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Speaker 2: I drove to Nashville with tears in my eyes.
Speaker 3: I knew my father loved me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know he was the love of a monster.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, pick up, pick up, pick up,
Speaker 4: pick up, pick up.
Speaker 5: Come ontill Campbell, j.
Speaker 6: Julian, where are you?
Speaker 7: On my way to meet LeBlanc and ask her.
Speaker 8: Where are you?
Speaker 9: I have something something new?
Speaker 3: What do you mean, I have some new evidence? I
Speaker 3: know who did it?
Speaker 7: Okay, Chilien, Just slow down.
Speaker 3: Now what are you saying?
Speaker 9: I know who killed them?
Speaker 10: The beasts of dough to the tree.
Speaker 11: To leave.
Speaker 9: Ye, the dread saw.
Speaker 12: You know we got your bunny Tyler here too, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's right across the all and he's already told
Speaker 5: us the truth. So what's it gonna be?
Speaker 3: Your story or his?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 13: Talk James Venture wanted to take them out to the caves, didn't.
Speaker 6: He for me?
Speaker 8: Maybe so.
Speaker 12: Maybe those dark evil games, even God go near their.
Speaker 5: Small desperate voices going out.
Speaker 12: But I believe someone else did hear, and I imagine,
Speaker 12: but he made miss O'Leary an offer.
Speaker 5: This is the same scarf here in my hand, I believe,
Speaker 5: And you see here why it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 13: Missus solas, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
Speaker 13: found at the crime scene, red won fibers, just like
Speaker 13: the ones found under Thomas Hedley's fingernails, sturt around.
Speaker 5: Face the scene. You gonna shoot me?
Speaker 11: Paul Finch was going to be executed in a matter
Speaker 11: of hours for a crime he didn't commit. I drove
Speaker 11: to Nashville, and as I looked at the red scarf
Speaker 11: on the passenger seat, it triggered something just lodged a memory.
Speaker 9: Dad.
Speaker 14: It was a memory of the day my father broke.
Speaker 11: The fog retreated in the memory of it slammed across
Speaker 11: my mind hard and pointed a perfect reprisal of his backswing.
Speaker 12: This is your fault.
Speaker 14: I remember.
Speaker 11: The impact felt wet when he did, it smelled metallic,
Speaker 11: and when I touched the back of my lips. My
Speaker 11: fingers came back red.
Speaker 3: Dead, edible, Have I bleeding?
Speaker 10: That's not your blood, boy, I'm your father. Use my
Speaker 10: job to protect you. This is all because of that boy.
Speaker 10: If he hadn't shown up right after your mother died.
Speaker 10: Now I have nose how any boys, was unfortunate mistake, horrible,
Speaker 10: horrible accident.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure.
Speaker 9: Good.
Speaker 10: I should have taught you better, but I was. I
Speaker 10: was too soft and let your mother stop me. But
Speaker 10: it was a mistake. If someone hits you, you hit
Speaker 10: that harder. If only you would have told me, If only,
Speaker 10: if only I knew they were beaten, my boy, I could.
Speaker 3: Have stopped it.
Speaker 5: I would have.
Speaker 10: I would have pulled Bobby Hadley out of his fucking yukon,
Speaker 10: get the living shut out of him in.
Speaker 3: Front of his tool rad face, little fucking cat.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 10: But I didn't. They want to take you away from me?
Speaker 9: That just you just sit down.
Speaker 10: What am I supposed to do to you? Can listen
Speaker 10: to me. You were gonna step up, step right up
Speaker 10: on that stand. You hear me, and you're gonna tell
Speaker 10: them exactly what they want to hear.
Speaker 8: What you tell.
Speaker 10: Them under oath James Fincher killed Deacon and Thomas Hadeny.
Speaker 9: What what do you say now?
Speaker 10: You saw it happen to James Fincher killed Deacon and
Speaker 10: Thomas Adney, But he didn't didn't What did I just
Speaker 10: say to you? They wanted to be James Fincher, hold
Speaker 10: down Hooper's begging for it, and you you are gonna
Speaker 10: give them what they want. They'll take you away. They'll
Speaker 10: take you away from me. So better him than you
Speaker 10: say away what they want to Men't do that for me,
Speaker 10: for your mother? Please, I'm begging you. Don't hear what
Speaker 10: I just said?
Speaker 12: Do you hear me?
