It was my purpose? And do the work.

1251
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: As far as doing your own personal research, the internet

1252
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: is there. If you don't like somebody, go find out

1253
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: what they've done their work. Like that's the part because

1254
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: once you start actually digging, your perspective on this person

1255
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: might change.

1256
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: You might realize everything that been feeding you is a lie.

1257
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: But nobody wants to do that work because that what

1258
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: cause you to have to change.

1259
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just saying, man, I just think about the ship,

1260
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: because that's that's really the start to the unraveling of everything,

1261
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: is just to stop and think about it, you know,

1262
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 2: just like why why am I feeling this way?

1263
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: Why where did I learn this from? Cause?

1264
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: And because like I said, there are some people that

1265
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like, Okay, yeah, they genuinely did some

1266
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: fucked up ship and and and I and they and

1267
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: I really you know, they've been caught red handed.

1268
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: There's also people where it's like there's a lot of

1269
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: smoke over there.

1270
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's fire, but I ain't gotta

1271
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: go in that building to find out, you know, I

1272
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: get that.

1273
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of this that.

1274
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: Just is not really vetted, and and and it's just

1275
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: people joining in the mob. Would you be willing no

1276
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: comments on look, who's stalking our last.

1277
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: Episode to see other episode of the week, but we

1278
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 1: did have a pole.

1279
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to get an app on your

1280
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: phone that verify a your vaccine status?

1281
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: Yes? Or no?

1282
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: Me, no caring somebody else in the room.

1283
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 4: Yes, with stipulations.

1284
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, eighty seven percent, And I say yes as well.

1285
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: I get it. I don't really give a fuck.

1286
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: No thirteen percent say says on my phone, I have

1287
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: an app for my health insurance and app for my

1288
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: right That's.

1289
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: The thing I like on my phone. I have this shit.

1290
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know what people are acting like.

1291
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: They sold like you got an eye watch or fucking fitbit.

1292
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: It's got everything. You can look and see what your

1293
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: heart is beating right now. You can see how much

1294
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: oxygen you're getting right now, how much sleep you're getting in.

1295
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Shit, just just start with the bullshit.

1296
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: You're not off the grid. If you're listening to this podcast,

1297
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: the call is coming from in the house you're not

1298
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: on you own the grid. An app for the for

1299
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: the city health center, I go to checkups as such,

1300
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: There's an app for my life insurance, my car insurance.

1301
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: I even have an app to tracks for Minstra cycle

1302
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: to the day. And still and I say all that

1303
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: to say, what exactly what I be hoting by not

1304
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: having a vaccine app?

1305
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 5: Right?

1306
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: People?

1307
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: Fucking It's like to me, it's almost the same mentality

1308
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: of the people that say shit like well, I don't

1309
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: want to get vaccinated because you know it's too new,

1310
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: or I don't want to get vaccinated because I'm not

1311
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1312
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: I didn't mean I don't want to get vaccine.

1313
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean I don't want to get a vaccine passport

1314
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: because you know I don't I want to go to

1315
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: if I want to go to another country, that's my business. Like, bitch,

1316
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: you've been vaccinated. Did you go through just because you

1317
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: ain't had the coronavirus vaccination? Your ass been vaccinated. If

1318
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: you've ever been outside of this country, your ass been vaccinated.

1319
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: So this ain't no new shit. Stop pretending.

1320
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's how I feel about the I'm not getting

1321
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: that app Stop pretending this is not new ship.

1322
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: You already got CVS or Dwayne Reeves.

1323
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: All your medications right there. Health Care, Yeah, all your doctor's.

1324
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: Appointment right there. Get the fuck out.

1325
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: Of my face, a trim health You can log into

1326
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: your phone and see your fucking the last physical, the

1327
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: physical results right there. Anyway, she goes on to say,

1328
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 2: and all that to say, yeah, oh sorry, matter of fact,

1329
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: Verizona in the United States government, probably in the group

1330
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: chat right now, shaking their head about me, order a

1331
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: second Uber East order of the day.

1332
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: Here she go with the calories again. We tried to

1333
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: tell her, Oh she she's she going with the little man.

1334
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the emails. The blackoutis at

1335
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Is the last thing before we get.

1336
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: Out of here.

1337
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: Uh Keana, Queana, I believe it is how you said.

1338
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: Quanna says, I've missed y'all, Hey and Caaren, I've been real.

1339
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: It's been real in these Covidian streets, and I've missed

1340
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of episodes. So I'm bingch listening to catch up.