Speaker 11: This memory had been so perfectly, so neatly hidden, my
Speaker 11: father stepping into the doorway from my room, hesitating, reaching
Speaker 11: down and picking it up. The red scarf, the same
Speaker 11: red scarf, now tattered and kate to a dirt, lying
Speaker 11: here in the passenger seat beside me, and my father
Speaker 11: held the scarf to his nose. Still smells Lacker, he said,
Speaker 11: it still smells like your mother.
Speaker 2: And as I remember this, this image of my father
Speaker 2: silhouetted in the doorway, wearing coveralls and cradle in the
Speaker 2: red scarf, delicate lane is cracked in galowstands.
Speaker 11: I knew that he's never left, not completely.
Speaker 2: No, he's still here.
Speaker 14: Or what remains of his tortured soul, A gray man
Speaker 14: who lurks in the fog of Manawa County, or at
Speaker 14: least in the long shadows of my mind, watching trying
Speaker 14: to make contact, trying to tell me something.
Speaker 8: Of your behind now more until the out of school.
Speaker 3: Good morning, LeBlanc.
Speaker 5: I need to see him.
Speaker 3: He's expecting me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that looks let's let's not over there, mister LeBlanc.
Speaker 3: I uh, Jesus, Julian, where are you covered in dirt?
Speaker 3: Mister LeBlanc?
Speaker 7: And Julian, I was just explaining to Ed that you
Speaker 7: may have found something.
Speaker 1: The hell is that a scarf?
Speaker 15: That's a scarf.
Speaker 5: Just listen, Alsole, you were under arrest. You have the
Speaker 5: right to remain, Okay, I'm sorry. That's my dad.
Speaker 3: I'm not like you. That's my father.
Speaker 5: I won't do anything I have to do.
Speaker 10: My boh, my god, to take the Smith's car was
Speaker 10: found in the gorge down below Orlon.
Speaker 3: It wasn't Fincher, it was my father.
Speaker 7: Julian, I think you should.
Speaker 8: Have sitt out.
Speaker 3: I'll get some water.
Speaker 10: It was my father.
Speaker 16: My God.
Speaker 7: I don't need to get these to the lab.
Speaker 3: We don't have much time.
Speaker 11: LeBlanc and Joe Campbell pairing materials for the governor's review.
Speaker 11: So I left LeBlanc's office and headed for the River
Speaker 11: Been Maximum Security Prison.
Speaker 3: It's only thirteen.
Speaker 11: Miles from the Blunk's office. I went to tell Finch
Speaker 11: everything that I'd found new evidence that could save his life,
Speaker 11: to tell him that I'd uncovered the truth once and
Speaker 11: for all about who murdered Thomas and Deacon Hadley. Julian
Speaker 11: hey man, listen, thank you for putting me on the
Speaker 11: list today of old days, Finch. I am here to
Speaker 11: tell you something, something big.
Speaker 17: Come on, man, No, no, no, I'm not kiddings, Sonny
Speaker 17: or as a folk.
Speaker 12: You're my last visitor after this. They're moving me where.
Speaker 17: The death house, and I'm looking forward to the ride
Speaker 17: over because it will be the last time that I
Speaker 17: get to see the light of day.
Speaker 12: So I was hoping for some shine.
Speaker 11: It won't be your last. There is still time for
Speaker 11: a petition for a of execution, and we.
Speaker 3: Have enough evidence now we can stop this.
Speaker 12: Oh no, okay, listen.
Speaker 2: I went to my old house and what I found.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm still trying to understand it.
Speaker 3: Finish backed red scarf.
Speaker 12: It found it under the old oak tree, right.
Speaker 3: You talked to Dina. No, how do you know about that.
Speaker 8: Shit?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 3: You had that fucking scarf on the day I met you.
Speaker 5: I don't remember. You really don't remember the red scarf.
Speaker 2: My mom made it from my father.
Speaker 5: Not exactly.
Speaker 12: I guess that's part of the deal.
Speaker 5: What deal?
Speaker 11: You're not making any fucking sense.
Speaker 9: Finished deal.
Speaker 12: It's a deal.
Speaker 17: As old as mankind, remember, miss o'larry Finch.
Speaker 9: I don't want to talk about that mail deal for a.
Speaker 12: Daughter, please Finch.
Speaker 9: We don't have much time.
Speaker 17: And all their bloodline to protect her family treat from extinction.
Speaker 5: She sold it.
Speaker 12: She sold it to that devil in the caves, and.
Speaker 6: Every poor soul descended from that line as forever more
Speaker 6: old a debt to him.
Speaker 3: I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you will. You will remember.
Speaker 12: That scarf too.
Speaker 17: The first time I saw you in the red scarf,
Speaker 17: I thought you was a poser.
Speaker 12: I want to or some shit. BETI. I used to
Speaker 12: laugh and pick on you for it, because I used
Speaker 12: to wear that red ass thing every day, even that
Speaker 12: hot ass summer.
Speaker 17: You were nice to me. No one else would even
Speaker 17: talk to me, hated me before I even said a word,
Speaker 17: But you were nice to me. Why were you.
Speaker 3: Nice to me?
Speaker 11: All of a sudden, all of my fear and confusion
Speaker 11: melted away urgency too. The whole world seemed to stop,
Speaker 11: and the past and the future stretched endlessly outward.
Speaker 14: From this point.
Speaker 3: For the first time since we were just.
Speaker 11: I dropped into the present moment with them, just the
Speaker 11: two of us, momentarily protected from the inevitability of time itself.
Speaker 10: Why were you nice to me?
Speaker 3: Because you were alone, you were suffering.
Speaker 18: I know what that feels like, when the whole world
Speaker 18: is cruel to you and you feel like something is
Speaker 18: wrong with you, and like you don't belong, like you
Speaker 18: are unlovable.
Speaker 12: You had someone, though, someone that loved you.
Speaker 3: More than anything. Strange.
Speaker 11: I forgot all about that scarf, but it's coming back
Speaker 11: to me now.
Speaker 12: My mother, that's right. I thought she made it from
Speaker 12: my father, but no, she made it.
Speaker 19: For you, maybe while she was dying.
Speaker 12: You know, it's interesting how an object can travel through
Speaker 12: time and come to represent something completely different than it
Speaker 12: once did.
Speaker 5: For you.
Speaker 12: That scarf was a gift from your.
Speaker 3: Mother, Laura.
Speaker 12: Her hands almost skeletal, they shook so bad from the
Speaker 12: little mind. She could barely hold the knitting legal. She
Speaker 12: couldn't grab through the back of the stitch with her
Speaker 12: forefinger and her thumb, so she used her teeth. That's
Speaker 12: why it smelled like her lip bomb, the only thing
Speaker 12: she had to keep her lips from cracking.
Speaker 5: She was so frail there at the end, it's.
Speaker 12: Gone pale, all skin and bones and ball, but her
Speaker 12: lips they were still shining, and she still smiled wide.
Speaker 12: She finished the scarf though something I remember it bout.
Speaker 12: She did something to keep her boy warm after she
Speaker 12: was gone, to shelter you against all the cold and
Speaker 12: all the darkness in the world, and most of all,
Speaker 12: to shelter you from the devil from him. She was tough,
Speaker 12: though your mother. When the devil came to collect his
Speaker 12: debt from Laura Solace, she refused, you know, but that
Speaker 12: she refused. She refused, and the devil took her instead.
Speaker 12: But he didn't take her right away. He took his time.
Speaker 12: He made her suffer. And now that same red scarf
Speaker 12: has traveled through time.
Speaker 3: Now it's something else.
Speaker 12: Now it's evidence, torn pieces of it were found near
Speaker 12: the bodies by the cave, wool fibers underneath Thomas's fingernails,
Speaker 12: but the prosecution could never find the article of clothing.
Speaker 12: Those fibers belonged to him. They never knew about the
Speaker 12: red scarf. Poor Thomas Hadley. His legs didn't work anymore
Speaker 12: because of the fall, but he clawed with all the
Speaker 12: strength he had left in him, his fingers grasping desperately,
Speaker 12: blindly catching hold of that scarf and hanging on for
Speaker 12: dear life. Anyway, what once represented everlasting love and warmth
Speaker 12: and protection is now just a emblem of death.
Speaker 20: But right before she died, your mother, right before she
Speaker 20: closed her eyes for good, do you remember what she
Speaker 20: told you?
Speaker 9: No, tell me, Please tell me.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 12: Forgive him, forgive Your father said he's got the darkness
Speaker 12: inside him too, said you all did though, said it
Speaker 12: was in your blo uh, the family curse. But for
Speaker 12: kif him, because.
Speaker 5: He loves you.
Speaker 9: It was him, Finch, it was him, It was him.
Speaker 5: Your dad.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yes, you do that, didn't you?
Speaker 9: You've known all along well.
Speaker 12: I thought you might say that. I dreamed you thinking it.