1341
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 2: The thing that I love about child is it doesn't

1342
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: matter how long i's been since I've listened last. I

1343
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: can always jump right back in to feel at home.

1344
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: I love you, niggas, Thank you. That's the goal. Honestly,

1345
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: that's a goal.

1346
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 4: We understand.

1347
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: We put out a lot of shit and everybody can't

1348
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 3: this and everything we talking to vast niggas.

1349
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1350
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: I treat this the same way you would treat like

1351
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: the radio show.

1352
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Right, every show. Yeah, So if you want to listen, good, right.

1353
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 4: That's great. But but but it's not an obligation this podcast.

1354
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: I listen to most or if not everything they put out,

1355
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: and then that's some podcasts I check in and we

1356
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: could be that for just different people. I've listened to

1357
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: the episode with Roy Wood Jr. Now and I'm loving

1358
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: this dialogue. Does anyone else we want to show halfway

1359
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: through and listen again? Just me?

1360
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: Okay? I agree with.

1361
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: Y'all wholeheartedly that everyone should have a job where they

1362
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: have to interact with the public to learn some empathy, compassion,

1363
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: and hopefully how not to be a jerk to the

1364
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: nigga taking your order at the dang Starbucks. I'll never

1365
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 2: forget working at a retail furniture store and getting robbed

1366
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: at gunpoint dude. Damn, I'm so dumb. At first, I

1367
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: was like, these niggas was robbing y'all a furniture. Then

1368
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, the money, the money does.

1369
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: That was like, yes, give me that love set and

1370
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: that and and and in the chair shaped like an al.

1371
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what.

1372
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: That's called section off, but yes, they just come in

1373
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: with a gun and be like wait till, wait till

1374
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: we back up the truck first, and you.

1375
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: Know I want the good matches. Give me a goddamn

1376
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 4: sleep number.

1377
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: We robbed a U haul earlier for this truck, and

1378
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: now we robbed y'all.

1379
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I want to eye him in.

1380
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna go take a tour of a home.

1381
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rob them for the home because I forgot

1382
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: how robbery works, y'all.

1383
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: That's how you know I'm a square.

1384
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: Dude walked in with that thing on him and he

1385
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: was like, open the registers, bruh, no problem, that's all you,

1386
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: my guy. Then they made someone take them upstairs or

1387
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: they kept it safe.

1388
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: See that's why you don't never want that job.

1389
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm still convinced that my uglass coworker, Kelvin set us

1390
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: up to get robbed because no one on the outside

1391
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: would know we had safe upstairs in the back office. Anyway,

1392
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: while that was going on, me and the other woman

1393
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: I worked with ran out, went to the apartments across

1394
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: the street and called the police. After they came and

1395
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: got all the statements. Thankfully no one was physically hurt.

1396
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: We had a staff meeting. My boss was like, I'm

1397
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: glad you getting struggle and.

1398
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: Just gave up the money.

1399
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 2: Bitch, you did you think I'll fight for this raggedy

1400
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: ass establishment.

1401
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: Come on, they got his shirt.

1402
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: Fuck out, not fighting for I'm not dying for rent

1403
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: a Center kind of fucking news articles.

1404
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be an observer.

1405
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 4: Right, and they're gonna be like, you know, we saw

1406
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 4: you got shot.

1407
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 3: By the way, you gotta get fired because it's in

1408
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: our rules that you don't do shit.

1409
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: Like this, Like is your last name rent Center? Then

1410
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: why the fuck are you getting shot for? They high

1411
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: interest loan ass washing machine. You can make this money back,

1412
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: but if I'm dead, that's it. My mama ain't about

1413
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: to buy no buy black on black dress because I

1414
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: was out here trying to be a Marvel hero.

1415
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 4: Fucked that, Come on, but don't bounce off me.

1416
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 2: I know people who try to turn into anti robberty

1417
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: task Force voutron and save the company property.

1418
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: Nope, not me, nigga. I got too much to live

1419
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: for to get shot over some fool.

1420
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 4: You're fucking around with me.

1421
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: I unplugged, I unplugged the register it and just give

1422
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: you the whole fucking you want it. Wait a minute,

1423
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: let me take the screws. I think it's boted. You

1424
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: know you do you want the drawer or or I unplug.

1425
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 4: It for you?

1426
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean shit, I take it to the car. I'm

1427
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 3: not no, don't want don't want no heat.

1428
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: You beat the hell up or you dead, And the

1429
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: next day your job gets advertised on indeed dot com,

1430
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 2: as it will anyway.

1431
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: Before I end this, I just want to say I'm

1432
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: so proud of y'all. I love y'all. That's it. Have

1433
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: a wonderful day. Thank you, thank you, appreciate you.

1434
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: Que and uh yes, yes I told you man. I

1435
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: worked at a place where a dude out after something.

1436
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: I was like this, niggas gonna die. I'm like like

1437
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: I was, and I was young, like I was seventeen

1438
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: or eighteen, and he was old. I was like, it's

1439
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: mother fucking fit to die for media play, not on

1440
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: my obituary.

1441
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 3: I guess what in the place ain't even fucking around

1442
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 3: no more, take some bullets for a place.

1443
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: To de right right?

1444
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: You done got killed for radio shock or a circus

1445
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 2: city or some shit.

1446
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: John Wright saying, good morning Rod and Karen.

1447
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 4: Rod.

1448
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: You mentioned our national obsession with guns this week, and

1449
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: it made me wonder, in the time that you spent

1450
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: exploring Police Abolition podcast that any of the models address

1451
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,879
Speaker 2: actually addressed the problem of America having so many guns

1452
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: and so few laws to restrict their use.

1453
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: No, let me just let me just stop you right

1454
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: that player?

1455
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 4: No?

1456
01:10:46,520 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: No, yeah, not not one, not one, no that.

1457
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: But that's the thing I'm like, I said, Man, I'm

1458
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: not trying.

1459
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: To be a dick. I really am not. But this

1460
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: is just where I'm at right now.

1461
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: I just and maybe I'll change, maybe somebody will say something,

1462
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: or I'll be inspired by something, but I don't.

1463
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: I think abolish the Police.

1464
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: Is just a new get out of jail free card

1465
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: of the conversation, because then we can have a semantic

1466
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: argument about what does the abolition look like, and then

1467
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 2: you can make yourself seem the most woke, because anybody

1468
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: that says anything other than you doesn't know, you know,

1469
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 2: like I saw somebody shit, somebody, I saw a bunch

1470
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: of people. This is going down the timeline so much

1471
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: this week that I honestly like, I didn't respond to

1472
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: anybody saying it, but I just it's one of those

1473
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: things that sounds smart, but it's not smart.

1474
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: Because people, I forget what I said.

1475
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: But someone was like in my mentions because they you know,

1476
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: sometimes people go on your mentions on social media and

1477
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: they have an argument or debate or go back and

1478
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 2: forth with other people. And there was this person Blue Steel, DC,

1479
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: who was so patient and so nice and so like

1480
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: you could tell they had really thought about this and

1481
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 2: they were listening. But they were also like, listen, we're

1482
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: not abolishing the police.

1483
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen.

1484
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 2: And if we can dream of anything, right, you can

1485
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: dream of abolition. That's how brilliant and revolutionary your mind is.

1486
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: You can dream of a world where we don't even

1487
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: need police and every need is met and everybody's taking

1488
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 2: care of Okay, She's like, I can dream of a

1489
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 2: world or the police don't have to be racism don't

1490
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: have to be There's other countries in the world that

1491
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: have police. There's actually no civilization that doesn't have police.

1492
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: So I can.

1493
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: Believe in a world where we can rethink this the

1494
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: idea of some enforcement of laws that doesn't require that

1495
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: that person also had to be a raging, fucking racist.

1496
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: Right now, that's their dream, But there's but that dream

1497
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: is invalid. But completely imagining a world where there is

1498
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: no police and no need for policing at all is

1499
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: not how those both those.

1500
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: Are both compared to where we are now.

1501
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: Both of those are revolutionary dreams, but one is being

1502
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: pitched as you clearly don't give a fuck about black

1503
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,440
Speaker 2: people because or you just don't care that about policing

1504
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: because you don't want to abolish it as an institution.

1505
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: Period.

1506
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't I think both of those things

1507
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: would be better than what we have now as far

1508
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: as as far as what the current state of policing.

1509
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: Right that being said, no, no one ever brings up

1510
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: the inconvenient shit when it comes to these like very

1511
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: liberal talking point that And that's why I don't really

1512
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: traffic in that arena, because it's like I have real concerns.

1513
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: If you bring them up, you consider to be like

1514
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: either anti black or anti woke or whatever the fuck.

1515
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: And it's exhausted and it's stupid because at the end

1516
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,440
Speaker 2: of the day, none of these niggas.