Speaker 3: It's true, isn't it?
Speaker 12: I've said too much already. Besides, that's for you to
Speaker 12: figure out, Julian, And when you do, you'll you'll know
Speaker 12: what you need to do, what.
Speaker 3: Exactly do what I need to do?
Speaker 6: Remove yourself, remove yourself from the situations.
Speaker 3: If you know the truth. And why have you never
Speaker 3: said it?
Speaker 11: Why are you waiting in this fucking cell until they
Speaker 11: put you to death?
Speaker 10: Why keep it a secret?
Speaker 3: Why give them what they want?
Speaker 9: Why do you want to be their monster when you
Speaker 9: know that you're not.
Speaker 3: You're not a monster, Finch, You're my friend.
Speaker 12: And it it's taking me a long time to forgive
Speaker 12: you after you betrayed me. What did you I don't
Speaker 12: have a choice. Those feelings of betrayal are never gonna help.
Speaker 12: Forgiveness is a powerful thing. It is the most powerful thing.
Speaker 12: I can almost see her now, your mama sitting on
Speaker 12: her death bed, devil binder. You had to lean into
Speaker 12: her speak because she was too weak to sit up herself.
Speaker 12: And she placed that red scarf around your neck, and
Speaker 12: she looked you in the eye. Do you remember what
Speaker 12: she said? Forgive yourself too?
Speaker 19: Mm hmm, Dina, Dina.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 8: I don't know exactly. It's a package. Just got home
Speaker 8: and found it here my front steps. It's for you
Speaker 8: mey're Julian for you?
Speaker 14: Wait, who's it from?
Speaker 8: That's from Dollar.
Speaker 14: I'll light over right now.
Speaker 2: Hey, Tina, Julian, you look really nice.
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I actually haven't wont to dress, probably since I was
Speaker 8: a little girl. It's Grandma's half a century old or something,
Speaker 8: got a few mouth holes. But I thought i'd wear
Speaker 8: it for the observance. I mean, what are you supposed
Speaker 8: to wear to your brother's execution? I do not know
Speaker 8: when it's the last time you'll ever see me again,
Speaker 8: so I figured I should wear something pretty, just my
Speaker 8: abode dress.
Speaker 3: There's still a chance.
Speaker 5: Have you heard from.
Speaker 8: Jill or talk to her twenty minutes ago? The governor
Speaker 8: has the letter.
Speaker 11: Has he said he wouldn't consider the request.
Speaker 8: Hasn't said anything, hasn't responded at all.
Speaker 3: There's still time.
Speaker 8: Six hours, thirty five minutes either way, I gotta be prepared, don't.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna no you ate religious hub, but he please
Speaker 8: say a little prayer for James.
Speaker 10: Yes, come in.
Speaker 8: Hello, Wait, what are you for real? Are you really
Speaker 8: telling me this right now? Oh? My god? Oh, my god.
Speaker 8: What okay, okay, what do I do right now?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 8: What channel?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 8: Thanks Jill? What there's that been in? They're gonna delay
Speaker 8: the execution? Is there not the TV channel? Nun?
Speaker 15: As Christians, we can't let a man be put to
Speaker 15: death when new evidence has come to light they could
Speaker 15: prove his innocence.
Speaker 5: Next question, the appeals have all been denied?
Speaker 10: Is there a.
Speaker 15: President for all appeals have been tonight? Those appeals and
Speaker 15: court decisions were made before this new evidence, and we
Speaker 15: need to open this thing back up and go.
Speaker 8: Okay, I guess I could take this dress off.
Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, it's a nice dress.
Speaker 14: Though.
Speaker 3: You look.
Speaker 11: Really nice, he thinks, So I don you like.
Speaker 8: Sult me just for.
Speaker 11: I held her for a long time, standing in her
Speaker 11: living room. Outside, the wind began to blow and the
Speaker 11: rain began to fall.
Speaker 14: A storm was coming.
Speaker 11: She gave me the package from Tyler, my name with
Speaker 11: her address. He'd overnighted it, a small white box with
Speaker 11: only his initials and no return address. Finch wasn't a
Speaker 11: free man, but we'd want a huge battle gotten the
Speaker 11: noose off from around his neck at least for a
Speaker 11: little while.
Speaker 2: Even if the war was still raging.
Speaker 3: It felt like a victory.