1517
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: Are gonna get that shit and make it happen.

1518
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: So why the fuck do I even care that you So,

1519
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: all I've done is giving you a reason to be

1520
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: upset with me for some.

1521
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: Shit that ain't gonna happen. You know what I mean.

1522
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: I want to abolish the police me that's not gonna happen,

1523
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: and you definitely not gonna convince most black people to

1524
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: go along with that, even in this climate. Well you

1525
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: must just be fine. You just missed the police. I'm like, oh,

1526
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 2: never mind, I'm sorry, you know what.

1527
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: Carry on. But anyway, the statement I kept reading, I

1528
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: forgot to tell you. It was.

1529
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: People keep saying and of course it was a not

1530
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: black person. I say all that said this at first,

1531
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: but other.

1532
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: People was retreating it. That shit. But it was people

1533
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: keep saying that.

1534
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: I was sorry, it's funny because it's so it's so stupid,

1535
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,520
Speaker 2: but they thought it was so smart, all right, but

1536
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: they were being serious.

1537
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try to be serious.

1538
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 2: It was like people keep saying that they can't imagine

1539
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: a world without police. Well, the world didn't always have police,

1540
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 2: and uh the statement, yeah yeah, and I know that

1541
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 2: sounds really smart. It's like, yeah, before police, Yeah, we didn't.

1542
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: This is you know, it's to them, it's like ice.

1543
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: We didn't always have ice, And I'm like, I agree

1544
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: with that when we didn't, but we didn't always have police.

1545
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Do you know what we had before police?

1546
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: Does everybody remember what we had before police in America?

1547
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 5: And do you know we have for slave catchers slaver

1548
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 5: read Come on, it's never been good for black people

1549
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 5: here ever, I would submit it's better now than it's

1550
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 5: ever been and it still ain't good enough.

1551
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: But nigga that I was. It was just one of

1552
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: those things.

1553
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, didn't nobody read the who gonna tell him?

1554
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: You know?

1555
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: Because he thought that shit was so whoa he was like.

1556
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 4: Got him.

1557
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 2: You see, we didn't always have police, so that we

1558
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,480
Speaker 2: can just make a world without I'm like, before.

1559
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: Police they did, they just had slavery.

1560
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: That's not deep at all, Like I mean, you know,

1561
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: have that radical thought of a world without any police,

1562
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: but understand will be the first ever. I understand that

1563
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: there's not a model here, you know. And the other

1564
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: thing I saw it was like people keeps telling me

1565
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: to uh to explain how abolition works, but they don't

1566
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: want to explain how why uh reh rehabilitating or whatever.

1567
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: I forget the exact words, but why why you.

1568
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: Know, re re re changing up the police, reforming the

1569
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: police doesn't work, or something like that. And I was

1570
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: like those, First of all, that's not true. People can't

1571
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: explain to you why reform hasn't worked in the past

1572
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 2: and why they think they can get it to work now.

1573
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: Have you talked to them now? You don't have to

1574
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 2: agree with them. But that's not even a true statement.

1575
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: The people that are talking about different reforms and shit

1576
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: now will give you exactly explicit reasons on why they

1577
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: think they can they can do it.

1578
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay. The second part of it though, so I.

1579
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: Don't have to explain, bitch, you are trying to change

1580
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: all of society.

1581
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: That's that's like saying they.

1582
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 2: Don't have to explain. I feel like that's what happened

1583
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: when they first came.

1584
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: Up with police.

1585
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: I was like, Uh, you want me to expla how

1586
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,799
Speaker 2: slave catching works? I mean, you want me to explain

1587
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 2: how getting a police force will work and not be racist,

1588
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: but you don't want me to explain. Why don't you

1589
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: have to explain how slave catches work? Explain that. I'm like,

1590
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: that's not no fucking truth bomb, like, because that's how

1591
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: the shit keeps going.

1592
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: Is the next thing is fucked up too, and this

1593
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: abolition ship could be fucked up.

1594
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 2: You could go back to Pinkerton's and fucking private police

1595
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 2: force and all these fucking guns that all these white

1596
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 2: people still have and will have tomorrow.

1597
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, it could go right back to that shit.

1598
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: You know, Like, it's not it's not just some cut

1599
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: and dry shit because the racism is a feature, is

1600
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: not a bug. You can't just solve this shit with

1601
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 2: throwing some buzzwords on top of it. Socialism, okay, and

1602
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna be racist. Socialism abolition is gonna be racist abolition.

1603
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: That's how it's gonna work. So how we're gonna solve

1604
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: for the racism? What do we do to keep that

1605
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: in check?

1606
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 2: You know, in this world where we have no police

1607
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 2: and white supremacists still do mass shootings, what is the plan?

1608
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: And I'm a dick for wanting to know what the

1609
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: fucking plan is.

1610
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 4: I'm the bad guy.

1611
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:14,839
Speaker 1: I hate black people and I love the police.

1612
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: If I ask that because it's inconvenient, You're trying to

1613
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,879
Speaker 2: solve an inconvenient problem.

1614
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: So be honest with people. That's the whole fucking thing.

1615
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 2: And maybe that's the problem is that the honesty will

1616
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: rely on you saying some shit that's not popular, or

1617
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: saying some shit that is scary, or saying I don't know,

1618
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: And nobody wants to have that moment so because they

1619
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 2: think they'll lose ground on this very important issue. But

1620
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're not gaining ground by avoiding talking about

1621
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: it because scared people cling to what they know.

1622
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because I remember us sitting in a

1623
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 3: car and you would play, like do listen to different podcasts,

1624
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: And every time we would listen to somebody talk about it,

1625
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: like I would fucking get in raised because I was like,

1626
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, this is something like Roger

1627
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: would literally have to sit in and hear me rent

1628
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 3: for twenty minutes because I was like, the fuck, no,

1629
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,839
Speaker 3: what is the answer, Like, give me a motherfucking answer,

1630
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 3: don't skirt around it or act like this shit don't

1631
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 3: impact you or affect you, and I'm supposed to be

1632
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 3: okay with a no solution.

1633
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: It's like that time I realized that all the prison

1634
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: abolitionists that were getting interviewed in prison, they would always

1635
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: be like, well, when you go, well, what about these horrible,

1636
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: horrendous crimes where people do shit that is essentially almost

1637
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: unforgivable and we can't just put them back in society

1638
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: like nothing happened.

1639
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: And they'd always be like, well, I was raped and

1640
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: I forgave my And it's like that's not an answer.

1641
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: No, it is not.

1642
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: That's your personal thing. That's not an answer. You're talking

1643
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 2: about reforming society. So unless you're gonna say, unless you're

1644
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: gonna go to the next level and go and I

1645
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 2: will require that every one in society feel the way

1646
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: I feel about this, then then then your plan isn't.

1647
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: A real plan.

1648
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,560
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna tell you right now, if a motherfucker

1649
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 2: do something to my family and and the next day

1650
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: they just like, he get.

1651
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: To go out of jail free. It is no big deal.

1652
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 2: He killed your cousin, or he did some shit to you,

1653
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: to your niece or some shit, and it's like, well, Hey,

1654
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: ain't no such thing as as any type of crime

1655
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: punishment type shit.

1656
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: We didn't need we didn't need.

1657
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: To come up with that. We didn't feel the need

1658
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: to explain any of this to anybody. We just like, hey,

1659
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: fuck it, if I see the nigg on the street,

1660
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: guess who else is gonna be on the street again

1661
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: to Mike's day me, you know.

1662
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: What I mean? Because what the fuck is that?

1663
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 4: Like it?

1664
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 2: So it's it's okay to be able to say, like, yeah,

1665
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 2: we need to come up with some some some things,

1666
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 2: some rules.

1667
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: And play regulations.

1668
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: It's not it's no one's no one's being mean to you,

1669
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: no one's no one's trying to side with the police

1670
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: on this.

1671
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Everybody is.

1672
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: You know. It's like getting mad at Obama for being like, yeah,

1673
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: defulding the police turns a lot of people off.

1674
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh here we go with the cemented.

1675
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, fuck it, dog, go ahead and

1676
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: just keep doing your thing. And when it don't happen,

1677
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 2: I'll just continue to be over here trying to figure

1678
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: out what we're gonna do, because that's what just I

1679
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: really feel like I think it's an opt out now

1680
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: all right back to this, But yeah, as far as

1681
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: I've seen, it seems like when the big elfits in

1682
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: the room, the abolition advocates never discussed in any detail

1683
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 2: of meaningful way. I read some police killing number comparisons

1684
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: of America versus other countries and the other day, and

1685
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: it's absolutely wild how we seem to be the only

1686
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: country that has police killing triple digits of people every year.

1687
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: Even adjusting for population, we are an outlier in this regard.