Speaker 11: I drove back to the cemetery. There was something I
Speaker 11: needed to do. I should have done it when I
Speaker 11: first arrived in Pottsville. I needed to pay a visit
Speaker 11: to someone. Mom and Dad are buried at the top
Speaker 11: of a rolling hill in the middle a plot reserved
Speaker 11: for our family. I took Tyler's package and walked up.
Speaker 11: The plot was overgrown with grass and weeds.
Speaker 3: Laura Solace.
Speaker 11: The letters engrave that my mother's stone were worn away
Speaker 11: from the harsh winters. I sat down beside Mom's gravestone,
Speaker 11: leaned my back against it. I could look out and
Speaker 11: see all of Pottsville. From here, the white steep over
Speaker 11: the first Baptist Church stretching up above the small town,
Speaker 11: clutching its crucifix high in the sky.
Speaker 14: Toward off the devils and the demons.
Speaker 3: Off in the distance.
Speaker 11: I could see where the swirling gray light in storm
Speaker 11: had settled into the valley, where the caves were like
Speaker 11: a vortex lighting in arcs flashing across the sky.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 11: I peeled open the package from Tyler. The first thing
Speaker 11: I found was a handwritten note, Julian, Julian, I've had.
Speaker 14: This thing hidden away all these years.
Speaker 16: But I been here in my house because they're going
Speaker 16: to search the place after they find me. But it
Speaker 16: ain't for them. Almost burned it. But it's not really
Speaker 16: Minded's or either. It's yours. It's your truth, and it's
Speaker 16: your decision about what to do with it.
Speaker 5: No one else.
Speaker 12: This has all the answers you were looking for.
Speaker 3: Good luck, body tie.
Speaker 11: It was a video camera, Sony handycam Mini DV. I
Speaker 11: felt the weight of it in my hands, less than
Speaker 11: a couple pounds, but I could barely lift it. My
Speaker 11: mind was instantly flooded with memories that summer after we
Speaker 11: met Finch, all the videos we made. It was the
Speaker 11: video camera, the one Tyler used to record everything, everything
Speaker 11: that happened in the caves, the night that the Hadley
Speaker 11: brothers died.
Speaker 9: Hey, Jill, congrats, it looks like we could.
Speaker 3: All take a breath.
Speaker 11: I mean, not the doubt come I expected.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 11: I was trying to hold on to hope for Finch,
Speaker 11: but it felt like a losing battle, so I didn't
Speaker 11: expect something to actually go right for a change.
Speaker 9: I guess the universe is full of surprise.
Speaker 5: It's uh huh.
Speaker 17: Well, I have.
Speaker 7: Another one for you.
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, what's that?
Speaker 7: If you are driving? I need you to pull over
Speaker 7: before I can tell you.
Speaker 14: I'm not driving.
Speaker 7: James Bencher just confessed to killing Dincon and Thomas Hadley.
Speaker 3: M uh wait.
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Speaker 8: Off, so as I.
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Speaker 22: On The Manwalk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sawace,
Speaker 22: Eddie Gaftheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Speaker 22: Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Speaker 22: Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Dooley Tappert,
Speaker 22: Scott Poethrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
Speaker 22: Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sallace,
Speaker 22: Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovitch as Thomas Hadley,
Speaker 22: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body, Walterroff as Jimmy Fincher,
Speaker 22: Brian McClure as Ian Speinks, Larry Clark as Bobby Hadley,
Speaker 22: Paydon Fallis as ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as William Fowler,
Speaker 22: Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy as The Darkness,
Speaker 22: with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill, Edward Howard,
Speaker 22: Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, Bailey Hineman,
Speaker 22: David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by Connell Byrne
Speaker 22: and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and
Speaker 22: Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside, written produced
Speaker 22: and performed by Lear Lynn. Our executive producers are Matt Frederick,
Speaker 22: Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney de Frees. Our executive
Speaker 22: producers at Blumhouse Television are g Jremy Gold, Chris Dickey,
Speaker 22: and Noah Feinberg. Produced by Dan Bush, music by Ben Lovett.
Speaker 22: Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez. This episode features the song
Speaker 22: darln Corey, performed by Helena Rose, Edited by Dan Bush
Speaker 22: Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
Speaker 22: Benjamin Balcom, Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
Speaker 22: and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
Speaker 22: in Los Angeles, sound Byte Studio in Atlanta, and Echo
Speaker 22: Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Speaker 22: Our dialect coach is Linda the Sesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
Speaker 22: second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.
Speaker 22: Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
Speaker 22: Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The Manowak Caves
Speaker 22: is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television and Psycopia Pictures.