1688
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: YEP.

1689
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: When you consider what is difference between us and them,

1690
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: the first obvious factor is guns. I don't think we

1691
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: can have any large scale reimagining of our law enforcement

1692
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: without gun control being a pretty significant part of plan.

1693
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: The good news, however, is looking around at all these

1694
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: other countries that only have a handful of police killings

1695
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: each year, it shows that there are lots of other

1696
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: reforms that can make a pretty sizable debt and the

1697
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: problem here, Many of which like talking taking armed police

1698
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,520
Speaker 2: out of traffic stops and mental health crisises and Maryland's

1699
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: recent repeal of the Police Officers Bill of Rights and

1700
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: creation of a civilian oversight commission with real investigative and

1701
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 2: disciplinary powers are pretty major steps.

1702
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: To give me a bit of hope.

1703
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, it takes time, so we'll

1704
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: see if those things work. But I think a lot

1705
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: of these ideas are good ideas. I don't want I

1706
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: just want to win. I don't want anything in the

1707
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 2: way of winning. I don't give a fuck if it

1708
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: makes people feel good. I do care if it has

1709
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: good results, which is why I completely understand and support

1710
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: defund the police. I don't even use the phrase like

1711
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: that because I'm just like, let's win. If I can

1712
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 2: get you on my side by having you agree with

1713
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: what I want, then I just want to do that.

1714
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what you call it. Let's

1715
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: just do it. It's like if if we found out

1716
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 2: the difference between It's like we found out the difference

1717
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: between the civil rights movement was calling it either the

1718
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 2: civil rights movement or calling it, you know, fuck the

1719
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: white people. It's like, yeah, I just call it civil

1720
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: rights and get the civil rights, you know what. I'd

1721
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 2: rather just get the progress while we can get it.

1722
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: Then I know we'd like to all say and where

1723
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: fuck the white people's shirts, But then we won't get it.

1724
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: And that kind of seems to be the opposite of

1725
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 2: the point. Yes, Anyway, waking up every morning knowing that

1726
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: we would likely to see another black person killed by

1727
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: police or another mass shooting is really exhausted. So I

1728
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: appreciate all the last y'all provide us. Really love an

1729
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: episode with Diamond Styles and Return to Jail COVID two

1730
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 2: really great fun episodes.

1731
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 1: PS.

1732
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 2: If you're still in the cooking shows and haven't seen

1733
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: them yet, highly suggest to check out Salt Fat, Asset Heat. Yeah,

1734
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: I have that saved on my Netflix, I Believe and

1735
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: Taste of a Nation.

1736
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: I have not watched that one.

1737
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: Both are hosted by pretty amazing Southeast Asian women and

1738
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 2: focus on diversity and contribution to immigrants to American cuisine

1739
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: and culture, and Padma like Lakshmi, host to Taste the Nation,

1740
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: is not only a pretty vocal advocate for women, immigrants,

1741
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: and racial justice, but she's also fine as fuck.

1742
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: Well you know what, I do support people being fine

1743
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: as fuck.

1744
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's a big, big, big, big part of

1745
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: my uh my big tent policy. Okay, we watched a

1746
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 2: bunch of cooking shows over the past few years, and

1747
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: there these are the only two that stood out, uh

1748
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 2: most most and weren't trying to be all edgy, douche

1749
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: your field with manufactured drama. Congratulate your vaccination, stay safe,

1750
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 2: peace and love to you both.

1751
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: John. Thanks John. Yeah.

1752
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 2: Uh, and I fuck with like that Chef show and

1753
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: some other shit too, So it's I'm you know, I

1754
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: just like, I just don't like to put the food

1755
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 2: competition shows. That shit doesn't make no sense to me.

1756
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Although I did hear the Great British Breakoff is lit.

1757
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 1: Because they don't really take it that serious.

1758
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 2: But anyway, I got to get out of here on

1759
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: clos I'm already late to be on three Guys on

1760
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you guys. Uh, we'll talk to you guys tomorrow.

1761
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 2: No guest tomorrow, but we'll be here and we should

1762
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: have guests throughout the next couple of weeks though.

1763
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: I know Michael Smith from ESPN is going to be

1764
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: on the show. Uh. Vernon and Corey from Living Color

1765
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: going to be on the show.

1766
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 5: Uh.

1767
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: Mike Caplin's gonna be on the show in a few weeks.

1768
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: So looking forward to all those Until next time.

1769
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 4: I love you, I love you too.

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01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: Wow